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ps646566
10-24-2007, 12:59 PM
I read with interest and some amusement the thread suggesting an "INTJ Manual’’, with a view to helping the rest of the human race to deal with this strange ‘sub-species’ in which we find ourselves !

It is probably typically INTJ to expect the world at large to change in order to better accommodate us. But it isn’t going to happen. I therefore think that a more useful exercise might be a manual FOR INTJ’s. Perhaps being older than the average user of the forum, I can offer some perspective on how to cope with life in general. Forgive me if these homilies sound like stating the obvious, but in my experience they are not necessarily adhered to by those who would benefit from adhering to them. I wish that I had done so to a greater extent earlier in life :-

• Adolescence is difficult for most people -- all the more so if you feel, and seem, a bit ‘different’. However it does get easier as you grow up, especially if you are prepared to make some effort to conform, where conformity is not too compromising that is.

• Don’t get too preoccupied with believing yourself to be special or different. A downside of a website like this is that it can reinforce such beliefs. Contrary to what some people would argue, the personality distinctions are not black and white, but are in fact shades of grey. Anyway we are all different by virtue of conditioning factors -- upbringing, life experience etc. People of other personality traits have their problems too, eg vulnerability, lack of assertiveness, or lack of perseverance.

• Most people cannot tolerate being confronted with the uncomfortable truth, but we are masters at delivering it. This is especially the case when it's accompanied by the feeling that we can see right through them – which we often can. It therefore helps to train yourself to think before speaking, and to hold back when the likely adverse consequences outweigh the beneficial ones (and let’s face it we should be good at figuring that one out).

• Sticking to one’s principles and beliefs will certainly help you to sleep nights. But it comes at a price, and such an approach does not make life any easier in many situations. It helps to accept that you can’t have it all ways – be philosophical.

• Other people’s stupidity, laziness, incompetence, and insincerity will no doubt frequently surprise, irritate, and depress you. Accept that the nature of society reflects in large part people whose brains are wired differently from ours (after all we apparently represent only 2% of the population, and our INTP soul-mates another 3%). Get over it -- it’s a very imperfect world.

• Regarding conflicts and confrontations, firstly learn to pick the battles which are big enough to fight but small enough to win. Secondly learn to pick targets carefully and (at least sometimes) snipe from behind chimneys rather than going in all-guns-blazing.

• If and when accused of not being a ‘team player’, or suchlike, it often helps to invite the accuser to state exactly what they mean by ‘the team’, and what are it’s primary objective/s. This approach does not win many friends (see above point), but does tend to disarm the protagonist, and in rare cases may even induce them to reconsider their stance to the benefit of all.

• Unless you are Richard the Lionheart, don’t try to lead crusades.

• Most people judge others on a fairly superficial basis, especially initially. So getting on better with people can to some extent be a forced exercise, with a few old tricks :- smile, give a firm handshake, make deliberate eye contact, remember names and use them, indulge in small talk and crack a few jokes. These things do not necessarily come naturally, but they can be self-trained with a bit of effort.

• Don’t try to be what you’re not -- play to your strengths, and play down your weaknesses. This applies in private as well as working life, and may in fact be easier outside the work environment. For example, if too much interaction with others is irksome, then don’t get too involved in joining clubs or societies, and especially don’t get involved with committees, etc.

• Nobody likes a smart-arse, but they sometimes grudgingly respect them. Nevertheless your intelligence, logic, and rationality will not always be acknowledged or appreciated. Sadly, being right often has nothing to do with it. People with less intellect, but other ‘attributes’, such as persuasive charm, bullying ability, or animal cunning will use these to steal a march on you, often successfully. Again, be philosophical.

• Chances are that little that you ever say or do will make any significant difference. Wanting to change the world for the better is a worthy aim of youth, but it will only lead to disillusionment if carried too far into adult life. And anyway let’s be logical and realistic -- how many people ever really do make a significant difference ?


Any other suggestions, especially from those who have substantial life experience ?

mind_wander
10-24-2007, 01:14 PM
Thanx, for the A manual for INTJ's self guide. Interesting stuff, there are certain areas in I can relate to from my own experience. Realistically, being INTJ is a hard job to adapt into any environment, but it can be realistically be done. Probably, once the INTJ manual for dummies is done, then moving over to this side; the counterparts.

Great job, pats on the back and a firm handshake.

wise
10-24-2007, 11:35 PM
These are some of the most useful and interesting comments on INTJs that I've read.

The point about not being too preoccupied with your "differences" is a good one. I think this can carry over into the online arena. INTJs have to remember that among other INTJs they are nothing "special" and not the only sharp knife in the drawer, so to speak.

Thanks for the list.

Nomad
10-27-2007, 10:48 AM
Actually, that's pretty complete, but I have some thoughts. Most people rise to their level of incompetence, with patience, you can give them just enough rope to hang themselves.

Most bosses don't really want efficient, effective employees, they don't know what to do with them. Be philosophical about it.

I want to reiterate the OP's thought. We are 2%. It means the world was built for the rest of population, not you. They don't want you to save them.

Have some fun, life is short, you don't need to understand everything. learn to simply enjoy things, rather than analyzing everything. It's about finding your pace and place, which is usually slower and less center than we like to believe.

I personally enjoy it when my boss get all the grief and i get all the respect.

-Nomad

mind_wander
10-27-2007, 10:53 AM
"I personally enjoy it when my boss get all the grief and i get all the respect."

Nice one, yeah I do like that, does make me feel that I accomplished something.

wise
10-27-2007, 11:12 AM
I personally enjoy it when my boss get all the grief and i get all the respect.

-Nomad

However, a dominant boss can work an INTJ to death and leave them with zero credit. It all depends on how cunning the boss is; sometimes they are as cunning as INTJs.

Not analyzing things too much is problematic for INTJs, or so it would seem. Good idea, great advice, but I find it hard to apply in my life; I analyze automatically. One the one hand I like it that way, on the other hand I'd say "Tell me how you do that...please!" ;D

mind_wander
10-27-2007, 11:19 AM
Me too, my analyzing system just jump starts, when things are spoken.

Nomad
10-27-2007, 01:15 PM
I personally enjoy it when my boss get all the grief and i get all the respect.

-Nomad

However, a dominant boss can work an INTJ to death and leave them with zero credit. It all depends on how cunning the boss is; sometimes they are as cunning as INTJs.

Not analyzing things too much is problematic for INTJs, or so it would seem. Good idea, great advice, but I find it hard to apply in my life; I analyze automatically. One the one hand I like it that way, on the other hand I'd say "Tell me how you do that...please!" ;D

I listen to a lot of Jimmy Buffett. At one point in my life I had been burning myself to the ground, working hard, then working some more, and then going to work. I said screw this, and took a six month vacation to the far side of the world. I just stopped and watched the ocean, went diving, drank beer on the veranda, watched the birds. I still found the systems around me, and in fact learned a great deal about how things work, like metasysems, how organisms operate in their environments, and came to lots of startling conclusions.

We get annoyed when other folks don't make sense. Well, there must be some reason for that. There must be some reason for just plain fun, for relaxation.Think of it as a problem. :D It's not easy, but life is meant to be enjoyed, and well as being made efficient.

Think of that scene in Phenomenon, when he just watches the trees sway.

-Nomad

xtremegeek
10-27-2007, 03:34 PM
Phenomenon

I love that movie! But I think the ultimate display of INTJ (strengths and weaknesses) can be found in the movie Shopgirl.

orange
10-28-2007, 03:40 PM
great advice. My dad, as an older INTJ, has taught me much of what you said. As for the manual I and I think most of us know that It wont help people actually understand us. I just think that makeing the manual is fun.