I have a stupid idea... (INTJ Manual)

[Doppelbock]

My stupid idea is this: An "owner's manual" or "operator's manual" for INTJ's -- something that close friends, coworkers, and family members of INTJ's could read to understand us and be able to better interact with us. Maybe even written in the form of a humorous (but informative) parody of a real owner's manual, like for a VCR or something, e.g., with sections on installation/setup, troubleshooting, etc.

I came up with this idea because it occurred to me that the standard "canned" MBTI descriptions are descriptive (they tell you various characteristics of INTJ's) but are not prescriptive (they don't tell you how to interact with INTJ's, nothing on the care/feeding of INTJ's, do's/do-not's, etc.) An "owner's/operator's manual" would be prescriptive.

So... stupid idea, or useful?

DBdescriptive title, so the thread is easier to find

[justmeiguess]

There is something similar here: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Although it is more about introverts in general.

Sounds like a good idea, though. Although the next step would be getting them awkward types to read it. ::)

[qwerty]

yes and no... I guess it would be good to be able for people to understand what I mean sometimes.

But in saying that, it's sometimes handy as i lash out at people in ways they can't understand, instill a sense of doubt about themselves in their mind and let them do the rest :).

Then I'm left thinking to myself, if the problem is us then why do they need a manual.

(anyone??)

[chocky]

Isn't the essence of the INTJ that they're kind of self-maintaining?

Really others just need safety warnings not to get too close or poke with sharp objects.

[Doppelbock]

Heh, thanks for the link, justmeiguess. I love the article's definition of an introvert: "Introverts are people who find other people tiring." LOL.

I also liked this: "The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their 98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen to themselves." LOL again.

DB

[Doppelbock]

Isn't the essence of the INTJ that they're kind of self-maintaining?

Really others just need safety warnings not to get too close or poke with sharp objects.

Yes we are self-maintaining. This "owner's manual" I'm proposing is actually a disguised form of self-maintenance; it would provide non-INTJ's with some information that will make my interactions with them go less painfully. For me. (Not for them; don't care.) Hence it's really a form of preemptive self-maintenance.

DB

[rwyatt365]

Isn't the essence of the INTJ that they're kind of self-maintaining?

Really others just need safety warnings not to get too close or poke with sharp objects.

Yes we are self-maintaining. *This "owner's manual" I'm proposing is actually a disguised form of self-maintenance; it would provide non-INTJ's with some information that will make my interactions with them go less painfully. *For me. *(Not for them; don't care.) Hence it's really a form of preemptive self-maintenance.

DB
But I kinda like the idea of "warning stickers" for the uninitiated.

[chocky]

Ahh. A How-to-disuade-the-masses-from-screwing-with-you-and-so-pave-the-way-to-pain-free-world-domination-disguised-as-how-to-care-for-your-intj kind of manual. Thumbs up.

[Doppelbock]

Ahh. A How-to-disuade-the-masses-from-screwing-with-you-and-so-pave-the-way-to-pain-free-world-domination-disguised-as-how-to-care-for-your-intj kind of manual. Thumbs up.

Yes! Yes, that's what it is. But... sssshhhhh! We don't want to let them in on our plans for world domination.

BUWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-[cough]-HA-HA-[cough]-[cough]-[gasp]-[choke]

damn, I need to work harder on the evil mastermind laugh.

DB

[orange]

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there a "dealing with INTJs" section in this link.

[mind_wander]

Great idea well, I used this website: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. as a INTJ compatibility footnote. In order to deal with others, it does helps me too learn about myself and others. Any INTJ's feel free to try.

[rwyatt365]

Ahh. A How-to-disuade-the-masses-from-screwing-with-you-and-so-pave-the-way-to-pain-free-world-domination-disguised-as-how-to-care-for-your-intj kind of manual. Thumbs up.

Yes! *Yes, that's what it is. *But... sssshhhhh! *We don't want to let them in on our plans for world domination.

BUWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-[cough]-HA-HA-[cough]-[cough]-[gasp]-[choke]

damn, I need to work harder on the evil mastermind laugh.

DB
And here is the opening paragraph;
"INTJs are wonderful, delicate creatures. It is their desire to assist humanity to higher levels of prosperity and happiness through the gentle administration of reason and fun. INTJs work best away from the spotlight, so if your INTJ disappears for hours, or days at a time it's only because they are working to make your life better. Remember, whatever your INTJ does, they do it for the betterment of humanity in general and you in particular."
;)

[Max T]

Your ideas and INTJs.
When an INTJ is dissecting your idea, that is their way of complimenting you- they consider your idea worthy of further examination.

But don't take this dissection personally and go into heated argument.
Such actions will lead to more critical examination, as they begin to suspect the credibility of the source too.

[mind_wander]

Ahh. A How-to-disuade-the-masses-from-screwing-with-you-and-so-pave-the-way-to-pain-free-world-domination-disguised-as-how-to-care-for-your-intj kind of manual. Thumbs up.

Yes! *Yes, that's what it is. *But... sssshhhhh! *We don't want to let them in on our plans for world domination.

BUWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-[cough]-HA-HA-[cough]-[cough]-[gasp]-[choke]

damn, I need to work harder on the evil mastermind laugh.

DB
INTJs work best away from the spotlight, so if your INTJ disappears for hours, or days at a time it's only because they are working to make your life better. *;)

Interesting quote, Donald Rumsfield belong into the INTJ, so does that make Donalf Rumsfield ,US Secretary of Defense trying to my life better? Because his INTJ buddy General Colin Powell, US Secretary of State left office. Should I worry?

[rwyatt365]

Interesting quote, Donald Rumsfield belong into the INTJ, so does that make Donalf Rumsfield ,US Secretary of Defense trying to my life better? Because his INTJ buddy General Colin Powell, US Secretary of State left office. Should I worry?
Too literal dude!

We're just having some INTJ-fun with the OP's topic - creating an INTJ Users Manual ;D

[mind_wander]

I meant it originally, as a joke, lol. Not sure, how many took it literally. Sorry.

[Max T]

... back on topic... *::) ;D

INTJs' ideas and you.
When an INTJ discloses an idea to you, don't look at them with bewilderment.
Yes, it may have required a double somersault of imagination to reach their conclusion. *
Instead, ask them to take you through it step-by-step; they will happily oblige.

(On the rare occasion they overlook an apparently obvious, practical fault with their idea (e.g. teleportation not invented), be gentle- they will be feeling very vulnerable).

[rwyatt365]

... back on topic... *::) ;D

INTJs' ideas and you.
When an INTJ discloses an idea to you, don't look at them with bewilderment.
Yes, it may have required a double somersault of imagination to reach their conclusion. *
Instead, ask them to take you through it step-by-step; they will happily oblige.

(On the rare occasion they overlook an apparently obvious, practical fault with their idea (e.g. teleportation not invented), be gentle- they will be feeling very vulnerable).
A slight edit here;

On the rare occasion they overlook an apparently obvious, practical fault with their idea (e.g. teleportation not invented), be gentle- they will be feeling very vulnerable just remember, they have already accounted for this and are currently working on this in their secret lab.

[Max T]

Giving presents to INTJs.
INTJs dislike surprises or having decisions made for them. And will have become so advanced in their passion that they are beyond material want, but instead critiqueing creating the latest theoretical concepts.

This limits present choice to book tokens or cash (for PC or other money pit (which you probably won't even know about)).

Better yet, don't give them anything, since they will only feel burdened with having to reciprocate.

[Firebert]

You don't get along with an INTJ?
Deal with it. They don't care.

[mind_wander]

Giving presents to INTJs.
INTJs dislike surprises or having decisions made for them. *
WE'd definitely dislike surprises. Here is a good example, in giving out an assignment, please and make sure your sentence make sense and not too awkarward. Like this, "Ok everyone, I wanted an assigment with > than 100 pgs. When I heard the 100 pgs first, darn it. Keyword: > than. Many people asked my professor, like 100 pgs, 50 pgs, 20 pgs. I was thinking a hit/miss of 10pgs or so. I was quite accurate.

Any kind of wording like this will surprise the INTJ's; give a heart attack or something. I know my professor was having a fun time doing that to keeping us awake. He got me.

[Natrushka]

Dealing with INTJs on a daily basis.
Be consistent. We can handle emotional exchanges when they make sense or are expected.

[thegnat]

You don't get along with an INTJ?
Deal with it. They don't care.

hahahaha that is Perfect!

Talking with INTJs:
Please, no gossip, relationship, people talk. That's below them. Edited to add: Remember, they think they're God.

[Max T]

Jezebel- in implementing Doppelbock's clever idea, a key issue is how to distil our little inputs. *
Perhaps we could all vote after 2 weeks on all the inputs to reach the funniest (and most acccurate) say 10, and create a seperate subject titled "Non-INTJs: pls read this User guide on handling INTJs".


('perhaps' = 'I think that we should' in as tactful a manner as possible).

[rwyatt365]

Jezebel- in implementing Doppelbock's clever idea, a key issue is how to distil our little inputs. *
Perhaps we could all vote after 2 weeks on all the inputs to reach the funniest (and most acccurate) say 10, and create a seperate subject titled "Non-INTJs: pls read this User guide on handling INTJs".


('perhaps' = 'I think that we should' in as tactful a manner as possible).
How 'bout "We feel...", or "Sunshine and butterflies will follow you if..." for the E's and F's, they'll be sure to read it then.

[Max T]

How 'bout "We feel...", or "Sunshine and butterflies will follow you if..." for the E's and F's, they'll be sure to read it then.
Sorry rwyatt365 you lost me at 'feel' ;D

Conversation with an INTJ
Conversation duration is proportional to level of interest* and degree of friendship.

*Don't discuss weather, relationships, feelings, pets, shopping, parties, desires, reality shows or the past.
Do discuss patterns, theories, what could be, logical conclusions, freedom, frameworks (preferably their own), self-improvement, ambitions and the future.

If you're good at the latter, they might make you their friend.

[OneBadMother]

Dealing with INTJs on a daily basis.
Be consistent. *We can handle emotional exchanges when they make sense or are expected. *

Yeah, I find that it's all right to discuss emotional issues if you do it in a rational, analytical fashion. Then they can help problem-solve.

[rwyatt365]

Sorry rwyatt365 you lost me at 'feel' ;D
An alien concept [smiley=alien.gif] , not meant for the rational mind. Please ignore. ;)

[Firebert]

How 'bout "We feel...", or "Sunshine and butterflies will follow you if..." for the E's and F's, they'll be sure to read it then.

Haha, I was just cruising an MBTI forum where there are all the classes together. You can DEFINATELY pick out the ef's. "I'm very sorry if this offends anyone, but I really feel deep down that people are good."

I Have this REALLY good idea...should I tell an INTJ?
Sleep on it...for a week or so. If it's still so appealing, sleep on it for another week. Then maybe run it by one of us and we'll do our best to pick it apart

[Doppelbock]

Wow, lots of good input for an INTJ Operator's/Owner's manual. Thanks, and keep 'em coming.

If this is to be like a parody of a real owner's manual (or is this a dumb idea?), I'm thinking the outline would be something like this:

(Table of Contents)
Safety Information ("warning: to reduce the risk of shock hazard, etc..." -- made applicable to INTJ's, of course)
Getting Started
Precautions (lots of humorous possibilities here)
Installation Requirements (e.g., DSL line, bookshelf space, "man-cave", etc.)
Setup & Installation
Basic Features
subsections on conversing w/ INTJ's, ...?
Advanced Functions
what subsections?
Troubleshooting
with entries such as...
My INTJ has dissed me?
My INTJ won't talk to me?
My INTJ isn't sensitive to my feelings?
etc.

thoughts, feedback appreciated.

DB

[Max T]

Talking with INTJs:


Conversation with an INTJ

*slaps forehead* sorry thegnat for pinching your idea and being repetitive. :-X
All for the same purpose 'though. :thumbsup:

[Jezebel]

Jezebel- in implementing Doppelbock's clever idea, a key issue is how to distil our little inputs.
Perhaps we could all vote after 2 weeks on all the inputs to reach the funniest (and most acccurate) say 10, and create a seperate subject titled "Non-INTJs: pls read this User guide on handling INTJs".


('perhaps' = 'I think that we should' in as tactful a manner as possible).
We could certainly find a way to organize this into a real manual format.


Conversation with an INTJ
Conversation duration is proportional to level of interest* and degree of friendship.

*Don't discuss weather, relationships, feelings, pets, shopping, parties, desires, reality shows or the past...

Lies! You guys love discussing those topics. Don't make me dig up the evidence...it's all over this forum. ;)

[vulcan]

Giving presents to INTJs.
INTJs dislike surprises or having decisions made for them. And will have become so advanced in their passion that they are beyond material want, but instead critiqueing creating the latest theoretical concepts.

This limits present choice to book tokens or cash (for PC or other money pit (which you probably won't even know about)).

Better yet, don't give them anything, since they will only feel burdened with having to reciprocate.
holy shit. this is sooooo true. i fucking hate present giving rituals. i'll work for my own shit, f*ck off.

[rwyatt365]

Jezebel- in implementing Doppelbock's clever idea, a key issue is how to distil our little inputs. *
Perhaps we could all vote after 2 weeks on all the inputs to reach the funniest (and most acccurate) say 10, and create a seperate subject titled "Non-INTJs: pls read this User guide on handling INTJs".


('perhaps' = 'I think that we should' in as tactful a manner as possible).
We could certainly find a way to organize this into a real manual format.


Conversation with an INTJ
Conversation duration is proportional to level of interest* and degree of friendship.

*Don't discuss weather, relationships, feelings, pets, shopping, parties, desires, reality shows or the past...

Lies! You guys love discussing those topics. Don't make me dig up the evidence...it's all over this forum. * ;)


Shhhh :shhh:, this is to fool the unsuspecting - to lull them into a state of ease then BAM! we take over the world.

Bwahahahaha! :devilish:

[thegnat]

Talking with INTJs:


Conversation with an INTJ

*slaps forehead* sorry thegnat for pinching your idea and being repetitive. :-X
All for the same purpose 'though. :thumbsup:

No problem Max! You just reinforced that my idea was brilliant... ;D

[mind_wander]

Just to add 2 key areas:

1. We are hermits living in our own perceived world.

I really need to write something about this for INTJ because I am called a boardered-line feelers.

2. What are boardered-line feelers[neutral zone] are people accept all feelings. We don't accept deep emotional feelings to some extent; crossing this line end to negative outcomes.

So for those INTJ, like to use your feeling side will not be punished. This gives a neutral grey zone, I noticed some of INTJ's are like, "oh you feel, get out." Please list your comments on this one, so you can install this into the INTJ manual guide.

[orange]

Conversation with an INTJ
Conversation duration is proportional to level of interest* and degree of friendship.

*Don't discuss weather, relationships, feelings, pets, shopping, parties, desires, reality shows or the past...

Lies! You guys love discussing those topics. Don't make me dig up the evidence...it's all over this forum. * ;)


Dealing with INTJs on a daily basis.
Be consistent. *We can handle emotional exchanges when they make sense or are expected. *

Yeah, I find that it's all right to discuss emotional issues if you do it in a rational, analytical fashion. Then they can help problem-solve.

I think the quotes I pulled out of the thread explain why we talk about relation ships on here but would tell people in the manual to NOT tell us about such things in general conversation.

[mind_wander]

After reading the quoted posts, I burst out laughing.

[thegnat]

No mind_wander, you "OMG!!11!! I LOLed." You know. this is for people who don't speak INTJ ;)

[TeleportThis]

You don't get along with an INTJ?
Deal with it. They don't care.

that made me smile

[mind_wander]

No mind_wander, you "OMG!!11!! I LOLed." You know. this is for people who don't speak INTJ ;)

Yeah, but I wanted it inserted, lol. So it makes sense for people who don't know INTJ. Anways back on topic, what about INTJ's who like best to exist all the time in conversational settings.

[Ijz]

If this is to be like a parody of a real owner's manual (or is this a dumb idea?), I'm thinking the outline would be something like this:

(Table of Contents)
Safety Information ("warning: to reduce the risk of shock hazard, etc..." -- made applicable to INTJ's, of course)
Getting Started
Precautions (lots of humorous possibilities here)
Installation Requirements (e.g., DSL line, bookshelf space, "man-cave", etc.)
Setup & Installation
Basic Features
subsections on conversing w/ INTJ's, ...?
Advanced Functions
what subsections?
Troubleshooting
with entries such as...
My INTJ has dissed me?
My INTJ won't talk to me?
My INTJ isn't sensitive to my feelings?
etc.

thoughts, feedback appreciated.

DB

Excellent idea, I'm in.

What about:

Troubleshooting
with entries such as...
My INTJ is trying to take over the world, what do I do?
My INTJ started his/her own religion?
My INTJ just told me I'm retarded?

[Firelie]

FAQs!!

[thegnat]

If this is to be like a parody of a real owner's manual (or is this a dumb idea?), I'm thinking the outline would be something like this:

(Table of Contents)
Safety Information ("warning: to reduce the risk of shock hazard, etc..." -- made applicable to INTJ's, of course)
Getting Started
Precautions (lots of humorous possibilities here)
Installation Requirements (e.g., DSL line, bookshelf space, "man-cave", etc.)
Setup & Installation
Basic Features
subsections on conversing w/ INTJ's, ...?
Advanced Functions
what subsections?
Troubleshooting
with entries such as...
My INTJ has dissed me?
My INTJ won't talk to me?
My INTJ isn't sensitive to my feelings?
etc.

DB

Troubleshooting
with entries such as...
My INTJ is trying to take over the world, what do I do?
My INTJ started his/her own religion?
My INTJ just told me I'm retarded?

My INTJ is trying to take over the world, what do I do?
Remember they're trying to take over the world for the betterment of everyone and everything. Just go ahead and let them. They'll be happy and the world will be a better place.

My INTJ started his/her own religion?
They think they're God and can do whatever the hell they want. Of course they can start a religion if they're God.

My INTJ just told me I'm retarded
You probably are by his/her standards. Don't take offense. Their standards are set so high even they don't meet their own standards.

My INTJ has dissed me?
Have you said anything retarded like talked about gossip or any subject below them recently? Have you been inefficient?

My INTJ won't talk to me?
What subjects do you like to talk about? If it's gossip, etc they don't like to talk about that. What subjects do they like to talk about? If you don't like to talk theories, quantum physics, psychology or any deep topic they're interested in, then pretend you're interested in that, bring it up and let them do the talking for once. They will talk. Nod and smile if you have to. Just don't look like you're going "huh?" cause then they'll stop talking knowing that it's way over your head. And that won't encourage them to talk more to you.

My INTJ isn't sensitive to my feelings?
They aren't even sensitive to their own. Why should they be sensitive to yours?
Plus, it would ruin their reputation if they ever showed emotion.

[OneBadMother]

My INTJ actually asks me how I'm doing, and consistently laughs at my jokes. He even sits next to me at times. Should I be frightened? D:

[mind_wander]

lol, it means you should kiss that person; j/k

[INTJoe]

For employers:

My INTJ consistently strolls into work an hour late and leaves an hour late every day. *He or she seems to make their own hours, however, the job still gets done rather well. *I feel somewhat disrespected. Should I be concerned?

No, you should not feel concerned. Time is relative to the INTJ, and getting the job done right is paramount. *INTJ's do not like wasting time in traffic, so often they will adjust their schedule accordingly to miss AM and PM rush-hour traffic. *The more traffic they miss, the more time they have at home for movies/video games/message boards, etc. You should, however, feel disrespected, although it has nothing to do with them not honoring your work rules. They don't respect you unless you are INT, and even then they don't respect you so go find an EF to whine to, you are wasting my time.

[mind_wander]

For employers:

My INTJ consistently strolls into work an hour late and leaves an hour late every day. *He or she seems to make their own hours, however, the job still gets done rather well. *I feel somewhat disrespected. *Should I be concerned?

No, you should not feel concerned. *Time is relative to the INTJ, and getting the job done right is paramount. *INTJ's do not like wasting time in traffic, so often they will adjust their schedule accordingly to miss AM and PM rush-hour traffic. *The more traffic they miss, the more time they have at home for movies/video games/message boards, etc. *You should, however, feel disrespected, although it has nothing to do with them not honoring your work rules. *They don't respect you unless you are INT, and even then they don't respect you so go find an EF to whine to, you are wasting my time.
Lol, thats harilious. But, lately I normally get up really early in the morning. Not sure why, currently get up 8am. I do hate time wasting and like to get these nice list of things done. Oh well, life is life; you can only control a certain fraction of life to remain peaceful with yourself. Still, 2 hours is a waste of time, hmm doing school work, project, tv watching, or maybe a strolling onto INTJforum[Like a day in the office].

[Doppelbock]

For employers:

My INTJ consistently strolls into work an hour late and leaves an hour late every day. He or she seems to make their own hours, however, the job still gets done rather well. I feel somewhat disrespected. Should I be concerned?

No, you should not feel concerned. Time is relative to the INTJ, and getting the job done right is paramount. INTJ's do not like wasting time in traffic, so often they will adjust their schedule accordingly to miss AM and PM rush-hour traffic. The more traffic they miss, the more time they have at home for movies/video games/message boards, etc. You should, however, feel disrespected, although it has nothing to do with them not honoring your work rules. They don't respect you unless you are INT, and even then they don't respect you so go find an EF to whine to, you are wasting my time.

Thanks, good one. I've added it to the list.

This is evolving into an "INTJ Handbook", not really a parody of an "Operator's Guide" like I first thought. I'll post it here soon for further feedback.

DB

[INTJoe]

Operators Guide sounds funny, but we may have to clean up some of the responses to organize it in that form.

This could actually be pretty funny, I'd love to print it out for my ISTJ girlfriend. "You're so messy and lazy!"

[Doppelbock]

Since there's an 8500 character max limit on posts, I'll have to find somewhere to post the "handbook" and provide a link.

DB

[mind_wander]

You must a trusted candidate to do that. But, there is plenty of INTJ's someone would like to do it.

[Doppelbock]

Okay, here it is: the first very rough draft of the "INTJ Handbook", largely based on inputs from this INTJ Forum. Feedback and additional inputs would be much appreciated.

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DB

[Ijz]

Okay, here it is: the first very rough draft of the "INTJ Handbook", largely based on inputs from this INTJ Forum. Feedback and additional inputs would be much appreciated.

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DB

ROFL, never knew the truth could be so funny [smiley=cheesy.gif] [smiley=cheesy.gif] [smiley=cheesy.gif]

Perhaps one point of attention. The section about "My INTJ keeps disappearing. Is this normal?" is pretty long, I would consider trimming it down a bit.

Otherwise, its plain brilliant DB :thumbsup:

[mind_wander]

Its not true, actually slowly there are becoming more INTJ's popping up. I talked to my professor about INTJ, he said that INTJ's are still quite rare. It means that INTJ's are not becoming extinct; they are popping all over the world in small increments.


How come in the guide this answer is not in there:
Why does my INTJ just start nodding and smiling after we’ve been talking for a couple of minutes?A: The reason why INTJ start nodding and smiling is because INTJ are thinking about something else previously; wanted to share it with others. It could be a smile, grin w/ smile, happy/cheerful smile, laughter of no return, etc. As for the nodding, it can be boring [please reframe to the next topic], nodding no.2- yeah I understand ya completely [Wow, someone truely understand me], Nodding no.3- WTF and why am I here.

[qwerty]

Very enjoyable read.

Maybe needs a section on why my INTJ doesn't care about me after he tried to explain his idea to me and I didn't listen.

Or maybe how to respond when an INTJ tells you an idea and how to hear it.
E.g. Idea's can be like programming paradigms sequential, function, object driven or logical. Don't expect your INTJ to present in one single format if he sees it's not making sense or if it is not describable.

Sequential Idea - The Cat sat on the mat. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. The cat gets off the mat.

catOnMat();
foxJumpsDog();
catOffMat();

Functional Idea - The cat is preforming the act of sitting. The fox jumps over the dog and the cat gets scared so it runs away.

(lambda (Q, R) :- (lambda (S) (( lambda(X) :- sitting ) cat) ( ( lambda (T, U) ( lambda(Y,Z) :- jumping (lazy(P) :- dog) ) fox) (( lambda(X) :- jumping ) cat)) )
[Sorry if that's wrong it's early this morning, Edit: I think it should be right now(someone want to check?)].


Object driven - There are 3 animals a cat and 2 dogs. Dogs are inherently lazy, excepted for foxes which are a type of dog that are quick. Foxes like to jump over dogs that are not foxes, and in the case of this happening it will trigger a cat to leave the mat which is a Persian rug made in the 19th century.

Define animal;
Define cat extends animal
Attribute rug = parentRug
sitOnMat(parentRug);
getOffMat(parentRug);
Define dog extends animal
movement = lazy;
Define fox extends dog
colour = brown
movement = quick;
jump(animal a){ rug.c.getoffmat(); };
Define rug
attribute cat c = new cat();
attribute type = persian
attribute date = 19th century

rug r = new rug;
r.c.parentRug(r);
dog d = new dog;
dog f = new fox;

Logical:
There exists a Fox (F) ^ There Exists a Dog (D) ^ There exists a Cat (C).
forall jump(F,D) -> getOff(C, Mat).
dog -> lazy(D)
fox -> quick(F)

[INTJoe]

Dude. What the hell is all that!? We're not all programmers man! :o

[INTJoe]

"37% of INTJ’s have IQ’s that place us in the top 2% of the general population."

That is wrong. lol. 37% of those IN the top 2% are INTJ, not 37% of INTJ's are top 2%.

That would be pure insanity. Haven't gotten to the rest yet. Hell, leave the stat. on there for all I care, nobody outside INTJ would be smart enough to notice the error! :P

[qwerty]

Dude. What the hell is all that!? We're not all programmers man! :o
Just different ways to explain the same thing. looking at it there are errors but even the most dimwitted individual with a PHD in Quantum Cognitive Neural Physics should be able to read it and see the point.

The cat sitting on a mat is a state operation within a quantified universe.
The quick brown fox converges with the universe containing the classifier of the lazy dog during the jumping due to a temporal shift.
And all three universes collide to make reality when the cat runs away.


See simple.

[mind_wander]

well it should be under the title: How to talk with Programmer INTJ's.

[Doppelbock]

Okay, here it is: the first very rough draft of the "INTJ Handbook", largely based on inputs from this INTJ Forum. Feedback and additional inputs would be much appreciated.

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DB

ROFL, never knew the truth could be so funny [smiley=cheesy.gif] [smiley=cheesy.gif] [smiley=cheesy.gif]

Perhaps one point of attention. The section about "My INTJ keeps disappearing. Is this normal?" is pretty long, I would consider trimming it down a bit.

Otherwise, its plain brilliant DB :thumbsup:

Thanks, I'll remove the second part of that section. Didn't come across as funny as I thought it would anyway.

DB

[Doppelbock]

Its not true, actually slowly there are becoming more INTJ's popping up. I talked to my professor about INTJ, he said that INTJ's are still quite rare. It means that INTJ's are not becoming extinct; they are popping all over the world in small increments.


How come in the guide this answer is not in there:
Why does my INTJ just start nodding and smiling after we’ve been talking for a couple of minutes?A: The reason why INTJ start nodding and smiling is because INTJ are thinking about something else previously; wanted to share it with others. It could be a smile, grin w/ smile, happy/cheerful smile, laughter of no return, etc. As for the nodding, it can be boring [please reframe to the next topic], nodding no.2- yeah I understand ya completely [Wow, someone truely understand me], Nodding no.3- WTF and why am I here.

Sorry, I must have missed that one. I tried to search all threads for inputs but hard to keep up that way. Anyway it would ruin the closing gag to put it in now.

DB

[Doppelbock]

Very enjoyable read.

Maybe needs a section on why my INTJ doesn't care about me after he tried to explain his idea to me and I didn't listen.

Or maybe how to respond when an INTJ tells you an idea and how to hear it.


Those might be good sections, I'll see what I can put in for it. The programming stuff would probably not go over that well except to a fairly narrow audience, though.

DB

[Doppelbock]

"37% of INTJ’s have IQ’s that place us in the top 2% of the general population."

That is wrong. lol. 37% of those IN the top 2% are INTJ, not 37% of INTJ's are top 2%.

That would be pure insanity. Haven't gotten to the rest yet. Hell, leave the stat. on there for all I care, nobody outside INTJ would be smart enough to notice the error! :P

Actually it is correct as written. 37% of INTJ's are in the top 2% for IQ.

See here: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. for another way to state this:

"Moreover, if you encounter an INTJ (Introverted, iNtuitive, Thinking, Judging), there is a 37% probability that his IQ places him in the top 2 percent of the population. The probability is 20% for an INTP, 15% for an INFJ, and 8% for an INFP. These four types account for 66% of the high-IQ population but only 6% of the total population."

DB

[Doppelbock]

Okay, new version has been posted with the latest changes.

DB

[mind_wander]

Its not true, actually slowly there are becoming more INTJ's popping up. I talked to my professor about INTJ, he said that INTJ's are still quite rare. It means that INTJ's are not becoming extinct; they are popping all over the world in small increments.


How come in the guide this answer is not in there:
Why does my INTJ just start nodding and smiling after we’ve been talking for a couple of minutes?A: The reason why INTJ start nodding and smiling is because INTJ are thinking about something else previously; wanted to share it with others. It could be a smile, grin w/ smile, happy/cheerful smile, laughter of no return, etc. As for the nodding, it can be boring [please reframe to the next topic], nodding no.2- yeah I understand ya completely [Wow, someone truely understand me], Nodding no.3- WTF and why am I here.

Sorry, I must have missed that one. *I tried to search all threads for inputs but hard to keep up that way. *Anyway it would ruin the closing gag to put it in now.

DB

After you commented on that, I found it amusing. The drawing the big blank, lol.

As I came across this, it is very amusing and so true as an INTJ:
We live inside our heads. We frequently zone out. We get lost in thought and spend much of our time inside our heads. If our immediate reality becomes boring, we will retreat into our minds, and you might have to shout our names repeatedly to get our attention so we will come out again. And no, sorry, but you can’t come into our heads with us. You wouldn’t last five minutes there. You’d be driven insane by the nonstop cacophony of overlapping voices madly free-associating from one idea to the next.

This happens to me in many occasions. Sad to say it :(

[INTJoe]

"37% of INTJ’s have IQ’s that place us in the top 2% of the general population."

That is wrong. *lol. *37% of those IN the top 2% are INTJ, not 37% of INTJ's are top 2%.

That would be pure insanity. *Haven't gotten to the rest yet. *Hell, leave the stat. on there for all I care, nobody outside INTJ would be smart enough to notice the error! * :P

Actually it is correct as written. *37% of INTJ's are in the top 2% for IQ.

See here: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *for another way to state this:

"Moreover, if you encounter an INTJ (Introverted, iNtuitive, Thinking, Judging), there is a 37% probability that his IQ places him in the top 2 percent of the population. The probability is 20% for an INTP, 15% for an INFJ, and 8% for an INFP. These four types account for 66% of the high-IQ population but only 6% of the total population."

DB

Nevermind, that should be about right. Because there are ~2% INTJ's in the pop. and top 2% is obviously 2%, then it shouldn't matter if you said "37% of people in the top 2% are INTJ's", or "if you meet an INTJ, there is a 37% chance he/she is top 2%."

My bad! ;)

[mind_wander]

This question has been bothering me for quite sometime now. Why is it I am not so good or horrorable with quizes/tests/exams, but on the personality test said my IQ is high? I do know myself that I'm smart and studied, but too much information to comprenhend in what is relevant and which is not.

[Doppelbock]

This question has been bothering me for quite sometime now. Why is it I am not so good or horrorable with quizes/tests/exams, but on the personality test said my IQ is high? I do know myself that I'm smart and studied, but too much information to comprenhend in what is relevant and which is not.

Many possible reasons. My son, for example, is pretty smart but he misinterprets instructions and gets bad grades sometimes. For example, he did an in-class math assignment where the teacher said she just wanted to see their answers, not their work -- he interpreted this to mean he had to work the problems out in his head, without being allowed to do any work on paper, so he got a bad grade. He takes things very literally. Could it be that this or other similar social miscues are causing you some problems?

DB

[orange]

Its not true, actually slowly there are becoming more INTJ's popping up. I talked to my professor about INTJ, he said that INTJ's are still quite rare. It means that INTJ's are not becoming extinct; they are popping all over the world in small increments.


How come in the guide this answer is not in there:
Why does my INTJ just start nodding and smiling after we’ve been talking for a couple of minutes?A: The reason why INTJ start nodding and smiling is because INTJ are thinking about something else previously; wanted to share it with others. It could be a smile, grin w/ smile, happy/cheerful smile, laughter of no return, etc. As for the nodding, it can be boring [please reframe to the next topic], nodding no.2- yeah I understand ya completely [Wow, someone truely understand me], Nodding no.3- WTF and why am I here.

Sorry, I must have missed that one. *I tried to search all threads for inputs but hard to keep up that way. *Anyway it would ruin the closing gag to put it in now.

DB


Love it. I can't wait for the next draft. Loved the ending, but if you still want to include that stuff you could make a small section toward the middle called "The Meaning of the nod" or something like that. with content similar to:

"The reason why INTJ start nodding and smiling is because INTJ are thinking about something else previously; wanted to share it with others. It could be a smile, grin w/ smile, happy/cheerful smile, laughter of no return, etc. As for the nodding," each of the first few nods means something diffrent.
1)"it can be boring [please reframe to the next topic]"
2)"yeah I understand ya completely [Wow, someone truely understand me"...please]
3)"WTF and why am I here"
4)SHUT UP!!!!!
5)SHUT UP!!!!!
6)SHUT UP!!!!!
7)Please just go ahead and kill me.


Granted, doing that would only make sence after nodding has been mentioned and when the handbook gets long eough that most ..ummm....ppl wouldnt really remeber it by the time they get to the ending. Did I mention that I love the einding?

Note: this post (and reading the handbook) was done while I was with my firends, but they are boring so I left them in mind and came here. at one point one of the said "your quiet today, you should talk" or atleast somehitng like that, I wasn't listening. Sooo annoying!

[Jezebel]

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[mind_wander]

Its not true, actually slowly there are becoming more INTJ's popping up. I talked to my professor about INTJ, he said that INTJ's are still quite rare. It means that INTJ's are not becoming extinct; they are popping all over the world in small increments.


How come in the guide this answer is not in there:
Why does my INTJ just start nodding and smiling after we’ve been talking for a couple of minutes?A: The reason why INTJ start nodding and smiling is because INTJ are thinking about something else previously; wanted to share it with others. It could be a smile, grin w/ smile, happy/cheerful smile, laughter of no return, etc. As for the nodding, it can be boring [please reframe to the next topic], nodding no.2- yeah I understand ya completely [Wow, someone truely understand me], Nodding no.3- WTF and why am I here.

Sorry, I must have missed that one. *I tried to search all threads for inputs but hard to keep up that way. *Anyway it would ruin the closing gag to put it in now.

DB


Love it. I can't wait for the next draft. Loved the ending, but if you still want to include that stuff you could make a small section toward the middle called "The Meaning of the nod" or something like that. with content similar to:

"The reason why INTJ start nodding and smiling is because INTJ are thinking about something else previously; wanted to share it with others. It could be a smile, grin w/ smile, happy/cheerful smile, laughter of no return, etc. As for the nodding," each of the first few nods means something diffrent.
1)"it can be boring [please reframe to the next topic]"
2)"yeah I understand ya completely [Wow, someone truely understand me"...please]
3)"WTF and why am I here"
4)"Hmm, this is getting really boring, oh crap! I just remembered my favorite show is on. If I had to decide listening to this blah, blah and watching my favorite show; my choice is definitely the favorite show :thumbsup:." Ok, be patient just look interestedjust smile and nod; maybe no one will notice.
5)SHUT UP!!!!!
6)SHUT UP!!!!!
7)SHUT UP!!!!!
8)Please just go ahead and kill me.


Granted, doing that would only make sence after nodding has been mentioned and when the handbook gets long eough that most ..ummm....ppl wouldnt really remeber it by the time they get to the ending. Did I mention that I love the einding?

Note: this post (and reading the handbook) was done while I was with my firends, but they are boring so I left them in mind and came here. at one point one of the said "your quiet today, you should talk" or atleast somehitng like that, I wasn't listening. Sooo annoying!
I had to re-edit just one step to add more humor too it. Not everyone gonna get the joke, if you do great :thumbsup:

[Chainsaw Dundee]

I don't think it's a stupid idea, but I think most INTJ's learn all that stuff on their own. Thats what makes us INTJ's.

[Jezebel]

I don't think it's a stupid idea, but I think most INTJ's learn all that stuff on their own. Thats what makes us INTJ's.
But it isn't for us. It's for other types to learn about INTJs.

[GOD]

"37% of INTJ’s have IQ’s that place us in the top 2% of the general population."

That is wrong. *lol. *37% of those IN the top 2% are INTJ, not 37% of INTJ's are top 2%.

That would be pure insanity. *Haven't gotten to the rest yet. *Hell, leave the stat. on there for all I care, nobody outside INTJ would be smart enough to notice the error! * :P

;D LMAO...

37% of INTJ's ARE in the top 2% of IQ.

It doesn't matter whether you say 37% of INTJ's are in the top 2% or 37% of the top 2% of society has INTJ's in there.

It would only matter if INTJ's say comprised a % <> than 2% of the population in general.

Think about it. Its ok, everyone has an F day once in a while.

:P :P :P

[Jezebel]

Okay, here are questions about INTJs people are typing into search engines when they find this forum:

why are intjs hard to love
why is he ignoring me? intj
why do people dislike intjs
how to tell if an intj is in love with you
how to be an intj
how to recognize an intj
how to change an intj
how intjs work
how smart are intjs
how to break up with intj
how to meet intjs
how to handle intj
what intjs hate
what is dating intj like
why does my intj hate physical affection
why do i bother intjs
why is intj so rare
whats it like to be intj
what causes intj to be angry all the time
why intj professor ignores me
how to woo an intj
how to talk to an intj
what perfume intj men like (????)

[orange]

I don't think it's a stupid idea, but I think most INTJ's learn all that stuff on their own. Thats what makes us INTJ's.
But it isn't for us. It's for other types to learn about INTJs.

I was thinking about that in before my first class today. I know that this is not for INTJs, but the title does kinda make it sound like it is intended for INTJs.

maybe cange it to something like interacting with INTJs for dummies... wait, that probally would cause leagle trouble. Maybe something more like 'Manual for interaction with INTJs'. In either case I know what it means so I don't really care if other do.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

I don't think it's a stupid idea, but I think most INTJ's learn all that stuff on their own. Thats what makes us INTJ's.
But it isn't for us. It's for other types to learn about INTJs.

hmm

Well then one page of the book would have to be composed of acid blotter paper, to open their mind up enough to be able to grasp what they're reading.

[Doppelbock]

I don't think it's a stupid idea, but I think most INTJ's learn all that stuff on their own. Thats what makes us INTJ's.
But it isn't for us. It's for other types to learn about INTJs.

I was thinking about that in before my first class today. I know that this is not for INTJs, but the title does kinda make it sound like it is intended for INTJs.

maybe cange it to something like interacting with INTJs for dummies... wait, that probally would cause leagle trouble. Maybe something more like 'Manual for interaction with INTJs'. In either case I know what it means so I don't really care if other do.

How about "A Normal Person's Guide to the INTJ"? Or, "Interacting with INTJ's for Fun and Profit"? Or "What EVery Person Should Know About INTJ's"? Or...

[orange]

I had to re-edit just one step to add more humor too it. Not everyone gonna get the joke, if you do great *:thumbsup:

Oh, I get it. I just wish I had come up with that part. ;)

[Doppelbock]

Okay, here are questions about INTJs people are typing into search engines when they find this forum:

why are intjs hard to love
why is he ignoring me? intj
why do people dislike intjs
how to tell if an intj is in love with you
how to be an intj
how to recognize an intj
how to change an intj
how intjs work
how smart are intjs
how to break up with intj
how to meet intjs
how to handle intj
what intjs hate
what is dating intj like
why does my intj hate physical affection
why do i bother intjs
why is intj so rare
whats it like to be intj
what causes intj to be angry all the time
why intj professor ignores me
how to woo an intj
how to talk to an intj
what perfume intj men like (????)

This is very, very helpful. Now we just need answers for these, and I can add them to the FAQ section.

[orange]

I don't think it's a stupid idea, but I think most INTJ's learn all that stuff on their own. Thats what makes us INTJ's.
But it isn't for us. It's for other types to learn about INTJs.

I was thinking about that in before my first class today. I know that this is not for INTJs, but the title does kinda make it sound like it is intended for INTJs.

maybe cange it to something like interacting with INTJs for dummies... wait, that probally would cause leagle trouble. Maybe something more like 'Manual for interaction with INTJs'. In either case I know what it means so I don't really care if other do.

How about "A Normal Person's Guide to the INTJ"? *Or, "Interacting with INTJ's for Fun and Profit"? *Or "What EVery Person Should Know About INTJ's"? *Or...

gather a collection of names and make a poll?
right now my fav would be "A Normal Person's Guide to the INTJ."

[Doppelbock]

I thought of another interesting INTJ thing, about not showing emotion. Not sure how to fit this in, though. I guess I'll just ask it as a question: Have any of you ever cried during a movie, and if so, what movie and scene? (i.e., like when Old Yeller died)?

My hypothesis is that an INTJ is more apt to cry at non-human things, like the liftoff in "Apollo 13" -- a very emotional moment... damn, excuse me for just a sec... ... ... there, I'm okay now -- than some gushy/feely human-relationship moment. Thoughts?

DB

[NoahAddle]

Crying is something I don't usually do during movies... ever. *But there are 2 instances when that has happened that I can remember. *

1. *In 'Saving Private Ryan' in one of the climactic scenes when the nazi soldier and the american jew were fighting each other and the pacifist german translator serviceman failed to act to save his friend's life.

2. *In the movie 'Rudy' when Rudy prevails in realizing his lifelong dream of beating the odds to make it onto the football field and makes his father and brother proud.

BTW, I really like the manual that has been put together so far.

[orange]

Conversation with an INTJ
Conversation duration is proportional to level of interest* and degree of friendship.

*Don't discuss weather, relationships, feelings, pets, shopping, parties, desires, reality shows or the past...

Lies! You guys love discussing those topics. Don't make me dig up the evidence...it's all over this forum. * ;)



If we are going to includ this we could put something like..

In the rare times that we DO want to talk about realationships or something esle we have said not to talk to us about, WE will start the topic! If we choose to speak about such things to you, FEEL SPECIAL because you have been intrusted with a small and vurnerable part of us that doesn't exsist.

in Q&A where it says something about dont talk to us about relationships, or if it fits better somewhere esle put it there. I don't feel like reading it again to find the best spot in the current version.

[Ijz]

I thought of another interesting INTJ thing, about not showing emotion. Not sure how to fit this in, though. I guess I'll just ask it as a question: Have any of you ever cried during a movie, and if so, what movie and scene? (i.e., like when Old Yeller died)?

My hypothesis is that an INTJ is more apt to cry at non-human things, like the liftoff in "Apollo 13" -- a very emotional moment... damn, excuse me for just a sec... ... ... there, I'm okay now -- than some gushy/feely human-relationship moment. Thoughts?

DB

Perhaps rephrase it into a question like "What movie should I take my INTJ to?" or "How do I get my INTJ to cry?".

[INTJoe]

"37% of INTJ’s have IQ’s that place us in the top 2% of the general population."

That is wrong. *lol. *37% of those IN the top 2% are INTJ, not 37% of INTJ's are top 2%.

That would be pure insanity. *Haven't gotten to the rest yet. *Hell, leave the stat. on there for all I care, nobody outside INTJ would be smart enough to notice the error! * :P

;D LMAO...

37% of INTJ's ARE in the top 2% of IQ.

It doesn't matter whether you say 37% of INTJ's are in the top 2% or 37% of the top 2% of society has INTJ's in there.

It would only matter if INTJ's say comprised a % <> than 2% of the population in general.

Think about it. Its ok, everyone has an F day once in a while.

:P :P :P



God, look 8 posts up, where I already discussed this....lol. Yes you are right, originally I assumed INTJ's made up more than 2% of the general pop., but because it is 2.1% it is basically the same as the 2% Mensa-eligible so it does not matter how you say it.

If there were fewer INTJ's in teh general pop., and 37% of the top 2% IQ's were INTJ, then there would be an even GREATER than 37% chance that the INTJ in question was Mensa-eligible.

[INTJoe]

"Hitchhikers Guide to the INTJ"
or
"Everything you ever wanted to know about INTJ's, but were afraid to ask...for DUMMIES"

I don't show emotion but I do get a little wetness on the eyeballs at the end of Rocky II. So much going on there. Rocky's baby is at home asleep while he's getting his head beaten in and Adrian is there at home with the baby watching on TV crying after he and Creed fall to the canvas and Rocky gets up at the count of 9 while Creed falls back to the canvas. All the while drunk Pauly is yelling "GET UP!!!" and smashing his can of beer aside Adrian.

I've probably seen that movie 35 times, but if you catch me on an off, "F", day I just might ask you to hand me a tissue.

Rudy is also a good choice. I've never welled up at that movie but could totally see why someone would.

[mind_wander]

I would like to take a jab at the title: Do you qualify as an INTJ?

This title make so much sense, because the INTJ list is so long. Somewhere your mind should start making a mental checklist.

[deicruxified]

suggestion: intj punchlines as we see in movies, here in the forums... everywhere...

screensaver mode - (v) is a trance-like state intj has as a defense mechanism. intj people switch to screensaver mode automatically when faced with situations such us, boring professors, nonsensical parties, etc. in cases such mentioned, they'd prefer to throw eggs at ana nicole smith than listen to your stories.

i got a some stuff in another website.... can we have a good intj answer for this one

they say god is an intj. is he really an intj?

:edit:

another section --- PARENTS GUIDE: HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOUR KID IS AN INTJ?

[deicruxified]

my mind is fucked up... but here it goes..

how to be an intj
stroll in a beach... if you find a lamp, rub it and make a wish. just make sure you're smart enough to tell if there really is a djin otherwise, you'll never be an intj for being so desperate and gullible

how to change an intj
see above and you'll have an idea

how to break up with intj
just tell us the truth. for sure we'll reply, "sure why not?" and go on with our lives.

what is dating intj like
wear the best outfit you got and we'll match it with the "best" house clothes we got.

why does my intj hate physical affection
because we're not dogs that feel bliss after moments of rubbing. if you're not satisfied, get a dog.

why do i bother intjs
can we help it if we're irresistibly beautiful, smart and sexy. poor thing.

how to woo an intj
try going here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) or here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and see if they got answers to your question.

what perfume intj men like (????)
listen, we're not dogs that rely on sniffing. probably this could help: buy yourself additional brain cells and see how far your mind goes.

[thegnat]

1. how to be an intj:
a) bury yourself in a mound of books.
b) nerd out on a favorite subject
c) wander around by yourself
d) don't give a damn about what others think of you
e) be able to talk about your favorite subject, understand it fully.
f) if you're unable to understand fully your subject that you nerd out on, can't think of anything while you walk around by yourself, then you're screwed. You're constitutionally incapable.

2. How to change an intj:
You can't. They're too stubborn.

3. what is dating like?
Dating? what is that?

4. Why does my intj hate physical affection?
Cooties.

5. Why do I bother intjs?
Are you stupid, ignorant, presumptuous, know-it-all, loud?

6. how to woo an intj:
take an interest in the subject they nerd out on. don't be an idiot. They still won't recognize it.

7. What perfume intj men like?
I'm not a man, but I'm going to guess an ether. Make sure you tell them it's some kind of ether. Not the brand name. They'll know the ether, not the brand name.

[Jezebel]

With Doppelback's permission, I have also added the manual to this website (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) in a more collaborative book format. I also made a thread here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) concerning the use of this domain.

[Max T]

7. *What perfume intj men like?
I'm not a man, but I'm going to guess an ether. *Make sure you tell them it's some kind of ether. *Not the brand name. *They'll know the ether, not the brand name.
;D that's spookily close- I've not used a men's perfume for years. It appears so dysfunctional to pay a high price for brand advertising that promotes a smell that often only lasts an hour.
An anti-perspirant deodorant has sufficient fragrance and usefulness for this INTJ.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

I can give you my views on this ;D


3. what is dating like?
Excellent, as they probably have studied every single material ever made on gourmet cooking and/or cunninglingus. Don't expect much else though, especially from the phone.

:-X

What if your INTJ is not responding to prying questions or keystrokes?
You're probably annoying them. Leave them the fuck alone before they blow up your head with their telekinetic abilities.

[Rei]

You don't get along with an INTJ?
Deal with it. They don't care.

hahahaha that is Perfect!

Talking with INTJs:
Please, no gossip, relationship, people talk. That's below them. Edited to add: Remember, they think they're God.



Talking to INTJ's?
CUT TO THE FRIGGING CHASE!

[Chainsaw Dundee]

You don't get along with an INTJ?
Deal with it. They don't care.

hahahaha that is Perfect!

Talking with INTJs:
Please, no gossip, relationship, people talk. That's below them. Edited to add: Remember, they think they're God.



Talking to INTJ's?
CUT TO THE FRIGGING CHASE!

Agh, yes indeed. When people don't do that, I want to grab them around the neck and squeeze until they stop breathing. Such a waste of precious air.

What gets me is when you ask somebody a question, and they don't answer it. So you have to ask it about 3 to 9 more times until they finally get it.


For example:

Me: "How far of a drive is that?"
F-tard: "It takes about 20 minutes"
Me: "So how far is it?"
F-tard: "Ah, not too far"
Me: "But.how.f'ing.far.is.it?!"
F-tard: "Oh, you mean like in miles or whatever?"
Me: "Yes, distance-wise"
F-tard: " :-/"
F-tard: "...I like pie!"

[INTJoe]

3. what is dating like?
Excellent, as they probably have studied every single material ever made on cunninglingus.
:-X


wow. :o

[Chainsaw Dundee]

3. what is dating like?
Excellent, as they probably have studied every single material ever made on cunninglingus.
:-X


wow. :o


Sorry if I came off as perverted there. Perhaps I was being a little too vague. Cunninglingus is sometimes referred to as "eating [slang word for vulva]", and Hannibal Lecter just happens to be an INTJ.

"Why do you keep a can of Fava beans in the condom drawer, Chainsaw Dundee?"

[smiley=whip.gif]

[Rei]

You don't get along with an INTJ?
Deal with it. *They don't care.

hahahaha that is Perfect!

Talking with INTJs:
Please, no gossip, relationship, people talk. *That's below them. *Edited to add: Remember, they think they're God.



Talking to INTJ's?
CUT TO THE FRIGGING CHASE!

Agh, yes indeed. When people don't do that, I want to grab them around the neck and squeeze until they stop breathing. Such a waste of precious air.

What gets me is when you ask somebody a question, and they don't answer it. So you have to ask it about 3 to 9 more times until they finally get it.


For example:

Me: "How far of a drive is that?"
F-tard: "It takes about 20 minutes"
Me: "So how far is it?"
F-tard: "Ah, not too far"
Me: "But.how.f'ing.far.is.it?!"
F-tard: "Oh, you mean like in miles or whatever?"
Me: "Yes, distance-wise"
F-tard: " :-/"
F-tard: "...I like pie!"

How about when you ask a person "So have you had lunch yet?"
and they waste your time by answering with, "I ate an omlette and... and... and....*insert the story of their lives and what they did all morning.*"

Man... I didn't ask you WHAT you ate... just if you ate yet!

[Doppelbock]

To generalize the preceding: it is a pet peeve of ours when people answer our question with information having nothing to do with the question we asked them.

[mind_wander]

With Doppelback's permission, I have also added the manual to this website (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) in a more collaborative book format. I also made a thread here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) concerning the use of this domain.
Thanx, Doppelbock [unformatted version] and Jezebel [formatted version] of the INTJ guide. For people just want a big laugh then the unformatted version fits best. As the other, for all above. When looking through this post, I find it so amusing I never thought the MUSE process was so fun. After recognizing of the pattern, in class we were discussing about the MUSE process- It allows everyone input their fears/hopes/realisitic dreams/goals/Get to the main point ideas. While, we are still concocking more ideas; keep it up. I think this more as an AMUSE process, as compared to the general MUSE process :)

[Doppelbock]

The MUSE has also inspired a "Curry On My Egg Foo Yung" parody of "Carry On My Wayward Son". I'll post it here when it's finished.

DB

[mind_wander]

Great, man this is better watching a regular movie. Thats big complement, we sure do got a creative mind; imaginative script writers :)

[Doppelbock]

Inspired by some stupid stuff in the INTJ Handbook, I hereby give to you, all my peeps on INTJ Forum, the following:

Curry On My Egg Foo Yung -- a parody of Kansas's "Carry On My Wayward Son"

Curry on my egg foo yung
Burned a piece right off my tongue
Hey, I nearly bled to death
I won't try no more

Once I dozed, and woke in hungry confusion
Just realized I need a huge food infusion
Thought I'd score me some Chinese food,
Maybe moo-goo-gai...
So my eyes the Yellow Pages they did scan
So I grabbed my coat and wallet, and then ran
To a nearby Chinese-Thai place
Didn't see them put...

(Chorus)
Curry on my egg foo yung
Burned a piece right off my tongue
Hey, I nearly bled to death
I won't try no more

Serenading everyone with my screaming
Need first aid, in pain I sit here blaspheming
My palate just can't take strong spices,
Onion's as far as I can go...
I'd have informed Liu Lee of my spice aversion
When to his restaurant I made my excursion
But of course to my misfortune, I
Didn't know they put...

(Chorus repeats)

Curry on -- yo, my tongue you've dismembered
Curry on -- well, next time I'll remember
Now my stomach is still empty
But I can't taste or swallow or chew ...

DB ;)

[Rei]

I have something to add to the "Conversing with INTJ" section

Do NOT talk to us about menial things that have nothing to do with us when we are (and have explicitly stated that we are) stressing out over something. If you do, do not be offended when we A) ignore you, B) tell you to piss off, C) first A) then B) when you don't stop. If you commence making faces or saying things like, "Aww, you're mean" after B) or C), we will probably not even dignify that with an answer, and probably not talk to you again for a very, very, very, VERY long time.

Then again, i think this has already been generalized an stated.


I'm sorry if someone has already suggested this, but I think we need a "How to live with INTJ's" section.
Including our cleanliness habits, eating habits, our schedules, our planning... ramble ramble ramble

[Chainsaw Dundee]

I have something to add to the "Conversing with INTJ" section

Do NOT talk to us about menial things that have nothing to do with us when we are (and have explicitly stated that we are) stressing out over something. If you do, do not be offended when we A) ignore you, B) tell you to piss off, C) first A) then B) when you don't stop. If you commence making faces or saying things like, "Aww, you're mean" after B) or C), we will probably not even dignify that with an answer, and probably not talk to you again for a very, very, very, VERY long time.

Then again, i think this has already been generalized an stated.


I'm sorry if someone has already suggested this, but I think we need a "How to live with INTJ's" section.
Including our cleanliness habits, eating habits, our schedules, our planning... ramble ramble ramble

Indeed. That is basically what I was trying to say.

[aude]

How does a intj deal with a emotional person

Intj would typically walk off and find the nearest frying pan. A few good whacks and where all set to deal with you. Or in most cases intjs will either go into screen saver mode or walk off.


I like this idea of setting up a manual for such idiocies :). Not saying its bad but good for a chuckle, and may help those around us

[Rei]

why are intjs hard to love
I wonder too. I personally think we're brilliant and more than worthy of love from everyone smart enough to notice that. Oh wait... so THAT's the problem...
why is he ignoring me? intj
Because you're annoying, and you didn't get the point when he dismissed you.
why do people dislike intjs
Again, I don't know. We're very nice/helpful people.
how to tell if an intj is in love with you
When they actually seek you out to spend time with you. When they think the things you say are interesting even though they don't agree with you.
how to be an intj
be distant, be thoughtful, be private, be critical
how to recognize an intj
look above
how to change an intj
prove them wrong
how to meet intjs
on the internet... is probably the only place they'll be constantly active
how to handle intj
You don't.
what intjs hate
refer to pet peeves
what is dating intj like
really great, intimate, creative, long lasting...



conversation
Got c'ya didn't I?
why do i bother intjs
You're probably either incompetent or you talk too much.
how to woo an intj
find something on his/her long list of interests that interest you also, and read up... probably the best way you can start any kind of conversation with an INTJ.
what perfume intj men like (????)
I like the smell of dettol... but I'm not a man...

[deicruxified]

GOD'S COMMANDMENTS
intj house rules

1. i am an independent hermit living in my own 4 walls, thou shalt not disturb me
- whether we live in our own homes or others' we still have our own world wherein you are just a speck of it.

2. thou shalt not put my intellect in vain with your nonsense or i'll scrutinize yours, thus speeding the process of your own enlightenment.
- nuff zed.

3. thou shalt not enter my room unless authorized
- my room is a sacred place. in science, it can be called superstrings or chaos theory whichever you prefer. in religion, it's zen or voodoo, again, whichever

4. thou shalt knock first before you enter
- if i don't answer you after 3 (three) knock, it means i don't need humans. if you fail to knock, don't ask why i will be installing a burglar alarm in my door in the future.

5. thou shalt not clean our room
- if you think my room is unorganized, dirty or whatever, you're wrong

6. thou shalt not interfere when we are cooking nor criticize what we cook - when i cook, you eat otherwise go to the nearest mcdonald's and eat lard. i will know what foods you don't want to eat (what ingredients you are allergic to, etc). if i cook them, it's because i want to get rid of you in my life.

7. thou shalt not destroy our schedule
- don't ask where i am going or when i will be back. you will be informed eventually when i get back home. if i don't, it's none of your business

8. when i speak, thou shalt not interrupt

9. thou shalt not talk about showbiz

10. thou shalt not invite/force us to watch reality tv shows or soap operas

11. thou shalt not fail to buy groceries good for one week

12. thou shalt not slam doors

13. thou shalt not criticize our taste of music

14. if you want to ask a questions, thou shall evaluate them first.
- we don't answer stupid questions.

:edit:

15. thou shalt not go bawlering, crying, hyperventillating and sobbing at us ranting how god has forsaken you for making your b/gf broke up with you for another man/woman/gay/lesbian/bi/animal
- because we don't give a damn

...add more

[xtremegeek]

I would appreciate the INTJ manual - the humor and the science of it. To market it to the E's, just title it INTJ For Dummies; slap a price tag on your manual and the E's will buy it up. For the F's, give your manual a flowery cover and title it Chicken Soup for the non-INTJ soul

[OneBadMother]

Only thing left to market it to is the Ss. I don't spend enough time around Ss to know how you'd go about doing that, unless it became a bestseller. <_<

[deicruxified]

I would appreciate the INTJ manual - the humor and the science of it. *To market it to the E's, just title it INTJ For Dummies; slap a price tag on your manual and the E's will buy it up. *For the F's, give your manual a flowery cover and title it Chicken Soup for the non-INTJ soul


nice idea...

calling all intj's... let's collect our experiences with F people lol

[xtremegeek]

Only thing left to market it to is the Ss. I don't spend enough time around Ss to know how you'd go about doing that, unless it became a bestseller. <_<

Well, as an SJ myself, I would suggest you claim that it was sanctioned by one of the three main religions (depending on which country you were marketing) Christianity, Judiasm, Muslim. If they think that it's sanctioned by their God, they'll buy it up. For the minority of Ss who are atheist/agnostic, make it look like a law book and put it in the law section of the library.

[aude]

GOD'S COMMANDMENTS
intj house rules

1. i am an independent hermit living in my own 4 walls, thou shalt not disturb me
- whether we live in our own homes or others' we still have our own world wherein you are just a speck of it.

2. thou shalt not put my intellect in vain with your nonsense or i'll scrutinize yours, thus speeding the process of your own enlightenment.
- nuff zed.

3. thou shalt not enter my room unless authorized
- my room is a sacred place. in science, it can be called superstrings or chaos theory whichever you prefer. in religion, it's zen or voodoo, again, whichever

4. thou shalt knock first before you enter
- if i don't answer you after 3 (three) knock, it means i don't need humans. if you fail to knock, don't ask why i will be installing a burglar alarm in my door in the future.

5. thou shalt not clean our room
- if you think my room is unorganized, dirty or whatever, you're wrong

6. thou shalt not interfere when we are cooking nor criticize what we cook - when i cook, you eat otherwise go to the nearest mcdonald's and eat lard. i will know what foods you don't want to eat (what ingredients you are allergic to, etc). if i cook them, it's because i want to get rid of you in my life.

7. thou shalt not destroy our schedule
- don't ask where i am going or when i will be back. you will be informed eventually when i get back home. if i don't, it's none of your business

8. when i speak, thou shalt not interrupt

9. thou shalt not talk about showbiz

10. thou shalt not invite/force us to watch reality tv shows or soap operas

11. thou shalt not fail to buy groceries good for one week

12. thou shalt not slam doors

13. thou shalt not criticize our taste of music

14. if you want to ask a questions, thou shall evaluate them first.
- we don't answer stupid questions.

:edit:

15. thou shalt not go bawlering, crying, hyperventillating and sobbing at us ranting how god has forsaken you for making your b/gf broke up with you for another man/woman/gay/lesbian/bi/animal
- because we don't give a damn

...add more
Must of took a lot of dwelling of ideas to come up with such a list :). Nice post

[deicruxified]

after reading the manual...

@ piercings and tattoos - whoa!! i just removed my piercings (because of work) and i do henna tattoos for fun and profit every summer time. does that scrape me off from the intj group? i'm emo... i'll flip :suspicious: hahaha

[aude]

after reading the manual...

@ piercings and tattoos - whoa!! i just removed my piercings (because of work) and i do henna tattoos for fun and profit every summer time. does that scrape me off from the intj group? i'm emo... i'll flip :suspicious: hahaha
i hope it doesnt count either. I used to be a rivet head, and still have most of my piercings. So i wonder if you both still count ;)

[Doppelbock]

Thanks for the recent inputs, everyone -- I'll try to get them into the handbook tomorrow.

FYI, I'll be on vacation next week with limited/no online access. Please keep the inputs coming and I'll get to them when I'm back in town.

DB

[mind_wander]

If there is something to contribute, glad to do it. Can't think of any, expect for that one question with a big blank answer. Like to fill that one in.

[orange]

If there is something to contribute, glad to do it. Can't think of any, expect for that one question with a big blank answer. Like to fill that one in.
ROFL

[mind_wander]

My J side says, it has to be something, ok lets just say it can be any amounts of reasons.

[deicruxified]

Must of took a lot of dwelling of ideas to come up with such a list :). Nice post
thanks... there are typos actually but i will be editing them in a while (when the boss is not around). hehehe most of them are based on experience - living with an extreme esfj, my mom. if you could add more stuff to it, BETTER ;D

[mind_wander]

Typo's bound to happen when using a computers; we discount that, as you making mistakes :)

[aude]

I dont care about my typos, I know that i hastily type and have alot of grammatical errors. Every one has there flaws and thats what makes us human. :)

[deicruxified]

You don't get along with an INTJ?
Deal with it. *They don't care.

hahahaha that is Perfect!

Talking with INTJs:
Please, no gossip, relationship, people talk. *That's below them. *Edited to add: Remember, they think they're God.



Talking to INTJ's?
CUT TO THE FRIGGING CHASE!

Agh, yes indeed. When people don't do that, I want to grab them around the neck and squeeze until they stop breathing. Such a waste of precious air.

What gets me is when you ask somebody a question, and they don't answer it. So you have to ask it about 3 to 9 more times until they finally get it.


For example:

Me: "How far of a drive is that?"
F-tard: "It takes about 20 minutes"
Me: "So how far is it?"
F-tard: "Ah, not too far"
Me: "But.how.f'ing.far.is.it?!"
F-tard: "Oh, you mean like in miles or whatever?"
Me: "Yes, distance-wise"
F-tard: " :-/"
F-tard: "...I like pie!"

same situation!!!


[10/25/2007 2:34:36 PM] + kat + says: who will maria and i supposed to meet later?
[10/25/2007 2:34:46 PM] + kat + says: it's cancelled ayt?
[10/25/2007 2:35:09 PM] + kat + says: regarding speedzone i guess
[10/25/2007 2:35:15 PM] "boss" says: no meeting today
[10/25/2007 2:35:33 PM] "boss" says: so gym for you both
[10/25/2007 2:35:56 PM] + kat + says: ok. it's for speedzone ayt>
[10/25/2007 3:44:21 PM] "boss" says: yes correct
[10/25/2007 3:44:30 PM] "boss" says: and you will replace Jay-I
[10/25/2007 3:45:07 PM] + kat + says: err... what has jay-i done with the speedzone thing... just to have things clarified.. i will plan strategies
[10/25/2007 4:34:08 PM] "boss" says: you will be replacing her
[10/25/2007 4:34:21 PM] "boss" says: you will be part of the team
[10/25/2007 4:35:13 PM] + kat + says: ok... what did jay-i left?
[10/25/2007 4:35:38 PM] "boss" says: she leaving tomorrow for India
[10/25/2007 4:37:12 PM] + kat + says: i mean her workload with the speedzone event
[10/25/2007 4:37:33 PM] "boss" says: she were member of the comitee

arrgh!!

[thegnat]

I don't think anyone has mentioned that this is such a brilliant idea it has now five things to it. Sorry my descriptive abilities are at an all time low now

[mind_wander]

If there is something that bothers you too much. Feel free to add that into the INTJ manual, who knows everyone might felt the same way.

[Doppelbock]

Alright dammit, is anybody going to comment about my brilliant "Curry On My Egg Foo Yung" parody? I'm starting to get insecure here! ;)

DB

[mind_wander]

Dopple,

Ah you kinda forgot about us INTJ's, we loved it when you first posted it up. Don't like to send comments all that much. I was rolling in laughter, when I read it. Feel better now?

[orange]

Alright dammit, is anybody going to comment about my brilliant "Curry On My Egg Foo Yung" parody? *I'm starting to get insecure here! * ;)

DB

sorry, I thought its greatness went without saying ;)

[Doppelbock]

"Feel"?!??! >:(

Doh! That'll teach me to act out!

thanks
DB

[mind_wander]

lol, yeah something in the INTJ manual says something about feeling. Since, your feeling does that mean there is an error in the INTJ manual guide we've created? Hmm, I wonder. Afterall, you proved it for us. Now we have to go back to the drawing board. See now what you done! LOL.

[Doppelbock]

My response to you is pictorially represented by my avatar. ;)
DB

[mind_wander]

hmm, so blaming you've got a drinking problem huh... No wonder your emotions[feelings] coming out.

[orange]

lol, yeah something in the INTJ manual says something about feeling. Since, your feeling does that mean there is an error in the INTJ manual guide we've created? Hmm, I wonder. Afterall, you proved it for us. Now we have to go back to the drawing board. See now what you done! LOL.
we have feelings... they live in that part of us that "doesn't exsist." no error. ;D

[mind_wander]

I was making a joke, lol not sure someone would take it literally. But, yeah we do and its there. As for emotions to come out, it really depends. Note: Keep it lock up too long, you will go insane.

[orange]

remeber my playing along thread? I take everything literally even when I dont take it lierally... just in case.

[mind_wander]

Yeah me too, it happens. In this world of INTJ's sometimes we take it literally and something we do it for fun.

[Rei]

We spend more time thinking about our feelings than actually feeling them. When we actually feel them, we're get confused because we think it makes no sense.

[24687531]

We spend more time thinking about our feelings than actually feeling them. *When we actually feel them, we're get confused because we think it makes no sense.
Well said.

[Troublems]

We spend more time thinking about our feelings than actually feeling them. When we actually feel them, we're get confused because we think it makes no sense.
Well said.
Absolutely.

"I'm happy."
"Why?"
"Because I ate chocolate."
"Why does that make you happy?"
"Because it has endorphins in it."
"Why do they make you happy?"
"...chemicals?"
"And why do they make you happy?"

And then you just start running around in circles because the answer "Just because they do" is never really good enough. Then again, we'd never be happy unless we could continually question any idea, so I guess it follows logically.

[mind_wander]

Right on, actually I just ate some M&M's cool how you just said that *:thumbsup:

[Doppelbock]

Okay, I am back now from vacation and hope to get some more time to devote to the handbook later this week. I have a couple of other web-related projects competing for my attention, though.

I am leaning towards the following as a new title for the handbook:

The Compleat Idiot's Guide to the INTJ

Here's why I think this is the best title:
It subtly implies that non-INTJ's are idiots
"Compleat" is more snobbish than "Complete"
It makes it clear that this is a guide to the INTJ, not a guide for INTJ's.

Thoughts? Any other suggestions?

Thanks
DB

[Jezebel]

I like it. :thumbsup:

[Solaris]

We spend more time thinking about our feelings than actually feeling them. *When we actually feel them, we're get confused because we think it makes no sense.

Holy crap, I've been trying to make sense of that forever. Finally, somebody was able to put that into words! Seriously, thank you!

[Solaris]

Okay, I am back now from vacation and hope to get some more time to devote to the handbook later this week. I have a couple of other web-related projects competing for my attention, though.

I am leaning towards the following as a new title for the handbook:
* *
The Compleat Idiot's Guide to the INTJ

Here's why I think this is the best title:
It subtly implies that non-INTJ's are idiots
"Compleat" is more snobbish than "Complete"
It makes it clear that this is a guide to the INTJ, not a guide for INTJ's.

Thoughts? *Any other suggestions?

Thanks
DB


It makes me think of the time a Coast Guardsmen told my my work corps students that "you have to be more smarter to be in the Coast Guard." He realized what he said a second too late.

[Doppelbock]

I just made some edits to the INTJ guide (on intjcentral.com) based on posts on this thread since the last time I updated it. I couldn't fit everything in nicely, in particular deicruxified's list of "thou shall's", while funny and well written, doesn't seem to fit and duplicates some of the ideas already there. Let me know if you agree/disagree, and anything else you think I should have included, and we can discuss.

I made one other change as well, with Jezebel's concurrence, and that is to add a copyright statement. If you wish, you can copy the guide and post it wherever you want as long as you leave the copyright notice in place with a link back to the intj forum.

Thanks,
DB

[Jezebel]

I just made some edits to the INTJ guide (on intjcentral.com) based on posts on this thread since the last time I updated it. *I couldn't fit everything in nicely, in particular deicruxified's list of "thou shall's", while funny and well written, doesn't seem to fit and duplicates some of the ideas already there. *Let me know if you agree/disagree, and anything else you think I should have included, and we can discuss.

I made one other change as well, with Jezebel's concurrence, and that is to add a copyright statement. *If you wish, you can copy the guide and post it wherever you want as long as you leave the copyright notice in place with a link back to the intj forum.

Thanks,
DB
Though, to be honest, I don't even see the point in allowing people to copy it at all without permission. They could just link back to the site. No point in hurting our site's traffic because of people duplicating our site content.

[Doppelbock]

True. Just thought that by being extra-accommodating we might get better exposure (not that this forum is hurting for participation!)

DB

[Jezebel]

True. *Just thought that by being extra-accommodating we might get better exposure (not that this forum is hurting for participation!)

DB
What might happen is people duplicate the content, the search engines won't know which one is the original, so other sites might place higher than us for our own content. It's unlikely that I'd give anyone a hard time about it unless it was causing a problem, but I'd like to have the luxury of being able to ask people to remove it if it ever does.

Plus, people linking to it instead of copying the whole thing will bring traffic in to see the other things our our sites, instead of just keeping the traffic confined to their site (hopefully someday we'll have more than the handbook on intj central). I know we requested a link back, but if they can get everything they need to see on another site they might not bother.

[Doppelbock]

True. Just thought that by being extra-accommodating we might get better exposure (not that this forum is hurting for participation!)

DB
What might happen is people duplicate the content, the search engines won't know which one is the original, so other sites might place higher than us for our own content. It's unlikely that I'd give anyone a hard time about it unless it was causing a problem, but I'd like to have the luxury of being able to asking people to remove it if it ever does.

Plus, people linking to it instead of copying the whole thing will bring traffic in to see the other things our our sites, instead of just keeping the traffic confined to their site (hopefully someday we'll have more than the handbook on intj central).

Ah. Good points, that I'm embarrassed to admit I hadn't considered. You want me to remove the "permission granted" part and just leave it at "All rights reserved"? That'd be fine by me.

DB

[Doppelbock]

I went ahead and just made it copyright, all rights reserved, and took out the permission-granted part. I also put the statement at the bottom of each separate link/section, just to be safe.

DB

[mind_wander]

How about doing this, in resolving the copyright issues. Put the citation as, Editors: DB and Jez with other contributors from INTJ forums. This way people wanted to know exactly, what INTJ forums is about? This way, it does not lose its copyright creditability and losing traffic flow.

[Solaris]

Brilliant!

[mind_wander]

Sevs, bring out a good point.
How do INTJ's step outward using the "E", still being an INTJ?
A: In order to do try to flex the "E", still being an INTJ. Depending based on previous experiences being an INTJ. First, must understand on how to environmental scanning what the "E" talks about within their conversations. Based on the MTBI, INTJ's has the tendencies to become great observers, which INTJ does fit the description. Second, you should be able to used your intuitive skills, like tuning into a certain radio frequency[harness in on one frequency from multiple directions], incase your favorite topic comes in, then that is when you cut into the conversation. Once, you got the internal ability to filtered out the difference between the general "E" conversations and what would the "I" conversations like to talk about; mentally quickly process the conversation, then talk about your interest which best fits. Caution: take small steps, never great leaps because INTJ has an "I",it is not an "E", in the end would become very draining. Great to find someone who has an "E" personality type with similar wavelength thinking, this should make the whole experience interesting.

[Theoden]

A few things:

1. This idea is brilliant.

2. Seeing the need for a system, I can't help but to offer up the notion of a WIKI. I mean, come on! This handbook could grow enormously if we just opened it up for decent editing. BTW, the edgy humour is very much appreciated.

3. I would add something about interruptions - but hesitate to use the word.. Most people don't view inquiries as interruptions, which they are. "Come to dinner now!" is an interruption. "Didn't you hear me?! It's time for dinner now!" is another. As is "ARE YOU DEAF? COME TO THE TABLE AND F*CKING BE CIVILIZED!"

What Normal people fail to realize is that unless they are in some kind of hyper-active switched-on mode, INTJs are in some kind of semi-conscious dream state. Even if they appear to be sitting at their computer browsing some silly personality forum with 100 tabs open, they're in a dream state and they're plotting improvements to the world. And having some discourteous IDIOT yelling their head off at your in the middle of a terribly satisfying dream is enough to make you want to rip their head off. "Why haven't you taken the garbage out yet?" is because the INTJ has not yet had an interruption in their train of thought.. and taking the garbage out just doesn't rank high enough to wake them up.

4. I'd put something in about word selection. I don't usually get hung-up on how people talk - they're imperfect and I just shudder when I hear them speak, and get on with life. Unless, of course, they're already in dangerous territory [putting forth irrational ideas]:

non - "Before heading home, I need to pick up some Christmas gifts from the shopping mall"
INTJ - "Are there other sorts of malls you frequent when buying gifts for Christmas?"
non - "What?"
INTJ - forget it.

[Theoden]

Actually, thought of another thing:

Q. "An INTJ sounded like an idiot, then became hostile when I asked about something they've been privately working on."

A. Let's say an INTJ is starting a business. You, being the outgoing-understanding investigative buddy decides to quiz the INTJ on something to do with it..
e.g. "How will anyone know about your business?
If they're in a super-good mood, you _might_ get a real answer. Otherwise, you will get a calculated, totally non-revealing brush-off answer. Push further, and you'll just get outright hostility. Why? Because the INTJ has a business plan in his/her head, which, if translated onto paper, would rival the Encyclopedia Britannica. The section-nay-chapter-nay-volume on "business promotion" would itself weigh more than all the books the question-poser had read in the past 5 years. Discussing this plan and doing it any kind of justice would require a few weeks, and quite probably a considerable amount of alcohol, just to withstand the audience.

So the INTJ took all of this into account when they brushed off your social inquiry in the first place.

[mind_wander]

A few things:

1. This idea is brilliant.

2. Seeing the need for a system, I can't help but to offer up the notion of a WIKI. I mean, come on! This handbook could grow enormously if we just opened it up for decent editing. BTW, the edgy humour is very much appreciated.

3. I would add something about interruptions - but hesitate to use the word.. Most people don't view inquiries as interruptions, which they are. "Come to dinner now!" is an interruption. "Didn't you hear me?! It's time for dinner now!" is another. As is "ARE YOU DEAF? COME TO THE TABLE AND F*CKING BE CIVILIZED!"

What Normal people fail to realize is that unless they are in some kind of hyper-active switched-on mode, INTJs are in some kind of semi-conscious dream state. Even if they appear to be sitting at their computer browsing some silly personality forum with 100 tabs open, they're in a dream state and they're plotting improvements to the world. And having some discourteous IDIOT yelling their head off at your in the middle of a terribly satisfying dream is enough to make you want to rip their head off. "Why haven't you taken the garbage out yet?" is because the INTJ has not yet had an interruption in their train of thought.. and taking the garbage out just doesn't rank high enough to wake them up.

4. I'd put something in about word selection. I don't usually get hung-up on how people talk - they're imperfect and I just shudder when I hear them speak, and get on with life. Unless, of course, they're already in dangerous territory [putting forth irrational ideas]:

non - "Before heading home, I need to pick up some Christmas gifts from the shopping mall"
INTJ - "Are there other sorts of malls you frequent when buying gifts for Christmas?"
non - "What?"
INTJ - forget it.

Wow, this is so true, as an INTJ. I always get criticized when this crap happens. I do got other things to do, like emailing to my teamates about stuff. Then, its time to eat dinner, yeah yeah, just a few more minutes, will not kill you. Geez, I thought this is common, but apparently, other INTJ's feel this.

[phoenix]

Activities this morning around our household reminded me of another section we should probably add to the handbook - How to handle an INTJ who is sick or hurt.

My response to this would be DO NOT tell us we have to go to the hospital. When we are sick or hurt, our ability to focus on an issue gets turned inward and we start analyzing the issue. If we need to go to the hospital, we will *know* we need to go. So don't even bring it up. Any attempts to take us to the hospital will be met with hostility. How much hostility we display will depend on how much we trust and care about you.

This morning's incident was a common one for me. I get low blood sugar. The effects are to make me moody, grumpy, and easily angered. This is (obviously) not my normal state of being. Did I know I had low blood sugar? Yes. Did I care? Not really. Why did I continue to clean the house rather than taking the 15 minutes needed to get a bowl of cereal or a cup of yogurt? Well, mainly because I find it fascinating how my brain is affected by low blood sugar, and I wanted to watch it for a while.

I did eventually eat the yogurt, and all returned to normal. But it got me thinking about how we handle physical issues. Living in our minds can cause us to lose track of physical needs like eating, sleeping, etc... This does not mean that we will ignore our body when it tells us there is a problem. Honest. We pay attention, and we will tell someone if the problem is big enough that we don't feel we can handle it on our own.

[ps646566]

Wow, this is so true, as an INTJ. I always get criticized when this crap happens. I do got other things to do, like emailing to my teamates about stuff. Then, its time to eat dinner, yeah yeah, just a few more minutes, will not kill you. Geez, I thought this is common, but apparently, other INTJ's feel this.

I can certainly relate to that. It comes from single-minded concentration on the 'task' in hand. Doesn't make it right, though. If someone has taken the trouble to prepare a meal, and we know that, are going to sit down and eat it, then we should have the courtesy to cut short what we are doing and go to it before the food gets cold, or the other person is halfway through theirs. It's immaturity if we don't -- similar behaviour to what many children display. Not so say that I always comply with my own advice here -- but I should.

[mind_wander]

I can certainly relate to that. It comes from single-minded concentration on the 'task' in hand. Doesn't make it right, though. If someone has taken the trouble to prepare a meal, and we know that, are going to sit down and eat it, then we should have the courtesy to cut short what we are doing and go to it before the food gets cold, or the other person is halfway through theirs. It's immaturity if we don't -- similar behaviour to what many children display. Not so say that I always comply with my own advice here -- but I should.

yeah, true. Kinda hard one hand trying to juggling another thing on your other hand.

[Theoden]

Activities this morning around our household reminded me of another section we should probably add to the handbook - How to handle an INTJ who is sick or hurt.

My response to this would be DO NOT tell us we have to go to the hospital. When we are sick or hurt, our ability to focus on an issue gets turned inward and we start analyzing the issue. If we need to go to the hospital, we will *know* we need to go. So don't even bring it up. Any attempts to take us to the hospital will be met with hostility. How much hostility we display will depend on how much we trust and care about you.

This morning's incident was a common one for me. I get low blood sugar. The effects are to make me moody, grumpy, and easily angered. This is (obviously) not my normal state of being. Did I know I had low blood sugar? Yes. Did I care? Not really. Why did I continue to clean the house rather than taking the 15 minutes needed to get a bowl of cereal or a cup of yogurt? Well, ma