Color Brain twister.... I need Acid?!?

[Jakalwarrior]

Imagine an animal no one has ever seen... Pretty easy right? every horror movie does so.
Imagine a word no one has ever said that uses sounds you havent heard. Little bit harder but you can do it right?

Now... imagine a color outside the range of what you can see. If you think youve done it describe that color to me. You find yourself using pre existing colors to describe it right? That means you didn't come up with one.
If you did manage to come up with one there would be no way possible to describe it with words and it would be impossible to show it to me for obvious reasons. In fact I am not even sure the human brain is able to comprehend colors outside of our visible spectrum

Now for the hard questions. Some other animals have a wider requency range they can percieve right? What do colors look like to them? If we could see outside of our range too would our brain invent new colors or reuse pre-existing ones (think implantation). Would there be a difference if they were introduced during development? Are we physically limited to only being able to comprehend a certain range of color by the physical structures of our brain or is it a thought related matter? Is the structure that defines color expandable if presented with more data at an early age? or are we genetically limited? The only thing close to an answer I've gotten was from a study of color recognition in other countries. I believe they said russia or some other country is able to differntiate more shades of blue than most other countries because the extra shades were given names and you are expected to know them.

The only way I can see to answer any of that involves an acid trip which can cause your wires to become cross and smell, taste, or sound to possible by fed into the vision centers. The only problem would be staying lucid enough to try and detect new colors. The other problem is I HATE anything that affects my mind in any way. Anything other than alcohol just gives me a panic attack. I guess ill never know.

[TheLastMohican]

It is possible for a human to see and comprehend ultraviolet light.

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The description of it is that it looks like a slightly bluish or purplish white. So the way it appears to the human brain is still expressed in terms of other colors of which we already know. But there is no way for us to know what it "really" looks like, since we can only go by what our brains interpret it to be. Therefore it is rather a mute point.

If there was another color that looked nothing like any other, I think our brains might be confused and process the color as some strange mixture of other known ones. More likely, though, is that we would comprehend the new color once we saw it, and would be unable to describe it. Our brains would probably interpret the color as something new, but we never could have guessed it beforehand, since we are limited to the colors we have experienced. It might be like Paul's description of heaven, that he had no words to describe it, since there is no reference to compare it to.

[Jakalwarrior]

I was wondering though if our brain develops its range for the spectrum it can see, and then that is pretty much hard wired. Maybe the range we can see is already the maximum range our hardware can transmit and its spread over what it can detect arbitrarily. I know if an eye never sees anything then that part of the brain doesnt bother to develop at all and you are blind, even if your eyes are fully funtioning (Raised in the dark or with your eyes covered).

[Brutananadilewski]

Imagine an animal no one has ever seen... Pretty easy right? every horror movie does so.
Imagine a word no one has ever said that uses sounds you havent heard. Little bit harder but you can do it right?

Now... imagine a color outside the range of what you can see. If you think youve done it describe that color to me. You find yourself using pre existing colors to describe it right? That means you didn't come up with one.
If you did manage to come up with one there would be no way possible to describe it with words and it would be impossible to show it to me for obvious reasons. In fact I am not even sure the human brain is able to comprehend colors outside of our visible spectrum

Now for the hard questions. Some other animals have a wider requency range they can percieve right? What do colors look like to them? If we could see outside of our range too would our brain invent new colors or reuse pre-existing ones (think implantation). Would there be a difference if they were introduced during development? Are we physically limited to only being able to comprehend a certain range of color by the physical structures of our brain or is it a thought related matter? Is the structure that defines color expandable if presented with more data at an early age? or are we genetically limited? The only thing close to an answer I've gotten was from a study of color recognition in other countries. I believe they said russia or some other country is able to differntiate more shades of blue than most other countries because the extra shades were given names and you are expected to know them.

The only way I can see to answer any of that involves an acid trip which can cause your wires to become cross and smell, taste, or sound to possible by fed into the vision centers. The only problem would be staying lucid enough to try and detect new colors. The other problem is I HATE anything that affects my mind in any way. Anything other than alcohol just gives me a panic attack. I guess ill never know.

Mushrooms are the way to go. They're much safer, besides, how can anything that grows in the ground be bad? It's a gift from mother nature!

I tell ya, a good zoomer trip where you leave this world entirely will show you all sorts of things you've never seen before, and it will put everything into perspective.

[Jakalwarrior]

Mushrooms are the way to go. They're much safer, besides, how can anything that grows in the ground be bad? It's a gift from mother nature!

*eats risen from a flower, then a few toxic mushrooms*

I hate to quote wiki but:
"Mushroom poisoning, also known as mycetism, refers to deleterious effects from ingestion of toxic substances present in a mushroom. These symptoms can vary from slight gastrointestinal discomfort to death."

My friends keep trying mushroom tea with different mushroom though. If they dont appear to be dying after 12 hours or so I might sip some one day lol. Maybe ill get a trip like the one in beavis and butthead do america (the heat trip).

[TheLastMohican]

I was wondering though if our brain develops its range for the spectrum it can see, and then that is pretty much hard wired. Maybe the range we can see is already the maximum range our hardware can transmit and its spread over what it can detect arbitrarily. I know if an eye never sees anything then that part of the brain doesnt bother to develop at all and you are blind, even if your eyes are fully funtioning (Raised in the dark or with your eyes covered).

Clearly the brain is capable of adjusting for the visibility of ultraviolet light. I assume it would be able to rewire and further develop the neural processors for that purpose.

When blind people get corrective eye surgery or deaf people get cochlear implants, there is at first a period of mass confusion in the brain, since it is overwhelmed by the new information. The patient cannot make sense of the new stimuli. But after a while, the brain develops more and corrects and organizes the information, so that it can be comprehended as normal sight and hearing.

I only know of this for cases in which the person had at some point been able to see or hear, and then lost the ability. It might be that the brain cannot do this generation without some previous experience. But apparently the centers are lost or severely atrophied during the blind or deaf period, so it might actually be starting from scratch again.

[ElstonGunn]

The only thing close to an answer I've gotten was from a study of color recognition in other countries. I believe they said russia or some other country is able to differntiate more shades of blue than most other countries because the extra shades were given names and you are expected to know them.

You mean like more specific versions of "sky blue" and "navy blue" and "periwinkle" (that is a kind of blue, right?)? Or in a more general sense, sort of like how Spaniards and Frenchmen can differentiate between Lazy-Boy recliners and dining room chairs, huh? I read somewhere that the Comanche language has something like seven different words for various kinds of hills.

I kind of went off on a tangent, there. I just think languages are really interesting. Carry on with the color discussion.

Speaking of that, very similar to this color thing, how would you describe what it's like to have a sense of smell to someone who was born without one? As far as I can tell, it's impossible to explain scents without examples or comparisons.

[Jakalwarrior]

Clearly the brain is capable of adjusting for the visibility of ultraviolet light. I assume it would be able to rewire and further develop the neural processors for that purpose.

When blind people get corrective eye surgery or deaf people get cochlear implants, there is at first a period of mass confusion in the brain, since it is overwhelmed by the new information. The patient cannot make sense of the new stimuli. But after a while, the brain develops more and corrects and organizes the information, so that it can be comprehended as normal sight and hearing.

I only know of this for cases in which the person had at some point been able to see or hear, and then lost the ability. It might be that the brain cannot do this generation without some previous experience. But apparently the centers are lost or severely atrophied during the blind or deaf period, so it might actually be starting from scratch again.

That article did make me remember an important fact I should have been remembering from the start. The eye is only capable of sending color information to the brain in certain terms. Even with the new color outside our spectrum it was still sent to the brain in terms of what the cones detect. The cones are only capable of reacting to certain things. I think that brings me partway to me answer. That boils it down for me to "if we send data outside the range of the cone, would the brain invent a new color?" . It still pisses me off that we can't imagine a new color. I guess ill get my answer during my lifetime most likely when they start popping eletronic eyes into people. In the mean time. I want my lense cut off. Since I read that article I now feel like im missing out! :angry:

You mean like more specific versions of "sky blue" and "navy blue" and "periwinkle" (that is a kind of blue, right?)? Or in a more general sense, sort of like how Spaniards and Frenchmen can differentiate between Lazy-Boy recliners and dining room chairs, huh? I read somewhere that the Comanche language has something like seven different words for various kinds of hills.

I kind of went off on a tangent, there. I just think languages are really interesting. Carry on with the color discussion.

Speaking of that, very similar to this color thing, how would you describe what it's like to have a sense of smell to someone who was born without one? As far as I can tell, it's impossible to explain scents without examples or comparisons.

I think it was something like them having 9 shades of blue and others having ~7. The people with 7 werent able to see the difference between the extras that the others saw. I dont know how the study was done though and if they instructed the people to try or just put it infront of them and asked them if they could see a difference.

As for smell though, you are right, we probably cant imagine new smells outside of what our nasal receptors pick up either. I would have a harder time even trying though since im not near as familiar with the natural range of my nose.

[Taberculosis]

Personally, I didn't see new colors on acid or mushrooms.

On mushrooms everything was just wavy and melty. I dunno if that makes sense...?

However, on acid lots of things turned neon-ish. I remember staring at a dead dandelion and it was like, neon yellow and sorta glowing.

I did feel like I could see even though my eyes were closed, but maybe that was because my brain was on a sensory overload or something. Sooo maybe it's possible to see a new color but not be able to explain it?

[Jakalwarrior]

Personally, I didn't see new colors on acid or mushrooms.

On mushrooms everything was just wavy and melty. I dunno if that makes sense...?

However, on acid lots of things turned neon-ish. I remember staring at a dead dandelion and it was like, neon yellow and sorta glowing.

I did feel like I could see even though my eyes were closed, but maybe that was because my brain was on a sensory overload or something. Sooo maybe it's possible to see a new color but not be able to explain it?

I tripped on laced weed but everything got really really slow (if somone wasnt talking, it felt as if time stopped), the image I was seeing seemed delayed, and colors faded out until everthing was pretty much black and white. Lesson learned, if its free maybe there is some shit wrong with it...

I was leanin towards acid though since it has the capability of crossing the wires in your head and making sound, smell, or taste feed into your optics centers. Foreign data that id like to see it interpreting, possible inventing new colors :D but alas, drugs scare me. Especially ones that cause brain damage.