Gangs

[PRBori]

I have a question regarding gangs.

For the past week someone close to me is being followed by Gang members for no other reason except the fact that the person close to me was wearing the wrong color clothes... I guess gangs go by clothes color and the person close to me loves to always dress up and match. Nevertheless, the person close to me has notice that he is being follow by different people wherever he goes and gets phone calls from people telling him that the gang is after him.

According to the person close to me he is being follow by people. Now the person close to me lives in Newark, NJ and I guess the area where he is at is mainly black gangs... not that I have anything due to color, but it just happens that all the people following the person close to me are black people in luxury cars and vans. Nevertheless, the person next to me contacted me today to let me know that if anything happen to him I could at least know the reason why. The person close to me also told me that the Newark Police seem to be corrupted and working along this huge gang... I at first though no way.. nevertheless I call the Newark Police tonight and ask them to send a police over the person close to me to check and see what's going on.... however, they didn't show up. the policeman that answer the phone as soon as I gave her the address of the person close to me kept asking me if the person next to me had mental issues and she repeated that 10 times which got over my nerves but I just kept my patience... she indicated that they would send someone out but nothing happened. I contacted back the person close to me and he indicated that the police never showed up... instead more gang members appear outside the place.

The person close to me is very smart for he grew up in the streets so he knows everything... which is why I have no doubt. Somebody call him and told him that he was being set-up... that means the gang members loaded his car with drugs or something so that the person next to me goes down. Nevertheless, the person next to me knows from someone that the Newark Police is working with this gang and I'm just having a hard time trying to deal with it.

You see, if the person close to me gets kill, then that mean I will loose two people close to me at once... and I mean really close to me. Practically everything I have left in my life outside my kids and I have not being able to sleep... and I don't know what to do either for I know that gangs do anything and as he said they are just waiting to see him alone to kill him....

I know people would think that he is crazy or that I'm crazy but I know the person next to me inside out and he is not crazy, he is special education for he cannot read or write, but he is extremely intelligent... I mean so intelligent that he converted an automatic car to standard... very good mechanic which means he is not stupid if he can figure out how to transformed a car.

I'm worry.. I don't know what to do and I don't know what to think of the whole situation. I'm so worry that I decided to buy a stun gun myself just in case this whole thing goes out of wack...

Does anyone knows anything about gangs behavior? I know there are many corrupted policemen but the whole agency? I don't know what to think but I didn't like the lady that answered me today... nevertheless they didn't even bother to go and somehow the gang members increased after the call I made.

[Bioplasmoid]

In parts of this country, it is foolish to wear certain head scarves or sweatshirts that have strong blue or red colors, as our local gangs instantly assume an allegiance with this or that.

Is it not possible for your friend to collect some evidence of his own, to prove his assertions to the local police? If it does not put him in danger, he could discreetly take pictures of these vehicles that are gathering outside his home. Also would there not be witnesses in some of the situations he finds himself in?

I would have thought the FBI would be more appropriate to contact in this situation. Or do you have to refer all enquiries to local police only in the states?

[PRBori]

In parts of this country, it is foolish to wear certain head scarves or sweatshirts that have strong blue or red colors, as our local gangs instantly assume an allegiance with this or that.

Is it not possible for your friend to collect some evidence of his own, to prove his assertions to the local police? If it does not put him in danger, he could discreetly take pictures of these vehicles that are gathering outside his home. Also would there not be witnesses in some of the situations he finds himself in?

I would have thought the FBI would be more appropriate to contact in this situation. Or do you have to refer all enquiries to local police only in the states?


Well he just moved to the area and I guess was unaware of the gang clothing issues. He wants to stay as low as possible, he even asked me to contact the FBI but I don't know what they could do or who to contact and whether or not they would even do anything about it.

I just contacted the police because he asked me to do so.. but the police itself did not seem to even care and somehow the people outside increase after the call... Currently I'm going thru an FBI investigation so sometimes I feel they are recording my calls.... I'm hoping that the calls between the person close to me and I are recorded... I'm almost certain that they are for I can feel the click on the background, but I'm not 100% sure at this time.

I will call the person close to me tomorrow and see... if this persist any longer I will contact the FBI..although I don't think they are open on Sundays... but will see.

[Bioplasmoid]

Its very difficult for me to comment on your last post, as I do not understand the correct process for someone in your country to undertake in your situation.

If they are recording your calls, and you have committed no offense, then it can only be a good thing. But dont try to analyse the sound on your phone, it will just make you anxious, and by the sounds of it you hardly need more anxiety! There are many different causes of clicks and pops on the PSTN phone networks (the world over) most of which are related to electrical fluctuations and interference, and there is no point worrying about it really. Just be yourself, and try to trust in all the good people working behind the scenes, to get to the truth.

All I can suggest is try to take your mind off it for now, and relax somehow. Maybe you could contact a citizens advice agency or a counselling line if you are feeling lonely or extremely stressed to the point that you cant sleep or leave the house.

Im sorry I cant be of more help to you.

[PRBori]

Its very difficult for me to comment on your last post, as I do not understand the correct process for someone in your country to undertake in your situation.

If they are recording your calls, and you have committed no offense, then it can only be a good thing. But dont try to analyse the sound on your phone, it will just make you anxious, and by the sounds of it you hardly need more anxiety! There are many different causes of clicks and pops on the PSTN phone networks (the world over) most of which are related to electrical fluctuations and interference, and there is no point worrying about it really. Just be yourself, and try to trust in all the good people working behind the scenes, to get to the truth.

All I can suggest is try to take your mind off it for now, and relax somehow. Maybe you could contact a citizens advice agency or a counselling line if you are feeling lonely or extremely stressed to the point that you cant sleep or leave the house.

Im sorry I cant be of more help to you.

I'm not worry about my calls being recorded at all. I have nothing to hide besides I only talk to 4 people total most of the time... I'm worry only about the person close to me a lot because if he goes down another person who is extremely important to me will go down with him... they are extremely bonded together and that other person is already in bad shape, adding to it will only terminate her.

If the above happen that means I will have no more family members... for those are the main two members I care the most.

[Bioplasmoid]

Then may I suggest, you call one of those 4 people to discuss this worry that you have. :) It will help you feel better to share it with someone that understands you better than a complete stranger on the other side of the world.

[mkay]

What I would do in your situation: I would call the gang unit in my local police or sheriff's office and describe the situation and ask what they would suggest. I would not bring up anyone's name or the name of the possibly corrupt law enforcement agency, just to keep things simple. When you talk to cops, if helps to stick to the basics, then add detail if they ask. Stick to the facts, avoid emotion, and you're more likely to get useful advice.

Personally, if I thought that anyone I loved was in that kind of danger, I would urge them to move asap, even if I had to beg, borrow or steal money to get that done. ... Whether or not the police dept is corrupt, it doesn't seem responsive to what you're reporting.

[PRBori]

What I would do in your situation: I would call the gang unit in my local police or sheriff's office and describe the situation and ask what they would suggest. I would not bring up anyone's name or the name of the possibly corrupt law enforcement agency, just to keep things simple. When you talk to cops, if helps to stick to the basics, then add detail if they ask. Stick to the facts, avoid emotion, and you're more likely to get useful advice.

Personally, if I thought that anyone I loved was in that kind of danger, I would urge them to move asap, even if I had to beg, borrow or steal money to get that done. ... Whether or not the police dept is corrupt, it doesn't seem responsive to what you're reporting.


My issue is that I'm in another state, so I would need to contact the one in his state, but I did contact them last night and the only thing the policeman kept saying is that he has mental problems which I know he doesn't, she really piss me off, but I kept myself together.

As for asking him to leave I did, I told him he can take off and come over but he said that no matter where he goes he is being followed and that last night they had already open up his car and set him up with something, so basically he said that he doesn't know what will happen today. Even when he went to far away places... and by that I meant other state, somehow he keep seeing the same people following him and stearing at him.. I guess this is a huge gang as I would suspect most gangs have their contacts in other states.

I'm a bit concern that if he takes off to come over I will have to deal with the issue and put myself and my kids at danger... but of course my doors are always open.

I don't know what to do, I'll be calling him soon to see what happened, but it kind of reminds me of what's happening in Puerto Rico this days. People kill each other simply because they don't like the person and is sad. Almost everyday I read the news and there are 3-5 deaths of people between 15-30 kill mainly for a single argument.

[Mercury]

@mkay: I agree with you, I'd advise him to leave immediately. There is no reason to live around that sort of thing, the US is a big place with lots of affordable places to live that don't have gangs. He should leave asap. If he won't leave when he has that option and he feels his life is in danger, that's on him.

[mkay]

My issue is that I'm in another state, so I would need to contact the one in his state, but I did contact them last night and the only thing the policeman kept saying is that he has mental problems which I know he doesn't, she really piss me off, but I kept myself together.

As for asking him to leave I did, I told him he can take off and come over but he said that no matter where he goes he is being followed and that last night they had already open up his car and set him up with something, so basically he said that he doesn't know what will happen today. Even when he went to far away places... and by that I meant other state, somehow he keep seeing the same people following him and stearing at him.. I guess this is a huge gang as I would suspect most gangs have their contacts in other states.

I'm a bit concern that if he takes off to come over I will have to deal with the issue and put myself and my kids at danger... but of course my doors are always open.

I don't know what to do, I'll be calling him soon to see what happened, but it kind of reminds me of what's happening in Puerto Rico this days. People kill each other simply because they don't like the person and is sad. Almost everyday I read the news and there are 3-5 deaths of people between 15-30 kill mainly for a single argument.

That's my point: His police dept is unresponsive, so that is not going to be a resource for you. You ask your local gang unit what they would do in such a situation because you're not getting help elsewhere. I think they will tell you to tell them to move, but you should ask in case there's something else you can do. ... If safety were my concern, I wouldn't waste time thinking about what wouldn't work. I would try to think of what would work. If I had to physically hog-tie and kidnap my brother to get him out of such a situation, I would, because I would have a hard time living with anything bad happening to him.

[Jakalwarrior]

Are you sure hes not paranoid dillusional though? Why would they expend so much effort on him? People get into crap for wearing the wrong clothes because they can be mistaken for a member of an opposing gang. Its an on the spot thing. "Hey hes from X gang, lets beat the crap out of him!" or if they have a war going on they "may" kill them. If they were watching him constantly wouldn't they have already figured he isn't in any gang? If they thought he was being a poser for that other gang then they would just kick the crap out of him, not waste expensive merchandise framing him or the threat of permenant incarceration for killing him. The most I could imagine would be them sending some new recruit to kill or beat the crap out of him as initiation, but that is still pretty unlikely. The police are probably thinking the same thing. Gangs = random stupid violence and turf wars. Not serial killers. If they were so methodical there would only be one gang in each city because they would hunt down and kill the other gang members in their homes, as well as anyone who opposed them. They would also get LOTs of national attention and have the FBI all over them. I'm not saying its impossible, it could be some very powerful syndicate etc.. that does operate in a very deliberate manner (Again why bother with him? its a waste) but they are probably deeming it highly unlikely for the above reasons.

Now that this is in his head though, whether it is true or not, hes not going to be happy until he moves. He is always going to have a lingering suspicion.

[PHS Philip]

Jakal, that's what I was thinking too.

It may be that when you called, they dismissed it because it seemed highly unlikely to them.

Even when he went to far away places... and by that I meant other state, somehow he keep seeing the same people following him and stearing at him

That sounds really iffy, to me. Isn't that a pretty classic symptom? I won't pass judgment on his mental state since I don't know him, but it sounds iffy to me.

[mkay]

If there are gang members waiting outside his house, the person who lives with him should see them, too. ... I agree that I think it highly unlikely that a gang is wasting so much effort on someone who matters so little in their scheme of things.

[PRBori]

I understand all of your points... not sure if some of you got it,but I think some of you did... I'm talking about my brother here and no he is not dillusional or with mental issues. I guess back in the days when he was younger he used to live in the street and knows everything there is about gangs, of course that is many many years ago somewhere else. Anyway, he moved out to my cousins house somewhere else not sure where for I don't keep in touch with any other family member... and since my cousin is an investigator and my brother had some police friends somehow, and don't ask me how he found out that this is related to an ex-girlfriend who had some family members in a gang and somehow they are after him now to revenge on something... I guess its complicated but I just had it. He doesn't have any mental issues at all... he just knows and this is recent for he had lived in that state for almost 9 years now and this never happen to him before... it started about 3 weeks ago.

Anyway, I decided that I have too many issues to deal with myself to keep adding... so I just told him to take care for there is not a whole lot I can do for him right now... and well my mom is just as worry as I am, except that she and him are bonded although she says she will coupe if anything happen to him, I know for a fact that she will not be able to handle it, she will go down with him.. maybe not right away, but I just know.

So right now my mom and I have decided to let it be... whatever is going to happen it will happen and there is really not a whole lot we can do at this point. I know this sounds harsh but I got my own kids to worry about and my own life and I just can't keep adding up. This has bug me for a while now and I guess is time to let go.

[mind_wander]

I've read the comments you mentioned about gangs. Here is a sample list of different gangs out there: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . I do know during high school I'd wore the color red and blue either together or seperately. I never joined a gang or associated with their activities because its wrong; at that time I just liked the color. Most people does stay away from me because the color red represents bloods and blue represents crips. I'd heard these two gangs on the FBI list is working together now side by side. My question is for your friend, if he is wearing any colors similar to this then this could be the case. Also, wearing a gang color or impressionating a gang member increases the chances for you to be killed. They will test you to joined into a gang by force.

[PRBori]

Well, a rather late update, but after all that mess and after continous calls from him and my mom asking to help I help him get a bus ticket. Along the way he was still paranoid and was taken into a mental hospital where he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia.

That was the first time I've ever heard of such... either way, a family member got him out and shipped him back home. He is now under my moms custody and has become a father since his diagnosis which drove me nuts for a while....

I only wonder what trigger it, because two months prior I met with him and he was fine, then one day all of a sudden he flipped. My mom indicated that he had mention that his ex-girlfriend beat him up with a bat, but I don't know who to believe any more... I read somewhere that this mental diceases can be activated by trauma to the head... either way i do not wish anyone to go thru this.

I feel for my mom and I do what I can, but somewhere along the lines a few incidents have happen that make me question this decease more and more...

That said, jakalwarrior you were correct... I guess I was ignorant of such mental issues.

[Bioplasmoid]

Nice to hear you are doing ok PRBori. :) I wish you a less stressbound family situation in the future.

[PRBori]

Nice to hear you are doing ok PRBori. :) I wish you a less stressbound family situation in the future.

Thank you... family matters never seem to be straight on my end, but I always survive... there is nothing else I can do except keep on moving and helping as I go when I'm able to do so...

hopefully the future will be brighter... :)