Political Compass Test

[nemo]

**Poll added** (March 13/09)


I personally like this test better:

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[OneBadMother]

I do like that test better. I'm moderately economic left and social libertarian.

[Victoria Silver]

I personally like this test better:

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I've done that test before. I am extremely "libertarian" and slightly "left."

[Merle]

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[Kotetsu]

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

[Victoria Silver]

I took the test again, varying some of my answers, and I still get about the same result. I think it's my "Strongly Agree" and "Strongly Disagree" answers that make the most difference.

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A quick guide to what this all means:

Upper Right (Blue): Fascist Pigs

Upper Left (Red): Commie Rats

Lower Right (Purple): Capitalist Bloodsuckers

Lower Left (Green): Hippie Perverts

;)

[TheLastMohican]

A quick guide to what this all means:

Upper Right (Blue): Fascist Pigs

Upper Left (Red): Commie Rats

Lower Right (Purple): Capitalist Bloodsuckers

Lower Left (Green): Hippie Perverts

;)

LOL, I love that summary. I like that you didn't even spare your own quadrant.

I am a Capitalist Bloodsucker. ;D

[Rowan]

I personally like this test better:

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[Zirka]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

Hey look! Another Hippie Pervert! (On a off topic but amusing note, I wore green from head to toe today)

[ColdMaverick]

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I find the complete lack of fellow "capitalist bloodsuckers" in our international leadership a bit unsettling. The same goes for this general trend towards authoritarianism. I suppose people just don't like having to make decisions for themselves.

[Linza]

I find it difficult to believe that His Holiness the Dalai Lama bothered to take this political compass test, but somehow it's not hard to imagine Pope Benedict doing it.

I'm with Rowan, on the line between Hippie Perverts and Capitalist Bloodsuckers. A Capitalist Pervert, if you will.

[Serket]

Well that test didn't really work for me. It put me doen in the green area near Nelson Mandela!?

I think the problem was I was answering questions from two different perspectives.
The first was from my perspective as an individual wanting personal freedom, and the secoind being if I was in charge of a state. If I ruled it would be like Brave New World, and I would be the Supreme World Controller. I value my own individuality and would fight to keep it, but recognise that within a bigger system conformity is key to peaceful cohabitation. A rigid caste system imposed by drugs, social conditioning and propoganda would work well.

[Provoker]

I'm left of center and libertarian...most of the INTJ posters seem to be in this bloc, interesting stuff.

[Serket]

Does this mean if INTJ's took over the world it would be run on the principles of fairness tolerance and general niceness?

[Antares]

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Whoa whoa whoa! I'm right? That makes no sense! :'( I was and always will be a Hippie Pervert!

[ShaiGar]

I'm an authoritarian capitalistic bastard.

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[Antares]

Sure you are, sure you are. You just made it that way. Those who know where they stand can manipulate test results. I know how to get specific MBTI types.

[Rowan]

I'm with Rowan, on the line between Hippie Perverts and Capitalist Bloodsuckers. A Capitalist Pervert, if you will.

Or a Hippie Bloodsucker, perhaps? Personally I like to think of myself as a Bloodsucking Pervert ;)

[Linza]

Personally I like to think of myself as a Bloodsucking Pervert ;)


:laugh: Nice.

[jay c]

Highly expressed libertarian ;-) with a slight inclination to the right.

[malefide]

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Yay, I'm a Hippie Pervert.

...why am I proud of this? :D

[Elfrun]

Damn it I'm a hippy pervert... thought for sure I would be considered a capitalist bloodsucker!

I don't care that much about the unfortunate, honest.

[aok]

I'm in the green zone

[zavizar]

Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

Yep, I'm super-left haha

[Linza]

Being in that green quadrant makes a lot of sense. A lot of INTJs seem to have the 'LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME DO WHAT I WANT BECAUSE I'M RIGHT, SO DON'T F WITH ME' kind of attitude. Very libertarian sentiment.

[zavizar]

That makes sense. I guess you could make a pretty distinct connection between the two. There seems to be very few Ultra-rightist INTJs, but they normally have just as a good reason to believe in such as the Extreme-leftist INTJs do.

[Linza]

That makes sense. I guess you could make a pretty distinct connection between the two. There seems to be very few Ultra-rightist INTJs, but they normally have just as a good reason to believe in such as the Extreme-leftist INTJs do.

Generally that reason seems to be that others (read: non INTJs) cannot be left to their own devices, lest they destroy us all. :undecided:

[zavizar]

Generally that reason seems to be that others (read: non INTJs) cannot be left to their own devices, lest they destroy us all. :undecided:

Indeed. They have a mix of one of the most unprecedented mindsets and a rightist (possibly dictatorial) distrust of the people. If they are strong in each field, they have a grand capability of becoming ruthless rulers.

[Monte314]

I'm virtually in the center on both axes... I guess I'm kind of a "zero".

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

[zavizar]

I'm virtually in the center on both axes... I guess I'm kind of a "zero".

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

you still lean toward the left. you probably have a bit more of the 'down to earth' persona when it comes to political stance.

[Aronnax]

I'm virtually in the center on both axes... I guess I'm kind of a "zero".

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

You're almost the origin, fun!


Here's mine:

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Economic left/right 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

[olsonlj1]

Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

Yay Hippie Perverts!

[thod]

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[Beery Swine]

Last time I took the test I came out halfway liberal and halfway libertarian, like if you drew a line from each ones' extreme point I was right at the center of the line.

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Didn't espect to come up less liberal. I think those questions might be confused about what's libertarian and what's conservative.

[flex22v]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21

I can't get the graph picture to paste but my dot is 5 columns to the right but directly on that black cross line... so my dot is on the blue & purple

[Mozzes]

Looks like I fall somewhere close to the libertarian/neoliberal camp.

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[Lights]

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77

Oh dear! :cry: It looks like I'm a lefty libertarian.

My pic looks just like Beery Swine's.

[PHS Philip]

Finally, a use for Facebook! (I have my results stored on an app there)

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

I'm not used to being out hippy-perverted so, I'm rather displeased right now :(

[Ivyman]

Did the test and it turns out I am a pinko liberal commie.
Almost spot on with Ghandi's score.

Awesome.

[Fej]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46

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[AMW]

Wow I'm almost the origin as well.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

slightly right and slightly authoritarian

[catd]

Economic Left/Right: -1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97

[Malotis]

Economic Left/Right: -1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.8

[wunderkind]

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[ssrprotege]

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.72

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Almost on the centre...but a Hippie Pervert for now...

[Harjanaz]

Some of these questions I don’t like because I could answer both ways depending on the situation. For example the question "I would defend my country whether it was right or wrong" as things are now I wouldn’t but if everything was the way I wanted it then I would.

Or the question "abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal." I clicked disagree because I think abortion should be allowed if the baby is going to come out severely disabled. But what I think they are assuming is that I clicked disagree because it’s a human life, which isnt the case.

I guess this test shows my attitude towards the current government and not my ideal government.

[Lupin]

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

Quite surprised at this but it was a really interesting test. Thanks for the opportunity.

Nelson Mandela and Gandhi are my true heroes......... :)

[Mittens]

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

I'll get in the hippie perv corner.

[Evil Eye]

I tried this on some of my friends. The extroverts tended to be authoritarian, and the introverts liberal.

[Deadgod]

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I honestly thought I would be a fascist pig! But looks like I'm a hippie pervert!





Deadgod added to this post, 3 minutes and 7 seconds later...

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Interesting...

[GrimWizard]

Some of these questions I don’t like because I could answer both ways depending on the situation. For example the question "I would defend my country whether it was right or wrong" as things are now I wouldn’t but if everything was the way I wanted it then I would.

Or the question "abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal." I clicked disagree because I think abortion should be allowed if the baby is going to come out severely disabled. But what I think they are assuming is that I clicked disagree because it’s a human life, which isnt the case.

I'm pretty sure all these questions should be taken literally. Those answers you gave are pretty much exactly the information the questionnaire is trying to get from you.

Anyway, here is my graph.
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[comfortofeyes]

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My result:

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I wish it was exactly on the center, as I believe that the best thing humans can do is to stand in the middle of that distance between capitalism and socialism which are not acquainted with what human really needs.

[Erika Redmark]

Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

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LOL, and I thought I answered so many questions conservatively. The fact that I like art and think women can do things besides be homemakers must have pulled me back over to the liberal side. :laugh:

[Brilliance]

Interesting.. Although many of the questions I was more-less indifferent, and had to choose a side. heh.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18

Personally I believe I see the good/bad of all the sides, and I would like to believe I'd be somewhere in the middle, but the test says otherwise :P

[eastman]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

That definitely sounds like libertarian paternalism, or social democracy.

[VeridisQuo]

nice little test:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

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I was expecting something close to that....btw I can make the difference between my utopian vision of the world and what humanity is in reality able to do...

[Beery Swine]

Wow, I've changed a lot since my last post on this thread. I used to be in the dead center of the green grid.
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[BlackHawk]

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Libertarian Right (Purple)

[Nox]

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18

Hippie pervert....most definitely.

[Caucus]

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[MrEPenguin]

Economic Left/Right: 1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64

[zibber]

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Yep, perfect. Super left, but some rules are in place.

[Neuro]

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I would put myself just a shade right of center. The reason I got so left wing was because of the high emphasis on economic issues in the test.

[NephilimAzrael]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

How do i get the compass pic up?
Bottom left corner

[reb]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

[Tocsin]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03

[Krazy P]

I come out like Milton Friedman - I wonder what that means.

[Dreamer]

That pretty much means you are a Libertarian - a Free marketeer/Social liberal.

I took the test a while ago I came out to the extreme right on the economic scale and spot on the middle on the vertical axis.

[upuaut]

Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.05

[Synamon]

hippie pervert for me :rockstar:

Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

[Fridays Child]

I came out pretty much dead centre. All things to nobody... or nothing to everyone?

[le Duc]

Economic: 0.5
Social: -1.23

When one is asked thirty-odd questions, most of which bait the test taker in one direction or another, how reliable is the result?

[inquisitive]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21

Up there next to Ghandi.

[SmartOne]

I seem to be green, although I am near the middle. Thinking about it that is far to near the left. Strange as at times I am called by the name of a rather famous right wing leader.

[bladeserver]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92


Yep completely accurate. I was saying the very same thing to Mahatma and Nelson last week (It was the Dalai lamas bowling night). They were all agreeing we were a bunch of hippie perverts.

[LordMaiestas]

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I am so close to Romano Prodi.Almost exactly

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[Double Victory]

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Not an extremist, but still leaning towards general freedom. :D

[EdmontonAspie]

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Yep, I'm officially a "Hippie Pervert";
and I wouldn't want anything to do with
Stephen Harper if it were my last act.

[Evalind]

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Meh. No wonder I can't decide who to vote for this election!

Any guesses as to where McCain and Obama fall on this graph??

[miles2go]

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[Dragontongue]

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[dragonsscout]

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I'm generally willing to compromise on the economic bit though. It'll probably change as I take more classes...

[Weirdo87]

Everyone seems to say they're libertarian, but I'm curious to see how everyone would score on a test that tries to caterogize their political leanings:

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You'll be evaluated on your stances on economic as well as social issues. If I knew how to paste an image onto this thing, I would give you an example of what your results will look like, but I don't. We did this on intpforum, and nearly everyone scored left wing on economic issues and libertarian on social issues.

My results (in numerical form):
Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
(Left wing libertarian)

Btw, Bob Barr, the leader of the Libertarian Party in the US, scores as a right wing authoritarian on this test.

[IceDream]

This is my score:

Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

I actually have no idea what it means. I usually describe myself as slightly left of centre. I can't tell if the test confirms this or disproves it.

[Weirdo87]

This is my score:

Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

I actually have no idea what it means. I usually describe myself as slightly left of centre. I can't tell if the test confirms this or disproves it.

On economic issues you are mildly left wing, but realy more of a centrist (-1.00).
On social issues, you are considerably left wing/libertarian (-6.72).

At least that's how the test categorizes you.

[Seppuku Savant]

Fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Not affiliated with any party.

[IceDream]

Thank you for the explanation, Seppuku and Weirdo! That makes sense.

[Rudy]

Economic Left/Right: 4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85

If I had to classify myself as a party, it would be cosmo-libertarian, but there's a lot I don't agree with them on. I support programs based on whether or not the government can do something more efficiently than the free market. I am in favor of national health care, because countries with it spend much less per person on health care, but opposed to social security, for example.

[LaoTzu]

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
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I still think it's unfair to call me a Socialist :)

[WaeV]

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[Rudy]

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Pretty close to mine.

[Hjordis]

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That's about where I was too.

[probity]

I'm in the green. ;)
Very close to the purple though.

[Hatsumomo1]

Capitalist bloodsucker all the way!

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[Lycurgus]

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I guess I do, in fact, lean left.

[WaeV]

Hardly at all though.

Notice how there is a severe lack of politicians in the lower right?

[Weirdo87]

Notice how there is a severe lack of politicians in the lower right?
Notice how there is a severe lack of politicians anywhere except the upper right.

[Autoptic]

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It's a bit off in associating factual judgments with position, or I'd probably be further in the corner. Corporate affects being problematic doesn't fix that any controlling institution would do the same or worse, or that you'd just be picking someone else's value to put on top while ignoring that the people already "voted" with their resources thus the corporate influence in the first place.

[LostOverThere]

-7.75 for economic, and -5.03 for social. I guess that fits pretty well with me liking the ideals of Libertarian Marxism. :)

Very interesting that almost everyone here is a libertarian though, hah.

[Only Forward]

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Pretty much.

[Rhuarch]

Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

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I was a registered member of the Expansionist party for years. I wonder where that would be on the graph? (admittedly that was mostly to irritate my government teacher in high-school) It seems that INTJs and probably INTPs are almost universally libertarian. That must come from our desire to neither lead nor follow, but to be left alone to pursue our own interests/goals.

[Rhan]

Being in that green quadrant makes a lot of sense. A lot of INTJs seem to have the 'LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME DO WHAT I WANT BECAUSE I'M RIGHT, SO DON'T F WITH ME' kind of attitude. Very libertarian sentiment.

That is kind of true. By the way it seems that the rule is confirmed here too

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[Storm]

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21

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I'm a capatalist bloodsucker. Sadly, not as far right as I thought I'd be.

[Cyr]

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

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Funny thing is... I'm a centrist.

[altoid]

Another "hippie pervert" here.

[thiagofralves]

I'm a hippie pervert. Wish I could have been to Woodstok, lol.
Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

[nowandzen]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

Pretty much a pinko. Oh yea.

[dissident]

without taking the test again, I can tell you approx where I am...

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[harrycallahan71]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

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[towith]

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I would consider myself more of an extremist. The problem being that while I hold standards which drag me closer to the center, I wouldn't wish them to be imposed on others. Perhaps we should redesign the graph to include an multigovernment vs. omnigovernment axis. For example in the libertarian extremes it would demonstrate the contrast between panarchism and minarchism.

[gabriel]

Righty libertarians rule!!

Why? It just makes sense.


Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08

[Gamgee]

I'm in the green zone, roughly the center of the green square. A fairly balanced Liberal, but that was obvious.

[Wraenrde]

Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

Interesting test, I've done it a few times now (and seem to get greener every time!)

[dissident]

I would consider myself more of an extremist. The problem being that while I hold standards which drag me closer to the center, I wouldn't wish them to be imposed on others. Perhaps we should redesign the graph to include an multigovernment vs. omnigovernment axis. For example in the libertarian extremes it would demonstrate the contrast between panarchism and minarchism.

same here.. I live more conservatively then most, but I wouldn't wish to impose those standards on everyone else. I'm very much a libertarian in that regard... live and let live.. not a control freak. Let people have their guns and their weed, the only government I support is regulations against immigration (fence up the Mexican border, post snipers if needed, immigration allowed only if proper english is spoken, and appropriate citizenship tests passed) , and regulations on corporations to protect workers and the environment... I'm very much a "more freedoms, but take responsibility for your actions", kind of person compared to the current western attitude of "less freedoms, and blame everyone else for the mistakes you made" kind of attitude.... but I support giving people a helping hand in a time of need, too... as long as they don't abuse the system... I don't like the banning of personal liberties is all... the micro-management of people's lives... for their own good, the good of the people, or whatever... only large entities that can by default deflect responsibility of their actions, such as corporations, and governments themselves, need be regulated in such a manner. That was the whole reason for the US constitution... the founding fathers saw that a big corrupt government can be as dangerous as a big corrupt corporation.... they are one in the same.... especially under a fractional reserve, debt based, compounding interest monetary system.

Just took the test again:

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[Jonathan Brewer]

Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

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Results were a little surprising but not too much so I guess. I just didn't realize I was that authoritarian. :)

[Malle]

I've taken this test 3 times before, where my results were all slightly more moderate on both scales than the result I got this time. Perhaps I have changed, but I don't think it's unlikely that I am coloured by recent national events, such as the Swedish government passing their version of IPRED and the trial against The Pirate Bay.

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[Ntwadumela]

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[AnEskimo]

I was deep into the green territory... :D Just where I belong!

[WaeV]

Being in that green quadrant makes a lot of sense. A lot of INTJs seem to have the 'LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME DO WHAT I WANT BECAUSE I'M RIGHT, SO DON'T F WITH ME' kind of attitude. Very libertarian sentiment.

Being in the purple quadrant makes a lot of sense. Not only are they leaving you alone, they're leaving your money alone.

[AnEskimo]

Being in the purple quadrant makes a lot of sense. Not only are they leaving you alone, they're leaving your money alone.

Meh...money - overrated.

[Jonathan Brewer]

Meh...money - overrated.

Maybe... but so is poverty. ;D

[Wst]

Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64


In the purple section.

I was in the green section until I read a bit more about economics. Ultimately a capitalist society leads people out of poverty in the long-term, because it requires them to be accountable and responsible for their life by working hard and contributing to the economy. Inequality isn't really a problem if the wealth of everyone increases in real-terms.

Excessive government intervention is paternalistic and encourages economic stagnation and dependence on welfare. Isn't redistributing wealth through taxation fundamentally the same as stealing through coercion? How does the government ultimately know what each and everybody's individual preferences are?

Just because we INTJs have a strong leaning towards individualism doesn't mean we should deprive the same rights to the other people in our society, however intelligent or irrational they may be.

[WyohKnott]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

About what I expected, although I did think that I might be more libertarian. I like this type of scale much better than the traditional left-to-right line, which has always bothered me with its inaccuracy.

[Perseus]

I am pleased to be a Greenie.

I don't eat veggies very often though.

[uncon]

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This was mentioned earlier last year but I was interested in poll results.

I'm Libertarian Left - basically a non-Authoritarian democrat. My guess is most INTJs would either be Libertarian Left or Libertarian Right.

[Rho1334]

I came up Libertarian Left but was really close to Authoritrian Left too ,I was practicly on the line.

[Imposcillator]

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

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No surprise there.

[web]

The test assumes my political attitude is in the green square..
and i 2nd Linza's statement <<<'LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME DO WHAT I WANT BECAUSE I'M RIGHT, SO DON'T F WITH ME>>>
if the above statement (as posted by Linda) is not satisfied, i usually end up being all sulky. (its been 22 years now with some periods of non-sulkiness (warcraft III tft, martial arts 3 years))

Which is a lie, the non-sulky periods belong to the cathegory of sulkiness marked by social confidence.
anyway... bye

[naberus]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36

So it appears INTJs are naturally liberal left-wings...

[DurrRuhRurr]

Economic Left/Right:-3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:-5.18

I'm farther on the left than I thought.

[DDL]

The test put me in the blue square but I think I'm closer to the purple square than it says.

[Plane Stress]

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[lys]

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67

[universalis]

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Economic Left/Right: 1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26





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Wow whats with all the lefties ;)

[raharu]

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21

Hehe, I guess DurrRuhRurr was right...

[floramacivor]

That's just weird. My results were slightly left, and barely libertarian:
Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.31

[Lohengram]

I think this test has a poor definition structure; I won't be able to grasp a system that puts Hitler and Stalin in different categories. Both seek control of the economic and social lives of their people. The 4 categories should be collectivism vs individualism at the social and economic level. Superficially this test structure seems to state that it does that, but I do not believe it does this adequately in practice. Incidentally it ranked me as a Right Libertarian.

[intellael]

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

[Harmony]

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23
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[eternaltriangle]

I think I am getting soft in my old age (when I was younger I would usually get 9 for economic left/right).

Economic Left/Right: 5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23





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I think this test has a poor definition structure; I won't be able to grasp a system that puts Hitler and Stalin in different categories. Both seek control of the economic and social lives of their people.

I agree that they are often wrong in how they place leaders, but Stalin was clearly willing to go further in terms of state control of the economy. Private property existed in Hitler's Germany, even during a state of absolute war. By contrast, Stalin's USSR had no private property whatsoever, even during times of peace. Hitler was a pretty run of the mill mixed economy Keynesian when it came to economics.

I don't think collectivist-individualist is a very useful policy distinction either. Somebody could be a collectivist, but also think that free markets are better for the collective. Indeed, this is a key idea for third way socialists like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

[Antares]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

Took it again.

[TheLastMohican]

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Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41

[uncon]

I won't be able to grasp a system that puts Hitler and Stalin in different categories.

A fascist (Hitler) and a Communist (Stalin) are both extreme authoritarians and differ only in how they execute their authority.

That's why you see a lot of people (myself) that like Kucinich and Ron Paul (or even better, Gravel) even though they're left and right respectively - they're both relatively non-authoritarian. Even if they disagree personally, they can both be against authoritarianism just as Hitler and Stalin agreed.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - isn't it funny how most of the "liberals" are actually just moderate authoritarians? That's why you have liberals that want to outlaw smoking in public places - that's authoritarianism even though they're on the left.

Where you are on the authoritarianism scale is much more important that the left and right continuum to me.

[Lohengram]

A fascist (Hitler) and a Communist (Stalin) are both extreme authoritarians and differ only in how they execute their authority.

That's why you see a lot of people (myself) that like Kucinich and Ron Paul (or even better, Gravel) even though they're left and right respectively - they're both relatively non-authoritarian. Even if they disagree personally, they can both be against authoritarianism just as Hitler and Stalin agreed.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - isn't it funny how most of the "liberals" are actually just moderate authoritarians? That's why you have liberals that want to outlaw smoking in public places - that's authoritarianism even though they're on the left.

Where you are on the authoritarianism scale is much more important that the left and right continuum to me.

This is why I say this test isn’t accurate. "left" and "right" are inherently meaningless terms, what matters is if they're collectivists (or authoritarians if you prefer that word) or individualists (or liberal if you prefer that word) in both the social and economic spheres of people’s lives. Hitler and Stalin both wanted to control the social and economic lives of their people, the fact that the details of how they wanted to control their lives isn't relevant, they should be shoulder to shoulder in any chart.

You also say that "liberals" are authoritarians, they're not, it's just that in the USA an Orwellian style manipulation of language occurred where words are used regardless of their meaning and have their meaning changed. In the USA a liberal is called a libertarian; socialists are called liberals and marxists are called socialists.

[Latte]

This is why I say this test isn’t accurate. "left" and "right" are inherently meaningless terms, what matters is if they're collectivists (or authoritarians if you prefer that word) or individualists (or liberal if you prefer that word) in both the social and economic spheres of people’s lives. Hitler and Stalin both wanted to control the social and economic lives of their people, the fact that the details of how they wanted to control their lives isn't relevant, they should be shoulder to shoulder in any chart.

You also say that "liberals" are authoritarians, they're not, it's just that in the USA an Orwellian style manipulation of language occurred where words are used regardless of their meaning and have their meaning changed. In the USA a liberal is called a libertarian; socialists are called liberals and marxists are called socialists.

The "details" of how they controlled their lives is relevant to the degree of direct government control of economy sectors. Which is usually what is seen as economic socialism/libertarianism.

Going into semantics only derails discussions in non-fruitful ways. Commenting on what one thinks a person means (or asking (assking?), if there is trouble determining, for a clarification) is a more frictionless way of exchanging view on a subject than commenting on what one thinks the wording of a person should literally be interpreted as according to what one views as the correct meaning of the terms.

[uncon]

Hitler and Stalin both wanted to control the social and economic lives of their people, the fact that the details of how they wanted to control their lives isn't relevant, they should be shoulder to shoulder in any chart.

You also say that "liberals" are authoritarians, they're not, it's just that in the USA an Orwellian style manipulation of language occurred where words are used regardless of their meaning and have their meaning changed. In the USA a liberal is called a libertarian; socialists are called liberals and marxists are called socialists.

They ARE shoulder to shoulder on the authoritarian scale even though they have opposite beliefs otherwise. They're two sides on the same authoritarian coin. A steel boot on your head is a steel boot whether it's force abortions or forced pregnancy. Both are anathema to me.

I agree that we should really have one chart - an authoritarian one b/c it doesn't really matter what you believe about, e.g., abortion, it only matters whether or not you're going to force people to subscribe to your belief. If you have a "don't tread on me" disposition then I will get along with you fundamentally - if you're authoritarian I don't even care if you share my beliefs, that's not cool with me.

That's why I bring up outlawing smoking b/c it's a funny thing that authoritarian libs call for. We all know that Republicans (auth right wingers) are like this but it was an eye opener for me to realize that the left has their own version of it. I always knew I was left but I also knew that I abhorred communism and the political compass helped me realize the difference.

I didn't say that liberals were authoritarian but that they can be and that what passes for liberal in the US (e.g., Pelosi) is a lot more authoritarian than say Kucinich. That's why the left/right continuum, although not pointless, is less important to me than where there are on the authoritarian continuum.

[Lohengram]

The "details" of how they controlled their lives is relevant to the degree of direct government control of economy sectors. Which is usually what is seen as economic socialism/libertarianism.

Going into semantics only derails discussions in non-fruitful ways. Commenting on what one thinks a person means (or asking (assking?), if there is trouble determining, for a clarification) is a more frictionless way of exchanging view on a subject than commenting on what one thinks the wording of a person should literally be interpreted as according to what one views as the correct meaning of the terms.

The opposite of a master who commands you to jump to the left is not a master who commands you to jump to the right, it's not to have a master. The opposite of a dictator ordering me to build a pyramid into the sky is not a dictator ordering me to dig a hole to the centre of the earth. The details of how they control your life is utterly irrelevant, what should matter in the chart is whether they are collectivist (authoritarian) leaders, regardless of how they control people’s lives, or if they're individualists (liberals). Thinking the difference between collectivism and individualism is a semantic difference while the exact details of how one overlord rules your life compared to the differing commands of another overlord in BOTH your social and economic life is what is not merely semantic but utterly meaningless.

[Latte]

Yes, the 2 dimensions of the test can be regarded as degree of economic authoritarianism/liberalism & degree of social authoritarianism/liberalism.

The boat, bouyant.

[Mashy]

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[TheLastMohican]

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You have way too much time on your hands. :p

[tps]

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Economic Left/Right: 2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05

That's me.

[mnmeq]

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

[auriga vega]

Libertarian Left
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[Plastikcat]

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[Wind Reaper]

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[Mike]

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.54

My dot is pretty much in the center. Interesting.

[Thirdie]

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Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.64

Mhmmm...

[dalidaisy]

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[Mikko]

Based on this poll, INTJs are not conservative, after all...
Would be extremely interesting to see the same poll per each MBTI type.

Mine:
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In any quadrant tool the good stuff is placed in the upper right quadrant. So, one could assume that the makers of this tool have a certain attitude for picking values: what becomes negative and what positive in their questionnaire. ;)

[echo]

Another green zone INTJ.

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

[WratSpa]

Team Green

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[skycloud86]

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.59

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[The Psyentist]

I am TOTALLY a Capitalist Bloodsucker.

Libertarian Right!

[ph1L]

Economic Left/Right: 6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.46

Remarkable is the development:
2005:
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67
2007:
Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.82
2008:
Economic Left/Right: 4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05

[NamShub]

I would be libertarian left in the US, and libertarian right in Sweden. It has to do with what institutions have or have-not already been installed in either country.

Liberalism has no utopia, it is just a perspective you put on different challenges of evolving society. Therefore Liberalism might be left in one country and right in another.

[autumnphoenix]

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Hippie!

I'm one little square to the right of Wratspa :)

[pip]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder where our inhabitants fall upon the compass (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)....

My 'score':
Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

[Aristocrat Porn]

Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

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[Solus]

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.95

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[Pandemonium]

Ohh! I was characterised as an leftist libertarian. Viva la socialist revolution!

[phej]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

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[Morro]

Dead in the center of the green quarter among Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela and Gandhi. No surprise.

[khadi]

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28

[PHS Philip]

Let's see where I am this time.

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Exactly the same spot as last time. Meh

[Holiman]

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Im much more left than I would have thought.

[aku chi]

Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

Well, I'm certainly in the proper quadrant.

I suppose I turned up so moderate because I only strongly agreed or disagreed on a few of the questions. I expect I would more accurately fit further to the right and a little lower.

I don't think it's a coincidence that INTJs would tend towards the libertarian side on the authoritarian scale.

[paleoeco]

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

[Ither]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

[lechugita]

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

I think we are seeing a trend here.

[phej]

I think we are seeing a trend here.

Apparently my (E=3.50, A=-4.56) is the sticks-out-like-a-sore-thumb quadrant.

[Prunesquallor]

Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05
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[Josh Young]

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

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I kind of resent the test.
I despise both authoritarian and libertarian ethics and do not see them as opposites.
Likewise the positioning of left verses right implies some type of dynamic to the relationship between party ethics that does not, at least for me, exist. In other words I do not see left and right as being opposite in a political sense and I rather dislike both the liberal and the conservative ethics as well.

Politically I am a pragmatist.
I favor the nordic models of social democracy with a free market.
I favor democratic rule, wherein there is no representative structure that can entail the problems of sovereign rights.

[nuloki]

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Nearly the same point as the Dali Lama...how flattering :laugh:

[Hamburglar]

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

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I kind of resent the test.
I despise both authoritarian and libertarian ethics and do not see them as opposites.
Likewise the positioning of left verses right implies some type of dynamic to the relationship between party ethics that does not, at least for me, exist. In other words I do not see left and right as being opposite in a political sense and I rather dislike both the liberal and the conservative ethics as well.

Politically I am a pragmatist.
I favor the nordic models of social democracy with a free market.
I favor democratic rule, wherein there is no representative structure that can entail the problems of sovereign rights.
your test results are not inconsistent in that case.

[Lucid]

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Not surprising in the least. I'm a socialist libertarian :)

[phej]

Why in the world are there so few in the purple region? (I think we're referred to as bloodsucking capitalists, capitalist pigs, or something of that sort. Or worse, labeled as an Objectivist...)

This is not a rhetorical question.

[Hamburglar]

Libertarianism
First published Thu Sep 5, 2002; substantive revision Tue Mar 3, 2009

Libertarianism holds that agents initially fully own themselves and have moral powers to acquire property rights in external things under certain conditions. It is normally advocated as a theory of justice in the sense of the duties that we owe each other. So understood, it is silent about any impersonal duties (i.e., duties owed to no one) that we may have.

Libertarianism can be understood as a basic principle or as a derivative one. For example, one might defend libertarianism on the basis of rule utilitarianism or rule contractarianism (see, e.g., Narveson 1988). Here, however, we shall focus on libertarianism as a natural rights doctrine.

Libertarianism is often thought of as “right-wing” doctrine. This, however, is mistaken for at least two reasons. First, on social—rather than economic—issues, libertarianism tends to be “left-wing”. It opposes laws that restrict consensual and private sexual relationships between adults (e.g., gay sex, non-marital sex, and deviant sex), laws that restrict drug use, laws that impose religious views or practices on individuals, and compulsory military service. Second, in addition to the better-known version of libertarianism—right-libertarianism—there is also a version known as “left-libertarianism”. Both endorse full self-ownership, but they differ with respect to the powers agents have to appropriate unappropriated natural resources (land, air, water, etc.). Right-libertarianism holds that typically such resources may be appropriated by the first person who discovers them, mixes her labor with them, or merely claims them—without the consent of others, and with little or no payment to them. Left-libertarianism, by contrast, holds that unappropriated natural resources belong to everyone in some egalitarian manner. It can, for example, require those who claim rights over natural resources to make a payment to others for the value of those rights. This can provide the basis for a kind of egalitarian redistribution.[LINK (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)]

[commiedic]

Definetly a trend for INTJ's.

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08
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Hooray for hippies. I have always been this way. I already knew my outcome, but it was fun to take the test anyways.

[mur]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03

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.. btw:
i'm going to join the green socialist party (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

I invite every "green block" INTJ to join their local socialist party too!!

Let's make the difference - and change world for better :)

[Tocsin]

Interesting to see how they have graphed the U.S. political spectrum.

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It confirms what I've known and heard about the U.S. from people outside the U.S. for years.

The political spectrum here is not left liberal extremists vs. right authoritarian extremists, but right authoritarian extremists against other right authoritarians, who are only portrayed as left liberal extremists.

For all intensive purposes, the United States is a country governed by the authoritarian right, and the MSM just does the job is is ordered to do in trying to convince people that it really is a broad political spectrum, even though there's barely six degrees of separation between them.

[mur]

us political differences are who talks most dirty of each other. irrelevant things matter more than actual politics....

[ElstonGunn]

I'm more of a pinko than an anarchist, but I guess I'm pretty strong on both. :p

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[qsc]

For some reason I voted on this poll ages ago, but didn't actually post...

Anyway, my result:

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For quite a long time I hovered around the vertical axis (always below the centre though), but I seem to have shifted right since I last took the test!

[The Fury]

Economic Left/Right: -0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.28

Quite accurate.

[errrzarrr]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

That's the Center of the green square. Where I supposed it would be.


edti: Wait, What!? Obama on the blue square? It should be somewhere in the green square. or not?

also I saw Mr. Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -President of Spain- on the blue square. I am sure he belongs to the liberals and the left-wingm thus the green square.





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We should form a Intj's Left-Liberal Party here!

[opifex]

Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41

I actually thought I might be a little on the right (I would consider myself an independent), but then I remembered that being on the "right" in America isn't really as far right as the scale goes.

[Muadib]

I wound up just left of the line and up near the top of the graph

[Cincinnatus]

Economic Left/Right: 4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

[Bloobird]

All the way to the right and halfway down the libertarian quadrant. Fits because in reality I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

[lyrisk]

Quite accurate:

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[Carinthian]

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Slightly higher, and more right, than the last time.

[Nikita]

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Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.85

[LordCorbin]

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Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

[Mickehh]

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Thought I would be more right. Oh, well. I blame my capitalist-mom.

[JYFly]

Breaking the purple combo:

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Well, barely at least.

[Nomadic]

Another lefty libertarian here:

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

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[Tristan]

Let's see.

If 93.45% of us consider ourselves libertarian and 6.55% authoritarian, and let's say that it has an error margin of 5% when taken to reflect the rest of the population, then the terms "libertarian" and "authoritarian" are probably meaningless standards for testing.

The fact is: the word "authoritarian" connotes Hitler, tanks, and secret police. No one wants that, statistically speaking. From what I recall from this political compass test when I took it several years ago, it asked me (in so many words) how much I admire and agree with Hitler, tanks, and secret police. A pointless exercise meant to make the test taker feel good, and share with his friends how enlightened he is for hating Hitler, tanks, and secret police.

Authority exists. The bottom, libertarian half of that graph is loaded with control freaks. The anti-religion section is just as sanctimonious as the papacy, just in a different way. The test can't capture that, so it's meaningless. Few people actually enjoy being dominated by others (I'm not talking about kinky sex, I'm talking about Hitler, tanks, and secret police), but everyone wants their kind to be dominant. You don't need a test to affirm that.

I would prefer to see a test that separates "the people who recycle" from "the people who litter," so to speak, and other modernized standards for conformity, moral values, and responsibility.

[Gnome de Plume]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

[Coralaisly]

A quick guide to what this all means:

Upper Right (Blue): Fascist Pigs

Upper Left (Red): Commie Rats

Lower Right (Purple): Capitalist Bloodsuckers

Lower Left (Green): Hippie Perverts

;)


haha I guess that makes me a Capitalist Bloodsucker! mmm... blood... you think maybe I could get some fava beans with that? lol

[indelicate]

Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

[Aurelia]

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[alrightgame]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

I am very close in the middle of the graph, slightly below and very little to the right.

[meep]

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15
Hippie pervert. ;)

[Ben1220]

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[JaeMi]

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Economic Left/Right: 6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26
Capitalist bloodsucker =D

I can't believe I used to be on the green side... lol. Looking at the poll results, I think that the centre will need to be redefined as the new socially conservative and liberal must be lower than it was when the compass was created, due to society being inherently progressive.

[Titian]

Although I must admit that I enjoy sucking blood as much as the next person I am really a hippie pervert at heart.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

I consider myself an anarchist communist and this makes sense. I do agree that the test does not specifically target how authoritarian we would be in establishing our own politics versus how much we might reject Hitler, tanks, and secret police.

It seems to me that it might be logical to state that purple represents the most individual freedom. This allows for economic advancement based on personal free action irregardless of social consequence. I am not an extreme leftist in this but I am opposed to concentration of power whether it is economic or authoritarian. The resources of success are free to be used by the capable in either the right or left economic view but the difficulty of utilizing them is far greater in the right view where you must consider freedom has allowed for competition and thus dominance by any established economic power. So the right allows for more freedom to achieve dominance as well and this is no longer freedom for everyone but the left prevents dominance except by a standard of equality and thus offers the same freedom to everyone and not more to an individual. Individual freedom inevitably leads to authority by a percentage and often a minority of society. Collective freedom attempts fairness for all and to bring opportunities for success with collective benefit. The more powerful any one member becomes the more powerful the group becomes.

This appeals to me although I don't ask that others necessarily agree. This is why I often practice charity, do volunteer work, and believe in things like open source, the free exchange of information, and that scientific advancement should benefit everyone.

[Austin018]

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82

I guess I am moderately Left then; more left in economics than social issues, but I think its relatively accurate.

[Mullanaphy]

I'm a capitalist pervert.

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[Carpe Diem]

Moderate right, Strong libertarian.

[Fuego]

Libertarian Left...

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

[urglefloggah]

Capitalist bloodsucker ho!

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.59

Knowing the arrogance of the stereotypical INTJ, I am not surprised to find the predominance of those with a libertarian streak. That and no one wants to be called a authoritarian...

[Porter]

I wound up a lot closer to the authoritarian/libertarian axis than in the past, but still on the libertarian side. I was a lot stronger left than libertarian, but still only about halfway down from center.
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[pip]

Let's see.

If 93.45% of us consider ourselves libertarian and 6.55% authoritarian, and let's say that it has an error margin of 5% when taken to reflect the rest of the population, then the terms "libertarian" and "authoritarian" are probably meaningless standards for testing.

The fact is: the word "authoritarian" connotes Hitler, tanks, and secret police. No one wants that, statistically speaking. From what I recall from this political compass test when I took it several years ago, it asked me (in so many words) how much I admire and agree with Hitler, tanks, and secret police. A pointless exercise meant to make the test taker feel good, and share with his friends how enlightened he is for hating Hitler, tanks, and secret police.

Authority exists. The bottom, libertarian half of that graph is loaded with control freaks. The anti-religion section is just as sanctimonious as the papacy, just in a different way. The test can't capture that, so it's meaningless. Few people actually enjoy being dominated by others (I'm not talking about kinky sex, I'm talking about Hitler, tanks, and secret police), but everyone wants their kind to be dominant. You don't need a test to affirm that.

I would prefer to see a test that separates "the people who recycle" from "the people who litter," so to speak, and other modernized standards for conformity, moral values, and responsibility.

I get your meaning, but I don't think you have it quite right.
If this were the case then 93.45% of everyone everywhere by that very definition would fall below the main axis of that graph - the thing that puzzles me regarding this assertion is that almost all the people I've managed to badger into doing this little quizlet are actually above the axis (most annoyingly almost my entire family with the exceptions of my brother & myself).
The assertion that 90-odd% of people are just getting the result they want to see to make them feel better and/or superior etc. doesn't take into account all the people who have taken the test and not posted in here, which I imagine would be the vast majority of people who have run through it....

Interestingly (at least in my immediate area) people from my parents generation tend toward the red corner and my generation seems to prefer green.
After taking the test my mother (bless her) was christened "Our darlin' Stalin" for she landed almost on that exact spot. :laugh:

[AnnoyingPony]

*votes libertarian left*

Ok, technically I'm more of a minarchist. I'd personally like the freedom of a world without government or laws, but realistically we need a government to protect our property and stuff. :P

[Zodd]

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[Naga]

Libertarian leftist
moderate on both counts

[dungeonguy88]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21
Show graph on separate page for printing

Apparently, I'm Libertarian Left...not bad.

[Phonex]

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.67
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Every test has its outliers.

[Bones820]

The Political Compass:

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.23

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[HereticForLife]

Economic Left/Right: 4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

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Doesn't really surprise me that I'm in the same category as Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman...

[Antares]

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Took the test twice for the first time in at least a year. The second time, I moved left by one grid. -shrug-

[rwm4768]

Pretty much where I expected to be, moderate libertarian right.

Not sure how to get the image to post.

[occam]

Apologies if this has been posted before. Also it seems more appropriate here under politics rather than under the tests sub-forum since it forms an adjunct to the discussions here.

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I predict quite a heavy libertarian slant for INTJs but a mix between left and right economically. If inclined please explain your economic leanings.

[ischuldt]

I consider myself a left leaning libertarian. The reason is because while Liberals have some dumb ideas that can cause more problems than they solve. They are truley and honestly trying to make the world a better place for everyone to live in.

Republicans on the other hand have some ok ideas that if implemented would probably make the world a better place for everyone, but in general Republicans are trying to make the world a better place for REPUBLICANS to live in and that's it. Everyone else can pretty much go screw themselves.

With respect to economic specifically though. I agree with most libertarian philosophy of smaller government, less regulation, and lower taxes. However the problem I see with it is that they ignore the Law of Diminishing returns.

Basically the LODR if you didn't know means when trying to acheive a goal, at first a very small amount of work towards that goal can get you a long way, but after awhile it takes a very large amount of work to obtain even a small return on your investment towards that goal. At some point the amount of work you're doing is not worth the outcome your getting.

The same is true about regulation. A very small amount can go a long way towards improving the stability of our overal economy. However there's a point where a ton of regulation doesn't really improve things that much. At some point the regulation actually begins to cause more problems than it solves.

I believe most liberals want to take the regulation to far. However most libertarians don't seem to want any at all. Neither of these positions is realistic, I think there are some things that would benifit from some deregulation, and some others that would benifit from a little bit more.

So economically I tend to lean just a little bit more left of libertarian. However when it comes to personal issues i'm almost dead on libertarian.

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also this test is kind of dumb and unnecessary. Alot of those questions could be confusing or at least easily mis answered. I got to page 3 and quit. The best tool I've ever seen for this is 10 questions long, and pretty much hits the nail on the head. here's a link to it.

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[occam]

The LODR also works for taxation, a little bit as long as it is spent on commerce enabling infrastructure, roads, ports, electricity is a good thing. Past a certain point taxation causes a lowering of living standards and less growth.

I agree with your comments about the test, some of the questions are frustrating. But you should finish it since you sound like a right-leaning libertarian.

Sorry, I am confused by some of your terminology, Liberals vs liberals vs Republicans (I am Canadian). I associate classical liberalism with libertarianism, while in Canada Liberal refers to a big-government, high tax regime.

[phoboser]

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08

[LogicallyDriven]

Economic Left/Right: -2.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.9

Now, the results I obtained from taking the test that ischuldt are as follows:
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%

Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%

Quite a difference in results between the two test. First test places me as a moderate right leaning libertarian and the second test places me as a staunch libertarian. I personally think both test are good tools for those that are not sure of where their political ideals lay, but I would not consider them to have any amount of accuracy in pin pointing a person's political tendencies on a graph.

[freeeekyyy]

Right-libertarian here. On that scale I place right about the same spot as Milton Friedman. I've taken that test multiple times and don't want to again so I don't have my exact numbers.

[ischuldt]

Sorry, I am confused by some of your terminology, Liberals vs liberals vs Republicans (I am Canadian). I associate classical liberalism with libertarianism, while in Canada Liberal refers to a big-government, high tax regime.

In America Liberal refers to more taxes, more big government with respect to the economy(although not much more than the conservative party realistically), but less government intervention with respect to social issues. So like drug use, sexual discourse, abortion, and other things that Religious people would tend to try and regulate, liberals are more open to letting people have freedom in those respects.

Republicans(Conservatives) would tend to agree with libertarians more with respect to the Economy, but when it comes to social causes they favor a more restrictive religious type approach. They are also more for using violence to solve problems.

Liberalism isn't really associated with libertarianism much in America any more. It's more or less a word that Conservatives have tried to make into a dirty word.

Based on what little I know about Canadian political arrangments I would tend to think that Liberals in Canada are actually far more Socialist big government leaning than Liberals in America. If you're a right leaning libertarian in Canada my guess would be you'd be a straight down the center libertarian in America. The right in America has really been hijacked by Religious fundementalists. Only recently have they started to embrace some of their more libertarian economic tendencies, but it's still just a lot of wack jobs.

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Economic Left/Right: -2.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.9

Now, the results I obtained from taking the test that ischuldt are as follows:
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%

Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%

Quite a difference in results between the two test. First test places me as a moderate right leaning libertarian and the second test places me as a staunch libertarian. I personally think both test are good tools for those that are not sure of where their political ideals lay, but I would not consider them to have any amount of accuracy in pin pointing a person's political tendencies on a graph.

Yeah that's another reason I don't exactly care for the original test. There seemed to be a lot of questions that are designed to slant you more right then there should be. I'm guessing if I took it I'd get something slightly more right leaning to which is false.

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So I finished your test.

Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

That's probably not to far off.

[Ryujin]

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I'm pretty moderate on most things, but socially liberal, so all those sex/religion questions average me a bit on the left I guess. Seems correct.

[kyle]

I want to add an image but the site won't let me, I score as a nationalist


edit: sorry for bumping what was probably an old thread. I just want a 2 post count.

[Anhedonic Lake]

Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

[Bobsama]

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[masterpeach]

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Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69

I had expected me to be more authoritarian right winged...

[Hinun]

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I'm pretty moderate on most things, but socially liberal, so all those sex/religion questions average me a bit on the left I guess. Seems correct.

Got the same and I have similar sentiments.

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I had expected me to be more authoritarian right winged...


The ironic part is a lot of people who consider themselves "conservative" aren't as conservative as they think when you think about the Glenn Beck's of the world.

[Vulkan]

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[Athene]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

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[nabokov]

Libertarian right.

[Strangelove]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74
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I wouldn't call myself a libertarian though. They are way too extreme on economic issues. I don't fully trust the government but I don't exactly trust corporations either or "the free market" to always work towards people's benefit- but I generally don't support paying high taxes for useless endeavors.. so being a centrist in that area makes sense.
I'm a hardcore social leftist. I think the government has no right to be involved- especially since it creates false social order.. a social order not many people are happy with.

[Thor]

It seems I'm like Milton Friedman.

Economic Left/Right: 7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23.

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