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AngryGroceries

07-14-2011, 12:25 PM

clumsywordsmith

07-14-2011, 03:44 PM

You missed a decent chunk of drugs there -- amphetamines, opiates aside from heroin, more "fringe" stuff like DXM and DMT and Salvia and so on and so forth.

Alright, as for stuff I've noticed (and do take note, this is for the most part anecdotal -- I pay attention to my drugs and what they do to me, and look for changes subtle or otherwise -- but there's no science involved.)

Alcohol -- when I'm drinking it with any amount of regularity, I tend to find my mind in a constant sort of fog, as though I'm never quite able to attain the same level of cognitive ability that I could before the alcohol became a constant part of my system. Considering the small amount of alcohol that I would consider "regular" -- perhaps no more than two dozen drinks spaced between three nights of the week -- I wouldn't like to think what state of mind I'd be in drinking as much as many of my coworkers/acquaintances. I don't drink too much -- I'm afraid of becoming addicted, as it runs on both sides of the family.

Tobacco (isn't nicotine actually the drug here?) -- Anyway, it clogs my throat and makes me wheeze if I smoke too much, gives me acne breakouts and generally makes me feel like crap. Goes hand in hand with drinking and most any other drug. I've never managed to become addicted, though I've never smoked more than two packs a week. Cognitive effects? Meh, it's just tobacco. You might feel a bit lightheaded after the first cigarette had in a while, but other than that, nothing.

Marijuana -- has no real noticeable long-term sort of effect until it's become a regular habit, and I did not notice anything definitive until I quit entirely for something like six months straight; the change is so gradual that I didn't notice until stopping all at once, at which point everything I'd lost came back in an instant. Though, to be honest, I didn't really lose much. I most noticed a difficulty in both having and recalling my dreams, as well as a general haziness of memory. I was never a hardcore smoker, but I was generally getting pretty stoned an average of six days a week before college and four during college, and still pulled something like a 3.8 in my school's honours college. Would not smoking have made the .2 difference? Doubtful, though I can't imagine my general tendency for laziness was much helped by the weed.

As for cognitive ability while high? In general, it set me back a bit in all areas; I never did schoolwork while high, simply because it would have been such a drag. Arguing with roommates was no more difficult than usual, though I always tended to dominate any discussion or debate from the beginning. It is simply in attempting more difficult or complex tasks that I really would notice the deficiency.

Ecstasy/MDMA -- I haven't done it enough to gauge long term cognitive effects, in the short term it left my mind completely blown for the duration of the high, and afterward a pleasant sort of afterglow, mixed with a feeling of melancholy for the wonderful point my mind was at, and where I found it afterward.

Amphetamines -- The conversation drug; pop a few pills with my usual tripping buddies and we would, quite literally, spend the entire night in intense, animated conversation. Generally not the faintly dulled down and pointless conversations of a cannabis high, but real and meaningful discussions, some of which I still think about months and even years later -- defining moments in my life where my friends and I came to realisations which shaped the next stage of our lives, or learned secrets that we'd kept from one another for years. As my cousin is fond of saying, this one is a definite performance enhancer. No negative cognitive changes, excepting the "diarrhea of the mouth" issue: better explained, people on adderal love to talk for hours, their sober counterparts are more inclined to tell them to shut up and get lost.

Hydrocodne/Codeine -- never tried heroin, and this is the closest I've gotten. I suppose I could spend time talking about the effects of the high, but you're mostly interested in negative cognitive changes... and again, there really are none. It just brings on a pleasant feeling of mellowness, and I never noticed any cognitive change of any kind.

Salvia -- no longterm cognitive changes, in the short term it's like (in the best way I can describe it) having your entire ability to comprehend reality removed (did not even know I existed as a human being, much less a being at all), while the lines between the animate and inanimate are blurred beyond distinction (I literally thought I had become the couch, or that the couch was me). "Rebirth" into your usual mind takes perhaps five minutes, with thirty minutes of feeling indescribably odd and shaken afterward, though those first five minutes feel endless. This is honestly the only drug that has ever made me forget even the basic fact that I took a drug to begin with.

LSD -- this one is interesting. If you're really tripping on LSD, than the cognitive changes aren't possible for a sober person who's never done LSD to even comprehend. The dosage I did left me far more "present" than saliva did, but I most definitely wasn't "all there". I'll just leave that at that. The after effects, however? I'm still not certain, but it almost seems to have made me sharper; more attune to subtle shifts and changes, more apt to spot the tiny little things that everyone else around me misses. The negatives? I have had several "acid flashbacks", nothing major, just moments in which I'll feel suddenly very strange and distant, or perhaps in the moments before sleep -- just as I'm drifting off -- my thoughts will become so vividly intense as to almost be happening right in that very moment. It definitely hasn't made me feel duller, like alcohol, or even left my memories in a bit of a hazy blur, as I sometimes felt when smoking weed regularly.

Ironically, the only drugs I've ever really regretted are the legal ones -- alcohol and tobacco. Nor have they created much in the way of valuable experiences. With the others, however, I've learned quite a bit that I never could have known otherwise -- of course, how useful the better part of that will prove to be is still an open question.

MortalWombat

07-14-2011, 05:11 PM

I've smoked weed a few times. It was a wholly negative thing for me, personally, but different people have different reactions. I thought slower and much less coherently, and was just overall terribly lethargic. I never had any positive effects from it, and neither am I proud that I have done it. It's something I did when I was young and dumb, and I wouldn't ever do it again.

Alcohol is nice, but I've never been plastered or anything. The occasional drink in moderation is nice, though I admit that I'm a happy/lovey type of drinker. Getting drunk for the sake of it isn't any interest to me. But alcohol is a mood elevator for me, personally. It doesn't have much of an effect upon my cognitive processes.

Tobacco did nothing for me, either positive or negative.

sevans

07-14-2011, 08:29 PM

I smoke weed to combat anxiety. It's the only thing that's ever worked for me, apparently it kills my bipolar disorder too since I've just been diagnosed with that and haven't smoked in a few weeks. Most people I know have good reactions to weed but it is by no means for everyone.

Alcohol sucks and I've only ever met one person that handles his drinks well.

Tobacco is okay and gets you a small buzz if smoked from a hooka. But it's killer on your lungs, throat, and mouth.

I've also used benzos, had them for my bipolar disorder and when they didn't work I doubled up and then trippled up on the prescribed dose. I essentially got drunk without the nausea. Not really a big pill fan.

Vicodin, again had it for a prescription and decided what to see what the high was like. Kind of like melting into your chair and just relaxing more than you can believe. But you get hooked really fast if you abuse. Don't abuse, but at least get the vicodin high once in your life.

I really want to try a hallucinogen but am kind of scared of where my mind will go. I have dark places and don't want a bad trip.

Ahriman

07-15-2011, 03:57 AM

Alchohol: One of the few things that numb the multitude of thoughts rushing through my head. Unfortunately not good on the liver so thats something I need to reduce in my life. I'm part russian so I can handle my drink better than most of the weak ass punks out there.

Ciggarettes: Give's me a little relief from anxiety

Cannabis: Amazing. Relaxes me and gives me plenty of "Eureka moments". Though I've stopped using it since long term use causes schizophrenia.

Mushrooms: Tried it once and was the worst experience Iv'e had in my life. Started off great but when I wanted out of the trip and couldn't I panicked and started seeing demons and felt like I was dying. Definitely not something you want to use if you are the kind of person that needs to be in control. Stopped all illicit substances after that.

Zhuinden

07-15-2011, 05:51 AM

I drank alcohol about.. three times, total? And I kept it down except for the first time, where I experimented with what it would feel like.
Apparently my experience was that all it does is removes the tension from your muscles, and makes you say everything you think, and you just start doing whatever comes to mind without overthinking it. I still refused smoking cigarettes for example, and I could still lie (a bit), but hey - essentially it removes control.

Nothing groundbreaking, if you ask me.

davai

07-15-2011, 07:05 AM

Tried all but one from your list (quite clear which one that is). Will be back later to write a bit about them.

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Marijuana - Been smoking on/off for 10/11 years. Am now in the process of cutting down significantly again. I've noticed it makes me lazy (big surprise), but also mentally lazy. I tend to just want to stay in my head and dream rather than actualize any of these dreams. I have an unhealthy relationship with this drug hence the need to cut down/quit altogether. A lot of people say it enhances creativity, not so much on my part. Long term use has been detrimental in that i have in the past not felt like i could enjoy normal things without smoking it. I'm closer to my ideal way of life when i'm not stoned. Socially i'm much more competent too.

LSD - never had some of the really strong trips, but done a lot of 'party acid'. Was fun, but find after 12 hours of tripping that i'm mentally exhausted and just want to turn off my mind but can't. Melatonin helped alleviate this effect.

Alcohol - Makes me stupid, more suggestable, but lessens my inhibitions. Nuff said.

Cocaine - doesn't agree with me, so i don't do it. Heightens anxiety/paranoia.

Tobacco - mental effects are virtually unnoticable, very subtle if there is any.

Ectasy - lots of fun, had one major experience where i decided not to use it again though. tripped out but not in a good way. Started hearing peoples voices (amongst other things) that weren't there (real people that i know, but they just weren't there).

Heroin - don't like it, or any opiates for that matter. Mentally ok, but nothing i would do long term. The next day is just horrendus. 'Food poisoning' i told my boss, after i'd finished squeezing out the bile from stomach into the staff toilet. Nasty shit.

Mushrooms - My favourite for occassional use. Had some amazing experiences with these. Never had a bad trip per se, bad moments for sure (especially when i mixed Mexican and Hawaiian mushrooms together), but on the whole the experiences opened my eyes to many new things and ways of thinking. I saw things in a completely different light. Great for experimentation, i don't really do them socially anymore though. I find things go to extremes with mushrooms, either they can be revelationary and one can find remarkable peace of mind if enough effort is put in, but more commonly my mind is doing cartwheels and is more uncontrollable than when i'm not on them. ((The sex on these is truly out of this world))

I don't regret trying any of this.

Jalex

07-15-2011, 10:47 AM

Just alcohol... but as I hate to lose any control over myself I don't drink too much.

I am really impressed how US people talk about drugs as if it was a normal thing. Really.

Seablue

07-15-2011, 11:01 AM

Alcohol : Guilty of that. Do I really need to explain the negative effects ? I know my limits pretty well now so I don't get sick if I'm careful. And I don't drink often (though I tend to drink more when I'm depressed, but I'm careful - last time I had a drink was two weeks ago). I love being (a little) drunk. It makes people funnier, it makes the world seem a little more strange and beautiful, and when need be, it makes it easier for me to talk to people about painful things.

Tobacco : Technically I tried, but I never even finished a whole cigarette. No intention of become a smoker, not even occasional.

Marijuana : I didn't even selected it on the poll because I tried for... what... 0,02 seconds ? It made me cough so hard I cried. I hated it. I even told my parents that I had tried it and that I would never do it again - that made them laugh and after that they never worried about me being friend with smoker because they knew I didn't participate.

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Might try harder stuff one day, but it's not my priority in life so I'm not looking for it. Unless someone puts the drug in my hand one day at a party or something of the kind (I'm not talking about GHB...) I'll probably never try anything else.

Still Standing

07-15-2011, 11:06 AM

Just alcohol... but as I hate to lose any control over myself I don't drink too much.

I am really impressed how US people talk about drugs as if it was a normal thing. Really.

Same and same.

But hey, we live in a consumer society where it's "normal" to consume all the time, be it entertainment, games, e-mail, "information," TV/Youtube, stuff, etc. Consuming food and alcohol out of boredom or just for the sake of it has also become "normal," so drugs are the logical next step.

Eisenhower

07-15-2011, 11:08 AM

I suggest you read up a little bit on Timothy Leary, and his experiences.

davai

07-15-2011, 11:12 AM

I suggest you read up a little bit on Timothy Leary, and his experiences.

Good suggestion. Also check out The Doors of Perception (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) by Aldous Huxley.

k2sk8k2

07-15-2011, 12:28 PM

weed- my best friend for crappy days and just about the only thing i want to smoke forever

LSD- done it, tripped loved it, done it again, tripped hard, loved it, done it again and so forth lsd is good if your calm and collective and able to control the trip and have a good time....side effects prominent im immune to the side effects i think... but i notice many others are stupid as hell or to trippy

mushrooms - fuck yea!! side effects stomach ache bout it love that fact

extacy - rollin bout it like floatin on a cloud....depends what kind an if its a triple stack or double drink some oj ...side effects...headache/hangoverfeeling if not properly hidrated

cocaine - like a super caffine buzz ...side effects...never enough in my system to enjoy it fully hence the addictive traits...im immune to addictive shit so w/e its ok if its FREE

alcohol is my least favorite activity i hate drinking unless its to play pong or something but i can drink and hold out if necessary

Thales

07-15-2011, 12:29 PM

If you were asking for any long-term negative effects, then no. After doing these drugs none of the effects that the drugs had exist to this day.

Alcohol: Alcohol was the first thing I tried. I can't remember the first time I actually had it, but the side-effects and such of this drug are very widely known and there is no real need to go in-depth with this.

Marijuana: Marijuana was the second drug. I only experienced negative things during the periods of dosage once, and once reoccuring here and there. The reoccuring negative was that at times I was continue to rub my nose because it just happened to feel good at the time; once I did it until my nose bled a bit. I consciously knew I should stop, but I also knew it was nothing that bad so I obviously didn't due to the pleasure. The only other negative side-effect I've experienced was when I took a few hits while up in the mountains (first time) and I felt what can be described as a gunshot in the back of the head, and also consciously felt a wet spot (blood) on that place, but when I reached back and placed my hand on it there was nothing there yet I still felt the wetness. This cannnot necessarily be attritubed to the marijuana, as it could've been laced with something for all I know.

Lysergic-acid amide: A drug that is, in my opinion, not worth trying. You can obtain it from Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose or Morning Glory seeds. The dosage of this drug was never obvious to me. I took three HBWR seeds and felt waves of euphoria (literal waves). I used eight HBWR seeds, and I felt half of what I felt in the aforementioned dose. I used fourteen HBWR seeds and I felt nothing. The next time I used three again, and the waves of euphoria drove me into insanity. The nausea was getting to me so I decided to lie down, but this didn't help at all. It only made me not want to get up and resulted in tossing and turning everywhere and wrapping myself within the covers. Also this incessant sound that I cannot necessarily describe. It's something you could only create through the computer. That 'trip' kept me up for many hours and almost broke me entirely. I was in fits of rage, etc.

Methoxetamine: An amazing drug, but not something for those with low will-power. You can most certainly get addicted to this. It's a dissociative, and thus something that you are not to play with. An active dose can be as low as 10mg (to where you feel all the effects of the drug). If you've used ketamine, there is a cross-tolerance with this drug. My personal experience is that it is amazingly eye opening. Once the drug begins to set in, my entire face goes numb immediately (not slowly, but like a BAM, numb). Then I feel as if I'm in an elevator and I'm rising higher and higher for the longest time. Time seems to stop. When I'm chatting, it goes by extroadinarily fast, but the clock will make minutes seem like hours. The longer into the trip, the more dissociated I get. At first I'll be "This isn't my room. Where I am? This isn't mine" but consciously know that it IS my room, and that it has to be, but I can't say it for it isn't my room. The next plane is, "This isn't my body, and none of these things are mine." The next is, "This isn't my world, and this isn't my life." The next is, "This isn't my universe. I do not belong here." I've attacked all the philosophical questions with this drug, and continue to do so each time I've used it. Those aren't the literal questions I ask myself each time I go up a plane, but it is a decent generalization of each new sense of reality. The physical side-effects of this drug are that my vision is rather distorted somewhat. I cannot describe it. It isn't something that entirely compromises my vision, though. I can still do just about anything. I also find it hard to walk. My hands also get very sweaty, and my body heat rises. Once I've had a hallucinogenic experience with this drug as well. I decided to use it and lie down in my bed and before I knew it the shadows on the wall were melting, or coming at me, and my bed was melting or felt as if I was lying in a boat upon an ocean, or even at times as if my bed was melting in a way as to make me fall off, etc.

Zhuinden

07-15-2011, 12:31 PM

davai

07-15-2011, 12:40 PM

Methoxetamine

What did you mean by there's a cross tolerance with Ketamine? Your description here sounds similar to some of my experiences on it. One time i was in a K-Hole (as they call it in these circles apparently) for about half an hour. I still don't know to this day whether i enjoyed it or not. Each movement i made (even small head movements) would change my whole scenario. The people would be different, the room would be different, and all events leading up to that moment were different. It was as though i was experiencing multiple parallel universes successively for about 15 minutes. I've never had that before on any drug, it was very unique.

k2sk8k2

07-15-2011, 12:41 PM

You missed a decent chunk of drugs there --
Salvia -- no longterm cognitive changes, in the short term it's like (in the best way I can describe it) having your entire ability to comprehend reality removed (did not even know I existed as a human being, much less a being at all), while the lines between the animate and inanimate are blurred beyond distinction (I literally thought I had become the couch, or that the couch was me). "Rebirth" into your usual mind takes perhaps five minutes, with thirty minutes of feeling indescribably odd and shaken afterward, though those first five minutes feel endless. This is honestly the only drug that has ever made me forget even the basic fact that I took a drug to begin with.

LSD -- this one is interesting. If you're really tripping on LSD, than the cognitive changes aren't possible for a sober person who's never done LSD to even comprehend. The dosage I did left me far more "present" than saliva did, but I most definitely wasn't "all there". I'll just leave that at that. The after effects, however? I'm still not certain, but it almost seems to have made me sharper; more attune to subtle shifts and changes, more apt to spot the tiny little things that everyone else around me misses. The negatives? I have had several "acid flashbacks", nothing major, just moments in which I'll feel suddenly very strange and distant, or perhaps in the moments before sleep -- just as I'm drifting off -- my thoughts will become so vividly intense as to almost be happening right in that very moment. It definitely hasn't made me feel duller, like alcohol, or even left my memories in a bit of a hazy blur, as I sometimes felt when smoking weed regularly.

Ironically, the only drugs I've ever really regretted are the legal ones -- alcohol and tobacco. Nor have they created much in the way of valuable experiences. With the others, however, I've learned quite a bit that I never could have known otherwise -- of course, how useful the better part of that will prove to be is still an open question.

yes! with the salvia only drug thats ever made me forget i was on anything TO INTENSE sometimes I was stuck in a void laying down on a hill the ground was the trip and the sky was reality and i was stuck in the middle melting in and out of existence i had to roll down the hill to escape the darkness after i was done rolling the trip ended it was the only bad trip ive ever experienced in my life out of all the shit if done

Also agree with the LSD part and your conclusion all legal drugs are th only things ive regretted doing in the long run

davai

07-15-2011, 12:42 PM

but I guess that's just me...

Maybe. Though bear in mind humans have been doing this for millenia, it's not a new age fad, and some interesting insights can be gleaned from the experimentation.

k2sk8k2

07-15-2011, 12:46 PM

Thales

07-15-2011, 12:48 PM

What did you mean by there's a cross tolerance with Ketamine? Your description here sounds similar to some of my experiences on it. One time i was in a K-Hole (as they call it in these circles apparently) for about half an hour. I still don't know to this day whether i enjoyed it or not. Each movement i made (even small head movements) would change my whole scenario. The people would be different, the room would be different, and all events leading up to that moment were different. It was as though i was experiencing multiple parallel universes successively for about 15 minutes. I've never had that before on any drug, it was very unique.

Cross-tolerance means that the two drugs are similar in a way (Methoxetamine is an analogue of Ketamine), and thus if you have a tolerance with Ketamine you'll have a tolerance with Methoxetamine. Due to myself not being strong in chemistry, I'll just quote this:
Methoxetamine is a product of rational drug design: its N-ethyl group was chosen to increase potency, lessening the risk of interstitial cystitis that can result from the accumulation of ketamine-like metabolites in the urinary bladder.[1]
^ a b [1], Morris, H. (11 February 2011). "Interview with a ketamine chemist: or to be more precise, an arylcyclohexylamine chemist". Vice Magazine. Retrieved 2011-02-11.
There is still not much known about this drug, as it is very new. It was only created towards the end of last year.

davai

07-15-2011, 12:51 PM

Cross-tolerance means that the two drugs are similar in a way (Methoxetamine is an analogue of Ketamine), and thus if you have a tolerance with Ketamine you'll have a tolerance with Methoxetamine.

Aha. Now your description of Methoxetamine makes a lot of sense and why i found it to be similar to my experience with Ketamine.

Aylucid

07-15-2011, 01:10 PM

Meh, some of these posts are disappointing and seem to be filled with bias.

Marijuana: While high I feel as though the barrier between my subconscious and conscious mind has let up, I think more, faster, and understand less. Interesting, "brain massage" but not functional enough to make it a habit.

Alcohol: The happiness "light" feeling you get while laughing + ability to "not care" in social situations. (Still have full control over my actions)

LSD: Jump in this hole... no really... jump in.

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Its like an adventure with out little risk you reap little reward and the reward is that of an entire existence unknown is now known to you, cant beef trippin unless you've tripped

Well put, couldn't have said it better myself.

Aziel

07-15-2011, 01:16 PM

Just alcohol... but as I hate to lose any control over myself I don't drink too much.

I am really impressed how US people talk about drugs as if it was a normal thing. Really.

And I am really impressed that you think this has anything to do with the US. Native Americans, Europeans of just about any decent, and heck the Japanese invented MDMA. Any culture you look at in history has extensive drug, and mostly psychodelic, history. But there is a great deal of hazard that you assume depending on the substance one chooses. Alchohol is literally poison compared to Marijuana and MDMA. Heck it really is straight poison. Nothing I know of kills brain cells like it does. Not to mention liver damage. For a loss in motor skills and a below average "high" it's just rediculous. It floors me that it's still legal. If you don't believe these posts or if you would like to argue against them then please do some research on other substances first. Erowid.org is a great place to start. Overall I would say two things: question why it is illegal and do your research before you try something. Alot of drug related deaths with MDMA come from ignorance of what it does to you. Completely avoidable. But I digress.

Cheers

clumsywordsmith

07-15-2011, 03:26 PM

ppu6502

07-15-2011, 04:08 PM

I haven't touched any of these things in months, except for a few weeks back I had some drinks at an important product release party. That said, I have experienced a significant variety of drugs as I entertained the club life over the past few years.

Marijuana

It's always enjoyable when alone. It gives me social anxiety around others, so I avoid it. There are only a handful of people I feel comfortable smoking around. Even that is honestly a little bit of a challenge, so fuck it why bother.

I don't consider it productive, I honestly think it only makes you think you're being productive.

Alcohol

I've had enormous amounts of fun drinking. I am currently on hiatus, and I have no regrets about that decision, since it has many negative health effects.

Cocaine

This stuff is basically useless to me. I've had it enough times to have a good feel for what it does. I don't know if my personality already resembles what it is people seek with this drug, but it basically just seems to magnify a few traits that I already have in spades -- confidence, energy, focus. I have no interest in ever taking this drug again, it's never worth it.

Tobacco

I really enjoy smoking, but I have stopped completely as of a few months ago. I was never a heavy smoker (weekends only), but I know it was enough to negatively impact my health. I miss being able to smoke in social situations, it's a constant struggle. I expect it will be for quite a long time.

I particularly enjoyed clove cigarettes at jazz clubs when I was a teenager. Also, a cigarette after dinner at a really fancy restaurant is, in my opinion, worth it, so long as this is only happening once every few months.

Ectasy

I've had plenty of Ectasy, and it absolutely does catch up with you. I think everybody should try it, but it has diminishing returns and long term effects. It's been probably half a year or longer since I've had any, and I don't miss it. I prefer being my normal self, honestly.

Mushrooms

I've had these a few times. I've actually gone out to the bars while on shrooms, and it was pretty damn fun. I ended up at some after party and talked all night. Eventually it wore off, and I just left suddenly..lol

Another time, I spent hours, but what seemed like years, relaxing on the couch listening to Psy-Trance mixes. It was very memorable and pleasant.

I don't experience any negative side effects from shrooms, but I have had one "bad trip" -- I didn't mind the bad trip because it basically just brought a bunch of stuff to my attention that was better to be aware of anyway. I powered through it, knowing it would end in an hour or so. I don't know how to describe it, but I basically took the bad trip as a challenge, so in a way it was actually enjoyable. It made me feel good that I could experience something so terrible and maintain my wits, even as my sense of self disintegrated.

sevans

07-15-2011, 04:21 PM

.......I never would have thought so many people just love to mess with their entire central nervous system, their perception, and basically everything that they are.
I wonder how many of you rip out parts of your computer motherboard to see if it'll still work. The effects and the nature of these actions are quite similar. You have NO idea what you're doing, and can cause permanent damage. I don't think it's worth the risk... but I guess that's just me...

When you're as fucked up as me emotionally and socially, you'll try everything to get back to normal. I don't have normal friends, I don't even consider people of lower intelligence than me to be worth while to even make basic communication with. Essentially I assume the entire populous around me is retarded and not respectable, and until I see otherwise I don't even give them the chance to prove that they aren't. When I smoke weed, I can communicate with nearly everyone, granted for a while I was terrified of even looking at people when high. It took me some time to feel comfortable enough with myself, and this is only because of weed, to be able to initiate random small talk or normal conversation with a stranger. I'm better at everything and much more chill about everything now that I smoke. Been smoking for almost 3 years and I've got to say I just genuinely enjoy life more.

And about fucking up my central nervous system, eh I'm going to probably off myself when I can't ski anymore anyway so I'm not worried about it.

Also:
I don't think it's worth the risk... but I guess that's just me...
Id suggest doing some research on what the real side effects of all these drugs really are, I feel that you may be coming from a dare or above the influence background or something. The facts and history of drugs are amazingly interesting. Did you know that cocaine was actually made illegal based on racial bias. Or that weed is only illegal because of the hemp industry's amazing strides that could have resulted in several monopolies? How about that in the 70s LSD was being tested for thought and mood disorders? Interesting shit.

I also used to feel this way but when I started reading opposing arguments and seeing studies come out saying that things in the drug war were wrong, I started to question the whole thing. I became interested in weed legalization, it wasn't for a few more years of sever depression and anxiety paired with tons of medications that didn't work or that didn't work immediately that I started to think that something that could work immediately for these disorders should be created. I found out that weed pretty much kills all anxiety in some people and I had to try it. I grew up in a military family and was always against it whole heartedly until this point.

Axion004

07-15-2011, 08:37 PM

No interest in drugs: I drank alcohol when I was thirteen and then again when I was sixteen. After the second time at age sixteen I concluded that I didn't like the slowing down of my brain and I didn't try for number three. I have never had any desire to consume drugs.

Beric

07-15-2011, 08:50 PM

Absolutely positively none of the above.

sevans

07-15-2011, 08:55 PM

Absolutely positively none of the above.

Really? Meth is your drug? I just... I just can't even imagine. Well I can, but that's only because I watch COPS... but really?

Negativezero

07-15-2011, 09:06 PM

I've tried xtc, alcohol, tobacco, and mary-jane.
Alcohol and tobacco are the only ones I do consistently.

There is little in life that I enjoy other than getting drunk and smoking a few cigarettes. I have next to no friends, horrible social skills, not good with women, got tired of never getting anything in life.

Drinking, it's one of the few things I have that I can rely on. It's always fun. I drink to myself and forget the world exists.

Scooby77

07-15-2011, 09:14 PM

Cannabis: Amazing. Relaxes me and gives me plenty of "Eureka moments". Though I've stopped using it since long term use causes schizophrenia.

No it doesn't cause schizophrenia. It does however trigger schizophrenia to emerge sooner than it normally would have.

I have two friends who both became schizophrenic shortly after having started to smoke pot. In both cases, they would have been diagnosed eventually, regardless of their drug use. Pot just made the signs light up. Both of them had been smoking pot for less than a year.

On the long-term, if you can keep pot smoking to a social habit, then I don't think you will see any negative consequences aside from the possibility of going to jail and/or having a criminal record. If you can not keep control of your habit (it's a lot harder than you think before you get addicted and yes it IS addictive, just not chemically), it makes you physically and mentally lethargic and can cause depression. Mostly, if you are doing it too much, then it is an indication that you are not living a healthy lifestyle and the consequences of such are going to be the same regardless of your particular vice.

Edit:
I have been smoking pot daily for almost 20 years. Not just parroting. It's my experience.

Jalex

07-15-2011, 09:17 PM

And I am really impressed that you think this has anything to do with the US. Native Americans, Europeans of just about any decent, and heck the Japanese invented MDMA.

Well is not that hard to understand if you go around different forums and see the threads, how they refer to drugs usage and in which terms.

I have read forums of about 17 countries in three different languages and the way US-people refer to drugs is quite normal, as if you were talking about drinking water.

It is just something I noticed, not a critic. In fact I think it is much more healthy the way US-people talk about it, so openly and sincere.

VENUS 2020

07-15-2011, 09:19 PM

Occasional alcohol, but not to the point of intoxication. Got drunk once and the hangover was definitely not worth it.

sevans

07-15-2011, 09:20 PM

No it doesn't cause schizophrenia. It does however trigger schizophrenia to emerge sooner than it normally would have.

I have two friends who both became schizophrenic shortly after having started to smoke pot. In both cases, they would have been diagnosed eventually, regardless of their drug use. Pot just made the signs light up. Both of them had been smoking pot for less than a year.

On the long-term, if you can keep pot smoking to a social habit, then I don't think you will see any negative consequences aside from the possibility of going to jail and/or having a criminal record. If you can not keep control of your habit (it's a lot harder than you think before you get addicted and yes it IS addictive, just not chemically), it makes you physically and mentally lethargic and can cause depression. Mostly, if you are doing it too much, then it is an indication that you are not living a healthy lifestyle and the consequences of such are going to be the same regardless of your particular vice.

To nitpick, it is emotionally addictive, neither physically or chemically. And while it can speed up psychosis, it won't create it, but it will also lessen the problems caused by the creation of it... It's miraculously destructive in that one aspect but also extremely therapeutic and effective at resolving other issues. Its a wonder big pharma isn't behind it yet.

Scooby77

07-15-2011, 09:47 PM

To nitpick, it is emotionally addictive, neither physically or chemically.

Yes, it is also habitually addictive.
Even though I would like to stop, I thoroughly enjoy smoking pot (emotional). Even when I do try to stop, it is such a part of my daily life that it's nearly reflex (habitual) and denying myself only causes me to dwell on it and destroy all productivity. Like trying to train yourself to be left-handed (if you are naturally right-handed of course).

And while it can speed up psychosis, it won't create it, but it will also lessen the problems caused by the creation of it... It's miraculously destructive in that one aspect but also extremely therapeutic and effective at resolving other issues. Its a wonder big pharma isn't behind it yet.

True. I will say though that proactive marijuana campaigns are exaggerating how beneficial it really is. The chemical THC is medically beneficial, not smoking pot. Actually getting high and the activity of smoking it can be therapeutic but not nearly as often as people would like to think. In all, it's mostly just excuses to make it legal. Which I think it should be, but not for those reasons.

s4nder

07-15-2011, 11:51 PM

Just alcohol and I've pretty much given that up as well. I like to be in control.

Thales

07-16-2011, 12:02 AM

To nitpick, it is emotionally addictive, neither physically or chemically. And while it can speed up psychosis, it won't create it, but it will also lessen the problems caused by the creation of it... It's miraculously destructive in that one aspect but also extremely therapeutic and effective at resolving other issues. Its a wonder big pharma isn't behind it yet.

Pharmacy is already behind THC; look up the drug Marinol. The drug is legal, has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration, and has been available by prescription since 1985.

peppersasen

07-16-2011, 04:51 AM

Alcohol, tobacco, and weed (marijuana isn't illegal in the area). I still remember the first time I had a hash brownie. I don't want to ever forget that night. I've been playing around with a LSD trip simulation on YouTube (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) but have yet to try the real thing. :wacky:

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davai

07-16-2011, 05:00 AM

I've been playing around with a LSD trip simulation on YouTube (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) but have yet to try the real thing. :wacky:

This sort of thing gives you a small sense of some of the visual effects, but doesn't come close to the all round experience (the shift in depth perception, cognitive changes, altered states of consciousness, thoughts that you've never experienced, memories and connections that you didn't remember and never thought possible, patterns that you never perceived before, and generally observations that are entirely new). This is really the tip of the iceberg. After a good trip, you'll realise why it's so hard to explain the effects to someone who's never done it before.

sevans

07-16-2011, 05:12 AM

Pharmacy is already behind THC; look up the drug Marinol. The drug is legal, has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration, and has been available by prescription since 1985.

Marinol has several side effects due to it's synthetic formula, natural thc won't get you nauseous or make you sick and shit but marinol will.

Zhuinden

07-16-2011, 07:56 AM

Yes, actually, as a little boy I spent countless hours tearing things apart and trying to make them work again. Sometimes even things I liked and would not have wanted to ruin. Small wonder that I've moved on to doing the same with my mind a little later in life. As for no idea what we're doing? I can't speak for the others here, but with every drug I've tried I've invested countless hours of research beforehand -- I might still not know precisely what something is doing to my mind, but at least I have the experience of millions before me to base my own choices on.

I'm taking a risk. I know that. I also know that the risks of permanent damage and other such side effects are minuscule with the proper precautions.

As for the analogy of ripping bits of your motherboard out and putting them back in? Not quite... it's a bit more like overclocking your CPU or GPU. Sure, you run the risk of melting your chips with too much, but to some it's worth it.

Ah. I don't take things apart that I find too valuable to experiment with. :P That sort of explains a lot.

Id suggest doing some research on what the real side effects of all these drugs really are, I feel that you may be coming from a dare or above the influence background or something. The facts and history of drugs are amazingly interesting. [...] it wasn't for a few more years of sever depression and anxiety paired with tons of medications that didn't work or that didn't work immediately that I started to think that something that could work immediately for these disorders should be created. I found out that weed pretty much kills all anxiety in some people and I had to try it.

Anyways, the problem is that no matter how much research you do on how it affects the brain here and there, you just cannot foresee permanent deviations it can cause. Especially considering the brain set-up is different for many people.
Basically, you might mess with something you really shouldn't... what if you'll see voices and hear colors while you're driving on the highway and a dragondeer jumps in front of you? Doesn't sound as much fun.
(Of course, I do realize this is not the case with weed. Weed's alterations of the mind are not as crucial. This is more like an LSD example.)
There is not enough information on how the brain exactly works, therefore they cannot completely tell how drugs alter them. All information is stored in the brain - all experiences cause a difference in your future self. Therefore, despite the different types of experiencing and the knowledge these drugs might provide, -my personal opinion is- that it's not worth messing with -yourself- if the *permanent* effects are unknown.

When you're as fucked up as me emotionally and socially, you'll try everything to get back to normal. I don't have normal friends, I don't even consider people of lower intelligence than me to be worth while to even make basic communication with. Essentially I assume the entire populous around me is retarded and not respectable, and until I see otherwise I don't even give them the chance to prove that they aren't. When I smoke weed, I can communicate with nearly everyone, granted for a while I was terrified of even looking at people when high. It took me some time to feel comfortable enough with myself, and this is only because of weed, to be able to initiate random small talk or normal conversation with a stranger. I'm better at everything and much more chill about everything now that I smoke. Been smoking for almost 3 years and I've got to say I just genuinely enjoy life more.

Well, I guess it is a solution.
..but I am certain there is a solution with lower risk.
Anxiety stems from a reason. Usually this reason is at least partially valid.
Either the fear of being unable to connect with others (not having anything to talk about, for example), or maintaining communication for too long would be exhausting, or it's just not worth the risk... Sure, removing your anxiety to do something you would otherwise avoid might be a way to force yourself to do it, but.. the real problem here is the fear of communication, fear of being inadequate at it. The solution for that could be the drug, but it could also be social skills training. It's just your choice which one you choose.

...anxiety and fear are all in our -own- heads. There are various ways to encounter it... either by eradicating the core of the problem through a focused procedure, or to cut out the whole thing quick with an axe. As for analogy, drugs are the second option. :P

mieu

07-16-2011, 08:01 AM

No choice for amphetamines? Or is it assumed that INTJs are all on Adderall therapy? Kidding--I suppose it makes sense as amphetamine high isn't necessary hallucinogenic or known to beget 'enlightening' experiences (unless psychosis is enlightening). Then again tobacco is on there, and tobacco is just grosssss.

I tried marijuana a couple of times in high school (cookies!), was fun but I was generally unimpressed. I was very anxious both times prior to taking it (due to the company I was in) so if it's anything like alcohol I likely 'psyched' myself out of feeling its full effects. If marijuana is legalized for recreation at some point before I die I'll probably try it again. Since I am on a therapeutic dose of Adderall, I shy away from using it due to--as Scooby77 noted--it's ability to manifest schizophrenia sooner rather than later. I have this weird feeling that my prolonged use of Adderall (going on 10 years now, though never once have I overdosed) combined with environmental stresses might lend itself to the condition within the next decade. We shall see. I continue to take it not only because it helps me function day-to-day, but I feel that without it I could not cram my brain so full of information. I've quit cold-turkey before without too much trouble outside a week of mental discomfort, but I guess my true dependence is on what it enables me to do with greater efficiency than what I could achieve without it.

I do have very strong will-power, so I sometimes wonder why I don't at least try other drugs. I'd probably be more comfortable experimenting if I had a 'mentor' to keep me from, y'know, accidentally killing myself.

sevans

07-16-2011, 03:58 PM

Well, I guess it is a solution.
..but I am certain there is a solution with lower risk.
Anxiety stems from a reason. Usually this reason is at least partially valid.
Either the fear of being unable to connect with others (not having anything to talk about, for example), or maintaining communication for too long would be exhausting, or it's just not worth the risk... Sure, removing your anxiety to do something you would otherwise avoid might be a way to force yourself to do it, but.. the real problem here is the fear of communication, fear of being inadequate at it. The solution for that could be the drug, but it could also be social skills training. It's just your choice which one you choose.

...anxiety and fear are all in our -own- heads. There are various ways to encounter it... either by eradicating the core of the problem through a focused procedure, or to cut out the whole thing quick with an axe. As for analogy, drugs are the second option. :P

Here's the thing, I'm one of the few people who actually need this drug to function, many people think they need it but I can guarantee that there is something else that could work for them. I've been going to my psychologist since I was in 7th grade for my anxiety and thought training didn't do shit. I've been trying to change my thoughts for years and with acute anxiety, you can't just change thoughts because they just happen randomly. Some people can, I can't. I will argue my use for ever...

Beric

07-17-2011, 02:40 AM

Really? Meth is your drug? I just... I just can't even imagine. Well I can, but that's only because I watch COPS... but really?

Not sure I follow... I've never taken any drugs, not even alcohol. I don't even know what half the drugs up there are. I recognize some of the names, but they mean nothing to me.

I'm incredibly risk-adverse.

N0c7urn3

07-17-2011, 03:09 AM

Alcohol: Can't stand the taste (supertaster, here). Bitter and stings my tongue. So I don't drink.

Tobacco: Took a puff, can't stand the stuff.

Zodd

07-17-2011, 04:56 AM

Mushrooms can be so immensly great, especially for INTJ's I think. But there is such a downside too it if you're not mentally well.

Axion004

07-17-2011, 06:12 AM

Dinah

07-17-2011, 10:14 AM

I ordered Class A narcotics from India a couple years ago to get through a speech class.

I took like, four at a time. I don't even remember what I said in front of all those people. A few, however, told me later on that they had never seen me be so "talkative and animated".

Zhuinden

07-17-2011, 10:40 AM

Here's the thing, I'm one of the few people who actually need this drug to function, many people think they need it but I can guarantee that there is something else that could work for them. I've been going to my psychologist since I was in 7th grade for my anxiety and thought training didn't do shit. I've been trying to change my thoughts for years and with acute anxiety, you can't just change thoughts because they just happen randomly. Some people can, I can't. I will argue my use for ever...

Thoughts are based on circumstances... just by telling yourself "I am pretty and I am confident and everybody loves me!" you won't change the circumstances that make you anxious. I never understood what people meant by "fake it while you make it", it's a stupid advice to give.
Anyways, your causes are understandable. I won't argue with that. As long as it helped and caused no malicious side-effects, I won't even try to get you to stop. Why would I? :P

(I used to be ridiculously anxious myself.. now I'm just a bit avoidant here and there. I attended martial arts at I think one of the best if not the best.. teachers? of it ever. That helped. But, his ways were all about "opening up", "focusing on the world" and over-all extraversion, and less planning. Essentially, it was sort of like ESFP training, haha... For my IxTJ, that was quite useful to gain a new perspective, and to change.)

sevans

07-17-2011, 11:28 AM

Thoughts are based on circumstances... just by telling yourself "I am pretty and I am confident and everybody loves me!" you won't change the circumstances that make you anxious. I never understood what people meant by "fake it while you make it", it's a stupid advice to give.
Anyways, your causes are understandable. I won't argue with that. As long as it helped and caused no malicious side-effects, I won't even try to get you to stop. Why would I? :P

(I used to be ridiculously anxious myself.. now I'm just a bit avoidant here and there. I attended martial arts at I think one of the best if not the best.. teachers? of it ever. That helped. But, his ways were all about "opening up", "focusing on the world" and over-all extraversion, and less planning. Essentially, it was sort of like ESFP training, haha... For my IxTJ, that was quite useful to gain a new perspective, and to change.)

Martial arts did help me quite a bit in the confidence area... I don't know, maybe I can just punch my way out of a conversation if it starts going in a direction I don't like lol

(note that the joke above should have been obvious, this is just to keep the people who have no sense of humor at bay...)

Anyway, I can say, fake it till you make it works in certain parts of life differing for different people. Socially I faked it and am currently making it with my social life, granted I'm not connecting, but I don't wish to connect. I also faked it until I made it in music, and now I get it pretty solid from theory to technique on my trained instruments. It's just different strokes for different folks. But I agree, fake it till you make it is pretty much as cliche as "be yourself" because everyone knows being yourself isn't always the best option.

Zhuinden

07-17-2011, 02:43 PM

Anyway, I can say, fake it till you make it works in certain parts of life differing for different people. Socially I faked it and am currently making it with my social life, granted I'm not connecting, but I don't wish to connect. I also faked it until I made it in music, and now I get it pretty solid from theory to technique on my trained instruments. It's just different strokes for different folks. But I agree, fake it till you make it is pretty much as cliche as "be yourself" because everyone knows being yourself isn't always the best option.

You know, all this faking seems to be the same as "practice" to me. Huh.

And yes, being yourself works only if you are someone who's worth being.

davai

07-17-2011, 04:32 PM

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07-17-2011, 04:35 PM

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Hey...

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I don't pop pills, that's just preposterous.

ombrenuit

07-18-2011, 12:47 AM

I've only ever done marijuana and alcohol. Curiously I tried marijuana first, and as a result alcohol always felt weak in comparison.

My experience with pot is unusually psychedelic. This is probably because I've only ever done it with infrequency and I have a low tolerance (and I don't weigh that much). I've had audio hallucinations (never good) and even closed eye visuals (most amazing experience of my life, didn't even know my eyes were closed). It makes me intensely introspective and I feel like the barrier between my subconscious and my conscious mind is lifted. Strongly associative.

Generally, the times I've been alone (all but my first experience), were the best experiences I had. Social experiences left me paranoid (then again, justifiably so in just about every case). I've had a bad trip on pot that made me quit for a long time. That time was alone, but resulted from a conversation online with a girlfriend who disapproved. That was probably the worst hell I've ever experienced, but I got through it okay.

I've never felt creative on marijuana, but I have felt inspired afterward. The following one or two days left me in a "glow" where I was more inspired musically. I do feel that my brain is more lethargic for a few days following, and my OCD, while alleviated for a few days, is exacerbated for the remainder of the week. I almost feel it's worth it to get a taste of what it's like to feel normal again for a couple days, even if it exacerbates.

I would have never tried drugs were it not for my OCD and I would subscribe my use as primarily medicinal. After a week I do not feel any lingering effects for the most part. I have not felt that marijuana has made me any "dumber" or "slower" than before.

I don't regret my use and in fact recommend it to anyone as a one-off life experience who had done their research and takes full responsibility for the risks involved.

I would like to try psilocybin or LSD as I've read both alleviate OCD symptoms. I'd also love to experience visuals again. However, I am concerned that I'm at too stressful a point in my life to experiment with something that could give me a 10 hour roller coaster through hell.

davai

07-18-2011, 11:32 AM

Doing speed taught me something cool about my bodies defense mechs. A couple of times i've been so dry mouthed from it that i literally couldn't swallow and was choking....no water about, and i would die if this carried on... When it got to that point though my salival glands kicked into action pumping out gallons of new spit into my mouth! Rad....But it really takes being on the verge of death for this to happen.

TylerRDA

07-18-2011, 11:45 AM

Alderamin

07-18-2011, 12:45 PM

Have used alcohol (maybe 20 times), tobacco (two times), pot (about 150 times), and mushrooms (once). No interest in doing any of these ever again, and yes I regret all of them and wish I could be back in my drug virgin state. I have stayed away from all of these for several years now.

k2sk8k2

07-18-2011, 01:01 PM

May I ask if anyone has done dissociatives (PCP, ketamine, propofol, etc) recreationally? I would never ever do any drug recreationally in a million years for too many practical and ethical reasons to list... but I can't honestly say I'm not tempted to try these drugs. I got ketamine and propofol, and maybe some benzos while I was getting my wisdom teeth out, and it was just really really awesome. I hate to sound like a junkie but... I am curious what its like to take these recreationally.

watched a few people snort ketamine, one kid said thats the highest hes ever been like a suuuuper weed high he was fucked up

heard storys about pcp laced weed like just tripping out while smoking being very intense

but out of everything I've ever done salvia fucked me up the most I am scared to smoke salvia as Its the only thing ive ever forgot I did after the effects come on

you are mentally fucked on salvia thats for dam sure

subwayrider

07-18-2011, 03:06 PM

I've tried the softer drugs on the list. Drugs can definitely create valuable experiences for the user, especially if the user is an intelligent person, like myself. What you have to ask yourself, is whether the long-term effects of the drug are worth trying it once. This is why I have never touched any hard drugs. I do not want to get sucked into a cycle of addiction.
Do your research before you try a drug. Know what to expect. Be prepared. As a general rule, psychedelics are the safest way to go, if you want something that isn't habit-forming. That being said...

I don't regret using the drugs I have tried. The cognitive changes I experienced were most notably from two psychedelics (not really alcohol or tobacco): Marijuana and Salvia.

The first time I got high on MJ, I was 17. As soon as it kicked in, I felt like my mind was working like never before. It's hard to describe to people who have not experienced it, but it feels like you have super intelligence. Your thinking is very, very abstract, and you get thoughts and ideas you would never have gotten otherwise. These thoughts are not always good, and if they take a turn towards the worse, you'll have what is known as "paranoia." But, this is pretty easy to deal with after a while.
This was my favorite part of getting high on weed: the philosophical pondering that would go on in my head. In that state, it is possible to have conversations with yourself, and not feel like you are. At least, that's what I would feel.

Tobacco always made me feel like shit if I smoked too much.

Alcohol doesn't really produce any effects on my thought processes; it just makes me more open, socially.

rev360

07-18-2011, 03:54 PM

MJ and alcohol; I can't tolerate smoking anymore, but alcohol's OK : )

My earliest experiences with MJ were a lot of fun. I usually hit it alone, and would only take a few hits at a time so as not to get incredibly blasted. In college and it became more of a group/social thing, and I had a tendency to overdo it in those situations. That's when I realized I was a lightweight and very prone to paranoia. A couple bad highs later and I was done for good.

I used to love alcohol, now I just like it. ;) As a future healthcare professional it's impossible to ignore the downside, and there have been a couple low periods in my life where it definitely became a problem. But when things are well, as they usually are, moderation usually works just fine.

Hangovers, though, have never been much a of downside because I rarely have them. In fact, even if I've *clearly* had too much, the next day brings this transient, euphoric, hypomaniacal state of mind, during which I do some of my most inspired and creative thinking. It's odd -- any else ever experience this?

TylerRDA

07-18-2011, 03:56 PM

Alderamin

07-18-2011, 08:37 PM

How come?

How come I stay away from them? I find especially with pot that it was producing a feeling of unreality, as if my own self was on the verge of being wiped out and I would be gone forever.

How come I regret them? I think pot was eroding my mind, harming a lot of my hormone production, and disregulating my emotions. I was becoming uninhibited. That's wasted time I will not get back. To me, drug intoxication felt like a reversion to a less evolved mental state. I want to go beyond thinking, not below it.

sevans

07-18-2011, 09:10 PM

How come I stay away from them? I find especially with pot that it was producing a feeling of unreality, as if my own self was on the verge of being wiped out and I would be gone forever.

How come I regret them? I think pot was eroding my mind, harming a lot of my hormone production, and disregulating my emotions. I was becoming uninhibited. That's wasted time I will not get back. To me, drug intoxication felt like a reversion to a less evolved mental state. I want to go beyond thinking, not below it.

How is that wasted time? I find that when stoned I'm much more able to deal with idiots and assholes than I would be sober. I'd be completely on the defensive if I had to deal with assholes sober all day, and I am and do currently. Honestly, I can't think straight, I'm going crazy as we speak, I can't sleep, my eating pattern is off, I have no friends in the area at the current time. Life is shit, being stoned helps me escape that, and the hope of getting stoned gets me through the day.

Alderamin

07-18-2011, 09:44 PM

TheStranger

07-18-2011, 09:45 PM

I've read even marijuana can have detrimental effects, especially for someone like me.

sevans

07-18-2011, 09:50 PM

Yeah, I was on that same emotional roller coaster when I was getting high too. Those lows you are experiencing are a stress response from the effects of the cannabis on your system. You will continue to exhaust yourself with this cycle until your mind and body hit a crisis stage.

Problem with your theory, and I intentionally neglected to mention, is that I haven't smoked in 4 weeks. And when I did smoke 4 weeks ago, I had a joint, so it's completely out of my system now. I went 2 years without any problems because I was smoking weekly for one of those years and daily the other year. You may have had negative effects personally, but I've had nothing but positive effects. I use it to relax and go to sleep, relax and hang out with people, and relax and all around enjoy life. I've had an ongoing depression for almost 8 years, nothing has worked, that is until I found weed. It really is the miracle cure for some of us.

TheStranger

07-18-2011, 09:55 PM

sevans

07-18-2011, 09:57 PM

^^Funny, studies say that weed helps depression, until the higher dosages are reached, then it has the reverse effect. Of course, these studies were done with synthetic forms (the ones I read at least). Beneficial but harmful in the wrong hands.

Heh, you wouldn't believe how much my buddy and I were smoking in a single night if I told you. Which I won't... It's honestly not something I'm proud of but we did it for science.

Alderamin

07-18-2011, 10:02 PM

You've been messing with your hormones for two entire years now and they already were not working well beforehand. Of course you feel awful.

TheStranger

07-18-2011, 10:05 PM

Heh, you wouldn't believe how much my buddy and I were smoking in a single night if I told you. Which I won't... It's honestly not something I'm proud of but we did it for science.

Haha, well nearly impossible to OD on it, so why not?

ness2361

07-18-2011, 10:17 PM

How many of you have tried one or more of the drugs listed above? Have you noticed any negative effects?
Do you regret trying it (and or continually using it) or do they create valuable experiences?

I'm interested particularly in any detrimental cognitive changes the usage of some of these drugs have had and whether they are significant or unnoticeable.

Edit: Forgot to add an "other" option. Oh well.

I'm 50: take that into consideration. And I'm tired, so I don't know WTF the previous sentence is supposed to convey, exactly.

Family Background: Hillbillies--Kentucky hills--so tobacco, sure: right of passage; not much of one but all the same: I smoked cigarettes from 14-29, and that was that. (Lost an uncle and aunt to emphesema (spelling?), and grandfather and Mom to lung cancer--both had melanoma too, so I'm a nut about sunscreen, got that redhead gene working against me.)

I got drunk lots of times--had a blast; had horrible hangovers; got depressed from drinking too much; checked my rage by relaxing with alcohol: pros and cons, but too many cons for 'drunk', not drinking, so I don't drink alcohol any longer--can't have one or two alcoholic drinks at this altitude: now that I live 4,500 feet or so up, in altitude, for some reason with just one, maybe two small glasses of wine or beer,

I feel as though I've had five or six--no slow buzz, great time listening to CD after CD... so I gave it up altogether, after repeated attempts, but not too many because it sucked that bad, the feeling of having had five or six drinks WHAM!

Pot. Shit, I grew up in the 60s and early 70s--everybody, it seemed, was smoking pot, and I hated it, but my Mom (bio) sent me to buy it; and I liked getting/giving shotguns to cute guys, but I hated everything else about it--searing in lungs, coughing, seeds popping in cheap MJ, stupid company I was in, feeling vulnerable, it being illegal even if it was a misdemeanor in the 70s, in Cleveland...,

so I never smoked much, often, nothing to speak of compared to my older sister who called me 'Goody-Two-Shoes', a sap, pussy, and so on. She did it all, and I mean everything: glue, Purple Microdot and mescaline and speed-balls or whatever they're called.

(She's the socio-path: Medical Model school of thought; and 'not right in the head' in layperson's terms; she was a fire-starter; wanna-be, tried-to-be killer: first tried offing herself (at 4), then me (when I was 4 and she was 6), and a classmate (8) but the girl wouldn't drink the glass of milk mingled with rat poison.)

Back to MY habits/history:

I tried cocaine twice and got no reaction but this nasty taste in the back of my throat like I had swallowed crunched up aspirin... No, like I had snorted crunched up aspirin: drip, drip, drip, bitter drip...

So the dude--cute bartender, I was 23 or 24, who came over and brought the cocaine, did it he said only sometimes...

I asked him, "So when is this supposed to do something?" He looked stunned, said, "You don't FEEL that?" I said, "No... How do I get rid of this bitter taste in the back of my throat?" He said, "It'll go away eventually", and I drank Pepsi and he was right, it did go away after a while, and I stopped seeing him--he was cute but I was never 'that' stupid--to get attached to a dude who liked doing coke regularly, no matter what he said he did--or did not do 'that often.'

Same with crystal meth, which I don't remember seeing, or speed of any kind (powdered, pill, ball...) on the Poll?

I thought for the longest time that crystal meth and speed were two different drugs: I never would have taken 'crystal meth', that's how strong my prejudice was--and a boyfriend had to clue me in: crystal meth is basically just speed (80s) that you snort instead of ingesting in capsule form. (Oooooh)

(So I took 'powdered speed' (snort, snort) while drunk--twice in the same week, when I was 28, and had pretty much the same response as when I did the coke twice: drip, drip, drip, "when is this supposed to do something?" (I've been told that because my mind, metabolism runs so fast, those drugs just blended right in with the rest of my speeding chemical reactions; who knows.)

I grew up with speed, took it a few times, like twice (I'm dense) when my older sister promised she would stay up with me if I did it--same sister mentioned above--and she didn't even come home with me; I couldn't sleep all night, 14 or 15, coming up from our basement bedroom, looking in the fridge but nothing looked interesting and I wasn't hungry, roamed around..., back downstairs, couldn't sit still, up to look in the refrigerator, still not hungry....

Sucked.

That's the negative effect of "blue-and-clears": Fastins (brand name they were called when handed out as diet pills), but I don't know about the spelling... And once I did Black Beauties--hated it; had hallucinations: God and Satan fighting over my soul--the speed then got into the part of my psych that held my biological Mom's social construction of reality regarding good and evil Entities, but God/good won, said clearly, calmly, 'she's mine.' Phew... (Never took speed pills again--don't have to say, do I?, that I never touched cocaine or crystal meth but those two times each, either.)

I never tried heroin, or acid--my head is too weird, where it goes, all on its own. I lied to my older sister though when I was 14 and 'said' I did blotter acid and went to see Tommy. She was in reform school. And I was trying to impress her, for a minute, with my not being, to her mind, such a pussy, so fast-forward to both of us (we're 21 months apart) at a first cousin's funeral:

This cousin, we both loved like a brother, but he loved me best. (Ha, ha, Deb.) And he was drunk, and broke his promise not to drive, killed two people who were on a motorcycle (he was in his pickup truck). He couldn't handle what he'd done, so he starved himself to death.

So my sister and I and our cousin's brothers and spouses... we're at a relative's house, after the funeral, and everyone, I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE BUT ME: all drunk off their asses... We're reminiscing, and once in a while someone gets up, goes out drunk, drives to get more beer (no one seeing the irony, far as I can tell but me--one beer is all I had that night),

and my sister starts bragging, calling me gullible and stupid because in the 80s, when she moved to a state I was living in (at my invitation, so I could help her get her shit together, so yeah, I was REALLY gullible--because she did her usual shit and I ended up helping her give up her son for adoption when I couldn't keep him every night away from her tying him to the bed, slapping him in the face, saying she hated his fuckin' guts, wished he'd never been born...),

and my older sister says, drunk after the funeral, "You were so gullible because I was shootin' dope, snorting coke..." and I'm looking at her and thinking, "What, was I supposed to think that about anyone; what, was I supposed to ask you to roll up your sleeves and let me have a look when I came over for visits?"

Then she says, to downgrade, for a moment, my Goody Two Shoes status (must have noticed I wasn't pounding the Budweisers), she says to me, in front of everybody, "You have to done acid--you did it when you were 14, I was in Parmadale... you went to see Tommy."

I laughed and looked her in the eye (who's gullible?): "I've never taken acid in my life. I lied to you. I've never seen Tommy either." (ha ha ha).

Years later, in my late 30s, I got pot from someone--and boy, has it changed: I hated it even more: my lungs hurt bad after two hits; my face felt rubbery, I was sort of out and in-body in a lousy, prolonged way, trying to make sense, feeling dissociative and disconnected from the morons who were laughing at stupid shit they were saying that they clearly thought--because they said made perfect, profound and funny sense..., and my lungs felt burned, like there was a burnt hole in one spot, for two days after... and I was kicking myself for doing it, for days after, too, but then the effects went away, and I'm fairly sure I won't try it ever again

because it's too intense, negative, just not my thing to be out-of-control, out-of-body, watching persons with low to average IQs--listening to them is even worse--for way too long..., and knowing that the effects of the drug on them and on me is not going to wear off fast enough to suit me, which would have been the second it hit the bottom of my lungs, backed up and burned my esophagus... (I was so mad at myself for doing something I had done before and hated EVERY TIME.)

Oh, I saw someone mention legal drugs like Vicadin, was comparing it to heroin, or said 'closest I ever got,' or something like that? So, OK, sure, had three wisdom teeth out under general anesthetic and ripped rib and calf muscle: Percocet, Vicadin: Took pain away; got me grouchy then pissed off. Didn't like the long-term (one week, at most, I took 'em) effect of those.

I avoid that 'din/'cet class of drugs now--tell docs to NOT give 'em to me for longer than absolutely necessary, so for torn calf muscle I took Percocet for three days and then relied on my standard meds (ten years on meds for anxiety, false-diagnosis turned out to be auto-immune diseases).

Someone asked--providing a link (I never look at links) and question: Are you an ectomorph? I am an extreme ectomorph, and while I do, definitely, think it explains 'some' of why I hated some of the drugs I have ingested: legal, illegal; for pain (psychic or physical, and so forth), I don't think ALL ectomorphs have the bad effects on ALL DRUGS because Aldoux Huxley was an ectomorph, many others, and Mr. Huxley LOVED LSD. (Just a thought or two.)

Significant or negative cognitive effects, I think, the OP asked? Well, sure, depending on drug, whether or not I ate, emotional state, was I on my period, how much I ingested, whether I took one or more together, how old I was...

Well, of course not, I could not 'actually; think as 'lucidly' but I was aware of that; that I could not 'cogitate' in what we usually mean when we say lucid but no one takes drugs--those mentioned in the poll--far as I know--to 'remain' or 'improve' sharpness.

Most of us take drugs for a variety of reasons; in a variety of settings; with a variety of people: to relax; go deeper into some psychic realm; because we're tired; think the drug will improve or prolong sex; we're depressed and want to numb out for a while; because we're suicidal and hope being 'out of it', as in 'out of touch with our misery' will keep us alive for a while longer--or because if we're 'out of it' when we won't feel the razor's sharp edge.

We do drugs to be social; to be anti-social (alcohol especially comes to mind, the guy at the end of the bar talking to no one; we do 'em with friends and even to make friends, or with those who are doing the drugs and rolling the doobies (my Mom, in my case, rolled joints so tight you couldn't smoke 'em--like balloons so tight you can't blow 'em up); we do 'em to 'blend in' or stand out; or 'just for fun'; or 'to see what'll happen'; and so on.

So, 'lucid', no. Mellower, sometimes--to a point, until too much, sort of pile-drive effect commences, and then we go to sleep, puke, take aspirin, pass out or get on with our obligations: off to work, school, whatever... and voila, no more negative cognitive or any other effect.

Course I didn't do much of some, and I did none of others. Check out my big sis, though, and you gotta say: she didn't start with enough in the cognitive sharp area; she couldn't afford to lose any function, to my mind. But whadda I know: I'm a dope :-o

My drug story: all true, some negatives, some positives: Real Life.

ombrenuit

07-18-2011, 10:45 PM

Haha, well nearly impossible to OD on it, so why not?

I've read impossible. You'd pass out before possibly being able to consume that much. The only physical way to do it would be injection - and who does that?

I think lows from cannabis are not necessarily a stress response, but more a response to synthetic source of serotonin. You're body stops producing it naturally, so when you stop use, naturally you get depressed until your body picks up the slack.

Also any tips for trying LSD or shrooms for the first time? I've read not to try them indoors. Is that true?

ness2361

07-18-2011, 10:55 PM

I've read impossible. You'd pass out before possibly being able to consume that much. The only physical way to do it would be injection - and who does that?

I think lows from cannabis are not necessarily a stress response, but more a response to synthetic source of serotonin. You're body stops producing it naturally, so when you stop use, naturally you get depressed until your body picks up the slack.

Also any tips for trying LSD or shrooms for the first time? I've read not to try them indoors. Is that true?

I had a good friend who tried shrooms ONE time--ended up threatening to jump from the roof of his dorm house, ended up that night in a psych ward, transferred to a mental hospital, stayed four months: lock-down, straight-jackets, Thorazine, the works. Turned out--stupid ass doctors were so blinded by the fact that he did 'shrooms they didn't THINK beyond that--

he was also a 'brittle diabetic', undiagnosed, 6' 2", dropped from 180 to 95lbs, almost died before an uncle, an M.D. said check out his blood for... and bingo, got him on insulin, stabilized (far as they could) and he was fine.

My point? If you're going to try 'shrooms, get a full physical first--unless 'shrooms ain't as powerful as they used to be, and then, whadda I know.

Ombrenuit: Yeah, someone I know took 'em, and he said 'outdoors, man--nature or something about the air, other natural things going on, make it better. His trip was happy--LOVED it, loved LIFE, no anger, just blissed out--but he was healthy, so I'm serious (mom instinct, can't help it), get a physical first.

bladeszcat

07-18-2011, 11:23 PM

I've read even marijuana can have detrimental effects, especially for someone like me.

Care to elaborate?

ness2361

07-18-2011, 11:48 PM

Problem with your theory, and I intentionally neglected to mention, is that I haven't smoked in 4 weeks. And when I did smoke 4 weeks ago, I had a joint, so it's completely out of my system now. I went 2 years without any problems because I was smoking weekly for one of those years and daily the other year. You may have had negative effects personally, but I've had nothing but positive effects. I use it to relax and go to sleep, relax and hang out with people, and relax and all around enjoy life. I've had an ongoing depression for almost 8 years, nothing has worked, that is until I found weed. It really is the miracle cure for some of us.

I can't validate that far as depression goes but I do know a man, about 55, who woke up one day--after standing his usual shift on cement as a newspaper stacker or something like that--and he couldn't straighten up, his hips hurt so bad and they were stuck... Doctors offered him pain pills which he hates, said don't work well (Vicadin and percocet) and he don't want the problems that go with 'em--not worth it for the pain relief, minimal, that he experiences.

So, he tried getting 'medical marijuana' but was turned down because he doesn't have cancer; isn't in chemo, or whatever the cancer criteria is..., and he is, his doctors, one after the other, said 'too young for hip replacement surgery' so he hooked up, IS hooked up with a dealer, strong weed, and he smokes it a few times a day, and he says, and it seems, other than the lack of functioning and the depression he battles over the hip degeneration itself, to significantly lessen his pain. Helps him cope, too, he says, with his mentally ill wife.

(I met her; I can see his point--she was hoarding cats, gonna throw out 'some more' into the dirt back yard, so I said I'd take 'em, foster them (five, counting the mother), and I did, but the only one kitten survived (from a viral and bacterial infection picked up from the stray father, passed on to the Mom and then kittens through breast milk. (We have him--Gizmo, a.ka. Hambone, a.k.a. Chunky Monkey, here in Utah with us now), and his Mom whom I took at night and got adopted--she survived, too.)

Anyway, I hated the effect and affects I experienced on pot but a lot of people say they experience it differently, better... and I believe 'some of them' because when I took cocaine and crystal meth (twice each) they didn't do a damn thing for me, other than give me that bitter aspirin-like drip in the back of my throat, but others swear by it, think I'm an odd-ball, not feeling any difference between before and after snorting it--and the people I did it with--a bartender and then a few women--all got off right away, WOW-HAPPY, I guess, while I say there thinking, 'this is IT; this is the SHIT I been hearing about for years???' And I felt left out and special, all at the same time: duality in all things...

Quite a few somebodies have told me I am not just odd but lucky. Maybe so, if the 'hook' happens with cocaine and crystal meth as soon and hard as so many say it did for them, then yes, I was lucky.

But this dude with the fucked up hips? He shouldn't have to get his pot from a dealer, killer price, feel bad because it's illegal: he should--he's on Disability now--get it legit, reduced price, until (soon!) they give him the hip replacement he needs. Shit, who cares if he's 55 and he'll most likely have to have the hip replaced 'again'? He may not be alive then, you know: 'later on' does not come for a lot of us. But NOW, when it hurts unnecessarily, as it does for this 55-year-old guy, is plainly, purely immoral.

larrysb

07-19-2011, 12:54 PM

I have a schizoid personality and small symptoms of schizophrenia so taking a drug like marijuana could potentially be extremely harmful to me. It seems to me like the majority of INTJ posters on this forum either really like drugs or really dislike drugs. For those who dislike drugs: Do you fit the description of an ectomorph on To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ?

Don't like drugs. I drink alcohol, but not for the intoxication. I like fine wines, some beers and some specific cocktails. I don't mind the sense of relaxation that comes with small amounts of alcohol. I dislike being tipsy.

I exhibit more of the personality traits of Ectonia, but have an endo-mesomorph body shape.

burntumber

07-19-2011, 11:59 PM

teens to early 20s I smoked pot, mushrooms, tried acid and salvia, coke.

I grew up in a small town that didn`t have access to things at times, so we got high on things like cough syrup and gravol(dremamine)

after awhile I started seeking out things at the health food store to indulge in. Kava, calea, mugwort, wormwood, nutmeg.

today I just drink rum and wine, which really isn`t any better. it`s just legal, socially acceptable and more available.

creativestrike

07-20-2011, 02:07 AM

Marijuana: Tried it. Didn't like it. A couple of times that I did it, I almost fainted, and once I had a panic attack from it. But now it's years later and I still smoke it on the veeery rare occasion if offerred and for some reason feel in the mood for it. Happens about once every year or two. I don't have any bad experiences with it anymore.

Alcohol: First starting drinking at parties that happened every once in a while when I was 15 years old. It was a little rare for me to drink at that age because of the limited amount of people over 21 that I knew. I only had one friend who's mom would buy it for us :P

At around ages 18-20, it was waaay easier to get it, so I drank at parties. The first time I ever threw up from alcohol was at my 19th birthday party. I hadn't eaten enough that day and didn't realize that I kept taking birthday shots with everyone that arrived. I completely lost count (haven't done that since)! Also, I discovered my limit is 6 shots of liquor. It's sad, I know :( but at least it's cheaper :p

21st b-day, didn't go barhopping, and didn't throw up. I went to a bar that was nearby and popular with my friends and had a good time :)

Now that I'm of age, drinking has become less appealling. I still like it, and I go to the bar a lot with my friends, but if I wasn't asked/begged to go to the bar, I can go months without it. The months that I usually go without it are pretty much a semester long :P gotta study!

Cocaine: I tried it, but didn't like it. I tried it a second time and still didn't like it. The second time it made my heart beat to fast and freaked me out. I was young and stupid, so I think I'm pretty damn lucky that I didn't like it :P I have a family member who's a coke-addict so I'm surprise I didn't get addicted to it.

Tobacco: Tried it a few times. Don't think I ever finished a full cigarette. I never saw the appeal and I don't like the physical act of smoking in general. Lucky me :)

Mushrooms: Tried them once. I didn't feel anything for a while, then I got up to go downstairs for something and it sort of felt like I was drunk. The lights were pretty. :p Then maybe an hour into it I got a MASSIVE headache/migraine/worst feeling pain in the entire world. I have no idea what the deal was, but it felt like my skull was splitting in half. So I guess I'm sort of conditioned not to do them again, and haven't wanted to since. :p

Salvia: tried it a billion times with friends. Experiences ranged from good, awful, boring, exciting, to confusing. Well, confusion existed with every experience. I always do it with a group of friends so we can talk about what we saw/thought we saw.

Zolo

07-20-2011, 03:34 AM

I've only had tobacco and alcohol. I've smoked off and on from age 18, but I haven't had a cig in a good 6 months. Even when I did smoke, I only had 1-2 per day.
I drink, but not very often. Usually I'll have a beer or a White Russian on the rare occasion I go to a bar.
I don't plan on trying anything else. My half-sister died from drugs. I probably shouldn't even be drinking with all the rampant alcoholism in my family... Oh well.

NovXI

07-20-2011, 04:12 PM

Marijuana - Once every couple of months. I like it, it's very calming and makes me feel nostalgic. I don't mind that I'm not thinking completely clearly, I like to shut my brain up every once in a while. I smoke it socially or by myself every few weeks if I'm excessively stressed or anxious about something. I'd be happy just smoking this instead of any other drug with all the strains available. It'll never become an every day or every week kind of thing.

Alcohol and Tobacco - Socially at parties. I don't like them much.

The only other drug I'd consider taking is LSD but I don't want to move from drug to drug.

Betamax

07-20-2011, 07:09 PM

Drugs are good M'ckay!

Well the lower end at least. I haven't tried anything higher than "E" on the scale of feel goods.

I can speak to marijuana being a great thing for being an INTJ. It makes me more thoughtful, caring, open, and understanding. It makes being an INTJ enjoyable, I'm able to connect with people of different personalities easily.

Guess it comes down to the individuals body, because I'm tolerant of most drugs (like aspirin to penicillin), and I'm highly functioning in society.

EDIT: I don't see a lack of mental output, I score higher on tests. You guys should watch "Super High me" same thing happens to him.

sevans

07-20-2011, 07:38 PM

TheStranger

07-20-2011, 08:15 PM

Care to elaborate?

No, except to say not everyone will respond the same way psychologically to the same drug.

k2sk8k2

07-20-2011, 10:05 PM

Heh, you wouldn't believe how much my buddy and I were smoking in a single night if I told you. Which I won't... It's honestly not something I'm proud of but we did it for science.

I smoked an ounce of high grades (kush) between me an my other friend within 8 hours. And thats not the most iv'e smoked in a day. only scientific result I got was I no longer get the giggles as being Too high to many times gives you control over It so sadly I am now normal when High and normal when not, difference being I feel hazy nothing more nothing less -_- time to stop smoking weed

freeeekyyy

07-20-2011, 10:12 PM

I drink fairly regularly, smoke tobacco a couple times a year, and have used marijuana two times.

NicolasD

07-22-2011, 03:57 PM

Interesting to see that a lot of you guys react to natural THC with anxiety. I didn’t know it was that common.

As for me, in my teenage years, I recall having the mindset of “I want to try all of them once”. Sadly, I didn’t prevail. But I’ve managed to try a few worth mentioning:

Cannabis: Weed also always made me anxious, to the point that it paralysed me in social situations (in retrospect: maybe hyper introversion). Needless to say I didn’t smoke for a long time, smell nice though.

LSD: This was by far my favourite. It heighten my senses and brain activity, at least that how it felt. In a party with loud music while being half-drunk on top of it, I could follow 4 or 5 conversations at the same time, while participating in another one. Furthermore, it sort of boosted my creativity, and it literally felt like I had all the solutions to fix the world. Hell, maybe some of those would had actually work, or maybe I was just fucked up. Still I believe if this drug could be harnessed purposefully, great things could come out of that (has it probably has many times).

Cocaine: Ahhh cocaine, became my new fav as soon as I tried it (only once mind you); now I understand it’s probably because I have ADD, and low level dopamine levels. I stay away from it though, as I’ve seen what it can do your health and net worth, pretty quickly.

Acid: I did a trip once which in retrospect I think left me out permanently damaged (or altered my brain somehow). The trip was unreal, it was as if reality had become “dream like”, the music was making the room dance (and I mean literally the room, the walls and ceiling), people talking to me were echoes, plants were alive, trees were talking to me; everything had morphed into one conscious entity (closest I’ve been to God, or the Devil, depending how you want to see it, kidding btw). Eventually it turned dark though… all the way dark, somehow I started running away believing the cops we’re chasing me, so I took the road less travelled, the fields. I ended running and walking for hours until the sun came up, and until eventually I got back home exhausted.

From that point on, I think it flip some kind of a paranoia switch inside my brain that never got away. For real, if you are prone to anxiety or paranoia or schizophrenia, I would stay away from that one. Since well, if I'd have found the proper tool, I would had killed myself that night.

Nowadays, I’m mostly anti-drug, meaning I don’t personally use drugs up until recently when I started medications.

Although, I’m all for all drugs legalization for what I see as obvious reasons now, but somehow not so obvious to the masses. When thinking about it though, it’s probably political, and the reasons drugs are kept illegal are probably completely different from those advertised.

Simply put, humans will always seek easy shortcuts for whatever; meaning people will use drugs weather they are legal or not if they decide to. It’s usually easier for kids to get drugs than alcohol, we all know this. Trying to win by fighting the system, by fighting human nature? It doesn’t work, it’s a losing game. And somehow, we all know that too.

Embrace it instead, by publicly legalizing all drugs and thus having more control over them, this will cut the margins low enough that organized crime will have to recycle (this takes time). Use the profits for rehab centers, and “dope cafés”, where it will easier to manage overdoses and addicts. Use the stats to know who’s prone to abuse, and maybe do some prevention. Help drug users instead of making them “criminals”. Reinvest “drug-war” funds as well.

Downside? More people will consume drugs if they are legal? Maybe but so what. First it will controlled and better quality, and second, that’s each and everybody choice. They call it freedom I think. Also you either consume for recreation or medication, if it’s the latter its better someone knows about it for both you and others. But here again, use the profits to educated kids/people about drugs and their consequences, instead of dumbly labelling them as “bad”, or “illegal”. It might work better, but that just an idea.

Anyhow, I’m sure we could go on and on about the positive repercussions of drug legalization. Maybe it’s just me though. But that’s another topic.

sevans

07-22-2011, 04:04 PM

...Needless to say I didn’t smoke for a long time, smell nice though.

Lol, this phrase right here, this is the almost absolute way to discretely say you like weed or have at least smoked it. A cop ever tells you, "I like the smell", yeah he was a stoner in high school or college. Haha.