How I could recognise an INTJ female in life?

[24687531]

:thinking:

[The Rose]

I own The Art of SpeedReading People by Paul Tieger and Barbara Barron-Tieger
They sent me a wallet-sized card to carry with me wherever I go.

Clues for SpeedReading people:

Introverts:
-quiet energy
-talk less
-reflective

Intuitives:
-complex language
-figurative/vague
-35% of population

Thinkers:
-logical
-analytical
-honest

Judgers:
-serious
-decisive
-organized

[The Rose]

More specifically how to spot an INTJ
(also from SpeedReading People by Tieger and Barron)

paraphrased:
INTJs are the most independent of all types.
They tend to be quiet, reserved, cool and formal in their interactions,
unless discussing something at which they specialize.
They are intellectual and spend much time in deep thought.
They tend to dress fairly conservatively.
They may have an individual look since they don’t care what people think.

my own addition-
They are probably dressed for comfort and practicality.

[Firelie]

They probably won't talk to you much, but may spend a lot of time staring at you.

;D

[Tarrick]

They probably won't talk to you much, but may spend a lot of time staring at you.

;D

Oh really? What should we do then? Stare back?

[Firelie]

Nah, you're not supposed to stare at people when they're looking at you. It's not polite.

[Tarrick]

Nah, you're not supposed to stare at people when they're looking at you. It's not polite.

Oh I see. So what? Should I stare first? Or rudely ignore their staring?

[Firelie]

I don't know. I've never had anyone acknowledge the staring, but then, I try not to do it while the person's looking in my direction. I suppose you could smile or something.

[Apococlock]

my first reaction is to scream incoherent strands of language at them to confuse whenever someone is staring at me, likewise I tend to expect others to burst out laughing if I stare at them.

The INTJs definately dress practically, it's just what we do. I'm not sure the quiet reserved indicator is actually true though. I'm an INTJ and I'm fairly loud and charismatic, which may seem to defy the norm. I find that we have a tendency to have little patience for ignorance, and are very short while dealing with it.

[Tarrick]

I don't know. I've never had anyone acknowledge the staring, but then, I try not to do it while the person's looking in my direction. I suppose you could smile or something.

Smile? You mean simulate this " :) " on my face? Maybe it could work, never know.

Maybe if I said something cryptically intelligent, it would work like a code phrase that would confirm my identity as a INTJ and double check that she was too. Heck, we organize a code-phrase system for an INTJ underground communication network!


At Apococlock: I've not doubt that works.

[Firelie]

All else fails, you could try asking if she's one. * ;D

[Tarrick]

All else fails, you could try asking if she's one. ;D

"Excuse me, I don't know you, but you exhibit the telltale signs of being a female INTJ. Are you?"

Something like that?

[Evalis]

Actually this is a decent conversation starter. "Hi there.. Have you ever heard of Myer's Briggs?"

Almost as good as wearing a feather pendant that says "I'm single - Ask me out!"

[Firelie]

"Excuse me, I don't know you, but you exhibit the telltale signs of being a female INTJ. Are you?"

Something like that?

Sure, why not. *It'd be more interesting than small talk.

[Tarrick]

Sure, why not. It'd be more interesting than small talk.


Uh-huh. Sure. Answer me this: would you, as a female INTJ, ever consider doing with a guy???

[Firelie]

Uh-huh. Sure. Answer me this: would you, as a female INTJ, ever consider doing with a guy???

Err...doing WHAT with a guy?

[Tarrick]

What you suggested. Walking up and asking them if they are an INTJ.


Why, what do you think I was talking about? :P

[Firelie]

What you suggested. Walking up and asking them if they are an INTJ.


Why, what do you think I was talking about? * :P

I don't know, that's why I asked.

And yes, I might if I suspected it. *Not to a random person on the street, though. *You'd have to get to know the person a bit to observe some of the behaviors.

But then, this thread wasn't asking whether the females wanted to spot the males.

[Tarrick]

I don't know, that's why I asked.

And yes, I might if I suspected it. Not to a random person on the street, though. You'd have to get to know the person a bit to observe some of the behaviors.


Because you enjoy poking people, stirring the pot, etc?

As after Phrase One: Staring is complete, then you establish contact? Okay, works for me.

[Firelie]

As after Phrase One: Staring is complete, then you establish contact? Okay, works for me.

You should consider what Rose said as well. Mine was more joking, hers response was more logical.

[Tarrick]

True.

But joking is always more amusing. :thumbsup:

[Firelie]

That's true, but not entirely helpful.

In all seriousness, the likelihood of meeting an INTJ female out in the real world is pretty slim, so if you want to spot one numbery-dude, you should probably study up on the types!

[Tarrick]

I have Please Understand me II and I've taken a class entirely on Keirsey and how to communicate with the other types. :)

But more learning is always helpful.

[Rei]

I don't know. *I've never had anyone acknowledge the staring, but then, I try not to do it while the person's looking in my direction. *I suppose you could smile or something.

LOL!
Don't listen to her! It'll just make the starer indulge in staring more!!! Until she eats you with her eyes! ;D

[Tarrick]

Scary Rei. Sounds like something from an Anime. :scared:

[Rei]

Scary Rei. Sounds like something from an Anime. :scared:

that rhymes :o

[Tarrick]

Must....resist.....

Anyways, no more rhymes no more chimes... :-X

[Cub]

So I'm curious, could you pick us out in a crowded room???

[thegnat]

we're freaks of nature. of course you can pick us out.

from miles and miles away...

we write INTJ on our foreheads...

we'll be in lab on Friday night and thoroughly enjoying the empty lab...

we're not mainstream....

we do our own thing...we don't give a damn what you think of us..

we over complicate things so much we have to do classes like econ at 2 in the morning to do them quickly.

our brains don't function for as simple classes as intro physics at least at midnight. and again we overcomplicate. we have an odd taste in music

we're total nerds. tennis nerds AND chem nerds. All kinds of nerdity acceptable.

We have nerdy side things to do.

know pi to 28 places.

do physical chemistry for fun.

we aren't arrogant, we're just better than you.

alright i'm stopping haha

[Rei]

we're freaks of nature. of course you can pick us out.

from miles and miles away...

we write INTJ on our foreheads...

we'll be in lab on Friday night and thoroughly enjoying the empty lab...

we're not mainstream....

we do our own thing...we don't give a damn what you think of us..

we over complicate things so much we have to do classes like econ at 2 in the morning to do them quickly.

our brains don't function for as simple classes as intro physics at least at midnight. and again we overcomplicate. we have an odd taste in music

we're total nerds. tennis nerds AND chem nerds. All kinds of nerdity acceptable.

We have nerdy side things to do.

know pi to 28 places.

do physical chemistry for fun.

we aren't arrogant, we're just better than you.

alright i'm stopping haha


I think the main thing that will pick us out from a crowd is that we usually walk alone where as most other females walk in pairs, groups etc.
We look like we're preoccupied thinking about something, but at the same time we're rushing through the crowd. Well that's me anyway.

You know... the typical INTJ stuffs

[thegnat]

You're exactly right Rei, we don't walk in pairs, groups of more than two...I walk alone all the time. It doesn't bother me.

That was my kind of attempt at humor after....oy vey a bad day.

[Cub]

thegnat you CERTAINLY have us pegged. You're pretty right on the money!!! Example being... none of my other girlfriends (the few that there are) have all the NOVA shows on String Theory recorded. Hhhhmmm.......must be my INTJ nerdiness. Sheesh!

[curse10]

Actually this is a decent conversation starter. "Hi there.. Have you ever heard of Myer's Briggs?"

Almost as good as wearing a feather pendant that says "I'm single - Ask me out!"


It's the 21st century, "Hey baby, what's your sign?"

[curse10]

know pi to 28 places.

do physical chemistry for fun.





Oy. I'd never do chemistry for fun. INTJ females aren't always science nerds. Sometimes we are law nerds and do things like read statutes for fun.

[mind_wander]

All else fails, you could try asking if she's one. * ;D
Thats what I did, but I first started joining into conversation with I can related to. Then, work your way down, it make the train of thought less messy too. Plus, if some sacastic jokes start flying, hey send it toward my way. I will be friendly about it and if you got friends, bring them in "I am open-minded about it, I'm not a drone last time I checked." I guess its a backup insurance that I am not playing a fool, unless you want me to be one, lol. We're all intellegent/unqiue people, so lets keep it rolling. Lastly, talk about "Have you ever heard of the Myer's brigg?" But before taken the Myer's-brigg, she mentioned that she is not like the other female in the female pact, more independent. After taking a look at it, I flipped out because it came from the exact female INTJ quotes :thumbsup:

[Rei]

You're exactly right Rei, we don't walk in pairs, groups of more than two...I walk alone all the time. It doesn't bother me.

That was my kind of attempt at humor after....oy vey a bad day.
Oh it was very good!

I don't know pi to 28 places... but I do to 12-ish... 3.141592653589.... something like that... every time I get bored i try to remember more of it though ;D

Definitely nerdy... I know ridiculous amounts about random stuff.
And I definitely don't give a damn about what random people think of us.

Ugh... I have one of those bad days coming up...

[mind_wander]

Actually this is a decent conversation starter. "Hi there.. Have you ever heard of Myer's Briggs?"

Almost as good as wearing a feather pendant that says "I'm single - Ask me out!"


It's the 21st century, "Hey baby, what's your sign?"


lol, I wished I can try that one. But, not gonna happen to me. As for me, I do walk alone more, then walking in groups, unless its school related FAQ's. This happens, ok I have to join this group, if I am not the only one with the FAQ's.

[thegnat]

thegnat you CERTAINLY have us pegged. You're pretty right on the money!!! Example being... none of my other girlfriends (the few that there are) have all the NOVA shows on String Theory recorded. Hhhhmmm.......must be my INTJ nerdiness. Sheesh!

Oh my god....I'm jealous of your NOVA episodes on tape....I watched that in physics in high school. NOVA on String Theory is awesome.

curse10 said the following:

Oy. I'd never do chemistry for fun. INTJ females aren't always science nerds. Sometimes we are law nerds and do things like read statutes for fun.

Of course. My personal experience.....I could never read law statutes for fun. So I suppose we can say "substitute subject they are obsessed with/nerdy about in my science examples"

The sad thing about the pi thing is that I *want* to keep it memorized. Sigh.
3.14159253589793238462643383

[rwyatt365]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! 8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

[mind_wander]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! *8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

Or maybe she is playing you. You know INTJ's are masterminds, so can pretend some of the mentioned above to see, if you think its an female INTJ. Yeah, its a very cruel female INTJ joke to play onto male INTJ, hey you never know. Did not happened to me *:thumbsup: They can be very outspoken, so not necessarily quiet.

[Rei]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! 8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

define comfortably...
People sometimes think look 'dressed up' when I'm not. I just have a small collection of 'dressy' jackets.

[rwyatt365]

define comfortably...
People sometimes think look 'dressed up' when I'm not. *I just have a small collection of 'dressy' jackets.
"comfortably" = not an affected look, seems at ease in what she has on, not a "style" (as in, defined by Tara, or Oprah) but a "look" (as in, "wow I wish I looked like that wearing that!"), ready for studying, dinner date, watching the game, whatever...

[thegnat]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! 8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

Dresses comfortably? absolutely. lab is my excuse to dress comfortably though it's really a pathetic excuse I still dress comfortably 100% of the time. Oh and exams. Definitely comfort time. I do dress up sometimes for certain occasions but those I need to be comfortable too.
I dunno about staring - People stare at me and it creeps me out. I try not to stare at people. Though I admit it happens. And it wont be obvious that's for sure.
hangs out in chem lab definitely me - there are too many people in the library :::shudders:::
can recite pi, chemical formulae - definitely. I know nearly all chemical symbols, lots of reactions and mechanisms.
quietly, but confidently arrogant - I suppose - it comes with the territory ya know? ;)
Really HAWT - of course, why wouldn't we be? ;)

I'll add over-analyzes everything to this list. Good God why do I have to analyze *everything*? Including that list? Sheesh.

Rei: good luck on your bad day: I have more coming! W00t!

[24687531]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! *8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

Or maybe she is playing you. You know INTJ's are masterminds, so can pretend some of the mentioned above to see, if you think its an female INTJ. Yeah, its a very cruel female INTJ joke to play onto male INTJ, hey you never know. Did not happened to me *:thumbsup: They can be very outspoken, so not necessarily quiet.
I quote mind_wander, but ask all. Please clear to me that word "mastermind". It's because intj analyze everything (like me) or something else?

[rwyatt365]

I quote mind_wander, but ask all. Please clear to me that word "mastermind". It's because intj analyze everything (like me) or something else?
"Mastermind"; used in some MBTI descriptions to label the INTJ type. Typically implies that the INTJ is a master strategist and planner, that we're somewhere behind the scenes manipulating the action of "lesser mortals".

[timewarpson]

I have a tendency to gravitate towards clothing with complex patterns. If other tortured geniuses can decipher the code contained therein, then they either recognize me as a fellow INTJ or think that I am schizophrenic.

[Rei]

Dresses comfortably? absolutely. lab is my excuse to dress comfortably though it's really a pathetic excuse I still dress comfortably 100% of the time. Oh and exams. Definitely comfort time. I do dress up sometimes for certain occasions but those I need to be comfortable too.
I dunno about staring - People stare at me and it creeps me out. I try not to stare at people. Though I admit it happens. And it wont be obvious that's for sure.
hangs out in chem lab definitely me - there are too many people in the library :::shudders:::
can recite pi, chemical formulae - definitely. I know nearly all chemical symbols, lots of reactions and mechanisms.
quietly, but confidently arrogant - I suppose - it comes with the territory ya know? ;)
Really HAWT - of course, why wouldn't we be? ;)

I'll add over-analyzes everything to this list. Good God why do I have to analyze *everything*? Including that list? Sheesh.

Rei: good luck on your bad day: I have more coming! W00t!

Okay, by that definition I do dress comfortably most of the time. I can relate on the exams front. I'm always in loose gym pants and big hoodies during exams. It's nice to be able to be comfy in the library. I could care less what I look like during exams... it's a good excuse to be mismatched ;D
I sometimes stare at people, but mostly only if there's some nice physical feature that I want to grasp for the next time I try my hand at realism when I draw.
You can hang out at chem labs?! The library at some isolated corner or silent (aka intensive cramming) area is good. People are usually too busy to pay attention to me.

Thanks and yikes... hope your bad days stop soon. :-/

[Cub]

I dont stare but I'm VERY observant!!! :wideeyed:

[thegnat]

well - I suppose I don't "hang out" in chem labs - but I'm there so much it takes up my "hanging out time" kind of ish...because really I'm not even sure when and where I'd hang out and even with whom. I mean I haven't had "hanging out time" in a LONG time. I'm heading to the lab today haha. Work on solution prep. Hopefully we get stuff done and don't talk too much about other stuff/hang out ;)

[Rei]

well - I suppose I don't "hang out" in chem labs - but I'm there so much it takes up my "hanging out time" kind of ish...because really I'm not even sure when and where I'd hang out and even with whom. I mean I haven't had "hanging out time" in a LONG time. I'm heading to the lab today haha. Work on solution prep. Hopefully we get stuff done and don't talk too much about other stuff/hang out ;)
I see...
well when I say hang out... it actually really means me... hanging out with the molecules in the atmosphere, my textbooks, my laptop etc etc. =/
I haven't hung out with a person in ages... I rarely hang out with people when I'm on campus.

[thegnat]

well - I suppose I don't "hang out" in chem labs - but I'm there so much it takes up my "hanging out time" kind of ish...because really I'm not even sure when and where I'd hang out and even with whom. I mean I haven't had "hanging out time" in a LONG time. I'm heading to the lab today haha. Work on solution prep. Hopefully we get stuff done and don't talk too much about other stuff/hang out ;)
I see...
well when I say hang out... it actually really means me... hanging out with the molecules in the atmosphere, my textbooks, my laptop etc etc. =/
I haven't hung out with a person in ages... I rarely hang out with people when I'm on campus.
so yeah - there we go - I hang out in the lab! Awesome I can say that!
And the nitrogen in the air, the oxygen, all those wonderful molecules, my Macbook, and my Ti-86 (don't ask how I thought of it, but I do like it hehe), oh and of course the all important "me, myself, and I" those three people I hang out with A LOT ;)

[mind_wander]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! *8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

Or maybe she is playing you. You know INTJ's are masterminds, so can pretend some of the mentioned above to see, if you think its an female INTJ. Yeah, its a very cruel female INTJ joke to play onto male INTJ, hey you never know. Did not happened to me *:thumbsup: They can be very outspoken, so not necessarily quiet.
I quote mind_wander, but ask all. Please clear to me that word "mastermind". It's because intj analyze everything (like me) or something else?
When there is 2 masterminds are in the room, there is a feeling that this person could be like you. So your sensory is kinda off whack until you are 100% certain this person is a real INTJ. Thats what I meant, its kinda hard to tell, but then your intuition says, "She's got to be an INTJ for sure." Its like your brain is kinda like error, error, can not compute too much information. Kinda like meeting your own counterpart for a very long time. Uh, what should I do when I met one?

[24687531]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! *8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

Or maybe she is playing you. You know INTJ's are masterminds, so can pretend some of the mentioned above to see, if you think its an female INTJ. Yeah, its a very cruel female INTJ joke to play onto male INTJ, hey you never know. Did not happened to me *:thumbsup: They can be very outspoken, so not necessarily quiet.
I quote mind_wander, but ask all. Please clear to me that word "mastermind". It's because intj analyze everything (like me) or something else?
When there is 2 masterminds are in the room, there is a feeling that this person could be like you. So your sensory is kinda off whack until you are 100% certain this person is a real INTJ. Thats what I meant, its kinda hard to tell, but then your intuition says, "She's got to be an INTJ for sure." Its like your brain is kinda like error, error, can not compute too much information. Kinda like meeting your own counterpart for a very long time. Uh, what should I do when I met one?
Something like this happened to me few days ago.

[qwerty]

When there is 2 masterminds are in the room, there is a feeling that this person could be like you. So your sensory is kinda off whack until you are 100% certain this person is a real INTJ. Thats what I meant, its kinda hard to tell, but then your intuition says, "She's got to be an INTJ for sure." Its like your brain is kinda like error, error, can not compute too much information. Kinda like meeting your own counterpart for a very long time. Uh, what should I do when I met one?

Oh yeah that is exactly it. However I found with someone I know that my intuition tried so hard to make it true that I couldn't see the real answer to their type was ISTJ. I was looking for something beneath the surface and there was nothing there; it's not a bad thing for all you ISTJ's but INTJs have much more depth and being masterminds generally won't hide it if they can see the positives (it's why I got uncertain, I gave the ISTJ too much credit and kept hitting from every angle until they closed up their shell).

As far as what do you do when you meet one? Suck their brains empty?

[thegnat]

I like to have some brain cells left.....gray matter really does help me in life I feel so leave us at least a little brain left.

In casual conversation, depends on who I'm with of course, I like to stay away from chemistry somewhat. At least the kind of chemistry I'm learning now. I usually enjoy it, but I'd rather leave that to the class before I get consumed by it.

Therefore
I like to talk about things like tennis and horses (and most people would rather talk about this than chem anyway) as "light" conversation. More interesting, but more deep, other sciences, theories, "deeper talk" in general. I'm up for some philosophy, bouncing ideas off each other. Perhaps debates happen in this area, but I'd prefer not to debate you about global warming or some other issues like that. That's "heavy" for casual conversation and I *can* do it but I have to be in the right mood. I'd of course be happy to talk to you about chem some but as long as I don't get that glazed over look. I'll help you with chem if you want it though and I can. That's cool cause it goes over stuff I went over before and I should know by heart. But it still makes me think.

[mind_wander]

So, let me get it straight…if she;

- Walks alone, not in a group
- Dresses comfortably, most of the time
- Stares at you secretly
- Hangs out in the computer / chemistry / law lab, or library
- Can recite pi to more than 5 places, or law statutes, or chemical formulae
- Quietly, but confidently arrogant
- Really HAWT! *8-) ;D

Then she's an INTJ-lady?

Or maybe she is playing you. You know INTJ's are masterminds, so can pretend some of the mentioned above to see, if you think its an female INTJ. Yeah, its a very cruel female INTJ joke to play onto male INTJ, hey you never know. Did not happened to me *:thumbsup: They can be very outspoken, so not necessarily quiet.
I quote mind_wander, but ask all. Please clear to me that word "mastermind". It's because intj analyze everything (like me) or something else?
When there is 2 masterminds are in the room, there is a feeling that this person could be like you. So your sensory is kinda off whack until you are 100% certain this person is a real INTJ. Thats what I meant, its kinda hard to tell, but then your intuition says, "She's got to be an INTJ for sure." Its like your brain is kinda like error, error, can not compute too much information. Kinda like meeting your own counterpart for a very long time. Uh, what should I do when I met one?
Something like this happened to me few days ago.
like to hear what happened to you few days ago.

[mind_wander]

When there is 2 masterminds are in the room, there is a feeling that this person could be like you. So your sensory is kinda off whack until you are 100% certain this person is a real INTJ. Thats what I meant, its kinda hard to tell, but then your intuition says, "She's got to be an INTJ for sure." Its like your brain is kinda like error, error, can not compute too much information. Kinda like meeting your own counterpart for a very long time. Uh, what should I do when I met one?

Oh yeah that is exactly it. However I found with someone I know that my intuition tried so hard to make it true that I couldn't see the real answer to their type was ISTJ. I was looking for something beneath the surface and there was nothing there; it's not a bad thing for all you ISTJ's but INTJs have much more depth and being masterminds generally won't hide it if they can see the positives (it's why I got uncertain, I gave the ISTJ too much credit and kept hitting from every angle until they closed up their shell).

As far as what do you do when you meet one? Suck their brains empty?
If you do that, then you are talking to a drone then. By the end of the day, who am I?

[Troublems]

When there is 2 masterminds are in the room, there is a feeling that this person could be like you. So your sensory is kinda off whack until you are 100% certain this person is a real INTJ. Thats what I meant, its kinda hard to tell, but then your intuition says, "She's got to be an INTJ for sure." Its like your brain is kinda like error, error, can not compute too much information. Kinda like meeting your own counterpart for a very long time. Uh, what should I do when I met one?

"Suck their brains empty" rings a little extreme but it doesn't sound like such a bad option if Qwerty was implying "intelligent conversation and discussion" by "suck their brains empty" as opposed to "steal all their never ending brilliance and use it for yourself."

Strange though, I don't know what I'd do if I met another INTJ (male or female). I know only one other and I can't even remember how we started talking but she's intense...and awesome. Though, as widely suggested, conversation seems to be the thing to go far. As to how to initiate said conversation. Well, that's up to you. ;)

[qwerty]

"Suck their brains empty" rings a little extreme but it doesn't sound like such a bad option if Qwerty was implying "intelligent conversation and discussion" by "suck their brains empty" as opposed to "steal all their never ending brilliance and use it for yourself."

Strange though, I don't know what I'd do if I met another INTJ (male or female). I know only one other and I can't even remember how we started talking but she's intense...and awesome. Though, as widely suggested, conversation seems to be the thing to go far. As to how to initiate said conversation. Well, that's up to you. ;)


Uh yeah that's exactly what I meant (hides straw behind back). But generally yeah I find that when I meet people similar to myself I will test them and push their boundaries. Even now my best mate still gets nervous when I start going down a new avenue of exploration. Yet he will come back to me with hundreds of other ideas to keep me interested.

I like to have some brain cells left.....gray matter really does help me in life I feel so leave us at least a little brain left.

In casual conversation, depends on who I'm with of course, I like to stay away from chemistry somewhat. At least the kind of chemistry I'm learning now. I usually enjoy it, but I'd rather leave that to the class before I get consumed by it.

Therefore
I like to talk about things like tennis and horses (and most people would rather talk about this than chem anyway) as "light" conversation. More interesting, but more deep, other sciences, theories, "deeper talk" in general. I'm up for some philosophy, bouncing ideas off each other. Perhaps debates happen in this area, but I'd prefer not to debate you about global warming or some other issues like that. That's "heavy" for casual conversation and I *can* do it but I have to be in the right mood. I'd of course be happy to talk to you about chem some but as long as I don't get that glazed over look. I'll help you with chem if you want it though and I can. That's cool cause it goes over stuff I went over before and I should know by heart. But it still makes me think.

At the end of the day I end up talking about that sort of stuff with most people (not the horses or the tennis) but the things they find interesting. But I'll plough deeper and relate philosophy/psychology with the chat.
So just say we were talking about horses, I have a running joke with a vegetarian that basically goes along the lines of what it would take to make them non-vegetarian. So I'd ask the question: if your favorite horse died would you consider eating a part of it so that it would be with you forever (in a spiritual sense)? Then if not I ask if it was a cultural belief do you think you'd do it? What would you think of someone who would do it? What if in order to save your horses life you had to sacrifice a sheep and eat it's brain would you? etc. It sounds silly and it's mainly for fun but it tells you so much about a person and in what direction you can push them.

But going to chemistry what makes you not want to discuss it with mere mortals? Is it that you don't like explaining the context and content before you debate it?


If you do that, then you are talking to a drone then. By the end of the day, who am I?
My zombie slave?

[Smacknrat]

I was at a bar one time with a couple of friends. That night I told my friend to go talk to a group of young women to see where it lead ("You have 15 seconds to go talk to them"). So he saw a pair sitting in front of me (much later at a different bar) and issued the same ultimatum to me. We exchanged some looks in the five mins we were there. But it was kinda hard not to look at each other considering they sat in front of my basically.

I didn't know it at first. I was talking to her (probably) EN/SFP friend. My other friend was talking to the INTJ. She (INTJ) mentioned something that struck my interest and the ENFP said something that struck my (I/ENFP) friend.

The short of it is that we started talking about philosophy/philosophers. From Kant, Plato, superorganisms, achievements and what to do with them for the general good.

She also let it be known that she preferred to read books and be generally solitary. Liked training her dog. Wanted to show other women around the world what can be done.

I asked her what beer she was drinking. She didn't know so she asked her friend. Her friend being slightly inebriated, said some long phrase that I didn't hear. To which she looks around with a blank/annoyed/joking look and says, "I asked one question."

I of course laugh and say, "You're my hero!"

A momentary pause from her echoes back, "You're MY hero."

She even verbally jabbed at my friend. He clearly missed it and she cracked a smile when I was cracking up at it.

On leaving I asked if she wanted to be shown around town (she moved here 3 months ago). And mentioned the Art Museum is "opening an Impression-al-ist.. Impression-el-ist.. *looks to ceiling as to why that isn't sounding right*"

"Impressionist?"
"Yes! Thank you."
"Oh, my favorites painters are Monet, van Gogh, and Renoir."
"....... .... Is that right?"

Made my week and restored some of my faith in humanity. Didn't have my cellphone on me to store a number, so I gave her my card for her to contact me. Saw a nice big shiny ring on her right hand when we parted, but who knows what that meant.

'Course never heard back. But damn that was an exhilarating experience. She was (in my opinion) very physically attractive too. Form fitting cloths and some simple eyeliner + subtle eye shadow.

Seriously, you INTJ women need to come out more. For no other reason than to save my sanity.

[thegnat]

qwerty (you know, your name's fun to type except the y doesn't come naturally as it's the only letter on your right hand):Hm. interesting joke. I'll respond to that later.

I think it is partly that qwerty w/r/t chem. And a lot of people give me the "Chem? That was so hard! I hated it!" when I bring it up so it's basically moot unless they want help. Which I don't mind giving.

I do like to discuss chem with people - especially stuff that I know is interesting to everyone. The kind of weird cool shit you can do with it. And if people are actually interested in what I really like to study and they're following, I can talk your ear off.

It is kind of an odd subject with me, though at least w/r/t talking about it. In some situations I *don't* like talking about it (well in most I don't like talking about organic except for the structures of drugs hehe cause I know I can draw them haha) -
But there are some moments in time - where I have about 50 things to do (which is when I wrote that post - I still do but I have considerable progress so I'm feeling better about things - and actually is most of the time that I have 50 things to do) due to chemistry - and when I get a break from it - I want a nice full break from it. I'll talk about it with you - as long as I don't have to discuss the exam I just took, the material from that exam, whatever else that stressed me out that I had to do with it.

Though honestly I am getting better at that. MY pet peeve still is talking about exam material but I'm able to talk more chemistry cause it's not organic! I can last through a 2.5 hour lecture on it and still talk about it afterwards (but probably not as enthusiastically).

I suppose it depends on the degree of saturation of my brain's sponge and how tired I am haha. And chemistry is quite a consuming subject with lab, lab reports, and just the hours you have to put into lectures to understand it. I stay up late at night doing it, analyzing it, studying it. Then I have other subjects and I'm just zapped.

Smacknrat: What is sanity? I don't seem to know and understand what it is.

now back to explaining somehow that this reaction should have first order kinetics. well pseudo-first order...chao

[rwyatt365]

Seriously, you INTJ women need to come out more. *For no other reason than to save my sanity.
+1 to that!

I remember in my "clubbing" days I met a waitress that really seemed out of place in that environment. I struck up a conversation with her about political activism that lasted the entire evening (and almost got her fired!). I knew nothing about MBTI then, but I'm pretty sure that she was INTJ - probably the only one I've met face-to-face.

[thegnat]

Seriously, you INTJ women need to come out more. For no other reason than to save my sanity.
+1 to that!

I remember in my "clubbing" days I met a waitress that really seemed out of place in that environment. I struck up a conversation with her about political activism that lasted the entire evening (and almost got her fired!). I knew nothing about MBTI then, but I'm pretty sure that she was INTJ - probably the only one I've met face-to-face.

b-b-but "coming out" doesn't come naturally to us...

[rwyatt365]

b-b-but "coming out" doesn't come naturally to us...
Take off the lab coat...
Put down the test tubes...
Now, open the door... :o

See, outside isn't so bad! :P

[thegnat]

b-b-but "coming out" doesn't come naturally to us...
Take off the lab coat...
Put down the test tubes...
Now, open the door... :o

See, outside isn't so bad! :P

me likes the outside but there are so many people! :suspicious:

[cielo market]

You couldn't. She'll be incognito. *[smiley=ninja.gif]

[Firelie]

We'll all be incognito....

[smiley=bandana.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=clown.gif] [smiley=gorgeous.gif] :mad: [smiley=ninja.gif] [smiley=pimp.gif] [smiley=rockstar.gif] [smiley=sombrero.gif] [smiley=toff.gif] [smiley=biker.gif] [smiley=beatnik.gif] [smiley=disguise.gif]

*puts on fake mustache and cackles*

[Santana28]

Actually this is a decent conversation starter. "Hi there.. Have you ever heard of Myer's Briggs?"

Almost as good as wearing a feather pendant that says "I'm single - Ask me out!"

Thats very true!

Actually, if you ran across me here's what you'd find:

A girl standing alone off to the side somewhere in a dark room, wearing something entirely within the definitions of "Does it feel good, Does it keep me warm, etc?" such as a hoodie or a simple tshirt and jeans, i always wear a baseball cap or hat of some sort to hide behind, and dark non-attention getting colors. If you stand next to me and are completely obvious you are checking me out, expect me to completely ignore you or simply walk elsewhere. If you give me a compliment, i'll say "uh..thanks" uncomfortably and not say another word. Oh, and i'm always asked by guys "Smile, why don't you smile more!" and my reply is always "Give me something to smile about then or mind your own business!" LOL

But if you walk up and ask me a question about something i'm interested in...philosophy... art... music... psychology... i'll magically transform into a completely different human being and talk so much and so enthusiastically you are likely to be completely enamored by that point :)

Oh. And don't be surprised if i make comments about other girls. I really don't differentiate at all between people on that level. And don't be surprised if you find me seeing multiple people at a time... or no one at all for years on end.... every new person is a new opportunity for learning, but i'm also very comfortable being alone.

But seriously - that conversation starter is a great question for an INTJ female ;) Just be ready to have your ear talked off from a seemingly quiet and shy person.

[rwyatt365]

We'll all be incognito....

[smiley=bandana.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=clown.gif] [smiley=gorgeous.gif] :mad: [smiley=ninja.gif] [smiley=pimp.gif] [smiley=rockstar.gif] [smiley=sombrero.gif] [smiley=toff.gif] [smiley=biker.gif] [smiley=beatnik.gif] [smiley=disguise.gif]

*puts on fake mustache and cackles*
"Jezebel's Angels" - in disguise, out to save the world...from itself!

[thegnat]

We'll all be incognito....

[smiley=bandana.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=clown.gif] [smiley=gorgeous.gif] :mad: [smiley=ninja.gif] [smiley=pimp.gif] [smiley=rockstar.gif] [smiley=sombrero.gif] [smiley=toff.gif] [smiley=biker.gif] [smiley=beatnik.gif] [smiley=disguise.gif]

*puts on fake mustache and cackles*
"Jezebel's Angels" - in disguise, out to save the world...from itself!
We're out to take it over, remember?

[rwyatt365]

We'll all be incognito....

[smiley=bandana.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=clown.gif] [smiley=gorgeous.gif] :mad: [smiley=ninja.gif] [smiley=pimp.gif] [smiley=rockstar.gif] [smiley=sombrero.gif] [smiley=toff.gif] [smiley=biker.gif] [smiley=beatnik.gif] [smiley=disguise.gif]

*puts on fake mustache and cackles*
"Jezebel's Angels" - in disguise, out to save the world...from itself take over the world!
We're out to take it over, remember?
Correction above *:-/

[rwyatt365]

So, after you ladies take over the world, will you leave a spot for us INTJ guys? *:-?

(Can we play too?) *[smiley=dork.gif]

[thegnat]

So, after you ladies take over the world, will you leave a spot for us INTJ guys? :-?

(Can we play too?) [smiley=dork.gif]

I think we can allow you guys to play. As long as you're on our side, we'll let you ;)

[Firelie]

So, after you ladies take over the world, will you leave a spot for us INTJ guys? *:-?

(Can we play too?) *[smiley=dork.gif]

Yeah, I suppose we should leave a few guys around. Life might become a little boring without sex.

[rwyatt365]

I think we can allow you guys to play. As long as you're on our side, we'll let you ;)

Yeah, I suppose we should leave a few guys around. *Life might become a little boring without sex.
Oh, thank you gracious ladies! Now, who said INTJ females are "ice queens"?!

Call me when you've finished conquering the world. :sleeping: *turning on TV*

[Headstrong]

Actually this is a decent conversation starter. "Hi there.. Have you ever heard of Myer's Briggs?"

Almost as good as wearing a feather pendant that says "I'm single - Ask me out!"

Thats very true!

Actually, if you ran across me here's what you'd find:

A girl standing alone off to the side somewhere in a dark room, wearing something entirely within the definitions of "Does it feel good, Does it keep me warm, etc?" such as a hoodie or a simple tshirt and jeans, i always wear a baseball cap or hat of some sort to hide behind, and dark non-attention getting colors. If you stand next to me and are completely obvious you are checking me out, expect me to completely ignore you or simply walk elsewhere. If you give me a compliment, i'll say "uh..thanks" uncomfortably and not say another word. Oh, and i'm always asked by guys "Smile, why don't you smile more!" and my reply is always "Give me something to smile about then or mind your own business!" LOL

But if you walk up and ask me a question about something i'm interested in...philosophy... art... music... psychology... i'll magically transform into a completely different human being and talk so much and so enthusiastically you are likely to be completely enamored by that point :)

Oh. And don't be surprised if i make comments about other girls. I really don't differentiate at all between people on that level. And don't be surprised if you find me seeing multiple people at a time... * or no one at all for years on end.... * every new person is a new opportunity for learning, but i'm also very comfortable being alone.

But seriously - that conversation starter is a great question for an INTJ female ;) Just be ready to have your ear talked off from a seemingly quiet and shy person.

Wow...that's me to a tee. Except I prefer sunglasses to hats. It allows me to observe other people without them picking up on it. ;D

[GOD]

One thing I'd say...

Is that... you can't spot for definite any one type. Especially those that think.

To assume that all INTJ's wear or look a certain way is just plain stupid.

It’s like being able to definitely tell someone’s job by the way they look... I used to have great fun asking women I met what type of job they thought I did...

Lol... car salesman was one that seemed to pop up quite quickly.... ;D when suited and booted... lawyer. It’s funny how people treat you depending on your clothes you wear. Especially pretentious types... (Sales types especially).

Everyone you meet is a potential psychological experiment just waiting to happen.. ;D

nb: An INTJ woman will be direct in her conversation and be more like a male in her thought processes. (And thats the MBTI backing that up with its profiling).

[rwyatt365]

One thing I'd say...

Is that... you can't spot for definite any one type. Especially those that think.

To assume that all INTJ's wear or look a certain way is just plain stupid.
Stupid, perhaps. Interesting fun, definitely! It's all about exploring similarities and differences and having a little hoot on the way. *;D

Its like being able to definitely tell someones job by the way they look... I used to have great fun asking women I met what type of job did they think I did...

Lol... car salesman was one that seemed to pop up quite quickly.... *;D

Everyone you meet is a potential psychological experiment just waiting to happen.. *;D
...and that's the rub, right there! The world is an experiment and every person is subject to the INTJ microscope. Even ourselves! Why not see if there IS any correlation?

[thegnat]

...and that's the rub, right there! The world is an experiment and every person is subject to the INTJ microscope. Even ourselves! Why not see if there IS any correlation?

ooh experiments.... [smiley=smart.gif] *evil laugh*

They're part of the way we are able to make a plan to take over the world and claim superiority over all mankind! [smiley=smart.gif]

All will fear us and our INTJ Super Powers, none will be able to stop us bwahahaha!

[xtremegeek]

...and that's the rub, right there! The world is an experiment and every person is subject to the INTJ microscope. Even ourselves! Why not see if there IS any correlation?

ooh experiments.... [smiley=smart.gif] *evil laugh*

They're part of the way we are able to make a plan to take over the world and claim superiority over all mankind! *[smiley=smart.gif]

All will fear us and our INTJ Super Powers, none will be able to stop us bwahahaha!

Well, since you INTJs insist on taking over the world, could you please do me a favor and get rid of the IRS. I realize that it is staffed predominantly by ISTJs, but this ISTJ thinks that they give my MBTI kind a really bad reputation.

[thegnat]

...and that's the rub, right there! The world is an experiment and every person is subject to the INTJ microscope. Even ourselves! Why not see if there IS any correlation?

ooh experiments.... [smiley=smart.gif] *evil laugh*

They're part of the way we are able to make a plan to take over the world and claim superiority over all mankind! [smiley=smart.gif]

All will fear us and our INTJ Super Powers, none will be able to stop us bwahahaha!

Well, since you INTJs insist on taking over the world, could you please do me a favor and get rid of the IRS. I realize that it is staffed predominantly by ISTJs, but this ISTJ thinks that they give my MBTI kind a really bad reputation.
We could as long as you give us some meaningful insight to be able to do it ;)

[qwerty]

qwerty (you know, your name's fun to type except the y doesn't come naturally as it's the only letter on your right hand):Hm. interesting joke. I'll respond to that later.


Yes it is fun to type qwert[y] - I should omit the y just for the sake of typing.


I think it is partly that qwerty w/r/t chem. And a lot of people give me the "Chem? That was so hard! I hated it!" when I bring it up so it's basically moot unless they want help. Which I don't mind giving.

I do like to discuss chem with people - especially stuff that I know is interesting to everyone. The kind of weird cool shit you can do with it. And if people are actually interested in what I really like to study and they're following, I can talk your ear off.


The passion for the subject where you see the world unfold before your eyes for a brief second, then you find more to learn about it. Is it just me or when you first begin a topic that is new you talk about it non stop then as you learn more you talk about it less as the people around you seem to lose interest or appear not to follow it?


It is kind of an odd subject with me, though at least w/r/t talking about it. In some situations I *don't* like talking about it (well in most I don't like talking about organic except for the structures of drugs hehe cause I know I can draw them haha) -
But there are some moments in time - where I have about 50 things to do (which is when I wrote that post - I still do but I have considerable progress so I'm feeling better about things - and actually is most of the time that I have 50 things to do) due to chemistry - and when I get a break from it - I want a nice full break from it. I'll talk about it with you - as long as I don't have to discuss the exam I just took, the material from that exam, whatever else that stressed me out that I had to do with it.

Though honestly I am getting better at that. MY pet peeve still is talking about exam material but I'm able to talk more chemistry cause it's not organic! I can last through a 2.5 hour lecture on it and still talk about it afterwards (but probably not as enthusiastically).

Finally someone who's not in it just for the exam marks. I hate people with the mentality that exams are all that matters.


I suppose it depends on the degree of saturation of my brain's sponge and how tired I am haha. And chemistry is quite a consuming subject with lab, lab reports, and just the hours you have to put into lectures to understand it. I stay up late at night doing it, analyzing it, studying it. Then I have other subjects and I'm just zapped.

A master shall never grow tired of their subject, grasshopper. You must commit yourself to it :).
Nah, I know what you mean, when I finished my first Lambda calculus lecture I got home and looked in the mirror to find my eyes were completely dilated from the overload of thought (small class, as only those interested take it and people generally discus the topic but for the last hour of that lecture it was only me asking questions and it looked like everyone else got lost).


now back to explaining somehow that this reaction should have first order kinetics. well pseudo-first order...chao


Have fun

[thegnat]

Yes it is fun to type qwert[y] - I should omit the y just for the sake of typing.

Eh, but qwert? or is that more quirky. Oh man I just almost went qwerky. I think that's the way quirky should be spelled. Qwert would have its own character and sound pretty cool. I actually like it the more i say it. qwert. It's like saying "peace" or something. hehe



The passion for the subject where you see the world unfold before your eyes for a brief second, then you find more to learn about it. Is it just me or when you first begin a topic that is new you talk about it non stop then as you learn more you talk about it less as the people around you seem to lose interest or appear not to follow it?
Pretty much. It's really unfortunate with chem though that all the really cool stuff (well I guess what I consider really cool, and of course by now you know a lot more cool reactions through your own research and classes) you learn in advanced levels. A prof of mine said that "Intro Chem is initiation for Chemistry Majors" basically you get to see the *surface* of *everything* and go into zero detail. Like the basic ideal gas law PV=nRT They always tell you "well in some conditions this doesn't work." What conditions? Why? What do you use instead? All those are answered in thermo....With organic you get nomenclature. how boring. I found the mechanisms fascinating even though they killed me on the exams because I just don't have mechanistic intuition too much - as it talked about *how* and *why* reactions happened for really the first time. shit, shit stop rambling gnat. See I do like talking about it hehe. The people around *me* either a) expect me to know *all* about *everything* once you're this level. b) think I can synthesize anything c) they don't think they'll be understand what I'm saying so they don't make an attempt to (yes I know that look people give me) or d) they stay away from talking to me about it like the plague because they're afraid of chem.


Finally someone who's not in it just for the exam marks. I hate people with the mentality that exams are all that matters.
Oh me too. Those people annoy me....

A master shall never grow tired of their subject, grasshopper. You must commit yourself to it :).
Nah, I know what you mean, when I finished my first Lambda calculus lecture I got home and looked in the mirror to find my eyes were completely dilated from the overload of thought (small class, as only those interested take it and people generally discus the topic but for the last hour of that lecture it was only me asking questions and it looked like everyone else got lost).

Hm thanks for giving me a warning about what quant will be like in the spring haha. There should only be about 5 of us. quantum mechanical chemistry....




now back to explaining somehow that this reaction should have first order kinetics. well pseudo-first order...chao


Have fun
Oh, I had a blast, don't worry ;) Actually it wasn't that bad. I can talk about it the most annoying thing about lab reports is the busy work. Took me like 5 hours to do the busy work of it. (citing and tables)

[INTJgal]

Admittedly, I barely skimmed this thread. But here is what I have noticed separates me from other females:

*I go to the bathroom alone. (gasp!)

*Although certainly I can be found acting loud & energetic in a group setting, after a while you will have noticed that I disappeared. And, when you ask around, you'll see I didn't keep anyone updated like a normal girl. No, "she went to do x". I just got up and left. This is me forgetting the closure parts of Social Norms instead of me being snobby.

*I usually have a book with me. Or a backpack/large handbag with a multitude of tools (compass, calculator, headlamp, writing utensil & paper, etc.) that I may need at any given moment. Usually I just pull out a book, when I drifted from the crowd to go read on my own.

*I am One Of The Guys. This doesn't mean I don't have female friends... it just means frequency of hanging out, I'm out with the boys.

*I'm not the ESTP females that's One of the Guys, though. Certainly smartass one-liners you'll hear, but no lame bodily humor jokes. That's not funny stuff.

[Tarrick]

Oh, thank you gracious ladies! Now, who said INTJ females are "ice queens"?!

Call me when you've finished conquering the world. :sleeping: *turning on TV*

Oh ho? I think not. I'll race any of you females in taking over the world, if you're up to the challenge!

[BlackHawk]

I'll make it a three-way race!
bwah hahahahahaha!!!!!

[DroppedGT]

A PERSONALS AD THAT I JUST HAD TO SAY SOMETHING TO:

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“INTJ” –Myers-Briggs. It’s difficult to be an eye-catching introvert. - 19
Reply to: removed because my first post wouldn't let me leave it
Date: 2007-10-27, 9:40PM EDT


I’m smart, I’m pretty, and I’m totally unapproachable.
I’m relatively new to the area, and older than my age gives me credit for.
I’m honest, I’m loyal, and I’m interesting.

I hate the idea of posting this. What I hate more is the consistency with which I’m approached by cocky assholes who think varsity athlete status and a new car puts them in my league.
(Not to say I dislike athletes or new cars, just that having a soul would be more impressive.)

To reply, you should (read: must)…
1. Be logical. I’m not looking for a rocket-scientist, but you need to think (& act) rationally.
2. Have some defined moral code by which you live. Religious affiliation is unimportant. Just be kind, be honest, and live purposefully.
3. Be attractive. I have high standards because I meet high standards.
4. Be free of STDs, excessive emotional baggage, and degenerative mental conditions.
5. Find humor in most things. Must be able to handle sarcasm.

I look forward to hearing from you, assuming you even exist.



I DIDN'T RECEIVE AN ANSWER

[Tarrick]

I dunno what to say to that Dropped...no one like that must exist that would also be browsing a personal ad, I guess.

And welcome to the forum.

[rwyatt365]

A PERSONALS AD THAT I JUST HAD TO SAY SOMETHING TO:

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“INTJ” –Myers-Briggs. It’s difficult to be an eye-catching introvert. - 19
Reply to: removed because my first post wouldn't let me leave it
Date: 2007-10-27, 9:40PM EDT


I’m smart, I’m pretty, and I’m totally unapproachable.
I’m relatively new to the area, and older than my age gives me credit for.
I’m honest, I’m loyal, and I’m interesting.

I hate the idea of posting this. What I hate more is the consistency with which I’m approached by cocky assholes who think varsity athlete status and a new car puts them in my league.
(Not to say I dislike athletes or new cars, just that having a soul would be more impressive.)

To reply, you should (read: must)…
1. Be logical. I’m not looking for a rocket-scientist, but you need to think (& act) rationally.
2. Have some defined moral code by which you live. Religious affiliation is unimportant. Just be kind, be honest, and live purposefully.
3. Be attractive. I have high standards because I meet high standards.
4. Be free of STDs, excessive emotional baggage, and degenerative mental conditions.
5. Find humor in most things. Must be able to handle sarcasm.

I look forward to hearing from you, assuming you even exist.



I DIDN'T RECEIVE AN ANSWER
I wonder why? :thinking: Seems reasonable.

[DroppedGT]

Woops, let me clarify. A female posted that personals ad, and she didn't respond to me. I guess its irrelevant to recognizing her in life but I guess in a text sense? Anyways thanks for the greetings and hopefully I will add to the forums something of relevant importance next time ;P

[INTJgal]

Woops, let me clarify. A female posted that personals ad, and she didn't respond to me. I guess its irrelevant to recognizing her in life but I guess in a text sense? Anyways thanks for the greetings and hopefully I will add to the forums something of relevant importance next time ;P

Without reason, just didn't respond? Or, did you give her information about yourself that she deemed not-desirable-enough?

Both of those are weird without giving it at least a chance for interaction.

[Gaius Baltar]

There's already been some excellent responses in this thread, so I'm going to politely restrain myself. ;)

A post I wrote a few days ago in another thread sums up finding a female INTJ from the male perspective pretty well if anyone's interested:

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In short, you need to seriously keep your eyes peeled. We run into each other more than we realize, I believe.

[Gaius Baltar]

Woops, let me clarify. A female posted that personals ad, and she didn't respond to me. I guess its irrelevant to recognizing her in life but I guess in a text sense? Anyways thanks for the greetings and hopefully I will add to the forums something of relevant importance next time ;P

I used to mess around with CL a lot a few years ago when I was trying to figure social interactions out. It's very fickle and very difficult for a man to get any kind of response at all from a woman. Especially INTJs and our weird ways of conducting ourselves.

I eventually got pretty good at finding out what worked and what didn't. What exactly did you send her? I'll offer my troubleshooting services. This time, it's free. :cool:

[Paul V]

(Not to say I dislike athletes or new cars, just that having a soul would be more impressive.)


I've said that very sentence at least twice. Wow. Just wow.

[DroppedGT]

INTJGAL, maybe she realized she really didn't want any baggage. I'm not exactly good at conversation and actually tried the CL thing myself.. in 2 hours had 10 people instant messaging me and one on the phone (she was attempting to convince me to meet her in Raleigh 45 minutes away from me because she felt she would get something out of ...getting physical.. with someone intellectual). I was "practicing" socializing. It went horribly lol. So basically I assume she was lost in a sea of emails.


I appreciate that Dr. Phil, but could you imagine if that very person was to drop in on this conversation? JK

I do agree with your post you linked above and how we probably bump into each other more often then thought. And some are better at the playing of being an "E" more than others or don't give.. i guess typical? INTJ traits off. Social Conformism if that is a word.

I guess statistically we should meet 1-2 INTJ(s) out of every 100 people we encounter?

That ad was posted a month ago.. I'll send a follow up letter to my application haha

[Warren_Wong]

I would have to go with:

- Smiles very very little
- Moves around quickly all the time, with purpose
- Practically never laughs, where your jokes basically "bounce off"
- Seems to feel very awkward with small talk, asking lots of questions as if to explore a full conversation tree quickly and efficiently

[Llen]

Oy. I'd never do chemistry for fun. INTJ females aren't always science nerds. Sometimes we are law nerds and do things like read statutes for fun.

Indeed. But political science is still science, thus we still count as "science nerds."

[robin.]

I would have to go with:

- Smiles very very little
- Moves around quickly all the time, with purpose
- Practically never laughs, where your jokes basically "bounce off"
- Seems to feel very awkward with small talk, asking lots of questions as if to explore a full conversation tree quickly and efficientlyHmm...we're all different, but only some of this applies. I do move around quickly and efficiently, and I'm not the best at small talk. But I do smile, and I like to laugh a lot. (But only when I'm with people I trust.)

[Uytuun]

Extreme quiet inner strength and confidence. --> might come across as arrogant.

Will challenge you/criticise you, likely won't act according to the male-female interaction conventions. --> if S guys are immediately put off, that's a great indication. :p

May seem disinterested.

Never *fully* part of the group of friends she hangs out with.

Unconventional, does not care too much about what other people think --> might do weird stuff.

I don't always just dress for comfort...not at all.

Good language.

When talking about complex issues, look for what you do too --> intuition running rampant and Te trying to keep up, which results in very hermetic and quite often downright confusing explanations.

I do smile and laugh.

My eyes start shining when I can talk about uni and what projects I'm involved in. At least on the condition that you show genuine interest in that area of my life - which you might have to convince me of.

[Headstrong]

Extreme quiet inner strength and confidence. --> might come across as arrogant.

Will challenge you/criticise you, likely won't act according to the male-female interaction conventions. --> if S guys are immediately put off, that's a great indication. :p

May seem disinterested.

Never *fully* part of the group of friends she hangs out with.

Unconventional, does not care too much about what other people think --> might do weird stuff.

I don't always just dress for comfort...not at all.

Good language.

When talking about complex issues, look for what you do too --> intuition running rampant and Te trying to keep up, which results in very hermetic and quite often downright confusing explanations.

I do smile and laugh.

My eyes start shining when I can talk about uni and what projects I'm involved in. At least on the condition that you show genuine interest in that area of my life - which you might have to convince me of.


*nods*

[blueeyedsusan]

I bring up what I think are interesting facts and people ask me if my brain hurts. I have a very sarcastic sense of humor that gets lost on lessor mortals. I can be blunt but I don't know I'm being blunt, to me, I am just being honest. I use the words, "that makes sense or "that's not logical" a lot. The science channel is my favorite channel but if it's a program I already know something about or it's not in depth it bores me. I feel action adventure programs or movies are for stupid people and the people that make those are appealing to the primitive brain. I like intelligent humor or movies I cannot figure out. Most movies I figure out the plot in two minutes and I am done. I often skip explaining my thought process that came up with the conclusion and just state the conclusion. I have learned to talk to others in a step by step way. I understand chemistry without thinking and can solve equations without knowing how I did it but don't do algebra, I have my own unique brand of solving math problems.
I can figure out a person and their motives behind their actions very quickly and I have found out this scares most people.
Childhood was a very lonely time except for the few teachers and people that did understand me. I was the kid who loved to learn and was the smartest but hated the clique's and thought they were stupid and fake.
When I know I am right, I am right, but when I am wrong I admit it because knowledge is everything.
When I make connections with people, true connections, it is a rare thing but it is valuable to me. I reserve some of myself. I learned to do that.
I have learned to accept what other people call lonely and I don't try so much to fit in. On the job it's necessary but it is a game that bores and tires me.
When you see me, I will be generally looking at people, kind of like in a research way IF you interest me, else I am dismissive. I dress in well fitting clothes and am picky if I am out at a social occasion. I wear a mask of dress and makeup and count the time until I can leave without drawing attention to myself, that is if the party is a crowd. I feel safest in my family. My birth family, cousins etc have intelligence and love me and I love them. My sons, I felt to learn was all and to love without reserve was all. My sons can and do tell me everything. I am mama bear with them. They deserve that. When I feel safe I can communicate in an in depth way and I listen, very attentively. I am loyal but if you lie to me or do not return the loyalty then you are done in my life. I will be cordial but that is all.

[Antares]

Oh I see. So what? Should I stare first? Or rudely ignore their staring?

I would actually turn, raise an eyebrow at them to acknowledge them, then turn away to signal that I do not wish to be scrutinized any longer.

[Jgib5328]

This isn't specifically about female INTJs, but female introverts in general. Would a female introvert be much more likely to ride the college's bus by herself while listening to her ipod to go to the mall? I saw a girl like this today (very pretty btw) who did this. Usually when I see a girl going to the mall from my school, she's with at least 1 other friend and is talking to people she knows on the bus or is talking on her cellphone. I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen an introverted woman that pretty before.

Are introverts much rarer in girls? I dunno maybe it's just that I pay more attention to the pretty extroverted girls more (male brain) that I don't notice the introverted ones as much.

[Zirka]

This isn't specifically about female INTJs, but female introverts in general. Would a female introvert be much more likely to ride the college's bus by herself while listening to her ipod to go to the mall? I saw a girl like this today (very pretty btw) who did this. Usually when I see a girl going to the mall from my school, she's with at least 1 other friend and is talking to people she knows on the bus or is talking on her cellphone. I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen an introverted woman that pretty before.

Are introverts much rarer in girls? I dunno maybe it's just that I pay more attention to the pretty extroverted girls more (male brain) that I don't notice the introverted ones as much.

Speaking from personal experience, yes, I often take the bus to the mall, university, or elsewhere by myself, and if you see me on the bus/subway, you'd be hard pressed to see me not listening to my iPod. But a word of caution here. My sister who's ESFP also does the same thing (although rarely, because usually she's surrounded by her friends and talking away), so the whole listening to iPod on the bus thing is not necessarily a good indicator, but it is certainly a start.

[Jgib5328]

Speaking from personal experience, yes, I often take the bus to the mall, university, or elsewhere by myself, and if you see me on the bus/subway, you'd be hard pressed to see me not listening to my iPod. But a word of caution here. My sister who's ESFP also does the same thing (although rarely, because usually she's surrounded by her friends and talking away), so the whole listening to iPod on the bus thing is not necessarily a good indicator, but it is certainly a start.

Hmm, well unfortunately I'll probably never see her again so I won't be able to find out. She probably was though.

[Vortex]

I recommend all the INTJs come together and determine our CRC checksum. Then, when meeting random people, it'll just be "one second, calculating your CRC code..." and in a few seconds you'll have ironclad proof!

[PRBori]

Hmm.... OK, so here is a breakdown of how I am as an INTJ

- I don't give a damm what people think of me
- The clothes I wear is not trendy, but comfortable
- I don't spend much time on my hair or putting make-up
- You won't meet me in a club, or a crowded place with the exception of business related conferences or meetings
- You could find me in a library or bookstore
- You will be lucky to bump into me, because I tend to stay home, very low key
- I pick my friends and people I let in my life extremely carefully
- You need to meet my level of intelligence and compliment me
- You don't flirt with me or touch me, for I hate that type of men. I will give you a look and move on
- If I find you interesting, I will slightly look at you... but don't get excited, it doesn't mean we will fit... if you come near I will test the waters and see if we fit intellectually
- I tend to cover up my body, for it's not for sale, but hence you can see a little of me
- I'm extremely independent
- When I drive, I drive with one hand in the wheel, the other one in my head... I'm thinking all the time even when driving. One hand is always moving...
- I'm quiet in group of people I don't know and non-work environment
- I'm loud and very demanding at work
- If we can't converse on something interesting, I will get bored and dismiss myself
- I will be direct and tell you exactly what I want from day one
- I don't take jokes about people misfortunes easily
- I'm kind of a serious type
- I don't look for men, men look for me
- I will help the less fortunate, but not just any, only specific ones, those that look thruthful... if you look healthy to me, I won't give a damm about you, cause there are plenty of jobs out there...
- If I like you, I'll tell you more about me and give you the ultimatum.... a chance comes once in a lifetime, if you get it twice you're lucky
- When we get hitched, that's it, you will never see us or know about us again for we are extremely loyal to the one that wins our hearts
- You must have goals and plans and work hard towards them, if you lack even once... we may kick you out, but don't mis-understand, if health issues are the reason, we will be there for you. We are not looking for a leach.. we are looking for a real men with the pans on the right place, not half way or all the way down.
- RESPECT is of outmost importance... if you want to win respect, you must show us RESPECT.. you will get what you give
- TRUST must be earn, once broken cannot be repair easily...
- A sense of SECURITY is essential for us.. not that we care about the material aspects, but we care to build a strong foundation for our families
- I love bargains... so you can find me in a thrifstore anytime..., finding ways to save money in order to accomplish other goals are the key to survival

Other qualities are:

- We are extremely confident
- We like peaceful environments
- We are very reserved, very private
- We are extremely analytical
- We like to plan things and follow thru
- We like to work, and cannot be a good stay at home person
- We don't like to depend 100% on men, but we don't want to be the bread-weaners either..
- We hate people who take advantage of us or others...
- We are very ambitious
- When we sit you down to discuss an important matter, listen carefully come to a compromise.. If you make a promise, keep it... we keep count of all the negative and positive things you do then we weight them... if you have more negative, we will kick you out..
- We tend to show feelings thru music or letters, verbal feelings are rare
- We enjoy listening music with a meaning, something that we can relate to, the genre doesn't matter... however, that's not to say we don't listen to senseless music once in a while, because we do sometimes, but most of the time must have a meaning and yes, we can listen to a CD all day if the wording fits what we are going thru at that time.


Your actions, your heart and soul matters more to us than any material item you can offer us

I guess overall we portrait different personalities.. at work we are very direct, very loud, very focus, very stubborn, and completely different from a home environment..

At home we are more settle, submissive, quiet, private, and confine. We want to go home to a peaceful environment.. we hate to argue or fight, we love tranquility and the house is consider our sanctuary...


If we have children we want them to develop quickly... we will take time to read to them, play logical games with them... we will also take care of our men in every sense of the word and will manage time between the kids and our men, but we expect the same from the men

I think that summarizes, at least who I am as an INTJ..., but then again it may have to do with the signs as well....

I'm a Pisces or Wood Rabbit

[Pinkie]

Speaking from personal experience, yes, I often take the bus to the mall, university, or elsewhere by myself, and if you see me on the bus/subway, you'd be hard pressed to see me not listening to my iPod. But a word of caution here. My sister who's ESFP also does the same thing (although rarely, because usually she's surrounded by her friends and talking away), so the whole listening to iPod on the bus thing is not necessarily a good indicator, but it is certainly a start.


I always listen to music. Partly because I like to, but also because it's an excellent excuse for not socialising.

'Oh, sorry! Did you yell me? Ah, I was listening to my music, you see.' *beatific smile*

I'm trying to think of any traits of mine that would set me apart from most girls as an INTJ... but I can't, really.

[blueeyedsusan]

All I know is if people I worked with even understood Myers-Briggs there first clue would be when they ask me if my brain hurts when we are in a discussion and I am speaking intellectually.

[noirartist]

To the original question:

You probably won't get a chance in person. INTJs are rare and females are more so. Online on a forum such as this would probably be your best bet. Here they identify themselves. No recognition required.

[PortInStorm]

However, there seems to be a 'vibe' between NTs, and a lesser one to NFs. It's due to speaking the same N language the books talk about, no doubt. You'll catch each other's eye all of a sudden and KNOW- then sparks fly as you laugh at similar things and talk excitedly about theories, interesting knowledge, start debating with a smile, etc. Sounds bad, but there doesn't seem to be quite as much in an "S"s eye- there's no resonance when you look in there. Which is not to say they're not great people- I married one he was so kind, considerate, and tender.

[NTGirl]

Think Lilith from Frasier!
Well that is who I was compared to once. I'm perkier - BUT - there is that first impression that seems to make people behave when I am around. LOL.

Oh Well.

[eMachine]

Thats very true!

Actually, if you ran across me here's what you'd find:

A girl standing alone off to the side somewhere in a dark room, wearing something entirely within the definitions of "Does it feel good, Does it keep me warm, etc?" such as a hoodie or a simple tshirt and jeans, i always wear a baseball cap or hat of some sort to hide behind, and dark non-attention getting colors. If you stand next to me and are completely obvious you are checking me out, expect me to completely ignore you or simply walk elsewhere. If you give me a compliment, i'll say "uh..thanks" uncomfortably and not say another word. Oh, and i'm always asked by guys "Smile, why don't you smile more!" and my reply is always "Give me something to smile about then or mind your own business!" LOL

But if you walk up and ask me a question about something i'm interested in...philosophy... art... music... psychology... i'll magically transform into a completely different human being and talk so much and so enthusiastically you are likely to be completely enamored by that point :) ....


.... But seriously - that conversation starter is a great question for an INTJ female ;) Just be ready to have your ear talked off from a seemingly quiet and shy person.


Thank you. I was reading this thread from the beginning and contemplating a response, but I can't put it together any better than you did. Except I hadn't thought of the "give me something to smile about" response. I generally just do the fake-grin/raise eyebrows/nod, I'll have to try this response technique you speak of. :nice:

[AnandaMeansBliss]

my first reaction is to scream incoherent strands of language at them to confuse whenever someone is staring at me, likewise I tend to expect others to burst out laughing if I stare at them.

The INTJs definately dress practically, it's just what we do. I'm not sure the quiet reserved indicator is actually true though. I'm an INTJ and I'm fairly loud and charismatic, which may seem to defy the norm. I find that we have a tendency to have little patience for ignorance, and are very short while dealing with it.

I mean.... we do fall on a spectrum of Extraversion--so this makes sense. My default mode is to be an Ixxx but I have become more extraverted over the years...or more balanced. Balance is good I think. Jung called it enantiodromia.
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[Santana28]

i've never met another female like myself. god, that would be wonderful... i've always wondered what it would be like to have a female friend! all of my friends are always guys, but thats only because 99% of the girls i know are materialistic, self-centered, vapid little whores or princesses. I'm sorry, but "lets go shopping and hang out at the mall!" does NOT do it for me.

[mind_wander]

i've never met another female like myself. god, that would be wonderful... i've always wondered what it would be like to have a female friend! all of my friends are always guys, but thats only because 99% of the girls i know are materialistic, self-centered, vapid little whores or princesses. I'm sorry, but "lets go shopping and hang out at the mall!" does NOT do it for me.

lol, so what do it for you then? A nice book to read, etc. etc.

[ssfanatic]

You ask...

[INTJayW]

"Mastermind"; used in some MBTI descriptions to label the INTJ type. Typically implies that the INTJ is a master strategist and planner, that we're somewhere behind the scenes manipulating the action of "lesser mortals".

Who are you manipulating?:cool:

[dissident]

my trouble with the women is always in keeping conversation going. Though I'm an INTJ and in the top 2% of the population in "intelligence" according to tests taken, I don't have a big enough interest in anything really to know lots of "facts" about the topic, outside of the course and my spiritual journey. I enjoy science, quantum physics, philosophy, and politics, but am terrible and remembering specific information, like people, names, places, objects.. I'm good at seeing the "forest for the trees" but not good at the individual details, thus I don't have a whole lot to keep conversation going.

I have a deep down passionate side to me that would come out with the right sort of reflective, intuitive personality type, without the need to have hours of topics to discuss nor the need to discuss much of anything at all. Although I'm convinced I could make someone very happy, getting past the initial hurdles and barriers is the main problem.

My spiritual philosophy has me undoing what is to me a "dream world" not worth getting so involved in, thus I have no interest in even accumulating lots of specific knowledge about topics intelligent people would find

I've always got my eyes open, though. If there's someone out there who's interested in me, I'll find out about it pretty quickly.. and give it my best try, regardless of the outcome!

[rwyatt365]

Who are you manipulating?:cool:
All that come within my grasp! ;D

[Colette]

my trouble with the women is always in keeping conversation going. Though I'm an INTJ and in the top 2% of the population in "intelligence" according to tests taken, I don't have a big enough interest in anything really to know lots of "facts" about the topic, outside of the course and my spiritual journey. I enjoy science, quantum physics, philosophy, and politics, but am terrible and remembering specific information, like people, names, places, objects.. I'm good at seeing the "forest for the trees" but not good at the individual details, thus I don't have a whole lot to keep conversation going.


That's unusual actually. High IQ has been shown to be ordinarily correlated with strong memory faculty. It's easy enough though I think to keep conversations mainly at a general issues level, and in fact these tend to be the most interesting kind for an INTJ (or for me anyway). Once someone starts throwing facts at me, or correcting me on mine, they've pretty much lost my interest; if I want facts I can go and consult the encyclopaedia, or a book of Trivia :)

[PortInStorm]

Yep, that's the same with me. Or figuring out logistics- no thanks. I'll do it if I have to, but let's not talk endlessly about it.

[blueback]

You don't have to know anything to have a conversation with a woman. All you have to be able to do is give her opportunities to tell you how something made her feel and be able to tell her stories that remind her of things she's felt before. No, I'm not talking about INTJ women who are <1% of the population.

Oh, and eye contact, don't be looking at her shoulder or the wall or something.

[apresmoimelle]

Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
Extreme quiet inner strength and confidence. --> might come across as arrogant.

Will challenge you/criticise you, likely won't act according to the male-female interaction conventions. --> if S guys are immediately put off, that's a great indication.

May seem disinterested.

Never *fully* part of the group of friends she hangs out with.

Unconventional, does not care too much about what other people think --> might do weird stuff.

I don't always just dress for comfort...not at all.

Good language.

When talking about complex issues, look for what you do too --> intuition running rampant and Te trying to keep up, which results in very hermetic and quite often downright confusing explanations.

I do smile and laugh.

My eyes start shining when I can talk about uni and what projects I'm involved in. At least on the condition that you show genuine interest in that area of my life - which you might have to convince me of.

Yep. This is me. Especially the "never really part of group she hangs with". I'm that one friend that just walks away because I'm suddenly really, really, really bored or that's just enough socialising for me.

[gogurtdynasty]

I tend to wander off as well. It's like WOOOH i'm around friends this is so fun... alright i'm finished *runs away*

It's pretty common of me to politely ask others to leave me alone (especially when running into my friends when i'd go out to get coffee by my self to enjoy... myself [Somehow I'm really well liked by most people but i think its partly because of my uniqueness... it's perplexing!] and then ask them not to disturb me)

[TheLastMohican]

:thinking:

I have my own more specific quandary:
I might or might not have a harder time typing people than the average person. Of course the fact that I know so much about the types in the first place should make it easier, but I am just referring to those who already are aware of the system.

Anyway, I have a number of male acquaintances (I'm not sure what counts as a "friend") who I know well enough to know they are not INTJ's. There is just one who I think might be, but I do not know him that well yet.

But I rarely speak to any girls. (Not that I speak to the guys that much either, but it's been months since the last time I spoke to any girl who hadn't just asked me a question.) It's not because I am shy around them, I just haven't seen any reason to talk to them.

I think they are all (or at least mostly) non-INTJ's, but I want to know for sure. I would want to know about any INTJ's that I know of, since despite our rarity I seem to be one of the few who has never met another one.

Logistical brick wall: how do I find out if a person is an INTJ if I do not know the person (and do not want to know the person unless the person is in fact an INTJ)?

[f03cuss]

We have nerdy side things to do.

know pi to 28 places.

do physical chemistry for fun.



I don't know PI to 28 places. But i do know my social security number in binary by heart. :)