I Went to Counseling for my Depression and...

[Hawkx]

Well found out that I do indeed have depression along with a higher functioning mental disorder. She told me I *might* have Schizotypal personality disorder or Schizoid personality disorder or OCD(along with OCPD) or Asperger syndrome. All of these disorders are Differential diagnosis, meaning that they have similar symptoms. Still have to meet up with an expert psychologist to know for certain what I have. As far as I can see its most likely that I have Asperger and OCD.

I had a nervous breakdown and so I decided to go to the counseling session, it felt like you have an electric jolts throughout your body and its actually drug withdrawal (my psychologist said so), even though I don't take drugs it led to my suspicion of serotonin levels dropping (dramatically low).

I think I will start on anti depressants this Thursday, either way its all very fascinating to me because I truly do think differently than my peers (reached that conclusion because people I talk to tell me I over analyze everything).

By the way, what happens to my MBTI of INTJ?

Edit:
In 2011, Scientific American published an article calling Schizotypal Personality Disorder part of the "big six" phycological issues associated with at least some political dictators such as Hitler and Kim Jong-il. The entire constellation consists of sadistic, antisocial, paranoid, narcissistic, schizoid, and schizotypal complexes.
hmmmmm.... I should become a politician!

[benr3600]

Wow, they diagnosed you with ALL of that? Seems a little excessive. I honestly don't believe I know anybody with nearly that many disorders simultaneously. I mean schizotypal, Asperger's, and schizoid, in the same person, at the same time? Is this an actual psychologist that came up with this?

[AnaK]

You're gonna be a gold mine for that counselor!! There's profit in dem dere mental illnesses!!!

(In other words, I'm suspicious.)

Take a good multi-vitamin and krill oil for the Omega-3's. Get lots of minerals and protein. Take vitamin D-3 or get natural sunlight. Come back after six months of eating right.

[Hawkx]

Wow, they diagnosed you with ALL of that? Seems a little excessive. I honestly don't believe I know anybody with nearly that many disorders simultaneously. I mean schizotypal, Asperger's, and schizoid, in the same person, at the same time? Is this an actual psychologist that came up with this?

Nope but believes I have one of them, either way I got rescheduled to see an expert psychologist. I highly doubt the fact I have Schizotypal and schizoid because I have excellent abilities in remembering things and its said that they typically have bad memories. So I suspect a high probability that its either OCD or Asperger's or both.

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You're gonna be a gold mine for that counselor!! There's profit in dem dere mental illnesses!!!

(In other words, I'm suspicious.)

Take a good multi-vitamin and krill oil for the Omega-3's. Get lots of minerals and protein. Take vitamin D-3 or get natural sunlight. Come back after six months of eating right.

Plus this is my school psychology center...

[ManWithNoName]

Yeah, some of those personality disorders seem like they would almost conflict with each other or something. I'm not a professional by any means but getting a second opinion I don't think would hurt.

Also congratulations in seeking help doing something like that is never easy.

[Arcanist]

Well, glad to hear you're on the path to drug-induced brain-disabled normalcy. Hopefully, it will give you the strength to really tackle your problems in the near future. All the best.

[Hawkx]

Well, glad to hear you're on the path to drug-induced brain-disabled normalcy. Hopefully, it will give you the strength to really tackle your problems in the near future. All the best.

I truthfully doubt that my brain will become normal while on anti-depressants, intelligence wise.

[Arcanist]

No, but now you'll "fit in" and be just like everyone else.

[Hawkx]

No, but now you'll "fit in" and be just like everyone else.

Ehhh I doubt it, I'll most likely continue to examine and analyze everything. If not then I could always go off.

[GSOgymrat]

I'm very sorry you are going through such a difficult time. I know it is hard to do but try not to focus on all these diagnosis and just work on the symptoms that are making your life unmanageable. A diagnosis is really just a name for a set of symptoms so mental health experts can communicate effectively; every person is different. It takes guts to address problems like you describe. I'm glad you are getting professional help and hope things improve soon.

Ford

[spect]

I had a nervous breakdown, it felt like a electricity running though your body and its actually drug withdrawal, even though I don't take drugs it led to my suspicion of serotonin levels dropping (dramatically low).

sorry, thats a tough thing to find out even NOT during the hollidays. sheesh... thats gotta take you out of the spirit of things. hope you're dealing well.

its common to worry, but i wouldnt be too concerned, until you go through the analysis phase with psychologist its mostly conjecture. although hearing that you might have suffered a breakdown is concerning, i guess i didnt understand the allusion to electricity because thats how people usually describe being energized, state of shock, or neurosis... not being depressed. i guess thats usually not how serotonin withdraw is described. im not doubting you, that was just something new to me.

[ManWithNoName]

No, but now you'll "fit in" and be just like everyone else.

Just because your different, doesn't mean you're useful or a decent human being.

[Hawkx]

sorry, thats a tough thing to find out even NOT during the hollidays. sheesh... thats gotta take you out of the spirit of things. hope you're dealing well.

its common to worry, but i wouldnt be too concerned, until you go through the analysis phase with psychologist its mostly conjecture. although hearing that you might have suffered a breakdown is concerning, i guess i didnt understand the allusion to electricity because thats how people usually describe being energized, state of shock, or neurosis... not being depressed. i guess thats usually not how serotonin withdraw is described. im not doubting you, that was just something new to me.

Blah, I lived with depression for a long time. Plus, I always I had the need to perfect everything that I kinda drove myself to mental insanity. Anyway, the electricity is actually like jolts of electricity hitting you all over your body probably neurosis. Thus my reasoning that its likely to be OCD, plus my inability to stop analyzing everything is probably from asperger.

[Arcanist]

Just because your different, doesn't mean you're useful or a decent human being.

Useful? To who?

I suggest the OP seek a Jungian analyst. The hack he's seeing is already trying to slot him into various disorders and drug him into oblivion. Therapy should not be an authoritarian or controlling experience.

[benr3600]

Plus this is my school psychology center...

Here's a hint: I went to see my university psychologist at the health center for depression, once. ONCE.

[Zsych]

Don't take it too seriously. Just work on feeling better.

As for INTJ - its a preference - a way of looking at the world... maybe as you advance, you'll develop some other way based on whatever is working best for you, or maybe you'll continue using this one.

[Hawkx]

Don't take it too seriously. Just work on feeling better.

As for INTJ - its a preference - a way of looking at the world... maybe as you advance, you'll develop some other way based on whatever is working best for you, or maybe you'll continue using this one.

I really wonder if it really has to do with my typology, I mean most of the symptoms in these disorders are basically fantasy, over analyzing things, and trying to be perfect...
Either way I will try to hold off on any pills that interfere with the mind.

As far as I can tell the only way to find out is going back... lets see what the expert has to say...

[spect]

Blah, I lived with depression for a long time. Plus, I always I had the need to perfect everything that I kinda drove myself to mental insanity. Anyway, the electricity is actually like jolts of electricity hitting you all over your body probably neurosis. Thus my reasoning that its likely to be OCD, plus my inability to stop analyzing everything is probably from asperger.

I really wonder if it really has to do with my typology, I mean most of the symptoms in these disorders are basically fantasy, over analyzing things, and trying to be perfect...
Either way I will try to hold off on any pills that interfere with the mind.

you know thats kinda interesting, because prolonged depression can create a sense of being lost combined with lowering self-esteem. i think both of those combined can create a sense of confusion, among other things. so i didnt think much about how that could effect an intj, just a little here and there. i guess analyzing things and trying to make sense of it just might be a stronger tendency than normal, even more so if there is a stronger sense of resulting confusion.

hmm... oh i dont know.

[Hawkx]

you know thats kinda interesting, because prolonged depression can create a sense of being lost combined with lowering self-esteem. i think both of those combined can create a sense of confusion, among other things. so i didnt think much about how that could effect an intj, just a little here and there. i guess analyzing things and trying to make sense of it just might be a stronger tendency than normal, even more so if there is a stronger sense of resulting confusion.

hmm... oh i dont know.

I hate the uncertainty that you called "being lost". I always hated about not knowing the future or not having a plan or being a failure. Probably why I relapsed into depression in the first place, again OCPD.

[spect]

i have no idea, but instead of having each of those conditions (ocpd and such) i think you might be on to something about your personality traits manifesting the issues. so i guess it might mean not having those disorders, just some of the traits that match them with being an intj.

im not sure how many psychologists use mbti to note that, think about asking them? because going into treatment for all of those just seems like overkill if its true. it will still help, but that would be a long process and take a lot of work when something more precise and direct would be more effective.

once again i dont know, im far from being a professional, and would never want to interfere with your treatment.

[Distance]

Getting a second opinion is an excellent idea but if you've had a nervous breakdown that manifested in physical sensations, you need help.

Don't talk yourself out of using medication if both first and second opinions agree. Also, make sure that whomever you're seeing has expertise in the areas of psychiatric treatment that you need.

[master j]

disorder and disease are within all of us. good on you for treating yourself. i know i could use a psychologist, but i can probably get along without one.

[Arcanist]

Don't you think that "diagnosis" is a problem after one, probably short, session? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I got the impression the OP went to one session.

It's outrageous. They're so quick to medicate people. I suggest the OP actually do some research on the medication before actually taking it? Shouldn't he have all available information before making the choice?

[mieu]

Continue with therapy, but I strongly suggest that you get a second opinion. You can always come down off of whatever drugs the first doctor puts you on and start a new regimen.

[k2sk8k2]

Yea they throw every problem in the book out there so you start thinking.....Am I? then normal daily functions an thoughts will make you think...I think I AM....ending with you turning into more of a nut job after than before..

All thanks to some man/woman not understanding cognitive functioning just trying to make a new patient/client spend more $$$.


Also MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED DRUGS FOR DEPRESSION OR OCD

Try a hobby or a hooker your depression will go away after you just realize YOUR FREAKING BORED!! .. and life today PUTS YOU DOWN = ARTIFICIAL DEPRESSION.

Now that is depressing!


Edit: SMOKE WEED natural anti-depressant shit is probably cheaper and more beneficial than any SUPER PILL you will ever swallow

[BuShinJu]

I second the lifestyle option.

What helped me was realising that biology, social and environmental factors play a BIG part in depression.

Biology: Old chinese proverb say medicate with food, your cook is your best doctor, eat healthy, cut our refined foods, sugars, bad fats. Exercise everyday if you can, your body will reward you with yummy endorphins, free drugs!

Social: William Gibson says 'before you diagnose yourself with depression make sure you aren't hanging around assholes'. Assholes will make you depressed, no shit. There are LOTS of nice people out there, meet them all, they will like you.

Environmental: In a shitty environment? get out of it, go to somewhere better. Can't do that at the moment? reduce your time in that environment until you can get out. Increase your time in a better environment. I personally like the outdoors, the beach, the forest. I also like clubs with like minded people, art class, sport lessons.

My friend was telling me this story just last night. They did an experiment back in the day. They put rats in a little cage and gave them the option of plain water and opium water. The majority of the rats took the opium water.

Then they made a rat utopia in the bottom of a basement. All sorts of fun things for the rats to do, run around in tunnels, food, other rats to interact with, an ideal environment. They gave them the option of plain water and opium water. Apparently the percentage of opium water users dropped to a normal social distribution.

This type of thing is a very complex issue and as such needs a MULTI prong solution, of which medication and counselling are a couple of arms.

All the best, thanks for the reminder i need to do a few things too :-)

[mllebrie]

Wow, that seems like an awful lot of diagnoses. Yeah, I'd be suspicious. I'd try to make some behavioral changes like some others here have suggested. Those tend to work better for some illnesses than meds do, really.

[Hawkx]

Wow, that seems like an awful lot of diagnoses. Yeah, I'd be suspicious. I'd try to make some behavioral changes like some others here have suggested. Those tend to work better for some illnesses than meds do, really.

Interesting, I researched more about Aspergers and it isn't abnormal to develop schizotypal when under stress. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"What can be said about the risk of developing psychosis or Schizophrenia?

Several percent of those with Asperger's Disorder become psychotic or schizophrenic later on, and with more refined diagnostic criteria this percentage may turn out to be somewhat higher. Although rare, a psychotic development is therewith several times more likely in these persons than in the general population. A general observation in psychiatry is that lower intelligence significantly increases the risk of actually becoming schizophrenic in people thus disposed; higher intelligence appears to have a protective effect.

It is tempting to speculate as to which other factors in life may contribute to a psychotic development. I believe that both high levels of stress and the use of certain recreational drugs may cause psychosis in Aspergoid persons. In particular it concerns stress in relation to dealing with people (especially groups), and drugs of the hallucinogenic kind, including marihuana and hashish (the latter two are nowadays also called "cannabis").

Also, those Aspergoid persons who have marked schizotypal features may be considered chronically psychotic to begin with. Schizotypal personality is, of the "Cluster A" Personality Disorders, that which is closest to Schizophrenia, and some consider it an actual form thereof and suggest it be moved the category with Schizophrenias."

All of these facts really do point out that I have aspergers.

[leftylewis]

i hope to be evaluated for whatever it is soon. i have been taking wellbutrin for about 6 months now for depression, but i need to know more about what's wrong with me.

i'm concerned because although i feel better than i have in the past, my behavior has gotten worse in some ways (see my first post if you must, TLDR version: i got overly intoxicated and was violent).

is it possible for my general outlook to have improved while my subconscious has gotten more turbulent and unhealthy? or is Fernet simply unfit for human consumption??? this is a frightening possibility that makes me feel out of control (the first, not the 2nd...i think i'm going to be a shirley temple man for a while)

[pawnxing]

i hope to be evaluated for whatever it is soon. i have been taking wellbutrin for about 6 months now for depression, but i need to know more about what's wrong with me.

i'm concerned because although i feel better than i have in the past, my behavior has gotten worse in some ways (see my first post if you must, TLDR version: i got overly intoxicated and was violent).

is it possible for my general outlook to have improved while my subconscious has gotten more turbulent and unhealthy? or is Fernet simply unfit for human consumption??? this is a frightening possibility that makes me feel out of control (the first, not the 2nd...i think i'm going to be a shirley temple man for a while)

I thought alcohol was off limits while on wellbutrin, and that when mixed could cause seizures. I could be wrong though.

[thod]

I am reminded of those 'Free tests' that the Scientologists offer. There is invariably multiple problems with you that can only be fixed by paying for their courses. Self-acceptance is better than any drug.