What is "unforgivable" to you?

[Beery Swine]

These quotes by thegnat in The ethics of killing animals thread got me thinking about this issue.

Euthanasia: To end suffering, absolutely for it. For example, Eight Belles, a racehorse (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) broke both her front ankles on the track. She was euthanized. She couldn't have lived well no matter how hard they tried to save her. Animals that aren't savable who are living poor poor lives, I hate to say it, but I'm for euthanasia.

Animal Cruelty: Unforgivable.
Aren't there already groups that penalize animal cruelty? I'm not calling killing them for food, cruelty. I'm calling mistreating them and making them suffer while living, cruelty. I would absolutely punish people who are cruel to their animals. But I'm not a law maker nor enforcer nor law student. So I wouldn't be able to place a specific punishment for something specific. But IMHO animal cruelty is unforgivable.

So, here's a completely open-ended question and discussion thread on what you think is unforgivable, whether legally speaking or having to do with relationships or otherwise. Just make sure you specify the context.

I'm not entirely sure that this shouldn't be in the Sociology forum, so if it ends up there, I guess it does.

[Mozzes]

How about, to be unwilling to forgive is unforgivable?

[Beery Swine]

I mean to each individual person, what crimes, sins, personal insults, etc. are unforgivable to you.

[Danisty]

How about, to be unwilling to forgive is unforgivable?Well, I guess that means I'm screwed. I don't believe in forgiveness. If you've done something minor, you don't need to be forgiven, so I don't forgive. If you've done something major, I'm just going to hold it against you for the rest of your life. Honestly, though, if you don't want to forgive me for that, I don't care.

[Mozzes]

Well, I guess that means I'm screwed. I don't believe in forgiveness. If you've done something minor, you don't need to be forgiven, so I don't forgive. If you've done something major, I'm just going to hold it against you for the rest of your life. Honestly, though, if you don't want to forgive me for that, I don't care.

What's major and what's minor to you? Are they predefined or do you know it when you see it?

[Jakalwarrior]

In a relationship, cheating
In life, un-provoked murder or being born with ASPD
In driving, going the speed limit or lower when im running late (J/K)

[Antares]

Nothing is unforgivable. I'm done with getting mad over people who aren't worth it. I forgive them so they will not affect me.

[replicant]

I don't necessarily forgive. I just move on. If it's a big enough offense, you are out of my life. I won't see, listen, or speak to you. This is a rare thing for me and has only happened on a few occasions. One was my first boyfriend, I kicked him to the curb for being a lying, inconsistent jerk. I kicked another friend to the curb because he tried to manipulate me and turn me against my husband-to-be.

Unforgiveable and bootable offenses
- Consistent Lying and not petty white lies
- Violence (not into it and don't want it in my life)
- Racist speech (I do not tolerate racism or other forms hate such as that)
- Cheating
- Murder
- Sexual Harassment
- Specific Abusive Behavior
- Animal Abuse/Cruelty

[ssrprotege]

I tend to ignore them or 'shoo' them off with flippant, skeptical remarks. I don't think I forgive often. I will list some specific offences that I find it unforgiving.

- cheating (especially changing what he said before)
- any sex-related crimes
- racism (You do once or twice, that's equivalent to three strikes)
- murder, batteries, assaults, pedophiles

[Elfrun]

I'm gonna be lazy and say 'see ssr above' ^ ^

I would add cruelty to animals and specifically mention abusing children, completely unforgivable.

[mkay]

I think the only thing I couldn't forgive would be someone killing me, and that's only because I'd be dead, so not be capable of forgiving at that point. (I don't believe in an afterlife.) Otherwise, I think I could get around to forgiving anything. I have a philosophical outlook (not claiming to be deep; I'm just able to be "removed," to see things very impersonally). ... That doesn't mean I'm gonna stick around and take abuse. Just means if you abuse me, I can walk away from it and not carry it around with me. It would take me much more effort to create/hold a grudge than it would take to forgive someone. That's just how I'm wired.

[Beery Swine]

Well, now that there's a few responses I guess I'll put in my 2 cents.

Legally I think the only unforgiable crime should be 1st degree murder of an innocent (of 1st dgree murder) person, possibly the attempt of such.

In relationships, I'm not sure, I guess abuse (in all its forms), a big violation of trust (outing someone as gay for instance, or theft), that's all I can think of right now.

In sexual relationships the above plus infidelity.

Also, I don't define physical abuse as hitting someone or getting rough with someone once in an extremely tense situation, that's just one mistake, but if a pattern develops, that's it, no questions asked.

If we manage to significantly increase human lifespan, namely to "indefinite" lengths, some of these may need revision. After all, people can change, especially given hundreds of years in which to do so.

[AutisticCuckoo]

Killing. Since there is no evidence of an afterlife or of reincarnation, I have to assume that we only get on go at it. That makes life the most prized possession we've got, and to take it away from someone is unforgivable. (And yes, that includes the death penalty in my opinion.)

Abusing a position of strength or power: humans being cruel to animals; adults abusing children; men using violence against women; an employer taking advantage of an employee; et cetera.

Dishonesty is also way up there for me. In some instances it can be unforgivable.

[Caesar]

Well, it's basically all been said already.
- secual crimes (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
- extreme violence/killing (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
- intentional animal cruelty
- adults abusing children
....and on a more personal level - cheating/big-time lying.



Killing. Since there is no evidence of an afterlife or of reincarnation, I have to assume that we only get on go at it. That makes life the most prized possession we've got, and to take it away from someone is unforgivable. (And yes, that includes the death penalty in my opinion.)


"Killing"....one would assume that you're talking about animals too.

[Homini Lupus]

An unforgiving approach is not efficient for most iterated problems. And living inside a society is an iterated problem. If I know I'll never be forgiven I do whaterver abuse I want since that wouldn't change my situation anymore so a "this for that" approach is best for most situations, unless the bad behaviour is bound to appear again and again.

You make a mistake, you pay, you get a new (maybe limited) occasion.

[AutisticCuckoo]

"Killing"....one would assume that you're talking about animals too.
I thought about that aspect as I wrote my post, but I couldn't find a way to elaborate without making it an epic of War & Peace proportions. :)

I'm not against killing animals for food. Humans are omnivores and killing and eating other animals is perfectly natural – some animals kill and eat other animals, too.

I think that this killing should be done as 'humanely' as possible, though, as I'm firmly opposed to cruelty.

There are other circumstances where killing animals must be accepted: wildlife control after we humans f'ed up the natural balance; protecting humans from man-eating predators, for instance.

I don't think twice about swatting mosquitoes or horseflies (anything that wants to drink my blood is fair game). But I'll always try to capture spiders or wasps inside my house and release them alive and unharmed, if possible.

[Caesar]

I'm not against killing animals for food. Humans are omnivores and killing and eating other animals is perfectly natural – some animals kill and eat other animals, too. (And yes, that includes the death penalty in my opinion.)

The "ability" to eat anything doesn't make it acceptable as a matter of course, does it? (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)


That makes life the most prized possession we've got, and to take it away from someone is unforgivable.
I think that this killing should be done as 'humanely' as possible, though, as I'm firmly opposed to cruelty.

Forgive me if I don't exactly follow. ;)

[AutisticCuckoo]

Forgive me if I don't exactly follow. ;)
It's easy: if we don't kill animals and eat them, we starve to death. (At least I would.) Thus it becomes a matter of priority: my life or the life of a cow. And I must admit I'm a bit selfish in this area. :)

[Danisty]

A lot of people think that not forgiving someone takes a lot of effort or energy or something. Not forgiving someone doesn't take any effort for me at all and I don't have to put any energy into it. I just decide I'm not going to forgive you and it's over. Forigiving is what takes effort and energy. Why should I put in the effort to forgive? Just so I can move on? I can do that without forgiving someone.

[Antares]

The difference between animals eating meat and us eating meat, is that meat is actually very hard to come by for them, and they have to eat them to survive. Us on the other hand, I think all of us non-vegetarians here have eaten meat to excess; beyond what we need. Now I call that a waste of meat, and ultimately, a waste of animal life (a three-ounce chicken breast is all the meat we need in one day, according to my health teacher). The thing is, animals eat them for survival. Eat or die. We eat them for our personal enjoyment; the survival factor weighs very little.

[Seppuku Savant]

-Sexual Crimes
-Murder
-Betrayal
-Infidelity

[Nihilum]

With friends, assuming I'm a fool and acting like an ass-over and over again.

This happened recently. I put up with it for a month or 2 and then told him to leave me alone.

[ClydeB]

I am not one to forgive. But I also do not sweat the small stuff. So it usually has to be something fairly major that pisses me off to get to that unforgivable stage. Can't really quantify the specific acts because intentions and the person doing the act play into it as well.

[yellow5]

Defacing or destroying something dear to someone else. Keep your damn hands to yourself!

[Antares]

It's easy: if we don't kill animals and eat them, we starve to death. (At least I would.)

Oh. Then I suppose vegetarians secretly eat meat.

I'm not against killing animals for food. Humans are omnivores and killing and eating other animals is perfectly natural – some animals kill and eat other animals, too. (And yes, that includes the death penalty in my opinion.)

Appealing to nature fallacy. Would you be ok with a shark eating a human? Because they're built for eating meat too.

[PRBori]

I can forgive, but not forget... at the end I always try to understand the reason behind it and move on. In most instances, I completely cut the relationship in every sense of the way. Depending on the person, I may plan a silent revenge... nothing illegal, just a way for payback in a legal way... not physically either

Things that will impact anger if the person crosses my path even after I have forgiven them would be:

- Physical, Emotional, and Mental abuse whether it is to my kids or myself or someone else
- Lack of respect for those close to me (i.e, my kids, my parents, my sister, brother, or any family member that I care for)
- Lack of respect for others, specially elderly people
- Lack of respect for values I deeply care about
- Animal Abuse
- Murder of a family member or close individual in my life

Although I can forgive the individual for doing the above, I cannot see his face ever again because the anger will still be there. And I must said, there has being only ONE person in my life that reached that level, is not an easy to reach level... it tends to accumulate for years before I explode in such a way.

The bottom line is that I can easily forgive someone, but I will never ever forget all the pain the person has caused for me or those close to me. I do not re-live the pain, but I use it as a way to pave my life in a way that the above is never repeated.

I do not live in the past... I plan for the future using past experiences, but I live day-by-day without worrying about the past or the future, because neither one is at my reach. One cannot be changed, the other is uncertain....

[OmegaPsi]

Oh. Then I suppose vegetarians secretly eat meat.



Appealing to nature fallacy. Would you be ok with a shark eating a human? Because they're built for eating meat too.

I suppose it would be 'ok'? Would I enjoy someone being eaten by a shark? I suppose that depends on the person, but thats beside the point. But in general no, I would not feel good about someone being eaten by a shark. Though, the fact that sharks are built for meat eating, and we are meat, I would consider it natural thus 'ok'. (putting aside the point that humans aren't naturally in a sharks habitat..)

What would I consider unforgivable?

Murder of my family would probably be the biggest one.
Unjust betrayal.

[Antares]

I suppose it would be 'ok'? Would I enjoy someone being eaten by a shark? I suppose that depends on the person, but thats beside the point. But in general no, I would not feel good about someone being eaten by a shark. Though, the fact that sharks are built for meat eating, and we are meat, I would consider it natural thus 'ok'. (putting aside the point that humans aren't naturally in a sharks habitat..)


I feel justified being a non-vegetarian because I would be ok with this going both ways; humans eat animals just because they can; animals eat humans just because they can. Even if I had the power, I won't penalize the human for eating the animal nor will I penalize the animal for eating the human. I don't like eating one another for enjoyment; the other party does not eat humans for enjoyment, at least not that we know of.

[theshiz777]

Everything is forgivable

[Cenomite]

Using another solely to manipulate events in your favor

Being cruel for the sake of being cruel

Any feeling that resembles or could manifest into a resemblance of a dislike of football.

[Snowdragon]

Being controlled and having my space invaded. I don't take kindly to people who control me to the point where they tell me how to vote, dress, wear my hair, think (and the list goes on). I hate micro-managers.

[Frodis]

Forgiving something/someone requires that first you must've felt anger, bitterness or resentment about the act/person. I try not to let anything affect me to that degree...therefore I cannot usually forgive, since there's no resentment or anger to let go of in the first place.

Not saying that I'm perfect, just that I try not to let others viewpoints or behaviors negatively impact my life, my feelings of worth and my peace of mind. I surely get annoyed or irritated at many of the things mentioned above.

The only things I can imagine causing me bitterness and anger for an extended period of time would be murder (of someone close to me) or animal/child abuse. Even then, there are some circumstances (e.g., mental illness, immaturity) where I can see forgiving the perpetrator. For example, I know a relative that killed a kitten by sticking a pencil in its rear end (rupturing its intestines, I imagine). However, this happened when she was a little girl, and children often don't understand the consequences of their actions. I was incensed when I heard about this, but it was a fleeting emotion. I suppose I technically "forgave" her, but really I didn't ever hold it against her in the first place.

So in short, nothing is unforgivable.

[Freedom Geek]

Using coercion on someone else to a large degree such as murder or rape or conscription. Believing you know how to live someone's life better than they do is one thing. Acting (using force) is another entirely.

Holding back technological progress using force. Every day the future is held back more preventable suffering occurs. Luddite and reactionary fears hurt our civilization all too often, in time the technology they are trying to hold back will get through but the damage will have already been done.

[rewhu]

I cannot forgive habitual manipulators.

[BlackMita]

Nothing is unforgivable. Although torture comes pretty close.

[PeterIMC]

unforgivable: Making your self look better by putting everybody around you down. I absolutely hate that.

If you wanna look better than the rest, make sure you are better than the rest.

[mplogue]

Censorship.

[BostonIan]

I don't think anything is unforgivable. To me, people are machines that can just break sometimes. Part of the problem is that I think we're all too wrapped up in the idea of the individual. If you look at trees, all trees are different yet all trees are the same. If a tree rots and falls over, it's not a betrayal, "oh, that horrible tree", it's just a failled tree. Firewood, maybe, if you're the churchy type.

On the other hand, actions have do have consequences, so there's a whole list of unmentionables that would cause me to feed a person to sharks. Also, for less serious things, I could permanently end a relationship with them, never loan them money again, etc.

[FreeFall]

forgiving is a choice, it also the difference between living empowered and disempowered

[Thunderstrat13]

Well, I guess that means I'm screwed. I don't believe in forgiveness. If you've done something minor, you don't need to be forgiven, so I don't forgive. If you've done something major, I'm just going to hold it against you for the rest of your life. Honestly, though, if you don't want to forgive me for that, I don't care.

I'm like this too.I can't truly forgive.

[vertex]

abusing my trust

i see a lot of people saying killing...but imo that all depends on the situation.
If your friend was getting robbed and he killed the robber with lets say a steeringlock, I would still be his friend.

If however he broke into the house of an old lady and killed her for no reason, id hand em in to the authorities and scratch him of the old friend list.

[Jest18]

Very intreresting answers and I could agree with almost any of them,especially murder,abuse of any kind,but before taking into consideration my answer,look here

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. <--- here everyone so diligently discuss what is morality and can be murder( which most of you pointed out as unforgivable) moral. Our forgiveness or unforgiveness is just our emotions that can be changed through time as well.Something which is unforgivavle to you,can be quite appropriate to others and thats why for this simple reason all sorts of murder and abuse exist in our world. My question will be simple as well :-) If you know that person who kills is doing it for the sake of other person( or for any good reason,which can be moral)will you look over your conviction and concede 'the unforgivable action' as forgivable?

[blckprljinju]

For me personally, I'd say that breaking my trust in such a way that it would be impossible for me to overlook them would be an "unforgivable"... but what I usually end up doing is just ending it and never communicating with them again.

Socially, rapists and child molesters would never be forgiven in my book. If they really wanted to do it, they should find a prostitute and spend the money, and children, they're not even capable of such a thing yet in terms of biological and psychological development. Unforgivable.

[Josephine1012]

Interesting question.

I don't believe it is my place to judge, hence it can not be my place to forgive. I can not know everything, hence the actual act of forgiveness is a strange concept to me, since it makes it appear as if I'm in a position to do so.

On the other hand, people's actions naturally result in my selection of friends and associations, and more importantly those whom I'm willing to help. People who have done things that were listed in a lot of responses as unforgivable will most likely not make it into my circle of friends. Other than that, I'm not a vigilante and I'm not the long arm of the law. I'm glad those institutions are available for our protection but I do not want to personally take part in it.

[bluevelvet]

do not touch the vulnerables: children, old people, disabled and animals.

[PeterIMC]

unforgivable,..... what does that mean anyway?

I have been thinking about this some more and basically, the whole concept of forgiving and unforgiving is irrelevant to me.

When you forgive somebody, it means he did something that was not acceptable and then you say: oh well, it's ok, you won't be punished. That's like mercy and thus not justice.

It basically means that you say to that person: You don't have to take responsibility for your action(s). That's not acceptable.

I guess you'll say something is unforgivable when there is no punishment that can compensate for the action.

[Zhen]

people who lie and cheat in matters of consequence.

[jadefalcon]

Its not so much unforgiveness, but dishonesty. All things can be forgiven, but with me I usually leave something open and forget about it. Taking human life unnecessarily (terrorists *cough*) is practically unforgiveable. You can probably understand what I mean by that statement, but it is forgiveable if someone were to misconstrue that statement.

[WayBehind]

Breaking a promise and then acting like it's not a big deal. I understand that sometimes you have to break one, but in such a case I expect the promise-breaker to profusely apologize and offer to make up for it in some way.

[John F Kennedy]

I don't really know what forgiveness is, or "not forgivng". However, I'm kind of negatively surprised how just being a defective person can get you into "unforgiven" mode with many of the people on this forum.

[Fryman58]

I will forgive anyone, but just because I forgive you does not mean i have to like you or that everything is the same.

If a person does something bad I will forgive them. However, I will lose faith in them and stop caring. No one should be privilege to my hate. Meaning that the amount of energy I put into hating is stupid, pointless, and the person does not deserve my attention.

[Reganon]

It is not my place to forgive or judge others. They are the ones who have to live with themselves and what they've done. This is not to say that I don't judge them anyways. Every action alters how I consider and deal with a person, and certain actions do not deserve second chances:

Murder, torture, rape, child abuse...

[Zombicide]

Forgive. . . I've never really quite understood what any of that crap even means. People talk about it and I don't get it, it's just pretentious.

Nothing is forgivable / everything is forgivable. It depends on the sincerity of remorse, it depends on the excuse, it depends on it fading with time and most of all it's not a choice to forgive them, I either do or I don't, if I've reason to, then I probably will, there's no particular infraction that's unforgivable and I'll be magnanimous where I am, particularly when it's functional.

I'm technically vengeful I suppose but mostly just in the sense that it functionally incents cutting invocative defects off from the gene pool. The general concept of an act being literally unforgivable is counter productive, illogical, religious and hypocritical.

Well, I suppose in a sense, the nature of a person can be unforgivable because after all it's their very nature that's at fault.

[Firebrand]

Lying, cheating, or betraying trust. I've gotten into serious fistfights due to these things. I have not one shred of compassion for anyone who does these things to me. They should've thought of the implications of their actions ahead of time.

[Jack]

Things I find unforgivable.

Adultery
Murder
Misdiagnosis of a mental/medical condition that would stigmatize.
Manipulation of thoughts

[Outdoorwhale]

This thread is kinda funny. I've worked in a kennel for four years and you would be surprised how many dogs have been abused and let suffer...yet it is so unforgivable to most people.

As for me, no forgiveness. Once I deem someone a hazardous person I cut them out of my life forever. I am not risking my life and the lives of those around me just to please and make 1 person feel better. I'll take little things since I don't really care unless they pile up, no one is perfect. It would be pointless though to go into specifics about how I view things since its complex and part of what I believe.

Then again I am an unemotional person so its easy for me.

[Arminius]

I can forgive someone if I love them or they seem sincere in their remorse. Doesn't mean I will trust them afterwards. Instead I will try to keep them away from whatever provoked the original breach of trust. They have already proven themselves to be weak in that area, it is therefore best to keep them away from temptation.

The things I can't forgive are willful betrayal, rape, and pedophiles who act on their urges. In my opinion, people who do the latter two should be shot, and in certain circumstances(treason), so should people who do the first. In lesser cases(example: cheating on significant other), the relationship should be broken off.

[ChangeGonnaCome]

I don't know, I feel like most people honestly don't care about forgiveness anyway.

[PeterIMC]

I don't know, I feel like most people honestly don't care about forgiveness anyway.

Actually, I think most people are forgiving all the time. How often do you just let something pass even though you didn't like what was done or said? But I guess this feels more like not caring than it does like forgiving. But how big is that difference anyway?

[daydreamer]

from someone i know? (thankfully, i don't know murderers or rapists.) consistent manipulation, abuse, dismissiveness or neglect, greed, close-mindedness. i can forgive impulses resulting in such, but if the person presents a pattern, i will distance myself.

[joydove]

Any trauma inflicted upon a child, the elderly or those with a physical/mental impairment that leaves them at the mercy of others.

[erkaer]

Intentionally and unnecessarily causing harm to a feeling being. The only commandment I believe in. More or less an abstract of what others have said so far.

[Zombicide]

I do not necessarily know what forgiveness means to others but semantically regarding the word I am referring to, there is nothing that is literally unforgivable, forgiveness isn't a choice, you either forgive or you do not. In fact, for a time you may forgive someone for something in that your anguish toward them has subsided but it may also reoccur. This isn't something subjective to me btw, I am asserting that the same is true for everyone who believes there are unforgivable acts, the lability of your brain chemistry will do what it will, the most one can have is psychological certainty that they will not forgive, one does not get to decide. The concept of an act being unforgivable is over signified. There are things listed here that I am certain the posters of are completely and ironically full of **** regarding e.g. lying? All of your children will inevitably lie to you (they're practically designed to) and you will quite effortlessly forgive them as you will undoubtedly forgive yourself for hypocritically lying about lying.

PS: note that I am not necessarily arguing whether or not one should forgive someone, I was simply making a point about how one does not get to literally decide what they will or will not forgive someone for. In fact, I believe there are circumstances to which it may be possible that someone should not be so magnanimous. Whether someone should or should not forgive was not my point.

[mutebim]

can't forgive people who intentionally slay other human beings... except those who are fulfilling this saying "an eye for an eye" those would be the judges. Besides the crime of taking away life, all other things I can forgive if I know what I am being told is the TRUTH. and yes that includes even cheating in relationships... although that would also depend on many other factors which will most likely make it impossible for me to forgive.

[LaoTzu]

I will forgive anyone, but just because I forgive you does not mean i have to like you or that everything is the same.

If a person does something bad I will forgive them. However, I will lose faith in them and stop caring. No one should be privilege to my hate. Meaning that the amount of energy I put into hating is stupid, pointless, and the person does not deserve my attention.


Couldn't have said it any better...

[phantasma]

I personally make it a point to forgive everyone. Just because someone wrongs me or someone else doesn't mean I should carry mental baggage for their sake. They may or may not rectify what they have done, but that's not my problem.

However, there are things I won't tolerate.

Willful ignorance
random killing/violence
murder
abuse of people and/or animals
compulsive liars

[bugfrag]

I do not necessarily know what forgiveness means to others but semantically regarding the word I am referring to, there is nothing that is literally unforgivable, forgiveness isn't a choice, you either forgive or you do not. point.


I agree with you about the part where there is nothing that is literally unforgivable.
However, Forgiveness IS a choice. To forgive is not to forget.
It is impossible to forget an unforgivable act. If someone cannot "forgive" someone, then they would remember it forever. Try to find an occasion where a person have not forgive someone but forget the opposite party's fault.
It is unthinkable (unless it's a brain damage problem which is a whole different matter).

A person can only forget another party's fault after they forgive them, because those thoughts/memory are no longer enforced.
Forgetting something comes only after the memory becomes low priority, which means that the particular act has been forgiven.

But that does not mean that you can't forgive and not forget.

[rokar]

-Anyone who abuses a child
-Anyone who abuses an animal
-Random killing/violence

[HeyZeus]

I don't think my forgiveness has any particular value. That said, child abusers/molesters are the lowest human lifeform in my book. I shan't forgive them, even if they are compelled by some mutant gene to engage in hurting children.

Hypocritical elitists are particularly annoying, e.g. Al Gore's $10K/month energy consumption at his residence, which he counteracts by purchasing carbon offsets. Big of you to offset the emissions Al, but what about the consumption? Rock bands that harp about the environment, then fly worldwide on concert tours that have the particular benefit to humanity of making the band members richer (yes Radiohead, I'm talking about you, but I still love you).

[ercaras]

I have never experienced not forgiving anyone so far. Maybe I will in the future. I used to think everything is forgivable. But if so, then what's the purpose of hell? Maybe acts can be forgiven as person to person is concerned. But the person who does the bad things repeatedly cannot be forgiven by some law or something. Maybe that's justice. Or is it? Im confused (as usual)

[Urania]

Personal gain at all costs.
Unforgivable.

[Broken Mind]

I do not forgive anything, because all the guilt and desire for forgiveness will never erase the actions done. I also do not hold a grudge, there are more important things than what has already happened. Remorse is wasteful in my eyes, it changes nothing and if i need help i will still get the best help no matter what they have done as long as i can ensure whatever they did will not happen again. Preferably by keeping a close watch.

[True Rune]

I don't know. I see strength in forgiveness. But there are things that would incite anger on my end, and I don't know what would happen.

[Aurelia]

Technically, according to my Christian faith, I should be able to forgive anyone of anything. Then I think of the worst case scenario. Would I be able to forgive someone who shot and killed my husband then took my son and sexually assaulted him? (Recent news, click on link:
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Would I really be able to forgive that person from my heart? I don't know that I could. I know that forgiveness does not mean that I condone the other persons behavior. Forgiveness would probably take a lifetime. Honestly, I don't know that I could forgive him even if he were convicted and put in prison or tortured to death. It's hard to say unless you're put in that extreme situation.

[nuloki]

What you do yourself, or more specifically, what remains etched in your memory.

[Ender]

In theory nothing is completely unforgivable for me. In my mind, even the crazed murderer should be forgiven before they're put down (if they're too dangerous to society...). In reality, I'm probably just as much of a grudge-holding petty person as the next guy.

[dbpeege]

Nothing. I don't really reflect on the past a ton. I beleive people are simply made up by physiological psychological and environmental aspects. It would be illogical to blame them for any of those things so I blame them for nothing. However I do respond to situations regardless.

[Eleanor]

Holding anger in your heart gives someone else power over you. Forgive and be free.

When I think of what a flawed person I am, I only hope that I will be forgiven.