I.N.T.J & Drugs

[Nate08]

I have found with past observation, study & experience when a INTJ takes EXTACY there personality usually becomes ESFP while high.

[anara]

well an INTJ is still an INTJ on ecstasy. but they would be experiencing a flood of seratonin, like any other type on the drug, so they would appear ESFP, but so would everyone else.

[StJimmy]

zuh? are you high right now?

i don't know about my personality changing much, other than just a manic sense of energy... that, and the tendency to freak other people "under the influence" right the hell out after talking to them for much longer than 60 seconds.

[Rei]

I'm sorry, the "EXTACY there personality" lost me...

[deicruxified]

I have found with past observation, study & experience when a INTJ takes EXTACY there personality usually becomes ESFP while high.
you experimented? how? if you did it, then i guess i'd still doubt the generalization...

as for 15 bottles of beer... i do laugh a lot then sleep afterwards. there's a cheat in beer if you want to last long... well anyway, i'd still accept the idea of the possibility of "character" change due to some factors in the environment..

[thegnat]

why experiment on that?

but then that's probably my "don't take any more drugs than you have to" philosophy coming into play.

[Nate08]

Well it really is simple. It's bassed primary on the principle of opposites. For example 95% of drug takers are introverts anyway. Usually it works as a fix for them to come out of there shell & feel accepted in society while having that warm coazy feeling & euphoria with a powerful emotional release!

When extroverts have taken drugs they usually had all the same experience however they were more likely to go off & dance by them selves. As introverts will be to busy drawing up all the attention.

[Natrushka]

I've read that INTJs can display the bad ESFP traits when under stress. I wonder if this would apply to while high?

[thegnat]

I've read that INTJs can display the bad ESFP traits when under stress. I wonder if this would apply to while high?
:laugh:

that makes me laugh.

because if I showed ESFP traits when stressed, I wouldn't test INTJ probably 1/2 the time (though now that number's considerably lower, maybe 1/4 or less). I'm trying to de-stress myself with a new attitude. But even when I'm stressed I'm INTJ. Just a bit more irritable probably. Probably for me actually a bit more extreme INTJ when I'm stressed actually.

As for taking drugs and 95% of drug users are introverts - then they're not happy with themselves. I say screw what society thinks of you, be yourself. Don't chemically alter yourself to fit in. To me that's stupid. They're most likely introverts with low self esteem. No offense to anyone here who uses drugs. Do whatever you want. It's your body.

Plus I'm way too damn stubborn to fall into peer pressure. In fact I'll not do something if I'm peer pressured to do it for that sole reason. If I wasn't peer pressured I might do it.

[StJimmy]

For example 95% of drug takers are introverts anyway.

i call b.s. on this until proven otherwise.

that makes me laugh.

because if I showed ESFP traits when stressed, I wouldn't test INTJ probably 1/2 the time (though now that number's considerably lower, maybe 1/4 or less). I'm trying to de-stress myself with a new attitude. But even when I'm stressed I'm INTJ. Just a bit more irritable probably. Probably for me actually a bit more extreme INTJ when I'm stressed actually.

As for taking drugs and 95% of drug users are introverts - then they're not happy with themselves. I say screw what society thinks of you, be yourself. Don't chemically alter yourself to fit in. To me that's stupid. They're most likely introverts with low self esteem. No offense to anyone here who uses drugs. Do whatever you want. It's your body.

Plus I'm way too damn stubborn to fall into peer pressure. In fact I'll not do something if I'm peer pressured to do it for that sole reason. If I wasn't peer pressured I might do it.

yeah, careful with those sweeping generalizations. you could put someone's eye out with those.

[thegnat]

For example 95% of drug takers are introverts anyway.

i call b.s. on this until proven otherwise.

that makes me laugh.

because if I showed ESFP traits when stressed, I wouldn't test INTJ probably 1/2 the time (though now that number's considerably lower, maybe 1/4 or less). I'm trying to de-stress myself with a new attitude. But even when I'm stressed I'm INTJ. Just a bit more irritable probably. Probably for me actually a bit more extreme INTJ when I'm stressed actually.

As for taking drugs and 95% of drug users are introverts - then they're probably not happy with themselves. I say screw what society thinks of you, be yourself. Don't chemically alter yourself to fit in. To me that's stupid. They're most likely introverts with low self esteem. No offense to anyone here who uses drugs. Do whatever you want. It's your body.

Plus I'm way too damn stubborn to fall into peer pressure. In fact I'll not do something if I'm peer pressured to do it for that sole reason. If I wasn't peer pressured I might do it.

yeah, careful with those sweeping generalizations. you could put someone's eye out with those.


Well *probably* these people who are using to fit in are *probably* not happy with themselves whether they realize it or not.

I hate sweeping generalizations myself. I was mainly trying to shoot down a generalization that said that INTJs turned ESFP when stressed. and that the 95% are introverts to "fit in". it doesn't sound right that that's the case does it?

[StJimmy]

not really, no. i have a hard time believing that extroverts have some sort of built in "resistance" to "doing drugs."

[thegnat]

not really, no. i have a hard time believing that extroverts have some sort of built in "resistance" to "doing drugs."

Actually I think another factor that hasn't even come in here is addictive personalities.

Some people are more likely to do drugs due to alcoholism in the family etc.

But yeah, I agree.

And *if* we go along with the logic that people do drugs to fit in - if an extrovert gets into a group of friends that does drugs, I would think they'd be likely to take them. Resisting would be weird. They wouldn't want to be the person on their own so they might take them. Or they'll try and find a different group of people to be like or they'll try to fit in with this group in a different way due to their social skills.

Take the exact same situation and put an introvert there instead of an extrovert. The introvert doesn't have the same need to fit in as the extrovert does. They're used to being outcast and on their own. Does that mean they'll resist? No. Does it mean they're more likely to resist? No. But it's something to think about.

Also take the logic that people don't use drugs to fit in. Say they do it to get away from their problems. Everyone has problems. No one type is going to have more or less.

[Firelie]

*For example 95% of drug takers are introverts anyway..

So where'd you get THAT little nugget of information?

[OFL]

I also have experimented with "E". When i was on it my friends would say they couldn't tell i was on anything. I just acted like myself, but much happier. I actually met one of my girlfriends, who is a ESFP while at a rave on E. Biggest mistake of my life. :suspicious:

I haven't taken E for about 7 years now. I don't drink Alcohol at all, but i will toke some weed. That is the only thing that will calm my energies down. It also stimulates my intuition and i can dive pretty deep into interesting ideas (like an INTP would). My friend, who is an INTP, and i have amazing conversations while high. We bounce theoies off of each other and figure out quite a bit. I have a prescription, so i'm legal. Does anybody else use cannabis for one of these reasons? If that is too private i understand.

OFL :thumbsup:

[GOD]

I'd say that more extroverts do the whole thing more, basically because I've seen it in real life.

Just look at any company with a large contingent of sales people... watch them all go outside for a smoke..

Now see a whole bunch of INTJ types... do they all go outside for a "big session".

NO.

Most REAL intj's who have any real connection with the Thinking and Judging elements simply won't do that whole scene... the group mentality is enough to make them walk away before the whole health/mind issue comes into play!

[NephilimAzrael]

I've never needed drugs to turn ESFP, it is the dark-side of my character. i found drugs do little to my personality, just my mind.