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ssrprotege
06-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Probably you heard of this. What do you think of this?

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Many people seem outrageous, and even the facebook group against this artist was formed. The majority thinks this is very inappropriate.

Well, the question I want to ask is how moral and how uncruel the "majority" or even mankind is.

Aronnax
06-06-2008, 12:50 PM
Well, normally a dog left to it's own devices can still find water and scavenge for food. A dog chained in a museum can't do either. Behavior like this doesn't promote awareness, it just gives art a bad name.

ThaiGreenTea
06-06-2008, 01:07 PM
This who fiasco has already been proven fake. It was conjured by an artist to show how we'll heave our chests over a dog dying but not give a second's thought of the wars and genocide in the world.

Homini Lupus
06-06-2008, 01:10 PM
Artist left to rot in a jail considered justice

hozer
06-09-2008, 10:19 AM
Let karma deal with it

Rafael
06-09-2008, 11:00 AM
People are generally "moral" when it comes down to their little world, like criticizing an artist because he's tied a dog on a wall and left it to die. When it comes to the big picute, people rarely care at all, few people on developed countries ask themselves how well do the "thrid-world-like" people live. In fact, I read on a newspaper article somewhere (I can't post the article here, as it was written in portuguese) that some thousands of african kids die of starvation every day. But almost no one cares about them, they can't SEE them, all they can see is the poor dog suffering tied to a wall in a museum! I'm not defending the artist here, but he's got a good point.

Arcani
06-09-2008, 02:36 PM
While I'm not condoning the artist's actions, I'm more disturbed that none of the patrons did anything to help the animal.

I'm not an animal rights activist myself, but I can't stand animal cruelty or anyone who would commit animal cruelty.

Noehelia
06-09-2008, 02:39 PM
The incident is not verified. The gallery claims that the dog was fed and escaped, others that the dog died there. The artist does not verify or deny anything (that is suspicious). Also there is a controversy about his age.

The problem of his act is that it is an action. It does not matter what was the point he wanted to illustrate. Would he have the right to take a kid from the streets and let it die from starvation in the name of a point to make?

replicant
06-09-2008, 04:52 PM
If this incident were true, its very sick and disturbing way to highlight contrary behavior in humans. A mock representation would be disturbing in itself, but Rafael, I see the value in your comments. This is going a little off topic but the people in Africa are given tons of food aid but I think this aid is sham and not a long lasting and far enough reaching solution to their poverty. In fact, I have read that actually has hurt African farmers. Africans need more technology and viable means of nurturing the land to obtain what they need. And you can't give and give and give, it does not but create dependent situations. We can help but I believe in that old adage about teaching a man to fish versus giving him the fish.

Henry
06-10-2008, 02:21 AM
People are generally "moral" when it comes down to their little world, like criticizing an artist because he's tied a dog on a wall and left it to die. When it comes to the big picute, people rarely care at all, few people on developed countries ask themselves how well do the "thrid-world-like" people live. In fact, I read on a newspaper article somewhere (I can't post the article here, as it was written in portuguese) that some thousands of african kids die of starvation every day. But almost no one cares about them, they can't SEE them, all they can see is the poor dog suffering tied to a wall in a museum! I'm not defending the artist here, but he's got a good point.

You're absolutely right: I care almost nothing about 3rd world poverty and care a great deal about what's happening to the dog.

The difference is that the dog is completely helpless. The 3rd world is not. Game over.

44sunsets
06-10-2008, 04:21 AM
I doubt this incident is true. If this happened in my area, I would get the RSPCA to look into charging the "artist" with animal cruelty. In the unlikely event that the RSPCA failed to act, I would get a posse together and we would head down to the gallery to free the dog.

ElstonGunn
06-10-2008, 10:41 AM
This who fiasco has already been proven fake. It was conjured by an artist to show how we'll heave our chests over a dog dying but not give a second's thought of the wars and genocide in the world.

Is that right? Do you have proof or some kind of source on that?

If it was a hoax, I think I'd have to say, "Well done, and good point."

Claptonian
06-13-2008, 03:31 AM
This who fiasco has already been proven fake. It was conjured by an artist to show how we'll heave our chests over a dog dying but not give a second's thought of the wars and genocide in the world.

This point was better illustrated after the controversy arose around the U.S. soldier in Iraq who killed a dog.

Meanwhile, most people don't particularly care about the dozens of thousands of Iraqi civillians that have died since the invasion.

Vivid
06-13-2008, 03:35 AM
I've heard of this.

Yes, it is art. Definitely. Whether or not it was ethical, likeable, or moral is a separate matter.


This who fiasco has already been proven fake. It was conjured by an artist to show how we'll heave our chests over a dog dying but not give a second's thought of the wars and genocide in the world.

Exactly. A lot of attention is being given to this dead dog. It goes to show how angry some people are. They get caught up in wanting justice for the dog that's already dead, instead of trying to help the rest of the world or other, living dogs.
I wonder how much money has been spent on behalf of this dead dog.

quest ion
06-13-2008, 04:43 AM
There is always a reason to argue for and against such a thing.
The end result of this is still death. So what makes the act of eating animals any better?

In this instance, I think people are so upset because the animals involved is a dog.. what if it's replaced with a giant lizard? Or a fly.. or whatever living things? I don't think the backlash would be so great.

I probably feel this way because I don't keep pets.. gives me a less- biased view for such issues.