Most frustrating MBTI type?

[Guido]

ENFJ by far :-X

I often make dick comments just to tease people about what they think, which can potentially lead to a discussion about whatever idea I was making fun of. Which works great with my T friends, as it's a good conversation opener as well as humorous. From my experience, ENFJs seem to take offense to this, probably due to the NF, as they often consider the comments to be insensitive. The J makes them tell me their F thoughts (pfffft... F thoughts?? is there such a thing?), which are usually in huge contrast to my own. If an argument is getting out of hand, I will try and back down avoid talking about it. (Silently still thinking I'm right of course :D) But if I get forced into a corner, I'm not going to give up my arguments and I'll fight very hard for them. This usually ends up happening, because the 'E' makes them want to talk about it and push to do so.

I'm still friends with these people, as they're still in my social circles, but we now have an understanding where we just don't argue with each other hahaha.

I imagine I'd have a similar problem with an ESFJ, but I don't know any too well. Not that I consider them bad people, but talking to SFJs just seems like a waste of time as theres little productivity that could come from it.

[Jon]

I have the biggest problems with my ESFJs and ESFP friends.

They seem like they're fueled by compliments, whether you mean them or not. They expect praise for everything. I get along with them most of the time, but we always seem to butt heads because they expect something more from me emotionally all the time. If I don't call them, they call me and get angry for not calling. I don't know about you guys, but I personally hate phones. I really can't stand holding something up to my ear just to talk to some disembodied voice, and my ESFJ and ESFP friends seem like they need to make phonecalls like they need air. I've told them how much I dislike calls, but they prefer it to any other means of getting ahold of me. They're easy to devastate with a few well-chosen words, too, and sometimes it's just so tempting. In the end, though, it's never really worth the fallout.

ISFJs can get on my nerves sometimes, but I think it's just because my mother is an ISFJ, and so many of her problems are caused by her need to be helpful.


On the other hand, though, I get along almost perfectly with my ENFP friend, and my NT rational friends!

[Guido]

My sister's an ESFP and we get along very well. Of course she looks up to me since I'm the older brother, so maybe that's why. We have similar problems like the ones you mention, but in the end she's accepting of how I work and respects my logical reasoning. I know exactly what you mean with the phone calls though...

Me: "Hello?"
Sister: "Hey!! What's going on??!!????"
Me: "Uh... what's up"
Sister: "So what are you doing??!?!?!?!!11"
Me: "Talking to you?"
Sister: "LoL~!~!~!~!1111111111"

Although I'm not exactly sure how it's possible to pull "LoL~!~!~!~!1111111111" over a phone, she some how manages it :/

[Firebert]

Ah...cellphones...the eternal umbilical...

[Cato the Younger]

I don't know if any of them really frustrate me. I only recently started paying attention to the types. Emotional people in general annoy me.

I have a friend who is an ESFP. She kind of reminds me of a hippy. She's a very smart girl, but the way she walks around makes me think of someone in a daze. Even the way she talks is like that. She's also slow to get to the point. For example she calls me:

Friend: Hey!!! What are you doing right now?!!
Me: Um...studying?
Friend: Oooo!! That's cool. How's college going for you?
Me: Fine.
Friend: That's great! Classes are going good for me too! I'm really enjoying all my professors. They're all so interesting to listen to!!!
Me: That's nice.
Silence...
Friend: So, anyway. Could you call Jason (her boyfriend and my best friend)? He doesn't seem to be answering his phone and I think he's avoiding me.
Me: Sure.
End Call.

Her boyfriend is an INTJ like me. Very strange couple. She's not really annoying. She actually makes me laugh a lot. I have noticed that if he doesn't respond to her calls or text quickly she thinks he's ignoring her.

[Rei]

I must say...
ESFJ

or even ISFJ...
but I think the E probably makes the person even more obnoxious.
I had a friend who is ESFJ... I just grew less and less tolerant of her.
My sister is also an ESFJ... She annoys the crap out of me.

Main reason, F's can only be non-frustrating if they are also N's
Preferably, any S's and/or F's should also be P's. *SFJ causes strong opinions... on the exact opposite side of the spectrum. *The E-ness, makes them twirl around you constantly, not leaving you alone (personal experience... they just don't go away :scared: ). *It will essentially kill you slowly from the inside out... unless you kill them first *:thumbsup:

[OneBadMother]

Es can wear down on me, especially ESFJ. Fs I might not get along as well with, but my best friend is an INFP. Granted, a nearly borderline F, so she doesn't get incredibly clingy or whine when I don't talk to her for long periods of time.

[The Rose]

I can't get along with ESTJ women for very long.

[deicruxified]

my sister is an enfp a spoiled brat...

one of my bosses is enfj... he wants stuff to happen in a zap and he thinks verbal contracts are as solid as stone tablets. he's like making us build a fifty story building on sand

hey .... uber e's they kinda drain me at the end of the day... especially when one of them broke up with their b/gf's

[wolf]

Extroverts that can't shut up.

ESTJs, who I find positively fascinating (and they like me) for like no more than a day or so. They're so weird, so structured, so social. It's like some kind of weird masochistic fascination I have. My aunt is one (99% sure) and she is just the most foreign and strange person I know. So reliable, lives by the clock, does things with total consistency, reminds you to shower, eat, etc... It's like being in the military or something. I like her, but I can't endure that for more than ~24 hours, and only when I'm in a certain mood. It's very draining. She loves that I fix things and teach her things. I taught her how to care for her orchid, for instance, and it bloomed a few months later. One thing I can't deny is their reliability.

I do not get along with ENFJs, and they tend to dislike me.

ESFXs are also rather incompatible for different reasons respectively.


EDIT: I should probably award an annoying type of introvert, too... ISFJ. So illogical, so vacuous. The upshot is they're totally selfless and caring, they basically try to become your slave, but talking to them is impossible. Something about the Si/Fe as their first functions puts them among the least logical people I know, with arguments that are so senseless that they are almost painful.

[Tarrick]

Okay, E+Fs, especially if either is extreme. I'm sorry, but loud obnoxious just make me want to hurt them. And people who want to solve everything with feelings are deluded and can't debate their arguments worth beans.

[MichaelH]

I find it interesting that several people list ENFJs as annoying. My boss is an ENFJ and we get along very well! I respect his people skills, and he's happy to assist with "people" tasks when needed. He respects my technical skills, and acknowledges his weakness with math and technical issues. As such, we strike a good balance.

At the same time, I'd have to say my "most annoying" type is split between two people close to me:

Friend #1 is an INFP writer, and when we talk about writing we do OK. When we talk about the rest of his life, it goes downhill fast. EVERYTHING is a major source of drama, of feelings that have to be discussed to be understood. His fast food was cold? Major emotional tension. An on-line friend left chat too quickly? 10 minutes of discussion. He actually told me he spends month preparing for his birthday every year because of the emotional upheaval involved. Good writer, but good grief!

My spouse is an ESFP, and he can be the most infuriating person I know. He's way too giving and self-sacrificing. He will do things like not eat leftovers in the fridge because I might want them for lunch tomorrow. (I'm capable of finding something else for lunch!) He hates eating alone and will refuse to eat if I'm not hungry yet. (This doesn't have much effect on me.) He's described his thought processes to me, and I have to shut him up quickly when he does. It's just a ping-pong-ball assault of random stuff that somehow gets him from A to B. I've mentioned in another thread, his "logic" is horribly broken and often results in him insisting with 100% certainty that things just "have to be" a certain way. He'll often dismiss perfectly workable ideas out-of-hand, and I have to push hard to keep them in play. His hatred of planning and following the rules borders on needing professional help. Deciding what he wants to get done this week or following speed limits is a kind of torture for him. I do love him, and there are a lot of good things about him, but that's for another post. :)

I find it funny that my spouse makes my "most annoying" list. One personality test said INTJ-ESFP is a good pairing, but "so rare as to be academic"! I wonder if the annoyance factor has something to do with that.

[INTJohn]

.........any of the SP's - the qwiker that group can be bred out of the specie the better.

INTJohn

[bikerscars]

my ex-girlfriend of 12 years and the mother of my three children is an esfj...

the first two years were painless enough(at least the past is a bit cloudy)

but the next ten consisted of slowly escalating clashes to the point were she cheated on me these last 1-3(?) years ... and it didn't bother me in the least...

the frustration we both had with each other was unbearable...

according to her it always was my fault...

i never wanted to socialize or be spontaneous; not romantic or thoughtful at all/wouldn't share my feelings/ always thought i was right(i was)...etc...

[hopscotch]

ESFXs annoy me the most. Their constant need for attention, incessant chatter about relationships and general vacuousness make me foam at the mouth. If I wanted to associate with airheads, I'd buy a blow-up doll; at least they're quiet.

ISTJs aren't so much frustrating as boring. They don't seem to have discernible personalities and lack vision and imagination. I couldn't bear being so rigid and single-minded.

I tend to get along best with ENXPs. They're generally witty and insightful.

[biased]

How are you able to predict people's personality types without giving the quiz to them?

[qwerty]

Ever since finding about the myer briggs test I have tried to pin people. I've been reading through a few speed reading books. The trouble is that I pin someone as a type then get them to take the test and wereas I'm getting better I still get surprising results, given everything I already know about them.

[MichaelH]

How are you able to predict people's personality types without giving the quiz to them?

The Art of Speed Reading People helps explain the process. As with most business books, it's 10% content to 90% padding/repetition, but the 10% content is worth the read.
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I've found that you can usually get pretty close by picking up a few details about people. Obviously, this comes from an INTJ perspective.

Do they gain energy when more people are around? Yes: extrovert. No: introvert.
Do they form internal associations about things that happen? Do they appear to be thinking hard a lot of the time? Do they appear to have a coherent internal dialogue? (This is easy to tell in conversation.) Do they like comic books? Yes: Intuitive. No: Sensor.
When they mention things, is it in terms of how people will relate instead of utility? Do they seem to take weird things personally? Yes: Feeler. No: Thinker.
Would they rather plan than go with the flow? Are they decisive? Do they seem unsettled when nobody has a clear vision of what to do? Yes: Judger. No: Perceiver

Of the people I've classified internally and then had the chance to test, most are very close to what I'd predicted.

Some people will always be annoying. However, this can help us understand why people behave the way they do! :)

[Blendy]

I find ESFP's annoying- too approval seeking, needy, and desperate to be the center of attention at all times. My father is an ESTJ and we've never seen eye-to-eye due to his rigid authoritarian tendencies and my problems with authority, though I don't know any others of his type. I have an ENFJ friend and we get along just fine; I'm also fond of ENTPs and INFPs.

[toonia]

For me I find ESTJs (or those I 'think' are ESTJs) to be bothersome. There is this competitive thing they do with me based on personality rather than skill. It's usually these little forceful, firecracker women who I could crush with my mind if I wanted to, but I don't see the purpose in doing this. It does annoy me when people use me for a private imaginary ego trip. Their perception of the competition at hand is very limited. This is one of the few types (I think) willing to venture far outside their realm of knowledge and skill to compete. I end up feeling a little sorry for them, but also worn out by their constant need to act like they are expert when they are completely clueless.

To give an example, I have a doctorate in music and some accomplishments. I have had people with zero training 'compete' with me, and I can tell that in their perception, they consider themselves a peer. My experience has been that the less capable the person, the more competitive they behave. It is bewildering and aggravating, especially when they are in a position of social power. I have found most competition to be this weird social dominance play of perceptual distortion. I have no use for it. I adore meeting people more intelligent and gifted than myself. They rarely have a reason to be competitive. People who focus on seeing the most objective perception of relative skill sets are apt to get a big sloppy one planted on them by me. I appreciate such attitudes more than I could ever say.

[mind_wander]

I would say anyone falls under the ST category.

[thegnat]

the emo, needy, extrovert that thinks they're awesome....

Probably ESFPs are the worst for me... I think my cousin is an ESFP...and she annoys me to no end....she's also a girly girl who thinks she knows everything but really doesn't....sigh...

[mind_wander]

See the S in the personality type, really kill your mood huh.

[MichaelH]

See the S in the personality type, really kill your mood huh.

Well, as INTJs, we view the world through our intuition. I realized long ago I don't actually see things directly, I see CONCEPTS of things. (It makes driving interesting sometimes, as I literally won't see things I don't understand. Douglas Adams would be proud!)

Now, try to communicate with someone who has no intuition. There's no base to work from. It's worse than speaking a foreign language, because languages share similar concepts! It's like talking to a toddler who just rambles on at random about everything they see.

So, yes, INTJs tend to clash with Ss. Just a bit. :)

[Rei]

Well, as INTJs, we view the world through our intuition. I realized long ago I don't actually see things directly, I see CONCEPTS of things. (It makes driving interesting sometimes, as I literally won't see things I don't understand. Douglas Adams would be proud!)

Now, try to communicate with someone who has no intuition. There's no base to work from. It's worse than speaking a foreign language, because languages share similar concepts! It's like talking to a toddler who just rambles on at random about everything they see.

So, yes, INTJs tend to clash with Ss. Just a bit. :)
I can see how N's and S's seem to clash. But I must say my curiosity wins me over because I think S's can be really interesting.
I don't know about the other S's, but STJ's have their own kind of intellegent quirkiness.They come to the same conclusions as I (and probably the general INTJ) do, but through a different thought process. It's really quite entertaining listening to their explanations.

[mind_wander]

As you put it there, I think my classmate, who was in my team member who's I think is an ESTJ; the conversations is rather interesting will go further, unsure on certain areas, which we INTJ help to renforce. Most our thinking is definitely on the same wavelength, not afraid of reaching and exceling to new heights. Although, she missed a class and asked me for my notes; although, my writing is like chicken scratch, but she commented it is much neater than hers. I will take that as a compliment being an INTJ :) But, we ratherly argue, but go step by step on the next topics.

*I took a look back on ESTJ and it seems to fit, the secondary defense is introverted, which she mentioned to me. Which I can understand based on her previous experiences in groups; they would not allow her to freely express the true leadership role [where the leadership is surpressed into the introvert side]. As ESTJ's go for the key goals, I have seen this in our group presentation; I give everyone in my team equal balance and tranquility in allowing each others flow with ideas. While, I construct the ideas into fixed concepts and passed it off to my ESTJ partner; no problem from there on. Any questions given can be easily answered. ESTJ is definitely very verbal, but nice enough to allow INTJ to jump in and take breaks in order to reorganized my train of thought :)

[The Rose]

I can't stand the type that is so know-it-all and can't wait to catch you up in a trick question.
The ones who are so theoretical that they've lost touch with reality.
I can't stand people who are always taking advantage of other people, and getting ahead by pushing other people's faces in the mud.
I can't stand really LOUD people.
But I don't know their types.

And the reason I can't stand ESTJs is because they have a million hoops for you to jump through if they're your boss and for some reason I just don't speak their language.

[mind_wander]

The S instilled in the 4 letters; want to push your buttons, until you flip out. As for me, I felt in my previous group project, my female ESTJ felt I was in charge. Although, my way of thinking is more tranquility. So no push or shove, but more like I give and you do; if there is something not right, I will try to quickly changed the approach.

The Rose, ESTJ does have weaknesses, I suggest you should go and find them. Keyword: Suggest, not an order.

[The Rose]

Why did you make that suggestion? What were you driving at?

I have read all about their weaknesses.
Imagine my horror when I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting along with my boss
and it turns out she was an ESTJ. :o :'(
That explained everything!
I actually quit my job.
I couldn't take her anymore.

[mind_wander]

Why did you make that suggestion? What were you driving at?

I have read all about their weaknesses.
Imagine my horror when I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting along with my boss
and it turns out she was an ESTJ. *:o * :'(
That explained everything!
I actually quit my job.
I couldn't take her anymore.
Yeah, I know shocking.

[The Rose]

Why did you make that suggestion? What were you driving at?

I have read all about their weaknesses.
Imagine my horror when I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting along with my boss
and it turns out she was an ESTJ. :o :'(
That explained everything!
I actually quit my job.
I couldn't take her anymore.
Yeah, I know shocking.
You didn't answer my question...
what were you driving at?

[Stopharian]

ESTJs by far


"The Super SJ"

[mind_wander]

Why did you make that suggestion? What were you driving at?

I have read all about their weaknesses.
Imagine my horror when I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting along with my boss
and it turns out she was an ESTJ. *:o * :'(
That explained everything!
I actually quit my job.
I couldn't take her anymore.
Yeah, I know shocking.
You didn't answer my question...
what were you driving at?

I am not driving at anything, but noting the obivious; ESTJ is more power driven.

[The Rose]

...
The Rose, ESTJ does have weaknesses, I suggest you should go and find them.
Which weaknesses did you think would be helpful to know? and why?

[mind_wander]

It would be INFP personality: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. , my guess this would be the ESTJ counter part in a negative way because not exactly all in common. Plus, INFP way of thinking is off than ESTJ power driven trait. Lets leave it as that for now. I don't want Jezzle has clean our mess and resend it to the INTJ vs. INTJ thread.

[INTJoe]

ESFJ's drive me pretty insane. They go a mile-a-minute and worry about stuff that doesn't matter. My girlfriend's mom is ESFJ and when she drops by she'll organize my apartment for me without me asking, and she's constantly asking if I'd like more potatoes, etc. lol.

There are great things about her ESFJ-ness of course, she'll buy me dress pants and stuff or offer me dress shirts that her husband doesn't want. She'll bring us by breakfast on the weekends some days which is awesome. But my main beef if her overbearingness, of which I try to just ignore. lol. She knows we're very different, so I think she knows when I'm ignoring her that it's time for her to bring it down a notch. :thumbsup:

For those who don't know what ESFJ is...Monica from friends is ESFJ.

[mind_wander]

They are very quick verbally, thats where the E comes in. As for overbearing yeah, but put it this way. Would you rather have someone disprove you all the time or have someone give it to you? I rather have someone give it to me. Less work, in a good way; later have to exchange with something else.

[Tsuru]

I'm very surprised no one has said ESTP. If there's one type I can almost never get along with, it's ESTP's. Almost every ESTP I've met has made me feel uncomfortable because they don't seem to naturally grasp the concepts of personal space, privacy, courtesy, and common-sense safety. Those all tend to infringe on the INTJ weak points of introverted and extroverted sensing, which makes sense as to why it's so unpleasant I guess. Part of this perception could be tainted by the fact that the pool of ESTP's I've had prolonged interaction too have generally all been young folk that probably haven't matured as much as they could (school, college).

While some severe SJs who haven't developed their N' side properly can sometimes be annoying and rigidly fixated on trivial demands in behavior that don't really make much sense, their behavior is at least for the most part predictable and they tend to respect space and privacy.

[Natrushka]

The most annoying to me has turned out to be the type that is often suggested as our ideal match, the ENFP. I suspect for me any ExxP would be annoying, however.

[Fecal McAngry]

How are you able to predict people's personality types without giving the quiz to them?

The Art of Speed Reading People helps explain the process. As with most business books, it's 10% content to 90% padding/repetition, but the 10% content is worth the read.
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I've found that you can usually get pretty close by picking up a few details about people. Obviously, this comes from an INTJ perspective.

Do they gain energy when more people are around? Yes: extrovert. No: introvert.
Do they form internal associations about things that happen? Do they appear to be thinking hard a lot of the time? Do they appear to have a coherent internal dialogue? (This is easy to tell in conversation.) Do they like comic books? Yes: Intuitive. No: Sensor.
When they mention things, is it in terms of how people *will relate instead of utility? Do they seem to take weird things personally? Yes: Feeler. No: Thinker.
Would they rather plan than go with the flow? Are they decisive? Do they seem unsettled when nobody has a clear vision of what to do? Yes: Judger. No: Perceiver

Of the people I've classified internally and then had the chance to test, most are very close to what I'd predicted.

Some people will always be annoying. However, this can help us understand why people behave the way they do! :)
IMHO, the most important aspect of that book is its discussion of Fi Vs. Fe. Oddly enough, they ignore that when typing Fe-er Bill Clinton as an ENFP, but whatevah...

Of course it's long-winded & talky! It was written by an ENFP+ENFJ couple!

[Chainsaw Dundee]

ISFJ's, seconded by INTJ females. :suspicious:

One of my best friends is an ENFP, and the other is an ENTJ. So I seem to get along with them alright. ESFP's can get annoying, but they are fun.

[curse10]

ISFJs- now that I really think about it. My mother is an ISFJ. I can't stand that they don't stand up for themselves. It's a pity party all day long.

[Wildflower]

ESTJ's in my presence usually end up quickly losing it and going off and looking like jerks to everyone else so they are actually not the worst type for me to deal with. I just set them right off by being myself and it is all out in the open! The bulldozer who attacks the passive dreamer, lol. Who comes out smelling like a rose in that case?

My real nemisis is an out of balance ESFJ who has overacvtive T shadow. Simply the worst. They act all loving and caring but secretly hate my guts and it comes out in dirty underhanded ways that are hard to bring to the light in a way that can be handled honestly.

An out of balance ESFP who has poor sense of conscience is the next worst.

Next type that I tend to rub the wrong way with is an immature ENFP espeically if they flirt from one position on a topic to the other depending on the needs of the moment. It grates on my developing Te and brings out my worst side. Ugh.

I don't like ENFJ if they are bossy and trying to "lead" me. Otherwise they are okay.

ISFJs- now that I really think about it. My mother is an ISFJ. I can't stand that they don't stand up for themselves. It's a pity party all day long.

Send them all my way. My speciality in life at times lately seems to be soothing ruffled ISFJ feathers. I find them simple, sweet, loyal and cute. They also always seem to have something good cooking in the kitchen too.

[Empathic]

... There's no base to work from. ... It's like talking to a toddler who just rambles on at random about everything they see.

So, yes, INTJs tend to clash with Ss. Just a bit. :)
That's hilariously true for extreme S's.

I can get very annoyed with them - anything you try to say that is the tiniest bit off track from their angle of vision, even when you're just simply generalizing the concept of what they just said, the S will rap at you for being incorrect.

[MattG]

I agree with Tsuru. I think the guys I hung out with in High School were ESTPs. They never stood back to think about anything. They were just constantly trying to out insult eachother and constantly planning the next illegal/dangerous/loud/obnoxious activity.

[Paul V]

EXFX. I don't get along with Extroverted Feeling types. We differ radically when it comes to decision making.

[BlackHawk]

I think I know what mind_wanderer is reffering to, The Rose.
There was an ESTJ player on my soccer team (I'm in charge of the defense). He could play very well, but needed lots of guidance. My co-captain figured out that if you said "Jacob, Great Job! But in the future, you could do it even better by _____"

This was entirely foreign to me, sugarcoating a problem and all, but it worked wonders.

[GOD]

I think I know what mind_wanderer is reffering to, The Rose.
There was an ESTJ player on my soccer team (I'm in charge of the defense). He could play very well, but needed lots of guidance. My co-captain figured out that if you said "Jacob, Great Job! But in the future, you could do it even better by _____"

This was entirely foreign to me, sugarcoating a problem and all, but it worked wonders.

Ok, lets get the facts straight :irked: (joking ;D)

It was the English that developed football, it's played with the feet. Like the foot. Thats why it was called football.

In America you have another game, its not played with the feet, its played with big pads and people run with the ball. Its not football. ;D

"In the United States, the sport's governing body is the United States Soccer Federation. This body was originally called the U.S. Football Association, and was formed in 1913 by the merger of the American Football Association and the American Amateur Football Association. The word "soccer" was added to the name in 1945, making it the U.S. Soccer Football Association, and it did not drop the word "football" until 1974, when it assumed its current name."

[Hypomanic]

ISTJ. ESTJ.

[BlackHawk]

So you're in England?

Well, then, a US sports terminology lesson is necessary!

Internationally, you guys call it football. I know. But here, it's soccer. So it is going to be reffered to as soccer if it ever comes up again, and the sport that involves big men with pads and an irregularily-shaped ball is American Football. Clear?
:p

The other annoying "type" is girls that are really quite intelligent, more T and J than F and P, but change themselves to conform to societal expectations.

[DeepPurple]

ENFJ. My sister is one and no one can piss me off faster than she can.

[NeonTetra]

I just want to thank you all for making the ENFJ the MOST ANNOYING TYPE for you all to deal with.

I truly consider that an honor cause it basically means we know how to make ya squirm. I really enjoy finding my way into people.

Yay us!!;D

[Jgib5328]

I don't really like S types because I find them shallow and boring. I think the most boring type is the ISTJ. My roommate is a severely underdeveloped ISTJ and he gets on my nerves. He has next to no intuition. He can't do any long term planning, he can't see things in an abstract view, he can't break convention etc. The worst part is that whenever I try to point out the flaws in his conventional behavior, he becomes unnecessarily defensive and reactionary. I honestly have no respect for the guy, but oh well.

However, my favorite types are INTJ, ENTJ, ENFP, ENTP, & ENFJ. I think ESFPs can be fun too.

[Antares]

I don't really like F types. I can tolerate them and many of my friends are F (trust me, I adore them), but some of them are extreme cases of F irritate me to no end. There was this once an acquaintance of mine (we hang out and she considers herself my friend, but I don't. I can't show it though... She's friends with my best friends) were very excited when she was talking about her favorite tv show. I demonstrated my lack of knowledge in that show by saying: Oh. I don't watch it. She thought I was attacking it! I did NOT mean to do anything. It's just a fact. And she was being sort of obssessive (listens to her 24/7)with this particular singer. I pointed it out with a perfectly levelled tone. She launched into a speech about: Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean that it's wrong for others to. It doesn't mean that she's a bad singer! I did not insinuate that if I recalled correctly. The problem with F's, they tend to derive more meaning from your lines than there actually is. There's this once, my mother was exiting my room. Being a swift person, I closed the door immediately, but she had something else on mind and decided to step back in. As a result, she was hit by the door. Before I had a chance to apologize, she accused me of trying to force her out! Of course that resulted in an argument because I had meant none of that, and the apology was quite forgotten.

[rocksteady]

It will essentially kill you slowly from the inside out... unless you kill them first :thumbsup:

If i was drinking milk it would have went through my nose and right on the screen after I read this. awesome
Ever since finding about the myer briggs test I have tried to pin people. I've been reading through a few speed reading books. The trouble is that I pin someone as a type then get them to take the test and wereas I'm getting better I still get surprising results, given everything I already know about them.
I'd say trust your gut, people have been known to lie on the test, the test isn't perfect by any means, true behavior and actions are much more reliable.

Well, as INTJs, we view the world through our intuition. I realized long ago I don't actually see things directly, I see CONCEPTS of things. (It makes driving interesting sometimes, as I literally won't see things I don't understand. Douglas Adams would be proud!)

Can you expand on this, is this why I always get lost in new places?

[Booko]

I have a tough time with Fs because I don't work from feeling. I have an even tougher time with Ps because I just sit there thinking "will you just freakin make up your mind already"?

I've learned over the years to see the strengths those approaches have, though, and that's helped greatly with finding some patience dealing with "opposites."

I married a "P" and sometimes he does drive me nuts thinking too much about things. By contrast, he's prevented me from making over hasty decisions too, so we do balance each other out.

I will never, ever, hang wallpaper with him, however. The glue would dry out while he was still thinking which section we should slap up next. *sigh* And no, he will never be allowed to paint semi-gloss on the woodwork either.

[rocksteady]

My roommate is a severely underdeveloped ISTJ

what exactly does "underdeveloped" mean?

[Caramel]

Can you expand on this, is this why I always get lost in new places?

You have that too?

I've been going over this one for ages now. How can a person with such well developed mental abilities get lost every darn time? :stunned:

Back to the topic at hand, I don't play well with S types. It is like they never get 'it'.

[anul]

I don't mind F's because they're easy to get along with or easy to deal with. I can't stand STJ the most I hate them, and I want to throw them off a cliff. My father is an ISTJ and my grandmother and mother in law are both ESTJ's. You can't win any argument with them because they will always deflect blame to someone else even if it's clearly them that is wrong. The only way to deal with them is to treat them like dogs.

It also seems that ESTJ's have a high risk of having borderline personality disorder. They are so crazy they'll just lie for their convenience then when you catch them lying they just lie more to get out of it.

If you're not close to ESTJ's they're not that terrible, but if you're close to them they are nothing but trouble.

[Henry]

I don't mind F's because they're easy to get along with or easy to deal with. I can't stand STJ the most I hate them, and I want to throw them off a cliff. My father is an ISTJ and my grandmother and mother in law are both ESTJ's. You can't win any argument with them because they will always deflect blame to someone else even if it's clearly them that is wrong. The only way to deal with them is to treat them like dogs.

It also seems that ESTJ's have a high risk of having borderline personality disorder. They are so crazy they'll just lie for their convenience then when you catch them lying they just lie more to get out of it.

If you're not close to ESTJ's they're not that terrible, but if you're close to them they are nothing but trouble.

I get along well enough with every type but STJs. Especially ISTJs. Rigidity. Self-righteousness. Will trade the war for a battle.

[Booko]

I don't mind F's because they're easy to get along with or easy to deal with.

Wow...really? I have the toughest time with Fs I suppose because I feel like I have to walk on eggshells for fear of hurting their feelings. Not all of course, but it's a general tendency.

One of my best friends is very much an F and she'll get all hurt and not be upfront and tell me and maybe years later she'll mention it, and the hurt was all based on her not understanding something I said. That stuff drives me nuts.

I can't stand STJ the most I hate them, and I want to throw them off a cliff.


Hm, now that I read your post, I'd like to revise and extend my previous remarks.

My mom is an ESTJ and we drive each other nuts. She confessed last summer, in front of my kids, that I was the sort of kid in school she liked to beat up. *sigh* We were always a trial for each other, though we have managed to learn not to hit each others' hot buttons. It really doesn't help that I read everything in sight and she had a tough time with academics. That makes her feel insecure (though it shouldn't really -- she's great at other things that I'm lousy at) and that sends her to some really strange places in our relationship.

My father is an ISTJ and my grandmother and mother in law are both ESTJ's. You can't win any argument with them because they will always deflect blame to someone else even if it's clearly them that is wrong. The only way to deal with them is to treat them like dogs.


I can't win an argument with my mom because she is...a traditionalist. "God said so" works fine for her. It doesn't do a thing for me.

Yeah, I view "tradition" as a source of information to be used when there's a use for it. But in the usual INTJ fashion, I will throw tradition overboard in a minute if it fails to be productive.

It also seems that ESTJ's have a high risk of having borderline personality disorder. They are so crazy they'll just lie for their convenience then when you catch them lying they just lie more to get out of it.

I'm not so sure about this. This may be a bad side of ESTJ's, but you wouldn't find a more truthful person than my mom. And therein lies the problem. Not everything that is true is good to say, and while bluntness has its use, so do tact and diplomacy. She has no middle, but I don't think that's because she's an ESTJ -- it's just she never learned the tools of diplomacy. Not like I've done as much as I should, but compared to decades ago I'm a heck of a lot less blunt than I would've been before.

If you're not close to ESTJ's they're not that terrible, but if you're close to them they are nothing but trouble.

It does seem we couldn't have more different approaches. And I wonder if the "J" part in common doesn't make that even worse. We all make our determinations of how things are and often don't revisit them, and so we remain kinda...stuck.

[anul]

Wow...really? I have the toughest time with Fs I suppose because I feel like I have to walk on eggshells for fear of hurting their feelings. Not all of course, but it's a general tendency.

Well SF's I've never been really close to any. NF's on the other hand are highly predictable, the trick is to make them need to impress you. NF's swarm to NT's and if you act cold and distant they'll pretty much follow you or fall in love with you.

Ok so maybe saying ESTJ's are more prone to BPD is being a bit too general/dramatic. I just happen to know two, with a possible three to five more, ESTJ's with BPD. I don't have any statistics to back up my claim, but it has been a reoccurring theme to see ESTJ's with BPD.

[Danisty]

All E-F combinations drive me nuts. Not only are they obsessed with everyone's feelings, they have to get everyone involved in it too.

[Booko]

Well SF's I've never been really close to any. NF's on the other hand are highly predictable, the trick is to make them need to impress you. NF's swarm to NT's and if you act cold and distant they'll pretty much follow you or fall in love with you.

Somehow in all these years I've missed this, probably because I'm not highly motivated to impress anyone. :idea:

Ok so maybe saying ESTJ's are more prone to BPD is being a bit too general/dramatic. I just happen to know two, with a possible three to five more, ESTJ's with BPD. I don't have any statistics to back up my claim, but it has been a reoccurring theme to see ESTJ's with BPD.

It might be just a coincidence. I can't think offhand of any of the bipolar folks I know being in any particular group. Some are heavily into F, but I can think of others (like a cousin of mine) who is definitely no F.

All E-F combinations drive me nuts. Not only are they obsessed with everyone's feelings, they have to get everyone involved in it too.

Yeah, and get pissed off when you don't want to play.

I just loved it when I got shot in the back at work because I didn't want to play the silly feelings games and just quietly went about my work with no reference to what I thought of anyone else. Fortunately, I had a boss who was sensible at the time, and when he brought me in for something I suggested I could act otherwise and gave him an example of what he'd be in for and he quickly relented.

Any other women here find they have a particular difficulty when you don't want to get into the touchy feely thing and it's like other women expect you to, because obviously we're ALL that way? :irked:

[Firelie]

All E-F combinations drive me nuts. Not only are they obsessed with everyone's feelings, they have to get everyone involved in it too.

I know what you mean. Got a couple of those in my life, and they love to gossip to anyone who will listen. Ugh.

[mind_wander]

what exactly does "underdeveloped" mean?

reference to Immature ISTJs.





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I just want to thank you all for making the ENFJ the MOST ANNOYING TYPE for you all to deal with.

I truly consider that an honor cause it basically means we know how to make ya squirm. I really enjoy finding my way into people.

Yay us!!;D

Probably, based on ENFJs would rephrased the questions akwardly, so makes it harder to pin-point, in what you exactly want to tell us? Although, we kind of get you, at the same time we don't.

[Blendy]

My father is an ISTJ and my grandmother and mother in law are both ESTJ's. You can't win any argument with them because they will always deflect blame to someone else even if it's clearly them that is wrong. The only way to deal with them is to treat them like dogs.

If you're not close to ESTJ's they're not that terrible, but if you're close to them they are nothing but trouble.

I've also found this to be the case. My father is an ESTJ and his personality bothers me like nothing else. In my experience, ESTJ's tend to be pushy, invasive, rigid, controlling, and unable to understand a viewpoint other than their own.

[Tsuru]

I'm surprised not many people have said ESTP. If there's any one type that's pretty consistently grated on me, it's been ESTPs.

This may be coming from the fact that the bulk of ESTPs I've come in contact with are young and not as developed as they should or could be. But almost every experience I've had with people of this type indicates that they have little respect or understanding of personal boundaries/space/privacy (ie, stuff like "playful" hitting or in that spirit, always trying to talk to you when you clearly don't want to be doing so, little respect for others' property), are often oblivious of their effect on others (ie, playing music at full blast all day, talking to people in other cars while in the middle of a street, ect), are often physically reckless and don't routinely think of the consequences of their actions (don't get in a car that they're driving in, warg!). I just generally feel uncomfortable around this type more than any other, as far as my experiences go.

ESFPs are likely to have similar issues, but at least their F side makes them more likely to be generally nice people at least. :o

While severe SJ types can be very hard to deal with, I can at least understand their general psychology and why they do what they do.

[Hypomanic]

Actually I changed my mind... ISTJ's are wayyy cool. I dunno what I was thinking when I said that. The most annoying types for me are:

1 ESTJ
2 ENFP
3 INFP

[quentin]

The thing about Feeling vs. Thinking is that only one of those is a component of what makes us human. A dog can feel. Feeling is not an accomplishment. Being able to control our emotions, to overcome our primitive impulses, is part of what separates homo sapiens from the beasts.

[OneBadMother]

ENFPs gone wrong are terrifying. An S I can ignore or overlook. An NF out to get you will tear you to pieces unless you cut them off.

[DeepPurple]

I think I should change my mind on ENFJ. One of my sister's friends just had some sort of breakdown and my sister has been visiting the hospital everyday. Even if I don't get along with her, she is one hell of a friend. She'll have a falling out with friends and the minute they need something she's there for them. No matter how bad they treated her.

For right now I'm undecided.

[Hypomanic]

The thing about Feeling vs. Thinking is that only one of those is a component of what makes us human. A dog can feel. Feeling is not an accomplishment. Being able to control our emotions, to overcome our primitive impulses, is part of what separates homo sapiens from the beasts.

So true.

[Quite Robert]

ENFPs really get under my skin.

My mother is an ESFJ, so I am propably more tolerant of them.

[Tarrick]

ENFPs gone wrong are terrifying. An S I can ignore or overlook. An NF out to get you will tear you to pieces unless you cut them off.

I think I should change my mind on ENFJ. One of my sister's friends just had some sort of breakdown and my sister has been visiting the hospital everyday. Even if I don't get along with her, she is one hell of a friend. She'll have a falling out with friends and the minute they need something she's there for them. No matter how bad they treated her.

For right now I'm undecided.


You can have no better friend, nor a worse enemy then a NF.
NFs seemingly instinctively defend anyone they perceive as being threatened by anyone else. If they see you being attacked by anyone for nearly any reason they will come to your defense like you wouldn't believe.

However, if they sense any sort of "attack" of any kind coming from you, they will proverbially snap your neck.

NFs want everyone to get along and they will do nearly anything, sacrifice nearly anything to ensure that their cause is moved forward.


Which is why they can be very annoying one day and very helpful the next.

[Circe]

What about very annoying one minute and very helpful the next?

My ENFJ sister fits nicely into that category.

[Tarrick]

What about very annoying one minute and very helpful the next?

My ENFJ sister fits nicely into that category.

You could probably get it down to ten seconds if the situation changed that fast. :suspicious: Scary, isn't it...so...gooey and illogical....

[Hypomanic]

You could probably get it down to ten seconds if the situation changed that fast. :suspicious: Scary, isn't it...so...gooey and illogical....

A little too freaky for me to take advantage of that, actually. :stunned:

[INTJoe]

I'm surprised not many people have said ESTP. If there's any one type that's pretty consistently grated on me, it's been ESTPs.

This may be coming from the fact that the bulk of ESTPs I've come in contact with are young and not as developed as they should or could be. But almost every experience I've had with people of this type indicates that they have little respect or understanding of personal boundaries/space/privacy (ie, stuff like "playful" hitting or in that spirit, always trying to talk to you when you clearly don't want to be doing so, little respect for others' property), are often oblivious of their effect on others (ie, playing music at full blast all day, talking to people in other cars while in the middle of a street, ect), are often physically reckless and don't routinely think of the consequences of their actions (don't get in a car that they're driving in, warg!). I just generally feel uncomfortable around this type more than any other, as far as my experiences go.

lol. I'm trying to get my older brother to take the test, but he hasn't yet. I'm typed him as ESTP based on experiences. Here are some of the things that he's done:

First off, he was never good in school, but has "street smarts"
He is a firefighter and he also sells fire trucks (like $400,000 trucks...). He sells about 6-8 a year, but makes very good money doing it. He's a natural salesman, which is what his type says.

Some of the absurd things he's done over the years:
Stuck a hose between a neighbors house and the ground, turned it on and walked away when they were gone. Flooded their basement.
Threw tomatoes at another neighbors house and the entire front was plastered in red tomato juice.
Knocked my two front teeth out on Thanksgiving day when I was 6.
Dropped a 2-liter of soda on my groin, when I was laying on my back in front of the TV.
Rolled a giant tire down the street in attempt to "hit a car", when no car came, it rolled through our front window of our house.
He's been struck in the back of his head with a hammer.
And on a separate occasion, he's struck a female in the nose with a hammer.
He used to take the key and open the bathroom door whenever I was in showering or going to the bathroom, laugh hysterically, then walk away with the door still open. This was like...when we were teenagers.
He used to love showering early in the morning on the weekend, then he'd come in and LAY ON MY BED ALL WET WITH HIS WET TOWEL STILL AROUND HIM, WITH HIS HEAD AT MY FEET AND HIS NASTY WET FEET BY MY PILLOW!!! WTF!?!?!
He's also been arrested in Mexico, and had to pay $12,000 bail to leave. He skipped his "court date" and is now a fugitive, so he can never go back. And he lives 30 miles from the border in South Texas. And his wife is American, but of Mexican descent.

We do compliment eachother rather well, though. But it's probably best we live in separate cities!!! :)

He asks me for financial advice (because he makes great money but has no clue how to save/spend it.) and I call him whenever I have car problems, so I don't get screwed by a mechanic. Also, if I get a ticket in Houston, he'll make a phone call and it'll get torn up. :)

We really are quite different, it's amazing. We don't even look similar, either, which makes people shocked when they go "He's your brother!?!"

[elsdfr]

INTJoe sounds exacly like the experience I had with an untyped/suspected ESTP I worked with once. He could "sell ice to Eskimo's" and entertain everyone with his small talk. I'd often sit amazed at what I thought I just seen as well.

I'd say I was frustrated in the fact that I knew I could never replicate their mental and social abilities.

[Cyrus]

The type that’s annoyed me the most by FAR is ESFJ. Quite ok to talk to at arms length at first, then when some strange emo thing clicks in their head, “oh he’s my friend” they call 10 times a day for inane reasons (eg: I can’t find my eye lash curler... *wail*),
have an inordinate need to be praised, cooed, validated, “tell me I’m hot/intelligent/capable and everyone wants to get to know me if not I’ll just shrivel up and die”
and worst of all, they CLING and wont let go till you burn them off.

Perhaps ESFs in general are annoying, though I wouldn’t expect to get along very well with any ES either without making a conscious shift in mental phasing.
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But when it comes to work, I think there’s a necessity to get along with all types.
A fellow NT suggested using the NTJ function to size people up: what motivates them, what do they feel insecure about, what are they proud of, how does what they wear communicate about them – then using this, come to logical deductions about them.

I find that this helps A LOT because
(1) It compartmentalises all interactions with the person as a “scientific data gathering experiment” --> Detachment from painful types
(2) The outcome eventually leads to knowing which buttons to push to get what you want with the least amount of pain. --> Incentive to find out about them
(3) It give the impression you’re interested (you are.. but for different purpose) and sociable --> Good social mask. Hides your intentions well in settings that would otherwise be toxin to us

[Tsuru]

Some of the absurd things he's done over the years:
Stuck a hose between a neighbors house and the ground, turned it on and walked away when they were gone. Flooded their basement.
Threw tomatoes at another neighbors house and the entire front was plastered in red tomato juice.
Knocked my two front teeth out on Thanksgiving day when I was 6.
Dropped a 2-liter of soda on my groin, when I was laying on my back in front of the TV.
Rolled a giant tire down the street in attempt to "hit a car", when no car came, it rolled through our front window of our house.
He's been struck in the back of his head with a hammer.
And on a separate occasion, he's struck a female in the nose with a hammer.
He used to take the key and open the bathroom door whenever I was in showering or going to the bathroom, laugh hysterically, then walk away with the door still open. This was like...when we were teenagers.
He used to love showering early in the morning on the weekend, then he'd come in and LAY ON MY BED ALL WET WITH HIS WET TOWEL STILL AROUND HIM, WITH HIS HEAD AT MY FEET AND HIS NASTY WET FEET BY MY PILLOW!!! WTF!?!?!
He's also been arrested in Mexico, and had to pay $12,000 bail to leave. He skipped his "court date" and is now a fugitive, so he can never go back. And he lives 30 miles from the border in South Texas. And his wife is American, but of Mexican descent.


It's living with a person like that that literally defines my nightmares. I'd take an extreme SJ type over that any day. :P

[PortInStorm]

Yep, SPs get me every time. Their type of mechanical, social intelligence doesn't turn my crank, and their spur-of-the-moment stuff can produce some fun, but it kills my J. They switch interests really fast. And the kicker is that they can sometimes be such geniuses as musicians, engineers, etc., and their ability to win people over with no solid argument whatsoever annoys me, along with how much inconvenience etc. everyone just takes from them due to the SP charisma. I just want to scream "It's all pretty song and dance!!" I remember being outdone in office politics by an SP, and while I still don't like that type very much, I had to admire how suave she was about it, how she had everyone doing just what she wanted. And here I was thinking that the quality of ideas was the thing... silly me.