Wealthy INTJ/INTP

[Dreamer]

So? Are there any famous INTJs/INTPs that also happen to be wealthy?

[Mogura]

My guess is that an INTJ would probably be not so conspicuous about his/her own wealth. You probably woudn't know that your average INTJ was wealthy until he/she died. (Anyone else care to agree/disagree.)

But if I had to brainstorm famous and wealthy INTJs, I would probably start with the Silicon Valley tech legends...

[errrzarrr]

oh that's right.

... I pretend to be wealthy, and not when old, i pretend to be wealthy while still a adult young.

[Dreamer]

By famous, I meant "recognizable" in his/her field of competence.

E.g. the Buffet types, not nescessarly known throughout popular culture but nonetheless a pretty recognizable fella.

[Monte314]

The introspective nature of INTJ's militates against ostentation (i.e., big gold chains, fancy cars, yada yada... not so much!)

[errrzarrr]

but monte, anyone could be rich/walthy and don't wear bling blings and big gold chains. But very rich anyway

[INTJoe]

INTJs would be likely to gain riches not necessarily due to having a high income, but due to disciplined saving and intelligent investing. As someone else stated, most people would have a difficult time assessing the net worth of an INTJ. Because we appreciated efficiency and smart decisions, people won't see us rolling around on 20's, wearing brand new shoes every week.

I think INTPs are also good at accumulating wealth, but they are a big more spontaneous than the Js. They have a bit of the compulsive bug. My INTP friend is pretty stingy, but then he splurges on things like technology. Also, he gets drunk and buys like 5 DVDs in a night, only to watch them once, burn them, and sell them to me for $3. I just bought like 40 of his DVDs for $100. He had like 200-300, so the 40 I chose were ones I actually wanted...not just a lump of all of his movies. I let him keep Pulp Friction, Shriek and Meat the Parents.

[yondyr]

Being similarly cheap, can I buy that 40 copies off you for $50 :cheesy:

[errrzarrr]

Is good to be friend of Joe's Friend. :P


argh... I want to be wealthy (at least economically independent) and not when old, because I want to enjoy the wealthness and my sons/daughter/wife.

[nikewong]

spend less than you earn, that what keeps you have extra money.

[errrzarrr]

that's obvious nikewong. But that's not enough. I mean, there's basics needs that you have to fullfil (and you have no other choice). Like house, school, car, kids clothing, food for family, and some fun you might and have the right to enjoy sometimes. That means you will spend monthly a base account of money, with no choice to skip it. So, if you dont earn too much you will spend the whole life saving and in debt with the bank (that sucks and that's why I say there is sclavism still) and everyone have the right to have fun in his/her life. A whole life saving and don't having fun is a crap of life :S and I negate to live like that.

[notoppings]

Then go out and do it I often here people say they want this or that but don't follow through. If you really want extra money make it. Find time in your busy life to raise extra cash if it's your family that holds you up turn it into a family project so everyone can contribute. There really are to many ways to make extra cash all it takes is drive.

[errrzarrr]

Yeah I will do, no doubt at all. But, as I INTJ you might know I do think of the most effective way of doing it. Ah, I can't help it. xD

btw, thanks for the impulse. It helps!

[INTJoe]

and everyone have the right to have fun in his/her life. A whole life saving and don't having fun is a crap of life :S and I negate to live like that.

Your post is ill-informed on so many levels. First of all, nobody is given a right to have fun in life. Are you kidding me? Nobody cares if you are having fun. You have got to take care of yourself.

If you work for 40 years, you will earn well over a million dollars. How much of it are you willing to keep?

Work hard in your 20's and 30's to take care of yourself in your 60's and 70's.

[sriv]

Does anyone here on this forum have a net worth of over 5 million, or close?

[RoyalINTJ]

so whats up with big gold chains and fancy cars ? you dont like it? ok reasonably big gold chains....

[Linza]

Introversion does not preclude ostentatious wardrobe / accessories. However, the intuition trait does warn us what not to wear if we want to avoid being mugged. ;D

[Uberfuhrer]

Introversion does not preclude ostentatious wardrobe / accessories. However, the intuition trait does warn us what not to wear if we want to avoid being mugged. ;D

Intuition is also less concerned with material pleasures such as ostentatious wardrobes and accessories.

[RoyalINTJ]

you guys are funny...

[INTJoe]

Does anyone here on this forum have a net worth of over 5 million, or close?

I'm not sure how many people we have, and how many elder statesmen we have but it wouldn't shock me at all. There are certainly several millionaires. Well, I shouldn't say that. I think this forum is still very young; I should say "potential millionaires". Of course, a millionaire isn't what he or she used to be. Supposedly "Deca-Millionaires" are the new "Millionaires."

[wunderkind]

I agree that it is shrewd investment and patience what pay off in long term. However, another point is that accumulating money may not make you rich at all. There is not intrinsic value in money themselves and their value is presented only when they are spent ...
I try to focus on spending money efficiently to produce further economic value.
And don`t forget on FED and ECB printing new banknotes constantly devaluating your currency related assets.

[Roy G Biv]

INTJs would be likely to gain riches not necessarily due to having a high income, but due to disciplined saving and intelligent investing.

I suppose this thread is about famous people, but what about inheritance?

I think INTPs are also good at accumulating wealth, but they are a big more spontaneous than the Js. They have a bit of the compulsive bug. My INTP friend is pretty stingy, but then he splurges on things like technology.

My INTP friend ius extremely frugal. He doesn't buy himself clothes for years and then spends $700 on a Brooks blazer.

That said, I think that was the only spontaneous big purchase I ever knew him to make. He usually spends small amounts of his disposable income at EMS and REI; otherwise, his money sits in the bank or gets invested.

I don't care about money, other than I don't want to have to worry about it when I retire.

[Mogura]

Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple Computer...

I read his book, iWoz, and I would put him down as in INTJ (or INTP) with a well-developed F function. Some might argue that he is INFJ, but the guy built computers in his head early in the day.

As for the other Steve (Jobs)... ESFP(?) While we might scoff at the idea of an INTJ-ESFP team, the synergy derived from such a combination went on to fuel one of the tech industry's greatest (and most intriguing) success stories...

[jesse]

I'd say an INTJ is not too bothered to accumulate a massive wealth and then show it off to the rest of the world. Don't get me wrong, an INTJ does enjoy success but it is a different form of success compared to the assumed visual manifestation such as a mansion, a large collection of fancy sports cars etc etc. In this sense, the INTJ probably would prefer to live comfortably rather than obscenely richly. In case an INTJ does receive a large paycheck, then the resources will be allocated and much of it will be put away in case anything were to happen in the future. It's all about efficiency and long term viability imo.

[cBorg]

I'd say an INTJ is not too bothered to accumulate a massive wealth and then show it off to the rest of the world. Don't get me wrong, an INTJ does enjoy success but it is a different form of success compared to the assumed visual manifestation such as a mansion, a large collection of fancy sports cars etc etc. In this sense, the INTJ probably would prefer to live comfortably rather than obscenely richly. In case an INTJ does receive a large paycheck, then the resources will be allocated and much of it will be put away in case anything were to happen in the future. It's all about efficiency and long term viability imo.

yes, yes and yes! I'm very comfortable financially and comfort is the key word. (sorry no where close to 5 million yet...too young for that) I work with people at similar incomes who live large - regular vacations, expensive purchases, nicer cars etc - and then complain at the end of the month about spouses bouncing checks. I just keep quiet. I enjoy what I have, but only after taking care of plans for the future. Financial independence is more important than wealth for me.

[Chivalry]

I am really cheap too!! hehe.. especially when i go backpacking and haggle over like $0.50 over room rental for 30mins.. then i spend loads on electronics and the latest toys.. haha.

I agree that INTJ has the ability to earn some money.. but does not have the desire to accumulate wealth massively and show it off.. If INTJs can work on the 'pretending to conform' part and play along with the rules of the games at work.. we can go pretty far =) that is if we are willing to play along.. sometimes, i just dun give a d***.. haha!

[Synamon]

I think cBorg may have hit on the difference, financial independence and security are sought out by INTJs since if you have those you can pretty much do whatever you want. Wealthy implies conspicuous consumption or showing off your money in some way (large houses, jet set lifestyle, etc.). My husband earns great money and I invest it well and we don't splurge much except on travel, so our net worth is approaching that $5 million mark.

[cBorg]

I don't think my husband would consider me cheap LOL! Apparently I have expensive taste :-) I just try to indulge it infrequently.

[yondyr]

Synamon, need a travelalong nanny, aide de camp, butler, maid or....?

[44sunsets]

So? Are there any famous INTJs/INTPs that also happen to be wealthy?

I would think there are plenty. For example, Steve Wozniak (he's probably an INTP?).

I think Steve Jobs may be an INTJ, but I don't quite know enough about him to be sure. There's thousands more out there.

[thod]

I would say that J's are more likely to end up middle class than wealthy. Their desire to plan for a future only allows this much progression. What you are planning for others are too. To be wealthy you must exceed the vast majority of others, you cannot do it by doing what others are doing.

This is achieved not by careful planning of the future, but by taking advantage of opportunities as they arise. Having a life plan prevents you from seizing these opportunities as it would negate the plan. The P's do not plan, on the basis that they must be nimble to grab when the opportunity arises. This extra risk taking leads to some of them getting rich and some poorer than the J's.

[catd]

Famous INTJs - some of these are/were wealthy:

AUGUSTUS CAESAR
DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER
SIR ISAAC NEWTON
AYN RAND
GEORGE LUCAS
Dan Akroyd
Susan B. Anthony
Arthur Ashe
Augustus Caesar
Jane Austen
William J. Bennett
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Raymond Burr
Chevy Chase
Phil Donahue
Michael Dukakis
Greg Gumbel
Hannibal
Veronica Hamel
Orel Hershiser
Peter Jennings
Charles Everett Koop
Ivan Lendl
C. S. Lewis
Joan Lunden
Edwin Moses
Martina Navratilova
Rep. Charles Rangel
Pernell Roberts
Maria Shriver
Josephine Tey
Chester A. Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow Wilson

I read that Hillary Clinton is an INTJ

[INTJoe]

I would say that J's are more likely to end up middle class than wealthy. Their desire to plan for a future only allows this much progression.

This is achieved not by careful planning of the future, but by taking advantage of opportunities as they arise. Having a life plan prevents you from seizing these opportunities as it would negate the plan. The P's do not plan, on the basis that they must be nimble to grab when the opportunity arises. This extra risk taking leads to some of them getting rich and some poorer than the J's.

While this may be generally true, there are always exceptions. For instance, a J who has a high salary, or a high net worth by a fairly young age (say 40), has the capability of seizing riskier business opportunities.

At the same rate, a P who can seize a risky opportunity at a younger age, or with less capital, can seize the wrong opportunity, and end up in a worse spot than before.

A lot of people who "seize opportunities" don't know what the hell they are doing, and are just being fooled by randomness or whatever.

One of the most fool-proof ways to acquire wealth is by cutting spending, increasing saving, and investing wisely over a handful of decades. Sure, it's not sexy or risky, but it can work.

Maybe there are a fewer % of rich INTPs compared to INTJs, but their net worth is higher because they were the ones who seized opportunities that panned out? I don't know. Actually, if that were the case, then the "typical" INTP would be more middle-class than the typical INTJ. But the rare INTP who makes it big might make it much bigger than the rare INTJ who makes it big.

[dissident]

INTJs have power, and money, but they tend not to be famous.

They are the movers and shakers, the ones really running things behind the scenes.. the shadow government if you will...

[bladeserver]

I think cBorg may have hit on the difference, financial independence and security are sought out by INTJs since if you have those you can pretty much do whatever you want. Wealthy implies conspicuous consumption or showing off your money in some way (large houses, jet set lifestyle, etc.). My husband earns great money and I invest it well and we don't splurge much except on travel, so our net worth is approaching that $5 million mark.
Can i be your cabana boy? I seem to be remarkably unwealthy and my present job as a janitor offers little in the way of upward mobility.

I have references.

[colmdubh]

Hmm I think we should start an investment forum of some sort...Not the get rich quick advice either most of that is for suckers who don't consider the long term prospects of wise investing...I think the hard part is starting out, once you have enough "expendable" revenue coming in it seems easier to re-invest part of it in more worthwhile investments like real estate for instance