Has raw meat ever appealed to you?

[Antares]

I know this is an extremely strange question, but that's my problem right now. I would always look at raw meat (like raw dumpling ingredients), especially minced raw meat as appealing. A few days ago my class was dissecting a pig heart. I took a look and casually commented (I'm NOT sure if I'm joking. Many a times, I can't even tell if I'm being seriously or not. Naturally, other people find this even more puzzling, not being in my shoes) "That looks edible". My teacher gave me a look and said: "Well, you can eat it if you want..." A couple of my classmates raised their eyebrows at me and some dared me to eat it for money (about $100 US). Just then, I went down to the kitchen to get some snack. I saw minced raw meat again and found myself fantasizing about dinner (I LOVE eating). I've heard somewhere that it suggests rabies or animalistic, unconstrained nature. Uh oh.

This is really strange, but am I all alone here?

[AutisticCuckoo]

I can't say that I've felt a desire to eat fresh, raw meat (or fish). I do like prosciutto parmesan, though, which is essentially dried, raw ham.

[fonmaneal]

I have a bad habit of eating raw hamburger meat.
I have a very hard time with meatloaf,beef, egg, veggys.

[44sunsets]

Reminds me of "Ode to Kirihito" by Osamu Tezuka.

[elsdfr]

Err fetish.

I ate it once (curiosity) and ended up with a really bad case of diarrhoea. So yeah you'd probably need to do something to it before hand. Either way I won't be doing it again. I prefer the feel to the taste anyway.

Oh I should probably add that the only reason I ate raw meat was because the BBQ that was being used ran out of gas and I was too hungry to wait for someone to refill it so yeah, I just went for it.

[SongofSeptember]

That's kind of interesting/freaky.

Actually, I do recall once when I saw minced raw meat, and I wondered briefly how it'd taste. But it was more of a curiosity thing.

That heart dissection, by the way, completely grossed me out at first. (It was the smell, not really the sight of it.) And then I actually got quite fascinated and started dissecting it enthusiastically. I can't say I ever associated the word "edible" with it, but I did think it's pretty interesting.

[Marcus]

Was a strange but extremely funny question. Raw meat looks appealing but no so much if you smell it. I always feel like a predator when eating a medium cooked steak, but I don't really like the taste.

[curiousjane]

No. Never.

It grosses me out.

I would be a vegetarian if I only liked more vegetables.

[thod]

Have you been a naughty girl? That often brings on these odd cravings.

[Aronnax]

You may be iron deficient. I know I start craving meat and blood starts to smell really good when I'm iron deficient.

[Motor Jax]

i LOVE raw meat, but i always flavor it either on the grill or stove for about 45 minutes before consumption... usually on hi heat...

[rwyatt365]

Nope, never considered raw meat. I like my animals fire-roasted! Mmmmm-boy.

[azelismia]

ick! Nope not here. I don't even like meat too much when it's been roasted. I do eat chicken but only white meat and only after i've picked out all of the blood vessels and fat.. and that grosses me out too. It's a wonder I can eat it at all.

[tp6626]

Doubt minced meat will hurt you if its beef. Lamb, pork and chicken I believe, are a little more risky. However I think that it is technically possible in some cases to eat pork and chicken raw without issue as well.

Never really been tempted by chicken though, but maybe thats just as I now associate raw chicken with salmonella.

Raw beef, on the other hand is eaten close to raw as rump/sirloin/fillet steak etc, and even totally raw I think in a Japanese sushi-style thing I've had. I hear that preparations like this are sometimes 'cooked' in vinegars or acidy sauces that achieve the same outcome as heat.

I do sometimes 'crave' a rare steak, so I can kind of see where you're coming from. You sound anxious / concerned. I wouldn't have thought thatyou'll turn into a vampire or cannibal or anything :)

[azelismia]

You sound anxious / concerned. I wouldn't have thought thatyou'll turn into a vampire or cannibal or anything :)


you're right, it's unlikely to TURN anyone into anything, the worry might be what was already there to begin with..

I Iz afear'd!!!!!

crazed cannibal!1!!! Run!!

[tp6626]

Antares is this true? Are you trying to tell us something in this thread, and with your new avatar!?

[Chimerical]

*looks over with blood covering mouth while whiping face with a wet towelette*
Raw meat? NEVER!!!

[punkyplatypus]

I think raw meat can seem appetizing if presented right or with the right seasonings, but overall I like my meats cooked. However I go for the occassional sushi, sashimi, medium-rare steaks, & experimenting with exotic uncooked meats.

[szaxazs]

Some time ago I read an article from some vegetarians who reasoned why humans are not meant to eat meat, any meat.

They basically claim that we are not meant to eat flesh, simply because we can not eat it without the intervention of other terms, ie tools. They took lions as an example, they said lions rip the hell out of their prey(ok they didn't actually said this one), ate the flesh as is and drank the prey's blood, and they enjoyed the whole process. They also stated that lions have sharp teeth (well we too have some big teeth deep there) and sharp claws for this job. Then they said that humans don't have either sharp teeth or claws, and mainly pointing out that a human can't even stand the smell of bloody meat, because it is conceived as "gross" and a human would never drink the animal's blood and enjoy it as we enjoy a beer or coca-cola or any drink we like. (Sure there might be exceptions to this one).

With theese and similar reasons they concluded to the fact that human in its present form is not a meat-eater, and only by-products such as eggs and milk are only acceptable.

Even if they sounded quite reasonable, they still wanted to promote their company by advertising travels etc about vegetarianism and similar "healthy living" foods and stuff.

There is also the "we are what we eat" statement.

So you either eat too much meat and are obsessed with it,
or you just like it too much, for some reason.

If you eat too much meat I would suggest that you eat less red meat, and more white, but you will probably already know this one, I just remind it.

Who knows maybe we shouldn't eat any meat at all, or eat some but very limited amounts of it.

At the end red meat really is a sponge filled with poisons.

Poor animals.

[Chimerical]

White meat is good, especially little boys. mmm mmm good!

[tp6626]

Some time ago I read an article from some vegetarians who reasoned why humans are not meant to eat meat, any meat.

They basically claim that we are not meant to eat flesh, simply because we can not eat it without the intervention of other terms, ie tools. They took lions as an example, they said lions rip the hell out of their prey(ok they didn't actually said this one), ate the flesh as is and drank the prey's blood, and they enjoyed the whole process. They also stated that lions have sharp teeth (well we too have some big teeth deep there) and sharp claws for this job. Then they said that humans don't have either sharp teeth or claws, and mainly pointing out that a human can't even stand the smell of bloody meat, because it is conceived as "gross" and a human would never drink the animal's blood and enjoy it as we enjoy a beer or coca-cola or any drink we like. (Sure there might be exceptions to this one).

With theese and similar reasons they concluded to the fact that human in its present form is not a meat-eater, and only by-products such as eggs and milk are only acceptable.

Even if they sounded quite reasonable, they still wanted to promote their company by advertising travels etc about vegetarianism and similar "healthy living" foods and stuff.

There is also the "we are what we eat" statement.

So you either eat too much meat and are obsessed with it,
or you just like it too much, for some reason.

If you eat too much meat I would suggest that you eat less red meat, and more white, but you will probably already know this one, I just remind it.

Who knows maybe we shouldn't eat any meat at all, or eat some but very limited amounts of it.

At the end red meat really is a sponge filled with poisons.

Poor animals.

What has that got to do with the original question!? What a waste of time / effort typing, hehe!

[Motor Jax]

cat... the other white meat...

[zief]

I have a bad habit of eating raw hamburger meat.
I have a very hard time with meatloaf,beef, egg, veggys.

You better watch out for ecoli with raw hamburger meat, just read Toxin by Robin Cook and you wont eat beef for weeks, at least i didnt.

[rwyatt365]

Humans are omnivores, plain and simple. We are generalists and have adaptations that allow us to consume both meat and vegitation. Our evolutionary path (for those of us that cater to that theory) had placed us squarely between the meat-eaters and the vegitation-eaters, and - as such - we are not optimized for either. The "lion comparison" is just so much hogwash!

Eating "too much" vegetables is just as detrimental to the body as "too much" meat. There are things in meat that cannot be had in a full-vegetable diet. That is why many who try it become weak, ill, or resort to dietary suppliments. But few talk about that.

As for red meat just being a sponge full of poisons, it is no more so than that veggie grown in the garden. Those veggies absorb everything from the ground they are grown in - garbage in, garbage out. Eating meat from animals treated with the TLC that some of those organic, natural, pampered veggies receive would result in "cleaner" meat as well. That, to me, is a non-argument.

Should we eat as MUCH meat as we do? Probably not. But I resist anyone that suggests that "all meat is bad".

"Poor animals"?! Well, tomatos have feelings too! They are living things, where is the compassion for their feelings - being ripped from their source of nourishment, cut up while still alive (did you think of that?), and then eaten alive or cooked. What about veggie rights? Who mourns for the spinach?

Think about it...

[azelismia]

Humans are omnivores, plain and simple. We are generalists and have adaptations that allow us to consume both meat and vegitation. Our evolutionary path (for those of us that cater to that theory) had placed us squarely between the meat-eaters and the vegitation-eaters, and - as such - we are not optimized for either. The "lion comparison" is just so much hogwash!

Eating "too much" vegetables is just as detrimental to the body as "too much" meat. There are things in meat that cannot be had in a full-vegetable diet. That is why many who try it become weak, ill, or resort to dietary suppliments. But few talk about that.

As for red meat just being a sponge full of poisons, it is no more so than that veggie grown in the garden. Those veggies absorb everything from the ground they are grown in - garbage in, garbage out. Eating meat from animals treated with the TLC that some of those organic, natural, pampered veggies receive would result in "cleaner" meat as well. That, to me, is a non-argument.

Should we eat as MUCH meat as we do? Probably not. But I resist anyone that suggests that "all meat is bad".

"Poor animals"?! Well, tomatos have feelings too! They are living things, where is the compassion for their feelings - being ripped from their source of nourishment, cut up while still alive (did you think of that?), and then eaten alive or cooked. What about veggie rights? Who mourns for the spinach?

Think about it...

That is one of the most tired and ridiculous arguments out there. Trying to make a living condition such as suffering, ridiculous is cop out. At least argue it honestly. The animals we get meat from do suffer. Their whole life is based on suffering (except possibly teh free range variety). it's not kind and it is reality. They are indeed poor animals.

[Marcus]

That is one of the most tired and ridiculous arguments out there. Trying to make a living condition such as suffering, ridiculous is cop out. At least argue it honestly. The animals we get meat from do suffer. Their whole life is based on suffering (except possibly teh free range variety). it's not kind and it is reality. They are indeed poor animals.

I always thought that the greatest advantage of being INTJ is that you don't have to think about moral consequences when eating meat.

[azelismia]

I always thought that the greatest advantage of being INTJ is that you don't have to think about moral consequences when eating meat.


Why would that be? Because Intj's don't think about the consequences of their actions??

[Marcus]

Why would that be? Because Intj's don't think about the consequences of their actions??

Consequences Smonsequences... Moral consequences are related to feelings... something a healthy INTJ is not supposed to experience.

INTJ: cold and hard inside and out.

At least this is what I've gathered from an INFJ site:
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[szaxazs]

What has that got to do with the original question!? What a waste of time / effort typing, hehe!
Well I went quite deeper than the "Has raw meat ever appealed to you?" question needed me to go:bucktooth:. Not that much waste of time, no significant effort at all :)

Rwyatt, I do think too that we are omnivores.
Imo I think that meat has more poison than fruits/vegetables.
Also, the animals produce some bad hormones (for us) when they are treated as they are treaded now, which makes them worse if we say that both animals and plants take the same x amount of poisons. They will just have this extra from the treatement. The tomato, the banana, theese stay always there. There's no much martyrdom going on. And there's no clear scientific evidence that the tomato you eat is a living organism or not. Some biologists say it is, others say it is not. Not clear, we can't be absolute that the spinach we boil is boiled alive nor the banana is eaten alive. And who assures me that all living things have feelings? Well, I find some logic in the statement that all living things must have feelings, and there are some experiments with music and such, but we can't be sure. A frequency might make some processes of the plant work better/faster, and that's why the plant grows faster/shinier. On the other hand if you beat the hell out of a cow, it most probably will cry. Animals do cry. You don't know if a daisy struggles in pain when you remove a petal, but you know that a dog would be fucked up if you popped out one of its legs.

One must target for proper/optimum nutrition, therefore one must eat wisely.
Both fruits/veggies and meat have their own important nutrients, and one must eat both, responsively.

And no, raw meat has never appealed to me:freak:

[thod]

We are omnivores. I am not going into all the evidence for it.

The main case against raw meat is you can get intestinal parasites from it. The eggs are in the flesh, pork being bad for this, but beef and even fish are the same.

[Aronnax]

Well I went quite deeper than the "Has raw meat ever appealed to you?" question needed me to go:bucktooth:. Not that much waste of time, no significant effort at all :)

Rwyatt, I do think too that we are omnivores.
Imo I think that meat has more poison than fruits/vegetables.
Also, the animals produce some bad hormones (for us) when they are treated as they are treaded now, which makes them worse if we say that both animals and plants take the same x amount of poisons. They will just have this extra from the treatement. The tomato, the banana, theese stay always there. There's no much martyrdom going on. And there's no clear scientific evidence that the tomato you eat is a living organism or not. Some biologists say it is, others say it is not. Not clear, we can't be absolute that the spinach we boil is boiled alive nor the banana is eaten alive.

Plants are a living organism, this has been an established fact for longer than you've been alive, spend 5 minutes with Google.

You could debate if a plant is capable of suffering and what level of suffering in another living thing is acceptable to insure your own survival. Such an arguement would be a rational but don't try to redefine "living".

[azelismia]

Consequences Smonsequences... Moral consequences are related to feelings... something a healthy INTJ is not supposed to experience.

INTJ: cold and hard inside and out.

At least this is what I've gathered from an INFJ site:
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Righttt. because thinking of consequences isn't logical at all.. yup, I believe everything I read that the infj's write.

[thod]

You dont have to have suffering even for meat. You could scrape up road pizza. I guess the crows would suffer some as you take their food source.

[Aronnax]

Righttt. because thinking of consequences isn't logical at all.. yup, I believe everything I read that the infj's write.

Get with the program Az, we're heartless automatons bent on world domination. Don't you get it? It's on the internet so it must be true!

[azelismia]

Get with the program Az, we're heartless automatons bent on world domination. Don't you get it? It's on the internet so it must be true!


Dang it, I had the settings so high on my tin foil hat that nothing was getting thru. I've had to go and remove that extra aluminum foil.. Maybe I should coat it with silver foil instead?

Right heartless... having one's heart removed is rather drastic, often fatal even.. perhaps a lobotomy would suffice?

[Marcus]

Righttt. because thinking of consequences isn't logical at all.. yup, I believe everything I read that the infj's write.

If you're cold and hard inside and out then suffering doesn't matter (except your own) does it? I'm getting concerned, have you ever considered that you might be an NF?

[azelismia]

If you're cold and hard inside and out then suffering doesn't matter (except your own) does it? I'm getting concerned, have you ever considered that you might be an NF?


Of course I've considered it, then rejected it. it doesnt' fit. If you're cold and hard inside and out you're more likely psychopathic than NT. There is a difference.. many people don't seem to get that.

*sets bad thought zapper on Marcus's wave length to keep him from having bad thoughts with a high powered volt of electricity, silly people who don't wear multiuse tinhats*

Hugz Marcus...

[Marcus]

OK, I took the lesson. Next time I won't post sarcasm without a smiley.

[azelismia]

OK, I took the lesson. Next time I won't post sarcasm without a smiley.


I read on a random NT board that the only people who use smileys are NF..

heretic...

[Marcus]

What if I'm an INFJ? Why else would I read their site? :)

[azelismia]

What if I'm an INFJ? Why else would I read their site? :)


That would explain your cuddly lil icon.

[szaxazs]

Plants are a living organism, this has been an established fact for longer than you've been alive, spend 5 minutes with Google.

You could debate if a plant is capable of suffering and what level of suffering in another living thing is acceptable to insure your own survival. Such an arguement would be a rational but don't try to redefine "living".

"And there's no clear scientific evidence that the tomato you eat is a living organism or not."

Notice: The tomato you eat. When you EAT tomato, you first have to cut it, and if you cut it, tomato is 1)either dead, 2)either living (well if you eat the tomato when it is still in its "home" this is a different story). When I said about living organisms this is what I meant. Maybe you misunderstood me. And we talked about this in this year's biology class. When you eat a fruit/vegetable you had previously cut, the half biologist community states that it is a living organism, the other half says it is not.

However I spent some time with google searching about "plants have feelings", so as to make sure that I would write valid stuff. I guess the last one implies I know using google.

I do not try to redefine living. First of all, it has not been actually clearly defined at all, so, how can I redefine something that is not defined? (commonly by the science community)

Before advising people to spend 5 minutes with google, I think it would be better to pay some more attention reading what others write.

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[Aronnax]

Dang it, I had the settings so high on my tin foil hat that nothing was getting thru. I've had to go and remove that extra aluminum foil.. Maybe I should coat it with silver foil instead?

Right heartless... having one's heart removed is rather drastic, often fatal even.. perhaps a lobotomy would suffice?


Nah, we're like flatworms, we don't have a circulatory system at all. Just a digestive system that diffuses all nutrients directly to our cells. It's more efficient plus you can cut us in half and get 2 INTJs. I read that on the internet too.





Aronnax added to this post, 11 minutes and 2 seconds later...

"And there's no clear scientific evidence that the tomato you eat is a living organism or not."

Notice: The tomato you eat. When you EAT tomato, you first have to cut it, and if you cut it, tomato is 1)either dead, 2)either living (well if you eat the tomato when it is still in its "home" this is a different story). When I said about living organisms this is what I meant. Maybe you misunderstood me. And we talked about this in this year's biology class. When you eat a fruit/vegetable you had previously cut, the half biologist community states that it is a living organism, the other half says it is not.

When you eat animal parts they're not alive anymore either.

A plant starts out alive, an animal starts out alive. In order for you to gain nourishment from them they're going to die at some point in the process. Even fruit, which is just a part of the plant, has to die. You're killing it's seeds either by directly devouring them or by starving them because you ate their food sac.

You kill to live, either with your own hands or by proxy. You can draw lines around what's acceptable to kill but until you turn green and convert sunlight into sugar you're going to have to end the life of other organisms to sustain yours.

[Mafiaangel180]

Yeah, raw is appealing. I remember watching tv and seeing either a cartoon raw steak or a real raw steak over the eye or something and thinking it looked good. Lol. If I knew I wouldn't get sick, I would probably eat it. It eat sushi. Lol...but the hottest thing ever was when Bear Grylls at that live salmon. *sigh*

Oh, also, I knew some older people who ate raw hamburger. While making patties or whatever, they would just ball it up with a little salt and pepper. I think my grandfather fed it to me once.

[azelismia]

Nah, we're like flatworms, we don't have a circulatory system at all. Just a digestive system that diffuses all nutrients directly to our cells. It's more efficient plus you can cut us in half and get 2 INTJs. I read that on the internet too.





Aronnax added to this post, 11 minutes and 2 seconds later...



When you eat animal parts they're not alive anymore either.

A plant starts out alive, an animal starts out alive. In order for you to gain nourishment from them they're going to die at some point in the process. Even fruit, which is just a part of the plant, has to die. You're killing it's seeds either by directly devouring them or by starving them by eating their food sac.

You kill to live, either with your own hands or by proxy. You can draw lines around what's acceptable to kill but until you turn green and convert sunlight into sugar you're going to have to end the life of other organisms to sustain yours.


consciousness is a more relevant deciding factor than life.

So are INTJ's Conscious? What happens if you splice them together? I couldn't find my innertubes to check it...

[szaxazs]

Well I think we kinda reached to a conclusion Aronnax.
I do agree that in the process of digestion no matter what happens something is probably going to "die", in order for us to take energy from it. But however, energy is never lost, it is passed to other levels! So that's why there's some confusion here. Actually no energy is ever lost.

And about the plants, once more, we are not sure whether the brocolli we eat is a living organism or not.
The beef however is.
A dead organism.

But it would rock if we could photosynthesize.

You know, biologists now try to combine animals with plants, which are called phytozoa (phyto=plant + zoa=animals in Greek, meaning plant-like animals)(not zoophyte, this is another thing). So do not be astonished in the future if you see some green cows with leaves and twigs photosynthesizing and making milk.

consciousness is a more relevant deciding factor than life.

So are INTJ's Conscious? What happens if you splice them together? I couldn't find my innertubes to check it...
Well I guess that we have consciousness since we have a Central Nervous System. If we can move our legs with hyper-psychic power then we really rock.

[Aronnax]

consciousness is a more relevant deciding factor than life.


It certainly makes a better basis for a moral arguement. Personally I don't believe plants are conscious but I bet we could dig up an old hippie who'd tell us everything is conscious:mad:


So are INTJ's Conscious? What happens if you splice them together? I couldn't find my innertubes to check it...

INTJs are conscious and if you splice two of them together you get this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). It spends all it's time chasing villagers around and arguing on the internet.

[azelismia]

Well I think we kinda reached to a conclusion Aronnax.
I do agree that in the process of digestion no matter what happens something is probably going to "die", in order for us to take energy from it. But however, energy is never lost, it is passed to other levels! So that's why there's some confusion here. Actually no energy is ever lost.

And about the plants, once more, we are not sure whether the brocolli we eat is a living organism or not.
The beef however is.
A dead organism.

But it would rock if we could photosynthesize.

You know, biologists now try to combine animals with plants, which are called phytozoa (phyto=plant + zoa=animals in Greek, meaning plant-like animals)(not zoophyte, this is another thing). So do not be astonished in the future if you see some green cows with leaves and twigs photosynthesizing and making milk.


Well I guess that we have consciousness since we have a Central Nervous System. If we can move our legs with hyper-psychic power then we really rock.



uh wow, szaxazs I'll have whatever you're having. Your state of existence sounds a lot more fun than mine. Do the pigs all fly there too?








azelismia added to this post, 2 minutes and 48 seconds later...

It certainly makes a better basis for a moral arguement. Personally I don't believe plants are conscious but I bet we could dig up an old hippie who'd tell us everything is conscious:mad:



INTJs are conscious and if you splice two of them together you get this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). It spends all it's time chasing villagers around and arguing on the internet.



Well, we've already dug up szaxazs.. who thinks cows are on the verge of
photosynthesizing.. does he count as an old hippy? I suspect a young hippy will do just as well.

love the visuals on teh spliced intj...
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[szaxazs]

Well, you can discredit me for as long as you like!

When I will have my own ranch of special genetically-engineered photosynthesizing cows with leaves and twigs and shit and have them produce TONS of UBER-MILK you will be begging me to sell you the formula!!!!!

HAHA GOGO PHOTOSYNTHESIZING COWS!!

Hmm flying pigs eh?
I will consider that too.
Maybe in the future I will hire you as a member of the brainstorming team with the target of creating new phytozoa.

Specimen #1:Photocow!

I found my ideal future!
Damn this is great.

Ok I'm recruiting staff for the future organization, who would like to be a member?

[elsdfr]

I like smilies :cheesy: :irked: :gorgeous:

[fonmaneal]

I have eaten numerious insects, just swallowing the larva.(they wiggle)
So far, no problems.
And I have eaten raw pork. It was good.
I think if the plant was still able to photosynthesize, it is alive.:)

[azelismia]

I like smilies :cheesy: :irked: :gorgeous:


Wow, this reminded me of one of my all time favorite songs that I haven't thought of in years and years.

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[szaxazs]

I am proud
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[azelismia]

I am proud
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srsly... can has what you hassing??

Kai thx bai

[demvesalius]

For an Anthropology class I dissected a baby gorilla, but lately I've been dissecting ducks. Every time I cut trough the belly of a duck and uncover the skin around the breast muscle I think to myself, "Mmmm, duck mean, I bet I could grill this." The only thing that stops me is that the ducks have been in a refrigerator for over a year.

As far as eating the duck meat raw, nope! But I do find gutting the ducks and looking at their organs rather exhilarating and exciting...

...thus as the name goes: dem-"vesalius"...of course I also like to dissect other stuff then flesh, like the social systems around me.

[HankB]

This is really strange, but am I all alone here?

Probably not but you would be putting yourself at serious risk by eating raw pork especially, but other meat as well. Trichinellosis is not pleasant. If you are in the so-called developing world your probability of getting it is even greater.

Now that I am done with my public service announcement I will tell you that you should wait until you get to Paris someday and try the Steak Tartar. Which is a combination of raw beef and horse meat. I hardly ever eat meat but when I was in Paris I found a place that supposedly had a good rep for serving up the raw meat and tried it. I had a big dish of it with a bottle of wine. It was great. I'm still kickin'.

[szaxazs]

My beloved phytocow is quite ready. (photocow reminded me of fotonman in AoE1 and I decided to change it. A cow shooting lasers from its eyes or doing any shoop da whoop would be too sick even for me. Or not? hehehe)(A phytocow with lasers on its eyes AND shoop da whoop skillz however would be awesome, wow, a protector AND food! In the future, FOOD PROTECTS YOU. Wow my phytocow must be from Soviet Russia, now that's something funny)

I only have to make it! Heh, I am so close. Damn I'm too fast even for me.

And its meat will be better than any other meat.
Damn Antares I promise to give you the first Phytocow meal.

It has 1000% of RDA of all the essential nutrients, of all the non-essential nutrients, and even of all the nutrients not yet discovered.
It's more than perfect.
Its phytocow.

(This is called advertising)

[azelismia]

My beloved phytocow is quite ready. (photocow reminded me of fotonman in AoE1 and I decided to change it. A cow shooting lasers from its eyes or doing any shoop da whoop would be too sick even for me. Or not? hehehe)(A phytocow with lasers on its eyes AND shoop da whoop skillz however would be awesome, wow, a protector AND food! In the future, FOOD PROTECTS YOU. Wow my phytocow must be from soviet russia, now that's something funny)

I only have to make it! Heh, I am so close. Damn I'm too fast even for me.

And its meat will be better than any other meat.
Damn Antares I promise to give you the first Phytocow meal.

It has 1000% of RDA of all the essential nutrients, of all the non-essential nutrients, and even of all the nutrients not yet discovered.
It's more than perfect.
Its phytocow.

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it's log. LOG it's big it's heavy it's wood
it's log log.. it's better than bad it's good.
everyone loves a log
you better get your log

From blammo

[fonmaneal]

My beloved phytocow is quite ready. (photocow reminded me of fotonman in AoE1 and I decided to change it. A cow shooting lasers from its eyes or doing any shoop da whoop would be too sick even for me. Or not? hehehe)(A phytocow with lasers on its eyes AND shoop da whoop skillz however would be awesome, wow, a protector AND food! In the future, FOOD PROTECTS YOU. Wow my phytocow must be from Soviet Russia, now that's something funny)

I only have to make it! Heh, I am so close. Damn I'm too fast even for me.

And its meat will be better than any other meat.
Damn Antares I promise to give you the first Phytocow meal.

It has 1000% of RDA of all the essential nutrients, of all the non-essential nutrients, and even of all the nutrients not yet discovered.
It's more than perfect.
Its phytocow.

(This is called advertising)

Way too health to taste good.
Wheres the candy coating?

[ThaiGreenTea]

If it was a raw living animal's meat who just got killed 10 seconds ago, I might try. But factory-processed store-packaged meat? Not a chance.

[fonmaneal]

If it was a raw living animal's meat who just got killed 10 seconds ago, I might try. But factory-processed store-packaged meat? Not a chance.

Meat like wine, needs to age:)
That goes for women as well.

[azelismia]

Meat like wine, needs to age:)
That goes for women as well.



*adding zaclor to the list of ppls to be v. afeard of. I must have missed the cannibals only sign on the entrance..

[szaxazs]

Way too health to taste good.
Wheres the candy coating?

Hehe when I make my first phytocow male and female and they make phytocowlies (reminds me of The Great Cow-Lee, wtf) the world will become a better place to live.

Hmm advanced molecular biotechnology processing means that we might screw it up in terms of taste, but who knows, it might turn out to be good.
Chocolate-Flavoured Phytocow Meat. Sounds kewl.

Hey mah phytocows need no candy, they will have enough glucosides already.

[elsdfr]

Wow, this reminded me of one of my all time favorite songs that I haven't thought of in years and years.

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Damn they stole my line... perhaps this kid watched it too much, either way he's really going places, I can tell! To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I'm still waiting for the perfect time to use this line. It makes me giggle.

...his parents really should feed him some raw, bloody, red meat though... MMmmm

[rwyatt365]

That is one of the most tired and ridiculous arguments out there. Trying to make a living condition such as suffering, ridiculous is cop out. At least argue it honestly. The animals we get meat from do suffer. Their whole life is based on suffering (except possibly teh free range variety). it's not kind and it is reality. They are indeed poor animals.
The latter part of my post was meant to indicate that a living animal, and a living plant are just that - ALIVE. To say that it's OK to kill a plant (or it's progeny) but not to kill an animal is "elitist", and inconsistent with the "all life is precious" attitude that many vegitarian/vegan/??? people spout. If all life is precious, what of the life of the plants that they kill for their consumption.

I don't deny the suffering of any animal that dies for my "pleasure", I accept it and move on. It is a brutal fact of nature that something must die so that I might live. Same for you, same for everyone and every thing. Nothing is free. So, I acknowledge the death of the cow (or chicken, or pig) when I eat meat. Do you acknowledge the death of a plant when you eat a salad? That was my point. So the animals suffer, so do the plants.

...And there's no clear scientific evidence that the tomato you eat is a living organism or not. Some biologists say it is, others say it is not. Not clear, we can't be absolute that the spinach we boil is boiled alive nor the banana is eaten alive. And who assures me that all living things have feelings? Well, I find some logic in the statement that all living things must have feelings, and there are some experiments with music and such, but we can't be sure.
We can get into phylosophical discussions about sentience and feelings, and the like. But as far as life is concerned, I don't think that there is a responsible scientist anywhere that will dispute the fact that plants are alive. If you take a tissue sample from yourself, and a tissue sample from a plant, you will find similar structures in both that indicate that both are animate (i.e. living) "beings".

As to whether a plant suffers, or not. There are arguments on both sides of the case. I would offer this thought; who has ever talked to a plant to know whether it suffers or not? Until a plant (or any other creature/being/etc...) can offer it's own experience to any human, can we ever say we KNOW what that creature experiences? I would say, "No".

A plant starts out alive, an animal starts out alive. In order for you to gain nourishment from them they're going to die at some point in the process. Even fruit, which is just a part of the plant, has to die. You're killing it's seeds either by directly devouring them or by starving them because you ate their food sac.

You kill to live, either with your own hands or by proxy. You can draw lines around what's acceptable to kill but until you turn green and convert sunlight into sugar you're going to have to end the life of other organisms to sustain yours.
...my point exactly.

consciousness is a more relevant deciding factor than life.
Again, to my argument above. Can we definitively say that a plant is not conscious? And again, I would say, "No".

We theorize based on using us (humanity) as a benchmark. We say that plants cannot be conscious because they don't have a brain, with higher centers of thought. "We are superior, they are just plants." So, it is OK for us to treat them in any manner that we see fit. That is just our arrogance speaking, nothing more.

[Elfrun]

[disclaimer I'm not vegetarian to save souls, I simply despise the taste of meat, kill 'em I don't care, really]

OH MY GOD... I'm never touching another 'mato again, I never considered it may have feelings too. I feel so shamed.


I can't believe where this thread has ended up, you're supposed to be talking about raw meat people :suspicious:

[rwyatt365]

...they started it!

[szaxazs]

That was my point. So the animals suffer, so do the plants.

WRONG.
PLANTS have NO nervous system. As far as I know nothing w/o CNS can suffer. The bug-eater plants move because of HYDRAULICS. Its because of water that some plants happen to clamp the bees and other meals.

And here's the final hit:
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"There is no science today that supports the belief that plants experience pain—devoid as they are of central nervous systems, nerve endings, and brains. The main reason why animals have the ability to experience pain is so that they can protect themselves from harm. If you touch something that hurts you, the pain teaches you to leave it alone in the future. Since plants cannot move to escape pain and lack the mobility or processes to learn to avoid certain things, the ability to feel pain would be superfluous and evolutionarily illogical in plants.

Even if plants were able to suffer, it wouldn’t justify causing pain and distress to animals like dogs, cows, rodents, or chickens, who we know are capable of great suffering."

EOF.

[rwyatt365]

WRONG.
PLANTS have NO nervous system. As far as I know nothing w/o CNS can suffer. The bug-eater plants move because of HYDRAULICS. Its because of water that some plants happen to clamp the bees and other meals.
Again, I say you consider that the nervous system is the ONLY mechanism through which an organism can feel pain, and/or suffer. That is an animal-centric viewpoint and can't be substantiated through fact (just through theory). You are not a plant, you cannot know.

And here's the final hit:
PETA (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.):
"There is no science today that supports the belief that plants experience pain—devoid as they are of central nervous systems, nerve endings, and brains. The main reason why animals have the ability to experience pain is so that they can protect themselves from harm. If you touch something that hurts you, the pain teaches you to leave it alone in the future. Since plants cannot move to escape pain and lack the mobility or processes to learn to avoid certain things, the ability to feel pain would be superfluous and evolutionarily illogical in plants.
Plants lack complete mobility, true. But plants do, indeed "move" to avoid things that cause harm (to the best of their ability). One can attribute this to mere hydrodynamics, etc... but an amoeba does the same, yet is classified as an animal. Pain is simply a means to warn the creature that "something is wrong" and to do something about it. A plant's ability to evade destruction (within it's means) is as essential to it, as it is for an animal. Therefore, pain would not be superfluous, but rather a highly desirable attribute.

Even if plants were able to suffer, it wouldn’t justify causing pain and distress to animals like dogs, cows, rodents, or chickens, who we know are capable of great suffering."
I make none of my points to justify any suffering for any creature. I merely acknowledge that death is an inevitability for life, whether is be animal or vegetable. I don't condone, nor seek suffering - I recognize that it exists and don't try to hide it under a rug. Nor do I justify it or deny it for one (plants) while abhoring it for another (animals). It's all the same.

[Wapiti]

Face it, your a plant killer. The plant dies so that you may live. What does pain have to do with it? When did pain become the reason for PETA to exist, maybe it should change to People Against Pain (PAP for short) and they could run some kind of smear campaign against eating animals because of the pain inflicted. We could call it the great 'PAP smear' campaign.

I've never had a craving for raw meat myself but I have tried it. I prefer a slight flame kissing at a minimum.

[Aronnax]

Again, I say you consider that the nervous system is the ONLY mechanism through which an organism can feel pain, and/or suffer. That is an animal-centric viewpoint and can't be substantiated through fact (just through theory). You are not a plant, you cannot know.


Actually plants have internal chemical signaling to indicate damage. If you were to look at a CNS it's not a direct bioelectric mechanism connecting the brain to our extremities, there's also chemical signaling involved in neurotransmission. In this sense a plant does indeed experience "pain".

The most rational arguement would be "How smart does something have to get before I refuse to eat it?" and I believe that's the core of the "consciousness" arguement.

So... about that raw meat...

[rwyatt365]

...still like mine medium (a little pink). :thumbsup:

[Wapiti]

Did someone say PINK?

[rwyatt365]

Down boy!

[szaxazs]

Yep, previously we've been terribly off-topic.

We sure all are damned killers, this is a sure fact, and as stated, unevitable. We all agree here, noone ever said something different.

I am trying to find out whether plants experience SUFFERING or not. (Well I know I won't find out, I am not a plant, how could I know.)

May be I will start another thread about this topic later.

[Elfrun]

wtf, what is you're obsession with pink whyme? please educate me...

[Marcus]

I have eaten numerious insects
That's it! Unconscious source of protein.

I've already tried fried grasshoppers (and raw cockchafer as a child). Still have to get used to larvae.

[szaxazs]

Still have to get used to larvae.

Try it with black bread and peanut butter and then tell me.

[Marcus]

Try it with black bread and peanut butter and then tell me.

Any suggestion for the wine to drink along?

[azelismia]

Any suggestion for the wine to drink along?

the cheapest rose' possible

[Marcus]

the cheapest rose' possible

Why the cheapest? Is that not bad taste?

[azelismia]

Why the cheapest? Is that not bad taste?


equal pairing. Larvae pb and brownbread are on par I'd say. You wouldn't want one to upstage the other.

[szaxazs]

Why do you people keep forgetting about the giant tube worms. Their meat is unmatched. You enjoy to see poor giant tube worms sad. Now you made them cry. Why are all of you so mean.

Wine goes perfectly with giant tubeworms and some dip by the way. I would suggest mustard, hazelnut&cocoa cream, lard, pink rotten tomatoes, recluse spiders, daddy long-legs, snake blood and sheep bile with onions. Put them all in a blender and here you have the perfect dip, from doritos to giant tube worms.

Yiiiiha.

[Caesar]

Never appealed to me - I'm vegetarian. Maybe the only INTJ here that is? :suspicious:

[ThaiGreenTea]

Never appealed to me - I'm vegetarian. Maybe the only INTJ here that is? :suspicious:

Probably.. Everyone else rationalized it would be inefficient to not use our molars and utilize our enzymes to break apart animal proteins or something. xD

[Elfrun]

Never appealed to me - I'm vegetarian. Maybe the only INTJ here that is? :suspicious:

Caesar *waves*

I'm the ultimate fan of raw meat, I like it so raw it's still mooing, literally



<----- never mind what that says, I'm really INTJ

[Caesar]

Probably.. Everyone else rationalized it would be inefficient to not use our molars and utilize our enzymes to break apart animal proteins or something. xD

I've read the first 1.5 pages, and it seemed relatively safe to assume that the rest of the posts were of a similar quality.


Caesar *waves*

I'm the ultimate fan of raw meat, I like it so raw it's still mooing, literally


Heya Trinity :)
Interesting choice there

[Antares]

Antares is this true? Are you trying to tell us something in this thread, and with your new avatar!?

Yes this is true... I might be trying to tell you something... You never know :devilish:

[Elfrun]

I've read the first 1.5 pages, and it seemed relatively safe to assume that the rest of the posts were of a similar quality.

There's your problem... the fun doesn't start till the third page :thumbsup:


Heya Trinity :)
Interesting choice there
Not understanding - humour or confusion :undecided: ... just in case... that was my stoopid way of saying I'm vegetarian.

[Antares]

Probably not but you would be putting yourself at serious risk by eating raw pork especially, but other meat as well. Trichinellosis is not pleasant. If you are in the so-called developing world your probability of getting it is even greater.

Now that I am done with my public service announcement I will tell you that you should wait until you get to Paris someday and try the Steak Tartar. Which is a combination of raw beef and horse meat. I hardly ever eat meat but when I was in Paris I found a place that supposedly had a good rep for serving up the raw meat and tried it. I had a big dish of it with a bottle of wine. It was great. I'm still kickin'.

Haha. I just have the craving for it whenever I'm near it, but I haven't been tempted enough to eat any, no.

[Caesar]

Not understanding - humour or confusion :undecided: ... just in case... that was my stoopid way of saying I'm vegetarian.

LOL!!!!
You were actually the one person I thought might be vegetarian thanks to a post of yours i saw yesterday or the day before....


<----- never mind what that says, I'm really INTJ

....and read that on your public profile while trying to see if you actually were vegetarian :p

[OneBadMother]

Raw beef and fish can be pretty delicious. Tuna and beef are actually better when they have cold red centers.

[Danisty]

I know this is an extremely strange question, but that's my problem right now. I would always look at raw meat (like raw dumpling ingredients), especially minced raw meat as appealing. A few days ago my class was dissecting a pig heart. I took a look and casually commented (I'm NOT sure if I'm joking. Many a times, I can't even tell if I'm being seriously or not. Naturally, other people find this even more puzzling, not being in my shoes) "That looks edible". My teacher gave me a look and said: "Well, you can eat it if you want..." A couple of my classmates raised their eyebrows at me and some dared me to eat it for money (about $100 US). Just then, I went down to the kitchen to get some snack. I saw minced raw meat again and found myself fantasizing about dinner (I LOVE eating). I've heard somewhere that it suggests rabies or animalistic, unconstrained nature. Uh oh.

This is really strange, but am I all alone here?I don't know. It depends on what you mean. I eat sushi all the time, but some people (for reasons I'll never understand) don't consider fish meat.

When I see raw meat, I can get very hungry, but in the end, I'm going to cook it before I eat it. I do like my steak rare though.

[Terian]

i LOVE raw meat, but i always flavor it either on the grill or stove for about 45 minutes before consumption... usually on hi heat...Wow! Me too! We're so alike!

[quest ion]

I only eat raw fish. Haha. Gotta love sashimi.

[MrEPenguin]

I eat sushi and sashimi... So yes...:thumbsup:

[Caesar]

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Does anyone disagree (it's a no-brainer question, but whatever)? On what basis?