Carl Jung an INTJ?

[GOD]

Well,

He was introverted. Obviously a great thinker and by virtue of his creativity almost certainly intuitive.

The only question is whether he was Perceiving or Judging. Given the exact two terms are actually his constructs.... then..

I'd say INTJ.. Too absolutely insightful .

My type of thinker…. I’m thinking about buying his type book, if I can find it tomorrow…
[smiley=scholar.gif] Only need to read a few Psych books and I'll have one of those degrees...

[lucki]

INTP is a right-brain type(introverted thinking and extroverted intuition) and tends to be the one to exhibit raw-techinical talent and improvisational skill in whatever the discipline he tends to specialize. So, I think that his identity is based on this numerous technical ability that is accumulated experientially over the years.

On the other hand, INTJ is a left-brain type and much more concerned with the "meaning" or "story" behind various constructs in the discipline he persues. Left-brain processes language, which is a sequential data, and thus INTJ is much more apt to seek sequential consistency in the knowledge he gains. He needs a "hi-story" behind what he knows.

Carl Jung was known to have possessed a huge knowledge in literature, world mythology and gnostic tradition, a "historical" data in order to understand the "history" of an individual human being. From this I think his intuition had been of an introverted kind, and his thinking possibly extroverted as he was much less concerned about the immediate logical consistency of his argument.

[GOD]

INTP is a right-brain type(introverted thinking and extroverted intuition) and tends to be the one to exhibit raw-techinical talent and improvisational skill in whatever the discipline he tends to specialize. *So, I think that his identity is based on this numerous technical ability that is accumulated experientially over the years.

On the other hand, INTJ is a left-brain type and much more concerned with the "meaning" or "story" behind various constructs in the discipline he persues. *Left-brain processes language, which is a sequential data, and thus INTJ is much more apt to seek sequential consistency in the knowledge he gains. *He needs a "hi-story" behind what he knows.

Carl Jung was known to have possessed a huge knowledge in literature, world mythology and gnostic tradition, a "historical" data in order to understand the "history" of an individual human being. *From this I think his intuition had been of an introverted kind, and his thinking possibly extroverted as he was much less concerned about the immediate logical consistency of his argument.



Actually, I've read more about him now... and I'm thinking he's more P.

But, I think flexibility in thought is more an N function. I simply don't agree with current thinking, I see the J as a simple steering mechanism to achieve useful and efficient action. ALL the questions I see pertaining to whether I could have a P function simply revolve around being more disorganized and more chaotic. Chaotic thoughts and chaotic feelings can be contained and need not be displayed externally by actions, the J sees to that.

[lucki]

I see...I kind of thought that messiness might not be a good indicator of whether a person is a J or P though. I think it depends on "where" he is messy in. INTJ has an extroverted Judging/rational function while introverted Perceiving/irrational function, so he may prefer structure to deal with the external matters but in his dominant introverted mode, he can be quite divergent and disorganized. As for Jung, in his dominant mode(his "introverted work"), his thinking was divergent but full of intuition and insights, so this is why I think he's a INTJ.

The right/left brain stuff I said is taken from Lenore Thomson's book by the way. It's a very good read and I highly recommend it. It touches on the J/P difference based on the physiological difference. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[GOD]

I see...I kind of thought that messiness might not be a good indicator of whether a person is a J or P though. *I think it depends on "where" he is messy in. *INTJ has an extroverted Judging/rational function while introverted Perceiving/irrational function, so he may prefer structure to deal with the external matters but in his dominant introverted mode, he can be quite divergent and disorganized. *As for Jung, in his dominant mode(his "introverted work"), his thinking was divergent but full of intuition and insights, so this is why I think he's a INTJ.

The right/left brain stuff I said is taken from Lenore Thomson's book by the way. *It's a very good read and I highly recommend it. *It touches on the J/P difference based on the physiological difference. *To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Yes, I'll read more on the left/right brain use, its something I'm quite interested in.

I've always wondered if my left footed (for soccer/football) and my right handedness ensured that I developed both sides of my brain at a very early age....

I'm currently devising my new grand theory... I believe in Jungs I/E and J/P but I don't actually believe in the MBTI additional F/T... why? To me it just force fits genders into particular roles that were observable when they conducted their studies. Essentially it just hides any error in the typing by lining up genders with the roles they were in anyway.

[HackerX]

Jung identified himself as an INTP.

[Jezebel]

Jung identified himself as an INTP.
Maybe he mistyped. :P

[Ijz]

Jung identified himself as an INTP.
Maybe he mistyped. *:P
I mistype all the time

[HackerX]

Jung identified himself as an INTP.
Maybe he mistyped. :P

There's just something about Jung... I can't think of what... that maybe makes me think he is able to type himself correctly :P

Then again, I don't know what the MBTI tests were like back then compared to now... but considering he was in communication with Briggs & Myers (since MBTI is based on his work), chances are he got the test from the horses mouth so to speak.

[lucki]

Hi, here's a link to John Beebe's view on Jung's type To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . So yes, it seems that Jung himself seems to have wanted other to think that he's an introverted thinking type.

[Henry]

Well,

He was introverted. Obviously a great thinker and by virtue of his creativity almost certainly intuitive.

The only question is whether he was Perceiving or Judging. Given the exact two terms are actually his constructs.... then..

I'd say INTJ.. Too absolutely insightful .

My type of thinker…. I’m thinking about buying his type book, if I can find it tomorrow…
[smiley=scholar.gif] Only need to read a few Psych books and I'll have one of those degrees...



Jung's type is the subject of too much debate. *He was a fairly balanced person, and he was not personally known by enough people to comment on it, and as such is very difficult to type.

If I had to pick, I would probably pick INTJ as well, but its really impossible to say with any accuracy.

[Danellian]

I agree that Jung was INTJ. *From reading some of his writings and reading other stuff about him and his theories, his primary function definately seems to be introverted intuition. *His introverted function is obviously very exploratory and open-ended. *If you read some of his writings about the archetypes, about how he is on this quest of delving within to explore his own inner landscape, it is definately a process of open-ended exploration and not one of closure-seeking decidedness. *Based upon this, I have a hard time believing he was an INTP with a primary introverted judging preference. *Further, I have read before how Ni is focused on delving inward to explore the archetypes, a theory which originates with Jung in the first place, who exhibits that process in his writings. *Looking at his relationship with Freud (not commenting on Frued's type), Jung and his fellow Neo-Fruedians were regarded as creating baseless theories devoid of empirical evidence. *INTJ is known to sometimes hold to their theories regardless of the "facts". *All of this considered, I would need a pretty strong argument to believe Jung was INTP.

[lucki]

From his autobiography "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", he seems to have been a very intuitive kid growing up in a religious family and was very aware of archetypal dynamics in him(he called it his No 2 personality). However, he had to cultivate his introverted thinking quite a bit through his medical studies. So, if we view his analytical nature, then it'd appear as he was an INTP. But he mainly used introverted thinking not as a means to end, but to organize and reflect on the images he was getting from the unconscious of his psyche and others. I think it's clear that his dominant attitude was to immerse himself in the world of archetype and meaning in the unconscious, which is more of INTJ trait.

[GOD]

I haven't yet got hold of Jung's books...

But if my theory is right, Intuitively I'd say he suffered from clinical depression...

Anybody keen to comment...

[Danellian]

Not sure if Jung suffered from clinical depression, but even if he did, I think it would take on different forms for different types, and ultimately, for different individuals. Looking at Jung's overall personality pattern, it seems to exude dominant Ni. I haven't read any of his complete books, but rather, some of his collected works, as well as his descriptions of the personality types, and then knowledge I have of him in relation to Freud. I can also see auxiliary Te, though, looking at his penchant for categorizing his environment into personity types, as evidenced in his creation of his typing system. This seems to indicate an extraverted judging preference, Te in particular.

Don't really know enough about his life, though, to know if he was undergoing something like a major depressive episode, some kind of midlife crisis, or simply undergoing personal growth regardless of what stage of life he was in.

[GOD]

Not sure if Jung suffered from clinical depression, but even if he did, I think it would take on different forms for different types, and ultimately, for different individuals. *Looking at Jung's overall personality pattern, it seems to exude dominant Ni. *I haven't read any of his complete books, but rather, some of his collected works, as well as his descriptions of the personality types, and then knowledge I have of him in relation to Freud. *I can also see auxiliary Te, though, looking at his penchant for categorizing his environment into personity types, as evidenced in his creation of his typing system. *This seems to indicate an extraverted judging preference, Te in particular. *

Don't really know enough about his life, though, to know if he was undergoing something like a major depressive episode, some kind of midlife crisis, or simply undergoing personal growth regardless of what stage of life he was in. *


From the Wiki on Carl Jung.

"As a boy he carved a tiny manikin into the end of the wooden ruler from his pupil's pencil case and placed it inside the case. He then added a stone which he had painted into upper and lower halves of, and hid the case in the attic. Periodically he would come back to the manikin, often bringing tiny sheets of paper with messages inscribed on them in his own secret language. This ceremonial act, he later reflected, brought him a feeling of inner peace and security".

Mother Emilie

"An eccentric and depressed woman"

I'm 75:25 in favour he was a "depressive" and this occurred during his formative years.

[Xenolar]

INTP is a right-brain type(introverted thinking and extroverted intuition) and tends to be the one to exhibit raw-techinical talent and improvisational skill in whatever the discipline he tends to specialize. So, I think that his identity is based on this numerous technical ability that is accumulated experientially over the years.

On the other hand, INTJ is a left-brain type and much more concerned with the "meaning" or "story" behind various constructs in the discipline he persues. Left-brain processes language, which is a sequential data, and thus INTJ is much more apt to seek sequential consistency in the knowledge he gains. He needs a "hi-story" behind what he knows.
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I disagree with this theory. There are numerous examples that I can give you (myself included) of Js who have a noticeable right-brain hemisphere preference, and Ps who have a left-brain hemisphere preference. Similarly, I am not too keen on assigning each MBTI function to a part of the brain (in terms of left/right hemispheres, that is). There is nothing about the Ni function, for example, that to me seems remotely left-hemisphere, but instead, to me appears more right-hemisphere.

[Danellian]

Not sure if Jung suffered from clinical depression, but even if he did, I think it would take on different forms for different types, and ultimately, for different individuals. *Looking at Jung's overall personality pattern, it seems to exude dominant Ni. *I haven't read any of his complete books, but rather, some of his collected works, as well as his descriptions of the personality types, and then knowledge I have of him in relation to Freud. *I can also see auxiliary Te, though, looking at his penchant for categorizing his environment into personity types, as evidenced in his creation of his typing system. *This seems to indicate an extraverted judging preference, Te in particular. *

Don't really know enough about his life, though, to know if he was undergoing something like a major depressive episode, some kind of midlife crisis, or simply undergoing personal growth regardless of what stage of life he was in. *


From the Wiki on Carl Jung.

"As a boy he carved a tiny manikin into the end of the wooden ruler from his pupil's pencil case and placed it inside the case. He then added a stone which he had painted into upper and lower halves of, and hid the case in the attic. Periodically he would come back to the manikin, often bringing tiny sheets of paper with messages inscribed on them in his own secret language. This ceremonial act, he later reflected, brought him a feeling of inner peace and security".

Mother Emilie

"An eccentric and depressed woman"

I'm 75:25 in favour he was a "depressive" and this occurred during his formative years. *







I'm not saying Jung wasn't depressive, but I don't see that this excerpt alone is enough to demonstrate that.

[gabe]

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[HackerX]

intj.org... biased towards intj's, looks at the collected external attributes, ignores anything that Jung didn't show externally, and claims, based on the way Jung created/wrote his theories that's he's an INTJ.

I'm going to slap the next person who types a person this way. Don't care where you are, I'm going to hunt you down and slap you.