WoW Q&A

[Motor Jax]

this wouldn't be for the WoW bashers, but for questions and answers. not for alliance vs horde (i am Horde, btw)... but to just ask questions and find out some of the best spots to go...

i had some questions last night that really needs answering cause i am at a loss right now...

background = i started playing back in Feb 2008... my first MMORPG that i ever, ever, ever gotten interested in... not very big on abbreviations, instances, etc...

example = rfd (<< wtf?? it took me like 2 hours to realize this person was asking if i would do Razorfen Downs... i cannot do the abbreviation thing, so spelled out would help...)


ok, so about May 2008 timeframe, i crossed over to Horde from my Ally 27 Night Elf... and i have just been grinding

i am now a lvl 39 Arms 5/3/0 (though i want Fury) Tauren Warrior, miner/blacksmith


so, in the PvP realm of Balnazzar, i had gained some Honor Points...

*where can i use Honor Points? and how do i do it?


i have also gained Talent Points...

*where do i go to get more gear or spec my Tauren for Fury? and how do i use them?



i have been trying to grind in places where there would be, at least, some decent drops... but i haven't found any place yet...

*i have tried Desolace, Dustwallow Swamp, and Shimmering Flats in Thousand Needles...

*from there, i have also tried Hillsbrad (where i am still finishing up some quest) and Arathi Highlands



i know in the instances, they drop quiet a few pieces of good gear... but i'm mostly solo (though i do tank on occasion)... but i am looking for a good spot to grind and gear up



and additionally, i was actually loaned some gold to get my first mount for my Tauren this past weekend...

ending statement: so, i am still a bit new to the game, but past the n00b stage... i have either got vendor white gear, or gear that i picked up levels ago... since my mount, i have got hardly any gold... i am not good on abbreviations... and i am at a loss right now...


i am sure there will be more questions in the future... :)





Motor Jax added to this post, 81 minutes and 11 seconds later...

oh, and i wrote this now since all the servers have been down for the past 8 hours due to maintenance...

[SShack]

I'm not a PVP player so I'll let somebody else answer those questions.

I'm a little confused about your talent point issues. You get a talent point every level past level 10 and it's automatic. At this point you should have 30 talent points on your warrior. Your point distribution that you have listed doesn't reflect that and I'm a little confused about what you're doing. You appear to have a ton of unspent talent points.

If you want to change your talent spec, you can go to any warrior trainer and click on the option to unlearn your talents. You have to pay a fee, but you'll then get all your talent points back to reassign.

I have a level 40 warrior alt (fury) and I've been mostly soloing him too. When they launched the Burning Crusade expansion they also tweaked the experience gain, making it less of a grind to get to level 60. One of the unexpected side effects of having to do less work to gain levels is the reduced chance that you'll get good gear drops on your own. (since they're dropped by creatures you fight, and you now fight fewer creatures to gain levels, you now have a less of a chance to get good gear).

So really, you can no longer rely on getting good gear on your own and have to deal with the auction house. Unfortunately though, there's been a bit of inflation (at least on my server) as people have been able to hoard more and more gold once they hit 70. Most lower level characters are alts and their gear is funded by the level 70 main mailing them gold to buy the best stuff on the Auction House. This is called "twinking," in case you hear the reference. When my warrior hit level 40 and I went to the auction house to take a look at plate armor, I had to laugh. Profiteers had snatched up all useful level 40 plate armor and were selling it on the AH for five or six times what it was normally worth. Smart, but I realized the armor boost wasn't all that necessary and noted that the level 41 armor was much cheaper and decided to wait for a few items.

So then, if you want to play solo and can't rely on drops and can't afford the auction house gear, then maybe racking up points for gear in the PVP battlegrounds is the way to go. (You can purchase gear designed for PVP not with gold, but with the points and tokens you earn from PVP) If you wait until level 40, you'll be able to wear plate armor. Again, maybe a PVP expert can advise you here, because I avoid that part of the game. I've only been in a battleground once.

As for what you want on your gear, if you're looking at fury spec, you want strength and stamina (look for "of the bear" on magic weapons and armor in the Auction House), and +attack power when you can find it (it's not all that common until you get to level 60, when there are significant changes in what stats are available). There are other types of bonuses that are useful to warriors, but I wouldn't worry about them so much until you've learned the class more.

I dual-wield one-handed axes and get through fights fairly quickly, unless I go through a string of annoying misses. My character is pretty twinked though -- I even have a rare axe I bought in the Auction House. I imagine the fighting must be pretty tough for you with the gear you have.

[thod]

where can i use Honor Points? and how do i do it?

There are vendors in the capital cities and also outside the instances. You can only buy level capped gear.

*where do i go to get more gear or spec my Tauren for Fury? and how do i use them?

You need to visit a warrior trainer to reset your talent points then you can respec to fury.

*i have tried Desolace, Dustwallow Swamp, and Shimmering Flats in Thousand Needles...

*from there, i have also tried Hillsbrad (where i am still finishing up some quest) and Arathi Highlands


There are lots of places you can go to quest alone. You wont improve your gear much like this. You can look up quests that reward useful items for your level and do these. The best way to get gear is to run instances or buy it on AH.

have either got vendor white gear, or gear that i picked up levels ago... since my mount, i have got hardly any gold... i am not good on abbreviations... and i am at a loss right now...

Noobie, noobie noob. I am surprised you can even play in white gear. You should everything green at least with a few blues. Get your ass into scarlet monastery to get some gear, everyone wants a tank but with your gear, a mage would be a better tank. Make sure you pick up the quests there first.

[Motor Jax]

ah, tks for the talents points issue... exactly how do i find out how much i have? i know it prob in the character info

i have heard the term 'twink' before

as for weapons handling, i have been working on getting my weapons lvl up (except polearm and crossbow as they seem to be hard to find for some unknown reason)... but right now, i dual with an axe (60-90 crit damage) and a dagger (19-29 crit damage)

i like the dual weld as it seem to provide a lot more flexibility in damage though, but i have some hi-lvl white gear (2 handed weapons) from vendors also... like the battle axe (60-101 crit damage)

tks for the advise about the warrior trainer... i'll check that as soon as i get back on :)





Motor Jax added to this post, 1 minutes and 58 seconds later...

ah, scarlet monastery... tks...

and its good i'm already on that side of the pond... lol...

[Jakalwarrior]

If you are looking for somewhere to grind an gear up you need to first reach level 70 then play Alteric Valley until you are blue in the face. Buy the latest available purple armors and weapons for your class from the pvp vendor as you attain the points.

Elitist jerk forums are a good place to take advantage of other peoples hard math work when picking a spec and gear.

[Fej]

I will spend my life playing MMORPGs. I will be like this guy..

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[Minxz]

To find your talent points you press "N" on the Keyboard. This brings up your Talent Tree. For a warrior you will have the 3 tabs already mentioned (Fury, Arms, Protection). Each tab will show the total points you have spent on the skills. If you have any points that have not been spent they will show in the bottom right corner of the talent tree screen.

You can practice building your tree on this site:

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This helps you plan ahead as to where you are going to put your points as you get them. Your Spec gets more and more important as you get higher.

This following site is a good place to learn about warrior builds:

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[Motor Jax]

I will spend my life playing MMORPGs. I will be like this guy..

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awesome you picked that, Fej... there are times i think i am that guy lol...


anyways, about this picture... i haven't yet to figure out why he has a K Bar right by his keyboard...

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Motor Jax added to this post, 2 minutes and 33 seconds later...

You can practice building your tree on this site:

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tks... this should help a lot...

[Minxz]

Maybe he brandishes it wildly at the screen when he gets frustrated OH or at anyone who dares interrupt his Game time lol

[Motor Jax]

probably

ok, so here is me (*please don't laugh too hard)

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(i have also found that i am the only one in the whole game of WoW that has this name... Dacur, i like it...)

ok, so the Knight's boots i picked up from Arathi Highlands yesterday, helping tank someone through a couple of quests... and i utilize the axe + shield

[thod]

What can I say but 'lol' at that profile.

Warriors almost never solo with a shield, you want 2h or DW for soloing. You want STR and STA mostly. AGI is good too. You have no use for INT or SPI at all. I am sure you can get better than those whites for a few gold in the AH. Shields are for tanking,

The easiest way to get some decent gear is to enlist a high level and have them run you through SM or Uldaman. Probably better off getting to 40 first so you can wear plate.

[Minxz]

Definitely need better chest to start have you used the AH at all? It doesn't look like you've spent all your talent points?

[Motor Jax]

yea, the realms are back up... gonna see about them talent points at Undercity

[Noehelia]

You really need to read things for the game. Wowwiki is a start. I do not understand how you can not have enough gold, what do you do? You have mining, don't you sell the minerals on Auction house? That should be enough to have now plenty of gold. You do not need grinding at all in these levels, quests give enough money, they give xp and they give satisfactory gear.

I had not play for long until late June that I had the opportunity again to play for 2-3 weeks. I started a new character in a new server with not knowing anyone there so there was no way I could have any gold other than what I earned on my own. I think I left my character at 45 level, buying gear whenever I found something interesting even just to wear it, see how my stats were and then sell it to the vendor, changing talents at least 10 times (every time you change your talents the fee you pay is raised), having bought my mount with the previous fee that was 100 gold, having bought 6 16slot bags and in general spending the money in whatever I pleased and still managed to raise 300 gold. It is not difficult at all. I have already described in another thread about wow what someone can do to raise money.

[Tempyst]

Wee, first post had to be a response to a WoW question...

...have you been to Stranglethorn Vale? If not, go there. It's amazing for leveling from ~35-45. If you're 39, it should be perfect for you to at least get a quick level or two out of.

Most everything else seems to have been answered in some way or another.

Definitely head to STV (Stranglethorn Vale), tho. The quests are extremely easy and clustered so you can do 3-5 at a time. ...however, if you're on a PvP server (I didn't check), might be best to avoid it. It's a cesspool of ganking.

Also, you might try to get a few mods to help you out. I use a mod called FuBar that has a LocationFu addon that tells you what zones / instances you should be questing in. Once you hit 40, you'll want to be in Feralas, Tanaris or Hinterlands, tho. Couple others, like Searing Gorge, etc. are staggered in their levels... but Feralas, Tanaris and Hinterlands are all 40-50.

I'd try to answer more questions, but I'm not very familiar with Warriors in the least.

[Motor Jax]

tks. i seem to be drawn more towards Tanaris when i get to that point... don't know what it is, but i seem to like that area

and i'll head to Stranglethorn after i get done with hillsbrad... may even gank some ally doing so...

also, i have already changed some stats on my profile... :)

spec'd for Fury now...

[Americano]

Seriously, if you're a miner money can be made so easily. The economy is so inflated in WoW due to Daily quests and easy PvP epics at 70 that even a stack of 20 copper is 2-6 gold. I made an alt warrior that went mining/blacksmithing and by level 22 he had 119 gold, basically just from selling copper. Go farm ore for a few hours and sell it all on the AH.

If I were you I would read up on some basic warrior guides that explain the talents, trees, and play styles.
The warrior forums at worldofwarcraft.com are a good place to start.
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[Henry]

Seriously, if you're a miner money can be made so easily. The economy is so inflated in WoW due to Daily quests and easy PvP epics at 70 that even a stack of 20 copper is 2-6 gold. I made an alt warrior that went mining/blacksmithing and by level 22 he had 119 gold, basically just from selling copper. Go farm ore for a few hours and sell it all on the AH.

If I were you I would read up on some basic warrior guides that explain the talents, trees, and play styles.
The warrior forums at worldofwarcraft.com are a good place to start.
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Its the very high-end, hardcore players that are doing this. They want blacksmithing for all the great BoP purples, then engineering for the same. Both use mats from mining.

[Mozzes]

Gold at 70 is simple. BGs, arena, heroics, and Kara pugging has pretty much made crafting professions useless and unprofitable (except for JC). If you want to make gold fast at 70 I'd go with mining and engineering. Collecting ore and motes while doing dailies - you could probably earn enough gold to get an epic flyer in a couple of months even if you started off like a Horatio Alger character.

[Americano]

Gold at 70 is simple. BGs, arena, heroics, and Kara pugging has pretty much made crafting professions useless and unprofitable (except for JC). If you want to make gold fast at 70 I'd go with mining and engineering. Collecting ore and motes while doing dailies - you could probably earn enough gold to get an epic flyer in a couple of months even if you started off like a Horatio Alger character.

He's not 70 though. As Henry said, a lot of 70s are power-leveling blacksmithing and engineering (more so engineering now for the reasons you said), and since Motor's warrior is a miner there is loads of gold for him to make.

[Motor Jax]

i tell you what... i spec'd him yesterday for fury... and i was online for 4 hours last night just grinding away... oh, it was the most beautiful experience i had ever had in the game... i was just having a great time with it yesterday...

i love the mining and blacksmithing though... i figured i could make my own weapons and have someone in my guild to enchant them

i also have an undead lock and undead rogue in the same guild... so, i spec'd the lock for destruction and a little demonology and the rogue is now spec'd for assassination and stealth...

[SShack]

Fury talents are great to grind with. I really don't have that much more downtime than I did with my warlock, which is the ultimate grinding class.

[Undead Bonzi]

Ahhhh WoW. Broke that habit a year ago but every once in a while I still miss my 3 Minute Mage. Never did play a warrior though, I prefered to yell at tanks rather than be one.

[Scorne]

Simple to make money, grind 1-3 level 70s and just do the 25 dailies on each every day. I make roughly 700-800g just from dailies. After that's done I just hop onto my gathering character and mine + herbalism then send them to my other character to smelt/create potions and put them on AH. After that I grind motes at elemental valley and use my lovely vacuum to suck up the extras in the mote clouds, AH them/send them to my bank alt.

For lower levels, you don't need money at all unless you're trying to twink yourself. If you need money, mining is good as the above posters have mentioned as selling them raw is good for people leveling it up, I generally go half and half (If I get 20 copper ore, I smelt 10 and AH 10 ores). Other than that.. can't really think of anything else, what I did with my warrior was just grind Tanaris humanoids as they drop cloths + the odd green/blue.

<-- Cba with WoW anymore.

[Henry]

Just canceled my account. Was taking up way too much of my time and we haven't had new 10 man content since ZA. Might come back for WoTLK.

[Americano]

Just canceled my account. Was taking up way too much of my time and we haven't had new 10 man content since ZA. Might come back for WoTLK.

In WoTLK all BC raid instances will become 10-man.

[Henry]

In WoTLK all BC raid instances will become 10-man.


It was taking up like 30 hours a week. Which is ridiculous for a game that I don't even consider "fun" anymore - it has some rewarding moments, but its really just one great big grind after another to create a false sense of accomplishment.

I might come back to experience content in Wrath, but I doubt it.

[Motor Jax]

Just canceled my account. Was taking up way too much of my time and we haven't had new 10 man content since ZA. Might come back for WoTLK.

what's 'WoTLK'?


anyways, i love my guild... i was on my warlock yesterday... and 2 others from my guild came to grind the same area (we were on our alts so i knew who these other 2 characters were)... anyways, we are around 30 level and just grinding away at Thousand Needles (where i grinded my warrior to lvl him)... so, we ended up doing these quests in quick succession... just going from one point to the next to the next to the next to the...

next thing you know, we start grinding at ashenville... i had to make a quick trip to eastern kingdom for my first mount, training my lock, demon train, first aid, etc... by this time, i had at least 29g on my lock cause the stuff in thousand needles sold pretty good (my lock is skinner/tailor, btw)

i caught back up to them and they were still just pluggin' away... i mean, it was the best experience i have had in a long time... i felt equal to them

so, for 8-9 hrs yesterday, that's what we did...

[Scorne]

what's 'WoTLK'?

Wrath of the Lich King, the new upcoming expansion set in Northrend.

[Motor Jax]

ah, tks

[Henry]

Lol they sent me an email telling me I can't come back because I gave a friend of mine all my gold and a bunch of BOEs I was saving for my alt..about 4k in total. They said that they can ban you for "anything that we feel detracts from the gameplay experience" and that they considered this to be an exploit.

Thanks blizz, finally kicked the habit for good.

[Motor Jax]

i have been working on my lock... i had to unlearn his talents so that i can make him Destruction...

some people have said that i should make him affliction, it makes him better at attacks... screw that, i play to kick butt and i'm in it to win... even if it does mean Total Destruction...

... mwahahahaha!!! my imp and voidwalker are just collateral damage anyways...


anyways, i was looking in the book about what each class means psychologically...

mine:
warrior - formidable leader
rogue - aggressive player
warlock - in it to win!

... i love my characters...



*cheesy attempt at an evil grin*


so, i guess that says a lot about me..! (and i didn't even look in the book when i create them, i only came across that yesterday... lol...)

[thod]

warrior - Boring punch bag, you stand there while others unload and go "see my dps", then they expect you to chase it to get it off them.
rogue - Spends his time staring at dragon assholes. "Whoa see that backstab, whoa did it again"
warlock - "I will just stand here and cast drain life until you die"

[Motor Jax]

except imma Full Fury Warrior, assassin rogue, and Full Destruct Warlock...

ain't takin' crap from nobody... lol...

[Undead Bonzi]

i have been working on my lock... i had to unlearn his talents so that i can make him Destruction...

some people have said that i should make him affliction, it makes him better at attacks... screw that, i play to kick butt and i'm in it to win... even if it does mean Total Destruction...

... mwahahahaha!!! my imp and voidwalker are just collateral damage anyways...


anyways, i was looking in the book about what each class means psychologically...

mine:
warrior - formidable leader
rogue - aggressive player
warlock - in it to win!

... i love my characters...



*cheesy attempt at an evil grin*


so, i guess that says a lot about me..! (and i didn't even look in the book when i create them, i only came across that yesterday... lol...)

Warriors can be hit and miss. When they know what they are doing and they have the backup of a good healer your party is unstopable.

Warlocks are just good alround. Their DoT's do fantastic damage but they do it in a controlled an even fasion. No damage spikes to take aggro from the tank.

Rouges.....gah, some of the worst and most worthless players I ever ran with were rouges. When they are good they are semi-usefull, but in truth there is nothing a rouge can really do that some other class can't do in their place (and in this I am refering to instance/dungeon raids). In the later game they are leather wearing aggro magnets who take aggro from the tank and then bitch at the healer because for some reason the healer was healing the tank instead of them. Never did like rouges and they tend to be one of the more common classes in the game.


I'll also add my own class that I played:

Mage - water fountain
Paladin - 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 oh shit 2!....1,1,1,,1,1,1,1,1,1 (at least those were my healing keybindings lol)

[thod]

Rouges.....gah, some of the worst and most worthless players I ever ran with were rouges. When they are good they are semi-usefull, but in truth there is nothing a rouge can really do that some other class can't do in their place (and in this I am refering to instance/dungeon raids). In the later game they are leather wearing aggro magnets who take aggro from the tank and then bitch at the healer because for some reason the healer was healing the tank instead of them. Never did like rouges and they tend to be one of the more common classes in the game.


You got to be kidding. There is nothing that can put out the DPS of a rogue.

I was keen, played since beta, top guild vieing for world first kills. Contributing math to EJ and getting posts stickied by blues. Cleared T6 over a year ago. Got bored since had done everything and new content, quit. Now I just annoy people on obsucre psychology forums.

[Nighthawk]

I've played WoW for about 2 years ... possibly more. I took a long break before Buring Crusade came out. I'm a casual player at best ... a few hours here and there. I enjoyed the early and mid-game much more than end-game. I'm just too introverted to group much, and the kids with better reflexes eat my lunch in PvP ... so I'm stuck with green and blue equipment at L70 and not much to do except dailys. I have some lower level characters that I play now, and use the 70 as a money mill for them.

Also bought Age of Conan recently and am playing that for a bit. The jury is still out on that one for me.

[Motor Jax]

i wasn't too impressed with AoC, i'll just stick to WoW... as it is my first online game ever... and i'm enjoying it more and more each day

just yesterday, i tanked for 2 Roques, a Priest, and a Pally at Uldaman... man, it was the best 2 hours ever... and i'm getting the tank thing down... i found out how much easier it is to tank when i have him spec'd for Fury

before i used to get kicked off of teams cause i didn't have him spec'd for anything... but yesterday (ok, i made one tiniest mistake and started mining menthril before taking care of the bad guys)... but they excused it and said no more mining until we take care of them... heh, we joked around about it... it was fun...

and then this morning, i just spec'd my rogue for assassin (plus, i'm gonna just go down the stealth tree some)... but i was having just so much fun, going through everything and taking them out...

[thod]

If you are enjoying tanking spec prot. Prot warriors can still solo pretty good in their AP gear but they don't have to, everyone wants a tank. You will take far less damage and find it much easier to hold agro. Take a look at some of the top end guilds tanks for what talents to take, they will all be the same.

Tanking isn't that hard, its all cycles and using your highest agro moves when they are up since you have infinite rage when mobs are hitting you for 4k. Tanking groups of mobs is harder since you will only have thunderclaps and shouts to keep them on you. So you may have to switch and swing a few times at each to keep them off your healer. If the dps doesn't realize you are not building agro on each they will pull them off, crap dpsers, and you will have to go taunt. Don't worry about dead dps though, your job is to keep them off your healer or its all over.

[Motor Jax]

oh yea, i seen them go after the healer and i would go in for the attack, agro and swingin'.. that's what was fun about it, saving the healer part, i thought anyways...

i felt like a savior-of-the-healer somehow

oh, and i used agro repeatedly until my fingers hurts yesterday, but it was ubercool...

*insert slight nerdy moment*

now, about keeping agro up, that would be in the aggressive tag, right? just spec'd for arms, i mean?

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here are my warlock and rogue:

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[Scorne]

Eek, those talents are ugly. You shouldn't dwell on a single tier, always expand when you can to the next. For example, your warrior is level 41, he could have Bloodthirst (Great instant damage), your rogue could have +5% crit chance and 2/2 in Sinister strike (Means 3 SS in 3 seconds!). Your warlock needs to have the Bane talent 5/5 as you can unload more SBs in a shorter amount of time (Means faster killing!), also get Ruin when you can, insane more damage. Really, affliction is so much more mana efficient and you can grind for longer.

You're new to this game I can tell, but there is much to learn (Taken me 4 years..) but when you commit a talent point into the wrong one, it will mess you over until you respec.

If you want more advice on talents/WoW in general, please ask :)

[Motor Jax]

yea, as i've probably annotated before, i am fairly new at this..

oh... hmmm, i thought i would just concentrate on one area

cause i'm not too focused on making him 'stand there and take it' as much as i want him to just go through a whole crowd of enemies, demolishing everything in his path... i'm just all for the destruction

tanking is really for those that just want to stand there and slug it back and forth... i want a demolisher...

[thod]

I would respec your points into

Cruelty 5/5
Unbridled Wrath 5/5
Commanding Presence 5/5
DW spec 5/5 Enrage 5/5
Sweeping Strikes 1/1
Flurry 5/5
Bloodthirst 1/1

Then pick up Precision, Improved zerker and Rampage, then WM. Then start down the arms tree.

[Motor Jax]

ah, tks... i'll look into that tonight

[Undead Bonzi]

You got to be kidding. There is nothing that can put out the DPS of a rogue.

I was keen, played since beta, top guild vieing for world first kills. Contributing math to EJ and getting posts stickied by blues. Cleared T6 over a year ago. Got bored since had done everything and new content, quit. Now I just annoy people on obsucre psychology forums.

Yah, I know nothing can out DPS a rouge...and many seem so pleased to prove it to the detriment of the group in a dungeon. I have played all major rolls in a dungeon party (healer, tank, dps, crowd controll) and the one class that consistently gets itself into trouble is the rouge. At the higher levels that massive spike DPS that rouges have becomes a liability when they are standing right next to a boss that can two-shot them because they are in leather. Give me a mage, warlock, or hunter any day. All of them have better contributions to a party...a rouge is a solo class in my book.

Though I did out DPS a rouge with my mage once...the guy challenged me and didn't realized I was spec'd as a three minute mage. He told me I could never get aggro from him...he was wrong.

[Henry]

Yah, I know nothing can out DPS a rouge...and many seem so pleased to prove it to the detriment of the group in a dungeon. I have played all major rolls in a dungeon party (healer, tank, dps, crowd controll) and the one class that consistently gets itself into trouble is the rouge. At the higher levels that massive spike DPS that rouges have becomes a liability when they are standing right next to a boss that can two-shot them because they are in leather. Give me a mage, warlock, or hunter any day. All of them have better contributions to a party...a rouge is a solo class in my book.

Though I did out DPS a rouge with my mage once...the guy challenged me and didn't realized I was spec'd as a three minute mage. He told me I could never get aggro from him...he was wrong.

Rogue only has about a 10% base damage advantage over a mage, which is something that can be easily overcome with better gear or just playing better than the rogue.

[NX375]

Get rid of the staff. You should be dual wielding these two.

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[Motor Jax]

I would respec your points into

Cruelty 5/5
Unbridled Wrath 5/5
Commanding Presence 5/5
DW spec 5/5 Enrage 5/5
Sweeping Strikes 1/1
Flurry 5/5
Bloodthirst 1/1

Then pick up Precision, Improved zerker and Rampage, then WM. Then start down the arms tree.

tks for this. i followed through to the tee (and was personally wondering... the numbers matched up perfectly... you knew how many talents i had and everything... that was ubercool)

so, i spec'd him out to the above... it was totally different than when i had all fury specs, but the aggro was magnificent... like, instantly...

Get rid of the staff. You should be dual wielding these two.

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ok, now this is where i'm gonna rant for a little about my experience last night...

so, their was a group from my own guild that were running Scarlet Monastary last night. i came from Dustwallow to Org then caught a zep to Trisfal Glades

when i get there, we run inside and take the left wooden door (whoever has ran SM knows which i'm talking about, the one straight back)... so, we are clearing out that whole area and get to the boss... we take him out...

we get to the next wooden door to the right... right when get to where the boss is in the big door (and we had some hella fights to get there, holy smokes... in fact, one guy commented "holy sh!tf^&k!"... yea, i laughed)... so after some sever skirmishes (we lost our healer on the first skirmish and we all went down, so we decided to eleminate each one very carefully), we get to the boss door when all of a sudden, the other tank goes, "damn, i gotta go.."

talk about upset. one person goes, "you can't leave in the middle of an instance..." i was like "wtf?" but he leaves and we stop... so, we are at a standstill in this instance, trying to find someone from the guild to give us a hand... now, these people all have 70 mains on the guild, but they were running their alts through SM, so we already knew each other...

and it is during this 'resting phase' that i start getting the whispers...
whisper, "you need to get some better gear"
me, "yea, i know"

whisper, "you only have white gear"
me, "yea"

whisper, "i need to run you through some stuff on one of my alts"
me, "that would be cool. sure"

after about the 4th time, i give the comp screen this look like, "wtf? Are you seriously asking me that again...?":
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(i get real sarcastic when i'm being criticized...)


and then it starts...

/party, "hey, Dacur needs some gear"
"if he can use it, let him have it"

so, then i was told to equip this ax that dropped, but i didn't understand the logic of it....

reason: i had a white gear ax in main hand, yes... it was like 26-54 crit damage... and dual-weilding a white gear one-handed sword that was pretty much matched... now, why on earth would i want to equip a green gear double-handed ax with only 24-51 crit damage?... the answer eludes me... i don't understand it...

and then this staff dropped last night... i said, "staff?"
response, "yes..."

so, i won the greed toss

and then i equipped it...

so, right now, that is what i'm stuck with... well, until i can run through some junk...

[Tempyst]

Someone said it earlier, but definitely respec your Warlock for Affliction for leveling. Go 41 into Affliction, then start dropping points into Destruction.

I leveled my first Warlock to 70 as Destruction. I was always ticked off at how much drinking and bandaging I had to do.

I leveled my second Warlock to 70 as Affliction. I was always amazed at how I never even bothered to carry food or water.

That's about the best advice I can give. Your survivability goes thru the roof as Affliction; you can overaggro a group of mobs and survive it by throwing Siphon Life on everything and drain tanking.

But yeah, as you get experienced, everything gets more simplified. I just finished leveling a Priest to 70 (in 7 days /played)... 5th 70. Ugh. I dread WotLK's release, because that just means I have to level 6 toons to 80 (Death Knight, yay).

[Noehelia]

Because green gear have stats (as they are usually referred on game or attributes) on them and white don't.
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for what they are for.
By the way, why don't you wear neck items? They are not that easy to find them as loot, just go and buy them from the Auction House.

[Americano]

Run the SM Armory and Cathedral branches for: Gauntlet's of Divinity (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Aegis of the Scarlet Commander (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Scarlet Leggings (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Raging Berserker's Helm (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), and Scarlet Chestpiece (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

...and Razorfen Downs (RFD) for:
Icemetal Barbute (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Boar Champion's Belt (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Carapace of Tuten'kash (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), and Glutton's Cleaver (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

If you simply run groups for these all day than you'll quickly get geared significantly and probably a level or two as well.

[HackerX]

Yah, I know nothing can out DPS a rouge...and many seem so pleased to prove it to the detriment of the group in a dungeon. I have played all major rolls in a dungeon party (healer, tank, dps, crowd controll) and the one class that consistently gets itself into trouble is the rouge. At the higher levels that massive spike DPS that rouges have becomes a liability when they are standing right next to a boss that can two-shot them because they are in leather. Give me a mage, warlock, or hunter any day. All of them have better contributions to a party...a rouge is a solo class in my book.

Though I did out DPS a rouge with my mage once...the guy challenged me and didn't realized I was spec'd as a three minute mage. He told me I could never get aggro from him...he was wrong.

Rogue is a WoW class
Rouge is a reddish makeup.

I play a rogue, so I really have no idea what you're talking about. I have no issues with aggro unless I want there to be an issue with aggro. Vanish, Salv, or even just plain hold back if needed. Not really an issue for me, since I have half decent tanks to work with. Threat meters are your friend. Bad rogues aren't.

Hell, I've even off tanked bosses when the shit has hit the roof: i.e. Evasion tanking halazzi at ~10% when the off tank died. Scary stuff. I've never seen any other class go to the trouble a rogue will go to, to peel and pull a stray mob of a healer and just sit there and take the punishment until it can be tanked. Every other dps class just sits there and cries while the raid wipes.

[Undead Bonzi]

Rogue is a WoW class
Rouge is a reddish makeup.

I play a rogue, so I really have no idea what you're talking about. I have no issues with aggro unless I want there to be an issue with aggro. Vanish, Salv, or even just plain hold back if needed. Not really an issue for me, since I have half decent tanks to work with. Threat meters are your friend. Bad rogues aren't.

Hell, I've even off tanked bosses when the shit has hit the roof: i.e. Evasion tanking halazzi at ~10% when the off tank died. Scary stuff. I've never seen any other class go to the trouble a rogue will go to, to peel and pull a stray mob of a healer and just sit there and take the punishment until it can be tanked. Every other dps class just sits there and cries while the raid wipes.

That is why you should never hit the 'change all' button when spell checking lol.

If a rogue is played smart they are just as good as other classes. My problem is that the rogue class seems to hold the greatest attraction to idiots, griefers and new players.

Your point about Healer aggro:

#1. A good Hunter will ice trap or sic their pet with growl on or use their aggro shot.

#2. A good mage will frost nova or sheep the stray untill the tank can come.

#3. A good lock can sick its pet (void can taunt, sucubi can seduce) or in god awful conditions can use fear...though this usually wipes the raid, it just delays the process.

All of the above mentioned options put no extra strain on the healer, where as if a rogue peels the stray the healer now has to take care of a tank and a leather wearing rogue. The only useful team ability a rogue brings to a dungeon raid is improved sap. Everything else can be done by another class that has a greater number of useful roles outside of just DPS.

[Motor Jax]

Because green gear have stats (as they are usually referred on game or attributes) on them and white don't.
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for what they are for.
By the way, why don't you wear neck items? They are not that easy to find them as loot, just go and buy them from the Auction House.

yea, i don't hang out that much at the AH





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Because green gear have stats (as they are usually referred on game or attributes) on them and white don't.
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for what they are for.
By the way, why don't you wear neck items? They are not that easy to find them as loot, just go and buy them from the Auction House.

yea, i don't hang out that much at the AH

oh, and i got some better weapons since there were some members on my guild that wanted to run SM... and we finished all those quests...

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and i'll check out the AH today...

[SShack]

My guild rogue-tanked one of the bosses on Hyjal Summit. Not being a raider, I don't recall which one. Dodge and parry made it happen, so no doubt it was a purely physical damage boss.

[Tempyst]

My guild rogue-tanked one of the bosses on Hyjal Summit. Not being a raider, I don't recall which one. Dodge and parry made it happen, so no doubt it was a purely physical damage boss.

Some guilds do this on Mother Shahraz (sp?) in Black Temple. There is a guild on my server that is attempting to gear up a Rogue for that sole purpose. I think he's using all agility and defense gems... maybe just all agility, not entirely sure. But yeah, you just need, I think, 102.4% dodge/parry/miss. I know it's 102.4% dodge/block/parry/miss to be uncrushable, pretty sure if you take block out of there, you'll just never get hit.

One of the Rogues in my guild offered to do it, but we didn't want to waste all the Crimson Spinels on gearing him like that. We just have a Druid MT it and have our Warrior tanks take the saber lashes... since our Warrior MT was getting his face melted quite often.

[HackerX]

Your point about Healer aggro:

#1. A good Hunter will ice trap or sic their pet with growl on or use their aggro shot.

#2. A good mage will frost nova or sheep the stray untill the tank can come.

#3. A good lock can sick its pet (void can taunt, sucubi can seduce) or in god awful conditions can use fear...though this usually wipes the raid, it just delays the process.



None of which work on un CC'able mobs.



All of the above mentioned options put no extra strain on the healer, where as if a rogue peels the stray the healer now has to take care of a tank and a leather wearing rogue. The only useful team ability a rogue brings to a dungeon raid is improved sap. Everything else can be done by another class that has a greater number of useful roles outside of just DPS.

I don't get hit much. Dodge Dodge Dodge Dodge. That's without popping evasion. I'm not even close to being geared for it like those dedicated dodge tanks. Physical damage from trash is laughable. Imp Sap is useless in 99% of the dungeon's I raid yet I still get brought? I wonder why...

[Henry]

Some guilds do this on Mother Shahraz (sp?) in Black Temple. There is a guild on my server that is attempting to gear up a Rogue for that sole purpose. I think he's using all agility and defense gems... maybe just all agility, not entirely sure. But yeah, you just need, I think, 102.4% dodge/parry/miss. I know it's 102.4% dodge/block/parry/miss to be uncrushable, pretty sure if you take block out of there, you'll just never get hit.

Its stacking ag. You'll lose a lot of the value in defense rating because you can't block. I believe both druids in kitty and rogues can become unhittable by just stacking ag with gems/enchants/and kara/heroic gear.

[Undead Bonzi]

None of which work on un CC'able mobs.




I don't get hit much. Dodge Dodge Dodge Dodge. That's without popping evasion. I'm not even close to being geared for it like those dedicated dodge tanks. Physical damage from trash is laughable. Imp Sap is useless in 99% of the dungeon's I raid yet I still get brought? I wonder why...

How many mobs are ONLY affected by DPS and not the taunt of a void walker or a hunters pet? Typically it is not mobs that are immune to every sort of aggro or crowd control except DPS, it is bosses...in which case the stray mob scenario becomes moot.


And you continue to ignore where I pointed out that a when well played rogues are fine. Stop acting like I'm presonally attacking you or your play style, every class has its short comings, that is why it takes a whole party of different classes to run a dunegon. As a mage there are things I am good at and things I am not good at. I admit to all of it and don't pretend my class is the greatest thing ever. Same with my Paladin or my Warrior or my Hunter. They all have weaknesses and I don't get too riled up when someone points those things out.


I'll ask you a question that might get to the heart of the matter and better demonstrait the point I am making about rogues: When forming a group how often do you hear people say 'need a rogue'? Granted I have not played WoW for about a year but if memory serves me right I had never been in a party where having a rogue was a nessesity or even a great desire. There are very few roles that can ONLY be filled by a rogue, it won't kill you to admit that. As a mage I have been asked along specifically for the bennefits I bring to the group outside of just DPS (and to be honest just as often ignored because the party is already full up on DPS)...how often does that happen for a rogue? I'm sure it does, but I'm also sure that such cases are the rare exception rather than the rule. When WoW made the rogue you can see it was primarily a solo DPS and PvP style class they had in mind. EVERY other class I can think of has party buffing or boosting abilities...does the rogue?

My opinions on rogues come only from my own experiences with them in my party. As a healer I would always prefer a Mage (for the Int buff and a couple other spells) or a Warlock (for the Imp buff or offtanking of a void) or a hunter for the offtanking pet and ice traps + party wide auras. Those three classes were also usually able to take care of themselves without distracting me from focus healing the tank. Rogues usually ended up being a healing liability though there were a few rogues who were really handy and good to play with. When I play any other job but healer or tank I don't really care if there is a rogue in the party or not, but I do know when I healed I was always shy of having a rogue along over other classes.

[Motor Jax]

i agree, the rogue is a solo player

i was a night elf rogue when i first started

i now have a lvl 19 undead rogue... i like the rogue cause it kinda reminds me of me...


anyways, after 6-7 hours yesterday of doing ONE quest, i have gained a sword unparalleled by anything else i have wielded...

...check out my profile, this sword rocks!

[Americano]

You should have picked the axe and specced mortal strike if you're no longer dual wielding.

[Motor Jax]

not paying anymore gold for respec'ing, no offense

i plan on getting better dual-wield weapons again anyways...

its just nice to have for now...

[HackerX]

EVERY other class I can think of has party buffing or boosting abilities...does the rogue?


Of course not, we just bring the pew pew without the QQ.

I know what you're getting at. I know you're wrong, but if you think that's the sucessful way to run a raid, the best of luck to you! lol.

[Motor Jax]

when i ran uldaman last week with 2 rogues, they definitely knew what they were doing... talk about skillz... i was just the tank that sat back and watched them work under stealth... that was cool...

[Noehelia]

yea, i don't hang out that much at the AH



Well, you should for many reasons. By the way, there is a nice neck item for your level that you get it as a quest reward:
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[Tempyst]

Of course not, we just bring the pew pew without the QQ.

I know what you're getting at. I know you're wrong, but if you think that's the sucessful way to run a raid, the best of luck to you! lol.

How's that stacked melee group go? Rogue, Rogue, Rogue, Enhance Shaman, Fury Warrior?

We used to always run that back when I ran a guild. The raiding guild I'm in now runs Rogue, Rogue, Feral Druid, Enhance Shaman, Fury Warrior. I guess the 5% crit is nice... since we lack Rogues. RoS is a real pain without them to take the Enrage.

I also have a huge complaint about the "caster" group. Fire Mage, Fire Mage, Ele Shaman, Shadow Priest, Balance Druid.

Meanwhile, the other "caster" group is... Resto Shaman, Destro Warlock, Destro Warlock, Destro Warlock, Destro Warlock. We usually stand together for Bloodlusts and the wall of Shadowbolts is rather hilarious.

[Undead Bonzi]

Of course not, we just bring the pew pew without the QQ.

I know what you're getting at. I know you're wrong, but if you think that's the sucessful way to run a raid, the best of luck to you! lol.


Your ability to quote ONE scentence of a very long post and play gotcha! while ignoring everything else is impressive. I bow to your greatness and the fact that rogues are the greatest class and that the game should be renamed World of Roguecraft because none of the other classes serve a needed role.

I'll stop wasting my time now, besides if I keep talking about WoW the old itch to play will come back and I really don't want to waste time going down that road again.

[Motor Jax]

Well, you should for many reasons. By the way, there is a nice neck item for your level that you get it as a quest reward:
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oh, awesome... tks

[Motor Jax]

ok, i am getting A LOT better at this now


(hint -- check out my awesome profile ^_^)




lvl 46 and climbing... and because i'm learning from my warrior, it has also helped me spec and respec my rogue and warlock...

[L1qw1d]

as a rog, I've only had an aggo issue ONCE since I began raiding- to get my shoulders in HMGT. Vellaxus- if you drop the % of health TOO quickly, the sparks he spawns just overtakes you, esp. when he overloads. Personally, I had to go combat til BT.okie fine- so straight out DPS. np. yknow how the tank cries about not hitting more than the main target esp w, our Blade Flurry? one word: Blind. If a Warr tank can't hold 1? go make a priest. If a Pali tank or a Druid can't hold about 3 equally? go make a priest.

It will be safer for you, since thats what you're looking for.

[Motor Jax]

i've been working heavily on my lock and warrior (mentioned above)

not so much my rogue, but he is decent

i am also getting a lot better with the game

and started a blood elf priest just the other day...

[Henry]

as a rog, I've only had an aggo issue ONCE since I began raiding- to get my shoulders in HMGT. Vellaxus- if you drop the % of health TOO quickly, the sparks he spawns just overtakes you, esp. when he overloads.

The sparks are only a problem for nub groups. A single frost mage with over 8 k health can handle all of the adds on heroic, and a decent rogue should be able to handle at least 3 sets.

And you need burst DPS when he "overloads" because he does nasty continuous DPS until you kill him at that point, not a debuff that wears off like the one you get from killing the adds. Its slow-n-steady 100-25%, but from then on in its burst DPS.

If a Pali tank or a Druid can't hold about 3 equally? go make a priest.

Multi target tanking as a druid is extremely difficult since the lascerate nerf. Most druid tanks report that 10 and 25 man instances are considerably easier than heroics since they don't have to hold multiple targets while still keeping up with the mindless meter-chasers. Swipe's base damage is a paltry 125ish to 3 targets - low damage, and only 3 targets - and is totally ineffective in AOE situations.

If DPS is pulling aggro, its the DPS' fault. Tank's job is to protect the healer first as he can't slow down, and if its a choice between DPS and healer its an easy choice.

[Aerynna]

Wow lol i only joined yesterday so funny that my first post should be on world of warcraft , i have a 70 mage so not too sure about warriors but yeh id def go fury at least to level then you can always change when you hit 70 :)
Mining certainly makes alot of money and whatever you do at least not till wotlk comes out stear clear of enchanting im probably the poorest mage after taking tailoring/enchanting its just soooooo expensive to level .
But have to laugh as i too struggle with the abbreviations that people use i started playing round same time as you and im still struggling with it all , i always end up like eh where and what is that then lol anyway good luck :)

[Henry]

Wow lol i only joined yesterday so funny that my first post should be on world of warcraft , i have a 70 mage so not too sure about warriors but yeh id def go fury at least to level then you can always change when you hit 70 :)
Mining certainly makes alot of money and whatever you do at least not till wotlk comes out stear clear of enchanting im probably the poorest mage after taking tailoring/enchanting its just soooooo expensive to level .
But have to laugh as i too struggle with the abbreviations that people use i started playing round same time as you and im still struggling with it all , i always end up like eh where and what is that then lol anyway good luck :)

You can only make money tailoring selling primal mooncloth made with the specialty and the bags you can make with it. Everything else gets hammered and should only be used for the BoP epics to get you through Kara/Gruuls/Mags.

Mining does OK, but it won't be a huge money-maker unless you get an epic flyer and tool around Nagrand all day.

Enchanting is a huge sink for +12 spell damage to rings. IMO its a waste. Engineering for the Black Temple quality BoPs is best for a mage, IMO.

I make most of my money playing the AH, mostly by buying patterns at deep discounts (got the boots of blasting pattern for 150g, lol, and resold for 8x's that) and then reselling in trade for a much higher value.

[Aerynna]

You can only make money tailoring selling primal mooncloth made with the specialty and the bags you can make with it. Everything else gets hammered and should only be used for the BoP epics to get you through Kara/Gruuls/Mags.

Mining does OK, but it won't be a huge money-maker unless you get an epic flyer and tool around Nagrand all day.

Enchanting is a huge sink for +12 spell damage to rings. IMO its a waste. Engineering for the Black Temple quality BoPs is best for a mage, IMO.

I make most of my money playing the AH, mostly by buying patterns at deep discounts (got the boots of blasting pattern for 150g, lol, and resold for 8x's that) and then reselling in trade for a much higher value.
Your so right i really really regret taking them my only hope now is the enchanting scrolls which are said to come with the next expansion , allthough my tailoring is now at 372 i havent yet bothered to make any of the cloth purples (tho will soon make the boots) as i have the full pvp set .
And even thats gonna be worthless soon too *sniffs*

[Henry]

Your so right i really really regret taking them my only hope now is the enchanting scrolls which are said to come with the next expansion , allthough my tailoring is now at 372 i havent yet bothered to make any of the cloth purples (tho will soon make the boots) as i have the full pvp set .
And even thats gonna be worthless soon too *sniffs*

If you haven't made any of the cloth purples, I wouldn't make them now unless you want to do serious raiding between now and the X-Pac. Even S1 is better than the crafteds for leveling.

You can level all the way to 375 tailoring by making the Imbued Netherweave Robe. The mats are approximately 30-35g per robe, and then you can DE the robe for a large prismatic. If you're already an enchanter, its a great way to go.

[Aerynna]

If you haven't made any of the cloth purples, I wouldn't make them now unless you want to do serious raiding between now and the X-Pac. Even S1 is better than the crafteds for leveling.

You can level all the way to 375 tailoring by making the Imbued Netherweave Robe. The mats are approximately 30-35g per robe, and then you can DE the robe for a large prismatic. If you're already an enchanter, its a great way to go.

Yeh thats kinda what im thinking and ive also been doing the arena lately and some of our team has bought stuff but im kinda thinking hmm maybe thats not such a good idea its only a month and that to will be pointless lol so think il save and wait :D

[Henry]

Yeh thats kinda what im thinking and ive also been doing the arena lately and some of our team has bought stuff but im kinda thinking hmm maybe thats not such a good idea its only a month and that to will be pointless lol so think il save and wait :D

A lot of people are (sensibly) saving honor/arena points/gold right now for the xpac, even though honor and arena may be reset or have a special "80 only" category for each (particularly likely for arena points).