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Uberfuhrer
04-16-2008, 07:20 AM
I asked about Beethoven a while ago, but didn't really get a response... So do you think he might be INTJ?
Definitely, I always thought he was Ni dominant. (I also always thought that Mozart was an ENxP.)
I disagree with Keirsey typing composers as ISFPs. As much as I like his work on temperament, I always hated how he pigeonholed artists into the SP temperament. People tend to confuse artist with artisan. Artists generally work with abstractions that are distinctly of the Ni variety, and music is a highly abstract endeavor.
I tend to look at everything from fashion design, interior design, and the like to be much more strategic in nature than tactical. When you think about it, those endeavors are not unlike architecture or invention. Of course, my unique way of looking at them tends to more reflect the way I cognitively perceive the world. I look at creating art as a more strategic intellect than tactical.
Deadgod
05-21-2008, 01:49 PM
Definitely, I always thought he was Ni dominant. (I also always thought that Mozart was an ENxP.)
I disagree with Keirsey typing composers as ISFPs. As much as I like his work on temperament, I always hated how he pigeonholed artists into the SP temperament. People tend to confuse artist with artisan. Artists generally work with abstractions that are distinctly of the Ni variety, and music is a highly abstract endeavor.
I tend to look at everything from fashion design, interior design, and the like to be much more strategic in nature than tactical. When you think about it, those endeavors are not unlike architecture or invention. Of course, my unique way of looking at them tends to more reflect the way I cognitively perceive the world. I look at creating art as a more strategic intellect than tactical.
Well said. I would say composers from the Romantic period had much more N than the Baroque or Classical periods.
I think this is the argument that would destroy the concept behind Keirsey's temperaments.
But what about the development of the weaker functions? What is the rate of development in each of the temperaments? If they vary and the SP is the fastest in developing these weaker functions, then is it possible that there is a confusion with Beethoven's type? I read previously that SPs were amongst the most difficult to type. And if they do develop their weaker functions quickly and through historical text we conclude that Beethoven is an INTJ when in reality he is an ISFP; that just simply means that history never tells the complete stories, is biased, and is never a source for determining judgements about people. For the record, it is easy to confuse INTJs with ISFPs. Hint: Just look at the functions.
Disclaimer: Too many questions and ideas are running through my head, so excuse my incoherence.
Uberfuhrer
05-21-2008, 02:26 PM
The INTJ conceives an internal vision beforehand. The ISFP shapes their physical environment and then forms a picture. So the INTJ is more the artist, who works with imagination, while the ISFP is the artisan, who works with the physical environment, shaping things in the process. (That's the key difference between artist and artisan.)
Keep in mind, however, that I think Keirsey's descriptions of the types are among the best around -- he does indeed describe the types in terms of their functions and functional order, but I don't think his typing of celebrities is very well-researched, and I also don't like the nicknames he gives each type.
And the broad definition of art is the act of being spontaneous. Art wasn't traditionally thought of as having a visionary sense but rather a sense of aesthetics and being spontaneous.
The 4 Temperaments aren't based on any kind of career, they're just nicknames that reflect how people approach life.
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