Aesthetics of Combat

[TheLastMohican]

Who else has a special appreciation for the artistry of strategic hand-to-hand combat?

A weird topic, perhaps. It came to mind while reading the recently active martial arts thread. Is it possible that the usually somewhat contradictory INTJ traits combine favorably for fight choreography? I am thinking of the general strategist approach, put together with the occasional artistic inclinations stemming from Ni. Efficiency and aesthetic appeal are not normally related, but in martial arts they are very closely tied.

Is anyone else interested in this area?

[Bioplasmoid]

Yes. It is Interesting!

Ok sorry, a bit off-topic but...If only there was a Martial-Arts/MMA/Self Defense/Combat school or system that looked for individual advantages instead of disadvantages (eg MBTI, Physical Build, Body Chemistry,Genetics,Age,Gender,Health,etc.) and then tailored the training to suit the specifics of the individual. Now that would be popular and possibly very effective. Does anyone know of such a system philosophy?

[bucolic_]

Yes, I am, although I don't like your use of the word 'choreography.' ;) A well executed maneuver (in many different situations, whether in self-defense, or sport) is beautiful to see.

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*fights back tears*

[Homini Lupus]

I don't think sparring is so strategical. It's technical and tactical at times, and like war it is a social interaction, like any other. I think introverts have still a slight disadvantage, even if not so evident and not so difficult to overcome. They also have an advantage: they often are more used to fear, since being introvert means dealing with fear very often. I'm not phisically very good and dexterous so, even if I understand what the opponent is going to do, it is still difficult to me to react properly. Also, Te is not a very good way of dealing with an opponent since fighting is more instinctive. Nevertheless I go on sparring, even if my results are not outstanding it develops me and my self confidence and my social skills. Why social skills? because sparring is very similar to talking to somebody, and the first thing you understand when sparring is that your opponent fears you as much as you fear him.

[TheLastMohican]

Ok sorry, a bit off-topic but...If only there was a Martial-Arts/MMA/Self Defense/Combat school or system that looked for individual advantages instead of disadvantages (eg MBTI, Physical Build, Body Chemistry,Genetics,Age,Gender,Health,etc.) and then tailored the training to suit the specifics of the individual. Now that would be popular and possibly very effective. Does anyone know of such a system philosophy?

I don't know about that. It seems most systems are designed to work around the weaknesses rather than exploit the strengths. One like you describe would be nice to have.

Yes, I am, although I don't like your use of the word 'choreography.' ;)

Why?
I don't only mean choreography; live sparring applies too.

A well executed maneuver (in many different situations, whether in self-defense, or sport) is beautiful to see.

*fights back tears*

*Hands buc a tissue box* How about this (yes, with swords, but it still counts)?
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...And this?
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I don't think sparring is so strategical. It's technical and tactical at times, and like war it is a social interaction, like any other. I think introverts have still a slight disadvantage, even if not so evident and not so difficult to overcome. They also have an advantage: they often are more used to fear, since being introvert means dealing with fear very often. I'm not phisically very good and dexterous so, even if I understand what the opponent is going to do, it is still difficult to me to react properly. Also, Te is not a very good way of dealing with an opponent since fighting is more instinctive. Nevertheless I go on sparring, even if my results are not outstanding it develops me and my self confidence and my social skills. Why social skills? because sparring is very similar to talking to somebody, and the first thing you understand when sparring is that your opponent fears you as much as you fear him.

So perhaps INTJ's are at a disadvantage in sparring; what about choreography? In that case you do not have to rely on instinct as much. It is then more strategic.
(Incidentally, I did well in sparring. :blank:)

[bucolic_]

Why?
I don't only mean choreography; live sparring applies too.


Yeah, I figured you meant sparring and so on as well. Honestly though, I said that about choreography, because I've never enjoyed choreographed fights/martial arts. They're so far removed from reality, and even though I've always been pretty good at suspending disbelief, I can never do it with martial arts movies. I've always found that seeing a nice move executed in a live situation much more satisfying than a choreographed mega-fight.

Even though I haven't been involved in forms since I was about 10, I do like individual forms, but think (from a practitioners point of view) that they should never take precedence over sparring.


*Hands buc a tissue box* How about this (yes, with swords, but it still counts)?
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I can understand why someone would like it, and I generally like Jackie Chan more than most other martial arts actors, but those kinds of thing really aren't my cup of tea 90% of the time.. Actually, my favorite would have to be Bruce Lee, but that's mainly because of his ideas about fighting, even his ability is probably a little exaggerated.


...And this?
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Nice, although I prefer Story of Ricky :D
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[Saint]

I prefer the aesthetics of strategy. A more orchestral sound.

[Pirate1650]

Indeed, I love the martial arts and just got my black belt after taking it for five years.

My favorite movie guy is Tony Jaa, definitly look him up in Ong-Bak and Protector, there is also a new Thai movie coming out by the same director called Chocolate, also looks amazing!

[Josh]

I as well have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, to me hand to hand combat is by far the most pure sport there is.