Incorrect INTJ typing?(on Yotube videos)

[Hawkx]

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If I had a stab at it:
1st looks like a ESFJ
2nd one looks more like a INFP
3rd one I'll have to go with INFJ


I've noticed that more and more people are being mistyped as an INTJ...
Its weird because there's suppose to be only around 2% out of the whole population.
The next funny situation is that a lot of these seemingly mistyped people are adding videos on youtube.
I protest against this because people who watch those videos then mistype themselves based on that video.

[timeineternity]

I've noticed that more and more people

Meaning what?

[Hawkx]

Meaning what?

Well they're mistyped as INTJs because they are biased or horrible at typing themselves...

[akairo no kuma]

Oh, not the INTJer-than-thou thread again. inb4 flamewar. :popcorn:

[timeineternity]

I've noticed that more and more people are being mistyped as an INTJ...


Well they're mistyped as INTJs because they are biased or horrible at typing themselves...

I'm asking you to clarify what you meant in the first quote, due to the ambiguous nature of the language. For example, are you suggesting that within some recent window of time (the last two weeks for instance) this catastrophe has been sweeping YouTube.com? Or does the noticing "more and more" refer to something different?

[Hawkx]

I'm asking you to clarify what you meant in the first quote, due to the ambiguous nature of the language. For example, are you suggesting that within some recent window of time (the last two weeks for instance) this catastrophe has been sweeping YouTube.com? Or does the noticing "more and more" refer to something different?

Basically what I'm trying to get at is that they're taking tests that are inaccurate. They take the test and get the INTJ result while their cognitive functions are completely different.

[Bonafide]

If anything, the girl is quite possibly the only INTJ on there, the other two are INFJs.

[childofprodigy]

Oh fake INTJs, whether intentional or unintentional, are everywhere....it's all because of Keirsey and his retarded "mastermind" label, which although flattering, leads to many people to start calling themselves INTJs, thinking that it's "cool" even though they obviously have completely different function set from the INTJ function set....

I'd say the number one perpetrator of this are INTPs...being INTs, they actually do have many similarities with INTJs, so it's actually a relatively reasonable mistype...nonetheless I can't help but to facepalm whenever someone puts out the INTJ label while their posts are overflowing with Ti-Ne-Si-Fe...

It's usually INTPs who are n00bish to the MBTI and don't know much about the functions...once they actually learn the functions in depth I doubt that they can continue fooling themselves for too long....especially since INTJ's dominant Ni may piss off INTP's dominant Ti by making so many intuitive leaps that do not necessarily have any logical foundation and insisting that they're 100% true, which (real) INTJs do all the time, but which may irk the INTP's insistence on logical correctness

[thebrainpolice]

I'd say the number one perpetrator of this are INTPs...being INTs, they actually do have many similarities with INTJs, so it's actually a relatively reasonable mistype...nonetheless I can't help but to facepalm whenever someone puts out the INTJ label while their posts are overflowing with Ti-Ne-Si-Fe...


How can you tell what functions someone is using based on their posts? It seems to me that there are huge differences between people of the same type. Just going by this forum OwenF, Indubitably, stasis, and reiven have vastly different interests, attitudes, and communication styles despite them all being INTP.

[Amphorian]

Looks like? As in appearance or how they speak, their motivations, and behaviors (personality)?

Also, I'd like to point out 1-2% means for every a hundred people there are one to two INTJs. There are over 7 billion people living now... and more people are learning about the MBTI so...

[Marcus Septim]

Well they're mistyped as INTJs because they are biased or horrible at typing themselves...

So they are stealing your thunder?

[TheObserver]

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If I had a stab at it:
1st looks like a ESFJ
2nd one looks more like a INFP
3rd one I'll have to go with INFJ


I've noticed that more and more people are being mistyped as an INTJ...
Its weird because there's suppose to be only around 2% out of the whole population.
The next funny situation is that a lot of these seemingly mistyped people are adding videos on youtube.
I protest against this because people who watch those videos then mistype themselves based on that video.

I agree that many people don't type themselves correctly, but what are you going to do about it?

The videos you posted made me laugh a little bit. Perhaps you should just laugh too. I thought the second guy was going to cry when it came to the part where he said not to ask him to talk about his feelings. Ha ha. I wanted to punch the girl in the first video in the face. The last guy had a pretty cool room, but he obviously has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to the functions. A sensor wouldn't like playing with a ball? Really?

[KelvinDjangoTeo]

I believe some people aren't truthful, even to themselves.. they just answer the test to who they want to be not who they really are.

[Auburn]

Neither of those three are INTJs.
I think they are most likely:

#1) ESFP
#2) ISFJ
#3) INTP

[followthehippos]

It happens quite often, I have a hard time trusting youtube videos and it makes me wonder how all this mistyping happens. I honestly believe the tests are insufficient in determining type and what becomes more problematic is individuals begin reading upon on the labels for their type and believe that is what they are. Thus, further entrenching within themselves that they are what they are described to be. If this continues for long an individual may be strongly convinced they are a type they are not. In my opinion this problem needs to be alleviated.

[Auburn]

It happens quite often, I have a hard time trusting youtube videos and it makes me wonder how all this mistyping happens. I honestly believe the tests are insufficient in determining type and what becomes more problematic is individuals begin reading upon on the labels for their type and believe that is what they are. Thus, further entrenching within themselves that they are what they are described to be. If this continues for long an individual may be strongly convinced they are a type they are not. In my opinion this problem needs to be alleviated.

I'm working on a cure as we speak. ;)

[reckful]

As explained in this post (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), this post (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and this post, (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) I see #1 as an NFJ, and I lean E.

As explained in this post (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), I see #2 as an INT and borderline on J/P. Maybe INTj or INTx.

I hadn't seen #3 before. He seems IN_P to me, and maybe not far from the middle on T/F. Maybe INfP.

[Scrotus]

How could #1 NOT be an INTJ? Listen to her talking...she describes INTJs on the dot, then describes how she handles situations EXACTLY how INTJs handle them frequently. Notice her speech...it's very rapid...she also constantly cuts herself off and then starts speaking again with a seemingly corrected/better-worded sentence (trait I see amongst Ni users when they get to talking about something they know quite well)

The only big difference between her and other INTJs is that she has learned...dundundunnnn...BODY LANGUAGE! Yes, yes...the horrid theoretical system of body language and communication. Unlike most INTJs, she seems to have learned how to articulate her internal thoughts into comprehensible words. Shocking, right?

[Findley]

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If I had a stab at it:
1st looks like a ESFJ
2nd one looks more like a INFP
3rd one I'll have to go with INFJ


I've noticed that more and more people are being mistyped as an INTJ...
Its weird because there's suppose to be only around 2% out of the whole population.
The next funny situation is that a lot of these seemingly mistyped people are adding videos on youtube.
I protest against this because people who watch those videos then mistype themselves based on that video.

The second one looks like he has underdeveloped Fi and really developed Se for his inferior functions. He doesnt resemble an INFP to me.

[Amphorian]

So I finally looked at the videos, but my original points still stands.

Anyways, I agree with reckful for#1 who seems more NFJ, if not possibly IFP or ENFP. Her background items make me think EF and how expressive she is of her values and caring make me think FJ. Though her let's pause and be organized in thought and communicating them is quite Ti like, so yeah most like an out going INFJ.

#2 STP most likely ISTP, if not then NTP. He talks about thinking a lot, talks about how he 'hyper actively learns things but not deeply (STPs are notorious for being bright, but not caring about studying 24/7)' then talks how absorbing such gives him a 'bigger picture' (Ni). He also talks a lot about personal growth and doing the video for the benefit of others and himself (Fe). His need to collect, collect and collect information just for the sake of having it is Ti. He also mentions how visual he is and talks about college classes in practical concrete ways (What use is this class for me? Is this necessary? Are there visual and hands on/practical learning?).

#3 keeps on talking about novelty which makes me lean towards IN. He also frames his artwork and lines them up so detailed. Then he has a function list printed on his wall. He's very J like. He's fairly intune with his feelings so that make me think INTJ, compared to say an INTP. Though I'm leaning NTP, INTJ or INFP.

[Bonafide]

Again, only #1 is INTJ. #2 INFP, #3 INFJ

[Auburn]

No. Seriously guys. The first girl is ESFP, or at minimum some form of ES-P.
Take a look at her other videos, all 182 of them. She is consistent through all of them. People like her exist all over youtube; they're explorers (Pe) who have found their niche, their source of interaction, through youtube. It satiates that craving for stimuli enough, and leaves the rest of their energy toward introverted activities. And since they get their stimuli fix from online, they don't really have a big real-world social life, so they won't consider themselves 'extroverts'.

An INTJ would *not* make 182 videos in the span of time she has, with this much energy in each. INTJs don't have that big of a craving for stimuli. But even if they did, they would look differently than she.

Notice how her eyes are open wide, pushed to the brim of her sockets, and animated. They are alert, present, and buoyant. They scan the surroundings as she thinks, locking onto objects in the room, jumping from one to another. That is Se. The eyes of an Ni dominant would be constantly phasing into a trance state, with the upper lid relaxing, giving an appearance of mild boredom and disinterest. What has been nicknamed the "death stare", in essence, is that very Ni dominance.

Some other videos of her to sample:
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[Arguendo]

"It makes me sad that you don't follow my facebook page..."

Definitely a feeler. I don't think an INTJ would go to the great lengths of creating 100s of videos just to gain popularity.

[akairo no kuma]

Notice how her eyes are open wide, pushed to the brim of her sockets, and animated. They are alert, present, and buoyant. They scan the surroundings as she thinks, locking onto objects in the room, jumping from one to another. That is Se. The eyes of an Ni dominant would be constantly phasing into a trance state, with the upper lid relaxing, giving an appearance of mild boredom and disinterest. What has been nicknamed the "death stare", in essence, is that very Ni dominance.

Se is also an INTJ trait, and one that I personally display when I'm placed in a situation wherein I am supposed seem like I am "paying attention" which is exactly the sort of situation that someone recording a YouTube video is in.

I'm not saying that I think that she's an INTJ -- honestly, I've not yet bothered to watch the videos, I'm really just here for the show -- but I am saying that your rationalisation is faulty.

[KelvinDjangoTeo]

"It makes me sad that you don't follow my facebook page..."

Definitely a feeler. I don't think an INTJ would go to the great lengths of creating 100s of videos just to gain popularity.

I have thought of it, but I just won't. I hate that idea.

[Auburn]

Se is also an INTJ trait, and one that I personally display when I'm placed in a situation wherein I am supposed seem like I am "paying attention" which is exactly the sort of situation that someone recording a YouTube video is in.

I'm not saying that I think that she's an INTJ -- honestly, I've not yet bothered to watch the videos, I'm really just here for the show -- but I am saying that your rationalisation is faulty.

Your perception of my rationalization:
1) She has alert, buoyant, animated (etc) Se dominant eyes.
2) Therefore she must be Se dominant.

Your counter:
1) INTJs have Se as well, and can display that alertness/animation in the right situation.
2) Therefore we cannot rule out her being INTJ from that.

My actual rationalization.
1) She has alert, buoyant, animated (etc) Se eyes.
2) She does not have steady, tranced, zoned-out Ni eyes.
3) In 182 youtube videos, in a wide range of topics and situations (like while recording in the marketplace) she is consistently dominated by Se eyes and mentality, and consistently shows not to be dominanted by Ni eyes and mentality.
4) Therefore it's safe to say Se is her natural dominant state.


This is not a theoretical subject. You have to take a look at the data in order to know whether a certain line of reasoning is right or not. You can't just waltz in here and call someone out on their deduction process without even taking a look at the data they're deducing from. imo... :book:

[slug]

#1 Way too animated to be INTJ. SJ or SP probably wouldn't be that interested in personality types. I'm going for NFJ. I have an INFJ friend who was very quiet until she got to know you, then she started talking like this girl does. So she could be I, even though she seems very extroverted in the video. Her easy expression of love (she says she loves everyone, and there's a LOVE sculpture in the background) makes me think F too. She seems very fashion/design oriented, based on clothes and background. I don't know what function that would be, just an observation. I would be interested in hearing an analysis of that.

#2 Reminds me of myself, which is INTJ with a lot of P. I even talk like him. The hyper learning thing but not very deep could be that he feels like he's gotten a pretty good grasp of the subject and doesn't need to know any more. Or at least that's how I would feel about it.

#3 He reminds me of my nephew who's an engineer, but a really sweet nice person. In other words, interested in technology and creative, but not pocket protector/nerd-like. I'm going for INFJ. The J is based on the level of organization in his room. I found him to be the most engaging person of the three.

[scorpiomover]

Vid #1:

Interacts strongly with the audience. Always talking about other people, and her dog. Extrovert.

Looks all over the place. Open to both sides. Perciever.

Builds up her ideas, from conventional concepts, but never expands beyond that. A clear Sensor.

She is giving over HER ideas, but basically the conventional form. Sensor.

Also looks at the details, rather than the overall perspective. Seems like a thinker.

Asks stupid questions about dating, pregnancies, like has no clue about other people. Lacking in F. But has some awareness. Inferior Fe.

Obsessive with computer games. Prone to rage. Forgets to eat. Dominant is S/F. But doesn't get upset at herself. So not F. S-dom.

Does random things, but not to learn. Like an INTP, but not.

My guess: Se-Ti: ESTP

Vid #2:

Interested in only explaining himself. Doesn't much care what people think. Looking away from the camera. Clear Introvert.

ALWAYS thinking. When not thinking, even then, thinking about why not thinking. Clear Thinker. Also clearly dominant function. Classic behaviour of a Ti-dom. Thus, IxTP.

Doubts himself on everything. Also doesn't finish many things. So clearly a P.

Very creative in his music. Very vague. Extremely quick learner, but picking up the general notion, without the complete details. Clearly N.

Learns until he understands, and less worried about accomplishment. INTP.

Seems like an idiot. When INTPs say talk, they are usually have such a radical theory, and just take it for granted, that they come off like someone who hasn't the foggiest of what they are talking about. Classic INTP behaviour.

Vid #3:

Designed his own dream machine. Gave it a go. Got a really great, but unexpected result Very Ne.

Exploring ideas to others, in a very open way. Very P.

Likes active holistic ideas. Very F.

Very wacky. Very aware that he is wacky, but in a comfortable way.

Talks about how HE sees things. What HE has. Sounds like an introvert.

I think INFP.

However, not enough time to really analyse them to death. Like to see what others would find wrong with my analyses, so I can improve them, and myself.

Basically what I'm trying to get at is that they're taking tests that are inaccurate. They take the test and get the INTJ result while their cognitive functions are completely different.Not surprising. MBTI was designed to identify what people would be good at what jobs in the workplace, and so was primarily designed to be tested by objective outsiders.

An example is the J/P distinction. In MBTI, it signifies if your extroverted function, the function that others see, is judging or perceiving. Looking at others IRL, it is obvious to see who is a J, and who is a P. Either they try to get others to change, to accomodate their needs, or they accommodate others' needs, by changing their behaviour. However, on an online test, you are being asked to testify about yourself, and that's your introverted side. So, asking someone if THEY would accommodate others or themselves, would produce the answer of what your introverted function is, and so someone who answers to being a P, could easily be a J in MBTI, and vice versa.

Another problem, is that the questions test common symptoms of the functions, that many assume are the characteristics of a certain type distinction, but really are true for both, and only differ, in HOW they do it. A good example is tidiness, promptness and schedules. It is generally presumed that Js are very schedule-oriented, very prompt, and very tidy, while Ps are very disorganised, very tardy, and very messy. However, there are plenty of Ps who learned that being tidy is very beneficial, and have learned to do so.

Really, to have a proper online test that you can do yourself, you need to ask objective questions, that would yield the same answers whether you answered them, or other people did, AND questions that go right down to the very heart of which type you are, that cannot apply to both types, even if you learned to adapt.

Another reason why so many people type themselves as INTJs, is that as childofprodigy put it, Keirsey and others gave a very flattering but ambiguous description of INTJs, that has high esteem in our society at the moment, viz "the mastermind", "the strategist", "the scientist". Consequently, superiority bias comes into play, and people subconsciously answer online tests, that would reflect the qualities that they would LIKE to hold, that are the characteristics that they believe masterminds, scientists, and master strategists would have, and thus they answer the questions as if they are INTJs, without realising, and, because they are subconsciously biased, and not consciously biased, they think they are not answering the questions in a biased way.

I'd like to see a test that asks questions related to the really negative characteristics of INTJs. I suspect that would weed out the pretenders. However, that might also weed out the INTJs who want to believe those really negative characteristics are NOT true of themselves. Still, it would be an interesting test to take. Might be more accurate.

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Also, question:

Would it be better, for everyone, to get typed, by making a few videos of themselves, and then letting a load of other people vote for their distinctions (I/E, N/S, T/F, and J/P), and then tallying them up? Making typing democratic?

What do you think?

[followthehippos]

Also, question:

Would it be better, for everyone, to get typed, by making a few videos of themselves, and then letting a load of other people vote for their distinctions (I/E, N/S, T/F, and J/P), and then tallying them up? Making typing democratic?

What do you think?They could develop a machine which scans facial movement and all the characteristics of the physical apparatus to determine type.

[Arguendo]

My friends and family accuse me of the "death stare" while I am amidst deep thought contemplating a complex problem. But interestingly, when my thoughts are free flowing (i.e. thinking about thinking) my eyes zoom in and out. They dart back and forth as I take mental pictures of everything in the room. My Se only appears to be dominant because I am constantly taking in visual information. I have a photographic memory. Yet I scored fairly low in Se on the Nardi test, which is fairly consistent with INTJs.

I wouldn't rule out INTJ if a person appears to have high Se.

[Auburn]

They could develop a machine which scans facial movement and all the characteristics of the physical apparatus to determine type.

And we could also develop a neuro maps of the brain activity of all types and test via neural scans. :)



@scorpiomover - I like your analysis. I don't think they're far off in what they're seeing. But, and I find this interesting, your visual deduction process still heavily relied on the four MBTI dimensions/letters, even though you clearly prefer the functions based approach, from the latter half of your post.

I think it's more of a challenge for people to tell apart individual functions, and easier to use those four letters. As you said, MBTI is gauged to identify the most obvious manifested differences in people and not necessarily the most innate. So it's easier to see if a person is "J" (scheduled. tidy. etc) or "P" (untidy. tardy. etc.) or to see if a person is I and E, and so forth.

But functionally, someone who is dominant Ne can come across introverted - et cetera. Instead if one is visually reading via the functions, not letters, then they can still identify a person's type despite these variations. Letter based typing - either visually or in questionnaire - will always only be able to provide so much accuracy (not much) and only in the most obvious and stereotypical of cases.

Would it be better, for everyone, to get typed, by making a few videos of themselves, and then letting a load of other people vote for their distinctions (I/E, N/S, T/F, and J/P), and then tallying them up? Making typing democratic?

What do you think?

Humm, well imo the democratic approach is only really ideal in political situations where the choices are about collective subjective culture of people (i.e. should we legalize weed). Not when the questions are about the truth of a matter. =P

In matters of truth, it's best to leave it to the experts. But of course a team of experts is even better, for some second opinions.
The issue is identifying the experts.

[Hawkx]

Vid #1:
Also, question:

Would it be better, for everyone, to get typed, by making a few videos of themselves, and then letting a load of other people vote for their distinctions (I/E, N/S, T/F, and J/P), and then tallying them up? Making typing democratic?

What do you think?

I would love to show a "real" INTJ room. My room is filled with research books, books, books on theories, and more books.

The only reason why I don't do it is because I just don't like the idea that people will see me on a public website (youtube in particular).

[akairo no kuma]

They could develop a machine which scans facial movement and all the characteristics of the physical apparatus to determine type.

Potentially inaccurate. MBTI is about preferences, not actuality. In theory, one could prefer to use completely the opposite functions of the ones that they use, but circumstances, particularly stressful ones, require them to consistently use non-preferred functions. So, while facial scans and similar could work, they would only work on psychologically healthy individuals who express their preferences honestly, not damaged individuals, or those who change their behaviour or thinking to conform to someone else's standards.

[nowt]

All three are INTJs, if they've typed that way. And really believe it. Same with any type--

Welcome to the forum.

[followthehippos]

Potentially inaccurate. MBTI is about preferences, not actuality. In theory, one could prefer to use completely the opposite functions of the ones that they use, but circumstances, particularly stressful ones, require them to consistently use non-preferred functions. So, while facial scans and similar could work, they would only work on psychologically healthy individuals who express their preferences honestly, not damaged individuals, or those who change their behaviour or thinking to conform to someone else's standards.An INTJs eyes don't change over night.

[Shadizar]

Oh fake INTJs, whether intentional or unintentional, are everywhere....it's all because of Keirsey and his retarded "mastermind" label, which although flattering, leads to many people to start calling themselves INTJs, thinking that it's "cool" even though they obviously have completely different function set from the INTJ function set....

I'd say the number one perpetrator of this are INTPs...being INTs, they actually do have many similarities with INTJs, so it's actually a relatively reasonable mistype...nonetheless I can't help but to facepalm whenever someone puts out the INTJ label while their posts are overflowing with Ti-Ne-Si-Fe...

It's usually INTPs who are n00bish to the MBTI and don't know much about the functions...once they actually learn the functions in depth I doubt that they can continue fooling themselves for too long....especially since INTJ's dominant Ni may piss off INTP's dominant Ti by making so many intuitive leaps that do not necessarily have any logical foundation and insisting that they're 100% true, which (real) INTJs do all the time, but which may irk the INTP's insistence on logical correctness

I was wondering what my fucking problem was... thanks. Wait, isn't this one of those "no true scotsman" thingies.