The Ultimate List of Famous INTJs

[Xenolar]

I have come across many websites with lists of famous INTJs, yet many have different lists. So recently, I have decided to compile all of these lists to form the Ultimate INTJ lists. I have also written down several whom I speculate to be INTJs, while not yet having been affirmed. I would like this list to be constantly improved upon, so feel free to discuss any individuals who should or shouldn't be on the list. Also feel free to engage in discussion.

Here it is--the mega-list:


* Angela Lansbury - actress (Murder, She Wrote)
* Arnold Schwarzenegger - actor, Governor of California
* Arthur Ashe - tennis champion
* Augustus Caesar - Roman Emperor
* C. Everett Koop - former U.S. Surgeon General
* C. S. Lewis - apologist, author (The Chronicles of Narnia)
* Calvin Coolidge - American President
* Charles Rangel - politician, decorated war veteran
* Chester A. Arthur - lawyer, American President
* Chevy Chase - actor, comedian
* Dan Akroyd - actor, comedian, musician
* Donald Rumsfeld - former U.S. Secretary of Defense
* Dwight D. Eisenhower - American President
* Edwin Moses - Olympic gold medalist
* General Colin Powell - former U.S. Secretary of State
* Greg Gumbel - TV sportscaster
* Hannibal Barca - Military Commander
* Ivan Lendl - tennis champion
* James K. Polk - American President
* Jane Austen - author (Pride and Prejudice)
* Joan Lunden - Journalist
* Josephine Tey - English author
* Katie Couric - journalist
* Lance Armstrong - cyclist (seven Tour De France wins)
* Maria Shriver - journalist, wife to Arnold Schwarzenegger
* Martina Navratilova - tennis champion
* Michael Dukakis - former Governor of Massachusetts
* Orel Hershiser - baseball player (pitcher)
* Pernell Roberts - actor, activist
* Peter Jennings - journalist
* Raymond Burr - actor (Perry Mason), vintner
* Rudy Giuliani - former New York City mayor
* Sir Isaac Newton - Astronomer
* Susan B. Anthony - civil rights leader
* Thomas Jefferson - American President
* Veronica Hamel - actress
* William F. Buckley, Jr. - journalist
* William J. Bennett - politician
* Woodrow Wilson - American President
* General Ulysses S. Grant – Union general, American President
* Friederich Nietzsche – philosopher
* Niels Bohr – physicist
* Peter the Great – Russian tsar
* Stephen Hawking – astrophysicist
* John Maynard Keynes –
* Lise Meitner – chemist
* Ayn Rand – philosopher, author
* John F. Nash Jr. – mathematician, game theorist
* Norbert Wiener – mathematician, founder of cybernetics
* Nikola Tesla – physicist, engineer, inventor
* Glenn Gould – Canadian pianist and composer
* Stanley Kubrick – film director (2001: A Space Odyssey)
* Jean-Paul Sartre – philosopher
* Erik Satie – composer, pianist
* Helmuth von Moltke – German military general
* Isaac Asimov – biochemist, science-fiction author (I Robot)
* Theodore Kaczynski – infamous “Unabomber”
* Lewis Carroll – author, logician, mathematician
* Franz Kafka – author

* Calvin – Calvin and Hobbes
* Cassius – The Tragedy of Julius Caesar
* Clarice Starling - Silence of the Lambs
* Batman – Batman Begins
* Dexter – Dexter’s Laboratory
* Dr. Jonathan Crane - Batman Begins
* Dr. Otto Octavius (Doc Ock) - Spiderman 2
* Ellen Ripley - Alien
* Ensign Ro Laren - Star Trek: The Next Generation
* Ernst Stavro Blofeld - James Bond
* Gandalf - Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit
* George Smiley - John Le Carr character
* Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs
* Jigsaw – Saw films
* Marsellus Wallace - Pulp Fiction
* Michael Corleone - Godfather
* Mr. Burns - The Simpsons
* Mr. Darcy - Pride and Prejudice
* O-Ren Ishii - Kill Bill Vol. 1
* Phileas Fogg – Around the World in Eight Days (novel and film adaptations)
* Professor Moriarty - Sherlock Holmes antagonist
* Sherlock Holmes
* Reed Richards – the Fantastic Four
* Stewie Griffin - Family Guy
* Tom Hagen – Godfather
* V - V for Vendetta
* Vicious - Cowboy Bebop
* Victor von Frankenstein
* Vito Corleone – Godfather
* Willy Wonka – Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

[OneBadMother]

Reed Richards is definitely INTJ. One of the few superheroes who are INT, I think.

Not sure about Calvin, though. He seems more like an INFP.

[Henry]

Am I the only one who has ever heard of Joseph Campbell?

[Xenolar]

Am I the only one who has ever heard of Joseph Campbell?

Hmmm...I never thought of including him on the list. Good choice. It's still possibly that he is an xNFJ, though. But he definitely has an xNxJ vibe. I'll definitely keep him on the waiting list.

Also, what do you think of Nostradamus? Perhaps also a candidate. He is almost certainly an Ni type.

[qwerty]

Yeah pretty sure Calvin (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is listed as infp on most sites...

[The Many]

Sartre (INFP) and Holmes (INTP) are probably not INTJs, along with Calvin then.

However, Andy DuFresne from The Shawshank Redemption is definitely an INTJ. Adolf Hitler may very well be one too - he is either INTJ or INFJ, which applies for Osama Bin Laden as well. Also, the Spanish philosopher José Ortega y Gasset, one of Sartre's main influences, was most likely an INTJ.

[deicruxified]

if anyone's reading the wheel of time, i do think moiraine sedai is an intj.

max stirner is an intj i think... the one nietzsche "plagiarized" according to some scholars

[deicruxified]

... and william of baskerville of umberto eco's "the name of the rose".

[AllAboutSoul]

It is kinda hard to see Katie Couric and Rudy as introverts. Maybe it's just me. :)

[mind_wander]

Although this is not an INTJ category. But, it seems the inspirational 2pac Shakur is INFJ . I always wondering his words has emotional realistic views; which I can clearly see in my mind. Too bad he not around, but his music does lives on, til this day :)

[The Many]

if anyone's reading the wheel of time, i do think moiraine sedai is an intj.

max stirner is an intj i think... the one nietzsche "plagiarized" according to some scholars

I read up on Max Stirner simply due to you mentioning him, he appeared very INTP to me. An INTJ would have confronted his oppositions in a much more vocal way than he did.

[cielo market]

I love how you included cartoon characters :P

[orange]

I think that Mal (Malcolm Reynolds) from the show firefly is an INTJ. He is definatly and NTJ and that he refuses to open up to anyone and would rater live on a spaceship with a small group of people that have proven their worth and only associate with other people to get jobs and survive makes me think he's an I.

btw: if you haven't seen the show you should buy it on DVD and watch it (theres only 1 season). Its freeking amazing!

[Doppelbock]

... and william of baskerville of umberto eco's "the name of the rose".

Definitely. Good call.

DB (and GREAT book!)

[cielo market]

Has anyone seen "Once Upon a Time in Mexico?"
Agent Sands (Johnny Depp) has [some] INTJ qualities. It might be the sociopath thing, though.

[INTJoe]

Adolf Hitler may very well be one too - he is either INTJ or INFJ, which applies for Osama Bin Laden as well.

Hitler a feeler!? lol. Doubtful. I'm pretty sure he made his decisions based on "logic", and not on satisfying people, but I'm really not that studied on Hitler above what we learn in H.S. and College.

Bin Laden may be an "F", as he seems to be about helping the destitute. Hitler was just a megalomaniac, though.

I never gave much thought to Michael Corleone/Don Vito Corleone/ and il Consierge from the Godfather series as INTJ's, but now that I think about it, Michael definitely is. Consierge may have been ISTJ or INTJ.

It's funny, I don't really "notice" INTJ's in movies or real life, but when someone mentions a name of an INTJ I will think backwards and realize that they are.

And why is it that ALL famous INTJ's are like these sociopathic, magalomaniacal, villains!? lol. That...sort of scares me... :O

[Henry]

Hmmm...I never thought of including him on the list. Good choice. It's still possibly that he is an xNFJ, though. But he definitely has an xNxJ vibe. I'll definitely keep him on the waiting list.

Also, what do you think of Nostradamus? Perhaps also a candidate. He is almost certainly an Ni type.

Campbell's definently an I; he spent 5 years of his life in a cabin in the woods alone and describes it as one of the best times in his life. That would kill a true E. T v F, you're right, although I think its a mild preference for T as a lot of his writings tear organized religion apart, most notably a religion that its not PC to criticize.

Nostradamus, clearly INTx, although I don't know him well enough to really comment on J v P.

Hitler a feeler!? lol. Doubtful. I'm pretty sure he made his decisions based on "logic", and not on satisfying people, but I'm really not that studied on Hitler above what we learn in H.S. and College.

My thoughts exactly.

I think Hitler is intJ, and used the J to cut off any perspective that didn't fit with the existing perspective of the world. He was brillant (the one credible IQ estimation I've seen on him put him at 140-145, which is very, very high for a political leader), but when he started losing and should have tried new things, he just resorted to doing more of what originally worked, eg belligerent diplomacy, overproduction of very expensive weapon types in the hope that the enemy would have no answer, violence with top personel, etc.

Also, look at who Hitler promoted, especially when under stress: all Ts, mostly Ns Is and Js.

[mind_wander]

Hitler a feeler!? lol. Doubtful. I'm pretty sure he made his decisions based on "logic", and not on satisfying people, but I'm really not that studied on Hitler above what we learn in H.S. and College.

Bin Laden may be an "F", as he seems to be about helping the destitute. Hitler was just a megalomaniac, though.

I never gave much thought to Michael Corleone/Don Vito Corleone/ and il Consierge from the Godfather series as INTJ's, but now that I think about it, Michael definitely is. Consierge may have been ISTJ or INTJ.

It's funny, I don't really "notice" INTJ's in movies or real life, but when someone mentions a name of an INTJ I will think backwards and realize that they are.

And why is it that ALL famous INTJ's are like these sociopathic, magalomaniacal, villains!? lol. That...sort of scares me... :O

This is what hits me when reading this list of famous INTJ's:

* Angela Lansbury - actress (Murder, She Wrote)
* Arnold Schwarzenegger - actor, Governor of California
* Augustus Caesar - Roman Emperor
* C. S. Lewis - apologist, author (The Chronicles of Narnia) [heard of the guy, never watched the movie-now it makes me wants to watch it now]
* Calvin Coolidge - American President
* Chevy Chase - actor, comedian
* Dan Akroyd - actor, comedian, musician
* Donald Rumsfeld - former U.S. Secretary of Defense
* Dwight D. Eisenhower - American President
* General Colin Powell - former U.S. Secretary of State
* Greg Gumbel - TV sportscaster
* Hannibal Barca - Military Commander
* James K. Polk - American President
* Jane Austen - author (Pride and Prejudice)
* Katie Couric - journalist
* Lance Armstrong - cyclist (seven Tour De France wins)
* Peter Jennings - journalist
* Rudy Giuliani - former New York City mayor
* Sir Isaac Newton - Astronomer
* Susan B. Anthony - civil rights leader
* Thomas Jefferson - American President
* Woodrow Wilson - American President
* General Ulysses S. Grant – Union general, American President
* Friederich Nietzsche – philosopher
* Peter the Great – Russian tsar
* Stephen Hawking – astrophysicist
* John Maynard Keynes –
* John F. Nash Jr. – mathematician, game theorist
* Isaac Asimov – biochemist, science-fiction author (I Robot)
* Calvin – Calvin and Hobbes
* Clarice Starling - Silence of the Lambs
* Batman – Batman Begins
* Dr. Jonathan Crane - Batman Begins
* Dr. Otto Octavius (Doc Ock) - Spiderman 2
* Ellen Ripley - Alien
* Ensign Ro Laren - Star Trek: The Next Generation
* Ernst Stavro Blofeld - James Bond
* Gandalf - Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit
* Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs
* Jigsaw – Saw films
* Michael Corleone - Godfather
* Mr. Burns - The Simpsons
* Mr. Darcy - Pride and Prejudice
* O-Ren Ishii - Kill Bill Vol. 1
* Professor Moriarty - Sherlock Holmes antagonist
* Sherlock Holmes
* Reed Richards – the Fantastic Four
* Stewie Griffin - Family Guy
* Tom Hagen – Godfather
* Vito Corleone – Godfather
* Willy Wonka – Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

This entire list is either I've heard before or have seen the movies. It always make me wonder, why I am hooked on these films; their mostly INTJ's, go figures.

Replying to why INTJ's go insane, maybe the general public is not sure how INTJ's think and function.

[mind_wander]

In addition to: 2 pac Shakur:To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. who is an INFJ; very inspiring in his words, sure does touch me, internally.

[The Many]

Hitler a feeler!? lol. Doubtful. I'm pretty sure he made his decisions based on "logic", and not on satisfying people, but I'm really not that studied on Hitler above what we learn in H.S. and College.

Bin Laden may be an "F", as he seems to be about helping the destitute. Hitler was just a megalomaniac, though.

I never gave much thought to Michael Corleone/Don Vito Corleone/ and il Consierge from the Godfather series as INTJ's, but now that I think about it, Michael definitely is. Consierge may have been ISTJ or INTJ.

It's funny, I don't really "notice" INTJ's in movies or real life, but when someone mentions a name of an INTJ I will think backwards and realize that they are.

And why is it that ALL famous INTJ's are like these sociopathic, magalomaniacal, villains!? lol. That...sort of scares me... :O

INFJ:s and their emotions work in strange ways. For instance Ghandi once wrote that some black prisoners he spent time with when imprisoned in South Africa were little more than apes (or at least something like that). Remember that hate, anger and disgust are emotions too, just as love and appreciation are. In fact I know an INFJ myself who has stated things such as "I have worker blood in my veins" (literally - she identifies to the point of heredity), and "stupid people should not be allowed to have children". I think an F may very well have an easier time turning nationalist than a T, since the F decisions makes them relate to their emotions of kinship with their "race" or "nation" much more than the T does.

Not to mention that charisma of Hitler's, which is a very INFJ trait. On the other hand, there have been some charismatic INTJ leaders out there too, but INFJs are generally much more charismatic than INTJs. Admittedly though, Hitler may have been an INTJ having done flawed research as well - both are possibilities.

As to INTJs being scary villains... that's because we ARE scary villains. We are cold, detached and more than merely intelligent - and as I read somewhere, most fiction is really geared around maintaining a status quo, which is not an INTJ trait. Most Hollywood stories really evolve around an Evil Villain (INTJ) threatening the old order, so a nice guy (usually ESTJ or something like that) comes around to save it, then everyone is happy again.

[OneBadMother]

And you guys don't even have a P to balance it out. Though, come to think of it, most heroes are probably S, aren't they? Even the nerdy one. I guess that it's the mad, well-meaning scientist who gets to be INTP, like Doc from Back to the Future.

[mind_wander]

INFJ:s and their emotions work in strange ways. For instance Ghandi once wrote that some black prisoners he spent time with when imprisoned in South Africa were little more than apes (or at least something like that). Remember that hate, anger and disgust are emotions too, just as love and appreciation are. In fact I know an INFJ myself who has stated things such as "I have worker blood in my veins" (literally - she identifies to the point of heredity), and "stupid people should not be allowed to have children". I think an F may very well have an easier time turning nationalist than a T, since the F decisions makes them relate to their emotions of kinship with their "race" or "nation" much more than the T does.

Not to mention that charisma of Hitler's, which is a very INFJ trait. On the other hand, there have been some charismatic INTJ leaders out there too, but INFJs are generally much more charismatic than INTJs. Admittedly though, Hitler may have been an INTJ having done flawed research as well - both are possibilities.

As to INTJs being scary villains... that's because we ARE scary villains. We are cold, detached and more than merely intelligent - and as I read somewhere, most fiction is really geared around maintaining a status quo, which is not an INTJ trait. Most Hollywood stories really evolve around an Evil Villain (INTJ) threatening the old order, so a nice guy (usually ESTJ or something like that) comes around to save it, then everyone is happy again.

So your saying, "ESTJ is always the hero", kinda screwed up here. I thought, INTJ are good people, at heart. See this is what happens in the minds of Hollywood stories by twisting the good imagines of INTJ's.

[Paul V]

My take on this matter is different. I believe that the INTJ is often misunderstood (I have explained why in another thread, I can quote it if you want me to), and that is a big no-no for stories. As it has been stated above, the audience needs to be able to identify themselves with the hero, and this is extremely difficult due to the lack of INTJs in the audience itself, and the fact that a typical INTJ is the polar opposite of the common person.

[Promethean]

I'm convinced that Cormac McCarthy (writer, National Book Award winner, Pulitzer Prize winner) is an INTJ.

1. He's a loner who does not give interviews or read his stuff in public (introvert, independent)
2. He does not hang out with other writers. Instead he hangs out with scientists, who he claims are more interesting (definitely NT)
3. His prose is very mythical and imaginative (introverted intuition)
4. He dropped out of college to write full time (independent)

Of course, there's always the possibility he's an INTP, but based on his prose style, I would disagree. It's indicative of introverted intuition rather than introverted thinking.

Any thoughts?

PS, this is the guy who wrote All The Pretty Horses, No Country For Old Men, and The Road

[INTJoe]

Of course, there's always the possibility he's an INTP, but based on his prose style, I would disagree. It's indicative of introverted intuition rather than introverted thinking.

Any thoughts?


I don't really understand this "Introverted Intuition" as opposed to "Introverted Thinking". Please explain it to me. I know the INTPs are introverted thinkers but I don't understand what that means.

[Promethean]

I don't really understand this "Introverted Intuition" as opposed to "Introverted Thinking". Please explain it to me. I know the INTPs are introverted thinkers but I don't understand what that means.

I won't go into detail about the differences between the two since there are many resources online that explain it (just do a google search and you'll find plenty of explanations). Very briefly, introverted intuition causes the person (INTJ's and INFJ's have this as their dominant function) to see the underlying connections between things, ideas and concepts. Introverted thinking (INTP's and ISTP's) has the person analyze and categorize things to see if they fit under certain frameworks.

(Please take that with a grain of salt. They're very generalized explanations.)

In terms of writing, an introverted intuitive will write towards a vision of how something could and should be. Expect lots of metaphor and visual writing. Since Ayn Rand and William Faulkner have been "officially" types as INTJ's, all I did was simply notice similarities in McCarthy's style. I'm no expert; it's mainly a hunch (and by hunch I mean it's my introverted intuition at work :)

[BlackHawk]

Question:
Is Artemis Fowl (fictional character in a series by Eoin Colfer) an INTJ?
He's a genius, he has intuition, he is introverted, he's a mastermind, and everything else, yet i've heard no mention of him. I think he's the compilation of every trait on every INTJ description.

[INTJoe]

What about Tom Hanks' character in Castaway?

In the beginning, he was a manager for FedEx, and appeared very ENTJ perhaps. But after his long ordeal alone on an island, he came back to the States and appeared more like INTJ or INTP, perhaps.

Anyone see this movie, and how much he changed from being on that island? Thoughts?

[rocksteady]

I won't go into detail about the differences between the two since there are many resources online that explain it (just do a google search and you'll find plenty of explanations). Very briefly, introverted intuition causes the person (INTJ's and INFJ's have this as their dominant function) to see the underlying connections between things, ideas and concepts. Introverted thinking (INTP's and ISTP's) has the person analyze and categorize things to see if they fit under certain frameworks.

(Please take that with a grain of salt. They're very generalized explanations.)



I believe another key point is that intuition fully utilizes the sub-conscious, whereas the thinking function does not.

[AJ]

Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment by Doestoevesky.

[BlackHawk]

Since no one seems to disagree with my asessment of Artemis Fowl as an INTJ, I'll just say add him to the list!

[Xenolar]

Since no one seems to disagree with my asessment of Artemis Fowl as an INTJ, I'll just say add him to the list!

He seems to have this ENTJ vibe to him for whatever reason. INTJ is still highly probable.

[ShaiGar]

* Batman – Batman Begins

I disagree. Batman from Batman Begins was much more an INTP.
The Batman from the comics is INTJ.

Scarecrow from the comics is an INTP.

[Aestheticbend]

if anyone's reading the wheel of time, i do think moiraine sedai is an intj.

max stirner is an intj i think... the one nietzsche "plagiarized" according to some scholars


Stirner and Nietzsche share a lot but saying that Nietzsche plagiarized is contentious. Mostly because Nietzsche read Stirner's one book "The Ego and Its Own" in 1878/1879, this is recorded in his records. Nietzsche had already established much of his philosophy by that point in his career and there are quite a few differences between Nietzsche and Stirner. Stirner was a nihilist, and Nietzsche rejected nihilism and saw it as something to be overcame through the will to power. But yes, I honestly think that they were both INTJ's.

[Jedi_sena]

Cassius - Is that the character of which someone says "he sees quite through the deeds of men"? Because I have always identified with that statement. I easily size people up and make immovable decisions about them within moments of knowing them and am never convinced otherwise. My husband often complains that I make snap judgements about people and what really ribs him is that I am always right.

[INTJgal]

Jodie Foster.

[ChilaK]

Just finished watching "The Good Shepard" and I have to say the character "Edward Wilson" seems he could be an INTJ posterchild, were such a thing not an oxymoron.

[lebowski]

Jason Bourne in the Bourne Trilogy

[Charlie Mc.]

I think Robert Heinlein is definitely INTJ. What do you all think

[Antares]

I think that Snape is INTJ and so is Michael Scofield. Any inputs?

[Meyer]

I think possibly that Osteen minister guy might be also. He seems to be preaching basic psychological principals using God as his context. I've only seen him once. Does anyone else have more exposure to him, thus a better idea of his type.

[INTJoe]

I think possibly that Osteen minister guy might be also. He seems to be preaching basic psychological principals using God as his context. I've only seen him once. Does anyone else have more exposure to him, thus a better idea of his type.

No way in hell is that guy an INTJ. And if he is I'll renounce my INTJ-ness forever.

That dude is like numero uno on my "Worst People" list. ETo view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. me want to vomit.

[Lucid]

I disagree with the Jigsaw from the Saw movies being on the list of INTJs. If he were an INTJ he'd probably see the hypocracy of torturing and killing people to show that it's wrong to cheat on your wife. :irked:

God I hate those movies! And that's why. The basic premise is flawed. A guy who tortures and kills people (sometimes innocent people) doesn't get to preach about morality and appreciation of life. I'd say he's an ENTJ. At best.

Although I'll proudly accept Hannibal Lecter as INTJ. And O-Ren Ishii. All INTJs should have armies of Kung Fu guys at their command.





... where's the maniacal laughter smilie?

[Nomad]

Although I'll proudly accept Hannibal Lecter as INTJ. And O-Ren Ishii. All INTJs should have armies of Kung Fu guys at their command.

You don't have an army of Kung Fu guys? I could lend/lease you some of mine...

[Lucid]

You don't have an army of Kung Fu guys? I could lend/lease you some of mine...

I dunno, maybe I'll just start eating people who annoy me. Probably less of a hassle than kung fu guys.

[Hypomanic]

I disagree. Batman from Batman Begins was much more an INTP.
The Batman from the comics is INTJ.

Scarecrow from the comics is an INTP.

I'm going to reply to you about Light here. Light is an ENTJ, he uses Te over Ni. ENTJ's aren't very extroverted, and if they are it's for a purpose. Never purposeless.

Fictional INTJ:
Near (he uses Ni over Te).

[Astra]

No way was Jane Austen INTJ. Way too much subtle understanding of human nature for that. I reckon INFP, but one of the most sorted ones - not the flaky variety (i.e. 99% of them...)

[Danisty]

I'm not so sure about Vicious from Cowboy Bebop being an INTJ. He seems more like a broken INFJ to me.

[NoahAddle]

Come to think of it, I would bet a bunch of money that the head coach of the New England Patriots Bill Belichick is an INTJ. Among other things, he's famous for being an intensely private man who comes off prickly to reporters. However, he's been known to be generous and warm with those in his inner circle. He is not only great at developing a game plan for his players to follow on game days, but he is a master at salary cap management and talent evaluation in the off season. He thinks holistically and big picture about the team and how to make it better. Pretty much everyone else thinks he's an a**hole and hate him for showing up the mediocre management of the other teams. What do you guys think? Could he be an INTJ?

[Sylvanus]

I disagree with V being INTJ (tentatively). Unfortunately I haven't seen the whole thing yet (right after V fought his way out of the "Ministry of Truth's" building or whatever they call it my wife announces that she is tired and wants to go to bed). He seems very verbose, which doesn't necessarily mean he isn't INTJ, but it gives some clues. Of course it seems that V is really just a facade for the real person, so he could just be acting a different role. Hopefully I'll find out this weekend.

Oh yeah, and I've seen lists with Dennis Hopper on them too as an INTJ.

[8bit]

I think that Snape is INTJ and so is Michael Scofield. Any inputs?

Severus Snape is exactly who I think of when I try to explain INTJ using a commonly known fictional figure. Minerva McGonagall is also likely, she's definitely I*TJ at the very least.

[INTJoe]

Come to think of it, I would bet a bunch of money that the head coach of the New England Patriots Bill Belichick is an INTJ.

I would bet over $1,000 that Belichick is INTJ.

In fact, I was going to post about him on here, because he just screams INTJ, but I thought nobody would know who he was! lol

[RickJames]

Along those lines I was thinking Bill Parcels could be an INTJ. Control freak and very independent. "How can I do the cooking if I can't do the grocery shopping?"

[Sylvanus]

I disagree with V being INTJ (tentatively). Unfortunately I haven't seen the whole thing yet (right after V fought his way out of the "Ministry of Truth's" building or whatever they call it my wife announces that she is tired and wants to go to bed). He seems very verbose, which doesn't necessarily mean he isn't INTJ, but it gives some clues. Of course it seems that V is really just a facade for the real person, so he could just be acting a different role. Hopefully I'll find out this weekend.

Oh yeah, and I've seen lists with Dennis Hopper on them too as an INTJ.

Finished the movie, still not sure. He thinks like an INTJ, however he says everything he thinks (well not necessarily everything, he talks about twice as fast as most people think, so he says about 1/10 of what an INTJ thinks). ANd of course the things he says are precisely spoken to get people to thing what he wants them to.

[Lucid]

Hhe says everything he thinks (well not necessarily everything, he talks about twice as fast as most people think, so he says about 1/10 of what an INTJ thinks). ANd of course the things he says are precisely spoken to get people to thing what he wants them to.

I'm not sure that these things are inconsistent with INTJness. :thinking:

[Sylvanus]

I'm not sure that these things are inconsistent with INTJness. :thinking:

I'm just taking shots in the dark at this point.

[Lucid]

I'm just taking shots in the dark at this point.

I'm not trying to say that they definitely are. You may be correct.
I'm terrible at type reading so I was just curious as to why you thought that.

[Cyrus]

Hello haven't read all the posts, so excuse me if this has been mentioned.

Frank Herbert - Author of the legendary Dune series. I read his books and I'm like, "this fella's an INTJ for sure".
Orson Scott Card - Author of Ender's Game. Similar to Herbert.

I'm glad that Ayn Rand and BATMAN appeared here. I've been thumbing through some MBTI places and been going, "how about Batman u ninny? U can't possibly forget batman!" ;D

Charlie Munger for sure (he's a cynical one) and highly likely Warren Buffet as well. Highly competent, technical, I do what I do and I know I am the best at it, driven, specialised, independent thinkers who dont give a rip what the others are saying because they know they are correct. INTJish...

[Sylvanus]

I'm not trying to say that they definitely are. You may be correct.
I'm terrible at type reading so I was just curious as to why you thought that.

From 'Alcohol and the INTJ'

...Drinking reminds me of John Stewart on Half-Baked, the 'enhancement smoker'. Like quentin (or John) I think it makes everything feel better/different. Computer games are more fun, movies are funnier or have more meaning, sex is better, simple acts like walking to the bathroom become an experience...

I only saw it once, I was buzzed, I enjoyed it, but I doubt I'm qualified to make an accurate assessment. I also haven't been studying MBTI all that long either (a couple months), so I'm not that great at type reading yet either. Just taking shots in the dark...

[Lucid]

From 'Alcohol and the INTJ'

I'm sorry... what is from 'Alcohol and the INTJ'?

[systemsguy]

What was Napoleon's type? Sound like Intuitive and Thinker to me. Not sure about the other characteristics.

[quentin]

How about Yukio Mishima (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), one of the leading Japanese novelists of the 20th century?

He looks stereotypically INTJ:

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He's most infamous not for his writing but for the dramatic nature of his death:

On November 25, 1970, Mishima and four members of the Tatenokai, under pretext, visited the commandant of the Ichigaya Camp - the Tokyo headquarters of the Eastern Command of Japan's Self-Defense Forces. Inside, they barricaded the office and tied the commandant to his chair. With a prepared manifesto and banner listing their demands, Mishima stepped onto the balcony to address the soldiers gathered below. His speech was intended to inspire a coup d'etat restoring the powers of the emperor. He succeeded only in irritating them, however, and was mocked and jeered. He finished his planned speech after a few minutes, returned in to the commandant's office and committed seppuku. The customary kaishakunin duty at the end of this ritual had been assigned to Tatenokai member Masakatsu Morita, but Morita was unable to properly perform the task: after several attempts, he allowed another Tatenokai member, Hiroyasu Koga, to behead him.

Another traditional element of the suicide ritual was the composition of jisei (death poems), before their entry into the headquarters.[4] Mishima prepared his suicide meticulously for at least a year and no one outside the group of hand-picked Tatenokai members had any indication of what he was planning. His biographer, translator, and former friend John Nathan suggests that the coup attempt was only a pretext for the ritual suicide of which Mishima had long dreamed.[citation needed] Mishima made sure his affairs were in order, even leaving money for the defense trial of the three surviving Tatenokai members.

[Sylvanus]

I'm sorry... what is from 'Alcohol and the INTJ'?

The quote from me underneath it.

[Lucid]

The quote from me underneath it.

Oh I see. That just seemed like a total non sequitur at the time. Now I understand. :)

[Sylvanus]

Oh I see. That just seemed like a total non sequitur at the time. Now I understand. :)

I should've linked it and quoted it, I'm used to a different style of forum and I'm not quite used to the style on how to do it here.

[INTJoe]

What about American Idol's curmudgeonic mastermind, Simon Cowell?

I'm thinking he's ENTJ, but perhaps he is INTJ. I don't know anything about his personal life, and I know a lot of "I's" can appear "E" when on TV. (David Letterman is a noted recluse, and Janet Jackson...etc.)

But Cowell's quick tongue on the show leads me to believe he's ENTJ.

He's utterly rational, so he must be NT, right? He's definitely T, but I'm pretty sure he's NT rather than ST. And he's most definitely J, as he's always out to put his theories to work and accomplish stuff.

He's not an SJ guardian, and I just don't think he's SP artisan. He's got to be NT.

NTJ. E, or I is the question. I say E.

He's ENTJ.

[Xenolar]

What was Napoleon's type? Sound like Intuitive and Thinker to me. Not sure about the other characteristics.

Most sources type him as ENTJ. I think that is relatively accurate. ENTP and INTJ could make good second choices, though.

[BadMojo]

J.R.R Tolkien an INTJ? Or perhaps more likely an INTP? Or even an INFP?

[systemsguy]

Most sources type him as ENTJ. I think that is relatively accurate. ENTP and INTJ could make good second choices, though.

Thanks for the response. You might be correct. I read a biography on him several years ago, and he seemed pretty close to our type.

[Smacknrat]

Thanks for the response. You might be correct. I read a biography on him several years ago, and he seemed pretty close to our type.
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Goethe... INTJ..

Napoleon on Goethe:

He was trying to work upon himself just like he might work upon a poem or a drama or a novel or a scientific treatise, making himself better and clearer and more perfect and more balanced. This is what Goethe was trying to do through the whole of his long life, more than eighty years, and he succeeded. So that when the great Napoleon saw Goethe for the first time, what did he say quite spontaneously, when he was confronted by Goethe? And Goethe after all, politically, was nobody, he was just an ex-minister of a little tiny state in Germany; and there was Napoleon, the conqueror of Europe. But when Napoleon saw Goethe, well, Goethe wasn't impressed by Napoleon particularly, but Napoleon exclaimed of Goethe: 'Look, there's a man'. A very simple exclamation but full of meaning. 'Look, there's a man'. And this is what Goethe made of himself from this sort of bundle of passions and ideas.

[xanodel]

I'd nominate Dumbledore as INTJ-planner, strategist, scary, and also bad at reading people's feelings at times (not telling Harry ahead of time, ignoring him during fifth book, even though he kind of knew he shouldn't have).

I don't think Yukio Mishima is an INTJ, because a lot of his works emphasize a sort of cultural nationalism that emphasizes the traditional (or the made up traditional) and he was all for the good old days. He was motivated primarily by feelings, values and notions of a glorious past tradition (debatable), so I'm more inclined to peg him as S or F. At the very least, the motivation that drove him to write his books, are not what I'd consider very INTJ.

I'm inclined to think Hitler's an F, especially in the sense of Mein Kampf. His system is based on feelings or values of what is superior over what, not necessarily in a logical sense, the logic is used to justify the values and not the other way around (which I think is more common in the INTJ cases-the logic first and then perhaps the values to justify the system). If he were INTJ, I don't think his Fi would allow him to really push his values on others.

[iamnotspock]

What about BILL GATES?

Definitely I. Definitely T. Definitely J. But N or S?

[INTJoe]

What about BILL GATES?

Definitely I. Definitely T. Definitely J. But N or S?

Is Gates definitely I? I've heard he's rather garralous in person. He looks shy in pics, but that's because he's not talking. ;)

It's hard to peg someone as N/S if you haven't seen them in person. I'd really need to hear how they talk. But surely Gates must be T. And perhaps J, as well.

I could see him being any of these:

INTJ
INTP
ENTP (the 'inventor')
and maybe
ENTJ?
ISTP?

[logos]

I disagree with V being INTJ (tentatively). Unfortunately I haven't seen the whole thing yet (right after V fought his way out of the "Ministry of Truth's" building or whatever they call it my wife announces that she is tired and wants to go to bed). He seems very verbose, which doesn't necessarily mean he isn't INTJ, but it gives some clues. Of course it seems that V is really just a facade for the real person, so he could just be acting a different role. Hopefully I'll find out this weekend.

Finished the movie, still not sure. He thinks like an INTJ, however he says everything he thinks (well not necessarily everything, he talks about twice as fast as most people think, so he says about 1/10 of what an INTJ thinks). ANd of course the things he says are precisely spoken to get people to thing what he wants them to.


I think his verbosity comes from his need to be understood. His expression is very calculated, elaborating with precision his feelings to his love interest almost as easily as his pre-recorded speech with his well thought-out and idealistic arguments on them for the public. This screams to me that he is utilizing his Te to express his Ni and Fi, leaving his Se to play with knives. :p The only question is how strong each of these preferences are so that we can sequence them. That he valued his ideal more than his life to me is indicative of N > S, and that he stuck to his plan for vengeance hoping his love would come along rather than sticking with his love and hoping she would go along with his plan of vengeance I find indicative of T > F. There can be no question by his actions that he is a J and his reclusion, while it may have been forced, I thought indicative of an introvert. Sure, he seemed to talk a lot, but he didn't speak to understand things; He spoke to explain them, as a teacher would. If V isn't 100% an INTJ, then I don't think I can be sure that I am either.

[INTJoe]

Fictional: What about Sam Rothstein (Robert DeNiro's character in Casino)?

I could see him being INTJ easily. He just reminds me so much of myself. When that idiot "allows" a machine to hit like 3 jackpots in a half-hour he fires him, declaring "That should never happen! The machine is obviously rigged! Which means either you're in on it, or you're too stupid to notice people rigging the machine, either way YOU'RE OUT! Now get out!"

I'd say for sure he's TJ. And he must be N, because he seems to see the forest for the trees. He could be E, though. But I just don't think so. Sure, he hosted a TV show from the casino, but that wouldn't mean he was E. Throughout the movie, he was much more quiet, reserved, and well-thought-out before speaking.

[iamnotspock]

Is Gates definitely I? I've heard he's rather garralous in person. He looks shy in pics, but that's because he's not talking. ;)

It's hard to peg someone as N/S if you haven't seen them in person. I'd really need to hear how they talk. But surely Gates must be T. And perhaps J, as well.

I could see him being any of these:

INTJ
INTP
ENTP (the 'inventor')
and maybe
ENTJ?
ISTP?

Yeah, garralous is putting it nicely. He is apparently super aggressive. But also a loner. Very shy. I think that is INTJ-like. Shy and aggressive can go together. I thought J b/c he is all about results. Turning technology into cash. P's I think of as more like professors, more likely to play, less concerned about payoff's.

[Sylvanus]

I think his verbosity comes from his need to be understood. His expression is very calculated, elaborating with precision his feelings to his love interest almost as easily as his pre-recorded speech with his well thought-out and idealistic arguments on them for the public. This screams to me that he is utilizing his Te to express his Ni and Fi, leaving his Se to play with knives. :p The only question is how strong each of these preferences are so that we can sequence them. That he valued his ideal more than his life to me is indicative of N > S, and that he stuck to his plan for vengeance hoping his love would come along rather than sticking with his love and hoping she would go along with his plan of vengeance I find indicative of T > F. There can be no question by his actions that he is a J and his reclusion, while it may have been forced, I thought indicative of an introvert. Sure, he seemed to talk a lot, but he didn't speak to understand things; He spoke to explain them, as a teacher would. If V isn't 100% an INTJ, then I don't think I can be sure that I am either.

Thank you for breaking it down for me. While you mentioned that his reclusion might be forced, I noticed all the books that he has, which also says Introvert to me. If he was truly an extravert I think that we would have seen him elsewhere in the movie with massive amounts of makeup to cover his burns because of his need to be around others and fit in. It seems that I am used to E's talking a lot, and I's being quiet which is why I initially was questioning V's I'ness. But I should know better, my wife is borderline I/E and she talks up a storm, but definitely has a lot of I traits too.

[HarleyQuinn]

I'll third the nomination of New England Patriots head coach, Bill Belichick. He's notoriously disliked by the media for not being very quotable and being arrogant/aloof. He is also strongly private about his personal life when it comes to non-book related media.

He's extremely organized, thorough, and detailed about not only the future of the team but the present day as well and he's especially insightful when he breaks down film on television. Speaking wise, he's very matter of fact and straight to the point with a dry, sarcastic humor that could easily fly over the heads of most people.

I'd definitely recommend The Education of a Coach by David Halberstam if anybody's curious about reading up more on this guy.

[INTJoe]

Yeah, garralous is putting it nicely. He is apparently super aggressive. But also a loner. Very shy. I think that is INTJ-like. Shy and aggressive can go together. I thought J b/c he is all about results. Turning technology into cash. P's I think of as more like professors, more likely to play, less concerned about payoff's.

Ehhh, I think you are selling xNTP's way too short here. We might think of him as J, because he was the head of a huge corporation, but that doesn't mean he isn't P.

I think he may have sort of been "thrown into the fire" by what he'd created, and he jumped on for the ride. The whole Microsoft phenomenon may not have been a part of some master-plan, but a pleasant surprise that he gladly accepted as a challenge.

Also, didn't he rely heavily on other very capable people to help him out (ie Paul Allen, etc.).

Either way...whatever type he is ain't gonna help anyone else out that much. lol. He's one in many, many millions, if not billion.

[Des]

I'm so glad this list include fictional characters. I relate more to fictional characters.

About the Hitler thing. I'm asking because I don't know but I would have taken him to be an extrovert with all those parades and speaches and parties and car rides he did. Is there a site that lists him as any of the types for sure?

More improtantly would the Grinch be one of us?

[uberosity]

Another comment about Hitler: Can you really type a sociopath? This is a serious question. I have a hunch that the lines can get really blurred here.

Also, I think Miranda from Sex and the City is an INTJ

[Paul V]

Another comment about Hitler: Can you really type a sociopath? This is a serious question. I have a hunch that the lines can get really blurred here.

Also, I think Miranda from Sex and the City is an INTJ

Highly unlikely. Sociopaths like social contact, because it gives them a chance to manipulate others for their own means and fake emotions they don't feel. Those two things already indicates that sociopaths are (or act like) EXFX. An INTJ wouldn't be a sociopath mainly because they're introverts. They don't like hanging out with people, not even to manipulate them for their own means.

Anti-socials? Highly possible.

[caveman]

who saw the "American Gangster" (2007).. a verry nice movie, and i think that the main caracter, Frank Lucas (Denzel Washington) is a verry tipical INTJ, what do you think?

[Jgib5328]

I'll third the nomination of New England Patriots head coach, Bill Belichick. He's notoriously disliked by the media for not being very quotable and being arrogant/aloof. He is also strongly private about his personal life when it comes to non-book related media.

He's extremely organized, thorough, and detailed about not only the future of the team but the present day as well and he's especially insightful when he breaks down film on television. Speaking wise, he's very matter of fact and straight to the point with a dry, sarcastic humor that could easily fly over the heads of most people.

I'd definitely recommend The Education of a Coach by David Halberstam if anybody's curious about reading up more on this guy.


As a huge Pats fan I am glad someone else finally noticed this. Belichick is a huge INTJ if you just look at his personality and how he goes about his life it makes sense. He obviously is incredible at planning, you can tell he isn't a fan of many people and likes to be by himself, obviously he is a thinker rather than a feeler.

[The Many]

Another fictional one here... William of Baskerville from The Name of the Rose strikes me as extremely INTJ. Self-confident to the extreme, sticks to his own thinking, remains logical and believes in his own logic when others turn emotional or believe in the bible.

[Lucid]

I watched Live Free or Die Hard the other night and it seemed like the main bad guy in that movie was an INTJ as portrayed by someone who didn't actually know any INTJs. :)

[AJ]

Could Otto Von Bismarck be considered INTJ? Not sure of his personal life, but from the history excerpts on him he seems INTJ.

[Lucid]

Also, I think Miranda from Sex and the City is an INTJ

I think I agree. Has anyone mentioned Stewie from Family Guy? I don't remember if he was on one of the lists, but in a humorous way, I think he may be INTJ as well :)

[ssfanatic]

I just feel dirty being related to Jigsaw.

[errrzarrr]

What about Satan?
If he would be real or fictional or whatever, where he would fit at?

I bet he is INTJ (mastermind, yeah he is like a mastermind) or ENTJ (fieldmarshal's group).

He was smart, questioned authority (like us)
tried to be better and unconformist/perfeccionist (we are there),

I think he is cynic and makiavelic.

On D&D he would be Lawfull Evil (I havent play the game but I took the test and have an idea how that goes). Lawfull Evil are like Tyrinic/Dictators persons, like an authority or boss (fieldmarshall?) of the evil for that you need to bee xNTx or INTx. Characteristics continues but im tired :P

So... what about that?

[ssfanatic]

What about Satan?
If he would be real or fictional or whatever, where he would fit at?

I bet he is INTJ (mastermind, yeah he is like a mastermind) or ENTJ (fieldmarshal's group).

He was smart, questioned authority (like us)
tried to be better and unconformist/perfeccionist (we are there),

I think he is cynic and makiavelic.

On D&D he would be Lawfull Evil (I havent play the game but I took the test and have an idea how that goes). Lawfull Evil are like Tyrinic/Dictators persons, like an authority or boss (fieldmarshall?) of the evil for that you need to bee xNTx or INTx. Characteristics continues but im tired :P

So... what about that?
Definitley Machiavelic. Completely. And it matters who you ask whether hes real or not. Generally Satan just embodies temptation and evil, so i would consider him real.

[Paul V]

I just feel dirty being related to Jigsaw.

I agree...

What about Satan?
If he would be real or fictional or whatever, where he would fit at?

I bet he is INTJ (mastermind, yeah he is like a mastermind) or ENTJ (fieldmarshal's group).

He was smart, questioned authority (like us)
tried to be better and unconformist/perfeccionist (we are there),

I think he is cynic and makiavelic.

On D&D he would be Lawfull Evil (I havent play the game but I took the test and have an idea how that goes). Lawfull Evil are like Tyrinic/Dictators persons, like an authority or boss (fieldmarshall?) of the evil for that you need to bee xNTx or INTx. Characteristics continues but im tired :P

So... what about that?

I disagree...

Definitley Machiavelic. Completely. And it matters who you ask whether hes real or not. Generally Satan just embodies temptation and evil, so i would consider him real.

I agree...

[ssfanatic]

I agree...



I disagree...



I agree...
Thats the first time i have had someone agree with me all night. Man it feels good.

[Paul V]

Thats the first time i have had someone agree with me all night. Man it feels good.

I agree...

[ssfanatic]

What about Satan?
If he would be real or fictional or whatever, where he would fit at?

I bet he is INTJ (mastermind, yeah he is like a mastermind) or ENTJ (fieldmarshal's group).

He was smart, questioned authority (like us)
tried to be better and unconformist/perfeccionist (we are there),

I think he is cynic and makiavelic.

On D&D he would be Lawfull Evil (I havent play the game but I took the test and have an idea how that goes). Lawfull Evil are like Tyrinic/Dictators persons, like an authority or boss (fieldmarshall?) of the evil for that you need to bee xNTx or INTx. Characteristics continues but im tired :P

So... what about that?
Cynics were still moral people, they just didnt follow the traditional motives such as honor. Satan wouldnt even be remotely close to being labeled moral in my book.

[errrzarrr]

Definitley Machiavelic. Completely. And it matters who you ask whether hes real or not. Generally Satan just embodies temptation and evil, so i would consider him real.

Cynics were still moral people, they just didnt follow the traditional motives such as honor. Satan wouldnt even be remotely close to being labeled moral in my book.
hm... maybe i didnt say it. But I am not questioning if he is moral or not(i bet he is not, but that's not the matter here). I'm not saying he is real/fairy-tale. Im thinking about the MBTI.

I think he is INTJ, ENTP or something like that. What you think?

PD: I agree with you he is definitley machiavelic, unmoral and cynic. what you think about the MBTI

[ssfanatic]

hm... maybe i didnt say it. But I am not questioning if he is moral or not(i bet he is not, but that's not the matter here). I'm not even saying he is real/fairy-tale. This thread is about "celebrities" 's MBTI, so thats what I am trying to know.

I think he is INTJ, ENTP or something like that. What you think?
Hard to say, but the leadership role of an ENTP fits better, though he is a mastermind. Why should Satan have to abide by natural law though?

[quentin]

That depends on what religious interpretation of Satan's role you believe in. According to some traditions (the Jewish tradition, I think?), Lucifer is a moral agent of Jehovah. That is, he's not evil per se, it's just that God assigned Satan the job of being mankind's tempter. Beezelbub is just a guy doing his job.

The Chinese believe something similar about the gods of hell. There are five main bureacrats who run the operation and oversee the demons to make sure that they're doing a competent job of torturing the damned. People actually make offerings of worship to the bureaucrats of the underworld. I live across the street from one of the Hell temples devoted to their worship.

[Santana28]

Batman... INTJ? :)

[Paul V]

Batman... INTJ? :)

ISFJ to me. Maybe even ISTJ. He seems cold and calculating, but we all know he's just a scared little boy who witnessed the death of his parents.

[errrzarrr]

That depends on what religious interpretation of Satan's role you believe in. According to some traditions (the Jewish tradition, I think?), Lucifer is a moral agent of Jehovah. That is, he's not evil per se, it's just that God assigned Satan the job of being mankind's tempter. Beezelbub is just a guy doing his job.

The Chinese believe something similar about the gods of hell. There are five main bureacrats who run the operation and oversee the demons to make sure that they're doing a competent job of torturing the damned. People actually make offerings of worship to the bureaucrats of the underworld. I live across the street from one of the Hell temples devoted to their worship.

yes, it is kinda complex. Let's say the Christian's Satan. The one who was the best on the heaven, right hand of God, questioned the authority and that stuff.

Anyway, if it is from the Jewish/Chinnese vision, where he have a mission like a Marshall, I think keeps INTJ/ENTJ or near of that...



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Hard to say, but the leadership role of an ENTP fits better, though he is a mastermind. Why should Satan have to abide by natural law though?

Let's say the Laws of evilness maybe or his own laws or simply the organization/discipline needed to take ahead any mission. He is like a fieldmarshall/authority and for that you cant afford Chaos/Undicipline. That's why I say he's Lawful Evil.


From Wikipedia (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts._Evil):

Lawful Evil

Lawful Evil is referred to as the "Dominator" or "Diabolic" alignment. Characters of this alignment show a combination of desirable and undesirable traits: while they typically obey their superiors and keep their word, they care nothing for the rights and freedoms of other individuals (egoistic?). Examples of this alignment include tyrants, devils, organized criminals, those with samurai-like aspects, and soldiers who follow the chain of command but enjoy killing for its own sake.

The game rules devote the most detail to this alignment, since it frequently creates interesting mastermind villains:

He is loath to break laws or promises. This reluctance comes partly from his nature and partly because he depends on order to protect himself from those who oppose him on moral grounds. Some lawful evil villains have particular taboos, such as not killing in cold blood (but having underlings do it) or not letting children come to harm (if it can be helped). They imagine that these compunctions put them above unprincipled villains.[citation needed]

Artemis Entreri is a prime example of Lawful Evil, as are Boba Fett from Star Wars./> The Lawful Evil outsiders are known as Baatezu.

[ssfanatic]

That depends on what religious interpretation of Satan's role you believe in. According to some traditions (the Jewish tradition, I think?), Lucifer is a moral agent of Jehovah. That is, he's not evil per se, it's just that God assigned Satan the job of being mankind's tempter. Beezelbub is just a guy doing his job.

The Chinese believe something similar about the gods of hell. There are five main bureacrats who run the operation and oversee the demons to make sure that they're doing a competent job of torturing the damned. People actually make offerings of worship to the bureaucrats of the underworld. I live across the street from one of the Hell temples devoted to their worship.
Does that not seam fooish to believe that the perfect God would "asign" someone to do evil? I am taking the outside looking in aproach here, but how could anyone logically come to that conclusion?





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yes, it is kinda complex. Let's say the Christian's Satan. The one who was the best on the heaven, right hand of God, questioned the authority and that stuff.

Anyway, if it is from the Jewish/Chinnese vision, where he have a mission like a Marshall, I think keeps INTJ/ENTJ or near of that...



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Let's say the Laws of evilness maybe or his own laws or simply the organization/discipline needed to take ahead any mission. He is like a fieldmarshall/authority and for that you cant afford Chaos/Undicipline. That's why I say he's Lawful Evil.


From Wikipedia (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts._Evil):
Good point, but if we are going to argue over Satan, why not give a personality to his demons. Would they all be the same, mindless followers, rebels, Intjs... what?
And through that, i conclude that, unfortunatly Satan does come across as an INTJ.

[Shadow]

I'd say that Gendo Ikari, from Neon Genesis Evangelion, is INTJ.

Gendo is a brilliant scientist and politician (the master of puppets in the series) who works diligently for his organization; however, he is an extremely cold and distant father towards his son, and has no qualms about using and discarding people to achieve his goals:

"Gendo is the type of person who can see & think about the welfare of an organization as a whole. In other words, he'd do anything to succeed. He takes drastic and extreme measures, by fair means or foul, or by hook or by crook, in order to accomplish his own purpose. In some ways he's mean, he hardly cares about Shinji."
- wikipedia

[thephoenix1414]

hey this may have been posted earlier but what is the justification for Clarice Starling being an intj? Hannibal obviously but when I read Silence of the Lambs I didn't really pay attention to her type. I'm currently reading Hannibal to see If I can justify this.

[Xenolar]

hey this may have been posted earlier but what is the justification for Clarice Starling being an intj? Hannibal obviously but when I read Silence of the Lambs I didn't really pay attention to her type. I'm currently reading Hannibal to see If I can justify this.

Yes. This has been stated in the very first post of the thread.

[thephoenix1414]

well... you can tell my P is not very developed, I just justified my own J... thanks i hadn't read the beginning of this post for a couple of days.

[gallihand]

Is Warren Buffet INTJ?

It's been a few years since I read his biography but from what I remember he:
I - Is private
N - His investments are all long term oriented
T or F - not sure but he seems more T
J - I highly doubt he's disorganized

[Capt57]

Arnold Schwarzenegger? He seems very ENTJ.

[errrzarrr]

Billy Gates is ENTJ too.

[Capt57]

What about Jack Nicholson's character in As Good As it Gets, or the actor himself for that matter.

[Xenolar]

Arnold Schwarzenegger? He seems very ENTJ.

Indeed. I don't agree with INTJ as his type.
ESTJ sounds much more likely, actually.

[Capt57]

Indeed. I don't agree with INTJ as his type.
ESTJ sounds much more likely, actually.

Yes, defiantly TJ and E from the biography I read. And judging from his acting your right S not N :idea:

[jjelovich]

Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment by Doestoevesky.

Agreed! Ivan Fyodorovich Karamazov from Dostoevsky' Brothers Karamazov is also likely an INTJ. Also what do people think of Maj. Richard Winters of 101st Airborn Easy Company, from Band of Brothers, as an INTJ?

[INTJoe]

What type is Steven Colbert? I find him really annoying and needy of a punch in the face.

If I had to guess I'd say he's an NT rational, and an extrovert, although there are plenty of introverts who appear extroverted on TV.

But P, or J? I'd guess he's a P. ENTP? He reminds me a lot of my really annoying supervisor, who I've typed as ENTP.

[lunardreams]

Ian Malcolm? You know, the mathematician from Jurassic Park?
I had a long list of arguments to support this, but I can't find the list...

[ssfanatic]

Ian Malcolm? You know, the mathematician from Jurassic Park?
I had a long list of arguments to support this, but I can't find the list...
id say defianately, i just got doen reading the book and it was very prevalent. He was very rational, refusing to believe that these giant, man-made, mysterious creatures could be controlled.

[Lucid]

I kind of think Henry Rollins may be an INTJ as well. I'm not entirely sure, but based on some of his spoken word, that'd be my guess.

[errrzarrr]

What about Orochimaru in Naruto :P

maybe if Mr. Burns is a INTJ, orochimari is INTJ too :P

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[lowbrass]

What about Dr. House? Someone added his character to the wiki page here:
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I found it interesting because I can see some of this and I can definitely relate to some of it (though I can't quite GET AWAY with it as easily at my job). Perhaps, some aspects of House's character might dabble with other types, but I don't think I'm as well versed in picking apart the subtypes, so I'll leave that to you all to discuss.

[INTJoe]

What about Jack Nicholson's character in As Good As it Gets, or the actor himself for that matter.

Ohhh, in As Good as it Gets, he's gotta be IxTJ. Either INTJ or ISTJ. In either case, he's an unhealthy version of either. He has the insightfulness of the N, but the penchant for repetition of the S. He's always doing things a certain way...OCD. But this could be an INTJ trait just as easily. It's hard to tell.

Jack the person is definitely E. Probably ESTP.

[atomicpepper]

How about Bill O' Riley? He's either an ENTJ or an INTJ.

[Pinky]

I think that Snape is INTJ and so is Michael Scofield. Any inputs?

I think Snape is an ISTJ actually, he just have too much of an obsession with rules to quite fit the INTJ mold.





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What about Jack Nicholson's character in As Good As it Gets, or the actor himself for that matter.

Yeah he's a good candidate - I love where he explains how he reads women so well: "I think of a man... and take away reason and accountability".

I'm female and I still think he's spot on!

What about Gregory House from the TV series "House"

[Bossy Mom]

I have searched, but found no typing of the main character, Patrick Bateman, of "American Psycho." He seems to be a total INTJ.

[INTJoe]

I wish people would read the f***ing thread, and stop posting about House. He's only been mentioned 982 times. Don't you guys get it!? House is TOO COOL FOR US. HE'S NOT INTJ. Get over it. The guy is a toolbag anyway, I don't want to be associated with him and his toolbag self.

[lowbrass]

I wish people would read the f***ing thread, and stop posting about House. He's only been mentioned 982 times. Don't you guys get it!? House is TOO COOL FOR US. HE'S NOT INTJ. Get over it. The guy is a toolbag anyway, I don't want to be associated with him and his toolbag self.

Maybe get over yourself?

Actually, some of us DID, and then, just to confirm, we SEARCHED this thread. Furthermore, your emotional outburst and the character's perceived "coolness" constitutes a poor disqualification. By that measurement we might as well strike half the people from the famous INTJ list.

That said, let's have a reasonable dialog, with thoughtful reasons for and against. Obviously, SOME people out there think that this is warranted, and some INTJ links out there patronize this. The fact that the House character is a sort of homage to Sherlock Holmes ought to warrant some investigation.

[INTJoe]

Apologies, I must have been thinking about the other "fictional" INTJ thread. I just re-read this whole thread and didn't see the fictional House's name once. My bad.

[lowbrass]

Apologies, I must have been thinking about the other "fictional" INTJ thread. I just re-read this whole thread and didn't see the fictional House's name once. My bad.

Allright, fair enough. I know that'd be tough for any of us to do, so :thumbsup: for distinguishing yourself in positive fashion.

[Merle]

Anyone watch Battlestar Galactica?... I think Baltar is a IN something... maybe INFP....INTJ not sure...
I think Admiral Cain is ENTJ...although, actually I think she may be INTJ...but becomes E under stress...

[Bear Warp]

Paul Atreides from Frank Herbert's Dune series seems like an INTJ.

Heck, Wikipedia even lists him on their notable INTJ list.

[MintNut]

No way was Jane Austen INTJ. Way too much subtle understanding of human nature for that. I reckon INFP, but one of the most sorted ones - not the flaky variety (i.e. 99% of them...)

I gotta disagree .. I think Jane Austen is a great example of an INTJ. Her wonderful understanding of love and human nature is most likely due to the fact that she observed from a very distant perspective (keep in mind her biography and life as a singleton). Often, the best writers and listeners are not those with a greater capacity for feeling/F, but people who can impartially observe and provide insight.

[Provoker]

Someone mentioned Raskolnikov from Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment - I second that!

Also someone mentioned Jason Bourne, I agree but I'd also like to add Good Will Hunting. In fact, I think Matt Damon in general is a natural INTJ.

In adddition, I'd add Bobby Fischer and Orson Welles.

[Caramel]

Sebastian Caine, the main character in the movie Hollow Man.

He's definately xNTJ. The other characters describe him as being able to 'think out side the box', he doesn't want to give 'his' project away to 'less capable' people, he's intelligent and he knows it, he's damn arrogant, he loses his girlfriend to a 'lesser mind' because he doesn't give her enough attention and is always working.

[Pinkie]

I think Snape is an ISTJ actually, he just have too much of an obsession with rules to quite fit the INTJ mold.

I think he has an obsession with students following rules, which seems fair - he appears to value self-discipline and probably thinks it's good for them to learn to do things they don't want to do. However, in the books I don't think there's exactly a lot of evidence that he's particularly arsed about following them. Like the bit where he writes all of those spells as a young man. I'm fairly sure that's not following the rules.

Also - House is such an INTJ. I was watching it the other night and thought, 'Yeah. INTJ.'

[Sylvanus]

Paul Atreides from Frank Herbert's Dune series seems like an INTJ.

Heck, Wikipedia even lists him on their notable INTJ list.

I've been wondering about this one myself. First of all, before they were attacked by the Harkonnens, he talked about beginning the training to become a Mentat. The phrase "A Mentat needs data" keeps popping up in the books. The big thing for Mentats is that they intake a lot of data, and they are very good at taking that data and coming to fairly accurate conclusions based on it. INTJ's suck at sensing, ISTJ' suck at intuiting, and the only inbetween ones that come to mind are INTP and ENTP.

My conclusion is that he Mentat's are (or tend to be) INTJ's because the intuition is the most important function they serve, they also are highly trained in sensing, because this is alos important. Paul, to me seems like an INTX, so throwing the Mentat function onto him would make him an INTJ. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Santana28]

I gotta disagree .. I think Jane Austen is a great example of an INTJ. Her wonderful understanding of love and human nature is most likely due to the fact that she observed from a very distant perspective (keep in mind her biography and life as a singleton). Often, the best writers and listeners are not those with a greater capacity for feeling/F, but people who can impartially observe and provide insight.

i haven't read jane austen but i have to concur with what you said - some INTJs make mathematics or science or engineering their specialty and work to perfect it... so by that same logic why can't an INTJ do the same with the subject of human behavior and love? That's very Ayn Rand, and its also very much my primary source of interest. I'm no good at math anyways ;)

[Tokey41]

What about...

Tyler Durden from fight club?

Magneto from x-men?

Marvin from hitch hikers guide to the galaxy?

[INTJoe]

What about...

Tyler Durden from fight club?



ENTP?

What about Doctor Drew Pinsky from VH1's Celebrity Rehab (and formerly from MTV's Loveline back in the 90's)?

I peg Drew as a modest or subdued ENTJ. While I think many ENTJ's can be obnoxious and cocky and in-your-face he seems to have developed an air about him that is very calming. He's also a T, but he'd developed the capability of not alienating people with his strong opinions (which are usually backed by science). He somehow is able to be blunt with people, and yet keep the conversation friendly. He really is one-of-a-kind. He's obviously a very healthy individual, no matter what personality type he may be.

[quentin]

Marvin from Hitchhiker's Guide is definitely not an INTJ. He's too one-dimensional to be any personality type, for starters. Also, he lets one emotion - despair - completely overwhelm him all the time. He's not exactly all that logical of a robot, since he can only see the negative side of the universe, and doesn't do or think of anything to come up with any sort of solutions. A true INTJ would try to think things out about how to improve the situation, instead of just wallowing in hopelessness and futility all the time.

[aok]

Well, I have the same birthday as Isaac Asimov (which doesn't necessarily mean anything) and agree w/ many of his viewpoints. But, I think I like to associate myself more w/ the list for 5w4 of the enneagram- which probably contains some INTJs.

[coffeeloverfreak]

This is a good thread, although it's tough to type some fictional characters who aren't written as complex enough to truly be typed. Still, the exercise is fun.

How about:
-Detective Goren from Law & Order: Criminal Intent?
-Andy Dufresne from The Shawshank Redemption?
-Henry Winter from The Secret History?

[boothinator]

Ellen Degeneres seems like either an ENTJ or an INTJ to me. She keeps people at just that right kind of distance that she either tries to connect to them and understand them or just be with them.

I think Snape is an INTJ with a complex history, especially since he still has bad feelings about Harry's parents. He also seems to have a lot of hidden responsibility. With that kind of context, it makes sense that he would be the way he is, especially in his feelings toward Harry.

I think Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) is either an ENTJ or an INTJ, and his practicality balanced out Pink Floyd so well that it sort of went to pieces when he left.

Ed Robertson from Barenaked Ladies seems very INTJ. He is very competent at guitar, yet it took him a while to get the confidence to sing and songwrite. But his songs are usually deeper and more abstract and laden with odd references.

David Bowie as INTJ? His songs are so abstract yet structured.

[NoahAddle]

Is Hillary Clinton INTJ?

The author Michael Melcher seems to think so.

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[Jgib5328]

Is Hillary Clinton INTJ?

The author Michael Melcher seems to think so.

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Thoughts anyone?

I heard she was an ENTJ. I'd hate to share a type with her.

[Kotetsu]

Auron from FFX.

[ssfanatic]

Does anyone read books by Michael Chrichton?
I think hes an INTJ, agree or disagree?

[INTJoe]

Ellen Degeneres seems like either an ENTJ or an INTJ to me. She keeps people at just that right kind of distance that she either tries to connect to them and understand them or just be with them.

Although I don't know much about Ellen, and I pride myself on that, I'd say she's almost surely an NF idealist. And extrovert. I'd guess ENFP or ENFJ.

NF's are sometimes described as "crybabies", and Ellen is certainly that. I don't get the stoic NT vibe from her at all. She's one of those people that thinks that everyone can get along, and that all people are the same, and that if everyone would just love eachother then the World would be awesome. Gag.

[meanlittlechimp]

Reed Richards is definitely INTJ. One of the few superheroes who are INT, I think.

Not sure about Calvin, though. He seems more like an INFP.

I think you're right. I once tried to list comic book characters by type and couldn't think of one that was an INTJ. I also think the main character in Prison Break is an INTJ, his brother an ESTP.

I would also list Howard Hughes as an INTJ.

I think many of the INTJs that were in the OP are off (Dan Akroyd, Kubrick, Lewis Carrol, Chevy Chase, Giuliani to name a few).

Many of the famous or historical figures listed on "official" sites like socionics etc, I think are crap. There is never a rationale listed as to why and when I do more research on their biographies - I'm baffled how they came to their conclusions. It's like they just pulled them out of their ass.

[INTJoe]

I think many of the INTJs that were in the OP are off (Dan Akroyd, Kubrick, Lewis Carrol, Chevy Chase, Giuliani to name a few).

I agree, many are off. But what do you think their types are? I think Kubrick would have to be at least IXTJ. Not sure about Aykroyd, but the movie Nothing But Trouble was his brainchild, and I love every minute of it. haha. It's totally on my wavelength.

Chevy Chase is surprising, because he seems so popular, one might think he's an EXFX or something. BUT I think his movie characters are much "cooler" and more E than he is IRL. Watch some of his YouTube clips from the short-lived The Chevy Chase show from the early 90's....it's really awkward. He really seems like an INTJ on stage. He's very uncomfortable and it shows. Also, he's known as a crotchety-asshole throughout the business. Him and Bill Murray got into a fistfight on the set of SNL back in the 70's. Chevy is also very smart and opinionated.

[meanlittlechimp]

I agree, many are off. But what do you think their types are? I think Kubrick would have to be at least IXTJ. Not sure about Aykroyd, but the movie Nothing But Trouble was his brainchild, and I love every minute of it. haha. It's totally on my wavelength.

Chevy Chase is surprising, because he seems so popular, one might think he's an EXFX or something. BUT I think his movie characters are much "cooler" and more E than he is IRL. Watch some of his YouTube clips from the short-lived The Chevy Chase show from the early 90's....it's really awkward. He really seems like an INTJ on stage. He's very uncomfortable and it shows. Also, he's known as a crotchety-asshole throughout the business. Him and Bill Murray got into a fistfight on the set of SNL back in the 70's. Chevy is also very smart and opinionated.

I don't know enough about Chevy Chase. I think of him more as slapstick actor than comedian (since I don't recall him writing anything). I wouldn't type actors based on the characters they portray but how they act in their personal life.

I hate it when people say so and so is smart, so they must by their type. There were some threads here about typing actors and comedians where I posted in more detail on this - that you might have some interest in.

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[Gabrielle]

I think Rufus Shinra from FFVII is THE INTJ from the FF series. He fits the image perfectly - the evil conglomerate mastermind who's yanking the strings behind all that happens.

As for the Nazi regime, when I studied Hitler I think he was an ENTJ - he really liked being with people. As for his sidekick and the Minister of Propaganda Goebbels though, HE was an INTJ.

[INTJoe]

I hate it when people say so and so is smart, so they must by their type. There were some threads here about typing actors and comedians where I posted in more detail on this - that you might have some interest in.


I didn't say he's smart so he must be INTJ. I listed a group of things about him that are generally consistent with INTJ behavior.

1) Awkward during non-scripted moments.
2) Crotchety
3) A-hole
4) Gets into fights/holds long-term grudges
5) Very smart
6) Opinionated

This is in addition to him being listed on some websites as INTJ. You came into the thread and blanketly stated that you didn't think many of the people listed were INTJ. Why do you think they aren't? What do you think they are? Simple questions. Just trying to start a discussion here, not get an ENTP mad because he thinks that I think only INTJ's can be very smart.





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You certainly enjoy linking to your base forum, ***********, that's for sure.

Anyway, I perused your post here and a lot of it does seem pretty accurate. I scoff at Sascha Baron Cohen as ENTP though.

He's very private, isn't he? He certainly is an I. I don't know enough about him (again, he's so private) to assess his other letters, but I'd say he's probably also an N. He's extremely bright, and N is the largest indicator of intelligence.

[meanlittlechimp]

I didn't say he's smart so he must be INTJ. I listed a group of things about him that are generally consistent with INTJ behavior.

1) Awkward during non-scripted moments.
2) Crotchety
3) A-hole
4) Gets into fights/holds long-term grudges
5) Very smart
6) Opinionated



Do you actually think INTJs are more likely to get into fist fights than other types. That's the first time I've heard that and it actually made me laugh. I think they are actually far less likely than most other types by a very wide margin.

I think INTJs can definitely be A-holes but they tend to keep it to themselves more. ENTJs/ESTJs are usually far more aggressive and get the A-hole label more frequently, so do ENTPs/ESTPs and extroverts in general. Crotchety is not exactly a market cornered by the INTJ. I would say aloof describes the INTJ style more than A-hole.

Holding long term grudges: I'll give you that, but again, this could be applied to several other types. J types, in general, hold long term grudges.

Awkward? You don' think ISTJs can be awkward? INTPs? ISTPs or any other introvert for that matter. Not that extroverts can't be awkward but there is definitely more tendency in introverts for obvious reason.

Opinionated? You think they are much more opinionated than the other Ns? I'm curious how you come to these conclusions. Smart, we already covered.

I don't have a base forum (they all interest me). A lot of things have just been covered there earlier since it's been around much longer. Didn't feel like re-posting long arguments for everything again (just laziness here); but I can see how it can be annoying. I'll refrain moving forward .

I don't get mad - I use incendiary language occasionally to illicit response and discourse. This is my idea of having fun.

[INTJoe]

What is disheartening is that you opined that many listed INTJ are not, in fact, INTJ, but have given no observational data as to why they are NOT INTJ, and moreover, what they are.

Then you are breaking apart my post in a totally illogical way. You aren't being constructive. Just coming in, being blase, and adding nothing to the thread.

Re-read the thread from the point at which you denounced Chase, Aykroyd, et al, as INTJs. The thing is, I really WANT to hear your reasoning, but why do I have to read a gigantic post over at *********** to do so?

You stated your opinion here, now back it up. Or, do like you said, and leave this thread without "cleaning up" your mess.

[meanlittlechimp]

Then you are breaking apart my post in a totally illogical way. You aren't being constructive. Just coming in, being blase, and adding nothing to the thread.

Re-read the thread from the point at which you denounced Chase, Aykroyd, et al, as INTJs. The thing is, I really WANT to hear your reasoning, but why do I have to read a gigantic post over at *********** to do so?

You stated your opinion here, now back it up. Or, do like you said, and leave this thread without "cleaning up" your mess.

I think the burden of proof should be on the person claiming a historical or public figure is a type. Do you think my criticisms on how you typed were just being argumentative without any merit?

You didn't respond whatsover to any of my points. But ok. Keep on typing random people without justification. I won't muck up this thread with debate on other people's assessments.


Hitler a feeler!? lol. Doubtful. I'm pretty sure he made his decisions based on "logic", and not on satisfying people, but I'm really not that studied on Hitler above what we learn in H.S. and College.


Here's how I typed Hitler.

I would say ENFP (with an outside chance of INFP). He was known to be very derelict in his duties, disappearing to his villa and basically flaking out a lot of the time when his staff was trying to contact him to make decisions. I can't imagine an INFJ being a demagogue in the way hitler was. Paranoia tends to be an ENFP coping mechanism when they are highly stressed which also supports my thesis.

He would also swing from energetic, gregarious and charming to irrational outbursts of temper which doesn't sound very INFJ or even ENFJ to me. Those types tend to be in fairly consistent moods. He was not the careful planner type, his subordinates were very aware of his lack of attention to detail and his inconsistency in thought or action.

From a book review on amazon, "Payne's account is particularly strong in following Hitler's Vienna period, when he ended up as a homeless vagabond. He eventually spent several years in a men's shelter where he earned a living painting postcards and spent time entertaining his companions with his occasional ranting outbursts."

J's usually have their shit together enough, not to be a homeless beggar with delusions of grandeur of their artisitic talent. ENFPs and INFPs on the other hand.....

[INTJoe]

I think the burden of proof should be on the person claiming a historical or public figure is a type. Do you think my criticisms on how you typed were just being argumentative without any merit?

You didn't respond whatsover to any of my points. But ok. Keep on typing random people without justification. I won't muck up this thread with debate on other people's assessments.


First, I never typed Chevy Chase or Aykroyd as INTJ. It's been posted all over the web, afaik. They were never my assessments to begin with.

You did come in and state that you didn't think Chase was an INTJ. But then you gave no reason as to why he isn't INTJ. I'm just curious, what do you think he is? I tried to list reasons why I could see him as INTJ, and you saw "he's smart" then assailed my character for likening smartness with INTJness.

So, what is he? You don't believe he's INTJ.

[meanlittlechimp]

First, I never typed Chevy Chase or Aykroyd as INTJ. It's been posted all over the web, afaik. They were never my assessments to begin with.

You did come in and state that you didn't think Chase was an INTJ. But then you gave no reason as to why he isn't INTJ. I'm just curious, what do you think he is? I tried to list reasons why I could see him as INTJ, and you saw "he's smart" then assailed my character for likening smartness with INTJness.

So, what is he? You don't believe he's INTJ.

I never claimed you did, I mentioned specifically sites like Socionics. I don't have an argument for Chevy Chase as I've never thought about him before or looked into his biography. Any typing of him would be ridiculous for me at this point. I was hoping to be enlightened by you, or others here, who did do their research on him, sadly I was mistaken.

Again, the burden of proof should be on the person claiming one is a type at all. The reason I think he's less likely to be an INTJ (which I'm not ruling out completely). Is because it's less likely for INTJs, IMO, to go into acting or slapstick comedy at the professional level, for various reasons listed in the thread I posted. If you don't want to read it, don't. I'm not going to post a long complicated rationale, that you obviously don't have the patience to read here.

Since you refuse to address any of my points to you, regarding your typing rationale - though I'm taking the time to address yours; I will stop responding to you moving forward.

Otherwise, I'll lose patience and start to "assail" your character again. Dirty trick I know, but it's the only rhetorical device available to me, when debating someone who is so earnest and insightful.

[INTJoe]

The reason I think he's less likely to be an INTJ (which I'm not ruling out completely). Is because it's less likely for INTJs, IMO, to go into acting or slapstick comedy at the professional level

FINALLY some reasoning as to why you don't think he's INTJ. After 900 posts.

His wiki page lists him as a writer, actor, and comedian.
He was valedictorian of his high school, and was later expelled from a College. He studied pre-med, but earned a degree in English. He played drums and keyboard in a band, one of which went on to become Steely Dan. He's worked as a cab driver, truck driver, motorcycle messenger, construction worker, waitor, busboy, fruitpicker, produce manager, audio engineer, wine salesman, and usher.

It appears as though nothing would be surprising about Chevy Chase's career choices. I agree, that INTJ's are probably less likely to be professional actors, but definitely they'd be writers. I just get this vibe from you that it's not really possible for an INTJ to be a comedic performer. Keep in mind, performances are scripted. An INTJ would fare OK at performing a script. We just can't really "wing it".

Watch Chevy Chase on YouTube. Watch the clip of The Chevy Chase show and tell me he doesn't appear to be an INTJ. He's a clueless f*ck in social situations that aren't really scripted.

Also, what are your thoughts about Sascha Baron Cohen? I stated earlier that I believe he's an Introvert IRL. You had listed him as ENTP. You never responded to me about that.

[meanlittlechimp]

Just so I can be clear, your rationale that he's an INTJ is:

[] he graduated first in his class
[] clueless in unscripted social situations

Am I missing anything else?

Here is a link to my typing of Sasha Cohen. I am not going to post it here - very long and is off topic from the OP (as I'm claiming he's an ENTP). I also don't see INTJs, even comics, being adept at using slang and colliqualisms naturally/fluidly. Out of the ones I know, and based on their writing style on this forum and others, it doesn't seem to be their forte, I could be wrong.

It's one of the reasons I was excited to see this forum taking off, to see if there are counter-examples to my stereotypes.

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[INTJoe]

Just so I can be clear, your rationale that he's an INTJ is:

[] he graduated first in his class
[] clueless in unscripted social situations

Am I missing anything else?



This is how it went down. Somebody in the OP posted Chevy Chase as an INTJ. You came in and said you don't think he is. I asked you what you thought he was, and gave reasons why he COULD be INTJ. You...used circular logic and acted generally weird, stalled for time, and kept linking me to your base forum. But yes, graduating top of class and at the same time, being a social idiot in unscripted situations is easily INTJ trait (among a few other of the MBTI's).

Here is a link to my typing of Sasha Cohen. I am not going to post it here - very long and is off topic from the OP (as I'm claiming he's an ENTP). I also don't see INTJs, even comics, being adept at using slang and colliqualisms naturally/fluidly. Out of the ones I know, and based on their writing style on this forum and others, it doesn't seem to be their forte, I could be wrong.

I've already read that. You already linked it, remember? And in your post, you don't give specifics as to why he's ENTP, he's just lumped together with several others. Most of those look correct though. I've also pegged Colbert as ENTP. The type of ENTP that needs to be punched in the face because he thinks he's way wittier and charming than he actually is. Again, I think IRL, SB-C is very private. He's hard to type. I think Tom Green is another show comedian who is ENTP. He's great on TV, from a distance, but when people see him face-to-face they want to beat the snot out of him. Conan O'Brien is probably ENTP or ENFP. I'd guess ENTP. Same deal. I love Conan, but in person he'd probably come off as a real arrogant sleazeball. Craig Kilborn may be similar.


It's one of the reasons I was excited to see this forum taking off, to see if there are counter-examples to my stereotypes.


Stereotypes? About INTJ's? How many of us have you met IRL? 3?

I should upload some of the shit I've filmed on YouTube. INTJ's can be hysterical! We just need the right environment. :thumbsup:

I've also penned jokes for my ESTP brother who performed stand-up for a short time. I've got a little brother who is ENFP, and in public everybody thinks I'm the least funny of the 3, however both my brothers readily admit I'm far funnier. The thing with INTJ's is.......we aren't comfortable showing our true self around certain folks. But if you saw some of my videos, you'd be shocked to learn I was INTJ.

We're glad to have you here. It's nice to see some E's come online and join in the discussion. It's so hard to communicate with y'all IRL because you constantly interrupt us I's! :undecided: We're not quick-tongued, so we get trampled, then just give up and walk away and think bad thoughts about you E's. hahaha. :laugh:

[acyckowski]

No way Hitler was INTJ, unless the mustard gas twisted him irreparably. The use of logic is not the exclusive domain of NT's, the difference is our ability and willingness to challenge our own premises. This distinguishes rational thought from rationalizing thought.

Hitler's motivation was more personal than goal-oriented: it was about reinforcing his ego and justifying his anger. Were he truly an NT, you would expect a willingness on his part to adapt his strategies to the changing fortunes of war. Instead, he continued to reinforce failure. There are numerous references in "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" to Hitler's unwillingness to receive unexpected news from his generals. With the Allies surrounding Berlin, he was still issuing orders to divisions that no longer existed. To me, this indicates a complete inability to cope with reality, much less embrace it and take positive action towards a goal.

[INTJoe]

I could see an unhealthy INTJ exhitibing those behaviors.

Take a person of any of the 16 types, and strip away the mental health of that person and you'll see anomolies in their behavior.

[Tokey41]

What about Sylar from Heroes or Victor Frankenstein from Frankenstein as types of unhealthy INTJ's?

[httc1978]

After scanning the thread, I realised there hasn't been any discussions on the Star Wars Characters.. So going to start:

1. Palpatine / Darth Sidious / Emperor
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[Darkmist]

After much observation, I have typed Simon Cowell as ENTJ also. Honest no matter whose feelings get hurt, business comes first, I'm doing you a favor by being critical and so on. The other possibility is ESTJ, but . . . He seems more forgiving than a S. NTJ's ( at least me) feel that grudges are a waste of time. All right you've had your say, now lets get back to work. Could be INTJ too I suppose, but I get E vibes from him.

I've heard Nicole Kidman is INTJ and upon watching her, I believe it's possible. She's very private, gets nervous when asked personal questions on talk shows and generally doesn't appear on such shows unless forced to. She is refined, quiet and very aware of how to retain her image, as opposed to image conscious for the sake of showing off. When I listen to her or see her, I see very little of her inner self, except when Tom Cruise split with her. Otherwise, feelings just don't show with her much. A guess, I know. Without knowing these people personally, I can't accurately judge.

[INTJoe]

No, Simon is too smart for ESTJ. He's definitely got the N going for him, and he isn't overly excitable with Sensory things. A great example is when he hears a great sensory performance from one of the singers, he's totally still and just says "That was terrific." Paula, the Sensor, meanwhile starts getting wet in the nether-region.

And I really doubt he's INTJ. He may be pretty private in his personal life, but when you listen to him talk, it's clear that he doesn't have the INTJ "inner filter". His words just sort of pour out naturally. He thinks outloud, and is quick-tongued. He's far too quick verbally to be INTJ. And he's trapped next to the Sensor-Feeler Paula who's F is probably 100.

[Sylvanus]

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How did they come up with Darth Maul's type? He doesn't have any lines, who knows what's going on in his head.

[httc1978]

How did they come up with Darth Maul's type? He doesn't have any lines