Changing Gender

[rwyatt365]

This thought occurred to me as I was posting to a thread on masturbation; if you could change to the opposite sex would you? Have you ever thought about this as a possibility?

This thought came after reading posts to the effect of, "If I had a [blank] I would [blank], and I thought about how I wished that I was a girl when I was a child. I grew up as the middle child with two sisters. My father was a doctor (an ObGyn) who delivered babies all day and all night, and consequently was rarely home. My childhood was highly "feminized" and I got the impression that women were the natural state of things. Girl-stuff was the norm, boy-stuff was out of place. Girls were cool, boys were yucky. So, wanting to be a girl was "normal".

When I discovered that penis' were fun too, I didn't feel so bad (that's a pun folks). But I never completely got away from the nagging thought that girls had it better than guys. Yeah, I know about all of the trials and tribulations of femininity, but dammit, you ladies have a whole lot of perks that make up for some of that!

So, any other confused-gender people here?

Someone?

anyone?

please...

[DrEast]

I wouldn't ever want to be female. Far too much biological effort goes into reproduction.

[rwyatt365]

I wouldn't ever want to be female. Far too much biological effort goes into reproduction.
Yeah, but at the time (age 9-ish) I wasn't thinking about having babies. All I saw was lots of attention, brightly-colored clothes and the feel of cool, smooth silk-like underwear. All I got as a boy was being ignored, corduroy pants, and tighty-whities. :thumbsdown:

[HeterodoxRobot]

Being a *girl* rocks. Being a *woman* sucks.

I have "battled" with the annoying aspects inherent to my sex and gender, since puberty. (Oh yeah, yay for menses!!!)

Estrogen is one heavy mother of a hormone and its effects gets in the way of things, namely clear thinking, lol, joke.

I've identified with boys/men my whole life and have always been somewhat of a tomboy. I definitely believe that guys have it a helluva lot easier than us gals. It seems, in general, that men are more capable of detaching themselves from people and are therefore more able to pursue their personal goals. It is difficult to care for the people you love while simultaneously focusing on accomplishing your dreams. I don't know...

Anyhow, if I were me but a guy, I think I would be unstoppable.

*sighs*

[rwyatt365]

I hear you Hetero, and sympathize as well. But Testosterone is a bitch too (how's that for and oxymoron?)! Sometimes it's dreadfully difficult to resist the urge to kick someone's ass just because they did something that started your blood to boil. Clear thinking when "the red mist" settles? I don't think so.

I wonder sometimes if the whole "male emotional detatchment" thing is more cultural and tempermental than it is gender-based. Hetero, you seem like a focused, driven individual, one not to be detoured by trivialities or foolishness. You seem to be pretty unstoppable right now IMHO.

[Taberculosis]

Hmmm I think being a chick is fine.

However, it's more socially acceptable for guys to sleep around that it is for girls. So I'd like to be a guy so I could fuck people and not get shit about it.

But...... I feel like having a penis would be annoying. Isn't it like always in the way?

[rwyatt365]

Nah, it's pretty handy the way it retracts when not in use. :thumbsup:

[Jgib5328]

Men have almost every advantage socially and have an easier time biologically. Why would I want to be a girl?

[TheLastMohican]

I certainly prefer being male. But then, the fact that I am male is probably what keeps me from wanting to be female. Just the thought of being female repels me (not that I have a problem with other people being females).

Hetero, you seem like a focused, driven individual, one not to be detoured by trivialities or foolishness. You seem to be pretty unstoppable right now IMHO.
She can be stopped only by me. ;)

(I'm way ahead of you all on my world domination plans.)

[thod]

Can i swap just for a day?

I have always wanted to know what a multiple orgasm feels like. My hand go straight down my pants.

[rwyatt365]

I have a theory that an intelligent, creative woman can get whatever she wants from any man by playing him like a fiddle. It goes way beyond batting eyelashes and showing cleavage - it's a game that some women have perfected to an artform.

The basic premise is that most (if not all) men will do just about anything for a shot at the vagoo (thanks ShaiGar for that word - my new fave). And a female that knows that, and uses that to her advantage can get anything that they want. I know it sounds crude, and it's my own theory, but I think that there is a body of evidence that stretches back to the first amoeba that got tired of unicellular division.

I personally also believe that men created this male-centric society simply as a response to that "fact" as a way to retain some semblance of power. If you girls had social, political, and financial dominance AND the "power of the vagoo" then where would us poor guys be? No! We would lose all of our self-respect were that to happen. So, we fought back and placed you ladies under subjection - knowing all along it's all a sham. We're like puppets on a string.

Just my opinion.

[HeterodoxRobot]

Sexually, I love being a girl. So yeah, no complaints in that department.

rwyatt, you crack me up!!!

I think it's Quut, when under the influence of testosterone, guys act all huffy and puffy and are reduced to their Neanderphallic ways, (harhar just made that up, stoopid).

My estrogen is my bestestwestest friend!!! Crying for no apparent reason, feeling an intense whirlwind of seemingly incongruent emotions, i.e., he loves me, I hate him, I'm :), I'm :( , wanting to rip out your hair and scream, feeling the sudden need to verbally rip your SO to shreds because he doesn't understand your needs, caring too much, not caring at all, despair, puppies, thoughts of being pretty, fears of wretched age, oh, and having to deal with the psychological phenomenon of "I feel fat" days.

*sighs*

Yeah, estrogen rocks!!!

[Uytuun]

Well, the INTJ female unites best of both worlds, no? ;)

[HeterodoxRobot]

I have a theory that an intelligent, creative woman can get whatever she wants from any man by playing him like a fiddle. It goes way beyond batting eyelashes and showing cleavage - it's a game that some women have perfected to an artform.

The basic premise is that most (if not all) men will do just about anything for a shot at the vagoo (thanks ShaiGar for that word - my new fave). And a female that knows that, and uses that to her advantage can get anything that they want. I know it sounds crude, and it's my own theory, but I think that there is a body of evidence that stretches back to the first amoeba that got tired of unicellular division.

I personally also believe that men created this male-centric society simply as a response to that "fact" as a way to retain some semblance of power. If you girls had social, political, and financial dominance AND the "power of the vagoo" then where would us poor guys be? No! We would lose all of our self-respect were that to happen. So, we fought back and placed you ladies under subjection - knowing all along it's all a sham. We're like puppets on a string.

Just my opinion.
I agree with you one hundred percent and am thoroughly annoyed by my apparent inability to let myself do this.

If I wanted to I could "get" a lot from men, but, eh, I dunno I'm just not interested in "getting" things from them.

I wish I had the balls, harhar, to capitalize on what my physical attractiveness could bring but I just couldn't do it, which sucks because I don't see anything ethically wrong in doing this, but just so happen to have a personal preference not to.

:rolleyes:

[rwyatt365]

In the words of the Mounds candy-bar commercial from back in the day, "Don't fight it, surrender..." :thumbsup:

[EsoteriEccentri]

My Dad did. I reckon my Dad is an INTP. She's the most amazing, intelligent and interesting person.
But she's not just female now, she's a lesbian!
So what?
Still an amazing person.
She just didn't feel comfortable in a male body, there's nothing wrong with that.

Of course, I don't call her "Dad" anymore. ^^

[rwyatt365]

My estrogen is my bestestwestest friend!!! Crying for no apparent reason, feeling an intense whirlwind of seemingly incongruent emotions, i.e., he loves me, I hate him, I'm :), I'm :( , wanting to rip out your hair and scream, feeling the sudden need to verbally rip your SO to shreds because he doesn't understand your needs, caring too much, not caring at all, despair, puppies, thoughts of being pretty, fears of wretched age, oh, and having to deal with the psychological phenomenon of "I feel fat" days.

*sighs*

Yeah, estrogen rocks!!!
I once had a g/f that was all of 95lbs soaking wet. I just stared at her incoherently when she said, "I'm not fat, am I?" ("Yeah, babe, your toenails are gettin' kinda chunky.")

[Mozzes]

I wouldn't be interested in changing gender, but I did try a thought experiment once where I attempted to imagine what it would be like for me to be female. Though, even imagining myself as female I couldn't manage to be attracted to males so I was a lesbian. I basically ended up where I am now sans beard and male reproductive parts.

Now that I mention it I wonder what the hell it is females see in us anyways.

[TheLastMohican]

Well, the INTJ female unites best of both worlds, no? ;)
Yep. ;)

[rwyatt365]

I wouldn't be interested in changing gender, but I did try a thought experiment once where I attempted to imagine what it would be like for me to be female. Though, even imagining myself as female I couldn't manage to be attracted to males so I was a lesbian. I basically ended up where I am now sans beard and male reproductive parts.

Now that I mention it I wonder what the hell it is females see in us anyways.
LOL

Yeah, other than the sex-thing I don't see much that's attractive about the prototypical male. That lean, muscular look is hard and angular and not terribly esthetically pleasing (at least, not to me, but I expect it wouldn't be).

Women, on the other hand, are smooth and curvilinear, with graceful flowing lines. Even women to either side of the "normal curve" retain those qualities, whereas a skinny guy or a plump guy become significantly less attractive on the whole (again, to me).

[Motor Jax]

i grew up totally a guy

ummm...

*trying to imagine being a chick*


well, i was raised on being male...

maybe, i'm not much help here



*tries to seance technique*

[Mozzes]

LOL

Yeah, other than the sex-thing I don't see much that's attractive about the prototypical male. That lean, muscular look is hard and angular and not terribly esthetically pleasing (at least, not to me, but I expect it wouldn't be).

Women, on the other hand, are smooth and curvilinear, with graceful flowing lines. Even women to either side of the "normal curve" retain those qualities, whereas a skinny guy or a plump guy become significantly less attractive on the whole (again, to me).

I think it'd due to the way brains are wired. Why do you find women attractive? There's no good answer. You just do. So, why do women find men attractive? It's probably got something to do with 3.5 billion years of evolution.

[rwyatt365]

i grew up totally a guy

ummm...

*trying to imagine being a chick*


well, i was raised on being male...

maybe, i'm not much help here



*tries to seance technique*
You want to be a female, you want to be a female, when I snap my fingers, you are Paris Hilton! *snap* :stunned: :gorgeous:

[DrEast]

Nah, it's pretty handy the way it retracts when not in use. :thumbsup:

And yet, yes, it still manages to get in the way. A lot. Not necessarily literally, but metaphorically.

[HeterodoxRobot]

Now that I mention it I wonder what the hell it is females see in us anyways.
More than what's there I suppose.

*dons feminazi hat and steel toe boots*

It is odd, men are quite simple yet I find them puzzling. It's as if guys go out of their way to make things more complicated in their attempt to assure the most efficient way. :thinking: And why must they be so stubborn? And obvious too!!! Men are the *worst* liars.

Men are frustrating creatures, lucky them we have this, like, um, biological imperative to like, um... mate, er, tolerate them. :laugh:

[rwyatt365]

OK ladies, gather 'round. I will now explain men to you. Listen closely, there will be a test.

Men are completely and primally simple creatures. We have three basic desires;

1) To eat and drink.
2) To fart.
3) To have sex.

Satisfaction of any two of those desires constitutes a comfortable life. Satisfaction of all three is a state of euphoria. Never, ever stray beyond these parameters, otherwise you will encounter a horrifying condition known as a brain-fart. You will know when you encounter a brain-fart because the man will stand (or sit) there with a blank look on their face, staring into the distance, unable to move or speak. And if you listen closely you will hear a faint whistling noise and catch a whiff of burning meat - that is the smell of dying neurons. A sure way of inducing a brain-fart is to begin speaking of inter-relational subjects, kittens, or going to the store to buy "pads" for you.

Men's primary activity is to achieve the shortest distance between his current position and any one of the three (and, preferably all three simultaneously) basic desires. Consider this, if a man were located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on a tiny atoll and he discovers that a willing partner is located in New York with a plate of nachos and a beer, and she's ok with him "cutting the cheese", he will immediately begin diggin a hole through the center of the earth.

Now, you ladies are thinking, "Why not hop a boat and sail to the US, then catch a cab?" Why? Because, what is the straightest line between two points on a sphere? SOMEWHERE THROUGH THE MIDDLE!! What you perceive as "complication" is the simplest, most straightforward solution to the problem. Any attempt to convince him otherwise ("Umm, dear...the center of the earth is molten rock, you might get singed") will, at best, fall on deaf ears, and (at worst) cause a brain-fart. He is not being stubborn, he is ensuring the continued health of all of his (limited supply of) neurons.

Concerning lies. Men are not equipped to lie. Lying requires diversion of scarce resources away from pursuit of...the basic desires, something no man is prepared to do. So, for the sake of conservation of energy, we construct wildly stupid and completely unbelievable "stories" to expalin our actions. We know that you know that it's a lie, but we also know that you CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH (which is, we only care about...the basic desires). So, we tell you the lie, know you will get mad, go get a beer and wait, then offer you sex (two of the three desires achieved = comfortable life). Either that, or we cut a giant fart and go jerk-off in the shower (same result). The same is achieved by getting a pizza and cutting a cheesy fart on the sofa.

In any case, we're happy.

So there you have it ladies, stop over-thinking this and go with the flow. Tell him to pull your finger (he'll fall instantly in love with you and reciprocate), feed him a burger and go put on your French Maid costume - he'll never leave you.

You can thank me later.

[Mozzes]

More than what's there I suppose.

*dons feminazi hat and steel toe boots*

It is odd, men are quite simple yet I find them puzzling. It's as if guys go out of their way to make things more complicated in their attempt to assure the most efficient way. :thinking: And why must they be so stubborn? And obvious too!!! Men are the *worst* liars.

Men are frustrating creatures, lucky them we have this, like, um, biological imperative to like, um... mate, er, tolerate them. :laugh:

A prisoner of genetics...so it's sort of like Stockholm syndrome?

[malefide]

Honestly, I really don't care. If I turned into a male tomorrow I don't think I would be any more or any less happy. Female biology is a bit of a pain sometimes, but it's not that big of a deal for me personally. I'd like to be able to switch physical sex at will whenever I wanted...THAT would be COOL.

[xanodel]

rwyatt, thank you for making my day-that was hilarious.

I don't know if it's really the magic of the vagoo, but knowing how far you can push. Based on personal experience (I've led all male teams before), the key is how you do it-and usually being genuine with a bit of tact helps. To that degree, I'm happy with being an INTJ female-I do act a lot more masculine, but it seems natural (and apparently some communication studies show that guys respond positively to female leadership if it doesn't seem different in substance from male leadership).

I have thought about switching my gender before-but being 5'1" makes me a puny male doesn't it?

[vaguely dissatisfied]

rwyatt

"Men are completely and primally simple creatures. We have three basic desires;

1) To eat and drink.
2) To fart.
3) To have sex."

If only this were really true. It would be so completely simple to live with a man then. Too many posts here and too many of my own life experiences says to me that men would like to believe that they are this simple and only need to have these things to keep them happy. However, I believe you have left out one very important and very contested for criteria in your list...................control..........

[notoppings]

I couldn't live without my penis it's been my favorite toy for 45 years. Being a woman would be to difficult having to find a toilet when nature calls for men just whip it out whenever or wherever audience or not it's just to easy.

[vaguely dissatisfied]

I couldn't live without my penis it's been my favorite toy for 45 years. Being a woman would be to difficult having to find a toilet when nature calls for men just whip it out whenever or wherever audience or not it's just to easy.
I think you've just nicely summed up why it is 'a man's world'.

[Sarah]

I'm pretty androgynous, personality wise, so I don't really care what's between my legs. I think if I had to choose though I would pick being a male just because that would look more comfortable for me.

[Szarra]

Estrogen is what causes memory loss in women, allowing them to feel good about being pregnant a second time.

I used to want to be a boy. Mostly because I hated "girly" things like make-up and shopping. (Still do actually.) It's taken a long time but I've finally learned that you don't have to be "girly" to be a girl. :)

[Chainsaw Dundee]

OK ladies, gather 'round. I will now explain men to you. Listen closely, there will be a test.

Men are completely and primally simple creatures. We have three basic desires;

1) To eat and drink.
2) To fart.
3) To have sex.

Satisfaction of any two of those desires constitutes a comfortable life. Satisfaction of all three is a state of euphoria.

For fucks sake. Listen to yourself. These are the words of feminist brainwashing, not an intelligent rational.

[TheLastMohican]

For f***s sake. Listen to yourself. These are the words of feminist brainwashing, not an intelligent rational.

1. Rwyatt is male.

2. Rywatt is being his usual humorous self.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

1. Rwyatt is male.

2. Rywatt is being his usual humorous self.

1. I realize this

2. Are you saying this is a troll thread?

[TheLastMohican]

2. Are you saying this is a troll thread?

Uh, no...I was pointing out that rwyatt's post was meant to be funny, while you seemed to be taking it seriously.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

Uh, no...I was pointing out that rwyatt's post was meant to be funny, while you seemed to be taking it seriously.

Ah. Well there is a very fine line between practical humour, and misandrical ramblings due to extreme feminist brainwashing.

[Uytuun]

Extreme feminist brainwashing...ooh, sounds exiting...do elaborate. Let's huddle together around the fire and listen to your tales. (I'm being only mildly sarcastic, but I'm genuinely curious)

I love being a woman...of course it would be a very educative experience to live like a man for a while, but...life as an intelligent and pragmatic INTJ woman is pretty great from my perspective.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

Extreme feminist brainwashing...ooh, sounds exiting...do elaborate. Let's huddle together around the fire and listen to your tales. (I'm being only mildly sarcastic, but I'm genuinely curious)

I love being a woman...of course it would be a very educative experience to live like a man for a while, but...life as an intelligent and pragmatic INTJ woman is pretty great from my perspective.

Your sarcasm is warranted. I was exaggerating a bit anyways. It's more like being raised by women, and not understanding what a real man is supposed to stand for, because all you know about them is what you hear the women complaining about, and growing up to despise masculinity. Superrunonsentencelol.

This is actually common across males who are raised only by women, at least from my own observation. It isn't healthy psychologically. Gender confusion, criminals, sissy boys, and emotional problems in general. Im not accusing the OP of this, just listing some examples I've seen. Gender dysphoria and having been born with a female brain is one thing, but having a psychological complex due to growing up in an unnatural environment is another.

[Uytuun]

Which brings me to the next question:

what a real man is supposed to stand for

And what would that be?

I don't really believe in the you're-supposed-to's of this world...well of course you need to play along a bit in order to live a relatively pleasant life.

Uh, but I'm having a déjà-vu here...probably mentioned my opinion on that in another post already.

I agree that many women (*cough* SJ *cough*) make wild generalisations about men that do not do them justice at all.

[sriv]

I tend to refer to myself more as a brain than a person, or a gender, or even a human being.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

Which brings me to the next question:



And what would that be?

I don't really believe in the you're-supposed-to's of this world...well of course you need to play along a bit in order to live a relatively pleasant life.

Uh, but I'm having a déjà-vu here...probably mentioned my opinion on that in another post already.


Aye, social standards and gender roles are very arbitrary aren't they? Well guess what... They have kept your ass alive for millions of years. While it would be nice if simply being smarter were to guarantee you a higher place in the social order, it doesn't. There is a bullshit game you have to cooperate with to an extent if you want to live and thrive in modern society.



To boil it all down to basic primal terms, here it is.
Men - Dominant/Providing
Women - Submissive/Nurturing

While our methods to carry out these behaviors change, the principals remain the same.

I guess instead of try to overanalyze this, I could just give you some examples of guys who aren't really men.

-Guys who beat their women
-"Nice guys", the submissive kind who get taken advantage of and dumped soon thereafter

Quite simply, males who haven't been properly geared up for survival and adaptation.

This may entail a variety of traits. Responsibility, mature attitude(not necessarily in a boring way), observance of social rules, confident, comfortable with himself, protective/provides for his family, good at doing guy type stuff, etc. Just look at the kind of guys most women are attracted to, and compare them to the traits guys have who never get laid.

We are operating on primal drives, because they have kept us alive for millions of years. Until we find a replacement, it will remain that way.

[TheLastMohican]

Ah. Well there is a very fine line between practical humour, and misandrical ramblings due to extreme feminist brainwashing.
That's true. ;) It gets hard to tell if they are really taking themselves seriously sometimes, and how they manage to say some of those things with straight faces.

[OneBadMother]

To be honest, I think that being able to switch between genders at will would be awesome. Not because I care what I look like, but because other people apparently will judge me based on how I look. I'd find it very interesting to see how people would react to the same brain in a different body.

For a long while now I've been researching ways to get out of having to excrete a blood-like substance on a regular basis/having the potential to get pregnant, those two things being my main objections to this female shell my brain's encased in. :P Unfortunately, it seems that most methods to stop those things come with complications that far outweigh the benefits. Being able to switch gender when those problems arise would be a pretty good way to sidestep such complications.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

To be honest, I think that being able to switch between genders at will would be awesome. I'd find it very interesting to see how people would react to the same brain in a different body.

For a long while now I've been researching ways to get out of having to excrete a blood-like substance on a regular basis/having the potential to get pregnant, those two things being my main objections to this female shell my brain's encased in. :P Unfortunately, it seems that most methods to stop those things come with complications that far outweigh the benefits. Being able to switch gender when those problems arise would be a pretty good way to sidestep such complications.


That would be cool. You could get some sperm out, change genders, and put it back. Asexual inbreeding! Imagine the possibilities..I'll finally be able to have my own bluegrass band.

[Colette]

But I never completely got away from the nagging thought that girls had it better than guys. Yeah, I know about all of the trials and tribulations of femininity, but dammit, you ladies have a whole lot of perks that make up for some of that!


Get rid of that thought right now. As progressive as we may like to think we are nowadays, it's still fundamentally a man's world. Women work harder, get paid less, have more responsibilities, and generally have to try harder to earn respect.

Stick with what you have rwyatt ;)

[sriv]

Changing gender would suck. I was given what I have for a beneficial reason. Ripping my functioning parts off and putting lame ones in their place would severely handicap me.

Changing gender at the snap of a finger without side effects makes no sense, therefore I refuse to theorize it.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

Women work harder, get paid less, have more responsibilities, and generally have to try harder to earn respect.



Not to mention the menstruation cycle, getting hit on by shitheads wherever you go, and sagging, aging boobs.

Well, I don't know about that. There are quite a few old guys with sagging boobs too...

[Colette]

Changing gender would suck. I was given what I have for a beneficial reason. Ripping my functioning parts off and putting lame ones in their place would severely handicap me.


Really? I thought you were reluctant to embrace some of the more pleasurable aspects of belonging to your particular gender :p

[sriv]

I did not mean it as literally as you think. But I do expect to have kids someday.

[rwyatt365]

So, I've been brainwashed? Interesting feeling it is. Misandrical ramblings - I'm flattered to be so characterized! I shall remember this day forever. Chainsaw, you do me proud.

I promise to keep my cross-gender confusions down to a minimum in the future.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

Embrace your balls.

I mean this metaphorically moreso than literally, but feel free to do whatever you want with them. They are your balls, afterall. ;)

[rwyatt365]

I am quite comfortable with my balls, and penis, thank you very much - I exercise them regularly. I just happen; a) not to denigrate females nor think that they are inferior nor incapable, and b) to be comfortable revealing my youthful admiration of the same and what possible were the roots of that admiration.

Women are wonderful beings and I think that invoking "primal drives" to explain and justify bad behavior is anti-rational. What was does not have to be what might be.

[Colette]

I am quite comfortable with my balls, and penis, thank you very much - I exercise them regularly. I just happen; a) not to denigrate females nor think that they are inferior nor incapable, and b) to be comfortable revealing my youthful admiration of the same and what possible were the roots of that admiration.


Can you start some mentoring classes for the younger forum males please? ;)

[sriv]

"An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex."
- Aldous Huxley

Through the overwhelming sense of that arguement I can conclude that I am more of an intellectual than some of you.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

I am quite comfortable with my balls, and penis, thank you very much - I exercise them regularly. I just happen; a) not to denigrate females nor think that they are inferior nor incapable, and b) to be comfortable revealing my youthful admiration of the same and what possible were the roots of that admiration.

Women are wonderful beings and I think that invoking "primal drives" to explain and justify bad behavior is anti-rational. What was does not have to be what might be.


You're missing the point completely. I'll try to address one point at a time, as the feminist brainwashing has really clouded your mind. :)

This is not about degrading females at all. It's about not degrading yourself for being a male, and respecting your own masculinity. I highly doubt you are trans-gendered.

[rwyatt365]

You're missing the point completely. I'll try to address one point at a time, as the feminist brainwashing has really clouded your mind. :)

This is not about degrading females at all. It's about not degrading yourself for being a male, and respecting your own masculinity. I highly doubt you are trans-gendered.
And you have missed my point as well. I don't disrespect my masculinity, I merely acknowledged a childhood fantasy and asked other forum members whether any others shared that. You suggest something (that I don't respect myself) that is not true. Don't assume what you don't know for certain.

[Sarah]

To boil it all down to basic primal terms, here it is.
Men - Dominant/Providing
Women - Submissive/Nurturing


...So, because I have a vajayjay, I'm supposed to submit to the penis?

[PRBori]

I wouldn't change my gender at all... but I would try my best to be a little more femenine personality wise, although there are certain things I'm not willing to let go. For example I refuse to depend on a men... I like my independence way too much to give it up.. and I refuse to stop over-analysing everything... for I wouldn't be who I am today without it...

I have had many men said that I'm like a men simply because of my way of seing things and mentality type. Not to mention they feel intimidated at how independent I am.

In a Tickle Test I score 49% Male, 51% Female and is based not on the physical appearance but the way of thinking and seing things. All in all the test description fit me right on... so I guess in a way the independent mentally and the fact that I'm way too analytical makes others see me as a men.

In the sexual aspects, I love being a women in every sense... now would I try to be with other women.. hell no, there is nothing that would satisfy me sexually a women can provide.. only men.. I don't like anything FAKE.. I like the real thing of course... but I'm careful...

Now someone mention they would like to be a men in order to not be classify as "Slut" or something else and to me a men who sleeps around with women and clasifies a women "Slut" for doing the same thing is an idiot, for he himself is a "Slut". I don't see a difference between the two, is just what this society has come to believe that men shouldn't have to be label for their behavior. All in all if a men or a women sleep with multiple partners within a specific timeframe both of them are "Sluts" to me.

[yondyr]

I've always wondered how males might feel if their semen were red...as in blood red. Rather a nice equalizer for some misogynists.

[vaguely dissatisfied]

I've always wondered how males might feel if their semen were red...as in blood red. Rather a nice equalizer for some misogynists.
They would think it was cool and whoever had the reddest semen would be the most jock-like and popular.

[yondyr]

But would it eradicate the distaste some males have for 'womens business'? At least there's be no more 'cream' jokes. :laugh:

[vaguely dissatisfied]

But would it eradicate the distaste some males have for 'womens business'? At least there's be no more 'cream' jokes. :laugh:
They'd just find something else that was non-male like to have a distaste for. The jokes would be about blood and they'd be hilarious because it was stuff that came out of males.

[rwyatt365]

I've always wondered how males might feel if their semen were red...as in blood red. Rather a nice equalizer for some misogynists.
A misogynist would, by definition, hate women no matter what. But, to your original point, all men having "bloody semen" would make for an interesting circumstance. Perhaps there would be no more jokes about menses.

[yondyr]

oh rwyatt, you're such a stable, cheery and witty asset here.

[futureperfect5]

This thought occurred to me as I was posting to a thread on masturbation; if you could change to the opposite sex would you? Have you ever thought about this as a possibility?

Yeah, I know about all of the trials and tribulations of femininity, but dammit, you ladies have a whole lot of perks that make up for some of that!

So, any other confused-gender people here?

Someone?

anyone?

please...
Women rule the Universe ... that is the reason that men hate them -- try to possess and control them.
With men power is superficial and fabricated.
Women have innate power.

Most men are -- strangely -- intriguing to me.
They do weird things ...

"Body" stuff aside, there is sooo much that men don't know
about life. They are too vulnerable.
I wouldn't like that for myself.

[SeaCzar]

I have never had any feeling for want to change gender. I think women have a MUCH harder time than men. Also, I think "guy" stuff is way more fun and cool that "gal" stuff. I'll take cars, GI Joe, etc over make-up and Barbie, etc any day. This is not to say that a lot of women don't like this stuff as well.

[sriv]

Women rule the Universe ... that is the reason that men hate them -- try to possess and control them.
With men power is superficial and fabricated.
Women have innate power.

Most men are -- strangely -- intriguing to me.
They do weird things ...

"Body" stuff aside, there is sooo much that men don't know
about life. They are too vulnerable.
I wouldn't like that for myself.

It is true. I admit it. Then again, coming from a person that considers himself more a mind than a man, in my case power is not fabricated. It is earned. Women are the balance, men are the extreme. That is why of women, I will ever be jealous.

[safetypin00]

Estrogen is what causes memory loss in women,

May I ask where this is from? To my knowledge, estrogen improves neurogenesis and synaptic growth in the hippocampus, thus, improving memory. And I would think it is effect on new memories, like in the hippocampus wouldn't be different in other brain areas, like the cortex or something where memory is supposedly 'stored'. I've never heard of it causing memory loss...

About the gender thing, nah. I've always liked and felt like a girl. I wished more of my friends were like me and thought like me, but, *I* don't think I ever wanted to be different from who I am.. I'm comfortable being myself, I guess.

[Vivid]

I've given this a lot of thought. I'm happy being a female in society, especially of the thinking type.

1. Many females are socialized to be feelers, so I have a lot of balance. I can comfortably be myself while still letting my expressive feminine side show when the mood comes. Generally, it seems as though thinking women are more socially accepted than men of the feeling type.

2. By default, men are often treated like predators in society and women are treated more like damsels. It seems like it would be harder to convince someone that you're not a predator because predators are deceiving. But it's fairly easy to bypass the damsel stereotype, simply with the right body posture and clothes.

3. Overall--although it irritates me--we are at an age in which women have recently obtained some equality. Society is still adjusting and at this time and women seem to be getting the best of both worlds. That will hopefully change, but I won't deny that it's a perk.

Finally, I often enjoy being one of the girls who prefer going to science lectures over dating boys or petitioning for animal rights.

[Beery Swine]

If I could choose how I looked, then yeah, I'd change sex. But I'm not talking "gender re-assignment," I mean a djinni in a lamp goes *poof* and I'm a chick, not male-to-female, just straight up female. And I'd be a lesbian. If I could have it any way I'd be a chick with huge breasts and nipples, plus a huge crank and juevos, no pubes anywhere. The best of both worlds.

[Seppuku Savant]

I'd be a man so I could get paid more.

[Danisty]

This thought occurred to me as I was posting to a thread on masturbation; if you could change to the opposite sex would you? Have you ever thought about this as a possibility?

This thought came after reading posts to the effect of, "If I had a [blank] I would [blank], and I thought about how I wished that I was a girl when I was a child. I grew up as the middle child with two sisters. My father was a doctor (an ObGyn) who delivered babies all day and all night, and consequently was rarely home. My childhood was highly "feminized" and I got the impression that women were the natural state of things. Girl-stuff was the norm, boy-stuff was out of place. Girls were cool, boys were yucky. So, wanting to be a girl was "normal".

When I discovered that penis' were fun too, I didn't feel so bad (that's a pun folks). But I never completely got away from the nagging thought that girls had it better than guys. Yeah, I know about all of the trials and tribulations of femininity, but dammit, you ladies have a whole lot of perks that make up for some of that!

So, any other confused-gender people here?

Someone?

anyone?

please...Yes! I have thought I'd be more comfortable as a male since I was a child. I've learned to love being female, but I wouldn't be bothered at all if I woke up as a man tomorrow. I could take this further, but I don't know what would be acceptable to post and what would be TMI.

[Hirakura]

Recently I've been having trouble with being a woman. I feel like I'd rather be a gay man than a straight woman. It might be because I've been reading so much yaoi, and a manga on intersexuals but...I dunno.

[True Rune]

I would not want to be a woman.

[interstellar]

It's not easy to be a female INTJ, there's a whole thread on it. You have to work through it you'll eventually accept it.

[Hatsumomo1]

Sometimes it's dreadfully difficult to resist the urge to kick someone's ass just because they did something that started your blood to boil.

I have that problem. I have that problem at least once a month, if you catch my drift.

Being a chick sucks sometimes. The physical issues can be such a bitch, not to mention everyone expects a way for you to act if you're a female, whether you're an INTJ woman or not.

However, I really wouldn't wanna be a guy either.

[probity]

When I was younger I wanted to be a male because I got along so much better with the boys than I did the girls. The girls were stupid and petty. They still are but I'm much more appreciative of the advantages of womanhood now than I was then. I would not want to be a man now, at least not most of the time.

The only thing I find hard to tolerate about being a woman is being expected to act like a certain type of woman. I will not consider myself less feminine or 'unwomanly' because I seem more characteristically male. I am not a man nor do I strive to be masculine. I am merely a different type of feminine.

[Vagrant]

There are times I really wonder what it would be like.

And I'd like to give it a shot, if I could have the option of changing back.

I mean, I usually genderswap on games, but that's because I much prefer staring at a woman all day than a man. I noticed that women typically get preferential treatment to men online.

[Moondyn]

I wouldn't change my gender, since I don't see any real benefit from it and it would be psychologically weird. But my personality even without changing my gender is more traditionally male-like, and I'm only 15% or less Feeling, and the INTJ personality isn't feminine or masculine in nature but just rational and intellectual, which means societies norms and expectations aren't the first things on the 'to do list' of a typical INTJ.

[NZPixie]

I wouldn't want to change my gender for the simle logical reason that actually women have it better right now. If I lived 50 years ago I might have wanted to be a man, but now I am very happy being a woman. Women do better in the education system, live long, tend to be healthier, and generally hold most of the balance of power right now. I am certaintly not saying that is good, because whenever one gender has less power or opportunity than the other it is not ideal, but thats just the way it is right now.

[Nanashi]

Recently I've been having trouble with being a woman. I feel like I'd rather be a gay man than a straight woman. It might be because I've been reading so much yaoi, and a manga on intersexuals but...I dunno.

Ha! I find myself thinking that lately every once in a while, although, as is Hatsumomo1's opinion, I wouldn't really want to be a guy either. I think either gender has physical issues to work with, as well as social ones. I don't think gender has any more effect than those;however, being socialized a certain way can affect how much one chooses to expand one's other abilities. So, being of a specific gender in a certain culture, may affect many things.

[quin]

I think it would be an interesting experience, but as others have mentioned, only if I could change back. the only problem is that it is impossible to imagine the thought process of the opposite sex, so if you did change you certainly would want to keep your genders' way of thinking. Its like trying to comprehend or experience nonexistence, it just simply cant be done.

[Kisai]

the only problem is that it is impossible to imagine the thought process of the opposite sex,

o o O{Why is that bitch so skinny?!}

o o O{I'm turning into my mother!}

o o O{What a horrible week. I need to go shopping for shoes!}

[OrrDavey]

No way I'd ever consider changing my sex. I want to rule the world some day and there is way too much sexism.

Plus all women act only on their emotions.

[Vagrant]

No way I'd ever consider changing my sex. I want to rule the world some day and there is way too much sexism.

Plus all women act only on their emotions.


Too much generalization.

2/3 of women are feelers. That means 1/3 are thinkers. ;)

[josephine]

I would never want to be a man. Guys' lives seem so boring. They can't have beautiful clothes, or wear makeup, or any of that fun stuff. They technically can, but then they'll be thought of as gay, which means that they will be somewhat of an outcast and people will be mean to them. I love beautiful things and nice surroundings, which is considered "unmanly". Life is MUCH easier if you fall into stereotypical gender roles in terms of things that others can see about you. I wouldn't want to have to constantly go against society in justifying my preferences, but I wouldn't be able to indulge them without drawing some negative attention. So, it's much easier being a girl because at least on the surface, I'm pretty feminine.

As for the rest, you can keep your thoughts and feelings inside and nobody will ever know. In terms of the kind of the person I AM (not talking about the outer trappings here), I'm more stereotypically "masculine" than "feminine". I'm ambitious, determined, analytical, not afraid of much, interested in influencing things... I value these traits more than the stereotypical "feminine" traits such as gentleness, cuteness, caring, romanticism, interested in babies... So I'm glad that I possess more of the "masculine" traits - these are the traits that help people get ahead in life rather than just pleasing others.

Note that I put masculine and feminine in quotes - this is because I don't believe that those traits define a man or a woman - but it's what society believes (or at least a significant number of people), and that's pretty important (to me at least). If I'm going to be different from what people expect, I'd rather they not know about it. This helps me avoid unpleasantness, and it actually gives me an advantage because I can surprise people and knock them off balance. Also, it's fun to fool people and plot their demise while they think I'm just cute and charming. ;D

Beyond that, I can't really put my finger on why, but the thought of being a man is distinctly unpleasant. It's more of a gut reaction.

Hmmm... I wonder if that made sense. I should come back to this site in a few years and reread my posts to see if I sound stupid. :thinking:

[Zhen]

i think men have it easier in all aspects - in this sense i would have liked to be the boy that was expected but then again i'm proud to be part of what i subjectively believe is the mentally tougher gender of the two. And I also think in general females have higher EQ...lol i'm ready to be flamed!

Most of my friends are males though- I've always found them the much easier gender to understand somehow, maybe it's cos I am a "T" and most women are too "sensitive" and uncomfortably emotional for me. I'm always scared I'll make them cry with my honesty where as I can always just be myself with the boys :)

and plus stereotypical female pasttimes- shopping, beautification, gossip mags- ergh...get.so.bored. and women can be downright bitchy and petty(all girl schools are horrible horrible places!)

yeah if we could choose I probably would have prefered to be born male- it just seems they have more advantage especially in the arena of being successful professionally.

[Natsilani]

Having dated someone that started out as a man, then transitioned to female during the course of our relationship, I've given this A LOT of thought.

It was an intensely uncomfortable experience, sitting in a room full of 'men' in pantyhose and getting envious, almost hateful looks as I tried to support my girlfriend. In fact, getting this kind of attitude even from my girlfriend (combined with the fact that she's a bloody feeler :p) was what broke us up in the end.

I hated puberty. I hated having to face the fact that I was getting breasts in inconvenient places, in the way of a good swing around a steel bar, and hips that wouldn't let me fit into a pipe, though the rest of me did. Er, yes, I was an odd, active child. :p I could not imagine anybody wanting to willingly give up their maleness for the pain in the ass experience of being female. Also, growing up with traditional Russian parents that were very adamant in trying to teach me and my brother the good ol' gender roles probably didn't help things either.

So all of these experiences combined made me realize that I'm what's termed as 'bigender' in the transgender community. Bigender is different from transsexual in that you flip from one gender to the other.

What makes me bigender? From the female side of things, I've really learned to appreciate and like my body, once I got over the conditioning that women were inherently weak and belonged in a kitchen. Most of the time, I feel pretty gender neutral anyway. Sometimes however, there seems to be a switch in my brain that gets flipped, and in some cases without me being aware of it until others comment, I start thinking and reacting like a man. Kind of hard to explain how it is different from female. It's almost as if you are a different person, but not. You react differently, though your basic set of values and opinions remains the same.

I'd love to be able to flipflop at will, and have actually managed to cross dress once convincingly. Wow, people react so differently to a guy! Somebody even tried picking a fight with me, boy were they startled *snicker*.

Have you noticed yourself feeling more female or male in response to extremely masculine or feminine people?

[Vagrant]

but then again i'm proud to be part of what i subjectively believe is the mentally tougher gender of the two. And I also think in general females have higher EQ...lol i'm ready to be flamed!Actually... the average for male and female IQ is roughly the same. However, males have a greater variability in IQ -- so you end up with more stupid males, but you also end up with more intelligent males. Women tend to be more concentrated towards the center.

And I wouldn't say women are necessarily the strongest mentally either. Remember, we're all INTJ here. ;) We're all mentally resilient.

I'd love to be able to flipflop at will, and have actually managed to cross dress once convincingly. Wow, people react so differently to a guy!You should try genderswapping on an online game too -- people treat you much differently if you're a male character or a female character. I know I've gotten better deals on trades in games just because I played an attractive female character.

I've always felt androgynous, but part of the reason is because I don't care for gender conventions as an INTJ.

[Lucid]

o o O{Why is that bitch so skinny?!}

o o O{I'm turning into my mother!}

o o O{What a horrible week. I need to go shopping for shoes!}

I wish you could spend some time as a female.
I think if you did you'd get really, really tired of always hearing about how overly emotional and irrational and shallow you are. REALLY tired. I just can't emphasize that enough. Also, you're probably learn that you're wrong about women in general and are really selling them short with a statement like that. Just as many women sell men short by saying that you only think about sex and are too stupid to figure out how a dishwasher works.


It would be great if all of us could spend some time as another gender or another race or having another sexual preference or living as another social or economic class. I think it would be of great benefit to society.

[invicta]

It would be great if all of us could spend some time as another gender or another race or having another sexual preference or living as another social or economic class. I think it would be of great benefit to society.

Agree completely.

[Marcus]

It would be great if all of us could spend some time as another gender or another race or having another sexual preference or living as another social or economic class. I think it would be of great benefit to society.

Actually, you can do something like that by moving to a different country.

[Stormy]

Hmm, it would be interesting to be a guy for a while, just to see what it's like. I played ice hockey on my highschool's boys varsity team and did well, though it would be helpful to be taller ;) Most of my interests and activities are more associated with guys, so I don't think much would change with me, though they would be more socially acceptable if I were a guy. Actually, it's probably better that I'm a girl, since it's easier to find interests and traits similar to my own in guys rather than girls. And the majority of other girls annoy me anyway :)

[Zhen]

Actually... the average for male and female IQ is roughly the same. However, males have a greater variability in IQ -- so you end up with more stupid males, but you also end up with more intelligent males. Women tend to be more concentrated towards the center.

And I wouldn't say women are necessarily the strongest mentally either. Remember, we're all INTJ here. ;) We're all mentally resilient.


EQ! EQ! very very different!

true...INTJs excluded, men IN GENERAL are mentally less strong (I believe) but it's not as obvious cos they're less likely to outwardly show distress...I think part of my bias also comes from witnessing the different reactions in a health setting...you assume the big burly men are big and tough but they are often the biggest WEENIES when it comes to pain thresholds and get really worked up in advance!

okay kinda extraneous information there but I just wanted to share that observation LOL

[zibber]

I actually used to think being a girl would be easy, but having given plenty of thoughts to the laundry list of social conventions connected to the female gender, it's not so bad being a guy. I walk around unshaved and utterly unkempt, and people mistake that for "my style". It's great! I can be completely anti-aesthetic and still blend in as if I were experimenting with new trends; apathy is so edgy :laugh:

Recently I've been having trouble with being a woman. I feel like I'd rather be a gay man than a straight woman. It might be because I've been reading so much yaoi, and a manga on intersexuals but...I dunno.

Do you feel like you'd rather be a man, or would you rather be a man? Is it that you'd enjoy physically being a man, as you might enjoy some fun activity, or that you feel an overwhelming need permanently to be one? It's dangerous to make irreversible decisions on a whim. I remember walking out of the theatre after Mission Impossible and walking around all stealthy, acting like a spy. That was because I enjoyed that movie so much, not out of an inherent desire to be a spy.

In any event, give this a lot of thought and know that it is a perfectly fine decision to make, if you make it. Feeling shame would be to give undue credit to the prejudice of bigots.

[TheLastMohican]

INTJs excluded, men IN GENERAL are mentally less strong (I believe) but it's not as obvious cos they're less likely to outwardly show distress...

Why "INTJs excluded"?

I think part of my bias also comes from witnessing the different reactions in a health setting...you assume the big burly men are big and tough but they are often the biggest WEENIES when it comes to pain thresholds and get really worked up in advance!

Recent studies indicate that women have lower pain thresholds for both sensing the pain and for tolerating it, mainly due to the emotional aspect of pain that women tend to identify.

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But that aside: why does a high pain threshold translate to mental strength? Do those with impaired nervous systems who cannot feel physical pain have greater mental strength? I don't think it correlates, and I would like to know how you define mental "strength" in the first place.

[Nikita]

women on the whole do tend to complain more about pain than men do, but women get the lovely task of enduring child birth, a task most men would not choose to take on for them (this is based on men I've known and their reactions to the thought) - i think women can take a lot, perhaps as much as or more than men depending on the type of pain (some women get to be in horrible pain a week out of every month and are still expected to function as if everything were normal), but women definitely are more vocal about it

[TheLastMohican]

women on the whole do tend to complain more about pain than men do, but women get the lovely task of enduring child birth, a task most men would not choose to take on for them (this is based on men I've known and their reactions to the thought)

The sentiment that "men are weak because they wouldn't have the guts to give birth" makes no sense, because the ability to give birth would render the person no longer a man in the first place. If a man somehow obtained a woman's organs and the accompanying hormones in order to be able to give birth, (s)he would be willing to give birth...but then (s)he is not really a man anymore, so you can still claim that men would not give birth. It does not reflect on men's personalities or character; women just have extra help provided by their physical attributes.

I think it's safe to assume that women don't like giving birth either, but they go through with it because they desire the end result. Most men do not have nearly the same desire instinctually, so naturally fewer men than women would consider the child worth enduring its birth.

- i think women can take a lot, perhaps as much as or more than men depending on the type of pain (some women get to be in horrible pain a week out of every month and are still expected to function as if everything were normal), but women definitely are more vocal about it

It would make some evolutionary sense that women would be more sensitive to external pain while men would be more sensitive to internal pain. Women might find sensitivity to stimuli useful for childcare, perhaps with emphasis on light sleeping patterns. They also could be helped by desensitization towards internal pain, for the reasons you just mentioned. Men, on the other hand, could be greatly helped by desensitization to external pain, which could otherwise be debilitating during, say, a mammoth hunt. Simply put, I think men and women are desensitized respectively to the kinds of pain they are most prone to encounter, with some slight negation for the purposes of sensory acuity.

It should be noted that the study I linked tested only external pain.

[Zhen]

Why "INTJs excluded"?

*oh this was because Vagrant pointed out that all INTJs are mentally resilient which sounded fair enough.

Recent studies indicate that women have lower pain thresholds for both sensing the pain and for tolerating it, mainly due to the emotional aspect of pain that women tend to identify.

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*this sounds about right, I was just relating an anecdote about my own subjective small scale clinical experience and observation of when men and women both come for treatment hence why I prefaced with "bias". I guess there is also the inherent expectation that the men won't be as mentally reactive as they are before treatment. I just think it's funny that it's the big guys who tend to squirm and let out more "ouch"s etc. Re: "scientific studies" it's important to remember that these can point out just about whatever result they want to achieve either way for just about everything.

also again with mental strength I was making a general statement based on my own subjective experience in a broader scope not solely referring to a pain threshold context...and therefore not correlating it necessarily. I think in terms of "mental strength" I was thinking more along the lines of ability to deal with emotional issues. I think men often have worse coping mechanisms because of the fact they don't talk about it with people whereas women tend to talk and have emotional support that way. all generalisations based on my subjective experience of the world! Hence opinion, not fact :)

But that aside: why does a high pain threshold translate to mental strength? Do those with impaired nervous systems who cannot feel physical pain have greater mental strength? I don't think it correlates, and I would like to know how you define mental "strength" in the first place.

[dragonsscout]

To the OP, if I could switch genders for a couple of days, just to see what it's like I would (and I mean truly switch, no sex change operation of cross-dressing). It'd be like walking in some other person's shoes. I'd want to remain a guy in the long though.