Adornment? Jewelry and stuff.

[notoppings]

Do you wear any?

I don't wear any rings necklaces or watches, neither earrings or nose rings, I've never had the desire to wear a watch or bracelet I do not Bling.

I don't know why but I think it has to do with being raised on a farm always mucking in something dirty so your watches and rings would get ruined and you could be seriously hurt if your necklace came into contact with the wrong bit of machinery. Also I can't stand constriction not even a tight belt.

So what do you wear? and why do you wear it?

[Elfrun]

Nope, nothing glittery here. It gets in my way, ironically one of my sisters is a jeweller by trade so I have the ability to get some pretty neat-o stuff but wearing it bugs me too much so jewellery is only adorned on special occasions.

I have a couple of body piercings (navel, tongue, & tragus) other then that I'm generally a ‘bling’ free zone.

[for reference point: not raised on a farm ;)]

[Zirka]

I wear earrings and a watch everyday, unless I'm doing something were they could get damaged/lost (swimming, labs, cooking). For special occasions I may wear a necklace. I wasn't raised on a farm.

[notoppings]

I guess I should have said that I was raised working on a farm.

[changos]

I only got used to wearing a watch, never stand using anything else even if my girlfriend gave it to me as a gift and wanted me to wear it. Now is worse, I can't stand my watch all day.

[Elfrun]

I guess I should have said that I was raised working on a farm.

Aww, shit, I didn't mean it like that, it wasn't a dig ;D

It's just I wasn't raised on a farm - city born and breed here!

[LionsPride]

I love jewelery. It's art I can wear. I don't mind buying art I can wear rather than pretty things that sit on a shelf. I can definitely relate to the need for a watch. My left wrist is always reserved for my watch. I can live without jewelery when I'm mucking about, but the watch goes with me everywhere.

[Minerva]

Earrings are a must, but I always go for elegant. I don't like anything gaudy. Bracelets, sometimes (depends of the outfit). A watch is a necessity. Oh, I also like adorning my hair, since I have so much of it. Most importantly, everything must go together, no colour clashing etc.

[notoppings]

Aww, shit, I didn't mean it like that, it wasn't a dig ;D

It's just I wasn't raised on a farm - city born and breed here!


But I liked the dig intended or not it made me laugh.

[Elfrun]

The aim was humour not offence, all is well ;D

[Snowdragon]

I always wear a pair of earrings,a black cord necklace, and a watch (so I know what time it is).





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Earrings are a must, but I always go for elegant. I don't like anything gaudy. Bracelets, sometimes (depends of the outfit). A watch is a necessity. Oh, I also like adorning my hair, since I have so much of it. Most importantly, everything must go together, no colour clashing etc.

Earrings are a must for me; I've had my ears pierced at 13. I NEVER leave the house without wearing them.


I really don't care about being mitchy-matchy about colors. I wouldn't notice if the colors clashed. I wonder if it has somthing to do with the fact that red-green colorblindness runs in my family(my mom and brother has it...)

[Synamon]

I'm too much of a tomboy to get into jewelry. I echo your comment that jewelry gets dirty or in the way. I wear a waterproof watch, my wedding ring and my engineering ring. My ears are pierced and I put earrings on probably 6 times a year. I have a gold chain and pendant I sometimes wear for months at a time and then take off and don't wear it for months.

My husband hates that I don't like jewelry, no easy presents of shiny baubles for my birthday or Christmas, he actually has to think and find something I'd like or use instead.

[emanon]

I like wearing necklaces and my Trinity-knot Claddagh ring. I'll occasionally wear earrings or a bracelet if they go with the outfit and they fall within my line of sight while I'm getting ready. I don't see the point of fancy, expensive stuff though.

[Monte314]

Uh... does my Blackberry count?

[Lupin]

Earrings a must. Watch is on but not when playing sports. Love turquoise so have a lot of that especially a very, very elaborate pair of turquoise earrings which I have pleasure in wearing when I'm feeling jolly confident, always with black. But, usually, can't wait to take it all off as soon as I get in (have no trouble taking off adornments as I leave the party.....bizarre I know but I find 'things' a burden after too long.

[Noehelia]

Do you wear any?

I don't wear any rings necklaces or watches, neither earrings or nose rings, I've never had the desire to wear a watch or bracelet I do not Bling.

I don't know why but I think it has to do with being raised on a farm always mucking in something dirty so your watches and rings would get ruined and you could be seriously hurt if your necklace came into contact with the wrong bit of machinery. Also I can't stand constriction not even a tight belt.

So what do you wear? and why do you wear it?

I loughed with your post especially about the phrase that you can not stand constrictions because this is exactly how I feel.

I do not wear belts, ever. I can not stand rings and this thread made me think how am I supposed to wear my wedding rind if I get married. Well, I think I won't wear it. I do not wear a watch. My parents have bought me several ones, I tried them for some periods but when I take them off I forget about them and never put them on again. Actually I was embarrassed once in a job interview because they mentioned "how come you do not wear a watch, don't you want to be punctual?" but well I have my mobile for watching the time.

The only jewellery that I can wear occasionally are either necklaces or earrings (not both at the same time) but that just on special occasions.

My ears were pierced when I was 5 years old but i did not wear any earrings until after 24.

These habits seem so peculiar to others especially for my mother that she loves jewellery and belts and she buy so many of them often and wear them everyday.

edit: I forgot completely about bracelets. Well, it was always out of the question for me since I have troubles wearing even a watch. At least a watch is a practical thing.

[mkay]

I often wear necklaces and bracelets that complement an outfit. I rarely wear other jewelry.

[tp6626]

I will only wear things that are functional rather than aesthetic. I.e. A watch, and occasionally cuff-links. Anything else is of no use to me!

[ElstonGunn]

I'd rather be without pants than without my watch.

[Lupin]

Are you a watch-wearer in bed then? That's the limit for me......nude, completely nude or don't get in.

[tp6626]

Umm, who was that one to Lupin?

[Dominguez]

i just wear my $15 80s-90s style casio watch. it serves it's purpose

[szaxazs]

Nothing here. I think of jewelry as something shallow most of the time. (a watch is a tool, a watch with gold and silver and shit is useless apparatus, just wasted money. A watch will always be a watch. If it costed 5$ or 500.000$ nothing seems to change, since you use both for the same reason, ie to look at the time)

Rarely do I find some jewelry actually "adding" to a woman's looks. Earrings, necklets, bracelets and rings can be good when worn one or two at the time, but a combination of all -and lots- of them does not usually look that good.

Natural beauty is ftw, and no expensive jewelry is going to compensate for an ugly face or a big fat ass, but most women -according to what I see- just fail to realize that. However it would be better if everyone accepted themselves as they are.

"Beauty" (its perception, its meaning) is distorted in our days and most women now think that they have to use red lipgloss and other funky stuff to actually "look (more) beautiful". If we had some time travel machine to allow us send a "modern woman" as is right now back in time when mammoths existed, some poor people would probably faint at the sight, die from a heart attack, start running to save their lives or think that their god came to visit them, so they would bow the hell down, in fear of the god eating them or doing something else but still nasty.

Cosmetics/jewelry were invented so some smart people would gain money, and that's why I think that this part too is useful, since any economy of any country produces money out of this business. That's why I do not call it useless.

Anyway, most things we all use are "actually useless", compared to what would be really needed, so we, the humankind, could progress. Apart from money-making, jewelry and cosmetics have no other objective meaning. A statue is art, what Brom paints is art, a bracelet which was made with the intention to create money is not art. We are made to conceive some things as something they are actually not. No matter when/where you lived, you would be intrigued at the sight of a giant statue. However this is not the case for jewelry/cosmetics. Theese were made for the intention of money-making, solely for that. I can not imagine a woman in the past saying let's try to put some red stuff in my lips so I would look more beautiful. I can imagine however a woman saying let's see what useless thing we can invent and introduce it as something that will seemingly make women more beautiful, and from which thing I could make money or whatever. Sometime in the past I can see some people aggresively brainwashing some victims. The modern result of all this accumulation is what we have been calling "fashion" for some time now.

Excuse me, I am going to puke. BLARGH.

And I did not write theese with the intention of flaming/trolling.
This is my opinion.

[Noehelia]

I can not imagine a woman in the past saying let's try to put some red stuff in my lips so I would look more beautiful.

Why not? Do you know the story behind Maybelline? Maybel was the founder's sister and she asked him to make a product that would darken her eyelashes in order to win the heart of her beloved, so mascara was created.

And that is the story of a recent product. But make up and jewelery are not invented so recently, they are traced back even in prehistoric periods. Jeweleries can be fount on prehistoric graves and make up kits on ancient egyptian graves. You can see even on the wallpaintings in egyptian pyramids that people were using make up. Tribes use make up for so many symbolic reasons.
Why? Because people find it essential to their lives to be beautiful or to look younger or to use color in general. Why else would we invent dyes for our clothes?
In the previous centuries not all women had access to make up. So when a young girl wanted to present herself in front someone she was interested she pinched her chicks and bite her lips in order to be more red. Why? Because it was a sign of healthiness.

And maybe a big statue catches my attention because it acquires big part of my vision space but a beautiful girl causes shivers in my spine (and I am a straight woman).

[szaxazs]

Why not? Do you know the story behind Maybelline? Maybel was the founder's sister and she asked him to make a product that would darken her eyelashes in order to win the heart of her beloved, so mascara was created.

And that is the story of a recent product. But make up and jewelery are not invented so recently, they are traced back even in prehistoric periods. Jeweleries can be fount on prehistoric graves and make up kits on ancient egyptian graves. You can see even on the wallpaintings in egyptian pyramids that people were using make up. Tribes use make up for so many symbolic reasons.
Why? Because people find it essential to their lives to be beautiful or to look younger or to use color in general. Why else would we invent dyes for our clothes?
In the previous centuries not all women had access to make up. So when a young girl wanted to present herself in front someone she was interested she pinched her chicks and bite her lips in order to be more red. Why? Because it was a sign of healthiness.

And maybe a big statue catches my attention because it acquires big part of my vision space but a beautiful girl causes shivers in my spine (and I am a straight woman).
Well a beautiful girl causes shivers in my spine too (and I am a straight guy) but whether she wears lipstick or not is indifferent to me. And that happens because when I look whether a woman is beautiful or not I will look at her "as is", ie in my mind I will mentally remove all kind of jewelry/cosmetics she wears and my judging will be based on what remains. That's my way.

Having random parts of your body look red means that they are healthy? Wow. Next time I want to look attractive to a girl I will have someone beat the hell out of me, so I will be all red, therefore all healthy. Thanks for the free information, now I'm gonna get laid. I'm excited. If a young girl were to bit her lips because she thought that they would look healthier and she would look more beautiful overall, resulting in the man of her interest finding her more attractive, then this is not the case for me. If a chick came to me with her lips bitten so strenuously that they became red and swelled I would tell her that she was paranoid and that her lips looked as if someone had beaten them, ie not beautiful/attractive/healthy at all. Then she might cry and leave me because I might have hurt her feelings, but I would be ok with myself knowing that I told her the truth, as I perceived it. What can I do, I never found swelled body parts beautiful.

There have always been people who found red lipsticks funny in women, it reminded them of clowns, and if you compare Ronald McDonald to some "modern fashionable woman" specimen (I say fashionable, because not all women are fashionable, and specimen because - Thanks God - not all women are so fucked up with beauty theese days), well there are some striking similarities ( I have seen girls that look like clowns, the sight was horrible, and the funny thing is that they think they are beautiful, just how can they be deceived by their own look in the mirror so much, aren't they scared? Brainwashing techniques sadly have theese effects.). Now, red lipstick is internationally a symbol of how sultry/beautiful/sexy a woman is (you can pick whatever you like). The more red a lipstick is, the more sultry/beautiful/sexy a woman/model will look. Here's a typical lipstick advertisement: Want to become more sultry/beautiful/sexy? Buy the next "Ultra Reddish Red Rose With More Red Petals Than Ever" or "So Red That Even A Little More Red Would Blow Your Brains" and cover your lips with this mixture of poor ants and low quality beeswax, THEN you will be so sultry/beautiful/sexy that all boys will be looking at you and certainly fall in love with you. BUY IT NOW! End of commercial. Fact is that there will always be some other boys (straight) that will be looking at the woman who tried to be more sultry/beautiful/sexy too in the same way as all others, but in this case out of fear. They will be frozen solid by the view, contemplating about how more worse things are going to get and how more will the perception of real beauty be distorted. This is hilarious. 785473485 different names for the same lipstick color only backup what I say, when I say that cosmetics/jewelry and such is a business called fashion and nothing more, nothing less. Prove me wrong if you can. To fully cover you now, even if "it" did not started out as a business, it has become one now, with severe effects on society, mostly negative, mainly due to the distortion on what is perceived as beautiful, and what not.

About the history, when I mentioned mammoths I wanted to prevent you from saying this, but I failed. I happen to know that cosmetics were not invented so recently at all, and that's the reason why I mentioned the mammoth thing.

And about Maybel, this could as well as be a story. I do not know her, I tend to not believe what others say to me unless I do some research myself first.

And tribes do not use the same make up humans use today (yes there are men too who use make up - actors for instance, but you probably knew this one). Actually, this is no make up for them in the same sense as it is for us, it is something completely different, serving a completely different purpose with a completely different meaning, and certainly not something used mainly to make theese people look more beautiful. The shamans for example had no need to look more beautiful, yet they painted themselves, they just thought -and well did so- that by painting their faces/body parts in general their summonings/rituals would be more powerful and similar stuff, and they were painted as well as wearing funky clothes and other things so as they would be sorted out in a special category. Same goes for fighters, workers etc. Today I do not see multiple purposes in fashion except one, ie striving for more beautiful humans. Theese people did this as it was part of their identity, that's more serious. If a woman painted her face as theese tribes did, then went out and asked if people found her more beautiful wearing this one than the red lipstick. I think that the people she asked would prefer the lipstick over the paint. Times change, as well as lipsticks. Even in the extreme case that theese tribes used theese paints solely as a means of beauty, then this fashion has passed now. That's why the forementioned woman would today not be conceived as attractive as she would be when those tribes flourished, provided she was living at theese ages, when painted with those tribes' symbols/colors/whatever. This backs up what I say once more. Fashion needs to change, as well as lipsticks, so that money continues to flow/grow.

I agree with you at the point of aesthetics. I agree that they are essential to the well being of any society. Aesthetics do good to the eye, as well as do good to some wallets. That's the truth.

If you found my tone personally attacking you, please let me know.
I just love debating, and I have no genuine intention of attacking people.

[Lupin]

tph216, it was to ElstonGunn. I had a momentary lapse of concentration re US and UK English. He meant pants as in trousers....I of course was on another planet! Watch-wearing 'after dark' is a male thing and it's just unnecessary.

[Noehelia]

I did not found your tone personally attacking me szaxazs, you just seem passionate for your opinion
But it is a little bit distorted in order to match your idea that the beauty industry is brainwashing us. I do not disagree that it does, well every industry does, even medical industry, nowadays. That does not mean that there was not previously a need for the general product they make.

There is no point to put a scene of a woman in make-up going back in time presenting herself in the prehistoric people because anyone who would go back then would scare them anyway. Can you imagine how they were, not groomed, without any dental care, dirty, without modern clothes, etc?

Besides that fashion in aesthetics change over time, culture lays its influence and every civilization has different standards. Imagine how surprised people would be in ancient Greece if they saw a French member of the royal court (it does not matter if it would be a man or woman, they both wore wigs and used make up).
Most people in the present will find strange the idea that neck rings (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) are used for beauty reasons.


I didn't say that if you have random parts of your body in red that looks healthy, only for the cheeks and lips. There is another reason also for biting the lips (not much ofc), they are swollen a bit and it makes them more desirable for kissing.

You lay done so many points of how different kind of people like warriors, tribes, shamans, etc would have a reason to use make up but you do not find any point for women to use it for being more beautiful?

Don't you think that you have projected your subjective view on the subject? It seems that you do not like women wearing make up but do you think all people share your view? Do women that use make up share your view?

Besides, make up is not always visible, I am sure there have been many times that you have not noticed that a woman wore make up. You may not notice it but it is there doing its job,i.e. cover marks on the skin, color the cheeks to look healthy, brighten the eyes to be noticed, etc.

[szaxazs]

I did not found your tone personally attacking me szaxazs, you just seem passionate for your opinion
Ok then, that's nice.

But it is a little bit distorted in order to match your idea that the beauty industry is brainwashing us. I do not disagree that it does, well every industry does, even medical industry, nowadays. That does not mean that there was not previously a need for the general product they make.
Imho, people need more the products of the medical industry than the products of the fashion industry. Even if there are lots of useless medicine, the best medicine serves clearly a way better purpose than the best lipstick or mascara or whatever out there. And people have more need of medicine than cosmetics and jewelry. There are places in the world where people wouldn't give a fuck if I gave them lipsticks or golden necklaces, however the same people might suffer from maladies that can be cured with today's medicine, so they would be grateful if I gave them some vaccines with which they could heal themselves. They do not care about how they look at all. I see more use in saving lives than making people more beautiful. So the medicine industry produces way more useful products and is way more useful to people in general than the fashion industry. Conclusion: There is more need for medicine products than fashion products.

There is no point to put a scene of a woman in make-up going back in time presenting herself in the prehistoric people because anyone who would go back then would scare them anyway. Can you imagine how they were, not groomed, without any dental care, dirty, without modern clothes, etc?
Agree, but imho an "extremely modern woman" would scare them more than I would [and maybe you too - I do not know how modern and such you are] ( I can be not groomed, dirty and wear no modern clothes, an "extremely modern woman" can not. She will not fall to this level). Prove me wrong, but damn, theese women sometimes even scare the shit out of us today people too, they have done this to me, they nearly created me psychological problems, I nearly became lunatic, but what saved me, is that I don't really give a fuck. Thanks God for giving me this ability.

Besides that fashion in aesthetics change over time, culture lays its influence and every civilization has different standards. Imagine how surprised people would be in ancient Greece if they saw a French member of the royal court (it does not matter if it would be a man or woman, they both wore wigs and used make up).
Most people in the present will find strange the idea that neck rings (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) are used for beauty reasons.
As I said in the previous post, fashion has to change, so money continues to fluctuate. Cultures, Civilizations, theese are all indifferent imho. Art is something different, but then again, fashion has nothing to do with art. Someone said that fashion is so ugly, that it has to change every some months, well I agree to an extent. It really is ugly.

they are swollen a bit and it makes them more desirable for kissing.
Not more desirable for me, I prefer them normal and natural. Personal opinion of course. But this means that swollen lips do not attract all kinds of people. Here, you have one. Me. When Japanese girls have their own unique lips, this is not swollen, this is natural for them. This is nice, it is natural and unique. We probably have not Japanese-like lips, so why not accept ours as they are.


You lay done so many points of how different kind of people like warriors, tribes, shamans, etc would have a reason to use make up but you do not find any point for women to use it for being more beautiful?
No because if a woman is beautiful "as is", ie without any artificial additions to her body, she has no need to look more beautiful, since she already is. That's what I think. I have found so many women with "real beauty" who would look better without all theese additions, but who think they really need this stuff. This is a personal opinion though. And finally I prefer things "natural", ie when I see a woman with artificial additions to enhance her beauty, I do not see something genuine, I see something enhanced, something fake, not genuine. And as I said I prefer non-beauty-enhanced body parts. I have learnt to appreciate things all-natural, and beauty is in this category. I never said I do not find women who put artificial stuff on them (to look better) beautiful as well. I mean, look at those silicones, they sure are great. They do so because they are HUGE. However, the problem is they are not real, they are fake. And that's why I will put theese women in the "not-genuine category" and not in the "genuine category". That's my point. Once more, I prefer them to be natural, either they are faces, lips, butts or boobies, when I judge beauty. It's just me.

Don't you think that you have projected your subjective view on the subject?
Yes I have. I stated my opinions.Of all the opinions, some can be and are subjective too.

It seems that you do not like women wearing make up but do you think all people share your view?
Of course. Not. Who said that?
And once more, it's not that I don't like them or hate them or anything. I just clearly prefer natural beauty as is. I just have no need to see a woman will all theese stuff. I do not require it. That's all.

Do women that use make up share your view?
None up to now.

Besides, make up is not always visible, I am sure there have been many times that you have not noticed that a woman wore make up. You may not notice it but it is there doing its job,i.e. cover marks on the skin, color the cheeks to look healthy, brighten the eyes to be noticed, etc.
When someone uses make up or something else to cover something not beautiful, they do not use it to become more beautiful. When you wear no make up and such you are let's say at a 0lvl(normal). When you have a scar in your face let's say you become -1(not beautiful). So if someone has a scar and puts some special make up to cover it, they probably do so to go back to lvl0 again, in other words to become normal once more, and not to go to 1 or >1, not to become more beautiful. The make up serves a different purpose when one uses it to cover marks and such.

I usually notice colored cheeks and brightened eyes though. Some girls even freak out when I tell them why are they wearing colored contact lenses. Guess I have quite a keen eye when it comes to spotting artificial additions, in the face at least.

[Noehelia]

Believe me, there are definitely incidents you did not spot the make up. For example, if I use blush on day I have found one that looks very natural. I am very pale sometimes so I prefer to give a healthy tone on my skin, but you wouldn't notice the difference unless you saw me the minute before I put the blush on and after. Mascara puts emphasis on eyes but there are people that already have emphatic eyelashes on their own.

Medical industry as a whole maybe is addressing a more basic need of humans but aesthetics covers another need that for some is almost as essential. Even people that are sick express wish to look good to others so they won't feel rejected because of their illness. But that does not mean that medical industry is not brainwashing us in terms of trying to raise consumption of their medicines.

The fact that beauty industry is serving a less important need of people compared to medical industry does not mean that is not important at all. Otherwise no industry would be of any value other than the medical industry but people when they are already healthy are trying to find ways to improve their lives, the standard of living and this is accompliced by many ways.

You prefer natural beauty but you can not deny the choice of another human being for beauty in his standards.
Actually my boyfriend also likes natural beauty and he complains if I put make up on. But I do not put make up on for him but for me. It is like dressing up for a special occasion, you won't put your everyday clothes. In my everyday life I do not use make up, unless one day I am too pale and I use some blush but in a special occasion of going out I like to be different. With make up I can put roles on me, more dynamic, more sexy, more ladylike, more mysterious, more innocent, more Asian (I like Chinese beauty a lot and i do have facial characteristics that people in the past have perceived that they look like Eskimo or native American or Mongol) or just emphasize some of my best features according to my mood.

[ElstonGunn]

tph216, it was to ElstonGunn. I had a momentary lapse of concentration re US and UK English. He meant pants as in trousers....I of course was on another planet! Watch-wearing 'after dark' is a male thing and it's just unnecessary.

Ah. Well in that case, I just meant that I hate not having my watch on. I don't sleep with it on, though.

[replicant]

I wear jewelry because (1) I view it like someone else said as wearable art and (2) it expresses my interest in all things creative.

When I do buy, I will buy from stores but I like to get unique pieces off Etsy. This was a recent buy of mine.

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[Ytterbium]

I don't like wear such things. I wore a cheap Casio clock during my military service, just to be on time. Otherwise rings, necklaces, piercings etc. I shun them.

[azelismia]

I have a fondness for edwardian jewelry. I have an old star sapphire ring that I am quite fond of, I also like some necklaces. I wear those items occasionally.

I have a huge collection of retro jewelry that I never wear.


Earrings freak me out though. I reallllly can't stand earrings. I had pierced ears when i was 11 or so but earrings always hurt. Bad.. Pretty sure those holes healed over a good number of years ago.

[Minerva]

I always wear a pair of earrings,a black cord necklace, and a watch (so I know what time it is).





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Earrings are a must for me; I've had my ears pierced at 13. I NEVER leave the house without wearing them.


I really don't care about being mitchy-matchy about colors. I wouldn't notice if the colors clashed. I wonder if it has somthing to do with the fact that red-green colorblindness runs in my family(my mom and brother has it...)

But are you colourblind? I feel you on the earring thing. I love them and when I forget to put them on (seldom, but I do at times) I feel naked! :p

[dandylion]

Jewelry isn't bothersome. It just doesn't appeal to me very much. I have piercings on my ears but most of the time my hair is down so I don't bother with earrings--I only wear them probably once a year at the most.

Hair accessories, like head bands and clips, are nice and practical. Belts are somewhat necessary as well because they can "make or break" certain outfits.

I'm not into piercings (other than the ones on my ears already... I got them when I was really young so they weren't really my choice) or tattoos either.

Hmm... are these considered these "adornments" also?
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^Would food come gushing out from his cheeks if he took out those gauges??

[Elfrun]

^ ^ ^ WHY?!?!?!?

[gogurtdynasty]

I don't wear much jewelry myself but that's because I always end up damaging it...

I do have jewelry i wear from time to time... a charm bracelet that my mother started building for me when i was a month old, i have a gold nugget necklace that was designed for my out of gold mined by my family (my family has been mining gold for personal use for... 40ish years)

I have a turquoise ring i wear on my solar plexus for wisdom, truth and protection

I also sometimes wear blue or gold tigers eye for mental alertness or emeralds for wisdom and reasoning

I also sometimes wear a carnelian necklace for energy and protection

I also have my ears pierced many times and one set of holes gauged out but i rarely wear plugs and they've shrunk down to a 0 gauge or so that for myself was a mission of self control and suffering

Not that i "believe" in that stuff but for myself they act as a reminder to embrace my virtues

[szaxazs]

Believe me, there are definitely incidents you did not spot the make up. For example, if I use blush on day I have found one that looks very natural. I am very pale sometimes so I prefer to give a healthy tone on my skin, but you wouldn't notice the difference unless you saw me the minute before I put the blush on and after. Mascara puts emphasis on eyes but there are people that already have emphatic eyelashes on their own.

Okay, agree! I never said I am able to spot everything. I might pwn badly but I'm no Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Medical industry as a whole maybe is addressing a more basic need of humans but aesthetics covers another need that for some is almost as essential. Even people that are sick express wish to look good to others so they won't feel rejected because of their illness. But that does not mean that medical industry is not brainwashing us in terms of trying to raise consumption of their medicines.

Even for those who think of aesthetics as vital, health is clearly even more vital. Without health they aren't going to have their coveted aesthetics at all (if you die, you are dead, and you won't be able to have any aesthetics stuff). So they'd better make sure they have their health first and then they can look for some aesthetics as well. Sick people place way more priority in assuring they will be continuously provided with the medicine they need, if their well-being depends on this. Everything else goes after that, so are aesthetics. About the last, every industry brainwashes us. Yet, there's more use to some industries over some others. Objectively speaking.

The fact that beauty industry is serving a less important need of people compared to medical industry does not mean that is not important at all. Otherwise no industry would be of any value other than the medical industry but people when they are already healthy are trying to find ways to improve their lives, the standard of living and this is accompliced by many ways.

No one ever said that beauty industry is not important at all. Every industry creates money, so does beauty industry. It plays an important role for people. For their country's economy to be specific (as well as the global economy in general). Every industry is useful for this purpose, i.e. making money. Actually this is the meaning of all industries. Hence the name industry. Otherwise, medicine would be free everywhere, but this is not the case, for now at least. People want our money, and we want their money. Everyone (or nearly everyone) wants money. From this point on, any industry is rated by everybody according to their judgment, and according to what they need. I might value the informatics industry more than the beauty industry, and what happens is that I will place more priority in the first than the second. Subsequently I will choose an informatics product over a beauty product. Different people value things differently, therefore different people place different priorities, resulting in different people buying different things. I agree to you in the last sentence. If you think that something will make your life better, then go ahead and buy it, if you have to, and if you are sure it will make your life better. "Many ways" is yet dependent on what I said about different people. Of course there are no absolute standards on what people want.

You prefer natural beauty but you can not deny the choice of another human being for beauty in his standards.

Have I ever done that?

Actually my boyfriend also likes natural beauty and he complains if I put make up on. But I do not put make up on for him but for me. It is like dressing up for a special occasion, you won't put your everyday clothes. In my everyday life I do not use make up, unless one day I am too pale and I use some blush but in a special occasion of going out I like to be different. With make up I can put roles on me, more dynamic, more sexy, more ladylike, more mysterious, more innocent, more Asian (I like Chinese beauty a lot and i do have facial characteristics that people in the past have perceived that they look like Eskimo or native American or Mongol) or just emphasize some of my best features according to my mood.

Okay I understand you about special occasions. I too wear different clothes in my everyday life and different clothes should I go out/do something special. Most people do that, we two are not special for doing so. It's your preference and right to use make up whenever you feel like doing so. About the roles you say, sure. It's your opinion and I respect other people's opinions.


i think it was made so you don't have to focus on your imperfections and you can feel confident but really that's kind of promoting the wrong message because if you were actually confident you wouldn't wear it in the first place.
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This one covers nicely pretty much everything about the beauty industry.
It is an answer to a question about make up however.

What I actually like (and want) in a woman, is confidence. Not looks.
Striking character pwns striking beauty badly.
And I haven't found even ONE really self-confident woman my age in real life up to now. I hope I will do so in the future. Am I asking much?
(And if anyone dares to ask the classic: would you date an ugly as fuck woman? I would tell them than no ugly as fuck woman would ever feel confident about herself, no, no fucking way. Period.)
And once more: No natural beauty needs enhancements. It will already be beauty. If natural beauty is +∞, (+∞)+(anything to enhance beauty)=+∞ once more, so nothing changes at all, therefore there's no use to enhance beauty, if someone has it in the first place, this needs no enhancements. What however usually needs enhancement is peoples' self-confidence.
And about us going to gyms? At least exercise is good for the body, and the mind. And I'm not the first to say that. Who tries to compare lipsticks with barbells? C'mon now, that's ridiculous. No lipstick will do any real good to no body or any mind. If a lipstick increases one's self confidence, this lasts for as long as the lipstick remains there.
And for those who play it confident, remove their make ups and stuff, and see where this confidence will go, oops. Somebody got owned. *Laughs*

[PRBori]

Not really into jewerly, but I do wear it a few times for special ocasions. No rings, although I'm thinking on buying a "Wedding Ring" so that men think I'm married and leave me alone. I get annoyed by people trying to get with me when I have zero interest.

Earrings I wear once in a while as well, specially loops. I like simple necklaces.. nothing expensive. I'm a down to earth type of gal. Pawnshops are the best places to buy jewerly, they are cheaper than retail stores so one of these days I will head their way and get myself a nice diamond ring... I'm simple, but I also like quality once in a while.

Anyway, I think this are pesonal choices and I personally prefer to have the least on me on a daily basis, but the best I can on special ocassions.

[Noehelia]

Szaxazs, why do you assume that putting make up is only for enhancing confidence?
Everything in our life has different meanings for people and those meanings have different importance for each one.
Let's take for example the case of owning a car, What does it mean for people?
First is the basic need for mobility. But then someone could say that you can use public transfer system. Then for some is a medium for more convenience comparing to public transport. For others is a medium for freedom, others for excitement, thrill and adventure, others wants to show it off for their status quo, others wants to make a statement as a representation of themselves and so on. Each person may perceive only 2-3 of these benefits and for each benefit he places a different importance.

This also applies to using make up. Others may perceive it as enhancement of their natural beauty, an option that is available and why not use it, others may see it as a confidence boost, others as a covering of unwanted marks and characteristics, others as a medium with which they can change roles for fun as they get bored to be the same all the time, others feel obliged in the framework of social norms (like putting make up to show that you treat yourself in a pleasant way for work), others want to make a statement for their personality (like having a sexy or a gothic look) and so on.

It seems that you are having bad opinion for exaggerations in using make up by some people but then I can say that there are exaggerations everywhere. Some may exercise because it is good for themselves but others take it to the extreme, do bodybuilding, take substitutes in order to change drastically their bodies to the desired image of the perfect body they have in their mind.

Beauty industry is not important only for its contribution in economics but as all industries it satisfies people's needs. Even if there was no established industry there would be a lot of people that would try on their own to find ways that resembles the use of beauty products.

[szaxazs]

Szaxazs, why do you assume that putting make up is only for enhancing confidence?

Not only. Mainly.

Everything in our life has different meanings for people and those meanings have different importance for each one.

Sure, but objectively and not subjectively, there's still more logic in using some things over some others. Subjectively, anything can bring pleasure to the owner, but the subjective property is created, whereas the objective property was there from the beginning.

Let's take for example the case of owning a car, What does it mean for people?
First is the basic need for mobility. But then someone could say that you can use public transfer system. Then for some is a medium for more convenience comparing to public transport. For others is a medium for freedom, others for excitement, thrill and adventure, others wants to show it off for their status quo, others wants to make a statement as a representation of themselves and so on. Each person may perceive only 2-3 of these benefits and for each benefit he places a different importance.

Car > Make up. Objectively speaking and no matter how many benefits will someone spot. Subjectively one woman can seduce a man easier by using make up rather than driving an expensive car. These concepts however are fluid and not absolute. Think once more about what I said for properties, objective ones “are”, subjective ones “are created”. This is pointing out the difference.

This also applies to using make up. Others may perceive it as enhancement of their natural beauty, an option that is available and why not use it, others may see it as a confidence boost, others as a covering of unwanted marks and characteristics, others as a medium with which they can change roles for fun as they get bored to be the same all the time, others feel obliged in the framework of social norms (like putting make up to show that you treat yourself in a pleasant way for work), others want to make a statement for their personality (like having a sexy or a gothic look) and so on.

I only hate it when it is used as a substitute to create something not genuine. I have no problem if a woman wants to change roles for fun, this is cool, I could also wear make up and then we could go out to scare some people with our gothic looks. Now about marks, I explained that previously but I will explain that again. When you cover a spot you do so because you don't want to look ugly because of it. The problem is using it for beauty and not for covering a spot. This is perfectly normal. In that case you don't use it as a cosmetic for the sake of becoming more pretty. You use it so you can look normal and not ugly. Enchantment for natural beauty? If a woman thinks that her natural beauty needs enhancement, then she probably is not that naturally beautiful as she might want to believe or more likely she has no confidence in her looks, hence her need to enhance her “beauty” so she can look prettier. Once more real beauty needs no enhancements, because people who have real beauty are usually self-confident enough to believe they need no more beauty. It is like putting more fire in fire, for fuck's sake. About social norms, here you have a point. I have no objection here, I agree with you. It's true that a businesswoman is obliged to adhere to social norms in her workplace. But she does it because she has to, not to "look more beautiful”, here’s the difference. Same goes for models, even if they know they are beautiful already, they have to appear with all these nasty stuff on their faces. About making a statement for one’s personality, this seems shallow to me. People who want to express that they are something through their looks are usually shallow, or kidding (like the gothic looks I said above). A nerd for example might have a standard look, but the real nerd will do so because he couldn’t care more about how others perceived him. About the geek stuff, this is becoming mainstream now and that’s why we see all these stupid logos in shirts and such. Why is it so that people just can’t accept themselves as they are and need augmentations so desparately? Why such a fuss about looks and how others perceive us? Social status and shit, we are just all screwed up and we have screwed up our society, since a lot of time ago. Should we be really caring about eachother, and stickiness to a common goal, which is the evolution of humanity, then there would be no need for looks, money, or anything shallow like that. Now about the “option that is available and why not use it”, well this one was funny. There are more than 73246597359350276358234638457629375443978465398654 options out there for us to choose, why not use them? One uses what he thinks he needs. And the one who thinks objectively and makes the right choices (i.e. objective ones) wins. Out of all you said, the part about confidence prevails, as expected.

It seems that you are having bad opinion for exaggerations in using make up by some people but then I can say that there are exaggerations everywhere.


Where's the exaggeration? Is there any real difference between wearing a little make up to feel confident, and wearing too much make up to feel confident? It’s absolutely the same thing to me. Used for substitution, so one can become something that is not from the first place. And the one who uses more make up for the reason mentioned above, just spends more money than the other. It’s like boiling water. No matter how more hot you will make the heat source from the level needed to boil it, the water will boil once it reaches 100 degrees Celsius. But as the water boils faster when the heat source is hotter than needed, a woman might seduce a man faster if she wears more make up and such than less of them. The result will be the same though. And there are clearly more chances for the water to boil.

Some may exercise because it is good for themselves but others take it to the extreme, do bodybuilding, take substitutes in order to change drastically their bodies to the desired image of the perfect body they have in their mind.


What substitutes, supplements are nothing. You probably had anabolic steroids in your mind. Even then, there's a huge difference. Compare a non-competitive bodybuilder to a competitive bodybuilder and you will soon realize that these two have no connection to little make up or a lot of make up. These two are completely different whereas make up for the purpose of increasing self-esteem is the same, no matter how much you are going to put. When make up is used as a substitute, no matter how much one will put, it serves the same purpose. Now a non-competitive bodybuilder, who does not take steroids, does both good to his health and his looks. A competitive bodybuilder both destroys his health and his looks. Your comparison was pointless in my opinion. Saying something so general as “there are exaggerations everywhere” does not say much. There are humans all over the earth, ok, everyone knows that.

Beauty industry is not important only for its contribution in economics but as all industries it satisfies people's needs. Even if there was no established industry there would be a lot of people that would try on their own to find ways that resembles the use of beauty products.

This is because men would still want their women to be prettier. Go ahead and blame men for making you like this, wanting you to look beautiful all the time. Most men want you to be beautiful, no matter what. So you had to listen to them, and don't say no, look around you, for some reason you had to, and you abided to their commandment. Now most women think that cosmetics and such are so pretty and downright normal. No, they are what men forced women to put on their faces by demanding from them to be beautiful all the time. It is not normal at all. It is an intervention to the human body and its natural looks. I have seen girls my age whose skin in their faces is like it’s decomposing, it looks rotten. And this is because of make up. Some years ago their faces looked pretty, now without make up they look rotten. How can you say it is a normal part of humans' lives, let's be serious. And about organic ones and such, they might be less harmful because they have less dangerous chemicals but your face still doesn't want them there, the pores won’t be able to breath and your skin does not want these stuff, resulting in sensations of burning and looks of putrefaction, it is what your skin tells you for forcing it to accept these stuff. And with skin creams and other similar products, a lot of normal women have perfectly transformed into undead mummies. I think I am going to have nightmares tonight. And don’t say to me now “oh but why do you exclude the possibility a woman or a man invented it so they could look more beautiful?”. Its difficult to believe that one said: “hmm, let’s see, why not become more beautiful?” because if everyone perceived beauty as is, no one would ever have any need to look more beautiful. They wouldn’t care for beauty or ugliness. But this business started long ago. What aesthetics. No brain is created with inborn ability to recognize something as beautiful, except some frequencies and such which happen to act right into some specific brain areas, hence the inborn perception of some specific music as good and bad. Actually the inborn abilities are very limited. They keep filling our heads with their shit to make money, and they do so in a way that very few people will ever even think that such things could exist. These people are highly gifted and proficient in what they do, and are the very rich people we will probably never see. Those people move everything, and we think that we have freedom and similar long-forgotten goodies. What Warren Buffet and billionaires. And we are here talking about make up.

We (and mostly I) have screwed the thread up. We made it a personal conversation. However it is funny and entertaining (for me at least). We are arguing for such a trivial matter. We are helpless:laugh:.

[replicant]

This is too far I think as with the others pictured above.

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[Noehelia]

We (and mostly I) have screwed the thread up. We made it a personal conversation. However it is funny and entertaining (for me at least). We are arguing for such a trivial matter. We are helpless:laugh:.

I agree, so I will stop arguing.

[Lucan]

Uh... does my Blackberry count?
We'll have to put that under electronic accessories.
;)

[Snowdragon]

This is too far I think as with the others pictured above.

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[Dave C C]

Just a watch.

[Airius]

I have a small white necklace.
I don't wear make up.
I have highlights in my hair.
And I have seven piercings.
^ Two on each lobe, tragus, nose, and tongue.


I like the idea of accentuating features.

[searcher]

I don't like wearing a watch, it kind of puts too much pressure on me like "oh, it's this time, I should be doing this or that or the other thing". My P tendacies can't handle it.

I have no piercings, nor do I want any. I'm probably one of less than five females in my year group at school who don't. I have no objection to people wearing them, but wouldn't myself.

Necklaces I will wear. Bracelets I usually wont, but then I don't own any so.... Go figure.
Same goes for rings.

Make up - well. I will wear it for important reasons such as societal research, but otherwise not.
Tattoos I have no problem with as long as they're small and tasteful (well, it would be hypocritical to say otherwise as I have two small pawprints tattooed on my right hip.)

[jikin]

I've recently started wearing hair clips on a regular basis,nothing too fancy, but that's about it for jewelry on normal days. Occasionally I'll wear a necklace, if the outfit seems to need it. I do have pierced ears, but rarely wear earings.

[zibber]

This seems to have started as a nice, light thread about jewelry, but szaxazs' vehemence inspired me. :laugh:

I really, really don't like the appearance standards that are in place for women.

Look, self-adornment is an almost inherent characteristic of human beings. Any given human population has appearance conventions much in the same way as other creatures do. My problem with recent developments (the last couple of centuries) is that appearance conventions have not only started to become standardised throughout a growing part of the world, but they are constantly being reinforced by the "beauty industry" in such a way as to teach all the new boys and girls that enter this world exactly how they, especially the girls, are supposed to look. When a girl says "I wear make-up to be prettier", I usually hear "I wear the make-up I do because I have been sufficiently indoctrinated throughout my youth truly to believe Western make-up conventions to be fact". Consistently abstaining from the use make-up is certainly not the norm, where I come from, and I resent the hell out of that. Why should girls feel this pressure?

(I extend this to female shaving and probably feel even stronger about that, but I've found that to be far too much of a taboo to feel comfortable with putting a rant here. I always get the idea that I'm some kind of fetishist, but my opposition is primarily philosophical. I'd love to discuss that here, though, if anyone's interested to.)

ps. Noehelia: The existence and large size of an industry don't imply that people actually need its product; at best, we can deduce from them that people think they need its products.

[ScurvyRose]

I wear jewlery, but I do not spend any time on it. All of the pieces I wear are gold, fits blonde and is low maintenance. I wear the same two pairs of earings everyday and the same necklace. Those I wear to bed and shower with them on.

I cannot sleep with rings or bracelets on so these are removed every night, and sometimes replaced in the morning.

I gave up on watches, hate it when the battery dies and I always have my cell phone anyways.

[Krazy P]

I don't wear anything either. When I am off solo hiking, I wear a watch with compass, barometer, etc.

[Noehelia]

ps. Noehelia: The existence and large size of an industry don't imply that people actually need its product; at best, we can deduce from them that people think they need its products.

There is no difference on that. A product can not succeed if it doesn't satisfy a need. But the need does not always have to do with the obvious. For example: I read recently about the most expensive house in the world, Villa Leopolda, which was sold for 736 million dollars. Do you think that spending so much money has anything to do with the basic need of housing? On the other hand, there is a market for housing, people need houses, but they satisfy other needs too with them.

In addition, the Beauty industry serves many needs, one of them is aesthetics. Maybe you would think that having a great looking painting in you house is not actually a need and the people that want it think that they have the need, but they do not share your view. So saying what is an actual need and what is not is very subjective.

[Drienne]

always a watch.... and usually a silver spider choke chain.
Spider goes well with my tattoo (Blk Widow Spider)

[Muumeh]

I have two piercings on my face, one on eyebrow and one under lip, earrings, a simple silver chain and my wedding ring. I like simple and 'elegant' jewelery, though I hardly ever change what I'm wearing. I might change the necklace for some special occasion, or add few more rings, but in general I go with my 'normal set' which I never take off. I'm just too lazy to change them I guess.

[hullolife]

I wear a small silver ring with a heart on it. I started wearing it to prove to myself that I could wear a ring and not want to rip my finger off.

LOL

[zibber]

In addition, the Beauty industry serves many needs, one of them is aesthetics. Maybe you would think that having a great looking painting in you house is not actually a need and the people that want it think that they have the need, but they do not share your view. So saying what is an actual need and what is not is very subjective.

The problem I have is that the beauty industry seems merely to serve the need people have to conform to cultural beauty norms. (We see the same in art, to a lesser degree, but here individual eclecticism is much more acceptable.) These norms are currently perpetuated and influenced to a high degree by the beauty industry (whose advertisement money has an almost controlling influence on beauty magazines and such). That is dubious, to me.

[Noehelia]

The problem I have is that the beauty industry seems merely to serve the need people have to conform to cultural beauty norms. (We see the same in art, to a lesser degree, but here individual eclecticism is much more acceptable.) These norms are currently perpetuated and influenced to a high degree by the beauty industry (whose advertisement money has an almost controlling influence on beauty magazines and such). That is dubious, to me.

Yes, I understand what you are saying but this is not a problem that exists only in the beauty industry, it exists in every industry that deals with consumers at these times, they try to create need for buying products in higher frequency, or products that you would not consider buying otherwise, etc. I am more alarmed on that by the actions of other industries like the medical industry.

[zibber]

Yes, I understand what you are saying but this is not a problem that exists only in the beauty industry, it exists in every industry that deals with consumers at these times, they try to create need for buying products in higher frequency, or products that you would not consider buying otherwise, etc. I am more alarmed on that by the actions of other industries like the medical industry.

True, true.. For me, though, the beauty industry holds special interest because it is so geared towards women. It pains me especially that girls of a young age are given the idea that they need this kind of thing, as every single famous gal they look up to is not only plastered with make-up in the first place, but airbrushed to a smooth, poreless finish in the magazines that get their money from the plaster companies.

In any case, glad you agree! I'm sick of the argument that the existence of an industry proves its need.

[ClydeB]

Never was much for jewelry or other bling. Did wear a watch for the longest time. One part of my career I did a lot of electronics work and the watch was a no no. So I got out of the habit of wearing one. Still cannot stand to wear anything including watches now.

[BananaKT]

I absolutely love collecting jewellery.

Wearing it is another matter. I try to be as Plain Jane as I can.

[Kisai]

No jewelry. Metal = conductance = electrocution.

I like to wear lab goggles as an accessory.

[rara avis]

I wear a fairly plain, broad silver band on each index finger. And at least one other piece of jewelry every day- usually a pair of earrings. I figure it's kind of like the guys I work with wearing ties. I have three piercings in my right ear and one in my left, and one in my navel.

No tattoos, and I hate belts. I do like makeup that enhances what I've got without taking over my appearance.

[Cairech]

I have a handmade twisted copper and white metal wrist cuff that I wear every day. I bought it originally because I liked the style. Then I realized that that wrist, which was hyperextended in jr. high and had caused me pain ever since, had stopped hurting.

Last year I bought a twisted copper ring to go on the finger that uses the mouse-rollerbar.

I have a lot of silver rings and necklaces, too. I go through phases where I will wear some, and enjoy it. But it gets old, fast. I get tired of keeping track of this this new copper ring, and I got it for a practical reason.

I used to sew a band of tiny beads around my left ankle every Summer, just as a summertime sort of decoration. The first time I did, it lasted for 16 months. It was great! I never had to think about it and it looked kind of cool. But I haven't done that in a long time.





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OH - I used to wear a watch but apparently my body chemistry kills them. Kills them dead. They work for about 3 months and then never work again.