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Xtradi
07-30-2008, 04:44 AM
Because of this thread (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), i find it interesting to ask what will you do if there is no problem?

No problem mean that nothing in the world that could be a problem, in the past, now, and future. No sickness, no pain, and because of it no gain.

Maybe the answer is related about why God is created a problem in first place. i'm not Christian but i'm monotheist still.

And the reason why we, human exist in first place. Meaning our true purpose, if there are any.


Please answer my question first, if you want to ask me.

Monte314
07-30-2008, 05:06 AM
I expect to find myself in this situation someday. The Apostle Paul said (I Cor. 13) that there will be hope even in Heaven. That can only mean that even perfection can continue to get better and better. There will be plenty for me to do there.

muguly
07-30-2008, 05:12 AM
Finally be able to see the joy in the world. I would have more children because I wouldn't have to worry about their future. I would travel more. More of everything.

Beery Swine
07-30-2008, 06:37 AM
Play video games, read, have sex with the sexbots, eat, and have not a care in the world. And we all lived happily ever after until heat death was complete, or until we discovered a way around those damned TD laws.

NHere
07-30-2008, 06:47 AM
Be bored to tears.

Some days I fear heaven.

JessicaHavenLea
07-30-2008, 06:52 AM
I'd kill myself. Since that may create a problem for some other poor, boredom-tortured INTJ to "solve". Yeah that'd do it.

Xtradi
07-30-2008, 06:57 AM
actually death is a problem(although problem itself is relative). To get better requires problem in which we get better at.

hhm is should say where there is perfection anywhere so there is no problem, even we are itself so perfect so we really don't have anything to do.

we don't have to be better because we cannot be better than perfect.

we don't have to go travel to places if we already have a perfect memory for any places, or can teleport anywhere.

you can have the feeling of sex with even having to do the sex. Hell why do you need sex if you can just make yourself feeling good like using drugs but having no long term effect of drugs?

even video games needs problem to be an interesting game. You don't want to play a game where you have to kill enemy that cannot kill you in anyway (God mode) for example.

You don't have to eat anymore, because eating is our problem in attaining energy for body.

Beery Swine
07-30-2008, 07:12 AM
even video games needs problem to be an interesting game. You don't want to play a game where you have to kill enemy that cannot kill you in anyway (God mode) for example.

I used IDDQD all the time and it only added to my enjoyment of Doom. Being a god in a video game is how I enjoy the game.

Antares
07-30-2008, 07:35 AM
I used IDDQD all the time and it only added to my enjoyment of Doom. Being a god in a video game is how I enjoy the game.

God mode is pretty cool at first, but it becomes terribly boring after a while. You watch as you become the strongest player and everyone crumbles before you, but there is no sense of danger at all. Like in the game, being 'God mode' in life is no life at all. Which is a problem, of course. I pity God sometimes.

Beery Swine
07-30-2008, 08:56 AM
God mode is pretty cool at first, but it becomes terribly boring after a while.

You should modify that like so: "God mode is pretty cool at first, but it becomes terribly boring after a while for me personally."

Never gets old for me, depending on which game I'm playing. In God of War, for instance, I don't bother with cheats (except for maybe some cheat that gives me Icarus' wings early for that beautiful Icarus Lift technique) because I already feel powerful enought without them. In Hulk: UD you just don't feel like the Hulk unless you're invincible. In Deus Ex: Invisible War, again, I already feel like a god, so no point in cheating. Or in the Black & White games.

Games for me aren't a series of tasks to be overcome, they're places I've never been, sights I haven't seen, things I haven't, nor can ever, experience irl, entire worlds that have never existed that are just waiting to be explored.

I do tend to beat games once through before cheating just out of gamer vanity.

But being perfect at any instrument, I mean god-like perfection where it's just in your nature to play every note you intend, that would be really boring. For me.

Jakalwarrior
07-30-2008, 10:34 AM
When I was a christian in my teens the prospect of heaven always sounded terribly terribly boring to me. I was planning on begging god to let me come back down to earth and serve some purpose or even go to hell and serve some purpose (other than being tortured). Barring that I was planning on asking to be destoryed after I got good and bored of heaven.

PHS Philip
07-30-2008, 10:44 AM
Play video games, read, have sex with the sexbots, eat, and have not a care in the world. And we all lived happily ever after until heat death was complete, or until we discovered a way around those damned TD laws.

No problem. That means we've solved heat death

I like the laws of thermodynamics! I don't wanna lose them! :cry:

If there were no problems other than the lack of problems, I'd read every good piece of fiction in the universe, and then probably eject myself into space or something. Problems are what makes life interesting :undecided:

NephilimAzrael
08-03-2008, 12:15 PM
Does considering not having a problem not count as a problem for a problem solver? Therefore it is self-defeating, to me anyway.

jadefalcon
08-06-2008, 12:18 AM
Interesting question- this deserves a thought out answer.

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What will I do? probably go nuts- I am an engineer- I exist to solve problems. Maybe I will invent my own stuff, in a sense that is a problem- something must be created, even though there will be no problems constructing or designing it. I think with the human mind- we will always create problems, but try to solve them, too. Other than that, kick back, relax, pop a cola and read books- lots of them.


Does considering not having a problem not count as a problem for a problem solver? Therefore it is self-defeating, to me anyway.

Indeed, not having a problem, could be a problem for some people, like me!

Nexus
08-07-2008, 05:07 AM
I would be incredibly bored. A place with no problems would be hell. Thankfully such a world is not possible, so I have nothing to worry about.

Nihilum
12-13-2008, 03:01 PM
Frankly that's not possible in the lifetime of...well the universe. But then I guess I would have finished my job and could play video games and drink soda all day. Hehehehe.

Undead Bonzi
12-13-2008, 11:48 PM
I expect to find myself in this situation someday. The Apostle Paul said (I Cor. 13) that there will be hope even in Heaven. That can only mean that even perfection can continue to get better and better. There will be plenty for me to do there.


Ummm....someone educate me.

I thought perfection implied that it was the best, no room for improvement. If you had perfection and it got better....would it not mean that what you had before was not perfection? And if there is perfection that means there would be nothing left to do because nothing could be made better. If you existed in perfection, any action you took could only be to the detriment of the perfection. (given that if you had perfection it would imply there was no way left to improve and as a consequence any action undertook could only be harmful [since a perfect system would not require any external or internal forces to maintain or continue on]...and if a harmful action could be undertaken or perfection undone that would by definition negate the fact that you ever had perfection because if perfection were perfect there would be no flaws thus in a state of perfection inaction could be the only course of action and since inaction is viewed by many as a negative thing then perfection by nature would be imperfect because someone would always view the system as imperfect.

So to answer the question, if perfection were ever reached (contradictions and paradoxes aside) what would I or anyone do? The answer: Nothing. You could do nothing by the very definitions of perfection and what it implies.

idem
12-14-2008, 12:16 PM
The situation is paradoxical.

If sickness, death, violence, etc. did not exist, then humanity would no longer have anything to search for. The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything would be found. Without something to quest for, life would be meaningless. A meaningless existence is a bigger problem than all the evil the world already contains.

So, solving all of life's problems would create a far bigger one, which would in turn have to be solved by bringing back the original evils.

Vagrant
12-14-2008, 02:32 PM
What you're basically asking for is a yin without a yang.

Not gonna happen. One does not exist without the other.

Fryman58
12-14-2008, 02:48 PM
If there are no problems then I would create problems. Problems make life interesting and without problems life would be bored. To be honest I cannot picture a world without problems. We exist to solve problem.

Without problems to solve we will cease to exist because in order for our bodies to function we need problems.

Our body needs energy and nutrient to function. If we did not have that problem then why would we eat?

Vagrant
12-14-2008, 05:43 PM
Without problems to solve we will cease to exist because in order for our bodies to function we need problems.

A better way of wording that is our bodies are out of equilibrium with the environment. Maintaining a disequilibrium requires energy.

melon
12-14-2008, 07:19 PM
If there were no problems other than the lack of problems, I'd read every good piece of fiction in the universe, and then probably eject myself into space or something.
Play video games, read, have sex with the sexbots, eat, and have not a care in the world.

But wouldn't not having read each good piece of fiction constitute a problem? In a problemless world, nothing could possibly bring more satisfaction than what you already have; having sex, reading, eating, and so on would bring no further enjoyment, so such activities would be meaningless. Like some of the others, I would find this unbearably boring. (I suppose boredom and a sense of meaninglessness would also be a problem, which would make this scenario a contradiction.) If it were possible, I would likely attempt to create problems, provided that the problems didn't negatively effect any unwilling others.

Otherwise, I'd probably kill myself.

Tishy
12-14-2008, 07:31 PM
I hate the idea of hanging about on clouds with nothing to do.

I've heard the theory that if we are made in the image of God - and God created a universe and operates within that universe, that this will be something we are to do. Adam was given a garden and animals to work with, is it weird to think that we won't have work and things to do?

(Yes, I understand that others do not believe the same as I do - I'm expressing my own thoughts on the subject and am not trying to convince anyone of anything - oh God! This is like the disclaimer at the beginning of Dogma...)

volk
12-15-2008, 05:11 AM
Question: If there were no problems, then how would we know that we are living in a problem free environment?

My guess is that we would get along just as well as we are doing now, no better not worse. If you are instead asking the question of what I personally would do if all my problems would suddenly disappear nowhere to be seen again, then my answer is simple: I would not have any purpose in life and there would not be a tiny bit of motivation left in me to do anything.

I think we humans are by design problem solving creatures. On the other hand if problems never existed then we would instead be designed as non-problem-solving-creatures and thus would not mind at all to live in a problem free environment.

Then again, the very definition of a "problem" is an ambiguous concept.

John F Kennedy
12-15-2008, 10:45 AM
I see this as a problem of speed. If there was no resistance in the form of conflicts, imperfections, problems, slowdowns, then everything would speed up. We don't need things being faster in this already fast-paced world. But even worse, things would perhaps speed up so much that everything would be simultaneous!

volk
12-20-2008, 01:59 AM
I have come across a few paragraphs today that closely relate to this topic. The book is called "Thick Face Black Heart". Here is the text I found:

Imagine if I could give you a miracle formula or a pill that would enable you instantly to eliminate all the negative experiences in your life. How wonderful would your life be? You would have no worries and would live stress-free. Right? Wouldn't this be the ultimate dream come true?

But the fact is that if such a pill or formula existed, it would not make you happy or even stress-free. Researchers at the University of California at Berkeley have backed this up with a study that show how our society puts too much emphasis on eliminating negative experiences when trying to alleviate stress.

The absence of negative experiences in our life does not alone contribute to the quality of our life. As humans we need challenges in order to develop fully and bring forth all the positive aspects within ourselves. The only way to feel truly happy is by confronting these challenges and overcoming them. We want to touch life's every fiber, even the negative ones, and feel alive by riding high on life itself.

Drienne
12-20-2008, 06:26 AM
That would be the biggest problem!

I guess I'd spend my time creating problems then. Hope they grow out of hand so I'd have something else to occupy my mind.

Deliberator
12-20-2008, 09:19 PM
I think my head might explode.

Zombicide
12-20-2008, 09:55 PM
I would exist in any way that I should ever desire from that point on, experiences everything that I would want without anything hindering me

PeterIMC
12-20-2008, 11:03 PM
Because of this thread (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), i find it interesting to ask what will you do if there is no problem?

No problem mean that nothing in the world that could be a problem, in the past, now, and future. No sickness, no pain, and because of it no gain.

Maybe the answer is related about why God is created a problem in first place. i'm not Christian but i'm monotheist still.

And the reason why we, human exist in first place. Meaning our true purpose, if there are any.


Please answer my question first, if you want to ask me.

That's easy,..... if there are no problems, it means I can dedicate all my time to improving things.

Just to explain: When something can be improved, it doesn't mean there is a problem. Something can work just perfectly fine, but you could make it more efficient.

In otherwords: Life is more than just solving problems.

mplogue
12-21-2008, 01:18 AM
In an infinite universe, there will always be problems.......

zibber
12-22-2008, 03:41 AM
People are gifted with the capability to create problems based on their situation. There's always plenty to be complain (and pity oneself) about, no matter how unproblematic the situation may seem.