MBTI and ZODIAC correlation?

[deicruxified]

i came across with an intj (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) article and a question was asked about zodiac signs having to do with mbti...so i'm just curious

i'm a gemini for everyone's info and as per gemini profile, we are extroverts but not sure with expressing ideas or just being a loud mouth. but i also see a lot of commonalities with the intj pro and gemini like being critical etc...

so what's everyone's sign? do you see common traits with being an intj?

[rasoirviolon]

i was just wondering the same thing.

hmm, i'm an aquarius (but i was suppose to be born an aries). from what i've read aquarians fall into two types. i fall into the one that isn't exuberant and spontaneous. naturally do aquarians like to socialise? the I part in MBTI contradicts this in me. besides the aquarian's tendencies to be lively, i'd consider MBTI and my astrology compliment each other.

[Jack]

Scorpio, and it depends, I tend to go ENTP at times...I would like to know, if someone was born closer a cusp, would they take on the traits of the next Zodiac as well as the one they are born under?...The correlation concept is definitely something to think about.

[Rei]

Seriously doubting a causal correlation here. but it's fun to see correlations nonetheless.

Another Scorpio here *wave*


PS: I added a poll so it'd be easier to see ;)

[Jezebel]

Sagittarius, but I find the zodiac highly ridiculous.

[deicruxified]

Seriously doubting a causal correlation here. but it's fun to see correlations nonetheless.

Another Scorpio here *wave*


PS: I added a poll so it'd be easier to see *;)
wow thanks!

[Rei]

No prob, I just hope you don't mind it.

[Tarrick]

I am not a Pisces at all.

[rwyatt365]

A Pisces INTJ - I'm doomed!! :scared:

[phoenix]

ACK! Astrology...pseudoscience....


...Aquarius. Not that the location of the earth in its orbit at the time of my birth will have anything to do with anything.

[Firelie]

I tried this out a couple weeks ago with my friends and there appeared to be no correlation between the two.

--Cancer here. No, not the disease. Have you ever seen the symbol for Cancer? It's a sideways 69 shape. Bow-chicka-wow-wow...?

[Tarrick]

I thought cancer was a crab.

[Firelie]

I thought cancer was a crab.

It is. There's a symbol as well as the animal/human figure.

[v1cious]

why is this in an INTJ forum? astronomy is bullshit.

[Firelie]

why is this in an INTJ forum? astronomy is bullshit.

Because someone was interested to see if there was any sort of connection to personality traits, I'd imagine.

[v1cious]

why is this in an INTJ forum? astronomy is bullshit.

Because someone was interested to see if there was any sort of connection to personality traits, I'd imagine.

did you read the second sentence of the post? that was exactly my point. astronomy is bullshit; this thread is on the same level as asking whether there's a correlation between MBTI and eye color.

[Jon]

why is this in an INTJ forum? astronomy is bullshit.

This thread is about Astrology.

[v1cious]

why is this in an INTJ forum? astronomy is bullshit.

This thread is about Astrology.

ha, my mistake.

nevertheless, statement about astrology being completely nonsensical stands.

[Jezebel]

I don't understand how people could take it seriously either, but this is taking this thread a bit off topic... I made a new one here for those who would like to discuss this: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[Jack]

So far Water signs are at 38%...Go Water!! :thumbsup:

No Virgo's, Leo's, or Libra's!...Could TRUE INTJ's be under the Water Element?? :suspicious: ;)

[Evalind]

So far Water signs are at 38%...Go Water!! :thumbsup:

No Virgo's, Leo's, or Libra's!...Could TRUE INTJ's be under the Water Element?? :suspicious: ;)

...a Leo has arrive. 8-)

[deicruxified]

so... i kinda looked at all the results and it seems that everyone here is mixed nuts... so no clear and distinct correlation to the claim... i'm just thinking as per result but then again it may vary... i'm still open...

an intj is an intj... whether you belong to any group or whatever

[generalowk]

Libra here, and I do tend to a lot of "Libra" traits.

Not that I put any stock in astology overall.

[Panthera]

Another Leo here. Astrology is alot more involved than just answering "what is your sign?" A person's sign is just a part of the whole picture. If you go deep into it and perhaps get your entire horoscope analysed, you can see that it is not quite as vague as alot of people think. I am not saying that it is a sure-fire way to analyse yourself, of course there are going to be differences, but I really don't think it is any less accurate than myers briggs. Myers Briggs uses only 4 categories and each category has only two choices, and look how many similarities there are between all of us. We scored the same combination of letters, a one in sixteen chance. If you analysed yourself through astrology properly, there are 11 planets (including the sun and moon) and a choice of twelve different signs that these planets could fall into. Expecting that all sagittarius's or all libras should be exactly the same is like saying that all 8 personality types that begin with I should be exactly the same.

[logan235711]

hah! another Aquarius :D we're taking over the INTJ world! begone you stinky Geminis!

[GOD]

Can't believe a bunch of "rationals" can even bothered talking about the zodiac signs... sheeze... might as well bring out the "runes"...

Hell... lets burn some witches at the stake...

On a scientific basis... remember there are people in the Southern Hemisphere voting as well... unless you believe the zodiac has nothing to do with the seasons... what then???

I think we've got a number of xSFx's typing themselves as INTJ's..... :'(

Look at the spring seasonality appearing..... (And thats nature... like all animals..springtime).

[thegnat]

Personally I believe that this proves that there is no correlation. Too scattered. If I were to make a graph of this data it would be so scattered.

[Panthera]

So I ask you God et al...Why CAN'T astrology be a valid way of assigning personality traits to a person?
A rational is someone who thinks things through, considers all sides of the topic and comes to a "rational" decision about said topic.
I find it rather ironic that almost everyone is anti-astrology, yet everyone here believes in the validity of the myers briggs system of classification. How are they different?

[thegnat]

So I ask you God et al...Why CAN'T astrology be a valid way of assigning personality traits to a person?
A rational is someone who thinks things through, considers all sides of the topic and comes to a "rational" decision about said topic.
I find it rather ironic that almost everyone is anti-astrology, yet everyone here believes in the validity of the myers briggs system of classification. How are they different?

Hm. You make a good point. And something for me to analyze.

bwahahaha.

Before I start analysis though, I am a bit skeptical of MBTI, however INTJ fits me pretty much to a T. So here goes:

Bases:
MBTI: Four spectra with poles: I/E N/S T/F J/P=16 personalities total
Astrology: Day you were born. "Under what stars you were born" = 12 personalities total.

Expression:
MBTI: A combination of the four bases. ie INTJ, etc
Astrology: Signs. Taurus, etc.

Most common use:
MBTI: aptitude for career
Astrology: Horoscopes - day to day life! Love! etc.

Determination of personality:
MBTI: a test
Astrology: day you were born.

From this we can say that 16 personalities gives more options, and is therefore more likely to be accurate. More options for more people.
Theoretically MBTI is based off of human characteristics. Astrology is based off the day you were born. Something you can't control. Well I suppose you can't control your personality in some respects - depends if you believe nature or nurture.
Astrology is used every day. Therefore it's going to at least be perceived as more inaccurate.
I think the key thing to the reason we trust MBTI to astrology is due to the determination of the personality. We put more faith in tests that we answer. Your sign won't EVER change your entire life. Your MBTI personality will. Maybe, maybe not, but it can. And it can change due to mood. At least the strength of it. And the strength of your sign won't ever change. The strength option gives the MBTI more accuracy too. You can't be "borderline" on a sign. You're it. You have no choice to be another. Some people might have a weaker J or stronger T than others. This allows for diversity. Thus is more accurate. The more diversity the more accurate.

btw according to blogthings I'm 87% Taurus. INTJ fits me very well. Even though I'm a skeptic of these kinds of things I was like "Oh, maybe it does know what it's talking about". Still relatively skeptic though.

[Panthera]

Well you are right about there being only 12 signs. but the sign you are is only the position of the sun, which is considered one of 11 planets with can all fit into any one of the 12 signs. Like if you are a taurus that is where the sun itself was when you were born. where was the moon, or mercury, or neptune? Or any of the other planets? In order to get a good picture through astrology of what your personality is, all of these questions must be answered. Because of these combinations, there are significantly more than 16 possibilities. Like I said before, when you consider just your sign, it is the same as considering only one of the polarities of the myers briggs. As for changing one's personality, I guess it is possible but only to a certain degree. I think you are what you are and that if you are honest and true to yourself then you cannot change your personality. You can change your actions eg. force yourself to become more feeling or more extrovert, but if you do that are you really being true to yourself? I don't think so.

[thegnat]

Well you are right about there being only 12 signs. but the sign you are is only the position of the sun, which is considered one of 11 planets with can all fit into any one of the 12 signs. Like if you are a taurus that is where the sun itself was when you were born. where was the moon, or mercury, or neptune? Or any of the other planets? In order to get a good picture through astrology of what your personality is, all of these questions must be answered. Because of these combinations, there are significantly more than 16 possibilities. Like I said before, when you consider just your sign, it is the same as considering only one of the polarities of the myers briggs. As for changing one's personality, I guess it is possible but only to a certain degree. I think you are what you are and that if you are honest and true to yourself then you cannot change your personality. You can change your actions eg. force yourself to become more feeling or more extrovert, but if you do that are you really being true to yourself? I don't think so.

Well I don't know shit about ZODIAC signs and I barely researched. It's not worth my time and effort.

In the end though, you're talking about forces from the Sun, and the 9 planets (yes I'm including Pluto! I like Pluto!)

The sun is 93 MILLION miles away. It's the only one that really affects the Earth's orbit because it is so massive. The other planets aren't close enough or have enough mass to have much of an effect. Massive relative to the Earth that is. With gravitational physics to work one needs to be considerably more massive than the other. ie Sun v Earth, Earth v Moon, etc. And of course the radius (distance) has to be appropriate. And that's just gravity. It's not even some weird personality force.

The distances for the planets are very very far away from you, as a person. Why should the planets affect who I am?

The planets sure don't give a damn about me. Or the way they're aligned when someone or some animal is born.

As for changing personality: Then we get into the debate, what *is* personality? your *absolute absolute* core? Or your day to day moods/act/etc?

Of course if you're true to yourself you won't change. Though perhaps life views will change as major events occur?

But your strength percentages will change day to day. Is I suppose what I mean by saying personality changes. It allows flexibility for day to day life.

[Panthera]

thegnat, I can see your point on the day to day change. there is an allowable range for variation from day to day. but it is small compared to the differences between say an extroverted day for an introvert and a real true extrovert.

As for the planets not having an effect because they are too far away, I don't buy it. You are thinking from a perspective of a human (obviously :)) and if you were to think in terms of the entire universe then you'd see that the distances form earth to the other planets are very close compared to that of other stars. So it is in fact possible to be affected by the planets in our solar system.

[Rei]

thegnat, I can see your point on the day to day change. there is an allowable range for variation from day to day. but it is small compared to the differences between say an extroverted day for an introvert and a real true extrovert.

As for the planets not having an effect because they are too far away, I don't buy it. *You are thinking from a perspective of a human (obviously :)) and if you were to think in terms of the entire universe then you'd see that the distances form earth to the other planets are very close compared to that of other stars. So it is in fact possible to be affected by the planets in our solar system.

My main argument is...
I can identify with pretty much part of the personality description of every zodiac sign... but I can't with MBTI. *I've definately met people who are a certain sign and don't match to the sign description at all. *Where as with MBTI, they work with what's already there.
I need empirical proof.

In Zodiac-assigned personalities, they claim that the positions of the planets when you were born effect your personality. *Where's the proof?
Where as in MBTI, they don't try to tell you what effects your personality, they simply catagorize it. *Besides, I don't use MBTI as a "For sure, this is what so-and-so's personality is and I can assume this, this, this, and that about him/her." *I just use it to generally organize what I already think of the person. Usually just how they function, as opposed to the personality in itself since I must admit, there's something MBTI is missing... Perhaps it just has to do with the strength of preferences, but I haven't had the time to look through everyone's strength of preferences to figure it out yet.

[thegnat]

thegnat, I can see your point on the day to day change. there is an allowable range for variation from day to day. but it is small compared to the differences between say an extroverted day for an introvert and a real true extrovert.

As for the planets not having an effect because they are too far away, I don't buy it. You are thinking from a perspective of a human (obviously :)) and if you were to think in terms of the entire universe then you'd see that the distances form earth to the other planets are very close compared to that of other stars. So it is in fact possible to be affected by the planets in our solar system.

Wow. Did you EVER take ANY science courses? Human to human gravitational attraction doesn't exist! And more! Which I shall get to!

Let me ask you this:
If the planets are relatively close according to the Universe then why don't our outer planets exhibit weird behavior as presumably they are nearer to other systems? They should be going by Universal laws right? Even the same with our Solar System. Why don't the planets affect each other more if they're obeying Universal laws?

If the planets *here (in our solar system)* don't affect other *planets (in our solar system)* why should they affect us human beings? Which are *so* strongly controlled by Earth's gravitational pull it's kind of ridiculous. We're Earthlings, rotating around the Earth's axis with Earth at the same speed. We have no choice but to obey Earth's laws (of physics and gravity that is). I can bet you that the planets don't even know we exist or even care. Hell we can't even change Earth's physical laws or gravitational laws. If we don't have an effect on earth why would we have an effect on other planets? And if we don't have an effect on other planets why should they have an effect on us? Yes, Earth does, but that's because we *live* on Earth. We're essentially part of Earth. Yet even Earth doesn't care about us.

Do you think that the rest of the galaxies really know or care that the Milky Way even exists?

No. IMO Astrology's crap. And anything you say won't get you to change my mind. Sorry. Where's the science? Can't you tell me what physical entity coming from the planets is affecting us? Gravity? Some other force? This has been around for nearly as long as humans have. No scientist has found anything to say that astrology is valid. Scientists however have proved the validity of many other things. Astrology was created in the day way way way way way before true science.

And then how does it affect our DNA? We're biologically pre-made. Personality's going to be inherent. You're going to be practically born an INTJ, you'll have pre-dispositions that if around enough triggers you'll fully develop to be an INTJ. Now of course this is nature vs nurture but I personally believe Nature plays a Strong role. What gives us a brain? DNA. What gives us the ability to consciously think? DNA. Not some planet. What gives us this ability to analyze? DNA. How is our DNA formed? Parents' DNA. NOT A PLANET. NOT THE SUN.

Now I'm stopping because I feel like Astrology is something that is just a waste of brain cells to think about.

[Santana28]

I'm a Pisces Sun, Sagittarius Moon and Sagittarius Rising ;) I'm all sorts of confused!

[Meyer]

Sagitarius does fit surprisingly well. Probably horseshit though.

[stasis]

Can't believe a bunch of "rationals" can even bothered talking about the zodiac signs... sheeze... might as well bring out the "runes"...
That's what I was thinking. I always cringe a little when I find people correlating MBTI with astrology and casually intertwining the two as if they were of the same substance. Drags the whole thing down by association.

[lucki]

I think Jung's archetype and type theory is at least in part motivated by mythology, so it's probably not surprising that people are interested in the correlation. I doubt that people's birthdate have a strong correlation with the personality, but the different symbols associated with zodiac signs are archetypal (i.e. fire representing emotion water with intuition, air with thinking or dual nature of gemini, etc), and so it is not surprising that people who are interested in MBTI are at least interested in the symbolism part of the zodiac signs.

[mind_wander]

So far Water signs are at 38%...Go Water!! :thumbsup:

No Virgo's, Leo's, or Libra's!...Could TRUE INTJ's be under the Water Element?? :suspicious: ;)

Yeah, maybe the water sign means the perfect balance, for the INTJ; the old, "Ying/Yang." We can be cold, as ice or we can be warm; or we can be one really pissed off tidal wave. overall, I think the water element, really represent me; water is also the symbol of continuous life. All life depends on water, so that means in this world without INTJ's, this planet would be lifeless because we try to find the right solution, for the given problem.

[deicruxified]

lol... i'm an air sign and it says air signs are air heads... lol but e people. lolz... i'm also a fire tiger and it says i'm extrovert but i do find the "unpredictable" side a match

[bubbles]

I voted scorpio and now scorpio has the most. This is interesting but isn't really related to astrology but so far:

winter: 3
spring: 5
fall: 9
summer: 4

But I still don't believe there's a correlation.

[Ijz]

Its all mumbo jumbo if you ask me.

But you never know, "Leo" for me. :)

[mind_wander]

I'm a capricorn, it does called out in big letters: INTJ.

[Maitri1970]

i came across with an intj (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) article and a question was asked about zodiac signs having to do with mbti...so i'm just curious

i'm a gemini for everyone's info and as per gemini profile, we are extroverts but not sure with expressing ideas or just being a loud mouth. but i also see a lot of commonalities with the intj pro and gemini like being critical etc...

so what's everyone's sign? do you see common traits with being an intj?


I'm a Gemini, as well. My sun is in the 8th house though so I'm more curious about research and investigation than in socializing. I'm more intellectually curious than the social butterfly that Gemini is usually described as.

[King K]

I'm an Aquarius, but to be honest I'm kinda skeptic about this stuff.

[Hdier]

With nothing being more that 20%, it is safe to say that there is no correlation.

BTW, does anyone know what a Capricorn is?

[Antares]

Pisces. I've heard that they are ruled by emotions. There seems to be a lot of Scorpios...

Well you are right about there being only 12 signs. but the sign you are is only the position of the sun, which is considered one of 11 planets with can all fit into any one of the 12 signs. Like if you are a taurus that is where the sun itself was when you were born. where was the moon, or mercury, or neptune? Or any of the other planets? In order to get a good picture through astrology of what your personality is, all of these questions must be answered. Because of these combinations, there are significantly more than 16 possibilities. Like I said before, when you consider just your sign, it is the same as considering only one of the polarities of the myers briggs. As for changing one's personality, I guess it is possible but only to a certain degree. I think you are what you are and that if you are honest and true to yourself then you cannot change your personality. You can change your actions eg. force yourself to become more feeling or more extrovert, but if you do that are you really being true to yourself? I don't think so.

There are actually thirteen signs in the cycle. Ophiuchus the Serpent Wrestler is the thirteenth sign that happens at the end of the year, if I'm not wrong. Astrologers found it convenient to ignore it, funnily enough.

With nothing being more that 20%, it is safe to say that there is no correlation.

BTW, does anyone know what a Capricorn is?

It's called The Goat and is the tenth sign of the zodiac (or eleventh if you count Ophiuchus). The actual constellation's name is Capricornus, just as Scorpio is actually Scorpius. I don't get why there's a difference, though.

[mind_wander]

With nothing being more that 20%, it is safe to say that there is no correlation.

BTW, does anyone know what a Capricorn is?

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[uberosity]

Sagittarius... but I find this discussion highly ironic

[danalaina]

So I ask you God et al...Why CAN'T astrology be a valid way of assigning personality traits to a person?
A rational is someone who thinks things through, considers all sides of the topic and comes to a "rational" decision about said topic.
I find it rather ironic that almost everyone is anti-astrology, yet everyone here believes in the validity of the myers briggs system of classification. How are they different?

uhm. because astrology tells us people will behave in a certain fashion based on something pretty arbitrary. sign defines traits.

MBTI is just categorization based on traits that already exist. traits define type.

the two don't compare.

[Antares]

uhm. because astrology tells us people will behave in a certain fashion based on something pretty arbitrary. sign defines traits.

MBTI is just categorization based on traits that already exist. traits define type.

the two don't compare.

I find that I'm quite unlike my natal chart's description of me. Could that be one of the reasons why people are 'anti-astrology'?

[lowbrass]

I'm a virgo and INTJ. Being a virgo on top of INTJ is to throw gas on the fire of social awkwardness. It also over-amplifies the worst extremes of our usual temperaments.

Taken separately, these two classifications are just so damn similar, it's sickening. I mean that, literally and figuratively.

I'm taking a bunch of stuff from This site I quickly googled (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and paraphrasing:

- refinement: Yes. backed by INTJ research
- fastidious love of cleanliness: see below
- hygiene and good order: definitely
- conventionality and aristocratic attitude of reserve: check
- observant, shrewd, critically inclined, judicious: hell yes
- patient: not really a virtue of mine
- practical supporters of the status quo: no, not THE status quo, but MINE
- conservatism in all departments of life: for me, political thinking, only
- On the surface they are emotionally cold: duh; undeveloped F aspect
- make few relationships: this is too true, and it kills my spirit

But the outward lack of feeling may, in some individuals born under this sign, conceal too much emotion, to which they are afraid of giving way because they do not trust others, nor do they have confidence in themselves and their judgments. This is because they are conscious of certain shortcomings in themselves of worldliness, of practicality, of sophistication and of outgoingness. So they bring the art of self concealment to a high pitch, hiding their apprehensiveness about themselves and their often considerable sympathy with other people under a mantle of matter-of-factness and undemonstrative, quiet reserve. They are still waters that run deep. Yet in their unassuming, outwardly cheerful and agreeable fashion, they can be sensible, discreet, well spoken, wise and witty, with a good understanding of other people's problems which they can tackle with a practicality not always evident in their own personal relationships.

With respect to this, it's true that I can conceal a lot of emotion, but I am definitely confident in my judgments. Not so confident in my social endeavors. Of course, I'm totally aware of what my shortcomings are. I take the self-concealment thing a step further with compartmentalization.

...their love making is a perfection of technique rather than the expression of desire, and they must be careful not to mate with a partner whose sex drive requires a passion they cannot match.

Unfortunately, this is true, too. Except that last part about not matching passion. Naturally, I am about mastering technique, and if it's about sex and providing my mate stimulation, you can bet your ass I'll find a way to satisfy that drive. It's way more than merely being a human jackhammer.

There's a lot more that I don't feel like hashing out right now (it's late) but I'll skip to the end:

Their faults, as is usual with all zodiacal types, are the extremes of their virtues. Fastidious reticence and modesty become old-maidishness and persnicketiness; balanced criticism becomes carping and nagging; and concern for detail becomes overspecialization. Virgoans are liable to indecision in wider issues and this can become chronic, turning molehills of minor difficulties into Himalayas of crisis. Their prudence can become guile and their carefulness, turned in on themselves, can produce worriers and hypochondriacs.

I think many of us on this forum can relate to the things that are mentioned in your typical virgo write-up. Enough, I think, that the damn sign is nearly a doppelganger for INTJ.

[Paul V]

I'm a virgo and INTJ. Being a virgo on top of INTJ is to throw gas on the fire of social awkwardness. It also over-amplifies the worst extremes of our usual temperaments.

Another Virgo here. You are right. It's really, really hard to have very intensely expressed INTJ traits. But oh, well.

[Uberfuhrer]

I made my correlations at *****:

WATER, NF (intuitive and emotional)
Cancer: ENFJ, INFJ
Scorpio: ENFP
Pisces: INFP

AIR, NT (intellectual and logical)
Gemini: ENTP, INTP
Libra: ENTJ
Aquarius: INTJ

EARTH, SJ (practical and stable)
Taurus: ISTJ
Virgo: ESFJ, ISFJ
Capricorn: ESTJ

FIRE, SP (spontaneous and enthusiastic)
Aries: ISTP
Leo: ESFP, ISFP
Sagittarius: ESTP

I highly doubt if there is a correlation between type and people of sign, but it is clear that type can easily be connected to the four classical elements used in astrology.

I think astrology, when scrutinized in depth (using birth charts), is often very descriptive of my general personality. But sun signs are just the tip of the iceberg.

My correlation has more to do with what the zodiac symbols mean.

As for the high number of Virgos here, I think that has more to do with the fact more people are born during the summer.

(However, I am a socionics ENTp and a Gemini rising -- some believe that a socionics type is indicative of a person's rising sign.)

[Jgib5328]

Well judging from the poll, there is no correlation. Astrology is wacky anyways.

[MintNut]

I'm a Libra.

It saddens me that so many of these posts are anti-astrology and resort to words like wacky, ridiculous, and pseudoscience. There are just as many people out there (ummm.. Tom Cruise and Scientologists come immediately to mind) who don't consider psychology as a science or believe in personality typing.

[Antares]

Another Virgo here. You are right. It's really, really hard to have very intensely expressed INTJ traits. But oh, well.

Hm... How that I think about it, it makes sense, actually... I have a lot of Virgo traits... But how did I become like my opposite sign?





Camelopardalis added to this post, 2 minutes and 15 seconds later...

I'm a Libra.

It saddens me that so many of these posts are anti-astrology and resort to words like wacky, ridiculous, and pseudoscience. There are just as many people out there (ummm.. Tom Cruise and Scientologists come immediately to mind) who don't consider psychology as a science or believe in personality typing.

Maybe, they are the adjectives we choose to use because it actually describes Astrology in some way, or we can associate the same branch of study to these words. I don't pretend to know for sure whether it is valid, but 'pseudoscience' is the impression it's giving me right now.

[Paul V]

Hm... How that I think about it, it makes sense, actually... I have a lot of Virgo traits... But how did I become like my opposite sign?

I'd kill to meet a Pisces in real life. They're so mysterious and easy-going. And most of them are really naïve and innocent, something I truly love in a person.

But you've probably spent a lot of time being an INTJ, and switched over to the other side.

[Antares]

I'd kill to meet a Pisces in real life. They're so mysterious and easy-going. And most of them are really naïve and innocent, something I truly love in a person.

But you've probably spent a lot of time being an INTJ, and switched over to the other side.

I still have that innocent look about me :D My parents would look at me when I'm making a face and laugh because I look silly. Just look at your teachers with imploring, wide and innocent eyes and good grades flow in like the waters of Amazon. I think personality-wise, I'm a cross-over between Scorpio and Virgo.

[xanodel]

Am I the first Aries INTJ to post here?

There's no correlation between MBTI and sun signs. And it's equally stupid to say because one aspect of astrology doesn't fit, the rest of astrology won't fit, since astrology isn't just sun signs (which Aries etc are). That's like saying if you're not of Japanese descent you can't possibly be Asian. Without an understanding of the total picture of both MBTI and astrology, how can you argue that there isn't a correlation and it's wacky, or to be fair, vice versa?

[Paul V]

I still have that innocent look about me :D My parents would look at me when I'm making a face and laugh because I look silly. Just look at your teachers with imploring, wide and innocent eyes and good grades flow in like the waters of Amazon. I think personality-wise, I'm a cross-over between Scorpio and Virgo.

I can confirm that theory. Somehow, there's something in my face that just aligns itself when I make my "puppy eyes", and people just start to do what I ask them to do, regardless of how irrational it is. But I feel slightly disgusted at myself when I do it. So much control over someone has to be immoral.

[Antares]

I can confirm that theory. Somehow, there's something in my face that just aligns itself when I make my "puppy eyes", and people just start to do what I ask them to do, regardless of how irrational it is. But I feel slightly disgusted at myself when I do it. So much control over someone has to be immoral.

That's why I don't do that often. I start to feel guilty after a while if a teacher makes exceptions for me. Most of the time, if I want something done, I do it the 'hard' way, through reasoning and sometimes nagging when faced with a crowd of lazy laggers. Say, if one person seriously lazes around and does nothing, I'm sorry. But I explode at them. "This is due next class. If you don't have that done by then, I'm going to explain to Mr. Cook exactly why we are missing this portion of the project, because logically, you should be the only one getting their marks hacked for this. We've reminded you enough." I don't know... It somehow hurts my pride to 'baby' them into doing their work. I think sometimes one would say that I'm the 'disciplinarian'. I'm surprisingly good at getting people to work, and people are often caught off guard at my 'strictness', because all in all, this trait of mine somehow doesn't fit my baby face.

[Paul V]

That's why I don't do that often. I start to feel guilty after a while if a teacher makes exceptions for me. Most of the time, if I want something done, I do it the 'hard' way, through reasoning and sometimes nagging when faced with a crowd of lazy laggers. Say, if one person seriously lazes around and does nothing, I'm sorry. But I explode at them. "This is due next class. If you don't have that done by then, I'm going to explain to Mr. Cook exactly why we are missing this portion of the project, because logically, you should be the only one getting their marks hacked for this. We've reminded you enough." I don't know... It somehow hurts my pride to 'baby' them into doing their work. I think sometimes one would say that I'm the 'disciplinarian'. I'm surprisingly good at getting people to work, and people are often caught off guard at my 'strictness', because all in all, this trait of mine somehow doesn't fit my baby face.

I just stopped caring. If they don't do their part, I'll either say that to the teacher or just do it myself, and make a mental note never to speak to that moron again. Which is why I am so grateful high school's finally over.

[Cookabara]

Panthera, most esoteric teachings have profane versions that are easy to swallow. They doesn't do a service to the original teaching. I can understand ancient shamans keeping the knowledge secret. Simplistic substitutes can discredit even the best ideas.

Speaking of which, how do we prove the truthfulness of a theory? If it is the statistical analysis, astrology has a few millennia worth of data, while MBTI just a few decades.

It is easy to brush off something that you don't even understand.
Capricorn by the way

[DeadSpace]

virgo

[Santana28]

I'd kill to meet a Pisces in real life. They're so mysterious and easy-going. And most of them are really naïve and innocent, something I truly love in a person.

But you've probably spent a lot of time being an INTJ, and switched over to the other side.

Try being a Pisces INTJ! It sucks!

Actually, i've come to loathe Pisces... we seem to attract each other. Its a flighty depressionfest, let me tell you. Go to a Goth concert and look for the ugly chicks in fishnets and face paint and you'll probably find your fair share of us. And i can tell you from firsthand experience - there is nothing worse than a Pisces-Pisces relationship!

I would agree with naive, but not so innocent... its called playing the victim. every Pisces i know has always played the victim, and when the claws come out.... WATCH OUT. Histrionics... yeah.

I'm just thankful that i may have a Pisces Sun, but I'm a Sagittarius at heart ;)

[BlueTopaz]

why is this in an INTJ forum? astronomy is bullshit.

Well, astrology is bullshit, astronomy is not.

I'm a Libra.

It saddens me that so many of these posts are anti-astrology and resort to words like wacky, ridiculous, and pseudoscience. There are just as many people out there (ummm.. Tom Cruise and Scientologists come immediately to mind) who don't consider psychology as a science or believe in personality typing.

Um, can you show me some empirical studies that back up any of the information garnered from astrology? And you're correct about MB typing. It isn't hard science either.

[Paul V]

Try being a Pisces INTJ! It sucks!

Actually, i've come to loathe Pisces... we seem to attract each other. Its a flighty depressionfest, let me tell you. Go to a Goth concert and look for the ugly chicks in fishnets and face paint and you'll probably find your fair share of us. And i can tell you from firsthand experience - there is nothing worse than a Pisces-Pisces relationship!

I would agree with naive, but not so innocent... its called playing the victim. every Pisces i know has always played the victim, and when the claws come out.... WATCH OUT. Histrionics... yeah.

I'm just thankful that i may have a Pisces Sun, but I'm a Sagittarius at heart ;)

Pisces-Pisces sounds madly depressing, yes. But it's been said that opposites attract, and Pisces' opposite is Virgo. Though I don't see most Pisces as my opposites. I see them as having the same motivations than I have, only with different approaches at how to achieve them.

[BlueTopaz]

DNA. NOT A PLANET. NOT THE SUN.


And let's not forget about the procession of the equinoxes. How do explain that astrologists?

[spiritdetectivegirl]

Taurus. And I hate how we can be represented sometimes. Though I'm more of Taurus in the physical sense, as in I fit the bodily discription, mostly.

[Santana28]

Pisces-Pisces sounds madly depressing, yes. But it's been said that opposites attract, and Pisces' opposite is Virgo. Though I don't see most Pisces as my opposites. I see them as having the same motivations than I have, only with different approaches at how to achieve them.

Its odd because i have this really odd almost psychic connection with the Scorpios in my life... Libras and I hit it off instantly, and i share similar interests and can carry on great conversations somewhat with Pisces. Geminis and Aries seem to be attracted to me, though i find them generally repulsive and run the other way. Other than that, i really haven't had any semblance of a relationship with a person of another sign. They're all Libras, Pisces, or Scorpios. Talk about drama :)

I can honestly say i have never known any Virgos. I'd like to meet one, or a Sag.

[Paul V]

Its odd because i have this really odd almost psychic connection with the Scorpios in my life... Libras and I hit it off instantly, and i share similar interests and can carry on great conversations somewhat with Pisces. Geminis and Aries seem to be attracted to me, though i find them generally repulsive and run the other way. Other than that, i really haven't had any semblance of a relationship with a person of another sign. They're all Libras, Pisces, or Scorpios. Talk about drama :)

I can honestly say i have never known any Virgos. I'd like to meet one, or a Sag.

I know at least 1 person of each sign.

My best friend is a Leo, and he's pretty much the stereotype. He has the same infatuation you have for Scorpios. I personally hate them. I've always been either betrayed or annoyed to no end by one (My mother, and two friends. Mother annoys me, both friends crossed me). Hence my 'extra' distrust against them.

The only Pisces I know is a really nice girl about my age, who got pregnant last year. She's really kind, but ditzy. She has an older sister that got pregnant at age 16. Talk about following the wrong examples.

My ENTJ aunt is a Saggitarius, and she's the best person to be around if you want to have fun. Yes, I definetely recommend you to meet Sags, specially if you like travelling or being on the move.

[denaria]

I don't belive in astrology and therefore am intensely irritated by the fact that I have an almost perfect Virgo personality, judging by the back of my coffee mug. My children howled with laughter when they read it and said that the writer obviously knew me intimately. As he was Nicholas Culpeper and lived nearly 400 years ago...surely they can't think I'm THAT old?

[coffeeloverfreak]

Astrological personalities are specifically written to be as vague and universal as possible, so people who are predisposed to believe will find things in every description that "fit". It's no more scientific than spitting in the wind, of course, and has about the same amount of evidence to support it. But hey, there are always people who will believe what they want to believe.

[Santana28]

Astrological personalities are specifically written to be as vague and universal as possible, so people who are predisposed to believe will find things in every description that "fit". It's no more scientific than spitting in the wind, of course, and has about the same amount of evidence to support it. But hey, there are always people who will believe what they want to believe.

i'm not so sure about that. the things i have seen are VERY specific. i'm not talking your every day horoscope posted in the newspaper, i'm talking a full out reading. i'm not sure how much weight i put into it, but similar to the MBTI profiles, i find it too striking to simply ignore.

[Antares]

i'm not so sure about that. the things i have seen are VERY specific. i'm not talking your every day horoscope posted in the newspaper, i'm talking a full out reading. i'm not sure how much weight i put into it, but similar to the MBTI profiles, i find it too striking to simply ignore.

I've had my natal chart done by many sites (Yes, they're free), and so far they've managed to accuse me of being close-minded and fundamentalist, flirty and disloyal in love, and often changes partners. That is as far from the truth as it could get.

[Santana28]

I've had my natal chart done by many sites (Yes, they're free), and so far they've managed to accuse me of being close-minded and fundamentalist, flirty and disloyal in love, and often changes partners. That is as far from the truth as it could get.

well, like i said... i can't speak for you, but mine have been dead on down to the last detail - for me, and other people in my life.

actually... heres the thing. when i was younger i was personality-wise as much a complete opposite as my horoscope as possible. i was a complete contradiction. i saw that and thought they were bunk.

now years later, i have grown and matured and i've shed many other aspects of my personality that were basically scars and not the real "me" - and my horoscopes describe my personality to a T now. its night and day. it took a while, but looking back it was easy to see why i was so different and now that i am healthier and more sure of *who* i am, i now match the reading descriptions whereas i did not before. perhaps you still have a ways to grow?

[iMiki]

I'm a Virgo.

[Mr Galt]

The Zodiac is a good example of using a personality theory to diagnose personality instead of measure it. Doesn't work.

[Antares]

well, like i said... i can't speak for you, but mine have been dead on down to the last detail - for me, and other people in my life.

actually... heres the thing. when i was younger i was personality-wise as much a complete opposite as my horoscope as possible. i was a complete contradiction. i saw that and thought they were bunk.

now years later, i have grown and matured and i've shed many other aspects of my personality that were basically scars and not the real "me" - and my horoscopes describe my personality to a T now. its night and day. it took a while, but looking back it was easy to see why i was so different and now that i am healthier and more sure of *who* i am, i now match the reading descriptions whereas i did not before. perhaps you still have a ways to grow?

Perhaps. I should be less judgmental of things I do not understand completely. After all, who knows where life will take me in a few years? I could be very different.

[Anon722]

This is funny, You will be able to calculate your childs personality by carefully chosing the moment of it's conception. Well... It is funnier than raising and educating them. :P

Come on!

Do you really think this is based on reallity?

[Santana28]

This is funny, You will be able to calculate your childs personality by carefully chosing the moment of it's conception. Well... It is funnier than raising and educating them. :P

Come on!

Do you really think this is based on reallity?

i dont know anything about it, other than it is amazingly accurate from what i've seen. thats the only judgement statement i feel comfortable making about it.

of course, who am i to know everything? but i'm not going to simply ignore something because i dont understand it.

[punkyplatypus]

i'm sagittarius
i never really paid attention to zodiacs since they're basically random matchings, until i started hanging out with this one chick who's really into zodiacs and she sort of got me looking at them. it seems like sag and intjs are pretty similar in that they're both supposed to be independent, confident, intelligent, impatient, honest, and reliable. sometimes i even have those adventurous and temperamental feelings, but usually only when someone pushes me. it's interesting and weird, but correlation isn't causation. so i don't really put too much stock into it......not that it doesn't make me wonder.

[Kuriozidee]

i came across with an intj (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) article and a question was asked about zodiac signs having to do with mbti...so i'm just curious

i'm a gemini for everyone's info and as per gemini profile, we are extroverts but not sure with expressing ideas or just being a loud mouth. but i also see a lot of commonalities with the intj pro and gemini like being critical etc...

so what's everyone's sign? do you see common traits with being an intj?
From the Sag perspective, I am not typical since I am an INTJ. Sag is a fire sign and most are happy, outgoing individuals...I have my moments but I generally am more introspective than outgoing and although I enjoy watching people, I don't necessarily want to interject myself into their circles. I know a few true blooded Sagittarians and they fit the type right down to the tail of the centaur. I have noticed, tho', that most people that fall right into an astrological stereotype usually have birthdays right in the middle of that particular sign, which may lend some credibility to the 'cusp' theory. I, for example, am more towards the Capricorn end of the spectrum, with Capricorn as my rising sign, and I seem to have certain traits that would be more fitting for a Capricorn...i.e. natural business sense. I also have alot of Gemini representation and Gemini's like Sag's are drawn toward music and intellectual stimulation...both of which I am extremely fond of. They also have a nervous energy and tend to be more stressed out when they don't have enough to do... which is definately me. I could go on...
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[Moriarty]

I answered/ voted in the poll despite ranking astrology somewhere between Voodoo and The Force on my personal credibility scale.

The poll results seem to be pretty evenly distributed so far. Best to just let this one go the way of the Dodo.

[suzyk]

I'm Cancer. Both the deadly disease and the sign.

No, it doesn't make any sense. But has life in general ever made sense?

[Tenacious B]

I answered/ voted in the poll despite ranking astrology somewhere between Voodoo and The Force on my personal credibility scale.
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:laugh:


I'm an Aries, some of it applies, some of it doesn't. I once got a popup with a disturbingly accurate horoscope for that day. I followed several horoscope sites for over a year, and it is complete BS. The predictions and personality descriptions are so vague and contradictory that they can apply anywhere. "You may meet someone new today, or visit with old friends." The weather man does the same thing "it might rain this afternoon, but it will be dry if it doesn't":laugh:

The daily predictions from several sites often contradicted one another, and they generally recycle the same vague phrases on a regular basis.

Might as well use a uiji board or magic 8 ball.

[searcher]

hah! another Aquarius :D we're taking over the INTJ world! begone you stinky Geminis!

Excuse me? I am not in any way stinky.
By the way, why are there so many of us who not only know our sun sign but also know our moon and rising signs? (I take it sun is the commonly used one).
Shouldn't we, being rational and intelligent, just regard it as the bull it is?

[Joxstrap]

I think horoscopes are a whole load of crock, as ambiguous as they are positive and for a long time i thought that zodiac signs were as well, but my father has an uncanny ability to guess people's zodiac signs. He does not even have to talk to them or anything, just by looking at them, about 8/10 times he will guess right. I'm not sure how he does it, and he can't explain it very well other than the fact that he studied a lot about that kind of stuff back when he was in university, and used it as a way of picking up chicks. Perhaps it is not a personality correlation, as the data on the chart above seems to suggest, but rather the manner in which someone composes themselves/physically appears.

[Victoria Silver]

ACK! Astrology...pseudoscience....


...Aquarius. Not that the location of the earth in its orbit at the time of my birth will have anything to do with anything.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Another skeptical Aquarian here.

[azelismia]

i dont know anything about it, other than it is amazingly accurate from what i've seen. thats the only judgement statement i feel comfortable making about it.

of course, who am i to know everything? but i'm not going to simply ignore something because i dont understand it.

are you familiar with the forer effect?

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if you are resistant to suggestion you'll see it's faults. if you're receptive you'll say, oh wow that's me!

[OddFactor]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Another skeptical Aquarian here.

Me too. Though, from what I remember, the actual alignment of the stars has shifted from when the zodiac signs were first introduced to the world by the Babylonians, I think. There is a shift every thousands of years so the constellation that we are born under now is not the same as the one that the zodiac was based off of.

[PRBori]

A pisces / Wood Rabbit. I've being intrigue by the sign descriptions and so far they describe me right on... sometimes I can't believe how accurate it is..

Here is my Rabbit Description:
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I like this part:
PISCEAN RABBIT

The Piscean Rabbit is quite a complex person. He is creative and will work best in relaxed, peaceful situations where his creativity can be explored and put to good measure.

I'm certainly very complex and so is my brain.. hehehe..

and Here is my Pisces Description:
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I'm not too sure about about the section below because although I like people, I rather work in a challenging environment like taking computers aparts, analyzing data or something that requires more brain power....

"In the career department, they are better working by themselves than for someone else. Their sympathy equips them for careers in charity, catering to the needy, as a nurse, looking after the sick, or as a veterinarian, caring for animals. They have a love of water, and can be found in work that keeps them near the sea. Pisces creativity includes a natural ability to imitate or mirror another person as well as enter into their feelings. These attributes make them wonderful character actors, and many Pisceans find great fulfillment on stage or in films."

[Antares]

PRBori: I'm a Pisces Rooster. I agree with my water rooster description; it was very accurate. I don't agree with Pisces though; they're unassertive, emotional and compassionate. We're both INTJs, so it's quite strange that you agree with your Pisces description and I don't.

Complex - Agreed
Kindness - Quite depends
Compassion - Hardly
Go with the flow - When I see fit, which isn't a lot of times
Sensitive - asdf
Malleable - I have my principles, thank you.

Oh yes, Rabbit correlates to Pisces, according the site you linked.

Rooster:
Western Counterpart—Virgo

Fair enough

[Starylon]

I'm an Aries. I was very much into astrology a few years back, but then i found MBTI, which more or less took its place (in my mind) along with psychology. I thought astrology was a bit too arbitrary, i guess.

My interest in astrology is still with me tho, and i've been looking for tables of correspondences between the MBTI types and the astrological signs. This (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) was the only satisfactory i could find tho.

I was surprised to see that it suggested a correspondence between Aries and INTJ. I would think that Aries is P or at least E, but what do i know. I try to make my own lineups from time to time, but i find myself stuck or ending up putting them like they did. It just makes my head blow, really... :faint:

[Erika Redmark]

I'm a Sagittarius and it doesn't describe me at all. XD

[f3nr1l]

I'm a Virgo, and yes, almost everything about the Virgo description (a la Wikipedia) matches me spot on. But that's the thing. Everything isn't exceptionally definite, and most people will try not to think of instances that they aren't like the description, but mute those and focus on the times that they are. Many of us on some possibly unconscious level try to sort of "fit in" or "belong", and so will set apart all our characteristics we're told we have, and generally dismiss or not even contemplate instances where we are not like it.

If one reads a daily horoscope booklet, it's really obvious that Astrology is as sensible and empirical as palmistry or numerology. That is to say, they're total gimmicks meant to cause massive monetary profit from naive human tendencies. Do I understand it? Extremely well. All through 8th grade I used Tarot cards to predict peoples' futures for money, and they'd always tell me I was so right about things. There is no difference between any of these arbitrary psuedosciences.

[Skylla]

Pisces.

[Functianalyst]

i came across with an intj (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) article and a question was asked about zodiac signs having to do with mbti...so i'm just curious

i'm a gemini for everyone's info and as per gemini profile, we are extroverts but not sure with expressing ideas or just being a loud mouth. but i also see a lot of commonalities with the intj pro and gemini like being critical etc...

so what's everyone's sign? do you see common traits with being an intj?I am Gemini also, but as some have said here before you have to take into account your moon sign as well. I have never related to the descriptions of the type, but since I was born on May 23 in the wee hours of the morning, Taurus has a great impact on me. I also understand that being born at 0235 hours makes a big difference. Furthermore from my understanding, until age 30 you are more influenced by your ascendant than your sun sign.

Here is a snipet on Gemini/Taurus types:Sun in Gemini/ moon (Taurus)

The combination of your Sun sign and your Moon sign produces one of the most popular personalities in the zodiac. You have the cleverness that attracts friends and a stability that retains them. Both signs are sociable and outgoing, and there is something likable about your easygoing, cool headed intellect that people relate to automatically. Intellectually you are impressive, having practical wisdom to back your broad expansive plans. A natural conversationalist, you are loaded with interesting tidbits of information to share. It is surprising that you can have such a driving personality, able to move mountain in record time under a highly social and charming cover. Your intelligence is unassuming and your driving force of your personality is not readily evident. This lack of pretentiousness makes it even more surprising when you reveal your accomplishment. Your judgment and business sense are inevitably sound and accurate. Your fluent mental ability is underscored by a determination to see any task through to its conclusion, a trait most Gemini fail to possess. Highly understanding of a broad cross section of people, you are rarely fooled or taken in. You are too smart for most people with whom you come into contest, but you won't hurt their feelings by letting them know they have a lot to learn. Your sense for sociability extends to all.Sun in an air sign—Moon in an earth sign

Gemini-Taurus, Gemini-Virgo, Gemini-Capricorn, Libra-Taurus, Libra-Virgo, Libra-Capricorn, Aquarius-Taurus, Aquarius-Virgo, Aquarius-Capricorn.

Aspects: semisextile, square, inconjunct.

They analyze to later make their thoughts come to reality. This pair more than any other tries to give a material shape to its ideas and opinions. Communication tends to the tangible, the analogy with writing in relation to mental concepts being very accurate. An excellent combination for explaining the abstract by bringing it "down to earth", and thus making it accessible to others. The keywords are crystallize and explain.

[d4m45t4]

The Zodiac has nowhere near the credibility as of MBTI. However, I respect the zodiac as having some sort of say in how a person turns out.

It's a given that people of the same MBTI type show similarities to other people of the same type.

I also think people of the same Zodiac sign also show similarities, although not as pronounced as MBTI.

From personal experience, I haven't seen any correlation between a specific personality type being a specific zodiac sign. But I'd hypothesize that people of the same MBTI type and Zodiac sign show remarkable similarities.

Any Sagitarius INTJs want to test this out?

[welshlass]

INTP Aquarius has just voted herself into this poll. Hope none of you mind. Im an Aquarius/Taurus sun/moon combo, all the rest of my Inner planets (Mercury, Venus & Mars) are Aquarius & my Ascendant is Taurus. Outer planets; Jupiter in Gemini, Saturn in Pisces. I know where my planets are because i have a book with all the info in. I have done my profile using this info & the astrology-numerology site. It is remarkable how accurate a lot of it is. However, im not entirely convinced but it's interesting to see other people's reactions when ive done their profiles.

[blckprljinju]

aquarius sun with scorpio moon/asc.

that makes me... an antisocial thinking about destroying the world but act like i want to help the world... or something.

if astrology was to explain my letters, i think it'd be aquarius - IT, scorpio - NJ... i dunno.

i actually studied this stuff a few years ago, and to some extent it makes sense in describing your personality (if you look at the whole chart), but at the same time, it could explain any other person because it is such broad language... that at this point in my life, i do not trust it.

[Seppuku Savant]

I'm Aquarius, but I was prematurely born. I would've been a Taurus. Astrology is strange. I don't put any credence into it.

[LancDash]

I'm a capricorn...meaning I'm really frakked.

Any other INTJ caps out there...

[vanidence]

I am Sagittarius with Ascendant Cancer. Chinese Sign is a Rat. But as far as I see...nope, not many Saggies. xD

[Nikita]

I'm a double Scorpio with an Aries kicker.

[dragonsscout]

Capricorn. There's no correlation whatsoever...

[Gone7]

Aries here.......... haven't really seen that many on here if any but Only the I can compare
is the we have the confidence and the pioneering spirit to do any thing.
And what Aries want Aries get
what intj want intj gets or the puppets get it for them lol *evil smerk


But just an assumption any body else see an pattern of traits ?

[Kuu]

Scorpio.
Looks like it's second by a thread too. xD