Organic delights

[Elfrun]

For those who prefer to pet the animals rather then eat them, feel free to venture in this is an animal friendly zone.

For any vegetarians/vegans out there…

Why are you vegetarian/vegan?
Do you think it’s a healthy option?
Would you recommend others avoid meat?
Do you have any wicked recipes, if so please share.

I’m a gonna steel you’re recipe schwartzie ;D

good summer grilling: tempeh slab grilled to nice smokiness, with plenty of warm balsamic reduction to drizzle over top when plated.
serve with crispy fresh summer salad, and a side of, say, strongly seasoned (cinnamon, curry, cardamom, onion, etc) deep orange yam.
Everybody organic.
Heaven.

[azelismia]

For those who prefer to pet the animals rather then eat them, feel free to venture in this is an animal friendly zone.

For any vegetarians/vegans out there…

Why are you vegetarian/vegan?
Do you think it’s a healthy option?
Would you recommend others avoid meat?
Do you have any wicked recipes, if so please share.

I’m a gonna steel you’re recipe schwartzie ;D

Trinity, I am not a vegetarian but I used to be. I am mildly allergic to soy so i cannot get the amounts of protein I need from it and I can only eat to many eggs before I never want to look at another..

so I eat poultry because I think they are less sentient than other critters. Although I am not really happy about it, I consider it a necessity of being healthy. I don't think meat is the best option for us for a myriad of reasons. I personally hope they figure out how to grow meat like they're working on doing. Ethically I have no problems with cells replicated in a lab. there is no consciousness attached to it. no vast amounts of land dedicated to it, no methane gas produced by it, no cruelty... I think vegetarian is a very good option if you're not allergic to other forms of protein but one does need a certain amount every day.

[Hdier]

I'm not a vegetarian yet, but I'm going to become one within the next month...if that doesn't count, ignore the rest of the post. Otherwise:

Why are you a vegetarian

I don't like the idea of 'you were born in this pasture, so you are slated for death simply because of that'. It feels wrong somehow.

Doy you think it's a healthy option?

As long as you replace what you lose from meat with other things, I'd say it's no more or less healthy; well, maybe a little more because it would (I believe) probably have less fat.

Would you recommend others avoid meat

I wish we'd boycott it until we get a more natural system of collecting the meat, but since I know that that's no going to happen in the near future, I tend to keep my mouth shut.

Do you have any wicked recipes, if so please share

Ummm...I like Quesadillas. Kraft Mexican blend cheese (With no growth hormones! Yay!), green onion, and other spices as you want. It tastes pretty good if you microwave it right before you eat rather than pre-cooking them...

I wouldn't say it's 'wicked', though...

[azelismia]

I'm not a vegetarian yet, but I'm going to become one within the next month...if that doesn't count, ignore the rest of the post. Otherwise:

Why are you a vegetarian

I don't like the idea of 'you were born in this pasture, so you are slated for death simply because of that'. It feels wrong somehow.

Doy you think it's a healthy option?

As long as you replace what you lose from meat with other things, I'd say it's no more or less healthy; well, maybe a little more because it would (I believe) probably have less fat.

Would you recommend others avoid meat

I wish we'd boycott it until we get a more natural system of collecting the meat, but since I know that that's no going to happen in the near future, I tend to keep my mouth shut.

Do you have any wicked recipes, if so please share

Ummm...I like Quesadillas. Kraft Mexican blend cheese (With no growth hormones! Yay!), green onion, and other spices as you want. It tastes pretty good if you microwave it right before you eat rather than pre-cooking them...

I wouldn't say it's 'wicked', though...


actually, meat is unhealthy for other reasons than fat. nitrates are used in a lot of processed meat and red meat has been linked to higher cancer rates.

[mental drift]

I didn't want to go off topic on the 'homage to meat" thread (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). I have heard that we are the only animals that have herbivore teeth, but eats meat. It is obviously true that vegetables and fruits are better for us, but are we not supposed to eat meat period.

It's like the old saying, what's good for you taste bad, and what is bad for you taste good. I would much rather have some fried chicken, or BBQ ribs than a bowl of spinach, or a plate of beans.

My wife has also said she has heard about beef rotting in your stomach or something, and many believe pork is unhealthy.

I do eat meat, but I also question if it is a bad option. Does anyone else have anything for or against eating meat?

[sriv]

Meat has lots of protein that builds muscles and breaks apart into amino acids.
The cholesterol and fats in meat are the part of it that hurts in large amounts, but that mostly applies to fried meat.

[Mozzes]

We don't exactly have "herbivore teeth". Honestly, our molars and premolars are pathetic compared to true herbivores, like ruminants. We also have prominent cuspids ("fangs") which are typically only present in carnivores and omnivores.

Gorillas also have prominent cuspids while being primarily vegetarian, but there are large anatomical and physiological differences between gorillas and humans. The first is that gorillas are able to synthesize more nutrients in the digestive tract, particularly amino acids, than humans. They are also capable of digesting cellulose, which humans can not.

[Jakalwarrior]

We aren't the only primates that eat meat, and I dont have herbivore teeth :P got these nice pointy canines and the next two behind each are also long and pointy. We probably arent optimized to eat meat as much as we do but we are designed to be able to survive on just about anything. It might account for all of our heart problems though. Personally I would like to keep my meat at a moderate level but its just so darn hard when I have a picky wife who gets tired of "rabbit food". Cooking two different meals sucks.

[Solaris]

We are not herbivores. Humans are omnivores. We have our pointy canine teeth for eating meat. Humans have been eating meat for a very long time.

Contrary to what my meat thread may imply, I also dearly love vegetables and fruit. I was even a vegetarian for while, and voluntarily abstained from red meat for 14 years.Historically, I have loved fruits and vegetables more than meat. I was the child who would eat all of her vegetables, but not touch the meat (especially if it was at all fatty).

I went back to eating all meat because my body needed the nutrition. I exercise a lot, and fight with anemia, so getting quality iron and protein from meat is important for me.

So yes, I think meat is a good option. I also firmly believe in a balanced diet.

[Aronnax]

I didn't want to go off topic on the 'homage to meat" thread (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). I have heard that we are the only animals that have herbivore teeth, but eats meat.

This isn't true, we have omnivorious teeth like chimps, raccoons and opossums. We not only have canines, our canines are also the longest and most stable teeth in our head. Humans also lack the thicker layers of enamel on our molars that's common among herbivores to compensate for wear. In other words our mouth is a general purpose tool for eating meat and plants.


It is obviously true that vegetables and fruits are better for us, but are we not supposed to eat meat period.

Fruits and vegetables should be the core of our diet but it's difficult to meet all our dietary need with just fruits and vegetables. Humans were around for over 100,000 years before we were cultivating legumes in the volume required to meet our protein requirements. There's also problems meeting our bodies need for vitamin B12, iron, omega 3 and omega 6 in a vegan diet.

You can meet all these vitamin requirements if you pay attention to your diet and/or take supplements but it's not our default dietary path. A healthy diet can contain meat, but it has to be a balanced diet. There's a huge difference between eating meat a few times a week and eating a big piece of meat at every meal.

[bucolic_]

We have a mix of carnivore and herbivore characteristics, and so are most likely 'meant' to be omnivores.

Also, in regards to the cholesterol statement, not all meat has high levels of cholesterol in it, and even then, the link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol levels is tenuous at best.

[Erika Redmark]

I've also heard that it's harder to get all the essential amino acids if you don't eat meat.

[Elfrun]

Hmm, it's been pointed out to me that the word 'organic' is misleading because you can get organic meat as well but I can't seem to change the title! :confused: so...


Trinity, I am not a vegetarian but I used to be. I am mildly allergic to soy so i cannot get the amounts of protein I need from it and I can only eat to many eggs before I never want to look at another..

so I eat poultry because I think they are less sentient than other critters. Although I am not really happy about it, I consider it a necessity of being healthy. I don't think meat is the best option for us for a myriad of reasons. I personally hope they figure out how to grow meat like they're working on doing. Ethically I have no problems with cells replicated in a lab. there is no consciousness attached to it. no vast amounts of land dedicated to it, no methane gas produced by it, no cruelty... I think vegetarian is a very good option if you're not allergic to other forms of protein but one does need a certain amount every day.

Actually… I agree, we need to do what is best for our bodies. It may sound like a contradiction to say this but I believe animals were created for our sustenance. Avoiding meat products completely can lead to some dangerous health issues if you don’t get enough nutrients.

Having an allergic reaction to soy is a good thing in my opinion, soy is bad for you, the product has been brilliantly marketed and packaged as a health food product and is now a multi million dollar industry despite the fact that numerous studies have shown unfermented soy is anything but healthy. It scares me that there are soy products available for babies.

Anyone who does consume a lot of soy may find this letter (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) interesting, it is a letter of protest from two researchers for the Food and Drug Administration’s, it points to studies that show a link between soy and health problems in certain animals. They are trying to stop the FDA approval of soy because it could be misinterpreted as a broader general endorsement beyond benefits for the heart.

I'm not a vegetarian yet, but I'm going to become one within the next month...if that doesn't count, ignore the rest of the post. Otherwise:

Why are you a vegetarian

I don't like the idea of 'you were born in this pasture, so you are slated for death simply because of that'. It feels wrong somehow.

Doy you think it's a healthy option?

As long as you replace what you lose from meat with other things, I'd say it's no more or less healthy; well, maybe a little more because it would (I believe) probably have less fat.

Would you recommend others avoid meat

I wish we'd boycott it until we get a more natural system of collecting the meat, but since I know that that's no going to happen in the near future, I tend to keep my mouth shut.

Do you have any wicked recipes, if so please share

Ummm...I like Quesadillas. Kraft Mexican blend cheese (With no growth hormones! Yay!), green onion, and other spices as you want. It tastes pretty good if you microwave it right before you eat rather than pre-cooking them...

I wouldn't say it's 'wicked', though...

Hdier, you're right about needing to replace the nutrients you would normally acquire from meat if you stop eating it.

If you’re concern is how the meat is collected have you looked into finding ‘humanely’ processed meat? As I’ve been a vegetarian for so long I don’t know what options are available but I would expect there would be a market for that kind of product. :huh:

For me there is no other option as I detest the taste of meat but if you enjoy eating meat maybe cut out particular types, fish for instance can have great health benefits without the cruelty issues.

My recommendation is to be very conscientious about keeping a balanced diet. I was 14 when I became a vegetarian and at 18 I was anaemic, I thought I was doing ok with my diet, obviously not. Good luck.

[azelismia]

Hmm, it's been pointed out to me that the word 'organic' is misleading because you can get organic meat as well but I can't seem to change the title! :confused: so...




Actually… I agree, we need to do what is best for our bodies. It may sound like a contradiction to say this but I believe animals were created for our sustenance. Avoiding meat products completely can lead to some dangerous health issues if you don’t get enough nutrients.

Having an allergic reaction to soy is a good thing in my opinion, soy is bad for you, the product has been brilliantly marketed and packaged as a health food product and is now a multi million dollar industry despite the fact that numerous studies have shown unfermented soy is anything but healthy. It scares me that there are soy products available for babies.

Anyone who does consume a lot of soy may find this letter (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) interesting, it is a letter of protest from two researchers for the Food and Drug Administration’s, it points to studies that show a link between soy and health problems in certain animals. They are trying to stop the FDA approval of soy because it could be misinterpreted as a broader general endorsement beyond benefits for the heart.



Hdier, you're right about needing to replace the nutrients you would normally acquire from meat if you stop eating it.

If you’re concern is how the meat is collected have you looked into finding ‘humanely’ processed meat? As I’ve been a vegetarian for so long I don’t know what options are available but I would expect there would be a market for that kind of product. :huh:

For me there is no other option as I detest the taste of meat but if you enjoy eating meat maybe cut out particular types, fish for instance can have great health benefits without the cruelty issues.

My recommendation is to be very conscientious about keeping a balanced diet. I was 14 when I became a vegetarian and at 18 I was anaemic, I thought I was doing ok with my diet, obviously not. Good luck.

1. I'll agree that other animals were created for our consumption if you agree that we were created for the consumption of other animals, such as lions and tigers and bears.
2. they don't say in that study what the amounts of genistren they were using in their tests and how many servings of soy you'd have to eat each day to get the same amount in your diet. I doubt it's any more dangerous to eat than any other food in normal quantities. Red meat causes cancer. it has a benefit of iron and protein but it is also generally high fat. Soy possibly causes increased estrogen and could possibly increase thyroid difficulties. but has the benefit of being low fat, and heart healthy adn a number of other benefits. I think it's reactionary to get upset about it.

[NicoMT]

I've also heard that it's harder to get all the essential amino acids if you don't eat meat.

Yes. Getting enough iron is a huge concern as well.

[TheLastMohican]

You have to consider the different kinds of meats separately. Pork really has no redeeming qualities. Beef is an excellent source of iron, but contains harmful fats, and eating it often has been shown to raise your risk of colon cancer. Bison is much better, having minimal marbling and denser, more nutritious, protein-packed meat.
Turkey and chicken are actually beneficial to the colon, and enrich the diet with no negative effects. Smaller fish contain very important fatty acids, and are fine to eat in moderation despite the mercury concerns. (Just stay away from swordfish, shark, and other large and/or farmed fish. Wild salmon and tuna are excellent.)

[TheLastMohican]

1. I'll agree that other animals were created for our consumption if you agree that we were created for the consumption of other animals, such as lions and tigers and bears.

:laugh:

Red meat causes cancer. it has a benefit of iron and protein but it is also generally high fat.
Bison! Forget the beef; eat bison.
Our modern beef supply has been bred to contain large amounts of fat (marbling). Cows these days also have muscle that is naturally less dense and less nutritious. Bison, however, have remained virtually unchanged, and are still the lean, hardy animals that they have always been. The negative effects of beef are minimally present in bison, and it has more iron and protein per pound.

[mental drift]

Everyone seemed to automatically reply that we are omnivores, but is that based on what has always been stated or on the facts. I looked at a couple of sites on humans having herbivore teeth, site one (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), and site two (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

There are more, but it's late and this is all I cared to find right now. So are we herbivores or omnivores.

You have to consider the different kinds of meats separately. Pork really has no redeeming qualities. Beef is an excellent source of iron, but contains harmful fats, and eating it often has been shown to raise your risk of colon cancer. Bison is much better, having minimal marbling and denser, more nutritious, protein-packed meat.
Turkey and chicken are actually beneficial to the colon, and enrich the diet with no negative effects. Smaller fish contain very important fatty acids, and are fine to eat in moderation despite the mercury concerns. (Just stay away from swordfish, shark, and other large and/or farmed fish. Wild salmon and tuna are excellent.)

I recently had heard this about the large fish, I also heard Tuna in the can is bad for you. Of course give it a week and both will be good for you again.

[bucolic_]

Everyone seemed to automatically reply that we are omnivores, but is that based on what has always been stated or on the facts. I looked at a couple of sites on humans having herbivore teeth, site one (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), and site two (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

There are more, but it's late and this is all I cared to find right now. So are we herbivores or omnivores.


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There's also...
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I also found this, I've just skimmed it so far, and am not sure what it concludes, but it looks interesting, simply because it's apparently so exhaustive.
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[Elfrun]

Holy crap... this became a meat thread :stunned:

[bucolic_]

Holy crap... this became a meat thread :stunned:

Hmm, sorry about that, I'm not quite sure why the mods merged these two threads, seeing as how they've gone in two completely different directions.

[Erika Redmark]

Holy crap... this became a meat thread :stunned:

You can't escape the meat…it's everywhere! :laugh:

[Elfrun]

Meh, I got nothing against meat, in fact I like meat so much I don't eat it! My teeth are perfectly happy with that by the way ;)

*gathers the lambs, chickens, pygmy goat and jersey cow from their pens, you’re not safe here anymore fellas, particularly you Buttercup, apparently you have something called a ‘ribeye’ that is irresistible to some people, I’ll take you to the NF club, they’ve outlawed slaughters there*

[azelismia]

Everyone seemed to automatically reply that we are omnivores, but is that based on what has always been stated or on the facts. I looked at a couple of sites on humans having herbivore teeth, site one (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), and site two (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

There are more, but it's late and this is all I cared to find right now. So are we herbivores or omnivores.



I recently had heard this about the large fish, I also heard Tuna in the can is bad for you. Of course give it a week and both will be good for you again.


a number of various fish are harmful because of heavy metal content. it's a problem with the environment more than the fish itself. wild fish are better than farmed fish.

[rwyatt365]

There are only a few veggies that I can say that I "like", and virtually all of those I eat raw;

- Carrots
- Spinach
- Broccoli
- Sweet Peas
- most leafy greens

Those that I prefer cooked;

- beans (pinto, navy, snap)
- onion (a recently acquired taste)
- sweet peppers

most fruits, too.

But there's no way that I'll give up meat. I have no qualms about wringing a chicken's neck (done that), gutting a fish (that too), or driving a spike through a steer's spine (haven't had that pleasure yet, but I would if I had to). Personally, I find no moral dilemma in that choice.

[Aronnax]

I wish the mods would split these 2 thread back up, they're not related. One is a "share your delicious vegetarian recipe thread" (contribution type) and the other is a "comparative biology thread" (discussion type). I feel like we're cluttering up a nice contribution thread.

Everyone seemed to automatically reply that we are omnivores, but is that based on what has always been stated or on the facts. I looked at a couple of sites on humans having herbivore teeth, site one (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), and site two (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

There are more, but it's late and this is all I cared to find right now. So are we herbivores or omnivores.

The arguments that paint humans as herbivores tend to only compare our biology to herbivores and carnivores and either skim over or ignore omnivore characteristics outright. They also lump our facial specialization for communication (muscle development in the face, mouth size and shape) as "herbivore characteristics"

The arguments involving natural tools to tear flesh and digest uncooked meat are a bit of a strawman. Our progenitor species were using fire and cutting tools before homo erectus was even around, the tools that made claws and massive fangs biologically redundant were around before we were. However, we still have some teeth specialized for eating meat. Herbivores don't have canines with a shearing gap and pointed premolars (herbivores tend to have cupped premolars).

This particular appeal to emotion (that is patently false) was in one of the articles:

"While carnivores take pleasure in killing animals and eating their raw flesh, any human who killed an animal with his or her bare hands and dug into the raw corpse would be considered deranged. Carnivorous animals are aroused by the scent of blood and the thrill of the chase. Most humans, on the other hand, are revolted by the sight of raw flesh and cannot tolerate hearing the screams of animals being ripped apart and killed. The bloody reality of eating animals is innately repulsive to us, more proof that we were not designed to eat meat."

Anyone who hunts or even goes fishing knows the thrill of stalking and chasing prey. Furthermore we find the smell of roasting flesh wonderful, which is in line with how we've adapted to associate cooked meat = food good to eat. I've never had a problem with butchering an animal that I've killed and neither does anyone else I know who hunts. I find unnecessary suffering distasteful so I always make my kills quick but I feel that has more to do with our intellect and empathy (a social characteristic) rather than a vegetarian characteristic.

You can even see hunter behavior untrained in children, let a young boy loose with a bag in a wild setting and he''ll bring back just about anything he can catch and fit into the bag. We're also natural pack hunters (big surprise, right?). I can think of a recent example where a group of 10-13 year old boy scouts chased a black bear from their camp. But instead of returning after the chase (which would be in line with herbivore behavior) they tree'd the bear and stoned it to death. It's a pretty sad story (black bears are relatively harmless) but it does demonstrate aggressive, predatory pack behavior.



I recently had heard this about the large fish, I also heard Tuna in the can is bad for you. Of course give it a week and both will be good for you again.

Tuna in the can is bad for you because of mercury content. Tuna sit high on the food chain so they tend to act as a collector for heavy metals.

[thod]

Vegetable Moussaka.

Cut an aubergine (eggplant) into disks or strips and slice potato's into thin disc's a few millimeters wide. Fry these in oil to soften them and slightly brown. Put them aside on a plate when done.

Easy enough so far?

Now fry up chopped onion together with garlic until soft and slightly brown. Add chopped up tomato and courgette into the mixture and continue frying to get it all hot and mushy.

While doing this make a cheese source. So put some butter or oil into a source pan and melt it. Add flour and stir until its a think paste. Start adding milk stirring to avoid lumps. Then add grated cheese, it will dissolve in the source as you stir.

Place a layer of the tomato goo on a casserole dish or other oven container. Pour a layer of cheese source over it, on top of that a layer of potato and on that a layer of aubergine. Repeat this over again so you got 2 layers.

Put it in the oven at 200F and bake for 2 hours.

Easy.

[mental drift]

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From the first site.
Our closest relatives among the apes are the chimpanzees (i.e., anatomically, behaviorally, genetically, and evolutionarily), who frequently kill and eat other mammals (including other primates).
Wiki supports that chimps are omnivorousAlthough omnivorous, its diet is mainly vegetarian, consisting of fruits, leaves, nuts, seeds, tubers, and other miscellaneous vegetation, supplemented by insects and small prey.
So the argument supports that we are omnivorous scored later.
Dogs are typical carnivores, but their intestinal characteristics have more in common with omnivores. Wolves eat quite a lot of plant material.
So is this person trying to say dogs and wolves are omnivores? This argument is irrelevant and therefore no score.
Nearly all plant eaters have fermenting vats (enlarged chambers where foods sits and microbes attack it). Ruminants like cattle and deer have forward sacs derived from remodeled esophagus and stomach. Horses, rhinos, and colobine monkeys have posterior, hindgut sacs. Humans have no such specializations.
When he says nearly all, which ones are excluded? Anyway this is in the second study and therefore scored later
The researcher states....the best evidence comes from our teeth, so here comes his best argument.
Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. So his point is the canines are irrelevant in the omnivore debate, so the argument that we have canines is inefficient. Okay, that helps the vegetarians case, 1 point vegans. Continue with supposed best argument.
In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.
So his best argument is partial pieces look like a pigs, but when whole it looks more like a herbivores teeth. 2 points vegans

I'm going on to the second site read on if you'd like.
There are some intelligent arguments for vegetarianism, but claiming that man is "naturally" herbivorous isn't one of them
So it sounds like this guy is going to have an end all argument, let's hear it.
Contrary to what your magazine article says, the human small intestine, at 23 feet, is a little under eight times body length...
But the herbivore argument stated 10 to 11 times body length.
Correct answer is approx eight times body length, 10 to 11 times if the large intestine is included. Score one for the omnivore argument.
Herbivores also have a variety of specialized digestive organs capable of breaking down cellulose, the main component of plant tissue. Humans find cellulose totally indigestible...
It appears from another site, Wiki Anatomy and Physiology of Animals that herbivores can digest cellulose. Without that ability I would say score two for omnivorous.
Then he spoke of protein from meats, and the strength of teeth, but no significant argument, since the design of the teeth was already addressed, and the arguments for protein can be offset by the arguments for diseases from meats.
He was then posed with the question if we most resemble "chimpanzees, gibbons, gorillas, and orangutans" and they are vegetarians in the wild, shouldn't that be an example to us?
But the answer to the question in my own words, yes on an orangutan website, the orangutan was considered vegetarian, but the argument from site one was that we most resemble chimps, which are considered omnivores. So score three for omnivores.

I'm going to bypass the third site, too long.

But from the first two sites the argument seems compelling for omnivore, however, judging by the similarities between humans and chimps, and judging by the shape of our teeth, we are suppose to consume mostly fruits and vegetables in our diets. The addition of meat it appears is primarily for opportunistic purposes, being able to have food where fruits and vegetables were not plentiful. So thanks to you bucolic I can rest assured I am not violating the rules of my creation when I indulge in that ribeye. And Trinity I hope I can make it to buttercup before you make it to the NF club. *grabs knife from drawer*

P.S. Will anyone really even read all of this crap. If it was me I wouldn't. But if your bored just know that I was too, that was the reason I actually sat down and entertained my brain for the last couple of hours with this stupid research. Enjoy.

[azelismia]

capresse salad
a couple large heirloom tomatoes or many small ones (never refrigerate and absolutely do not waste your time with regular store bought tomatoes vine on tomatoes are alright though)
a good portion of your favorite fresh mozzarella cheese (do not get the dry variety or shredded or anything that Kraft produces, To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.))
Extra virgin olive oil
high quality balsamic vinegar. preferably aged 12 years ( don't skimp here, low grade balsamic is disgusting To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.))
Sea salt course grained
Fresh ground pepper and basil

Cut tomatoes and mozzarella and arrange on a plate, tear up basil over them. Drizzle with balsamic and olive oil and then do the same with a small amount of sea salt and pepper.
Serve. Summer on a plate. I eat this almost every day for lunch during august and sept.

[schwartzie]

... I eat poultry because I think they are less sentient than other critters. Although I am not really happy about it

*wanting to discourage the "less sentient" notion, but not wanting to be blunt, she tells a story:*

When I was a little girl, I had a pet chicken. As a baby, he was distinguished from the hundred or so other yellow fluffballs by a small speck of red in his down, and so, over time, as I duly performed the chicken-fattening chores for which I was responsible, I came to realize that this one red-spotted chick frequently and boldly hopped onto my foot to peck my (apparently very interesting) shoe laces. Eventually, he became a pet, and was spared the gruesome fate of the other "capons."

Together we would hunt crickets. My job was to lift the large flat limestones bordering the flower beds and expose the crickets, his to dispatch them. With great gusto. He was not vegan.

He enjoyed tormenting our lazy brown dog; he'd wait 'til the dog was peacefully sleeping under his favorite shade tree, and then stealthily approach and peck his prominent black dog nose. Then flap up to the top of a fence as the dog burst awake. Wait for dog to return to rest. Repeat.

When autumn came, and I had to return to school, he seemed to miss me; I would find him waiting for me at the gate when I arrived home each day. He was especially fond of a wee scratch beneath, and a little below, his wings.

Azelismia, your capresse recipe makes me hungry!