Which "races" do you get along best with?

[owly]

People who live in more multi-ethnic countries, like the United States, will have an easier time answering.

What is your race/ethnicity?
What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc?
What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most?
Any other thoughts, etc.

I'm a mestizo. I was born in the U.S. and currently live here. Generally, people aren't nice to me, and neither am I to them (I'm usually polite though). I don't get out of the house much, mostly for college and work.

Overwhelmingly, black people are the nicest to me. In general, whites, middle easterners, Asians, and yes, mestizos/Latin Americans look down on me the most. I don't dislike any particular group of people - I dislike people in general.

What are your experiences?

[Nostalgia]

race/ethnicity has no bearing on how well or badly I get along with anyone, it is their culture background that matters to me. At this moment, I prefer western culture, because I live in a western culture society. If I somehow end up moving to a different culture then I will adapt accordingly.

[JC22]

I only get along with....everybody.

I was raised with everybody.

[peppersasen]

I'm Asian and I get along best with whoever isn't racist/ignorant.

I get along least with overly pathetic patriotic people and those who are not accustomed to living/working in more diverse environments (not to generalize those from homogeneous countries, but it's the truth, I can't even get along with those types even online, sometimes if they're from developed countries, they can be pretty insensitive/inconsiderate to the rest of the less developed world). But these types of people can be from every race/country.

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Oh and I hate anti-immigration folks as much as I hate immigrants who refuse to assimilate. Both are asshole-ish in their own ways... But the biggest asshole is still the native who won't give the immigrant who makes an effort a chance. Even worst are the types from countries that earn money from other countries/are dependant to those countries, take what they need, exploit what they can, and then when treat those people like second class citizens.

[Purgatid]

What is your race/ethnicity?

Caucasian.

What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc?

All I have met.

What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most?

I neither like nor dislike anyone in specific.

What are your experiences?

That race doesn't factor in, class does. My boss is Iranian, I've got friends all over the racial spectra (from caucasian, to african, to east asian, to west asian, to south american, etc) that goes for exes too. I don't find that race has any sort of impact on how people act, we all want basically the same things in life - happiness. People strive for that in different ways, but the end goal is the same, and if you discuss enough with people, you'll find that what seperates us is far less than what we have in common.

[Samoan Corleone]

I like the 100 metre race best, because it's quick and to the point. Anything longer than 800 metres is boring. It's not racism if it's the truth.

[PRBori]

Race is a non-issue for me. I get along fine with everyone regardless of their race; however, personality and behavior can throw me away from anyone anytime of the day. Those sometimes may be higher in some races than other, but it is because of the cultural differences and/or upbringing of the individuals and not the race per se. :(

[zibber]

Assholes come in all shapes and sizes, literally and figuratively.

[warweasel]

I'm not much of a people person... that being said, race/ethnicity/whatever don't factor into anything. I can get along with anyone who isn't an ignorant ass.

[The Dan Keizer]

I am a tall white guy. I get along well with everybody, except I am prejudiced against Italians (Kind of growing out of this one but it's still there.)

I find the people that tend to hate me the most are: Short angry guys (presumably jealous of my height), "alpha male lesbians", and coffee house pseudointellectuals.

Alpha male lesbians are basically lesbians that have short angry guy syndrome, so that's easily explained.

The "coffee house pseudointellectuals" I think didn't care for me because I tend to act boorish when I am out and my speech pattern can get pretty ghetto. Most of my better friends are smart and fairly intellectual and had other friends of theirs that were the same way. I think of myself as being pretty smart and fairly intelligent depending on the topic. But I don't go out of my way to give people that impression.

So people that meet me usually assume I am a dumbass until they get to know me better, which they usually don't.

[LadySpock]

What is your race/ethnicity?
My race is HUMAN.
My ethnicity is Black (Caribbean)

What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc?
I get along with people based on their behavior.

What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most?
I dislike very few people. Some people's behavior is what I dislike. Most behaviors are based on socio-economic class, gender, and temperment.

[holdyourhead]

I want sunitaishot to post here.

[iWonder]

I'll be honest I get a long best with those who are from the same culture as I am. That being said I can get along perfectly fine with anyone else it's just down to a person by person basis, but it's just an observation I've made.

[darniem]

I'm an American living in the USA of White Euro-stock.

I can (and do) get along with all races well. I have had the most joy interacting with my fellow honkys, Africans (that are actually from Africa), and Latinos. I can get along with Asians well enough but sometimes the extreme difference in culture prevents the desired efficiency of communication to really get along super well. It's amicable, but not overwhelmingly fun. I also enjoy folks from the India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka region.

Knew a couple Persians who were very reserved and "short" until they got to know me and then they were amazing to talk to.

I can get along with Black Americans very well too, but I would say that Black Americans have been the group to be unkind to me the most in my life followed by other White Americans (usually of the Northern variety treating me like crap for no discernable reason). Still, some of my closest childhood friends were Black Americans and White Americans. I guess in the USA you have white trash and black trash, and living in the South it is inevitable that I'd encounter both with unfavorable results.

[Distance]

I get along best with globally minded individuals. The smaller their worlds, the more boring.

[SirJac]

I'm white and while there is no ethnicity I don't get along with, I do seem to socialize easier with asians compared to other ethnic groups. This is probly due to being exposed to them frequently and so I've picked up more of their cultures then I have of other ethnic groups.

[TheDubhlainn]

I get along best with globally minded individuals. The smaller their worlds, the more boring.

This is why I like you Distance. :D


I don't want to say that this is an inherently racist-outing question....but it seems like it.


Distance's answer = my answer.

[24601]

I'm a white girl, and race doesn't usually figure into getting along with someone. I find a lot of people who grew up in certain cultures are kind of fun to be around - I love being around more relaxed people, and that can be culturally based.

[JYFly]

What is your race/ethnicity? mixed Black/White/Native American; people will see me as an "African American".

What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc? I don't get along with any race more than any other. I can't relate any more to a random black person than I can to a random white one. I'm treated well more by whites; blacks are more likely to randomly insult or try to provoke me when they pass by me on the street.

What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most? I dislike blacks on average more often than other races because they're more likely to insult me.

Any other thoughts, etc. Average does not make the individual, correlation != causation, etc.

[mindvirus]

I get a long well with the races that are around me... can't get along with any race I haven't interacted with... ;)

[sircockburn]

I get along with almost anyone - white, black, brown, yellow, red, green.

But let's be realistic. For myself, and I bet for most others here, there are tendencies of inner circles that don't reflect the proportions in the immediate environment.

I seem to end up dating Korean guys, for some reason. 3 of the 5 guys I've been in LTRs with were Korean. :suspicious:

Probably half of my friends are Asians in general. Don't ask me why...that's just how it turned out.

I have plenty of white friends, some latino friends, but very few black friends.

My observations may be wrong, but to me it seems like most black people prefer to socialize only with other black people.

[WillBrazil]

I get along with people based on their behavior.


Race is irrelevant for me. I don't like or dislike someone based on their race.

[Analyze]

I get along pretty well with protoss and terran, but I don't really like zerg.

[anticlimatic]

Yay, a chance for everyone to sound off on how politically correct and totally-non-racist they are!

I'm white as bread, but tend to click with mexicans easiest. I think it's the whole catholic-culture work-ethic thing. I like the laid back seriousness of the black people I know, but they can sometimes be a bit too laid back for me. One can only slouch so far back in their chair for so long. Native americans have good senses of humor, which I appreciate. Russians also make me laugh, but usually they're not trying to. And about the only race I've never clicked with was asians...which I always thought was a shame. Love their culture. Fellow white people, meh...what can I say.

[ModernLit]

well, it wouldn't be the human race...

[Zombicide]

I get along with the human race worst of all ... thus making this difficult but uh the nerd would be the one I get along best with.

[scorpiomover]

People who live in more multi-ethnic countries, like the United States, will have an easier time answering.Good, because I am from the UK. I recently read that here, about 25% of the babies born this year, will be from mothers who weren't born here. Does that qualify?

What is your race/ethnicity? Mixed Caucasian-North African / Jewish.

What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc? I get on pretty much the same with everyone, irrespective of race, or culture. Actually, I find that the more different they are from me, the more they want to understand my race and my culture, and the more they value both.

What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most? I only have a problem with snobs who think they are better than me in every way, and only deign to talk to me, so to give them an opportunity to tell me how I should be more like them. They are even more of a problem for me, when they come from my own race and my own culture, than if they come from a different race or culture.

What are your experiences? Good and bad treatment, from every race and every culture. But I got the best treatment and the worst treatment, from people of my own race and culture.

[sunitaishot]

I find I have most affinity/respect for Indian people (from India not native American). Why this is, I don't why. I don't like people from Africa though, I don't know why.

[peppersasen]

Yay, a chance for everyone to sound off on how politically correct and totally-non-racist they are!

no offense, because i really don't enjoy telling you this, but you sound rather inexperienced (espcially in terms of dealing with individuals from other cultures, although i can't tell how experienced you are with them as groups). you sound like someone who tends to jump to conclusions (accusing other members of attempting to appear non-racist and PC was actually pretty presumptuous as well). you sound like one of those people who's only known ONE Singaporean and decides that ALL Singaporeans are like the one Singaporean you've met. :blank:

first of all, i think many of the users who posted (myself included) are not trying to be PC. although i can't blame you if you're unable to distinguish "diplomatic speech" and "trying to PC" (so fair enough, you probably just didn't know better). i was trained to speak like that, my family members speak like like (if you knew enough about Asian culture, you would have been familiar the indirect communication style in many Asian countries), i was taught to speak like that in charm school (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (although i'm also trained in Western direct communication, since it's trendy right now), and when you grew up wanting a career in international relations, you pick it up from your teachers, professionals you get to meet with, and public figures. we probably don't share the same life experiences/goals, so i can understand (not every line of work requires students to practice it).

second of all, i'm sure some people would be able to identify which cultural groups (not individuals of certain cultures) i was refering to in my post above. sure, it's not as obvious as what i said here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), for instance. but i wasn't pretending i wasn't a fan of certain cultural groups, i just wasn't naming names. i'm not very good at diplomatic speech (yet), but i was just trained to be cautious in my speech at home, sometimes it just happens to be that i speak like that at random moments too. my late grampa was very good at that, he was a very eloquent speaker.

third: i think the members here who gave open-ended anwsers were actually the ones who answered most accurately. you can be in a dorm and there can be 5 Americans, 7 Brits, 3 Koreans, 2 Vietnamese girls, and a Finnish girl. when two of the Vietnamese girls have a fight over something (say one girl's irresponsible with the cooklery and the other one is anal), the dorm will take sides. and on the responsible girl's side, you can have 3 Americans, 3 Brits, 2 Koreans, and the Finnish girl. While 2 of the Americans will be complete bitches, 4 of the Brits are assholes, and 1 Korean will be a douche. and that's what real life is like with individuals from different cultures. many of the users here, i think, are already aware of this reality when it comes to individuals (not as ethic groups). but again, i understand not everyone gets to travel/have international experiences, so i can't blame you (i thought i'd just share that with you).

about indirect communication, if you're interested (well, since you mentioned you like Asian culture): link (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), link (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), and link (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

---------- Post added 07-12-2012 at 02:13 PM ----------

that said, when it comes to ethnic groups within Asian countries, i really like to be in the know! OMG. it's actually serioulsy politically incorrect to bring up ethnic groups within the country i currently live in (you know, the Asian equivalents of Tutsis and Hutus, that kind of thing), and for the longest time, i looked away from such matters, because i found them insignificant and petty. but, boy, was i wrong. it mattered a whole lot.

learning the stereotypes (!)--as horrible as that may sound, was very helpful for me--suddenly everything made sense (i even figured out why my friend was treating me so badly (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)). the thing is, with these ethnic groups, they all have their own cultures (and so each had different upbringings, some parents of some cultures will literally bring up their daughters to be self-entitled and justify their women divorcing their husbands during hardships (for the reason that he "can't provide for his family"), while some ethnic groups will emphasis etiquette and modesty and train their daughters to stay by their husbands' sides during the storm).

it's fascinating to learn as an outsider, but as someone directly involved, it can be very helpful. i try not to stereotype (because it's not fair). i'm in so much peace now that i know my friend didn't treat badly because she thought i was a pushover, but rather because her culture taught her to be that way. and also, i've stopped trying to "teach" her manners (not "etiquette", but i was trying to teach her to be more considerate and give her a lesson about reciprocity) because now i know she's impossible to change because the values she's taught at home are just too different. that kind of knowledge enabled me to 'let go' and gain some closure.

[deconspire]

I am white, have always gotten along with black dudes the best. You white people are LAME unless ya got soul.

Trying to think of any races I don't get along well with. :thinking: Ahhh...Colombians. Especially Colombian women.

*edit*
Well, ok, Colombian is more an ethnicity, but whatever. White people it is then.

[Tactical Panda]

For me?

None.

[SeverusSin]

I HATE people. *Folds arms and refuses to play*

[LBD]

Hmmm... personally I find that there isn't a "black" "white" etc. personality. What I do find is that some ethnic groups share traits - sometimes more based on socioeconomic status, but sometimes based on different cultural norms.

In general, I find the "ethnic groups" I have the hardest time with are the ones that I have little personal contact with, who are frequently in the media in a negative light.

So, living in Canada, the group that is most disparaged (both verbally, and economically) are natives. I actually find that this makes things difficult for me. Most natives here live on reservations, which means that I personally have little contact with "them" (love that word), and the little contact that I have is often uncomfortable - because, either I don't want to offend, or because the person is actually homeless (many off reservation natives don't live there because they were kicked off)... So, I would say that general media does impact my perception and I try very hard to acknowledge this. I find Muslims (notably not a race or ethnic group...) are also currently in the media, however, I don't find the impact of the media so strong in that respect because, well, I come into contact with real life examples every day that are counter the media image.

However, I do find extremely religious people of any religious affiliation a bit difficult to tolerate. I generally minimize contact on my own.

Frankly, in any person that I regularly have contact with, factors that I find make a person intolerable are

1. Hygiene issues. If you farmers blow, I find you gross, and minimize contact. However, if you don't know how to use the toilet because you came from a country that didn't have one, I make allowances, and am more likely to be helpful. I find my immigrant friends often ask me questions about things that other people will not or cannot answer directly...

2. If you clearly don't like me, I am not going to try and change your mind. For some people, culture of origin is implicated in not liking me...

3. If you are regularly rude or unkind to people, I minimize contact. If I feel that this is based on you not knowing cultural norms rather than a general "wanna piss people off attitude" I may give you more chances. I do find that people new to a country make certain kinds of mistakes that come of as rude or unkind (standing too close or too far is an easy example that comes to mind...)

4. If you come across as someone who manipulates people for their own purposes, I pretty much cut off contact.

So, going by my above answer, being an immigrant is more likely to get you a free pass with me... I assume there is a period of adjustment and make allowances for it. I have actually been an immigrant in another country - I know the adjustment is huge.

[vampyroteuthis]

So, going by my above answer, being an immigrant is more likely to get you a free pass with me... I assume there is a period of adjustment and make allowances for it. I have actually been an immigrant in another country - I know the adjustment is huge.
That's very magnanimouscondescending of you.

[Lucrezia Borgia]

race/ethnicity has no bearing on how well or badly I get along with anyone, it is their culture background that matters to me. At this moment, I prefer western culture, because I live in a western culture society. If I somehow end up moving to a different culture then I will adapt accordingly.

^^Very well said. I would only add that, personally, I stay away from religious fanatics of all stripes. They are the only persons that I find really frightening and ignorant.

[deconspire]

Hmmm... personally I find that there isn't a "black" "white" etc. personality."Everyone bleeds red" is the biggest contributor toward continued racism in amerikkka.

[LBD]

That's very magnanimouscondescending of you.

Really? Have you been an immigrant? Do you expect that everyone "just knows" societal norms that they didn't grow up in?

[Oros Ull]

Meh I don’t really care. If you’re nice I will be your friend. If you’re mean then I will shank you.

You’re all just monkeys to me and my superior alien race… And I enjoy passing out bananas.

[vampyroteuthis]

Really? Have you been an immigrant? Do you expect that everyone "just knows" societal norms that they didn't grow up in?

I am an immigrant three times over and born to immigrant parents. Couldn't tell you where I am not foreign. Home is wherever I am provided I'm motivated enough to make the bed.

What really bothers me about this
So, going by my above answer, being an immigrant is more likely to get you a free pass with me... I assume there is a period of adjustment and make allowances for it. I have actually been an immigrant in another country - I know the adjustment is huge.
is the idea that we're supposed to court approval from those who are so-called "native" to the countries to which we emigrate. "Make allowances". "Free pass". Benevolence isn't entailed in questions of mutual adjustment, coexistence, desirable practices and how to negotiate them, etc.

[John01]

Growing up in a major city, I had friends of probably every race I can think of. I don't like or dislike any race more than another.

[Midhiel]

I don't get along with any ethnicity more than the others...but there is a definite separation in my own life. Growing up, I was always placed into smaller classes of gifted kids, and our group never mingled much with the others at school, just because we were always together (classes, lunch times, extracurriculars, etc.). The vast majority of the people in this group were white.

I really don't like or dislike anyone based on their race or ethnicity, but I would be lying if I said that I'm not naturally more comfortable with the group I've grown up in. I wouldn't say I'm prejudiced - I just feel a bit out of my depth with other cultures. I'm moving to a uni with a smaller percentage of white Americans, though, so that will probably change soon. :)

[wolfyx]

What is your race/ethnicity? Mixed Caucasian/North African

What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc?
I had friendships and relationships with almost every possible human "race". At the moment, for geographic reasons, most of my friends are Asians.

What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most?
I have a strong repulsion towards self-righteous racist bigots of any race.

Other thoughts?
Without catastrophe, "races" will disappear in a couple hundreds years because in a globalized world people can travel anywhere and marry anyone.

[Axel]

I don't really see any difference between the races apart from aesthetics. I get along equally well with people regardless of where they are from. Sometimes there can be language barriers but I'm usually able to make myself understood anyway, it just takes a little patience and effort from both sides.

[Fecal McAngry]

No need to use quotation marks when referring to race.

I tend to get along most easily with highly intelligent, civilized people. The skew, therefore, is toward East Asians and whites, esp. Ashkenazi Jews (the brightest ethnic group; mean IQ of 112–115).

[peter]

Which "races" do you get along best with?



Pygmies

[Apricots]

I am fascinated by people, especially people who were born or have lived in places far from my home. I love different cultures, I love diversity in thought, and sometimes I even forget that I'm supposed to prejudge people based on their haplogroup.

Really, the only people that I will burn-stare into the ground are those who needlessly harm others for their own pleasure or self-interest.

[reginoid]

I get along with practically everyone. but sometimes there are a bunch of jerkoffs that are anything but the human race.

[LBD]

I am an immigrant three times over and born to immigrant parents. Couldn't tell you where I am not foreign. Home is wherever I am provided I'm motivated enough to make the bed.

What really bothers me about this

is the idea that we're supposed to court approval from those who are so-called "native" to the countries to which we emigrate. "Make allowances". "Free pass". Benevolence isn't entailed in questions of mutual adjustment, coexistence, desirable practices and how to negotiate them, etc.

Hmmmm... well, don't worry, we probably wouldn't be friends.

Regarding free passes, for example, I have been in situations where people didn't know how to use the toilet and went to the bathroom in the garbage can. This wasn't an issue of "an immigrant three times over" and the person didn't need to be shunned. This was someone fresh to Canada who had lived a pretty different life and was adjusting to a lot. They needed someone to take the time and assist them. If someone who had been using the toilet all the time did the same I would think mental illness, not lack of knowledge.

Some people do require free passes - I certainly did when I was an immigrant. I don't at all think that it is condescending (I kind of assume that most people want to know about basic hygiene, and if they don't, well, that is different)... In fact, it is unrealistic to assume everyone has the same basic hygiene. Another factor that comes into play is standing too close. Another woman who was from Spain was getting an a lot of trouble because men kept thinking she was hitting on them - when she wasn't. Part of the issue was how close she was standing to them... Funnily enough her brother was being accused of harassing women at the office for the same offense. The norm in Canada is to stand further apart - this was a big realization for the two of them, and it actually made their lives easier to have someone overtly tell them. Immigrant services actually helped them both out on that one... but he definitely needed a free pass there - he wasn't hovering or glowering over women, he was simply standing where in Spain it was normal for him to stand - whereas in Canada standing too close is a sexually overt gesture - and Canadians stand quite far apart here, generally. Actually, it helped in other ways, too, because Canadians came off as aloof and hostile to them because of this...

[wolfyx]

no offense, because i really don't enjoy telling you this, but you sound rather inexperienced (espcially in terms of dealing with individuals from other cultures, although i can't tell how experienced you are with them as groups). you sound like someone who tends to jump to conclusions (accusing other members of attempting to appear non-racist and PC was actually pretty presumptuous as well). you sound like one of those people who's only known ONE Singaporean and decides that ALL Singaporeans are like the one Singaporean you've met. :blank:

Stereotyping is the easy way out for those with a low EQ. For some people it can be stressful to deal with strangers. Especially if the stranger also looks completely different from you.

Emotionally developed people will start to analyze the stranger as a unique person, try to really understand his thoughts and emotions. But most people are unable to do this.

Most people will need "constants" in their interactions and the "stereotypes" are the only things that they can rely on, even if they may know that the stereotypes are not logically coherent.


first of all, i think many of the users who posted (myself included) are not trying to be PC. although i can't blame you if you're unable to distinguish "diplomatic speech" and "trying to PC" (so fair enough, you probably just didn't know better). i was trained to speak like that, my family members speak like like (if you knew enough about Asian culture, you would have been familiar the indirect communication style in many Asian countries), i was taught to speak like that in charm school (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (although i'm also trained in Western direct communication, since it's trendy right now), and when you grew up wanting a career in international relations, you pick it up from your teachers, professionals you get to meet with, and public figures. we probably don't share the same life experiences/goals, so i can understand (not every line of work requires students to practice it).

I am familiar with the Asian indirect communication because I was put in many situations where I had to use this type of communication. But I tend to read between the lines and to ignore the form in which the message was transmitted anyway.


second of all, i'm sure some people would be able to identify which cultural groups (not individuals of certain cultures) i was refering to in my post above. sure, it's not as obvious as what i said here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), for instance. but i wasn't pretending i wasn't a fan of certain cultural groups, i just wasn't naming names. i'm not very good at diplomatic speech (yet), but i was just trained to be cautious in my speech at home, sometimes it just happens to be that i speak like that at random moments too. my late grampa was very good at that, he was a very eloquent speaker.).

In your posts you were simply referring to "mental-midgets". Imbecility is irrespective of race. I have met plenty of Asians that are just as stupid and as racist as the worst "stereotypical rednecks".


third: i think the members here who gave open-ended anwsers were actually the ones who answered most accurately. you can be in a dorm and there can be 5 Americans, 7 Brits, 3 Koreans, 2 Vietnamese girls, and a Finnish girl. when two of the Vietnamese girls have a fight over something (say one girl's irresponsible with the cooklery and the other one is anal), the dorm will take sides. and on the responsible girl's side, you can have 3 Americans, 3 Brits, 2 Koreans, and the Finnish girl. While 2 of the Americans will be complete bitches, 4 of the Brits are assholes, and 1 Korean will be a douche. and that's what real life is like with individuals from different cultures. many of the users here, i think, are already aware of this reality when it comes to individuals (not as ethic groups). but again, i understand not everyone gets to travel/have international experiences, so i can't blame you (i thought i'd just share that with you).

I also have the "international dorm" experience. I know that people from the same cultural group tend to stick together and have a similar opinion. This, I think, is again a matter of maturity. Immature individuals will seek group reinforcement from those "like them". Now I have grown out of this and many times I have taken sides with the Asian colleagues against the opinion of the "laowai". I no longer need the group reinforcement and I can avoid "ethnic" bias in my judgments.

[peppersasen]

In your posts you were simply referring to "mental-midgets". Imbecility is irrespective of race.
no, i was not. in the second part (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (the bit i added later on), i was referring to patterns i've noticed in specific groups in specific countries (and also touched upon certain decisions and policies). or were you referring to my posts on this thread (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)? i was referring to a specific country in those ones as well.
I have met plenty of Asians that are just as stupid and as racist as the worst "stereotypical rednecks".
unfortunately i know for a fact they can be even worst (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (read the bit about my snarky friends). and, yes. it can be hard to face when it's coming from your "own". i live among those kinds of people (in the country i currently live in). i went to school with some. and i've recently decided to cut ties with some of them because as i grew older, i began get learn what i really want in life, and... well, they just couldn't get it. plus, some of them were just brought up in certain ways (in very different ways from my upbringing) and we could just never get along.
Now I have grown out of this and many times I have taken sides with the Asian colleagues against the opinion of the "laowai".
also, i believe "racial tension in office politics" is an entirely different animal. it has less to do with racial/ethnic stereotyping and more to do with political interests, especially when the tensions revolve around "sense of ownership" (in organizations like UNDP, conflicts like this can get PRET-TY intense (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)). you know, as opposed to good old prejudice.

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i literally have a friend who has a thing for people of Chinese-descent (in Southeast Asia, they're known as business people (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), the business owners and tycoons). in many parts of SEA (where people of Chinese-decent are not already the majority, like in Singapore), they (as a group) are synonymous with wealth. anyway, my non-Chinese friend (brought up under the ethnic culture i mentioned above, the one where women are brought up to believe that men exist to provide for them), she told me her mother once commented on her penchant for the Chinese, "those Chinese, do always look 'clean', don't they? even when they're working in their [smaller, shabby] shops, you can still tell they're rich because they just look rich" and the same friend (who hasn't worked a single job since she graduated university in 2007, from a private university known for being the go-to school for children of the elite--and i only mention this because where i am now, people are extremely "honest" about wanting wealthy sons-in-laws for their daughters (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)) also mentioned how her mother suggested she try to find a job in a certain line of work where she'd "get paid a lot of money for doing very little work and get away with leaving before 17:00". i think my parents would have slapped me across the face if i implied anything her mother told her! LOL. actually, when i mentioned it to my mother, her jaw dropped (she literally sacrilège-gasped in shock). LMAO. everything about her used to bewilder me (like how freaking rude she would be to service people, whereas i have always been taught to be ESPECIALLY considerate/nice to the less fortunate, despite our ethic groups' reputation for freakishly rigid classism). as soon as i gained more understanding about her culture, it all began to make sense. has it turned me into an apologist? nope. i understand where she's coming from, but i still won't let her advantage of me. maybe i'm [a little] less resentful about the way she treats me, maybe i'm not. i'm not sure. i do socialize with her less now (but mostly because she's changed as a person in the past 3-ish years, and i dislike the person she's become as an adult). it's just nice to know, i guess...

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i think, though, in general humans of every race/ethnicity/culture all want the same thing. except, they manifest in different ways, and sometimes the manifestations come off as more offensive than the underlying goal/objective itself (which is often a mutual one). like i said: many (if not most) Asian parents will be very honest about wanting a well-to-do son-in-law to take good care of their daughter (i mean, there's very little pretense about it among parents here). except in my friend's culture, you would want a son-in-law with cold hard cash (as in digits in his bank account and assets) whereas my culture focuses on: being well-bred/educated, coming from a good family, and being driven (as it's seen as an indicator of potential as a good spouse for your daughter, who you sheltered and curfewed). now, my parents would consider their cold hard cash approach/standard awfully crass. but in the end of the day, both my parents and my friend's parents want the same thing, don't they?

[krisl]

I get along with most people, regardless of race.

[Lolwut]

animals

[deconspire]

Hmmm... personally I find that there isn't a "black" "white" etc. personality.
Please, elaborate. Would love to debate this.

In general, I find the "ethnic groups" I have the hardest time with are the ones that I have little personal contact with, who are frequently in the media in a negative light.
And how can you have a hard time with them when you have no contact with them?

So, I would say that general media does impact my perception and I try very hard to acknowledge this.
...and this just answered my question. Fucking sad, but at least you acknowledge your ignorance in the matter. (or actually, perhaps arrogance since you understand but yet still have to try so hard to realize that the media influences what you think about other people? But at least you're honest.)

However, if you don't know how to use the toilet because you came from a country that didn't have one, I make allowances, and am more likely to be helpful. I find my immigrant friends often ask me questions about things that other people will not or cannot answer directly...
How big of you. I guess you're just making a point about how you make allowances for the heathens, but not knowing how to use a toilet is extremely unimportant in the grand scheme of immigration issues and having acceptance of a different culture. Glad you are there to straighten them out.

...being an immigrant is more likely to get you a free pass with me... I assume there is a period of adjustment and make allowances for it. I have actually been an immigrant in another country - I know the adjustment is huge.
So basically, you feel sorry for them because they are different? And what is this free pass you talk of? Please elaborate on that as well.

[Shahira]

I don't get along with any "race". I don't think like; "Okay, this person is asian. Yep, I definitely get along with asians more." That's just silly. I get along with different people. I don't put emphasis on what background someone comes from. Only whether I got similar interests with others and just generally get along with them. It's silly and completely ridiculous to make judgements on a person's character based on their title, class, gender or ethnicity.

[LBD]

Please, elaborate. Would love to debate this.

"White" encompasses all white people on the planet -"Black" encompasses all black people on the planet. When I said that ethnicity was more important, I meant it. I find Americans quite different from Hungarians, and Ethiopians quite different from Black Sudanese. There are of course very different individual differences between people of course, but influence of culture (which often shows more in ethnicities which live in particular cultures, rather than race, which is across culture), is an important aspect of one's personality, for lack of a better term.


And how can you have a hard time with them when you have no contact with them?

I didn't say "no contact" I said "minimal contact." I have met several Native Canadians, but not nearly as much as I would if there were no reservations. Contact is limited.

...and this just answered my question. Fucking sad, but at least you acknowledge your ignorance in the matter. (or actually, perhaps arrogance since you understand but yet still have to try so hard to realize that the media influences what you think about other people? But at least you're honest.)

I would challenge anyone who says general media does not influence their opinion. If not general media, then your general culture that you surround yourself with.


How big of you. I guess you're just making a point about how you make allowances for the heathens, but not knowing how to use a toilet is extremely unimportant in the grand scheme of immigration issues and having acceptance of a different culture. Glad you are there to straighten them out.

I did elaborate in a later post. It was an example I used, but there are many. Toilet issues are actually quite isolating - whether or not you think it is minor, it is a factor in isolation. That does make a new immigrants life very hard, because there are already so many isolating factors. I am not there "to straighten them out" in fact, I pretty much just realize that things are different, ask questions, sometimes and just listen sometimes. I know of organizations that help, and I share this information. I have also been asked to go down and help with government officials, and I have done that. When I look at the circle of people that I know - it is pretty diverse.

So basically, you feel sorry for them because they are different? And what is this free pass you talk of? Please elaborate on that as well.

Nope, I don't "feel sorry" - I identify. There is a difference. I lived in another country, where I had to learn the language, and the culture was very different. I FELT firsthand how difficult it can be to make inroads - and how mentally exhausting it can be to face that every day all day. In the end, I returned to Canada. I actually have a lot of respect for people who do that and keep at it (and some people are doing it for refugee reasons, but some people are doing it for the exact reasons I was - simply to have a better life) I also elaborated on a "free pass" in a later post.

[deconspire]

"White" encompasses all white people on the planet -"Black" encompasses all black people on the planet. When I said that ethnicity was more important, I meant it. I find Americans quite different from Hungarians, and Ethiopians quite different from Black Sudanese. There are of course very different individual differences between people of course, but influence of culture (which often shows more in ethnicities which live in particular cultures, rather than race, which is across culture), is an important aspect of one's personality, for lack of a better term.You seem to have just argued my point for me...there are distinct differences between the personalities of black and white people (I take this as a larger point of all races being the same) because they are influenced by the particular cultures they grow up in. My comment, "Everyone bleeds red" is the biggest contributor toward continued racism directly refers to the fact that we are taught to view everyone the same, when in fact, we should be understanding and celebrating of our differences. When you are white, and you are taught that black people are exactly like you, you will then attach negative stigmas to the behaviors and mores they have that are different from you.

I would challenge anyone who says general media does not influence their opinion. If not general media, then your general culture that you surround yourself with.
Really not provable either way, so I see no point in discussing it. I disagree. Critical thinking and personal experience trump what other people say, and there are some who actualize that attitude. But feel free to challenge me on it.

I pretty much just realize that things are different, ask questions, sometimes and just listen sometimes. I know of organizations that help, and I share this information. I have also been asked to go down and help with government officials, and I have done that. When I look at the circle of people that I know - it is pretty diverse.
Very cool. I do a lot of work with Mayan immigration myself, simply listening is one of the most accepting actions one can take.

I also elaborated on a "free pass" in a later post.
You did not, you just gave loose examples such as the shitting in a trash can bit. "Free pass" is condescending because it insinuates that immigrant behavior/culture is intolerable in the first place (otherwise there would be no "free pass" necessary).

But maybe you're just coming across to me the wrong way and I am misunderstanding your writing. After your elaboration you seem like perhaps less of a "do as I do" type than I originally assumed.

[LBD]

Fine - "free pass" for me means things like -

If I find you creepy and can't put my finger on it and we share a cultural background, I take that feeling a little more seriously. If we don't, I am aware that factors like how close you stand, whether you not your head up to down rather than down to up impact my perception. That I am much MORE likely to find an "immigrant's" body language sending me negative signals, so I have to really pay attention to what is going on. I do tend to generally ask myself "why does this person creep me out" - but our brains are hardwired to be somewhat xenophobic... So, hence the "free pass." With a person of a shared cultural background, I am much more likely to determine that antisocial actions are purposeful. With an immigrant, especially a new immigrant, I know that there are a variety of social and situational hurdles - so the "free pass" is that I will wait a lot longer to see and examine more if "antisocial" behaviours are intended that way, or are just due to cultural differences...

Also, I don't think that I am arguing your point on the races - because, well, there are 5 or 6 races - yet a myriad of ethnicities... Ethnicity I would agree with, but, race, well that is just too broad. A black person from the US, living in the US is VASTLY different from a black person from Ethiopia living in Ethiopia... Different enough to say that black has nothing to do with it... and the US and Ethiopia have EVERYTHING to do with it.

[deconspire]

Fine - "free pass" for me means things like -

If I find you creepy and can't put my finger on it and we share a cultural background, I take that feeling a little more seriously. If we don't, I am aware that factors like how close you stand, whether you not your head up to down rather than down to up impact my perception. That I am much MORE likely to find an "immigrant's" body language sending me negative signals, so I have to really pay attention to what is going on. I do tend to generally ask myself "why does this person creep me out" - but our brains are hardwired to be somewhat xenophobic... So, hence the "free pass." With a person of a shared cultural background, I am much more likely to determine that antisocial actions are purposeful. With an immigrant, especially a new immigrant, I know that there are a variety of social and situational hurdles - so the "free pass" is that I will wait a lot longer to see and examine more if "antisocial" behaviours are intended that way, or are just due to cultural differences...

Thank you for clarifying that for me.

[Moxiie]

So, living in Canada, the group that is most disparaged (both verbally, and economically) are natives. I actually find that this makes things difficult for me. Most natives here live on reservations, which means that I personally have little contact with "them" (love that word), and the little contact that I have is often uncomfortable - because, either I don't want to offend, or because the person is actually homeless (many off reservation natives don't live there because they were kicked off)... So, I would say that general media does impact my perception and I try very hard to acknowledge this.

Your honesty is appreciated here - I think the first step to dialogue about race is contained in your sentiment. The next step is to establish facts. In the bold above: actually about 60% of all First Nations people live in urban areas in Canada - primarily in 5 cities, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto. What you see in the homeless population represents a very small number of the actual Native population - with the acknowledgment that often we are apt to make sweeping generalizations about a whole race based on our limited exposure to the visible conditions of that race. To some degree we all do that.

The second bold part - the urbanization of First Nation's people is far more complex than "many off reservation natives don't live there because they were kicked off" - most urbanized First Nations people leave for economic reasons. There simply aren't enough jobs on the reserves in Canada. It's actually quite rare for any of us (I am a First Nations person) to be "kicked off" the reserve. LOL. If the term "most" were applied here we'd be talking about 100's of thousands of Natives being kicked off their reserves. Simply isn't true.

However, I do find extremely religious people of any religious affiliation a bit difficult to tolerate. I generally minimize contact on my own.


Completely agreed.

[LBD]

I actually live in Alberta - there is a massively different situation across the country. Of course I am generalizing. Much of it is to do with my personal experience. In my entire life living close to 3 reservations I have actually only met about 5 non homeless native people.

But, when I come across a Native person who is not homeless, I still find a level of anxiety. Usually, if I like the person I am able to overcome this. However, I also realize that this is a catch 22, and that my ability to like the person might be impaired by my anxiety. I really, truly feel that the best way for me to resolve this is to simply meet a lot of native people - but that is easier said than done around here. Non natives are arrested when on reservation land here, so that is also out... So, instead, I keep in mind that the vast amount of stuff I feel initially has more to do with media portrayal and let that be my "grain of salt" - I know I need it here - and I think that is true for the vast majority of Canadians...

[Distance]

I actually live in Alberta - there is a massively different situation across the country. Of course I am generalizing. Much of it is to do with my personal experience. In my entire life living close to 3 reservations I have actually only met about 5 non homeless native people.How can they be homeless if they live on reservations?

[catzmeow]

I don't get along with any "race". I don't think like; "Okay, this person is asian. Yep, I definitely get along with asians more." That's just silly. I get along with different people. I don't put emphasis on what background someone comes from. Only whether I got similar interests with others and just generally get along with them. It's silly and completely ridiculous to make judgements on a person's character based on their title, class, gender or ethnicity.

This. People are individuals; their race has zero impact on whether I want to interact with them or not.

[Distance]

Cylons are really cool people!

[catzmeow]

Cylons are really cool people!

If you can get past their cold hard exterior, that is. Kind of like INTJs, I'd think.

;D

[Distance]

If you can get past their cold hard exterior, that is. Kind of like INTJs, I'd think.

;DPffttt...haters... ;)

[LBD]

How can they be homeless if they live on reservations?

I don't meet the ones on reservations... I meet a fair number of homeless ones living in my city.

[Distance]

I don't meet the ones on reservations... I meet a fair number of homeless ones living in my city.Consider your bias. There are thousands of natives living on reservations and in your town or city. You're judging solely by the homeless. Do you judge all caucasians by the few homeless too?

[LBD]

Have you been reading what I have been writing? I have been saying that a particular group that I have a hard time identifying with is Natives BECAUSE there is such a negative media portrayal AND BECAUSE I meet so very few non homeless ones in my particular city. There really is an issue of segregation with this group because of the reservations - and that limited contact makes things worse. I fully realize that homeless people are not representative of a general group, which is why I specified that I have had very little contact with non homeless Natives.

I am simply trying to answer honestly from my experience and introspection. Maybe I should just have blaze said that I don't judge... because I wonder how many people who "do not judge" actually have a diverse social circle? I find that there are many subtle pressures in our society and in our brain makeup that make xenophobia very easy. I personally realize that I have to challenge these ideas head on, and I work towards doing so.

[Distance]

Have you been reading what I have been writing? I have been saying that a particular group that I have a hard time identifying with is Natives BECAUSE there is such a negative media portrayal AND BECAUSE I meet so very few non homeless ones in my particular city. There really is an issue of segregation with this group because of the reservations - and that limited contact makes things worse. I fully realize that homeless people are not representative of a general group, which is why I specified that I have had very little contact with non homeless Natives.No, I didn't bother reading the rest and are too lazy to do so. My point was to bring your Ti to the forefront, to challenge and engage it in a rational fashion so there's objectivity in perception.

I am simply trying to answer honestly from my experience and introspection. Maybe I should just have blaze said that I don't judge... because I wonder how many people who "do not judge" actually have a diverse social circle? I find that there are many subtle pressures in our society and in our brain makeup that make xenophobia very easy. I personally realize that I have to challenge these ideas head on, and I work towards doing so.Down Fe...

My friends look like the U.N. where there are also some mixed couples.

[deconspire]

Consider your bias. There are thousands of natives living on reservations and in your town or city. You're judging solely by the homeless. Do you judge all caucasians by the few homeless too?

It took me a minute too, but I think she's pretty much saying she understands she has bias and works to overcome it, which is a pretty awesome thing to hear anymore.

[catzmeow]

Have you been reading what I have been writing? I have been saying that a particular group that I have a hard time identifying with is Natives BECAUSE there is such a negative media portrayal AND BECAUSE I meet so very few non homeless ones in my particular city. There really is an issue of segregation with this group because of the reservations - and that limited contact makes things worse. I fully realize that homeless people are not representative of a general group, which is why I specified that I have had very little contact with non homeless Natives.

I am simply trying to answer honestly from my experience and introspection. Maybe I should just have blaze said that I don't judge... because I wonder how many people who "do not judge" actually have a diverse social circle? I find that there are many subtle pressures in our society and in our brain makeup that make xenophobia very easy. I personally realize that I have to challenge these ideas head on, and I work towards doing so.

In a way, I can understand what you're saying. I have a hard time relating to some of the upper middle class white women who live in my suburban neighborhood. Many of them are extremely sheltered, a majority have not worked professionally for a decade or more, and quite a few of them judge people based on stereotypes about economic status or race. A couple are rabid Fox News regurgitators who have no idea what poor people in the U.S. deal with or what it's like for my clients to live in a dangerous neighborhood or attend a substandard school.

It annoys the shit out of me, to be blunt. I prefer not to socialize with with them, if I can help it. Parent meetings at my son's school are painful.

But, that's a small subgroup of all white people, and it's specific to the area in which I live. In other parts of the city, I think it would be less of a problem.

[Moxiie]

It took me a minute too, but I think she's pretty much saying she understands she has bias and works to overcome it, which is a pretty awesome thing to hear anymore.

Agreed here. Acknowledging bias is really just the first step, IMO the first real step is even knowing that you operate with them in the first place - most folks who maintain they are race neutral do so from a Eurocentric viewpoint, not realizing that most non-white folks are pretty keenly aware that they don't fit the "model". I respect the hell out of anyone who has the courage to own their biases and works to overcome them.

caveat: and yes, not all people of color and not all European descendants operate within this principle....but most do. Primarily due to the fact that westernized education system (US/Canada etc.) educates through the myopic lens of Eurocentrism, without even really realizing it. As a First Nations person, I was always surprised at how we were presented in the education system. I can only imagine that other racial groups feel the same way.

I digress though, sorry.

[Distance]

It took me a minute too, but I think she's pretty much saying she understands she has bias and works to overcome it, which is a pretty awesome thing to hear anymore.Don't disagree that it's good to hear people challenging their own biases. Ti users especially since they should be able to apply same logical framework. If they can't, something's wrong with the framework.

[LBD]

Well, if you haven't been reading the thread because you are too lazy, I call FAIL. You can't have half a conversation and expect it to be sensical.

[Antares]

My Race: Asian
Races I get along with: White, Asian, Black
Races I don't get along with: White, Asian, Black

I meet too little of other races to know, but I suspect these are accidental.

[Legatus]

What is your race/ethnicity?
-Caucasian (Germanic)



What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc?
-Caucasians
--Jews (subcategory of Caucasian?)
-Asians (Japanese, Chinese)


What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most?


I wouldn't say I dislike any one race more than another, but I have the most trouble relating to people from the Middle East, and India.

[LadySpock]

What is your race/ethnicity? mixed Black/White/Native American; people will see me as an "African American".

WHY do negroes who look 100% negro claim to me mixed? LOL

[Zsych]

Average white american: okay
Average black american: seem to like me
Italians: seem to respect me
Spanish: not so much
Arabs: not too well
Indians: well
Chinese: well
japanese: okay
Koreans: well
Greeks: well
Persians: not well

... something like that

[JYFly]

WHY do negroes who look 100% negro claim to me mixed? LOLI don't look 100%. I don't see why I should deny my non-African heritage just because the in-thing is to call yourself 100% black even if you look beige.

[Canopus]

I get along best with the Nascar Bristol race!!! nothing like short track racing!

oh wait.... nevermind

[Fecal McAngry]

Race is a non-issue for me. I get along fine with everyone regardless of their race; however, personality and behavior can throw me away from anyone anytime of the day. Those sometimes may be higher in some races than other, but it is because of the cultural differences and/or upbringing of the individuals and not the race per se. :(

Untrue.

And this is one of the most destructive myths of our time--at every level--financial, moral, etc.

However, you do bring up a interesting point. If similar levels of intelligence are of great import for compatibility, a person with an IQ of 80-100 will find many people of all races with whom to share common ground, intellectually. There will certainly be some skewing, yes, but it won't be terribly dramatic.

Double that person's IQ, and the situation changes dramatically.

[wolfyx]

Untrue.

And this is one of the most destructive myths of our time--at every level--financial, moral, etc.

However, you do bring up a interesting point. If similar levels of intelligence are of great import for compatibility, a person with an IQ of 80-100 will find many people of all races with whom to share common ground, intellectually. There will certainly be some skewing, yes, but it won't be terribly dramatic.

Double that person's IQ, and the situation changes dramatically.


How does the situation changes?

[blackLieutenant]

What is your race/ethnicity?
Black.

What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc?
Whites and Blacks.

What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most?
- Asians seems to avoid me, they stick with their race anyway.
- I don't like Arabs (they would end up stealing stuffs in my house)
- Jews, they avoid goyim, I don't see them.
- Muslims, no problem, even if I don't like when some of them pray in the streets and do crazy stuffs like that.
- Blacks, everything's cool, I would understand people being scared of us though.
- Whities are everywhere, it goes from fucking racist to cool people, I can't generalize.

Now we can be gender specific:

- Black men no problem, black women are loud and annoying, always an attitude, nobody knows why.
- Arab men stealing stuffs, lying, cheating, Most Arab women act like Black women, though some of them are normal.
- Asian men or women, mosty INTJs in attitude, I don't hangout with INTJs.
- Jewish women are downright sluts, at least that's what I've experienced. Jewish men I don't know, I don't see any.

Conclusion: I'm not racist and I don't choose friends based on race, but I can see some characteristics and attitude coming every time with certain races, just saying.

[peter]

- Jewish women are downright sluts, at least that's what I've experienced. Jewish men I don't know, I don't see any.



well then try some Jewish men; you might be pleasantly surprised

[blackLieutenant]

well then try some Jewish men; you might be pleasantly surprised
I'm no gay, sorry.

[Fecal McAngry]

How does the situation changes?

At the extreme right end of the bell curve you find almost exclusively whites and Asians--mostly men--with Ashekenzi Jews constituting a very large percentage of the white population.

For example, this is how Harvard admissions looks like with and without racial/ethnic quotas:

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Of course, the average IQ of an admitted Harvard freshman is nowhere near 160.

[MGaius]

I am black. Born and raised in America. My parents are Nigerian immigrants.

My dad is a Pharmacist. My mom is an RN and Professor.

My closets and best friends are white, asian, and middle eastern.

I have no black or hispanic friends.

I think this is due to economic factors. My parents are quite successful and made it a point to live in the "good" part of town. As a result, I was the only black guy in my class until I was a sophomore in high school.

[SilasGTBronte]

What is your race/ethnicity? In the U.S., I am considered Hispanic. In terms of race I am a bit mixed.
What races/ethnicities do you get along the best with/treat you best/etc? There are no racial groups that I prefer since I don't categorize people as groups. I do tend to have more (East/Southeast) Asian-American acquaintances, I guess because they are more calm and not too emotional.
What races/ethnicities do you like/dislike the most? Again, I don't categorize people by groups, just as certain individuals. I just don't like people who are too loud, brash and emotional.

[wolfyx]

At the extreme right end of the bell curve you find almost exclusively whites and Asians--mostly men--with Ashekenzi Jews constituting a very large percentage of the white population.

For example, this is how Harvard admissions looks like with and without racial/ethnic quotas:

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Of course, the average IQ of an admitted Harvard freshman is nowhere near 160.

How about this guy (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and many others like him?

What you are completly missing is the cultural factor. There are cultures, that put a lot on emphasis on the childrens education, that provide a good environement to further develop their natural skills and the network that will allow the ones belonging to the group to climb higher on the social scale. Did you also realize that Asians are disproportionally overrepresented in Ivy League Universities? Do you know the reason behind this? Have you heard of the proverbial "Tiger mothers"? Do you also know of the proverbial "Jewish communitarianism"?

Let me give you an example. I was studying at a very good university in France and I noticed that in my engineering major, from 150 students, about 30 were from Morocco, Cameron, Tunisia and other African countries. They were all very bright students, some top of the class. I also noticed that we only had 2!! students that were "African ethnic minorities" born French. How is this possible? Isn't the fact that the African kids grew up in a "developed" country supposed to make them "smarter"? As a matter of fact No. The immigration in France was very badly handled and most African families ended up in poor high criminality neighborhoods (like some minorities in America). Naturally very smart kids that are born in such an environment will not be encouraged and aided to develop their potential, unlike their Jewish or Asian colleagues, and so you end up with the statistics like the ones you posted.

Let me also remind you that the president of the US is a half black guy that grew up in a "white" culture. I have read his biography and I can tell you that his above average natural intelligence was not a heritage from his white family, but from his genius father, a black Kenyan who overachieved when he was provided with the right circumstances.

I think you are quite shortsighted and obtuse and you make emotional not logical judgments (as a true INFP) because you have been beaten up by the wrong people in your childhood or something. Considering achievement along "racial" lines is a massive oversimplification.

[SirJamesIII]

You get along with people not races. Except if the French were a race, I wouldn't get along with them. Fuckin french

[blackLieutenant]

You get along with people not races. Except if the French were a race, I wouldn't get along with them. Fuckin french
The French are Owesome !

[Bisclavret]

I am biracial.

For me, it comes down to personality, not race. Over the course of my life, I've met people that I've liked and disliked from multitude of ethnic and racial backgrounds.

It's best to avoid generalities, and to instead judge people on an individual basis, based on relevant criteria.

[curiousgeorge01]

I'm Asian and I don't think I get along with any particular race. Closest friend is a white guy. I think it has more to do with values than anything else.

[Distance]

Cannibals can be distressing.

[Booko]

The French are Owesome !

Some Americans confuse Parisians with the French. ;)

I find I have more cultural issues, which I suppose in a way might be looked at as racial. Mostly being female I can have difficulties with men who come from cultures where women are anything but equal, but even that varies according to which culture it is. But since they're living in my culture and not vice versa, it's nothing that can't be dealt with.

[blackLieutenant]

Some Americans confuse Parisians with the French. ;)
I was born in Paris, shit!

I find I have more cultural issues, which I suppose in a way might be looked at as racial. Mostly being female I can have difficulties with men who come from cultures where women are anything but equal,
In what cultures women aren't equal? Do you mean Muslims?

[painfulltruf]

I would suggest those answering this question consider which country that if pressed, they would live in the rest of their lives for the purpose living optimally. Taking in account of course the sensibilities and culture of the population that are most agreeable to their own. Where would you thrive.

[Bisclavret]

Openmindedness trumps everything.

[catzmeow]

WHY do negroes who look 100% negro claim to me mixed? LOL

I don't know...perhaps you should write President Obama a letter and ask him.

[blackLieutenant]

WHY do negroes who look 100% negro claim to me mixed? LOL
Because they are mixed... A pure Negro is a full black African.