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Lagawrd
04-28-2008, 08:50 PM
I have a studder. I have had one since I was a kid. Who has this? It does not come from shyness, nor embarassment, or any of that sort. I am rather relaxed, and outgoing. The best I can explain is, my mind is working faster than my physical mouth's movement, and the my mouth tries to speak about something that mind has already went through. Do you have any experience in this, or know anything about this?
It is not so bad anymore, I have some control over it, but it still sometimes slips. Picture yourself having a good train of thought, speaking fluently and nicely, and all of the sudden your mouth just cannot pronounce the beginning letter of a word. Such words that begin with the letter, 'A' 'U' 'S' 'G' are the most I studder with.
bubbles
04-28-2008, 09:05 PM
I stutter a lot, too, mostly when I am stressed. It usually happens when what I am saying is different from what I am saying. I am often undecided on what to say and will think of several things to say at once, but I can only say one thing at a time. I thought I might have Asperger's Syndrome or something, but I guess not. I would like to know what causes stuttering too.
Grizzly
04-29-2008, 01:33 AM
I still stutter at times when I'm flustered or stressed, but the problem seems to have dissapeared.
I think its just related to shyness, or the mind moving faster than the tongue and teeth can keep up with.
Homini Lupus
04-29-2008, 05:37 AM
I do often. Sometimes because I can't actually find the right, exact word for what I'm thinking.
Also, most of the people doesn't understand what I say since they're not used to proper language.
I guess my problem is that my thinking skills are faster than my grammar skills.
vaguely dissatisfied
04-29-2008, 05:46 AM
Do you think it may have something to do with the connection within the brain between the area where the thought of what to say is formed and the speech processing centre?
gogurtdynasty
04-29-2008, 10:26 AM
er i stutter and it drives me crazy....
I'll be mid sentence and it turns into word salad I have to stop for a second and just start over calmly
its usually when i get really excited about something whether it be positive or negative
It's good to know that I'm not the only stuttering adult!
Lagawrd
04-29-2008, 12:32 PM
Yes, it is extremely annoying. It is not about shyness like I said, or any emotional stress. The first letter just does not come out. I can formulate the word, I can imagine and spell out the word visually, I can say the word in my head, but it would not come out. I need to take a few breaths before I can try to say it again. I have no problem with public speaking, I usually present my speech rather smooth at times, but at times it just freezes. From the outside according to the audience, it would look like I forgot what I was saying, but internally I am fighting.
gogurtdynasty
04-29-2008, 12:39 PM
I am the same way with public speaking I can do it just fine and nobody notices when i slip up but the whole time i'm absolutely freaking out
vaguely dissatisfied
04-29-2008, 02:59 PM
Yes, it is extremely annoying. It is not about shyness like I said, or any emotional stress. The first letter just does not come out. I can formulate the word, I can imagine and spell out the word visually, I can say the word in my head, but it would not come out. I need to take a few breaths before I can try to say it again. I have no problem with public speaking, I usually present my speech rather smooth at times, but at times it just freezes. From the outside according to the audience, it would look like I forgot what I was saying, but internally I am fighting.
This sounds so much like a neural dissconnect in the brain.
My voice cracks a lot, and I stutter when I get stressed. I have the same problem with my train of thoughts being faster than speech, but I am getting more used to it.
Lagawrd
04-29-2008, 05:49 PM
This sounds so much like a neural dissconnect in the brain.
Hmm, neural dissconnect? What kind of dissconnect? between "the thought of what to say is formed and the speech processing centre"?
Maybe, but if that was the case would it not stay constant? Because my problem has been going and coming randomly. I also have gotten alot better. I have yet to notice any patterns in my life style that would affect my speech. Sometimes, I would be speaking like a bird, other times i would be fighting to speak. Sriv is correct in one thing, you do get used to it, and start to control it. I am starting to do so however.
I just never got to know how stuttering happens. I am not not counting on getting my answer from here, but I do know I would get some insight.
Xenolar
04-29-2008, 07:07 PM
On whole, I do not stutter.
However, I have found myself to stammer when under a great deal of anxiety (most notably if I have to speak publicly) or if I am overly excited about something.
vaguely dissatisfied
04-30-2008, 04:28 AM
Hmm, neural dissconnect? What kind of dissconnect? between "the thought of what to say is formed and the speech processing centre"?
Maybe, but if that was the case would it not stay constant? Because my problem has been going and coming randomly. I also have gotten alot better. I have yet to notice any patterns in my life style that would affect my speech. Sometimes, I would be speaking like a bird, other times i would be fighting to speak. Sriv is correct in one thing, you do get used to it, and start to control it. I am starting to do so however.
I just never got to know how stuttering happens. I am not not counting on getting my answer from here, but I do know I would get some insight.
I don't know a thing about stuttering, but I do know that you can form new neural pathways in the brain......that's how we learn and remember. So it would make sense that you could possibly learn to get around the problem by literally forming new synapses over time. This would allow a connect between the areas of the brain that were not connecting before.
It's like when you're trying to think of someone's name and you feel like 'it's right on the tip of your tongue', but you can't think of it no matter how hard you try. Then you go off and think about something else and the name comes to you without any effort. This happens because whatever synapses that are firing when you are trying so hard to remember that name are the wrong pathways to the information you are looking for. When you stop firing these 'wrong' synapses, then the 'right' ones are allowed to come into play. This doesn't happen every time you try to remember a name.
SmileyMan
04-30-2008, 08:52 AM
I stutter some, and I find it very annoying. I don't know why, but it seems like my brain is thinking faster than my tongue is moving.
E.g.: Tongue is moving to produce the sounds of #1, while my brain is thinking of #3. This somehow interferes with my tongue, which stops pronouncing #1 and starts with #3 from where it left #1; resulting in a delicious word-salad. Sometimes I mix up whole words, and not just the sounds of the letters. It only happens when I'm thinking about something very difficult.
ShaiGar
04-30-2008, 09:11 AM
I stutter as well, I am also Dyslexic
Motor Jax
04-30-2008, 11:23 AM
i have a tendency to stutter sometimes
and my brother (i only have one sibling) used to stutter like crazy when we were growing up, and i think he still has a tendency to stutter sometimes even now
he's also diagnosed with ADHD, and from observation, an ISTJ
Cynical
04-30-2008, 03:40 PM
Lagawrd, I thought I was the only one with that problem!
I find it so frustrating. I don't even know when it started happening because honestly I don't remember having this problem back then. I've always just ignored the fact that my brain was thinking faster. I thought it'd probably go away within a month or so - but It never really went away.
I find it a bit comforting to know that I'm not the ONLY one who this happens to.
demvesalius
04-30-2008, 09:40 PM
When I was a child in elementary school I was put into a speech therapy class because of my stuttering, which was really bad. My speech therapist taught me to slow down and gather my thoughts before speaking and I eventually became a clear speaker. Even today, when I'm about to graduate college, I still find myself about to stutter or stuttering when I get excited about something I want to say.
I find myself in the exact same situation as Lagawrd when doing speeches...interesting.
Erika Redmark
04-30-2008, 09:54 PM
I stutter sometimes, but not very often…a bigger problem for me is a tendency not to speak clearly enough when reading aloud, from trying to go too fast and read at the same speed I read in my head.
I also sometimes start a sentence over if I think of a better way to express my thought that has a different syntactic structure than what I've just started saying.
ssrprotege
05-01-2008, 12:17 AM
I stutter a lot when I am really tired, stressed. I stutter when I get afraid that things that I am talking about are going out of my control, too. Sometimes I think fast and that thoughts are "somewhere" in the brain. Like Lagawrd, that happens to me too.
quest ion
05-01-2008, 09:20 AM
I used to stutter alot! It has improved a lot now. But sometimes, for some reason I'm not too sure if it's stress or excitement (definitely not shyness), I can't speak what I had intended to. It just got stuck or something. It's a horrible feeling like I'm psycho or something. Haha. Then with some difficulty, I try to construct the sentence in another way like start with a different word or something so as to get my point out.
Hah.
Ytterbium
05-01-2008, 12:09 PM
I must think through first what I want to say and then how to say it. Usually I don't so words become mispronunced, stumbled or in wrong order.
Rocky
05-02-2008, 01:28 PM
I never used to stutter, until I got to middle school and suddenly I started to do it. I stutter whenever I'm stressed, giving presentations in front of class, or if my mind is moving faster than my mouth. I should look into it, I don't think stuttering should just pop up out of nowhere like that.
DrEast
05-02-2008, 01:55 PM
I stutter, I stumble, I use words that SOUND like the word I had in mind but are in fact are completely wrong, I mispronounce words even when I know how they're supposed to be pronounced (my worst case: "rapport") , I'll even use words that SOUND like words that are actually similar in definition to words I mean to use but are in fact of the wrong connotation, or SOUND like a mispronunciation of the word I had in mind... not that it matters, because at that point I've completely lost my audience.
Half the time after I make a post here I'll jump to dictionary.com to make sure the word I used meant what I thought it did. But the problem doesn't seem to crop up in my writing, just when I talk.
INTJ's, like most N's, learn words contextually, too, so there may be a time where I'll use a word that I mis-defined from context and lurked in my subconscious until the time came to embarrass myself. That's not happened as much recently as it did when I was a teenager, though.
azelismia
05-02-2008, 02:03 PM
I stutter, I stumble, I use words that SOUND like the word I had in mind but are in fact are completely wrong, I mispronounce words even when I know how they're supposed to be pronounced (my worst case: "rapport") , I'll even use words that SOUND like words that are actually similar in definition to words I mean to use but are in fact of the wrong connotation, or SOUND like a mispronunciation of the word I had in mind... not that it matters, because at that point I've completely lost my audience.
Half the time after I make a post here I'll jump to dictionary.com to make sure the word I used meant what I thought it did. But the problem doesn't seem to crop up in my writing, just when I talk.
INTJ's, like most N's, learn words contextually, too, so there may be a time where I'll use a word that I mis-defined from context and lurked in my subconscious until the time came to embarrass myself. That's not happened as much recently as it did when I was a teenager, though.
yeah this sounds like me, although I don't actually stutter, I stop short of that I stammer. My worst words are Canada and Sequim. Canada not so much anymore but up until my twenties it often came out Caan ahh da, even though I knew better. sequim is a local place name. I pronounce it see qwee um. it's actually skwim. You didn't include combining words though, I also do that. I'll have a paragraph that in my head that needs to be delivered. I end up mushing words together that I didn't mean to. it comes out sounding like word salad. I have to remind myself to breath deep and slow down.
DrEast
05-02-2008, 02:08 PM
yeah this sounds like me, although I don't actually stutter, I stop short of that I stammer. My worst words are Canada and Sequim. Canada not so much anymore but up until my twenties it often came out Caan ahh da, even though I knew better. sequim is a local place name. I pronounce it see qwee um. it's actually skwim. You didn't include combining words though, I also do that. I'll have a paragraph that in my head that needs to be delivered. I end up mushing words together that I didn't mean to. it comes out sounding like word salad. I have to remind myself to breath deep and slow down.
Oh yes. Talking WAY too fast, which will shock people, since when I don't have anything to say I generally don't say much at all. When I DO have something to say, they tend to get a glazed look as the verbiage spills over them.
Rocky
05-02-2008, 02:25 PM
Same here for talking fast. I noticed I either talk way too fast or slow, there's no middle ground.
Lagawrd
05-02-2008, 02:59 PM
When did you guys start learning how to speak?
azelismia
05-02-2008, 04:00 PM
When did you guys start learning how to speak?
8 mos
There is a lot of information on the net including forums for overcoming stuttering.
Double Victory
05-03-2008, 09:30 AM
I'm with everyone else here. I don't usually have much to say, but when I do it just all comes out in a jumbled mess. Both my INTJ brother and I have this problem, while my non-INTJ siblings don't. What makes the stutter annoying is that half the time it occurs when I'm trying to make a sarcastic or biting comment.
@DrEast: I also have the problem of randomly using words with meanings I'm not sure of. They usually end up meaning what I meant them to.... but sometimes the mistake is glaringly obvious later. For example, at one point in my life I remember trying to say someone was a "voracious eater," but I instead said that they were a "voluptuous eater."
Vocabulary is a really weird thing for me. Sometimes I'll be in an intelligent mood, and I'll just be swinging out huge words left and right, and sometimes I can barely form basic elementary school sentences. Usually the elementary school sentences are the ones that come out on in-class essay questions.... That is the only time I am ever grateful that the majority of the population sucks when it comes to English.
Lagawrd
05-03-2008, 09:44 AM
There is a lot of information on the net including forums for overcoming stuttering.
I am aware there are many tips on how to get rid of the stutter online and in real life. However, that is not my motive of bringing it up. Besides these tips do not really work. It is alot harder then they make it out to be. Getting rid of it is better done on your own.
What makes the stutter annoying is that half the time it occurs when I'm trying to make a sarcastic or biting comment.
Very true.
schwartzie
05-03-2008, 12:33 PM
I have a studder. I have had one since I was a kid. Who has this? It does not come from shyness, nor embarassment, or any of that sort. I am rather relaxed, and outgoing. The best I can explain is, my mind is working faster than my physical mouth's movement, and the my mouth tries to speak about something that mind has already went through. Do you have any experience in this, or know anything about this?
When I'm speaking with very high energy, am improvising what to say, and have to be very precise and accurate, I do this. It feels exactly like you describe, that the machinery isn't keeping up.
schwartzie added to this post, 4 minutes and 56 seconds later...
... It usually happens when ... I am often undecided on what to say and will think of several things to say at once, but I can only say one thing at a time. .
Yeah--that's part of it for me, too.
Phoenixrainn
05-04-2008, 11:26 PM
I guess I don't "stutter" but as others have said, I stammer. And like others, I think far to fast for my mouth. So I will have to start over, of course this becomes more profound when I am excited. And I naturally talk very very fast. This is greatly due to the fact that I have a very large family, and talking slow wasn't an option if you wanted something heard.
spiritdetectivegirl
05-04-2008, 11:30 PM
I used to stutter when I was younger. I was told it was because I thought words faster than I could speak them.
I am the only child out of three who did this. I am also the only intj child in this household as well.
Now I stammer, more than I would like to. I have to really think out my words for them to come out correctly without any slurs of the speech.
It's annoying.
I guess it's because I don't like talking much, and that when I do speak I try to get my point across as quickly as possible, and it just comes out either too low, or in a vast array of quickly mummbled words. Most times missaid too.
IgnoranceIsKind
05-05-2008, 01:17 AM
I used to stutter a hell lot when I was younger. I was always fluent, and this is amplified whenever I'm with a small group of friends. The ease I feel around close friends who are somewhat used to my eccentricities understand my radical and abolitionist ideas and so I'm not worried about how I would appeal to them in speech. However when it comes down to the situation where there are too many people, or if people are expecting a convincing arugment of me, I would get nervous and the stutter would surface. This is usually accompanied with speaking at superhuman speeds. All clear signs pointing to a very nervous speaker - which is my worry, because in order to get through your audience's defences, you must be confident and forceful.
Performance anxiety, if you would.
It happens during casual conversations as well. I've noticed and this is especially the case whenever I think as I speak, which I suppose is somewhat similar to yours.
I think a very plausible solution is to think through, very thoroughly, about your piece before expounding it. You won't have to worry about making mistakes in your pieces, and thinking also allows you to ease yourself.
As you get used to this practice, it becomes a habit on instinct. Stuttering should no longer be a problem.
But of course, this is just theoratical. In practice it may be alot of harder but I guess it's worth a shot!
Jedi_sena
05-05-2008, 02:02 PM
I never stuttered, but I tend to ramble through a story including endless details that while important to my own experience, have little interest to my audience. However, when I am upset and making a point, I suddenly express myself in the most concise and persuasive and fluid manner. Then I think, where does that come from!?!?
intellael
11-08-2008, 01:07 PM
When tired, I stammer rather than stutter. My thoughts flow faster than my ability to release them when low on energy.
enWTFp
11-08-2008, 05:21 PM
I may happen to stutter occasionally only while doing a very creative process. If my thinking overtakes the place, my brain doesn't leave sufficient attention to proper expression.
Like a few of the other posters, I get whole words mixed up as opposed to the letters at the start of certain words. This happens when I have several options of saying something, and I can't seem to separate them before I speak. Sentences become stilted, three or four words at a time that I still get wrong, no matter how slowly I try to talk. It usually happens when I'm talking with someone I feel "superior" to me (yes, probably a self-confidence issue) but also when I'm tired, hungry, annoyed, or distracted. Mm. Most of the time, then!
I'm not dyslexic, and I don't (think I) do it with written stuff.
Pandemonium
11-08-2008, 07:15 PM
I don't know if this counts as stuttering; Sometimes when i speak i my mind the words come out correctly with the right pronunciation and grammar but in fact i just said a whole heaps of incoherent words that sound like i'm speaking a different language and often i do use words from different languages in sentences. I only realize this when someone says "huh? What did you just say?" I went to a psychologist about this once but there were no conclusions. I attribute this to not speaking until a until later age than normal.
Some leading professionals (ha!) on tv say that there is a correlation between speaking at a later age and intelligence. Highlighting that the later a child that learn's to speak at a later age is less intelligent. Well i have proved that one severely wrong XD. I duxed my high school and had 4th highest grades in the sate.
There was several environmental factors to take into account such as my twin brother being a very loud and vocal person and apparently an idiot. Early childhood role designation. In my mind words are constructed by chains of syllables not the parameters defined by our language. I believe that's why i picked up Japanese easily.
Reading is a different system to me entirely. When i read i see different highlights in each word in different at different stages of the word, hence i create a chain of code to understand what I'm reading. The same strategy is used when observing people's body language and depicting people's pitch,tone and syllable elongations. I never did learn phonetics. In the early grades of school i was ignored because of the whole not wanting to speak.
If i do get excited i have to calm myself down when i do speak. I am an excellent public speaker. I believe the answer that solves the dilemma is practice.
searcher
11-09-2008, 12:37 AM
I have to think things through several times before I say them or I generally stutter.
Mind you...even when I manage to do that, I still stutter occasionally.
It is extremely annoying to have to stop half way through a sentence, try several times to pronouce a word properly with someone staring at you with a "gedonwifit" look on their face and then remember the rest of your sentence.
Oddly enough, I'm generally fine with public speaking (stutterwise) and with being put on the spot in front of an audience.
It's like my brain can't do things properly unless I DON'T think about them.
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