What is your opinion on nerds? [Archive]

nacht

02-08-2011, 02:29 PM

Yes, I love the presumptiveness with "What, you don't know there's a new WoW?!" I actually did have to google "WoW." That truly grates me, assuming that your hobby is so superior that everyone must share in it to the extent that they can understand your jargon.

In that specific case it isn't a question of whether you "share in it to the extent that [you] can understand [their] jargon," it's a matter of whether you've used the internet in the last 6 years enough to recognize one of the most popular games in existence. It has over 12 million subscribers and takes up ~62% of the MMORPG market.

Meanwhile, battle.net (Blizzard's website for its users) is Alexa 506 worldwide (better than Meetup) and Alexa 402 in the US (better than Ing Direct and eTrade, both of which are very well known). The other games by Blizzard (e.g., Starcraft with it's 11 million sales, Diablo, and Warcraft) are so well known that it is very difficult to imagine how you couldn't have heard of them.

In short: if you have even paid the most remote of attention, you would have heard of WoW and most likely know what it stands for. This is not a slight on whatever your cultural experience happens to be, but as Latro says, this would very much be a case of "my hobby is so well-known even outside those who participate that you definitely must know about it."

eagleseven

02-08-2011, 02:34 PM

Blse

02-08-2011, 04:02 PM

In that specific case it isn't a question of whether you "share in it to the extent that [you] can understand [their] jargon," it's a matter of whether you've used the internet in the last 6 years enough to recognize one of the most popular games in existence. It has over 12 million subscribers and takes up ~62% of the MMORPG market.

Why would I bother? It's a hobby and it's rather arrogant to assume that your hobby is such a big deal that everyone must surely be informed of it. "MMORPG" is another exmaple. What on earth is that? Sounds like a missle.

Meanwhile, battle.net (Blizzard's website for its users) is Alexa 506 worldwide (better than Meetup) and Alexa 402 in the US (better than Ing Direct and eTrade, both of which are very well known). The other games by Blizzard (e.g., Starcraft with it's 11 million sales, Diablo, and Warcraft) are so well known that it is very difficult to imagine how you couldn't have heard of them.

Nope, never heard of Alexa ### or Blizzard.

In short: if you have even paid the most remote of attention, you would have heard of WoW and most likely know what it stands for. This is not a slight on whatever your cultural experience happens to be, but as Latro says, this would very much be a case of "my hobby is so well-known even outside those who participate that you definitely must know about it."

You mean along with Alexa and Blizzard... don't think so.

Amphorian

02-08-2011, 04:03 PM

You've heard of Nintendo and Mario right? Donkey Kong? Zelda?... What about PacMan?!!!

Blse

02-08-2011, 04:04 PM

Yay stereotypes? Sure, if that's how you identify a nerd, of course you don't like them; you've defined the term as something you wouldn't like. On the other hand, people that self-identify as nerds don't tend to fit those stereotypes in my experience.

@Blse: I wouldn't say that's so much "my hobby is so awesome that you definitely must know about it" but "my hobby is so well-known even outside those who participate that you definitely must know about it". And a lot of non-participants DO know about it.

Sure, some do. Some don't. It's rather strange and presumptous to expect people to know about a video game. That was my point.

It gets especially nerdy when navigating the lingo sorrounding said hobby becomes like navigating government paperwork with "MMORPG" and what not. Man at least the government is something kind enough to make those things pronouncable.

Not knowing WoW is like not knowing the NFL.

Bloody hell, Starcraft is nearly the national sport of South Korea. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) The grand prize for the 2011 International Starcraft tournament is $500,000 plus a crap-ton of advertising endorsement offers.

Starcraft? You mean part of the video game, right?

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You've heard of Nintendo and Mario right? Donkey Kong? Zelda?...

Not Zelda, but I did hear of the first two.

Amphorian

02-08-2011, 04:09 PM

Mogura

02-08-2011, 04:19 PM

it is okay, i think, to be be well-read in some matters. however, the dislike begins when one starts to compromise on hygiene and manners.
Seconded.

For friends, I've always gravitated towards nerds (the hygienic, well-mannered type). I'm a bit of a nerd myself, but I don't look or act it. In groups of friends, I always ended up with the title, "King of the Nerds" because I got on with nerds quite well, but I was more visible and socially adept. I had nerdettes chasing me while I was chasing model types. Lol.

BTW, Joust is the Best. Videogame. Ever.

TheLastMohican

02-08-2011, 04:22 PM

eagleseven

02-08-2011, 04:35 PM

Sure, some do. Some don't. It's rather strange and presumptous to expect people to know about a video game. That was my point.

It gets especially nerdy when navigating the lingo sorrounding said hobby becomes like navigating government paperwork with "MMORPG" and what not. Man at least the government is something kind enough to make those things pronouncable.
Do you know the NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL?

Then you should definitely know WoW. Hell, WoW was featured in nearly a dozen Family Guy, Simpsons, and South Park episodes.

Starcraft? You mean part of the video game, right?
Starcraft, as in the best-selling game made by Blizzard over ten years ago, played both for hobby and professionally by millions across the globe.

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I'm surprised you never saw the wall-sized ads in malls and Wal-marts across the country last year, nor the hundreds of television (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and internet ads.

Oblivious

02-08-2011, 04:35 PM

Nerdy girls are hot. I relate to a lot of the nerdy guys as well. Even though I don't look like them anymore, we're still into the same stuff.

I second the hygiene thing though. I used to be like that, but I went from putting in zero effort on my looks to trying to maximize what I had. It made a huge difference. Anyone can look better with effort. If I could do it, anyone can do it.

Blse

02-08-2011, 04:39 PM

Do you know the NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL?

Then you should definitely know WoW. Hell, WoW was featured in nearly a dozen Family Guy, Simpsons, and South Park episodes.

I know those shows, and I know video games have been featured in them. I never bothered to pay attention to the name, esp. since names in shows are often made up.

Starcraft, as in the best-selling game made by Blizzard over ten years ago, played both for hobby and professionally by millions across the globe.

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I'm surprised you never saw the wall-sized ads in malls and Wal-marts across the country last year, nor the hundreds of television (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and internet ads.

I generally don't pay attention to all the ads that surround me, I don't think most people do. Although now I do know what Blizzard is (a software company I infer from context) and I know that Starcraft is a video game.

eagleseven

02-08-2011, 04:44 PM

I know those shows, and I know video games have been featured in them. I never bothered to pay attention to the name, esp. since names in shows are often made up.
Then you can understand our surprise...I work with fifty-year-olds who know about WoW. It's like saying you've never heard of the Simpsons.

I generally don't pay attention to all the ads that surround me, I don't think most people do. Although now I do know what Blizzard is (a software company I infer from context) and I know that Starcraft is a video game.
That's a start.

Fact is, audience-wise, gaming is as big as Hollywood, and increasingly integral to our popular culture. It's no longer a niche hobby for nerds.

zibber

02-08-2011, 04:44 PM

This thread is mostly directed at people who don't identify as nerds, geeks or some other variety of egghead.

Do you have some kind of checklist I could use to make sure I'm in the right place here?

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I generally don't pay attention to all the ads that surround me, I don't think most people do.

Ah, yes. The extinction of consumerism is ample proof of this.

Wait..

Huruma

02-08-2011, 04:48 PM

The only people I cannot tolerate are those who are cruel, mean, rude or arrogant. As long as someone is kind and compassionate, I don't care whether or not they're charismatic, intelligent, sexy, 'normal' etc.

True Rune

02-08-2011, 05:17 PM

It's more looks and lack of hygiene and social graces that makes the "nerd" here.. not the knowledge. What's a little more unnerving is getting emotional fulfillment from being really really normal.

SelfMadeBum

02-08-2011, 05:38 PM

I wish I knew the characteristics of the type of person under discussion.

cannotseethe

02-08-2011, 05:42 PM

This discussion was cashed in the 1980s.

Robot

02-08-2011, 05:48 PM

I'm considered a nerd, generally. I guess I'm enough of a nerd to know that there are several different subclassifications of "nerd," and that I don't really like most of them. I can get along with nerds pretty well, since I have a high tolerance for social awkwardness, having dealt with it myself, but it's a taxing experience.

The thing that really irks me about nerds sometimes is the ultra-sarcastic humor and the fact that I've seldom encountered a nerd that I would consider generous, let alone one that appreciates generosity. The ones I deal with in my daily life seem constantly concerned with manipulating circumstances to their advantage, and though we all do to some extent, the lack of social decorum makes it really transparent.

It's fatiguing being around someone that doesn't care about being considerate, socially thoughtful or hygienic, and somehow thinks they're better than everyone else for it.

That being said, some of my best friends are nerds. There are different types, and I gravitate toward the ones that are nerdy primarily for the type of entertainment that interests them.

Philanthropist

02-08-2011, 06:23 PM

eagleseven

02-08-2011, 06:27 PM

Hmm...I hit every tick on your list, only I'm not socially inept, I maintain very good hygiene, only pick pimples in private, and try to make my clothes match.

Does that make me a nerd?

Blse

02-08-2011, 09:55 PM

Hmm...I hit every tick on your list, only I'm not socially inept, I maintain very good hygiene, only pick pimples in private, and try to make my clothes match.

Does that make me a nerd?

Think of it as a strata.

Muse

02-08-2011, 10:13 PM

If they are fun to be around i don't really care what rigid stereotype they fit into. What matters is the end result, enjoyment of company.

Even if someone fit into all those things you listed, i wouldn't think thats any weirder than the other stereotypes people fit into.

envirodude

02-08-2011, 11:10 PM

I haven't actually heard the word 'nerd' in a long time - but I'm in my 40s. I would say I feel sorrow, disgust, and some anger toward nerds. I think they need a good talking to - tell them to chill and stop trying so hard. Probably, the disgust and anger come from the fact that I was borderline nerd throughout highschool. Most nerds, myself included, just seem to grow out of it past high-school once they become ok with who they are. I think what is so grating about nerds is that they scream "phony" because it's obvious they're putting on an act to try and please someone.

Now, this is completely different from a 'geek'. I'm definitely proud to be a geek, which is sort of a grown up, relaxed, authentic version of the high-school nerd. I don't consider geek to be at all derogatory - to me it just means that you are passionate about something somewhat techy. You could have music geeks, sports geeks, and yes, computer geeks.

I think INTJf is a good vehicle for transforming nerds (bad) into geeks (good), because it shows you you're not such a freak. Now go wash your face, brush your teeth and buy some decent clothes.

pip

02-08-2011, 11:38 PM

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zibber

02-09-2011, 01:34 AM

- Not [...] waxing eyebrows regularly for women

I know a lot of nerds, then. And I get down on my knees every morning and thank God Almighty for this.

I hope I've successfully painted a picture of what I'm talking about.

No.

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Think of it as a strata.

Stratum :dunce:

;)

Philanthropist

02-09-2011, 01:57 AM

No.

I don't see how you can't understand what I'm talking about at this point.....How much more of a detailed picture can I draw you?

zibber

02-09-2011, 02:11 AM

I don't see how you can't understand what I'm talking about at this point.....How much more of a detailed picture can I draw you?

What if you moisten your finger, hold it up in the air and name ten more random things that occur to you?

Myrna

02-09-2011, 02:21 AM

Photolysis

02-09-2011, 05:54 AM

I'll agree, it's hard to define nerd exactly. But the following symptoms are usually indicative of some (or a lot of) nerdiness being present:

- Social ineptness that lasts into adulthood
- Poor hygiene
- Poor fashion sense
- Strong interest in science/maths
- Interest in anime (beyong the age of 13)
- Reading comic books/interest in comic book characters
- Watching/reading sci-fi
- Having more than a fleeting interest in Japan
- Owning anything to do with star wars
- Playing video games (again, I'm talking about adults)
- Picking pimples in public
- Insistance on wearing clothing in colours/textures that don't match
- Not shaving regularly for men or waxing eyebrows regularly for women
- Being interested in computers simply for a love of the technology

I hope I've successfully painted a picture of what I'm talking about.

I appreciate you've said the term is hard to define (and I agree with you on that point), but some of these are just silly.

Playing video games (again, I'm talking about adults)

This is as outdated as describing the Internet as "something for computer geeks", or "the horseless carriage is a peculiarity". Gaming is mass-market now, and several studies show that adults make up the largest demographic.

Owning anything to do with star wars

Other than the films, surely? You would have to include a lot of people otherwise.

Social ineptness that lasts into adulthood

Too vague, since most people have personality quirks. Complete ineptitude maybe?

Poor fashion sense

Again, too vague. Could just as easily be a conscious rejection of a very shallow aspect of society.

Night Runner

02-09-2011, 06:06 AM

Mostly harmless.

Latro

02-09-2011, 07:27 AM

Sure, some do. Some don't. It's rather strange and presumptous to expect people to know about a video game. That was my point.

It gets especially nerdy when navigating the lingo sorrounding said hobby becomes like navigating government paperwork with "MMORPG" and what not. Man at least the government is something kind enough to make those things pronouncable.
I'd go so far as to say that more people in a neighborhood of most WoW players are familiar with WoW than aren't. I might be wrong, but if I am it's not by an especially wide margin. This makes it seem a little presumptuous that you should expect them to clarify the first time when more often than not they don't have to. Why not just ask if you don't understand the first time, or better yet, simply say that you're not interested in the subject?

catzmeow

02-09-2011, 08:02 AM

Poor hygiene is NOT a defining characteristic of nerds. Nerds tend to be more intelligent than average, with obscure (to the mainstream population) interests, and to be engaged in nerdy pursuits (sci fi, etc.).

Nerds aren't dirty. Have you mistake nerds for hippies?

Philanthropist

02-09-2011, 08:12 AM

What if you moisten your finger, hold it up in the air and name ten more random things that occur to you?

Using sarcasm to dismiss something that doesn't fit with you world view doesn't constitute a good argument. What don't you understand exactly about what I'm saying?

Since everyone else seems to understand what I'm saying I have a feeling where this is going though.....:thinking:

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Well, I think of myself as a nerd, but aside from the strong interest in science and math, none of these describes me. I even wax my eyebrows each month. I am highly interested in philosophy and literature and I like to discuss and debate ideas, as opposed to talking about what's on T.V. or gossiping. This itself qualifies me as a nerd...So, there are different types of nerds.

Not being a bimbo doesn't automatically qualify you as a nerd.

cannotseethe

02-09-2011, 08:15 AM

- Social ineptness that lasts into adulthood
- Poor hygiene
...

I hope I've successfully painted a picture of what I'm talking about.

Yes, you've depicted A=A very well. "I don't like stuff that I don't like."

deacon

02-09-2011, 08:23 AM

a nerd to me is someone that has above average knowledge on something whether it be comic books or video games. you can be a car nerd or a watch nerd or a movie nerd. just because you're hobby is more acceptable or "cooler" does not exclude you from being a nerd. also since knowledge is the determining factor of nerdy behavior looks don't need to play a factor.

for example, even jocks have nerdy habits. my teammate is quite popular, great with girls, a good wingman, dresses well but then he also loves star wars, computer games, comic book trivia. i think he's a nerd but isn't called out on it because of his appearance. i also know a girl who is actually a nerd but due to her hotness is never called out on it. if you ask her about anime and manga though she'll never stop talking.

catzmeow

02-09-2011, 08:23 AM

Yes, you've depicted A=A very well. "I don't like stuff that I don't like."

But, does A=nerd? That's the real question.

Philanthropist

02-09-2011, 08:24 AM

Nerds tend to be more intelligent than average, with obscure (to the mainstream population) interests

That's true, but that isn't what makes them nerds. Think about it, most people wouldn't call artists, musicians, painters, fashion designers, film directors and sculptors nerds yet they share these traits with nerds.

What really defines a nerd is their overt lack of sensuality in the way they operate in the world. It can be seen in all aspects of their life; the clumsiness, the lack of social graces, the mismatched clothes, the obsession with the hard sciences and maths.

delilah

02-09-2011, 08:28 AM

catzmeow

02-09-2011, 08:30 AM

What really defines a nerd is their overt lack of sensuality in the way they operate in the world. It can be seen in all aspects of their life; the clumsiness, the lack of social graces, the mismatched clothes, the obsession with the hard sciences and maths.

It's not a lack of sensuality. It's a lack of social graces or, in some cases, extreme shyness. I have sex with a nerd on a regular basis, he's very sensual, but it's hidden under a lot of clumsy social skills and a focus on intellectualism. He's also very clean. I've never experienced hygiene issues with ANY of the many nerds I've dated.

Philanthropist

02-09-2011, 08:34 AM

Just some light reading I'd recommend, to really help get a grasp on what a "nerd" actually is. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) Best to at least learn the history of something before you decide to completely write it off as one way, no?

Thanks, interesting link. Ironically their definition of nerd is quite close to the one I gave in the post above yours.

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It's not a lack of sensuality. It's a lack of social graces. I have sex with a nerd on a regular basis, he's very sensual, but it's hidden under a lot of clumsy social skills and a focus on intellectualism. He's also very clean.

How did I know you were going to mention that? Lol, well I should me more specific. I mean sensual in areas other than sex. As they mentioned in the book Delilah kindly provided the link to, nerds lack the ability to be excited by beauty, food, art, socialising etc.

Fryman58

02-09-2011, 08:46 AM

NERDS!!! (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

First thing that came to mind.

Back to the subject,

I do not like your definition of "Nerds". It is stereotypical, outdated, and negative. However I guess that is what a "common American" would say anyways. I forgive you for your ignorance :wiseguy:.

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Urban Dictionary is always an interesting place to look up information on topics like this.

Philanthropist

02-09-2011, 08:52 AM

Urban Dictionary is always an interesting place to look up information on topics like this.

I don't blame you for finding it interesting. Who on earth doesn't like such flattering things?

Fryman58

02-09-2011, 09:10 AM

I don't blame you for finding it interesting. Who on earth doesn't like such flattering things?

it is better then being insulted so harshly.

There are half truths everywhere, and when a person takes a half-truth as the full truth trouble starts. My point is, your definition of nerds do not adequately represent the breath of nerdom. Your definition represents your bias against nerds, while mine represents my biases for nerds.

you should read number 10# (and 13#)

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catzmeow

02-09-2011, 10:37 AM

How did I know you were going to mention that? Lol, well I should me more specific. I mean sensual in areas other than sex. As they mentioned in the book Delilah kindly provided the link to, nerds lack the ability to be excited by beauty, food, art, socialising etc.

I don't think that they are super excited by these things, but I see that my boyfriend enjoys good food, loves natural beauty, and can even enjoy socializing if he has someone to smooth his way and make sure that he is included.

I consider myself a nerd. My interests are extremely specialized, and definitely in some cases fall into the nerdy domain. However, I am able to "fake it" fairly well, and in most regards, I appear perfectly normal (within the ENFP spectrum of such things). I like nerds, because they think and talk about things besides "Who appeared on American Idol last night?" and other not so brainy and pretty superficial subjects.

Blse

02-09-2011, 10:45 AM

I don't think that they are super excited by these things, but I see that my boyfriend enjoys good food, loves natural beauty, and can even enjoy socializing if he has someone to smooth his way and make sure that he is included.

Than that makes him less nerdy.

I consider myself a nerd. My interests are extremely specialized, and definitely in some cases fall into the nerdy domain.

Specialized interest a nerd does not make. Granted the definition of any social construct is to some extent or another subjective and abitrary, but for the purposes of this thread you have been given a definition.

However, I am able to "fake it" fairly well, and in most regards, I appear perfectly normal (within the ENFP spectrum of such things). I like nerds, because they think and talk about things besides "Who appeared on American Idol last night?" and other not so brainy and pretty superficial subjects.

Being an intellecutal is not the same as being a nerd.

Just some light reading I'd recommend, to really help get a grasp on what a "nerd" actually is. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) Best to at least learn the history of something before you decide to completely write it off as one way, no?

"Actually" implies an objective defintion. That doesn't exsist. There's is no "actually" in that sense.

What we have hear is a social construct. An idea, of a group of people who share a strong engagement in interests that lack sensuality, expressivess of the human condition and are characterized by lackluster social skills. The assertion of the this thread, that this sub-culture is to be labeled "nerds," is in accordance with the Zeitgeist and thus valid to the extent that the description of a social construct can be.

You've described a nerd so impeccably that I've just found one. In this thread. In your avatar.

Dude, that's me and I hate math, the physical sciences :yuck:, and am constantly engaged in sensual activities. Moreover, you can only see a white Abercrombie and Fitch polo shirt in the pic. Thus, you don't know whether my clothes are actually mis-matched. This in turn could lead to the rather ironic conclusion that you are unaware of what constitutes mis-matched clothes.

Nice try though ;).

catzmeow

02-09-2011, 11:41 AM

Than that makes him less nerdy.

Specialized interest a nerd does not make. Granted the definition of any social construct is to some extent or another subjective and abitrary, but for the purposes of this thread you have been given a definition.

Being an intellecutal is not the same as being a nerd.

"Actually" implies an objective defintion. That doesn't exsist. There's is no "actually" in that sense.

What we have hear is a social construct. An idea, of a group of people who share a strong engagement in interests that lack sensuality, expressivess of the human condition and are characterized by lackluster social skills. The assertion of the this thread, that this sub-culture is to be labeled "nerds," is in accordance with the Zeitgeist and thus valid to the extent that the description of a social construct can be.

Dude, that's me and I hate math, the physical sciences :yuck:, and am constantly engaged in sensual activities. Moreover, you can only see a white Abercrombie and Fitch polo shirt in the pic. Thus, you don't know whether my clothes are actually mis-matched. This in turn could lead to the rather ironic conclusion that you are unaware of what constitutes mis-matched clothes.

Nice try though ;).

I think that you're commonly acknowledged to be a nerd, BLSE, but I'm not sure that you are definitive source on all things nerd. I reject your expertise on this subject, in fact.

I was a nerd when you were in pampers. Something to consider.

MortalWombat

02-09-2011, 04:03 PM

Wow. You're in your mid twenties and you never heard of Zelda (I'd figure you'd at least come across someone or quite a few that spoke of Zelda to or near you considering your age)? Or at least Ocarina of Time (one of the Zelda games). OoT was one of the major games in gaming history. It still hasn't been surpassed in quality some actually believe.

I feel the need to whip out my 'nerd' right here.
Ocarina is an epic game, even for one (me) who very rarely played them. I do believe it is one of the best made games out there, still.

Also, I'm not really understanding the stigma that goes with "nerd". It seems largely stereotyped, and most people here seem to fully believe all the factors. As with any stereotype, people may forget that while some of it has a basis, it's largely bullshit. Intelligence + favoring games must equal horrid hygiene?
I don't really understand why some people can't seem to wrap their minds around individuality, rather than stereotypes. What next, we gonna have a bitchin conversation about how women can't drive and black people will kill someone over some fried chicken?

Blse

02-09-2011, 04:08 PM

I think that you're commonly acknowledged to be a nerd, BLSE, but I'm not sure that you are definitive source on all things nerd. I reject your expertise on this subject, in fact.

I was a nerd when you were in pampers. Something to consider.

Contradicts what people IRL say about me (although your definition of nerd seem to stray quite a bit from this thread - my fiance and I think more of the Big Bang Theory when it comes to nerds; a description that suits neither of us). That said, it's not about my expertise, it's about gathering opinions on the cultural sub-group outlined by my fiance, which we both dubb nerds. If you want to come up with an alternate definition of nerd, feel free.

I feel the need to whip out my nerd right here.
Ocarina is an epic game, even for one (me) who very rarely played them. I do believe it is one of the best made games out there, still.

See, this is what I'm thinking of.

Also, I'm not really understanding the stigma that goes with "nerd". It seems largely stereotyped, and most people here seem to fully believe all the factors. As with any stereotype, people may forget that while some of it has a basis, it's largely bullshit. Intelligence + favoring games = horrid hygiene?

No, it's not like that. It's an observation that those who have esoteric interests and play video games also often have lackluster social skills, poor hygiene, poor fashion sense, and overall aren't very sensual. Those are the folks we're talking about. Like the creators of shows, such as The Big Bang Theory, that's what my fiance and I call "nerds."

Opressoliber

02-09-2011, 04:11 PM

A nerd is basically a (perhaps good, perhaps bad) guy that gets treated like a bad guy for no viable reason.

I take it as an insult. If someone calls you that (often behind your back), 99% of the time, someone thinks of themselves as better than you... They need a fucking good beating.;)

MortalWombat

02-09-2011, 04:13 PM

The show plays on the stereotype. Some people may be like that, but it's not a rule. I played video games sometimes as a kid, and I have glorious hygiene and am a fully functioning member of society.

Blse

02-09-2011, 04:39 PM

The show plays on the stereotype. Some people may be like that, but it's not a rule. I played video games sometimes as a kid, and I have glorious hygiene and am a fully functioning member of society.

You misunderstand the concept. It's not that if any one of these items fit you, than you're a nerd. It's that there's a group of people for whom these traits align and whom we call nerds and are gathering opinions on.

MortalWombat

02-09-2011, 04:44 PM

I apologize. I just feel that judging a group of people that hold a few similar characteristics isn't the appropriate thing to do.

wildbutwise

02-09-2011, 06:49 PM

I would say it's just another label.To call some one a nerd a geek or egghead is kind of harsh and immature.Labelling anyone anything is discriminating.If nerds exist I am sure they look at the world alot different than you.Ask them what they would label you as if they had a name for it.

I cant speak for everyone here but I am sure most people in their life have felt left out or isolated at some point due to ther appearance, comments or behaviour.They learn over time to correct it if they can, or if they want to, or if they even care to.

If your grungy and have bad hygiene maybe your just lazy,or homeless or having a hard time financially.

I will compare myself to your some of your definitions I don't think I am a geek but if you met me you might think I was.

1. Social Ineptness, most people I avoid because they irritate me because of their stupid group attitude no individualism is accepted or you may be a threat thats why I am a lone wolf not a geek.

2. Poor hygiene,
But I think you mean the mad scientist type who obsessively works on a project but puts aside routine good eating and bathing habits to excell in their work.Like anything in life too much of anything will get the best of you. Balance is important.

As for me I shave once a week because I work outside and its well below freezing and I work my ass off so it protects my face.But I shave my balls on a regular basis so thats gotta count for something.No I am not a gay gigalo or gay gigalo geek.

3.Poor fashion sense when I do go out I can dress up well and match colours.I can get laid on a regular basis even if the colours don't match.If you came to my house unexpectingly you may find me lounging in my underwear or long johns under a blanket.Why dress up at home waste of energy.Not a geek just tired from working that day.

4.Science and Math.
Well I like history,geography,philosophy,math,science and technology.Math and science are important because I was a tradesman we build things that people use in everyday life. Not a geek just a job.But I am building a rocket ship in my backyard, just kidding.If I could I would.

5.Interest in Anime.
Yes I like cartoons I grew up watching bugs bunny.You grow out of it .I loved the Heavy Metal cartoon and I was 16 when I saw it.Yes even some of the stuff from Japan was cool and it was subtitled.Am I a geek no I appreciate someone who can draw a cool story and make it look real thats talent its like being an artist.

6.Reading comic books.I don't have time to read for fun.You have to admit they made some cool movies from those comic book stories eg Iron Man ,the Hulk, Transformers
etc someone is making millions.Is that geeky.

7.Watching reading Sci Fi. yes I watched it since I was a kid and still do,old b movies,new age.You have to admit some good imagination there.Good effects.More Money for someone its entertainment not geeky.If you had a choice soap op drama or Sci fi what would you pick.

8. Having more than a fleeting interest in Japan.The Japanese have come along way they make good electronics,some cartoons,hondas and sushi which is ok. I don't think I am obsessed over their culture like anything too much is not good for you. Balance.

9.Owning Star Wars.Well I do I am not a fanatic or conventionist.But what do you do if your kid likes it more than you did call him a geek.Not good parenting it may lead to social dysfunction and low self esteem.So I helped him build his collection of whatever he wanted and it was fun.I call it an investment and in 30 years it will be worth alot dollar wise and to him and his kids.I picked a few things for myself thanks to technology.

10.Playing video games.I did and still do its not geeky its entertainment and educational.Ever play multiplayer online with your kids youll have a ball.Or go to an arcade with them.

11.Picking pimples in public.Yes that can be as bad a picking your nose or scratching your ass or balls in public.Discretion helps but if you have to, so the counter girl does not notice the big whitehead you just happened to grow unexpectedly.Then a bloody dot is better than the white head near your nose.Remember to wash your hands.
I have done all of the above discretly but I am sure someone may have noticed.Is it geeky no just last minute comfort control.

12.Mismatched colours or textures.Are we talking golf pants or pants that are too big like falling down. I hear thats the old style for some skateboarders.Seems their still in fashion but I don't know if they fit the other geek definitions.Some mornings when I drive my kid to school I just throw on whatever,is it geeky no its just not fashionable for a first meet.When I go back home I am going back to bed because I am on holidays or day off or sick.

13 Not Shaving men I answered that one in hygiene.
Eye brow waxing women.The women will have to answer that.I will agree that women with bushy eyebrows is not sexy so trimming is fine not geeky.Women with no eyebrows is scary or their buddies shaved them when they passed out so their not geeky either they just can't handle their liquor.

14.Being interested in computers.When I grew up in school only the kids with 95-100 in marks got to use the computers in grade 7-8. In grade nine it was computer science and you had to have the math marks as a pre.Me I did not qualify. Technology is more user friendly currently. Now I can build, repair,and program my own computer the way I like and it saves me alot of money and I don't get ripped off.Its an educational tool.Not Geeky since our society relies on this type of technology and its subproducts.eg cell phone,I pod,Mp3,flat screen tv etc etc etc .You have to admit you can do alot with computers now and everyone has equal access.

I hope I answered your definitions I may seem like a nerd to you by your standards.But who are you to rate people.I am not offended but you may have offended some others but you just lack some understanding of individuals and their qualities.
I don't regret being an individual and an INTJ and would not want it any other way.

Thank You

The Many

02-09-2011, 06:53 PM

You misunderstand the concept. It's not that if any one of these items fit you, than you're a nerd. It's that there's a group of people for whom these traits align and whom we call nerds and are gathering opinions on.

Alternatively, perhaps your 'concept' of a nerd has an extension which consists of a subset of the more general concept of nerd, used by others. So there may be two concepts at work in this thread. But semantics aside, I think you're onto something. While we may speak of nerds in a broad manner, thus including more or less every moderately intelligent person, we may also use it in this much more specific manner since it's fairly obvious that there is some kind of sub-culture, or identity if you will, for which most of the traits you mentioned fit.

What of these people, then? I can't say I've had that much experience with this kind of nerds, but I've got one close friend who fits to most of the traits, self-identifies as a nerd, and even seems to build his life around it. I think there's a certain je ne sais quoi, perhaps one could say a certain mindlessness, about it which I have a hard time fully appreciating. It's as though this friend of mine - and other people like him - do not attempt to lead fully human lives, but instead prefer to stay inside their own heads, which they don't even care to develop in the first place. And myself I'm such a perfectionist that I have a hard time valuing people's projects when they obviously do not care about such things themselves.

A caveat: nothing of this does, of course, say that this friend of mine isn't a good friend, intelligent, or whatever. But even with a friendship, I still have a bit of a hard time with it.

Autumnleaf

02-09-2011, 07:01 PM

I think nerds have gone from math club outcasts to getting good jobs with decent salaries while many 'normal' people have become the nerds working at Walmart. I think its been that way for a long time too. That said, I'd rather spend time with nerds than other people because they usually know a lot about something interesting while normal people know a lot of boring facts concerning sports teams and such.

I second whoever said nerd women are hot. Its nice meeting someone I can talk to who isn't put off by big words.

Antares

02-09-2011, 07:05 PM

I'll agree, it's hard to define nerd exactly. But the following symptoms are usually indicative of some (or a lot of) nerdiness being present:

- Social ineptness that lasts into adulthood
- Poor hygiene
- Poor fashion sense
- Strong interest in science/maths
- Interest in anime (beyong the age of 13)
- Reading comic books/interest in comic book characters
- Watching/reading sci-fi
- Having more than a fleeting interest in Japan
- Owning anything to do with star wars
- Playing video games (again, I'm talking about adults)
- Picking pimples in public
- Insistance on wearing clothing in colours/textures that don't match
- Not shaving regularly for men or waxing eyebrows regularly for women
- Being interested in computers simply for a love of the technology

I hope I've successfully painted a picture of what I'm talking about.

Funny. I define "nerd" as people who have many, many intellectual interests and hobbies. As such, I self identify as a nerd. I read philosophy, literature, appreciate the arts, play instruments, discuss theoretical physics, sociology, psychology, religion, cosmology, write calligraphy and literature etc. I don't care to keep up with the fashion but I always go for a put-together look and make sure my colors match; I would never go out looking unkempt and recently out-of-bed. I don't own anything related to Star Wars (other than DVDs) although I sure like it. I scarcely play video games and never saw the need to wax my eyebrows. I like science but not maths, and I hate picking my pimples... anywhere. I hate anime and don't give a shit about Japan and rarely watch/read sci-fi.

I don't mind nerds who fit your symptoms, because I'm probably quirky in my own, less visible (and disagreeable) way.

Tyrant Soup

02-09-2011, 07:20 PM

Your definition of "nerd" is so narrow that it is applicable only to a very small minority. You are effectively refining the term. The common usage includes a much wider range of people.

What was the intent of the question? Obviously, no one will have a high opinion of the unhygienic, unappealing social misfit that you described.

Fryman58

02-09-2011, 07:22 PM

No, it's not like that. It's an observation that those who have esoteric interests and play video games also often have lackluster social skills, poor hygiene, poor fashion sense, and overall aren't very sensual. Those are the folks we're talking about. Like the creators of shows, such as The Big Bang Theory, that's what my fiance and I call "nerds."

I think your views on "nerds" is fundamentally flawed if you consider the people on The Big Bang Theory simply as "nerds".

First let me state the obvious: it is a TV show and is not real!

Second: Read this article because I do not watch the TV show. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Now backing away from TV. I think the OP is wrong in his definition of a nerd, and anyone who agrees with him can refer to entry 13 in urban dictionary for Nerd. This thread is using an incorrect and negative stereotype about Nerds.

People are confusing the subculture of "Nerds" with that of "Geeks" and "Dorks". For this confusion and ignorance, I refuse to acknowledge the Philanthropist's and Blse's viewpoints.

Philanthropist

02-09-2011, 08:50 PM

I think that you're commonly acknowledged to be a nerd, BLSE, but I'm not sure that you are definitive source on all things nerd.

As someone who knows Blse intimately in real life, I reserve the right to disagree with you. He is not a nerd, infact quite the opposite. Although if we're usiing your definition of nerd, that is, not being a meat head then I suppose I could agree.......

Blse

02-09-2011, 10:13 PM

nolabel

02-10-2011, 04:37 AM

I'm confused.

You asked for their opinions on nerds. They gave it. You say their opinion isn't right because their definition of a nerd is different from yours?

Philanthropist

02-10-2011, 04:43 AM

I'm confused.

You asked for their opinions on nerds. They gave it. You say their opinion isn't right because their definition of a nerd is different from yours?

How do you suppose I'm to ascertain their opinion on nerds if we're talking about two totally different kinds of people?

IotaNull

02-10-2011, 04:50 AM

My opinion on people I don't like is that I don't like them.

nolabel

02-10-2011, 04:57 AM

-Substitute the word nerd. It seems there is no universal definition for nerd.

-Supply your definition and ask them to give their opinions of nerds based on that definition. Be clear and concise. Giving a list of habits and preferences won't be enough as a definition as people will just use it as a check list. "I fit everything except I have good hygiene and I am not socially inept. People like my company. Am I still a nerd?" I assume you would say "Then you're not a nerd."

-If you can't supply a clear definition, how about using Wikipedia's? Unless you are not satisfied with Wikipedia's definition.

Antares

02-10-2011, 07:14 AM

You're not a nerd, you're artsy. They're quite different. You don't fit the common description of a nerd.

Well, thanks for your opinion.

For the record, we are talking about the common grade school (K-12) stereotypes, right? I think you will find that if you had to classify me, I'd be a nerd. Arts is not my dominant hobby; I just enjoy them. Thinking is my hobby. Physics is my hobby. Again, I don't like math. I'm usually the one making references to the things I've learned, spouting theories that my peers usually don't understand, using jargon in my daily speech, reading about physics, joined a quiz team, on a fountain pen forum, joins astronomy camps etc.

Why do nerds have to be science/math/CS? Autistic? Stinkers? Stinkers, along with those who dress themselves in rags, are losers, not nerds. I do have contempt for those who can't spare enough hours out of the clouds to adequately take care of themselves. Science, math and computer are predominantly male hobbies and careers, but then a person who has a passion for history, arts, philosophy, sociology, etc. can't be a nerd? For me, a nerd is a kid who ditches his sandbox to practice piano, to read history (I read all five thousand years of Chinese history when I was six, practically memorized it and ended up teaching my teacher), to read classics (likewise with Chinese classics; read them multiple times before I transferred to my current English-speaking school in third grade), to watch documentaries instead of cartoons, to write Synapse (although Zuckerberg would be a typical nerd, I guess).

Oh, and the stereotypical nerds whose eyes seem to be popping out at billions of lines of code? I've seen two. 1. Jesse Eisenberg on Social Network 2. a camp friend I met. He's a great fellow, but tends to look rather OCD and by his own admission enjoys writing programs that solve the magic hexagon, and gave a lecture on knot theory has extensive knowledge on the inner workings of the Rubik's Cube. I hang out with intellectual people, but he's actually the first stereotypical nerd I've met.

catzmeow

02-10-2011, 07:22 AM

The Big Bang Theory, that's what my fiance and I call "nerds."
The big bang theory exaggerates stereotypes to make a point. I have nerdy band geeks in my house every weekend. Most of them have fairly good hygiene, even though they spend way too much time playing minecraft and most of them are socially awkward and can't choose clothes or a good haircut to save their lives.

FWIW, I was on the debate team in high school and college. I played in the marching band. I was socially awkward with bad hair and a mouthful of braces. I devoured science fiction novels by the bushel full. I went to the brain bowl, mock congress and mock UN. I was in the top 1% on my college entrance exams, and spent time weekly in a small class of brainiacs taught by the college president. I had a blog back before blogging was cool. I taught myself to code html in the late 90s to create websites on obscure topics. I have a level 110 character on runescape (I play AS AN ADULT).

I'm not a science geek, I'm a poli sci/philosophy/sci fi/fantasy nerd.

I look normal. I pledged Delta Zeta in college and have stayed active as an alumn. I've worked in politics. I've learned to have social skills, but I didn't have these until college, and I faked it for a long time to appear normal to my peers. Even now, I own everything ever produced by Joss Whedon (and I have a large collection of sci fi and zombie flicks as well). I spend more money on books in an average year than I do on clothes (but I probably have the best wardrobe in my office).

I am a nerd, and I know nerds well. I date a nerd. Neither of us is exactly like any of the characters on BBT, except maybe, I'm mildly like Leonard and my boyfriend, in spite of being a military officer, is mildly like Raj.

Philanthropist

02-10-2011, 07:46 AM

Blse

02-10-2011, 08:21 AM

The big bang theory exaggerates stereotypes to make a point. I have nerdy band geeks in my house every weekend. Most of them have fairly good hygiene, even though they spend way too much time playing minecraft and most of them are socially awkward and can't choose clothes or a good haircut to save their lives.

Thanks for making our point. Those are the nerds we're talking about. The Big Bang theory exaggerates them, but perfectly described the akwardness and lack of sensuality.

FWIW, I was on the debate team in high school and college. I played in the marching band. I was socially awkward with bad hair and a mouthful of braces. I devoured science fiction novels by the bushel full. I went to the brain bowl, mock congress and mock UN. I was in the top 1% on my college entrance exams, and spent time weekly in a small class of brainiacs taught by the college president. I had a blog back before blogging was cool. I taught myself to code html in the late 90s to create websites on obscure topics. I have a level 110 character on runescape (I play AS AN ADULT).

I'm not a science geek, I'm a poli sci/philosophy/sci fi/fantasy nerd.

I look normal. I pledged Delta Zeta in college and have stayed active as an alumn. I've worked in politics. I've learned to have social skills, but I didn't have these until college, and I faked it for a long time to appear normal to my peers. Even now, I own everything ever produced by Joss Whedon (and I have a large collection of sci fi and zombie flicks as well). I spend more money on books in an average year than I do on clothes (but I probably have the best wardrobe in my office).

I am a nerd, and I know nerds well. I date a nerd. Neither of us is exactly like any of the characters on BBT, except maybe, I'm mildly like Leonard and my boyfriend, in spite of being a military officer, is mildly like Raj.

Ok, so you're both nerds who've learned to keep that side hidden.

Oh, and the stereotypical nerds whose eyes seem to be popping out at billions of lines of code? I've seen two. 1. Jesse Eisenberg on Social Network 2. a camp friend I met. He's a great fellow, but tends to look rather OCD and by his own admission enjoys writing programs that solve the magic hexagon, and gave a lecture on knot theory has extensive knowledge on the inner workings of the Rubik's Cube. I hang out with intellectual people, but he's actually the first stereotypical nerd I've met.

Excately those are the folks we talk about, not intellectuals in general.

catzmeow

02-10-2011, 08:55 AM

Thanks for making our point. Those are the nerds we're talking about. The Big Bang theory exaggerates them, but perfectly described the akwardness and lack of sensuality.

Nerds don't lack sensuality. They may be bookish, intellectual, and not very social.

For the record, though, I think Leonard is totally do-able. Raj, too. And the good thing about Raj would be that he'd be too nervous to talk.

Blse

02-10-2011, 09:19 AM

Nerds don't lack sensuality. They may be bookish, intellectual, and not very social.

I disagree. The stereotypically nerdy hobbies, from video games to sci fi are all non-sensual. Sensual people also typically care about how thinks look or feel; as a sensual person myself I couldn't stand to walk around in Big Bang Theory type clothes, not grooming myself properly, driving a tiny car with old cloth seats, living in a cluttered apartment and so and so forth, etc... The way things look and feel and sound does not seem of high importance to nerds who are perfectly happy sitting in clutter, wearing mis-matched clothes, playing video games with greasy fingers. It's related to social skills as well. Nerds don't care much about appearing dignified and graceful because they are not interest in engaging the sensual realm much. I also see it when giving presentations. Nerds are always the "no-frills" presenters, giving a dry speech, whereas I like to put on a little show to soak up the spotlight. There's nothing wrong with that - there really is not. It's just not my preference nor that of my fiance.

For the record, though, I think Leonard is totally do-able. Raj, too. And the good thing about Raj would be that he'd be too nervous to talk.

...unless you get him drunk first.

catzmeow

02-10-2011, 10:18 AM

So you're a closet nerd :)

Not at all closeted. I've just learned to LOOK normal.

Re: Nerds not being sensual---They are SCARY GOOD at sex. That qualifies as sensual to me.

You are engaging in poor reasoning in this thread by creating definitions for terms that are artificially narrow and not generally accepted.

themuzicman

02-10-2011, 10:20 AM

(Studies show that IT nerds are most interested in the satisfaction of their mates during sex...)

Blse

02-10-2011, 11:09 AM

Not at all closeted. I've just learned to LOOK normal.

Re: Nerds not being sensual---They are SCARY GOOD at sex. That qualifies as sensual to me.

That only one aspect of being sensual. Also, I doubt your sample measures up to statistical standards.

You are engaging in poor reasoning in this thread by creating definitions for terms that are artificially narrow and not generally accepted.

My definitions are quite commonly accepted, as is evident from the stereotypes presented in media. Even you have validated our definition through your description of the band geeks at your house. Lastly just at random, there this post (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) in another thread - I'm sure I could dig up a lot more such comments.

catzmeow

02-10-2011, 11:11 AM

That only one aspect of being sensual. Also, I doubt your sample measures up to statistical standards.

Oh, we're being statistical now? Are you planning to provide some stats instead of stereotypes?

My definitions are quite commonly accepted

Fail. They aren't accepted in this thread, much less society.

Blse

02-10-2011, 11:14 AM

Oh, we're being statistical now? Are you planning to provide some stats instead of stereotypes?

"Nerd" is a stereotype made about a certain group of folks who share certain character traits that are to some extent or another stigmatized.

That said, I'm just dismissing your argument based on a sample of 1 person. Just because your bf is a nerd who's good in bed (which is a bit TMI, but...), doesn't mean nerds are not overall less sensual in their engagement of the outside world than ordinary folks.

Fail. They aren't accepted in this thread, much less society.

Just because you say so doesn't make it so. So far you've failed to bring up an argument to refute mine. You did though, inadvertenly support my definition of a nerd.

tandoori85

02-10-2011, 11:26 AM

The few people that really know me say I'm a nerd, but what is a nerd anyway. To hell with stereotyping.

Blse

02-10-2011, 11:29 AM

The few people that really know me say I'm a nerd, but what is a nerd anyway. To hell with stereotyping.

Nerd is a social label. If you say the fell with social labels, you can't apply them to yourself anymore.

cannotseethe

02-10-2011, 11:34 AM

Just because your bf is a nerd who's good in bed (which is a bit TMI, but...), doesn't mean nerds are not overall less sensual in their engagement of the outside world than ordinary folks.

Whereas your contentless and unjustified assertion that they are means more than a pile of sun-dried dog shit? You've banged a bunch of nerds and found them lacking?

Just because you say so doesn't make it so.

Exactly.

Blse

02-10-2011, 11:37 AM

Whereas your contentless and unjustified assertion that they are means more than a pile of sun-dried dog shit? You've banged a bunch of nerds and found them lacking?

Really? Have you ever consumed mass media to get an awareness of the Zeitgeist as it relates to the perception of sub-cultures?

Exactly.

Ironic, given your comments.

cannotseethe

02-10-2011, 11:45 AM

Really? Have you ever consumed mass media to get an awareness of the Zeitgeist as it relates to the perception of sub-cultures?

This is a non-response. You neither answered the question nor addressed the point behind it: that you're asserting statements about nerds, many of which have been contradicted in this thread, without justification or proof. Citing your own perception of pop culture is like putting boogers on the sun-dried dog poop.

Ironic, given your comments.

Not really. You make the assertion, you take on the burden of proof. That you say, for instance, nerds are less sensual than non-nerds does not a fact make.

Blse

02-10-2011, 11:54 AM

This is a non-response. You neither answered the question nor addressed the point behind it: that you're asserting statements about nerds, many of which have been contradicted in this thread, without justification or proof. Citing your own perception of pop culture is like putting boogers on the sun-dried dog poop.

Acutally it is not. All there is, is our perception of reality. Thus we always cite our perception of something, be it empirical evidence or contemporary culture. My observations are sufficient evidence for this discussion. So far no one has brought any better evidence contradicting them. Mostly it's a bunch of ego politics with self-professed nerd trying to define the term in a way that suits their self-image.

You comments fail to refute my argument. If you wish to make a sensible counter-argument go ahead and tell me why my "evidence" isn't sufficient, i.e. why and in what way my observations of contemporary culture aren't accurate. Every single attempt at doing that in this thread so far, has failed. Let's see if you can out-do your peers.

Not really. You make the assertion, you take on the burden of proof. That you say, for instance, nerds are less sensual than non-nerds does not a fact make.

I provided the behavior commonly associated with nerds that indicates a lack of sensuality. I did go deeper than just saying "nerds are not sensual." If you disagree with my obeservation, it would behove of you to actually present an argument that engages in my evidence. So far you've done nothing more than ignore it with hyperbolic sarcasm.

cannotseethe

02-10-2011, 12:24 PM

You comments fail to refute my argument.

That's because there's no argument to refute.

Acutally it is not. All there is, is our perception of reality.

But your perception does not include reality, apparently.

My observations are sufficient evidence for this discussion. So far no one has brought any better evidence contradicting them.

What are you talking about? Your opinions are wrong. Actual nerds have chimed in to tell you that. Their statements carry as much weight as your own, which means their opinions stand or fall with yours. If their opinions don't count, neither does yours, in which case what you've been saying is vacuous by your own assumption. If they do, then your assertions are contradicted, in which case what you've been saying is negated. Dog poop, QED.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a unicorn to tame. I'm planning to ride it to Atlantis in search of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who told me in a dream it'd help me find the lapis philosophorum I need to convert my stash of lead sinkers into enough gold to purchase the map that'll direct me to the fountain of youth.

Blse

02-10-2011, 12:56 PM

That's because there's no argument to refute.

A group called nerds is despicted in X, Y and Z manner in the media.

Go.

But your perception does not include reality, apparently.

How so? Until you explain that, your posts are nothing but misdirected anger.

What are you talking about? Your opinions are wrong.

You know that, how? Ah, you don't. You just claim you do.

Actual nerds have chimed in to tell you that. Their statements carry as much weight as your own, which means their opinions stand or fall with yours. If their opinions don't count, neither does yours, in which case what you've been saying is vacuous by your own assumption. If they do, then your assertions are contradicted, in which case what you've been saying is negated. Dog poop, QED.

Er, sorry no points. The issue that self-IDing as a nerd makes you less reliable (your posts too appear to have personal motivations) aside, their opinions are disputed because they failed to even engage my statement. Those who did actually engage my statements have a definition of "nerd" in their heads that strays from what mass culture and media depict.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a unicorn to tame. I'm planning to ride it to Atlantis in search of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who told me in a dream it'd help me find the lapis philosophorum I need to convert my stash of lead sinkers into enough gold to purchase the map that'll direct me to the fountain of youth.

You want extra credit for ranting in a coherent manner?

IotaNull

02-10-2011, 01:02 PM

A group called nerds is despicted in X, Y and Z manner in the media.

Go.

Correct. Completely worthless as a statement about anything other than that specific form of media, but nevertheless correct.

This depiction has almost no basis in reality, and the media presenting it typically does not even attempt to portray otherwise. Go.

I can't help but notice that you have a habit of posting threads, then expecting others to interpret them in whatever warped manner is necessary for them to perceive you as correct. I don't see what "If you think really hard about it, you might be able to find some context in which my statement holds water" accomplishes.

eagleseven

02-10-2011, 01:38 PM

Like the creators of shows, such as The Big Bang Theory, that's what my fiance and I call "nerds."
I work with incredibly nerdy people who crack scientific-method jokes during lunch, doing science for a living. They take great pleasure in drinking out of "Salmonella" coffee mugs, watch Sci-Fi, and play videogames during breaks. They have Star Wars and Mario theme-songs for their ringtones.

They also happen to have partners, children, substantial wealth, and the ability to drink significant amounts of alcohol on special occasions. Some travel the world every few weeks...others volunteer at charities.

I don't know a single person like the characters on Big Bang Theory. Something tells me that the writers of Big Bang Theory have never worked in a lab, and do not personally know any actual nerds.

firebee

02-10-2011, 01:57 PM

I don't know a single person like the characters on Big Bang Theory. Something tells me that the writers of Big Bang Theory have never worked in a lab, and do not personally know any actual nerds.

Well, we can by all means define "nerds" as "characters on Big Bang Theory" and proceed to discuss from there.

In that spirit, I do not like nerds. I got through approximately one half of one scene of the television program in which they appear before I determined that I did not want to be in the room while said television program was on.

I tend to think that nerds were created by their writers in order to provide transient amusement to a certain subset of people by appealing to grade-school stereotypes; as I am no longer in grade school and do not particularly wish to relive it, my interest in that particular product is consequently minimal.

Kisai

02-10-2011, 02:29 PM

eagleseven

02-10-2011, 03:06 PM

[3] God bless Captain Jack.
Which Captain Jack?

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tandoori85

02-10-2011, 03:47 PM

Do you know why people dislike nerds? Because nerds remind them of the fact how fucking stupid they really are. But some people persevere, and they start reading books. And then they will read more books. They will be reading books for all the wrong reasons, books for getting them smarted. Yes, I talking about getting smarted. But they don't get smarted, they just memorize shit other people wrote, without even really grasping the meaning of it. And they will quote, oh yes lord, they will quote. Self-smarted dumbasses just love to quote other people, they will refer you to the great authors they have read. They want to prove just how self-smarted they really are. But deep inside they know, they know they were born without superior logic and intuition. And then they become desperate. The will start calling people names, they will call them nerds. They will scrutinize every part of their god given nerdly being. They will look for flaws in their being, they will look in a overzealous way. They will make up shit even, just to feel better about themselves. I guess it's the smart thing to do even, if you can't have it or be it, just hate it.

Dru

02-10-2011, 03:55 PM

they're nerdy.

OrangeAppled

02-10-2011, 05:02 PM

Funny. I define "nerd" as people who have many, many intellectual interests and hobbies. As such, I self identify as a nerd. I read philosophy, literature, appreciate the arts, play instruments, discuss theoretical physics, sociology, psychology, religion, cosmology, write calligraphy and literature etc. I don't care to keep up with the fashion but I always go for a put-together look and make sure my colors match; I would never go out looking unkempt and recently out-of-bed. I don't own anything related to Star Wars (other than DVDs) although I sure like it. I scarcely play video games and never saw the need to wax my eyebrows. I like science but not maths, and I hate picking my pimples... anywhere. I hate anime and don't give a shit about Japan and rarely watch/read sci-fi.

I don't mind nerds who fit your symptoms, because I'm probably quirky in my own, less visible (and disagreeable) way.

For the record, we are talking about the common grade school (K-12) stereotypes, right? I think you will find that if you had to classify me, I'd be a nerd.

I'm usually the one making references to the things I've learned, spouting theories that my peers usually don't understand, using jargon in my daily speech...

Why do nerds have to be science/math/CS? Autistic? Stinkers? Stinkers, along with those who dress themselves in rags, are losers, not nerds. I do have contempt for those who can't spare enough hours out of the clouds to adequately take care of themselves. Science, math and computer are predominantly male hobbies and careers, but then a person who has a passion for history, arts, philosophy, sociology, etc. can't be a nerd? For me, a nerd is a kid who ditches his sandbox to practice piano, to read history (I read all five thousand years of Chinese history when I was six, practically memorized it and ended up teaching my teacher), to read classics (likewise with Chinese classics; read them multiple times before I transferred to my current English-speaking school in third grade), to watch documentaries instead of cartoons, to write Synapse (although Zuckerberg would be a typical nerd, I guess).

I was/am similar to you in many respects (although I love classic literature AND cartoons), and I would call myself "artsy", but I was most definitely considered a NERD in school by others. This despite the fact that I did & do like fashion, but rather than follow high school mall trends, I tended to be ahead of the pack & a risk-taker, which just sort of compounded my "odd" image. I liked learning & pursued it outside of school, I preferred discussing intellectual & artistic things to teenybopper pop culture, and I was a loner. So I was nowhere near the "in-crowd". I guess the point is, many of us don't fall neatly into these high school archetypes.

As an adult, a lot of my interests are still considered rather "nerdy" by the loose definition....When I talk to SPs, for example, they often find my interests in philosophy, poetry, literature, math, etc, to all be terribly nerdy. They make little mocking faces when I tell them I like to read at the beach..... Compound that with being socially awkward & a bit of a know-it-all, and many might call me a nerd.

But no, I have never been a nerd in the way they show portray them on TV, unless you count a character like Niles on Frasier as a nerd (that's my kind of nerd!). The sci-fi watching, Star Wars/Trek obsessed, anime fan, fashionably challenged types probably consider me an artsy snob. I find they like me less than I am annoyed by them, and a lot of it has to do with resenting any female who is not a nerd, especially if she is still intelligent.

Nonsuch

02-10-2011, 08:05 PM

Dru

02-10-2011, 08:12 PM

saying "nerds have bad hygiene" as like saying "posh people are so clueless that they don't realize sticking their noses so far up in the air advertises that they pick their noses just like everyone else".

generalizations are so unfair to people who don't have hands.

Kisai

02-11-2011, 01:07 AM

Which Captain Jack?

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azelismia

02-11-2011, 02:12 AM

So far reading thru this thread I don't get the impression that you are really interested in the opinions of others on this subject. I am not really sure what your point was here. You say you're ok with intellectualism but you seem to hate all things intellectual. you are all about sensuality. um good for you.

So, why are you here? What are you gaining from being here? you are probably surrounded by one of the biggest groupings of nerds on the interwebs. If I didn't know better I'd say you were baiting a hook.

I can tell you that my opinions on people who don't appreciate the sciences philosophy and computers and who are big instead on sensuality and superficial appearances. are generally not very positive and I have a very hard time relating to them (or even desiring to try and bridge that gap)

Some would argue that debating things or even reading things on a forum/bulletin board which was based on meyers briggs personality types was one of the nerdiest things you could even begin to contemplate.

Is this perhaps a case of "physician heal thyself?"

Philanthropist

02-11-2011, 03:46 AM

That you say, for instance, nerds are less sensual than non-nerds does not a fact make.

I would say just look at their dry, non-sesual hobbies. :idea: But that would start another semantic side show about the definition of a nerd, and why IT guys with no fashion and a bad hair cut aren't nerds, so I won't. :rolleyes:

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You say you're ok with intellectualism but you seem to hate all things intellectual. you are all about sensuality.

No, I don't. Have you read this thread?

So, why are you here? What are you gaining from being here? you are probably surrounded by one of the biggest groupings of nerds on the interwebs.

Because my self esteem is so damaged that I have to hang around here with you nerds to make myself feel better ;)

Seriously though, there are people here who aren't nerds and, above all, I find it amusing.

Blse

02-11-2011, 09:52 AM

Would anyone like to be with any character portrayed on a sitcom? I'd have the whole cast of Seinfeld buried in a shallow grave in New Jersey if I was forced to cohabitate with them. Sitcom characters are annoying, full of 'funny' quips that need a laugh track to condition the watcher into thinking they're funny, lie constantly to cover up a social gaffe. Plus they never eat, sleep, poop or have sex[1].

They do, however, reflect common perceptions and ideas. To be successful a sitcom has to be in tune with what people are thinking. As a result, they are quite accurate in reflecting popular conceptions about sub-cultures, such as nerds.

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Do you know why people dislike nerds? Because nerds remind them of the fact how fucking stupid they really are. But some people persevere, and they start reading books. And then they will read more books. They will be reading books for all the wrong reasons, books for getting them smarted. Yes, I talking about getting smarted. But they don't get smarted, they just memorize shit other people wrote, without even really grasping the meaning of it. And they will quote, oh yes lord, they will quote. Self-smarted dumbasses just love to quote other people, they will refer you to the great authors they have read. They want to prove just how self-smarted they really are. But deep inside they know, they know they were born without superior logic and intuition. And then they become desperate. The will start calling people names, they will call them nerds. They will scrutinize every part of their god given nerdly being. They will look for flaws in their being, they will look in a overzealous way. They will make up shit even, just to feel better about themselves. I guess it's the smart thing to do even, if you can't have it or be it, just hate it.

Nerd =/= intellectual.

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So far reading thru this thread I don't get the impression that you are really interested in the opinions of others on this subject. I am not really sure what your point was here. You say you're ok with intellectualism but you seem to hate all things intellectual. you are all about sensuality. um good for you.

So, why are you here? What are you gaining from being here? you are probably surrounded by one of the biggest groupings of nerds on the interwebs. If I didn't know better I'd say you were baiting a hook.

I can tell you that my opinions on people who don't appreciate the sciences philosophy and computers and who are big instead on sensuality and superficial appearances. are generally not very positive and I have a very hard time relating to them (or even desiring to try and bridge that gap)

Some would argue that debating things or even reading things on a forum/bulletin board which was based on meyers briggs personality types was one of the nerdiest things you could even begin to contemplate.

Is this perhaps a case of "physician heal thyself?"

No, and you're redefining nerd away from the mainstream cultural conception of the term by convalting it with intellectual. Intellectual ability and inclination have nothing to do with social akwardness, lack of fashion sense, and lack of apperciation for the sensual.

It's almost like you're giving us a Hobbe's choice between a) nerd and b) being an SFP.

Dru

02-11-2011, 10:20 AM

the "mainstream" idea of the term nerd is intertwined with intellectual pursuits, as a matter of fact. it's only the derogatory use of the term that is applied to 'undesirables'. just sayin'.

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come on fellas. let's see that confirmation bias at work.

eagleseven

02-11-2011, 10:28 AM

Nerd =/= intellectual.
The "nerds" you like referencing on Big Bang Theory are all Caltech science majors. There are no stupid Caltech science majors.

Blse

02-11-2011, 10:29 AM

Correct. Completely worthless as a statement about anything other than that specific form of media, but nevertheless correct.

This depiction has almost no basis in reality, and the media presenting it typically does not even attempt to portray otherwise. Go.

I can't help but notice that you have a habit of posting threads, then expecting others to interpret them in whatever warped manner is necessary for them to perceive you as correct. I don't see what "If you think really hard about it, you might be able to find some context in which my statement holds water" accomplishes.

Nope. I laid out a clear popular image that's part of contemporary culture. You can feel comfortable/uncomfortable with it, you can choose to disregard it as a "stereotype," you can hoose to excessively focus on the abitrary nature of social constructs. All of which fails to engage my statements, albeit expressing reasoned opinions.

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The "nerds" you like referencing on Big Bang Theory are all Caltech science majors. There are no stupid Caltech science majors.

That doesn't make every intellectual a nerd. Thus, it's wrong to convalte intelligence with being nerdy.

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the "mainstream" idea of the term nerd is intertwined with intellectual pursuits, as a matter of fact. it's only the derogatory use of the term that is applied to 'undesirables'. just sayin'.

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come on fellas. let's see that confirmation bias at work.

"Interwined" does not mean synonymous. Another word you can link to in the dictionary.

Dru

02-11-2011, 10:53 AM

you have effectively rendered your own argument regarding the correlation between "nerd" and "smelly dirty loser" impotent. that is, only as impotent as you were intending to render the correlation between "nerd" and "intelligent person of intelligence", seeing as they were built upon the same premise and all.

:nerd:

Aronnax

02-11-2011, 11:08 AM

I value stuff and want to be perceived as valuable. Therefore, I will propose that people who don't value the same stuff that I value are bad and less valuable than I am. I will wrap this argument in social norms and make my definitions vague to hide the fact that my proposition lacks structure or a logical foundation. I will make this statement in a social setting that will elicit a strong response so I can feel that I'm powerful enough to manipulate a group.

eagleseven

02-11-2011, 11:11 AM

That doesn't make every intellectual a nerd. Thus, it's wrong to convalte intelligence with being nerdy.
You are making only the negative traits of a TV stereotype the basis of your argument?

I'm not interested in discussing your imagination nor your television habits.

azelismia

02-11-2011, 11:58 AM

I would say just look at their dry, non-sesual hobbies. :idea: But that would start another semantic side show about the definition of a nerd, and why IT guys with no fashion and a bad hair cut aren't nerds, so I won't. :rolleyes:

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No, I don't. Have you read this thread?

Because my self esteem is so damaged that I have to hang around here with you nerds to make myself feel better ;)

Seriously though, there are people here who aren't nerds and, above all, I find it amusing.

Actually, by my definition everyone here is a nerd/geek/dork. I have read this thread end to end and you have not impressed me with any intellectualism seeping forth beneath your sensuality and sensing mores.

You have impressed me with your utter disdain for anything that requires thinking and your excuse of hating "nerds" to excuse you from that and still attempt to retain the title of intellectual when really, you are just not.

Part of what you hate is bad hygene and you use big bang theory as your example of bad nerds in general. Where exactly is the bad hygiene? the nerdiest one of all on there is one of the most fastidious beings on the planet.

As far as your comment as to giving choice between Nerd and SFP. that's your doing.

You are somehow trying to tell us all that if a person doesn't give utmost respect to SF type Values, then we are beneath your respect.

You also are ragging on many intellectual hobbies and past times as well as actual fields of studies. That is something a true "intellectual" would never do. Intellectuals are intelligent enough to give respect to all of the various intellectual pursuits even if they are not pursuits that interest them specifically as each area of study affects all the other areas of study in one way or another. The thing they all have in common is decoding and understanding the world around us. you do not get that understanding from fashionable clothes and waxed eyebrows or sensual pursuits.

it's people who are trying to find a justification for their own deficiencies who do something like that..

oh quick, Over there, it's the stinky nerd person who likes math!!! (Sure hope he doesn't notice that man behind the curtain)

Really, you aren't fooling anyone.

Oh, I just saw something else. you just stated being intelligent doesn't necessarily equal being nerdy. this makes me think from other things you wrote that you are mistaking intellectual for intelligent? Is this so? They are not the same thing you know. there are smart SF's out there. I'll give you that. but being intelligent does not mean you are an intellectual.

Really, let's get back to the point here. What was the real motivation for this thread? You baited a hook then you dangled it.. Why. What were you hoping to gain from this.

Philanthropist

02-12-2011, 08:11 AM

You also are ragging on many intellectual hobbies and past times as well as actual fields of studies.

You mean like the noble, intellectual pursuits of Star Wars, gaming and reading comic books?

eagleseven

02-12-2011, 09:43 AM

You mean like the noble, intellectual pursuits of Star Wars, gaming and reading comic books?
They ought to be watching Jersey Shore with all of the cool kids, right?

Daes

02-12-2011, 10:15 AM

Nerd is a very subjective term. What definition are you using?

Dru

02-12-2011, 10:30 AM

"smelly losers".

azelismia

02-12-2011, 02:10 PM

You mean like the noble, intellectual pursuits of Star Wars, gaming and reading comic books?

but, waxing and picking out fashionable clothes and being all sensual and junk are more intellectual??????

you left out doing the maths and messing with computers just because they love the technology.

and yeah, some of those games I would call intellectual. in example, Starcraft is a strategy game. You have to exercise the noggin to win. Some games have the side effect of helping to stay mentally sharp. unlike, being all fashionable and junk.

You still have not answered my question about what exactly you were hoping to achieve with this thread. Because it clearly wasn't looking for opinions on that matter. I know it must be difficult for you to exercise your brain on that level but I am sure if you really concentrate you can find an answer. I am also not sure why you are even in this forum as you seem to hate everything the people here stand for. I am pretty sure if you did a poll the number of people that would put fashion and eyebrow waxing above the sciences and gaming would be almost null.

Kisai

02-12-2011, 02:29 PM

They ought to be watching Jersey Shore with all of the cool kids, right?

Or hanging out in sports bars screaming at football or NASCAR.

Uriel

02-12-2011, 04:05 PM

Nerds are the ones who are able to focus and build on the pathway to the future with computers and chemicals and other such things I myself can't find the interest or passion on.

I do share a similar trait with them in that they use their imagination.

I approve of them very much.

Zsych

02-12-2011, 04:26 PM

Blse

02-12-2011, 06:47 PM

Or hanging out in sports bars screaming at football or NASCAR.

Or playing Bach and Schumann on the piano like my fiance, the OP, does.

InfiniteLoop

02-12-2011, 06:52 PM

Really, the social torture is mostly based on looks. Good looking nerds (especially the girl ones) don't get picked on except by dumber jealous girls.

That good sir is a lie. I'm a good-looking female nerd and school was HELL for me.

I think the obsessive ones are weird, and the interesting ones are fascinating. And I say this, again, as a nerd myself. ^^

eagleseven

02-12-2011, 06:56 PM

Or playing Bach and Schumann on the piano like my fiance, the OP, does.
F*cking music nerds.

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Blse

02-12-2011, 06:57 PM

Nerd is a very subjective term. What definition are you using?

Social akwardness, low value placed on the aeshetic value of their surrounding, and lacking sensual engagement with the outside world.

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but, waxing and picking out fashionable clothes and being all sensual and junk are more intellectual??????

Not the point she was making. She was saying that nerdy hobbies can't be made out to be superior to others.

you left out doing the maths and messing with computers just because they love the technology.

That part is intellectual, but still somewhat nerdy. The over-arching point here is that intellectual pursuits are not be convlated with being nerdy.

Have a look at this video (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), it's a great example of what's nerdy despite being an exaggeration. Tone it down and you will find that the awkward character is not representative of all intellectuals.

and yeah, some of those games I would call intellectual. in example, Starcraft is a strategy game. You have to exercise the noggin to win. Some games have the side effect of helping to stay mentally sharp. unlike, being all fashionable and junk.

Fashion does excercise the noodle a bit actually, but the above is besides the point.

You still have not answered my question about what exactly you were hoping to achieve with this thread. Because it clearly wasn't looking for opinions on that matter. I know it must be difficult for you to exercise your brain on that level but I am sure if you really concentrate you can find an answer. I am also not sure why you are even in this forum as you seem to hate everything the people here stand for. I am pretty sure if you did a poll the number of people that would put fashion and eyebrow waxing above the sciences and gaming would be almost null.

Entertainment.

This forum is good for interesting, substantial discussion; advice on everyday issues; general conversation that includes civil argument for sport (like this thread); and humor in the Lounge.

It is rather suprising that NTs would be foreign to the idea of contentious but civil argument for sport.

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F*cking music nerds.

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Classical and romantic era music is typically associated with high-brow culture (think chandaliers and cocktail dresses) and not nerdiness - think Fraiser, not Big Bang Theory.

Aronnax

02-12-2011, 07:06 PM

Fraiser was a nerd, he was socially awkward, a romantic failure and lived with his dad.

panantukan

02-12-2011, 07:09 PM

I find them to be annoying, low value, and passive aggressive and most of them aren't even smart

Blse

02-12-2011, 07:13 PM

Fraiser was a nerd, he was socially awkward, a romantic failure and lived with his dad.

That was more Niles. Fraiser was pompous but not socially akward. He was quite affluent and had his dad live with him because he didn't want to move into a home (quite different from Howard on the Big Bang Theory). He was never able to establish a good LTR but had no trouble getting dates and lady-friends. Furthermore, he placed immense value on cothes, interior decorating and fancy vacations. Quite a far cry from the guy hunched over his computer in his mom's basement cursing all the girls that rejected him (Howard comes to mind). Fraiser is mainly a good natured snob, while Niles is a nerdy snob.

eagleseven

02-12-2011, 07:16 PM

Classical and romantic era music is typically associated with high-brow culture (think chandaliers and cocktail dresses) and not nerdiness - think Fraiser, not Big Bang Theory.
Congratulations, your life is a television sitcom.

I dated a Chemical Engineer/Concert Pianist who played Counterstrike (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) in his freetime. Classical music is most certainly a nerd hobby.

Blse

02-12-2011, 07:21 PM

Congratulations, your life is a television sitcom.

I dated a Chemical Engineer/Concert Pianist who played Counterstrike (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) in his freetime. Classical music is most certainly a nerd hobby.

You do realize that TV is relevant in a discussion about social labels and cultural conceptions.

That said, I disagree about music. We have a label for artsy people, it's "artsy." Some people are artsy and nerdy, but the two are different labels.

Now let me ask you this, why are you so keen on defining the label nerd as something positive?

eagleseven

02-12-2011, 07:27 PM

You do realize that TV is relevant in a discussion about social labels and cultural conceptions.

That said, I disagree about music. We have a label for artsy people, it's "artsy." Some people are artsy and nerdy, but the two are different labels.
The 4chan term is artfag, (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) while we are discussing labels.

Now let me ask you this, why are you so keen on defining the label nerd as something positive?
Because I'm tired of people, like yourself, looking down upon others you obviously know nothing about, save what you see on a television show.

Antares

02-12-2011, 07:43 PM

Classical and romantic era music is typically associated with high-brow culture (think chandaliers and cocktail dresses) and not nerdiness - think Fraiser, not Big Bang Theory.
There is no such thing as "high-brow culture". You will find those who are interested in high arts are usually people of modest incomes and modest lifestyles. How much did you think kings, nobility and princes understood classical music? Those kings who famously fell asleep at a Haydn symphony? Chatting with his guests at a Beethoven recital? Like them, I find such behavior frankly insulting to the high art that is classical music. They hire classical musicians because it's "high art", so to distinguish between themselves and the vulgar masses, not because they appreciate it. I live in the enormous wealth of my parents, yet I don't wear cocktail dresses and I find my parents' Swarovski chandeliers excessive. I bet I know more about and listen to more classical music than Prince William does. I bet he never played in the Sydney Opera House at age 14.

Arts is definitely a nerdy pursuit, not a snobbish one. What is snobbish? Luxury watches. Luxury cars. Diamond-studded USBs, which a classmate owns, and people who pursue high arts and literature just to appear "classy" (she downloaded "100 most famous classical music" just to be able to claim she "knows" it. She doesn't understand shit, because every music enthusiast knows this isn't how you approach classical music). Genuine passion is not snobbish or "high", and is rightly nerdy. Why are you so keen on defining the label nerd as something negative?

Nerd is a very subjective term. What definition are you using?
Losers dressed in rags whose only consolation is that he's "smarter" than your average "prep", and so to pursue esoteric shit and not associate with people and lack the capability to do so, instead terrorizing and humiliating them with his jargon.

Blse

02-12-2011, 08:27 PM

There is no such thing as "high-brow culture". You will find those who are interested in high arts are usually people of modest incomes and modest lifestyles. How much did you think kings, nobility and princes understood classical music? Those kings who famously fell asleep at a Haydn symphony? Chatting with his guests at a Beethoven recital? Like them, I find such behavior frankly insulting to the high art that is classical music. They hire classical musicians because it's "high art", so to distinguish between themselves and the vulgar masses, not because they appreciate it. I live in the enormous wealth of my parents, yet I don't wear cocktail dresses and I find my parents' Swarovski chandeliers excessive. I bet I know more about and listen to more classical music than Prince William does. I bet he never played in the Sydney Opera House at age 14.

We're talking about social labels, "high-brow" culture being one of them. This label, in turn, is associate with people who are either cultured or of higher socio-economic status (upper middle class people with graduate degrees are a hell of a lot more likely to apperciate these things than blue collar works, although there are of course expections - but they're a minority).

Arts is definitely a nerdy pursuit, not a snobbish one. What is snobbish? Luxury watches. Luxury cars. Diamond-studded USBs, which a classmate owns, and people who pursue high arts and literature just to appear "classy" (she downloaded "100 most famous classical music" just to be able to claim she "knows" it.

Now, why do you suppose such pretense exsists? Why did she pursue artsy interests to appear classy?

Because they are perceive as classy. Your story here is making my point precisely! People pretend to know and apperciate things such as the "high" arts because they are seen as high-status!

A wannabe social climber won't feign interest in a nerdy or low-status hobby, like collecting action figures. No, they will feign interest in something that's seen as classy and "high-brow," like the arts.

She doesn't understand shit, because every music enthusiast knows this isn't how you approach classical music). Genuine passion is not snobbish or "high", and is rightly nerdy.

So all intense passion is nerdy? I don't think so.

Why are you so keen on defining the label nerd as something negative?

Because the term does carry social stigma. Nerds are presented as akward in regards to their clothes, residences' decoration, social lifes, posture, etc... Look at the stereotypes the media uses to represent the term "nerd."

Now we can broaden our definition since this is a social construct afterall. But if we call all intellectualism and passion "nerdy," we end up with a completely different animal. At that point you are no longer using the term nerd as it is commonly used and presented in the media. In which, case the purpose of a social label is lost.

What is curious is why so many people in this thread are so keen on changing the term "nerd" from what we see on TV and the media to something far more positive. Most people in here who are disagreeing with my fiance and I, are using the term far more liberally than the media usually does. They pick the respected character traits, like intellect and creativity, while omitting the stigmatized ones, like social akwardness and lack of fashion sense. Brings to question, why they don't just pick another social label or abstain from applying any label to themselves.

Losers dressed in rags whose only consolation is that he's "smarter" than your average "prep", and so to pursue esoteric shit and not associate with people and lack the capability to do so, instead terrorizing and humiliating them with his jargon.

In other words, the definition the media and pop culture, reflective of common opinion on what is a social label.

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The 4chan term is artfag, (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) while we are discussing labels.

4chan?

Because I'm tired of people, like yourself, looking down upon others you obviously know nothing about, save what you see on a television show.

It's a social label! It's not something you can objectively prove or disprove. It doesn't exsist outside of media and pop-culture. No person is actually a "prep" or "nerd" or "goth." These are just labels. You cannot take these labels out of their social contexts since they only exsists within that social context.

How do you get the idea that people are looking down on you?

eagleseven

02-12-2011, 08:39 PM

What is curious is why so many people in this thread are so keen on changing the term "nerd" from what we see on TV and the media to something far more positive. Most people in here who are disagreeing with my fiance and I, are using the term far more liberally than the media usually does. They pick the respected character traits, like intellect and creativity, while omitting the stigmatized ones, like social akwardness and lack of fashion sense. Brings to question, why they don't just pick another social label or abstain from applying any label to themselves.
Unlike you and your fiance, most people on this forum do not let mass media define their culture...hence why they are on an extremely niche forum.

When you and your fiance start throwing negative mass media stereotypes at members who clearly enjoy the stereotyped hobbies (just look at the entertainment subforum), you're going to piss people off.

You don't walk into a gay bar and ask "What do you guys think about flaming faggots?"

azelismia

02-12-2011, 08:43 PM

Unlike you and your fiance, most people on this forum do not let mass media define their culture...hence why they are on an extremely niche forum.

When you and your fiance start throwing negative mass media stereotypes at members who clearly enjoy the stereotyped hobbies (just look at the entertainment subforum), you're going to piss people off.

You don't walk into a gay bar and ask "What do you guys think about flaming faggots?"

@ Eagle, I wouldn't be so sure they wouldn't do that. That they even posted a thread like this in a forum such as this proves they are subject to the same brand of social awkwardness that they so despise. Sometimes what we see in ourselves fills us with more ire than anything else ever could conspire to do.

I remember when I first read Northanger abbey by Jane Austen the naivety of the heroine made me want to shred the book. Years later I re-read it and quite loved it. In hindsight I could see that the heroine was a little too close to me or where I had been recently for comfort and it my own failings angered me and enraged me to see in others.

nolabel

02-12-2011, 08:50 PM

Nerds on TV (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Even the media is not limited to a specific kind of nerd. The world is changing.

Philanthropist

02-13-2011, 03:20 AM

@ Eagle, I wouldn't be so sure they wouldn't do that. That they even posted a thread like this in a forum such as this proves they are subject to the same brand of social awkwardness that they so despise. Sometimes what we see in ourselves fills us with more ire than anything else ever could conspire to do.

You suppose we're trying to impress you with social graces now?

Antares

02-13-2011, 04:14 AM

You suppose we're trying to impress you with social graces now?

Not really. I suppose your intent was to express your intense disdain for a certain mass-media based stereotype which may not even be real. I've met one such person in real life that conforms to what's shown in sitcoms, and it's not even a good fit. He doesn't like anime, doesn't play video games, doesn't stink, isn't socially awkward, isn't self conscious, doesn't latch onto girls and dresses professionally. Any alternative definition is immediately shot down, and you don't seem to want discourse, but agreement. There is no intellectual content in this thread.

Philanthropist

02-13-2011, 05:05 AM

Not really. I suppose your intent was to express your intense disdain for a certain mass-media based stereotype which may not even be real.

So then, why not respond to the OP with 'I don't believe that nerds, at least as you describe them, exist in real life'? Why respond with a monologue about how our opinion of what constitutes a nerd is flawed? This is how we see things, and for the purposes of this thread you've been provided with a more than adequate definition and description of a nerd.

Other than that, whatever else you might think is irrelevant to the topic at hand. I asked for opinions on nerds, as described by me. Not a debate about what defines a nerd.

Antares

02-13-2011, 05:24 AM

So then, why not respond to the OP with 'I don't believe that nerds, at least as you describe them, exist in real life'? Why respond with a monologue about how our opinion of what constitutes a nerd is flawed? This is how we see things, and for the purposes of this thread you've been provided with a more than adequate definition and description of a nerd.

Other than that, whatever else you might think is irrelevant to the topic at hand. I asked for opinions on nerds, as described by me. Not a debate about what defines a nerd.

Because many people self describe as nerds, and this is a free forum, thus anyone has a right to dispute your definition of nerds. We don't discuss things here your way; we do it however we like. If you don't like the way we do it, knowing you were going to get these replies anyway, why did you post this thread? Your opinion of what constitutes a nerd is flawed precisely because hardly anyone exists as you define it. What you're doing is like asking "what do you think of those intellectually stuck-up Asians?" as portrayed by popular stereotype, and then proceed to balk when told that most Asians, like all other ethnicities, are neither intellectual nor stuck-up. And then you would reply with "only Asians as we/popular culture define it". You can replace this example with any group and largely inapplicable description; goths, emo, preps, jocks, African Amerians, Jews, Germans, etc.

Uriel

02-13-2011, 08:14 AM

Nerd: "You don't know what YENCOWANES stands for?! Wow!"

Perhaps it was just the nerd's way of claiming a deluded sense of intellectual superiority?

Perhaps it was merely sarcasm?

That kind of behavior shows that even nerds can exhibit presumptuousness and superiority complexes as a sort of defense mechanism from the negative stereotypes that have been clearly showcased in this thread. Am I right in assuming that the creation of this thread showcasing the negative, shallow stereotypes of nerds, while at the same time, stating seemingly polar opposite and "socially graceful" behavior and hobbies is an attempt to incite disdain towards nerds and to create the same deluded sense of superiority that the nerd had exhibited in the first place?

This would show that both parties lack a sense of understanding, acceptance, maturity and class.
None of these are attained shallowly through such things as hobbies, hygiene and modes of dress.

Blse

02-13-2011, 08:36 AM

Unlike you and your fiance, most people on this forum do not let mass media define their culture...hence why they are on an extremely niche forum.

When you and your fiance start throwing negative mass media stereotypes at members who clearly enjoy the stereotyped hobbies (just look at the entertainment subforum), you're going to piss people off.

But that is all a "nerd" is! A stereotype. It's nothing else. It's not something that exsists outside of a social context, like blonde hair. A person can actually have blonde hair. They cannot, however, be a nerd in the same sense. Thus trying to "correct" perceptions of what constitutes a nerd are nonsensical.

You don't walk into a gay bar and ask "What do you guys think about flaming faggots?"

What is said homosexual pride themselves in being rational and open-minded. Shouldn't they be willing to engage the statement?

IotaNull

02-13-2011, 11:21 AM

What is said homosexual pride themselves in being rational and open-minded. Shouldn't they be willing to engage the statement?

What is there to engage?

If I said "Haha, you're a [insert meaningless derogatory term here]", it's absurd to expect you to respond to this in an intellectual manner.

Opressoliber

02-13-2011, 11:22 AM

What is said homosexual pride themselves in being rational and open-minded. Shouldn't they be willing to engage the statement?

Try it, and come tell us what happened afterward!:cheesy:

Can you attach photos of you and your fiancee afterward? I'm sure the bouncers will be more than happy to have someone scream "flaming faggots" in their bar!!!!:)

ambrosia

02-13-2011, 11:41 AM

My opinion of nerds is very high since I am one. I just see it as someone that is passionate about seeking knowledge. There is a distinction between sexy nerd and gawly social retard nerd.

Sexy; Shawn fanning, House (fictional, but still), Obama

Other; typical, lives at home, shut in nerd. Passionate about WoW and star wars

einsteinette

02-13-2011, 12:15 PM

Some people here are confusing nerds with geeks ... I'm kinda nerd and i really like being a nerd and nerds ...

Daes

02-13-2011, 12:19 PM

Social akwardness, low value placed on the aeshetic value of their surrounding, and lacking sensual engagement with the outside world.

I can kind of feel sorry for some of these people. Mostly the kind that say stupid things, annoy other people, and grate on the nerves of everyone they talk to without even knowing it.

However, the most of them are well aware of their socially undesirable traits and don't care, in which case they bring on their social problems themselves.

Opressoliber

02-13-2011, 01:08 PM

Or playing Bach and Schumann on the piano like my fiance, the OP, does.

Oooooh, so impressive,do you want a cookie?:laugh:

Man,that's nothing, I've seen kids and teenagers play that shit.

Blse

02-13-2011, 06:33 PM

Oooooh, so impressive,do you want a cookie?:laugh:

Man,that's nothing, I've seen kids and teenagers play that shit.

Well, it is harder than using the space bar (the big, long button at the bottom of your keyboard) apperantly.

That said, she actually did start playing before attending primary school. Of course it's about the development of quality as we age... then again, you may be under the impression that there is no difference between Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, and a boy with his Legos.

Either way, it's not nerdy but artsy.

eagleseven

02-13-2011, 06:49 PM

But that is all a "nerd" is! A stereotype. It's nothing else. It's not something that exsists outside of a social context, like blonde hair. A person can actually have blonde hair. They cannot, however, be a nerd in the same sense. Thus trying to "correct" perceptions of what constitutes a nerd are nonsensical.
You fail to realize that 'nerd' has a social context outside of your television. How you have thousands of posts on this nerd-filled forum and still fail to realize this baffles me.

What is said homosexual pride themselves in being rational and open-minded. Shouldn't they be willing to engage the statement?
They'll engage you all right...engage you into the hospital. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Blse

02-13-2011, 06:58 PM

You fail to realize that 'nerd' has a social context outside of your television. How you have thousands of posts on this nerd-filled forum and still fail to realize this baffles me.

mmm... so you're saying there in alternate definition of nerd that is used by people who self-ID as such. In that case, I have to decide whether I should I use the more common definition, presented in mass media, or the less common one used by a group of self-IDed nerds. Either seems valid, but for the purposes of this thread, I'm sticking with the larger more common definition this thread has started with.

The negative reaction is funny though since many people on this forum profess to being fellow NT instigators... I'd have expected thicker skin to be perfectly honest.

eagleseven

02-13-2011, 07:08 PM

mmm... so you're saying there in alternate definition of nerd that is used by people who self-ID as such. In that case, I have to decide whether I should I use the more common definition, presented in mass media, or the less common one used by a group of self-IDed nerds. Either seems valid, but for the purposes of this thread, I'm sticking with the larger more common definition this thread has started with.
Beacause...

A. You think mass-media determines our culture?

B. You think the mass media stereotype is more common because it is the only one you know, and you can't possibly be ignorant of an issue?

Which is it?

The negative reaction is funny though since many people on this forum profess to being fellow NT instigators... I'd have expected thicker skin to be perfectly honest.
You are surprised that NTs tore into your smug ignorance of their culture?

Tyrant Soup

02-13-2011, 07:13 PM

Now we can broaden our definition since this is a social construct afterall. But if we call all intellectualism and passion "nerdy," we end up with a completely different animal. At that point you are no longer using the term nerd as it is commonly used and presented in the media. In which, case the purpose of a social label is lost.

You keep insisting that others are changing the term when it is you who is doing so. The public tend to apply the label on anyone who cares more about intellectual pursuits than popular culture.

What is curious is why so many people in this thread are so keen on changing the term "nerd" from what we see on TV and the media to something far more positive.

The media does not reflect reality. It plays into and reinforces very negative stereotypes about the entire group.

One of my meet-up groups has many socially awkward nerds. Not a single one of them matches most of the criteria in the OP's list, nor do they look or act like the dude in the condescending music video you posted.

Blse

02-13-2011, 08:16 PM

You are surprised that NTs tore into your smug ignorance of their culture?

Excuse me? "Their?" Speak for yourself.

You keep insisting that others are changing the term when it is you who is doing so. The public tend to apply the label on anyone who cares more about intellectual pursuits than popular culture.

Actually they're an equal opportunity "labeler."

The media does not reflect reality. It plays into and reinforces very negative stereotypes about the entire group.

It does reflect social reality.

One of my meet-up groups has many socially awkward nerds. Not a single one of them matches most of the criteria in the OP's list, nor do they look or act like the dude in the condescending music video you posted.

Well, they share the social awkwardness.

Beacause...

A. You think mass-media determines our culture?

It doesn't?

B. You think the mass media stereotype is more common because it is the only one you know, and you can't possibly be ignorant of an issue?

It is more common as evident in the "mass" in mass media.

mieu

02-13-2011, 08:18 PM

They're delicious but sometimes if I put too many in my mouth at one time the intensity of the flavor hurts my teeth. Great as an ice cream topping.

Philanthropist

02-13-2011, 08:23 PM

Oooooh, so impressive,do you want a cookie?:laugh:

Man,that's nothing, I've seen kids and teenagers play that shit.

Yeah, just like Final Fantasy right?

However, unlike Final Fantasy music actually takes a high level of sensitivity and careful interpretation to play properly. Not that you know what you're talking about.

Edit: That's like saying 'Oh, I've seen kids draw or paint'. Doesn't exactly make them Van Gogh, does it? Of course there is a simple form of every art that kids can do.

Never mind, just thought I'd add another example of how you have an exceptionally poor understanding of art. And we have more proof for the lack of sensuality among nerds. So thank you for your assistance with making our point ;).

Amphorian

02-13-2011, 08:36 PM

And we have more proof for the lack of sensuality among nerds.

Nevermind that I'm a nerd and an artist; and ya know a sensor. :blank:

Glathannus

02-13-2011, 08:41 PM

This is one of many topics which could be renamed to:
"What is your opinion on the 0.5% of the population, whose posterchild characteristics I attribute to a wider and more diverse demographic?".

nolabel

02-13-2011, 08:45 PM

Nevermind that I'm a nerd and an artist; and ya know a sensor. :blank:

In this thread, your view on labels are wrong.

The negative reaction is funny though since many people on this forum profess to being fellow NT instigators... I'd have expected thicker skin to be perfectly honest.

I think they reacted negatively because of the ignorance and narrow-mindedness of the thread and not because you had hurt their feelings.

Amphorian

02-13-2011, 08:46 PM

In this thread, your view on labels are wrong.

Damn, I thought my views on stereotypes were wrong, not labels. Someone should really send out some memos. :sulk:

eagleseven

02-13-2011, 10:22 PM

It doesn't?
Not since a little thing called the internet was developed.

It is more common as evident in the "mass" in mass media.
Mass media controlled culture forty years ago. Times have changed.

Mass media is dying.

Excuse me? "Their?" Speak for yourself.
That's rich. You presume to speak for our entire bloody society.

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Never mind, just thought I'd add another example of how you have an exceptionally poor understanding of art. And we have more proof for the lack of sensuality among nerds. So thank you for your assistance with making our point ;).
And now we have proof of your purpose in making this thread...principally stroking your ego through attacking a subculture you don't like.

freeeekyyy

02-13-2011, 10:50 PM

froyo

02-13-2011, 11:26 PM

Well I've only read the first few posts.
It really does depend on how you define a nerd. I love video games and computers. Sometimes I play ridiculous amounts of them. By best class in college by far is computer science but, despite all that, I don't know if I can really consider myself a nerd... The way I act isn't very stereotypically nerdy. I certainly wouldn't get into any debate on who the best enterprise captain is either.

Philanthropist

02-14-2011, 03:41 AM

Intelligence is great, but nerds kind of annoy me. I have a lot of interests in common with many nerds, but the difference is, nerds are obsessed with those things. I like star trek, for instance, but I would never get in a debate about who the best enterprise captain is. The problem with nerds is they're so...nerdy.

I guess it comes down to how nerd is being defined. Intelligent, interested in the sciences, nothing wrong with that. Being obsessive and weird? Yeah. Note that a person can be a nerd about pretty much anything, even sports.

If I could select a winner, this post would be it.

A+ for question comprehension.

A+ for answering in a sensible, mature way.

A+ for not word twisting to create other, non-existant meanings.

;)

But I suppose when you don't look like this

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it's easier to stay calm when someone says they don't like nerds.

nolabel

02-14-2011, 03:58 AM

EDIT:
^Nice edit. You added a bit of maturity.

I guess it comes down to how nerd is being defined.

How could anyone else not had thought of this?

Amphorian

02-14-2011, 04:32 AM

A+ for not word twisting to create other, non-existant meanings.

Non-existent? There are other meanings then the one you're using weither you like it or not. Heck people have linked to them even. You're going have to live with that little fact of life, instead of 'grade' posts that align with yours, ignoring others that refute your point or jumping on those that you believe you might have a chance against (despite the fact many of your replies are riddled with fallacies).

Philanthropist

02-14-2011, 05:32 AM

.......nonsense..........

fallacies).

C- for constant over use of the terms/s 'fallacy/ies'. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Dru

02-14-2011, 08:06 AM

A++ for correcting people for the same mistakes you make. props to your squeeze, too.

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If I could select a winner, this post would be it.

A+ for question comprehension.

A+ for answering in a sensible, mature way.

A+ for not word twisting to create other, non-existant meanings.

;)

But I suppose when you don't look like this

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it's easier to stay calm when someone says they don't like nerds.

but teacher, when a poster who wasn't agreeing with you said that nerds are more than just smelly unpopular people, your fiance jumped on the whole "we're not defining the word that way/we never said that/you're taking things out of context" bandwagon??? :(

"i can't relate to them since the usually smell bad".

in case you need reminding about what you actually said.

Opressoliber

02-14-2011, 12:28 PM

Well, it is harder than using the space bar (the big, long button at the bottom of your keyboard) apperantly.

That said, she actually did start playing before attending primary school. Of course it's about the development of quality as we age... then again, you may be under the impression that there is no difference between Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, and a boy with his Legos.

Either way, it's not nerdy but artsy.

I know one thing. There's a proverb in Asia:

An empty bucket makes a lot of noise.

In other words, if you and your wife have to come in tag team on the internet to brag about her playing skills, that means she plays like crap.:laugh:

Amphorian

02-14-2011, 12:33 PM

C- for constant over use of the terms/s 'fallacy/ies'.

That fact is Blse and you do make them constantly, and I will continue merely using the word fallacy instead of addressing each one by name because of the shear amount given. Also yet again you have avoided actually addressing valid points.

Opressoliber

02-14-2011, 04:10 PM

Wow, honest humor is not appreciated! Yo Blse, artist guy, make a post on how shortness is the essence of wit. Too bad, I am sure the ''artsy''(:cheesy:) couple would have appreciated the humor, but oh well.:)

Hmmm.... how can I say this without being offensive yet conserving the essence of my message?

aristos achaion

02-14-2011, 04:56 PM

I'm curious to see how people here view nerds. I for one find them difficult to relate to, especially since they usually have the appearance of having poor hygiene. :yuck:I also hate the way they use weird jargon all the time and use ten letter abbreviations for whatever computer program they're currently in love with. E.g. 'You don't know what YENCOWANES stands for?! Wow!' :nerd:

I'd likely be biased against anyone who didn't identify as a nerd. And, honestly, not all of us have poor hygiene...that's just a stereotype. I'm also a geek of several persuasions (and a "geek" in the general sense) and, at times, a bit dorkish. But I still identify as a nerd as well...it's just a culture thing.

Classical and romantic era music is typically associated with high-brow culture (think chandaliers and cocktail dresses) and not nerdiness - think Fraiser, not Big Bang Theory.

Big Bang Theory primarily deals with geeks, not nerds. I'm a music nerd myself...I've got volumes of musicological writing on Bach's performance practice, and I could write you a short book on what interpretive choices I agree and disagree with in each of my seven or eight recordings of the Mass in b Minor. You'll find that many nerds are high-brow and cultured, they're just quite bookish about it.

Oh, and Bach is Baroque, not Classical or Romantic.

eagleseven

02-14-2011, 06:41 PM

Big Bang Theory primarily deals with geeks, not nerds. I'm a music nerd myself...I've got volumes of musicological writing on Bach's performance practice, and I could write you a short book on what interpretive choices I agree and disagree with in each of my seven or eight recordings of the Mass in b Minor. You'll find that many nerds are high-brow and cultured, they're just quite bookish about it.

Oh, and Bach is Baroque, not Classical or Romantic.
You are going to give the OP a stroke...not nice!

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This guy (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is a music nerd...he plays video-game and anime music on his violin by ear. Quite good, too.

Frog

02-15-2011, 01:03 AM

Generalizations and stereotypes rampant in this thread. But I guess I'll play along.

Nerds, much like you and I, have made a choice in how they want to live their life and how they want to be viewed. If they don't care about their physical appearance or personal hygiene, it's obvious they don't want to be seen as a physically attractive person and are living their life according to what they see important. In that sense, they are accomplished people, and possibly much happier than most of us.

That said, if you do care about physical appearance, that's your choice of life, and that comes with very different goals and milestones for happiness. If you are achieving those, and are truly happy, then you are also a very accomplished person.

It's naive to think everyone should have the same motivations and priorities as you do. Different people have different goals in life and there's no way of living that's better than another.

If I could select a winner, this post would be it.

A+ for question comprehension.

A+ for answering in a sensible, mature way.

A+ for not word twisting to create other, non-existant meanings.

So the best post in the thread is one that agrees with yours, without any sound logical basis to support their argument? Interesting.

Philanthropist

02-15-2011, 02:45 AM

It's naive to think everyone should have the same motivations and priorities as you do.

I don't. I never said anywhere that I thought they did. But that doesn't mean I have to like everyone.

So the best post in the thread is one that agrees with yours, without any sound logical basis to support their argument? Interesting.

He's possibly the only one that actually answered the question in a straightforward manner, without digressing into a rant about why nerds aren't really nerds or why they're superior.

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So, now that we're on page 8 of the 'what do you think of nerds' thread, who wants to compare the responses with this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) thread? Tell me what differences you find.........

Amphorian

02-15-2011, 04:19 AM

So, now that we're on page 8 of the 'what do you think of nerds' thread, who wants to compare the responses with this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) thread? Tell me what differences you find.........

I find I never replied to that thread with good reason (I did read the first few pages of it). I don't have opinions really on different cliques since many people fall under numerous different labels, and pigeon holing people has never been my cup of tea. Interesting though you brought that thread up because I long forgot about it. And if you notice, I haven't ever answered the actual the question about nerds in this thread at all (I only really expressed surprise at Blse for not hearing of WoW, and you mentioning 'non-existent' [which gave me a "Huh? What?" moment]). I held back beyond, "I'm an artist and nerd" because I clearly remember you mentioning that you're glad Blse gets your geekiness...

Though I responded in kind considering I know you two enjoy stirring up opinions but now I get why you weren't addressing certain points this time around. *shrugs* I'll applaud you for this one that's for sure.

aristos achaion

02-15-2011, 09:46 AM

So the best post in the thread is one that agrees with yours, without any sound logical basis to support their argument? Interesting.

But don't you know that arguing with a sound logical basis is nerdy? All the cool kids just accept the most widely held opinion out of fear of social ostracism! C'mon, get with it! :cool:

And, obviously, debate over the best Star Trek captain must be totally pointless and geeky, since Picard just wins that hard. ;)

So, now that we're on page 8 of the 'what do you think of nerds' thread, who wants to compare the responses with this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) thread? Tell me what differences you find.........

Hipsters conform to social expectations in hope of social acceptance. I.e., they're "hip". Nerds defy social expectations to do what they really want to do, and, in doing so, sometimes define social expectations and gain social acceptance. INxJ's seem to like nerds and dislike hipsters...the result you're pointing to is the one you'd expect from first principles.

Frog

02-15-2011, 12:06 PM

But don't you know that arguing with a sound logical basis is nerdy? All the cool kids just accept the most widely held opinion out of fear of social ostracism! C'mon, get with it! :cool:

Aw, damn external social order! Got me again.

nolabel

02-15-2011, 01:14 PM

He's possibly the only one that actually answered the question in a straightforward manner, without digressing into a rant about why nerds aren't really nerds or why they're superior.

I don't think anyone here had said that nerds are superior. Although even if someone did, he/she still answered the question "What is your opinion on nerds?"

I'm curious to see how people here view nerds.

catzmeow

02-15-2011, 01:27 PM

I think I'm going to shag the hell out of my hot, sexy, INTJ nerd this evening. :D

azelismia

02-15-2011, 02:45 PM

There is a huge difference in the tone of that thread to this one. you started this thread with negative tones regarding the subject matter. It was clear from your language you were looking for confirmation not actual opinions. The other thread started with a non-biased view point.

Opressoliber

02-15-2011, 04:23 PM

I don't. I never said anywhere that I thought they did. But that doesn't mean I have to like everyone.
The cool thing is that no one has to like you either...:cool:

He's possibly the only one that actually answered the question in a straightforward manner, without digressing into a rant about why nerds aren't really nerds or why they're superior.

Had you said that where I grew up, you would have been lucky only to have gotten away with it with a bruised ego, especially since your white knight is the "artsy" type.More than one starcraft players with athletic friends and who are no slouch themselves.

:laugh:

For a person with lots of social skills,you sure are unaware of what constitutes an insult.

Tyrant Soup

02-15-2011, 10:13 PM

He's possibly the only one that actually answered the question in a straightforward manner, without digressing into a rant about why nerds aren't really nerds or why they're superior.

If you posted a very negative stereotype of a black person and then asked what everyone thought of black people, don't you think it would be poorly received?

Also, whether it was your intention or not, you subsequently created the impression that you wanted to tell everyone how cool and hip you and your fiance was compared to other intellectuals.

That is why very few played by your rules.

Philanthropist

02-16-2011, 01:35 AM

I think I'm going to shag the hell out of my hot, sexy, INTJ nerd this evening. :D

TMI, really, TMI :yuck: :yuck: :yuck:.

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There is a huge difference in the tone of that thread to this one. you started this thread with negative tones regarding the subject matter. It was clear from your language you were looking for confirmation not actual opinions. The other thread started with a non-biased view point.

So what? The hipster thread contained many, many negative stereotypes about hipsters regardless of what the OP said. You know the saying, you can't take it don't give it.

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Had you said that where I grew up, you would have been lucky only to have gotten away with it with a bruised ego, especially since your white knight is the "artsy" type.More than one starcraft players with athletic friends and who are no slouch themselves.

Oh that's right, I forgot it was socially acceptable for men to beat women in Asia. :rolleyes:

TheLastMohican

02-16-2011, 04:30 AM

TMI, really, TMI :yuck: :yuck: :yuck:.

The irony here is staggering.

Philanthropist

02-16-2011, 07:28 AM

The irony here is staggering.

Oh, c'mon, we've never been that crass. Are you serious?

aristos achaion

02-16-2011, 08:24 AM

Oh, c'mon, we've never been that crass. Are you serious?

I'm not sure how a statement that boils down to "I am planning on having sexual relations with my significant other, whom I consider attractive" really qualifies as "crass". It's not as though she used any impolite words or presented it in graphic detail...she merely acknowledged the existence of human sexuality in a vaguely provocative way. Must we deny that people have sex for the sake of your delicate sensibilities? Or is the notion that "nerds" have sex so anathema you don't want to confront it?

Philanthropist

02-16-2011, 08:33 AM

I'm not sure how a statement that boils down to "I am planning on having sexual relations with my significant other, whom I consider attractive" really qualifies as "crass".

Oh, believe me I could make it very crass....

aristos achaion

02-16-2011, 08:50 AM

Oh, believe me I could make it very crass....

I'm sure you could...not especially interested in that, though. I'm still curious why you consider a moderately racy statement to be "crass".

Philanthropist

02-16-2011, 09:26 AM

I'm sure you could...not especially interested in that, though. I'm still curious why you consider a moderately racy statement to be "crass".

Because a) it wasn't relevant to anything in the discussion, b) it put a mental image in my head (a rather unwelcome one at that), c) it's gross and d) it's gross!

catzmeow

02-16-2011, 09:40 AM

Because a) it wasn't relevant to anything in the discussion, b) it put a mental image in my head (a rather unwelcome one at that), c) it's gross and d) it's gross!

You're put off by nerd-shaggery? Sad.

aristos achaion

02-16-2011, 10:14 AM

Because a) it wasn't relevant to anything in the discussion, b) it put a mental image in my head (a rather unwelcome one at that), c) it's gross and d) it's gross!

(a) The stereotype of nerds you appear to subscribe to does have implications of sexual frustration or failure...basically, nerds are "supposed" to be closeted, socially backwards virgins. And lest you claim otherwise, having invoked The Big Bang Theory, a show about a group of geeks failing to sleep with a hot girl, as a touchstone for how nerds act pretty well makes this relevant.

(b) It puts a mental image in your head...of two people having sex? People pay a lot of money for such images. Unless, of course, you've got some prejudice about what of one of them is "supposed" to look like. Pray, tell...how does an INTJ nerd look?

(c) & (d) Two people having sex is gross? Avoid practically every work of literature that wasn't written between 1800 and 1920-ish then, as sex is one of the fundamental themes of human culture. Is Romeo and Juliet gross for including a (clearly) post-coital scene? Is Hamlet "gross" for having some really, really dirty jokes? And let's not even start about the Canterbury Tales...

(e) Setting off list enumerators using a single, unmatched parenthesis (e.g., "a)") is actually incorrect. Use a period or matched parentheses.

Dru

02-16-2011, 01:12 PM

You're put off by nerd-shaggery? Sad.

it's only natural, considering:

they usually have the appearance of having poor hygiene.

and

the following symptoms are usually indicative of some (or a lot of) nerdiness being present:

- Social ineptness that lasts into adulthood
- Poor hygiene
- Poor fashion sense
- Picking pimples in public
- Insistance on wearing clothing in colours/textures that don't match
- Not shaving regularly for men or waxing eyebrows regularly for women

... apparently.

TheLastMohican

02-16-2011, 01:39 PM

Oh, c'mon, we've never been that crass. Are you serious?

I wasn't really thinking about crassness, just theatrical tendencies. If you're particularly sensitive to frank sexual references, then I can see why you would find catzmeow's post bothersome while thinking nothing of your own habits. I think of "TMI" as having alternately qualitative and quantitative connotations — in this instance the former, and with you and Blse, the latter.

catzmeow

02-16-2011, 01:45 PM

it's only natural, considering:

and

... apparently.

More nerds for me, then. Muahahahahahhaah.

Dru

02-16-2011, 01:49 PM

i'm thinking that we should perhaps take into consideration the evidence the OP has given in this thread and numerous others for having high standards, and say that perhaps in her mind a "nerd" would be, to us, the "average" person who is not as gracefully cultured, groomed, and worldly as she is.

did i solve the mystery?! i think i did. :cheesy:

fourtines

02-16-2011, 02:11 PM

I like nerds if they're smart, sweet, and socially clueless. Those kinds of nerds are adorable.

Nerds who are angry, vengeful, and bitter at the world I've decided I can do without.

At one point I felt sorry for them and wanted to "help" them, but then I realized that people like that will just drag others down, too.

nolabel

02-16-2011, 03:14 PM

And lest you claim otherwise, having invoked The Big Bang Theory, a show about a group of geeks failing to sleep with a hot girl, as a touchstone for how nerds act pretty well makes this relevant.

One of them didn't fail.

I like nerds if they're smart, sweet, and socially clueless. Those kinds of nerds are adorable.

Nerds who are angry, vengeful, and bitter at the world I've decided I can do without.

At one point I felt sorry for them and wanted to "help" them, but then I realized that people like that will just drag others down, too.

You get an A-. You would had gotten an A+ if you had not used the words smart, sweet, and adorable.

aristos achaion

02-16-2011, 04:25 PM

I'll agree, it's hard to define nerd exactly. But the following symptoms are usually indicative of some (or a lot of) nerdiness being present:

I've gone ahead and edited out the ones that are too baseless to dignify with an answer...needless to say, not all nerds have pimples, and most are intelligent enough to have realized by adulthood that picking what pimples they do have causes scarring.

- Strong interest in science/maths

The horror! The humanity! Smart people doing things that're useful for society! Such abominations cannot be allowed to stand...break out the torches and pitchforks, fellas!

- Interest in anime (beyong the age of 13)
- Reading comic books/interest in comic book characters
- Watching/reading sci-fi
- Having more than a fleeting interest in Japan
- Owning anything to do with star wars

My dear sir, you have enlightened me. Until this point, I'd been under the mistaken impression that I was achieving some degree of self-fulfillment by doing things that I enjoy in the privacy of my own home. I now realize that I'm not allowed to enjoy things I like, because random people on the Internet might not like them! I must stop watching sci-fi right now!

Or maybe I'll just go back to watching Blade Runner, which I have playing on my Linux box at the moment. I'll try to keep the Pocky crumbs off my Star Wars t-shirt. After that, maybe I'll play some Minecraft or watch an episode of Doctor Who. Probably won't watch Star Wars, though...it gets kinda boring once you've got the script memorized...

- Playing video games (again, I'm talking about adults)

You know, I'm not going to bother being sarcastic about this one.

Back off. Now.

Gamers have every right to enjoy their video games, and video games aren't kiddie toys anymore. The average gamer is in his 30s. Should I make fun of you for playing the piano? That makes every bit as much sense as judging me for playing video games.

- Being interested in computers simply for a love of the technology

Don't you just hate it when people are interested in something for the love of it? Don't they know you're supposed to run your life by arbitrary societal expectations rather than being self-fulfilling? Seriously, the nerve of these people to enjoy themselves while having useful and productive careers!

- Insistance on wearing clothing in colours/textures that don't match

Most of the nerds I know wear t-shirt and blue jeans, pretty much all the time. It's kinda hard to find a T-shirt that doesn't go with jeans.

- Not shaving regularly for men or waxing eyebrows regularly for women

Maybe a forum devoted to shaving geeks (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) would change your mind?

I hope I've successfully painted a picture of what I'm talking about.

No, but you've painted a quite compelling picture of yourself. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

Dru

02-16-2011, 04:28 PM

if for nothing else, i enjoyed that post for the Monty Python reference.

:nerd:

eagleseven

02-16-2011, 04:30 PM

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Fifty Star Wars cosplayers can't be wrong!

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My dear sir, you have enlightened me. Until this point, I'd been under the mistaken impression that I was achieving some degree of self-fulfillment by doing things that I enjoy in the privacy of my own home. I now realize that I'm not allowed to enjoy things I like, because random people on the Internet might not like them! I must stop watching sci-fi right now!

Or maybe I'll just go back to watching Blade Runner, which I have playing on my Linux box at the moment. I'll try to keep the Pocky crumbs off my Star Wars t-shirt. After that, maybe I'll play some Minecraft or watch an episode of Doctor Who. Probably won't watch Star Wars, though...it gets kinda boring once you've got the script memorized...
I think I'm in love. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Back off. Now.

Gamers have every right to enjoy their video games, and video games aren't kiddie toys anymore. The average gamer is in his 30s. Should I make fun of you for playing the piano? That makes every bit as much sense as judging me for playing video games.
You're forgetting...immature gamers sit in front of a screen pressing keys all day.

Mature pianists sit in front of a hollow box hitting keys all day.

Opressoliber

02-16-2011, 04:39 PM

the horror! The humanity! Smart people doing things that're useful for society! Such abominations cannot be allowed to stand...break out the torches and pitchforks, fellas! kill them all and let god sort them out!!!!!

eagleseven

02-16-2011, 04:41 PM

kill them all and let god sort them out!!!!!
God will know his own. Deus vult!

OrangeAppled

02-16-2011, 05:13 PM

That was more Niles. Fraiser was pompous but not socially akward. He was quite affluent and had his dad live with him because he didn't want to move into a home (quite different from Howard on the Big Bang Theory). He was never able to establish a good LTR but had no trouble getting dates and lady-friends. Furthermore, he placed immense value on cothes, interior decorating and fancy vacations. Quite a far cry from the guy hunched over his computer in his mom's basement cursing all the girls that rejected him (Howard comes to mind). Fraiser is mainly a good natured snob, while Niles is a nerdy snob.

Niles doesn't really fit the prevailing idea of a "nerd" in this thread either though.....he is not into sci-fi, does not seem to smell bad, and like Frasier, is meticulous about his dress & image in general. Really, he's just an artsy intellectual snob like Frasier, but one who happens to have poorer social skills.

What's interesting, is both characters have a history of being mocked, outcast & bullied as kids in school. I have a feeling that is why some of the artsy intellectual snob types in here (who are not hygienically or fashionably challenged) identify with the "nerd" label - they were set apart negatively from others in their developing years, and it has become a part of their identity. So maybe nerd is not the perfect term, but it is often applied to kids in school who are socially awkward & have more bookish interests, even if their physical appearance is not necessarily awkward. What else do you call these people? Can they really be called a snob when they are the ones who are snubbed? Does "artsy" adequately describe their social isolation?

Of course, the funny thing is, when you head to college, being an artsy intellectual snob is suddenly kind of cool :laugh:

Philanthropist

02-16-2011, 08:55 PM

(a) The stereotype of nerds you appear to subscribe to does have implications of sexual frustration or failure...basically, nerds are "supposed" to be closeted, socially backwards virgins.

I don't care what they do, quite frankly. But I'd rather not think about them having sex, thanks.

(b) It puts a mental image in your head...of two people having sex? People pay a lot of money for such images.

Not me... I'm lucky enough not to have to pay for such things.

(e) Setting off list enumerators using a single, unmatched parenthesis (e.g., "a)") is actually incorrect. Use a period or matched parentheses.

I really don't care......I'll write my posts however I see fit. Thanks for your concern, though :).

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My dear sir.....

Since you're so concerned with correctness, wouldn't it be better to address me as ma'am? lol.

Back off. Now.

No. :crowngrin:

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You have a point:your man is responsible for your action, so blse would probably get the brunt of it.

Oh, yes, pardon me. I forgot that Asian women don't have minds or their own and are not capable of making their own decisions. Silly me!

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I wasn't really thinking about crassness, just theatrical tendencies. If you're particularly sensitive to frank sexual references, then I can see why you would find catzmeow's post bothersome while thinking nothing of your own habits. I think of "TMI" as having alternately qualitative and quantitative connotations — in this instance the former, and with you and Blse, the latter.

Y'know, you can always hit the ignore button. ;)

Opressoliber

02-17-2011, 03:49 PM

Hmmm.... Does anyone else think it is convenient that the artsy couple left out ''athletism'' (or lack of) in their definition of nerds?

/me thinks that blaise and the generous one could use a good trip to the gym, since they fit the "artsy" stereotype.
:laugh:

Oh, yes, pardon me. I forgot that Asian women don't have minds or their own and are not capable of making their own decisions. Silly me!

Well,do you think revenge against a woman is okay or not?? Make up your mind sister.:mad:

In any case, I'm just telling you what would have happened, what YOU think is of little consequence. :laugh:

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Not me... I'm lucky enough not to have to pay for such things.

Empty bucket. :mad::beatnik:

catzmeow

02-17-2011, 07:12 PM

I don't care what they do, quite frankly. But I'd rather not think about them having sex, thanks.

So, when you stated that nerds weren't sensual, you weren't thinking about nerd sex?

Philanthropist

02-18-2011, 04:02 AM

So, when you stated that nerds weren't sensual, you weren't thinking about nerd sex?

No, I wasn't actually. Everyone has senses, obviously. But simply because someone has sex doesn't make them sensual. Senses have other uses besides having sex, you know.

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/me thinks that blaise and the generous one could use a good trip to the gym, since they fit the "artsy" stereotype.
:laugh:

Actually we both regularly go to the gym. Wtf does that have to do with being artsy?

Well,do you think revenge against a woman is okay or not?? Make up your mind sister.:mad:

In third world countries and the 18th century, of course.

In any case, I'm just telling you what would have happened, what YOU think is of little consequence. :laugh:

Yes, you come from a backwater. I thought we'd already established that ages ago?

aristos achaion

02-18-2011, 06:48 AM

Actually we both regularly go to the gym. Wtf does that have to do with being artsy?

And many of us regularly have sex. WTF does that have to do with being nerdy?

Philanthropist

02-18-2011, 08:02 AM

And many of us regularly have sex. WTF does that have to do with being nerdy?

Like I said before, I don't care whether nerds have sex. I just don't want to hear about nerds romping in piles of star wars comic books........

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Dru

02-18-2011, 08:28 AM

well, many of us don't want you and your fiance rubbing yourselves together all over the forum, but we get it anyway, and i have to say i think we handle it with much more grace.

Blse

02-18-2011, 08:52 AM

well, many of us don't want you and your fiance rubbing yourselves together all over the forum, but we get it anyway, and i have to say i think we handle it with much more grace.

"Rubbing?" I don't think that's the word your looking for, baby doll.

And many of us regularly have sex. WTF does that have to do with being nerdy?

Actually I'm wondering the same. Social ineptitude =/= not having sex.

That said, if you (the general "you") don't like a lable or are so insecure about it that you attempt to redfine it, why voluntarily apply it to yourself?

gecko

02-18-2011, 01:01 PM

I would imagine they are good study partners

Latro

02-18-2011, 01:54 PM

No, I wasn't actually. Everyone has senses, obviously. But simply because someone has sex doesn't make them sensual. Senses have other uses besides having sex, you know.
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Notice the first two definitions, and the fact that they precede the third. "Sensual" isn't really about senses per se.

IotaNull

02-18-2011, 02:01 PM

I'm fairly sure "sensate" is the descriptive form, FWIW.

antistu

02-18-2011, 02:02 PM

I would imagine they are good study partners

I do make a good study partner, unfortunately no one ever asks me.

nolabel

02-18-2011, 02:26 PM

That said, if you (the general "you") don't like a lable or are so insecure about it that you attempt to redfine it, why voluntarily apply it to yourself?

Why are you (you and your fiance) forcing your opinion of nerds as the "right" opinion instead of just accepting the fact that everyone has a different opinion of what a nerd is?

How many nerds (of your definition) have you two actually met and gotten to know? Pick 3 of those people and write down the things that make them a nerd. So there should be 3 lists.

- Social ineptness that lasts into adulthood
- Poor hygiene
- Poor fashion sense
- Strong interest in science/maths
- Interest in anime (beyong the age of 13)
- Reading comic books/interest in comic book characters
- Watching/reading sci-fi
- Having more than a fleeting interest in Japan
- Owning anything to do with star wars
- Playing video games (again, I'm talking about adults)
- Picking pimples in public
- Insistance on wearing clothing in colours/textures that don't match
- Not shaving regularly for men or waxing eyebrows regularly for women
- Being interested in computers simply for a love of the technology

By the way, I'm not a nerd (by anyone's definition).

MrSoloDolo

02-18-2011, 05:49 PM

while i'll admit that i can be incredibly nerdy at times(i play chess, nuff said) i can completely understand what your talking about. I can't stand nerds sometimes, don't get me wrong some nerds are pretty damn cool, but some of them just don't get it. I'm not exactly what you would call a ladies man, but i can be charming if i can get a conversation or story going. But some nerds i see just don't have a clue. They wear their long socks with their pants that aren't quite long enough and act like they are better because they are smarter than everyone, but have no social skills and put no effort into learning some. Girls don't like talking about star trek and how that physics problem could have easily been misinterpreted. I think the nerds that i can't stand are the cocky ones, the humble ones i can really appreciate, but those guys who think they are better than everyone because they are smarter, but have no social skills and put no effort into learning some because they think its pointless are just delusional

aristos achaion

02-18-2011, 06:37 PM

That said, if you (the general "you") don't like a lable or are so insecure about it that you attempt to redfine it, why voluntarily apply it to yourself?

I think you're misunderstanding the label. "Nerd" (and "geek") doesn't in and of itself convey a social ineptitude, though nerds (especially young nerds) are oftentimes socially inept. Nerddom is a tendency (peculiar to INxx types, I think) to deconstruct & question social expectations and, thus, often not value them to the degree the rest of you seem to. The key here is that the "nerdy" tendencies you notice aren't an issue of "how do I fit in," they're an issue of "why should I bother fitting in?". ENxx's might do the same thing, but I think the extraversion gives them an answer -- that they want people to like them. Introverted intuitives, however, don't arrive at that conclusion -- there's really no reason we ought to conform to your expectations of us unless there's a visible benefit. And, no, having you not laugh at us isn't such a benefit, since we think that social mores are pretty ridiculous as a whole.

Y'all seem to think we shouldn't read comic books, play video games, or watch Star Wars. But why don't you do those things? Perhaps you just don't like them. But that's not sufficient reason to expect us not to as well...the question here is why you care so much. The reason you care is that we're defying your social constructs, and that makes you very, very uneasy. We care more about what we enjoy and find fulfilling than what others find acceptable, and, on some level, you're jealous of that sort of release. Maybe you kind of wish you could play video games or collect Star Wars action figures. Maybe there's something else "nerdy" you'd like to do. Either way, you've got hangups about those things and we don't, and you resent the fact that we don't.

We aren't all socially inept or awful-looking...we just don't care about the fact that you want us to be socially apt or keep up appearances. We'll do it if it makes us happy, and we tend to find reasons as we grow older to get into such things (e.g., becoming shave geeks, cologne geeks, fashion geeks, &c, not because you want us to, but because those are fulfilling in and of themselves). In fact, this means there're many, many more nerds & geeks out there than you realize...you just notice the ones that find things you don't care for fulfilling.

Blse

02-18-2011, 07:14 PM

Why are you (you and your fiance) forcing your opinion of nerds as the "right" opinion instead of just accepting the fact that everyone has a different opinion of what a nerd is?

For the purposes of this thread we needed a definition. As the ones who started this thread, we picked the most commonly presenting one as it is those individuals who fit that description that we wanted to discuss.

How many nerds (of your definition) have you two actually met and gotten to know? Pick 3 of those people and write down the things that make them a nerd. So there should be 3 lists.

Actually it's the other way around. There is a societal image of nerds and we discuss those people, as a group, who fit that image rather closely.

nolabel

02-18-2011, 08:18 PM

So you two have never actually gotten to know a person who identifies himself as a nerd? Or gotten to know a nerd (your definition)?

So can you label these if they are nerds or not (you may add other labels like geek, etc.) in your opinion:

*Star Wars here will be representing all the hobbies and interest of societal image of nerds.*

Poor Hygiene + poor fashion sense + socially inept + loves Star Wars =
Poor Hygiene + poor fashion sense + socially inept + not into Star Wars =
Poor Hygiene + poor fashion sense + socially normal + loves Star Wars =
Poor Hygiene + poor fashion sense + socially normal + not into Star Wars =
Poor Hygiene + normal fashion sense + socially normal + loves Star Wars =
Good Hygiene + poor fashion sense + socially normal + loves Star Wars =
Good Hygiene + normal fashion sense + socially inept + loves Star Wars =
Good Hygiene + normal fashion sense + socially inept + not into Star Wars =
Good Hygiene + normal fashion sense + socially normal + loves Star Wars =

Antares

02-18-2011, 08:34 PM

For the purposes of this thread we needed a definition. As the ones who started this thread, we picked the most commonly presenting one as it is those individuals who fit that description that we wanted to discuss.

You do realize you own neither the forum nor the thread, thus we don't need to use your insulting and slanderous definition. We don't discuss whatever and however you want to discuss. This isn't a Skype conversation where the owner of the group can remove members, censor their speech and change the topic. Thank god.

Blse

02-18-2011, 09:04 PM

You do realize you own neither the forum nor the thread, thus we don't need to use your insulting and slanderous definition. We don't discuss whatever and however you want to discuss. This isn't a Skype conversation where the owner of the group can remove members, censor their speech and change the topic. Thank god.

Of course you can say whatever, I didn't say otherwise. Nor did I assume I owned the thread; forum tules stated otherwise quite clearly. But you want to know why I stand by my definition, that was your answer. Now I don't quite know why people keep arguing with me about the definition. To change my mind? To prove something to someone?

dontmesswithme

02-18-2011, 09:04 PM

I'm a nerd. I think I'm alright. That is my opinion.

ninjamaster

02-18-2011, 10:42 PM

i am a nerd, a geek, an otaku, a coder, a roleplayer, a gamer, all of this at a point but not completely in one point !

so i am nerd friendly but there is something that i dislike sometime, it's the mannerism they may have :/

codyhines

02-18-2011, 10:52 PM

I... heart nerds

n8ey

02-18-2011, 11:28 PM

I've been resisting so far, but resistance... is... crumbling...

Okay, I give.

I got the title "nerd" or "geek" in sixth grade, because I was asocial, didn't wear the current styles, liked learning over recess and sports, enjoyed using proper English.

It wasn't a good title, there were a number of fights that I lost because people wanted me to conform and stop being a nerd. But I held onto it through life as I bettered myself. Kinda like a perverse motivator.

Now I'm somewhat successful through hard work and applying myself, and I see all these people calling themselves nerds and geeks and I cringe. It wasn't a title of honor when I was a kid - and now the same type of people who derisively called me a nerd now claim they are nerds?

Double standard. Hypocrisy. Shenanigans, even!

Antares

02-19-2011, 01:24 AM

Of course you can say whatever, I didn't say otherwise. Nor did I assume I owned the thread; forum tules stated otherwise quite clearly. But you want to know why I stand by my definition, that was your answer. Now I don't quite know why people keep arguing with me about the definition. To change my mind? To prove something to someone?

I don't really care about any mind-changing because what you think doesn't affect me. If the point of this discussion is to find common ground, then I'm failing miserably at that aspect. If it's to generate further divide, then you're quite successful, I must say. I don't see your purpose in all of this except to generate controversy and then refuse to even consider another point of view, or, shock-and-horror, another definition. Again, if you really choose to use a mass-media label that probably doesn't exist, I can see why nerds are distasteful to you because I find anyone who fits your definition distasteful. But for the sake of the productivity of this thread, there are multiple ways of viewing "nerds" and maybe if you acknowledge that possibility and stop insisting on your own definition being the only one we should use here this thread can die in a wave of "agree to disagree" posts.

Again, I don't see many people who fit your description so as far as I'm concerned they only slightly exist for me and the subject is moot. But if it's relevant to you then keep at it, but don't insinuate there is only one way to define the social stereotype of "nerd".

Fox

02-19-2011, 09:43 AM

Most of us here are technically "nerds" as my opinion of standard Nerds. I think they are too focus on their area of expertise that they ignore other areas they could work on. Like appearance and social skills.

psynite

02-19-2011, 01:43 PM

The whole nerd definition you've stated won't fully fit everyone that is called a nerd, so I don't think that the OP's defintion works. The general defintion of someone with expertise in a specific subject, or something along those lines is a better group to generalize nerds in. I fit many of the OP's criteria, but I would just as easy fit into a "jock" generalization as well, so your criteria isn't comprehensive enough.

Final words are "Let my people go!"

1superkawaii

02-19-2011, 05:02 PM

I've always liked them. They were more genuine people, being themselves and not trying to be something else. They weren't shallow and always had something interesting to say. I also knew that those were the people who were going to be making bigger salaries then the popular kids and jocks. So be nice to a nerd they just might be your future boss.

Feral

02-20-2011, 01:32 PM

I'm a geek. Or a nerd. Whatever you want to call me, I don't really care.
Yeah, I can see how throwing around acronyms can get annoying, but know what other subjects this geek finds more annoying than say, WoW, or LotR? Hand bags. Shoes. Gossip. Sports. Seriously, when non-geek/nerd people start rambling off to me, they go on and on about these things, and don't understand how I can't know the difference between Prada and Gucci, and above all, do not care. I'm not rooting for any teams, and I don't care how far Joe Blow ran with a ball. I'm not interested in the specs of your new Honda. I don't watch TV, so I don't know which one of the 'Friends' is my favorite.

But hey, if you want to talk about some Fallout, or nifty Photoshop tricks, or philosophy, then jabber away.

Insomey

02-21-2011, 12:22 AM

Are Asians naturally prone to being nerds?

Based on the OP's list, I think that most Asians would satisfy at least many "nerd traits" being listed by default.

I grew up in an Asian city that has ridiculously high population density. As a result, here is what I've noticed:

Video gaming/Arcades, "Anime" (Which when I was growing up, isn't that different from regular cartoons apart from the drawing styles), Comics/Manga are all parts of most city lives in Asia. One must realize there's very little "outside" to go play at, and that's what people do aside from drinking, eating, shopping, and movies outside of their overworked schedules.

Reading books outside of school still happens... but honestly with intense cramming education or 8+ hours work days like that, it's rather nauseating to believe that one would pick up a book voluntarily afterward. In addition, it's common to have 6+ people sharing a same flat. When you live with siblings, parents, an aunt/uncle, grandma and grandpa, you've got to do something at home. Well, you stare at the computers since it's inconvenient to go out without causing some kind of family/extended family uproar.

Typical Asian parents are inclined to push their children to be excelled in math, science, business, marketing, or economics UNLESS their child is a prodigy in a specific area. In addition, the education program as I recall, is ridiculous. I learned how to do multiplication in kindergarten, and operated Bunsen burners in elementary school--so comparatively to the North American education system, we'd be "good" at science and math. Most of the time, when one is skilled at something, one would enjoy it to a degree.

Japan is one of the most influential countries in Asia based on its rapid economic/marketing and technological development over the last decades. It's rather natural for any surrounding Asian countries to take interest in or heavily influenced by the Japanese blooming culture--including of course, the Japanese people themselves.

Apart from Star Wars, bad hygiene (which is a personal matter apart from nerds) and the difference in Asian fashion trend (which I am guessing the OP might gasp in horror after seeing it), I think that the OP is essentially describing middle to upper class Asian people in large cities.

Cultural Differences aside

I take interest in what most people would call dry--ancient philosophy, literature, theories in math and science, psychology, ancient history, anthropology, museum trips, Chinese brush calligraphy, musicology, typography etc. Essentially, I love to learn.

My social skill needs work even though it has come a long way. It's not exactly my cup of tea to engage in small talk or yap about TV shows like Jersey Shore, or how a friend of a friend of someone sat next to Kim Kardashian's table in Vegas. Essentially, my focus is on other things.

I've had iphone app light saber fight with my coworker, and I do have vinyl figurines here/there.

Yep, I have a few comics, a few manga, occasionally watch anime, and sometimes play video games. Oh right, I own some Hello Kitty things as well (see picture below)

Sci-fi is one of the many types of book that I read

Studying Gender in Japan, learning how to cook Japanese cuisine, studying their culture just happens to be one of the many things that I do. I tend to avoid "J-pop" though.

Computers are efficient, most of the time effective, and most of us in developed wealthy cities rely on them. I find it a little disconcerting to not gain basic understanding of the technology we have to use each day.

As for hygiene, I shower everyday, wear clean clothes, and only wear makeup to hide my ghastly insomniac-induced look so that people wouldn't have to show too much concern. I don't have Bert eyebrow, and no pimples to pick. Either way, I just think that picking pimples anywhere sounds rather wrong... and there's no excuse for bad hygiene if one could afford to take care of themselves.

Fashion-wise, I am neither trendy nor traditional simply because I have nowhere flashy to go, and I don't feel the need to impress anyone with what I'm wearing. Why buy a Versace dress when I can either sew one myself, or get a well fitting one for cheap? I've had my thick rimmed glasses for many years and I enjoy them quite a bit. Getting contact lenses seem like such a high maintenance idea, so it doesn't appeal to me. Well, there's the geek chic fashion trend right now, and it's to my favor. Thick rimmed glasses, hard cases, plaids and polka dots are no longer obsolete!

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