Bands for MBTI Types

[Uberfuhrer]

BAND/SINGER TYPE SUPERLATIVES
(I have no idea...)


ESTP: Rob Zombie
ISTP: 50 Cent
ESFP: Aqua
ISFP: My Chemical Romance

ESTJ: Frank Sinatra
ISTJ: Metallica
ESFJ: Backstreet Boys
ISFJ: Willie Nelson

ENFJ: Journey
INFJ: Marilyn Manson
ENFP: Cher
INFP: Bob Dylan

ENTJ: Rammstein
INTJ: Nine Inch Nails
ENTP: Weird Al Yankovic
INTP: David Bowie

[azelismia]

What is so Intj about nine inch nails? They're jsut another blowhard rock band?

[Haphazard]

What is so Intj about nine inch nails? They're jsut another blowhard rock band?

I actually have to agree with Aze on this point. I have a feeling that Blue Oyster Cult is much, much more INTJ.

[Uberfuhrer]

What is so Intj about nine inch nails? They're jsut another blowhard rock band?

Broody, extremely introspective, yet nihilistic -- seems very Ni to me, coupled with an angry Te. It is quite INTJ, specifically of the Enneagram 5w4 variant.

I didn't consider the fact that it is popular.

And I'm not the only one who says Trent Reznor is an INTJ, or at least Ni dominant.

[azelismia]

I could be wrong of course, but I think you are the only one. I also don't think intj's are necessarily angry. I certainly am not and i am a 5w4. Gotta agree, While I like BOC I am not sure about them as a choice either? I mean it was a stoner hippy band with no real message. How about the Doors? Although, honestly I can't think of a single band that really encompasses NT. Miles Davis maybe?

[Haphazard]

I could be wrong of course, but I think you are the only one. I also don't think intj's are necessarily angry. I certainly am not and i am a 5w4. Gotta agree, While I like BOC I am not sure about them as a choice either? I mean it was a stoner hippy band with no real message. How about the Doors? Although, honestly I can't think of a single band that really encompasses NT. Miles Davis maybe?

If I had to slap a type of music on an INTJ I'd rather say a mechanical fugue. Like a Bach fugue... Not necessarily angry but calculated and fixed on a certain theme.

[azelismia]

If I had to slap a type of music on an INTJ I'd rather say a mechanical fugue. Like a Bach fugue... Not necessarily angry but calculated and fixed on a certain theme.

how about kraftwerk?

[ColdMaverick]

Hi guys, first post here.

I agree with NIN being a good representative of INTJ. Maybe I'm a little biased because I'm a fan, or maybe I'm a fan for that very reason.

Another good example would be Swedish metal band In Flames, If you've heard of them. So many of their songs have to do with topics that seem pertinent to me, such as how the world works, individuality, accepting responsibility for your actions, etc., that I'm convinced their songwriter must be INTJ.

[Aressera]

While I think that NIN does portray INTJ in some ways, there are better choices.

Tool is probably more fitting. The combination of musical technicality, introspective abstract lyrics, heaviness, and maturity portray the INTJ type well. NIN is too simplistic (although I'm a fan), and not cerebral enough to really portray INTJ.

[elfece]

+1 for Tool.

[Uberfuhrer]

+1 for Tool.

I should have thought of them...but I was listening to NIN at the time.

I also think that some trance band would be fitting for INFJ.

[MrEPenguin]

You need to replace NIN with Rush.
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[Santana28]

TOOL is much more INTP to me....

i'd say NIN is probably closer to INFJ (not God, as popularly believed)

a good INTJ band/group? Don't neglect the rap and metal... i'd start thinking more in the Linkin Park/Gorillaz/Saul Williams direction....





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You need to replace NIN with Rush.
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:cool:

you need to cease living - NOW

(i'm being facetious btw)

[HeterodoxRobot]

Cher, Cher?!?!?!?

*vomits bile*

Trent Reznor can very well be an ENFP, so yeah...

ENFP:NIN

[Santana28]

While I think that NIN does portray INTJ in some ways, there are better choices.

Tool is probably more fitting. The combination of musical technicality, introspective abstract lyrics, heaviness, and maturity portray the INTJ type well. NIN is too simplistic (although I'm a fan), and not cerebral enough to really portray INTJ.

Read what you just wrote - abstract lyrics scream P to me. Some NIN material, while it can be simplistic at times - is very judgemental in nature. Trent stays on topic and beats it into the ground. I would side with it being more FJ than TJ (he talks more about feelings than concepts) but it is very J in nature and composition, at least in the earlier years and more recent work (we'll blame his meandering INTP albums on the drugs clouding his brain).

I would agree David Bowie's work is INTP rather than INTJ.

[MrEPenguin]

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you need to cease living - NOW

(i'm being facetious btw)

Dude, Rush is the most INTJ band imaginable.

[HeterodoxRobot]

Trent is an F, no doubt about it.

-He is one of two lyricists that I identify the most to.

-He is constantly growing/transforming, finding himself only to lose himself again.

-He is constantly battling the pain his emotional sensitivity affords him, and in an attempt to avoid feeling pain, he tries to force himself to feel nothing.

-He is a hurt idealist who understands himself and the motivations of people well.

-He battles with the cold truth regarding the ugliness of people and humanity.

Yup, Trent is a fallen Idealist.

[Uberfuhrer]

Cher, Cher?!?!?!?

*vomits bile*

Trent Reznor can very well be an ENFP, so yeah...

ENFP:NIN

A patriot of our own type, are we?

NIN is not an extroverted group -- how could an extroverted group be a one-man band? Although I'll change some things.

ENFJ: Marilyn Manson (a much more gregarious idealist)
INFJ: Nine Inch Nails
ENFP: Charles Manson
INFP: Enya

ENTJ: Rammstein
INTJ: Eisbrecher
ENTP: Weird Al Yankovic
INTP: David Bowie

(I also think that Eminem is an INxJ, but I didn't want to piss anyone off here.)

[nemo]

Weird Al?!? Blah.

I won't deny he's probably an ENTP, but I don't like. At all. Tom Lehrer is way better.

Mashup groups like Girl Talk (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) remind me of descriptions of Ne (stringing multiple things together and creating something new). Way cooler for ENP.

I always thought Trent was an NF too. He's like Franz Kafka in musician form.

Is this about artists who are of a certain type or music that "feels" like each type?

[Uberfuhrer]

Does it have anything to do with his being a mathematician?

I almost typed Skrewdriver as either ENTJ, INTJ, or ISTP, but I didn't want to take the crown from Rammstein and I didn't want to piss off the more cheerful, tolerant, and less angry INTJs and ISTPs.

What about William Shatner as ESTP?

[nemo]

It has to do with him being way more original, yup yup! Also more substance, a lot of Lehrer's songs were political; Weird Al is pure parody.

There's a massive difference between parody and satire.

lol @ "less angry INTJs."

I'm trying to think of hip-hop, but I'm kind of coming up blank. The symbolism/alternative realities of MF Doom could maybe be INJish.

[Uberfuhrer]

How about Summoning and Dimmu Borgir?

And Eminem certainly has the aspirational Se placement of an INxJ. His songs tend to express his vivid fantasies.

And if he's more political and not just parody, then I'd go with ENFP for Tom.

[Claptonian]

Why does the INTJ band have to be angsty and/or geeky? :laugh:

How about the Velvet Underground? They're brilliant, somewhat obscure, blunt, original, introspective, slightly psychotic and they had no respect for conventions. But, unlike NIN and Tool, they're not angsty and depressing, and, unlike Rush, they probably didn't get stuffed in lockers every day during high school.

Or maybe Cream. They were extremely competent and fully aware of it. Their music was revolutionary and hugely influential, and yet the average person probably doesn't even know about Cream. In other words, they built a system (hard rock/proto-heavy metal) and everyone else (Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath) stepped up and got the credit for it. Seems INTJ to me. :p

[Uberfuhrer]

Why does the INTJ band have to be angsty and/or geeky? :laugh:

That's why we changed some of it -- it's the INFJ who is angsty! ;D

[Santana28]

Marilyn Manson is MOST CERTAINLY ENTJ - read his lyrics. Holy crap is that guy cerebral. His music, to me, is the very definition of an NTJ approach to an SFP world he despises. He plays on the emotions of others - in a very calculated and precise manner. He is hated because he has made himself what the (SFP) world despises.

[HeterodoxRobot]

ENTP: Devo

Fo' shiz!!!





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Linkin Park: ESFP

[Jgib5328]

Uber, you are just naming bands that you know and it seems like you have a limited knowledge on different types of bands. Was Aqua the best that you could find for ESFP? They had like one song. Rob Zombie doesn't seem like a representative of ESTP music. Most ESTPs now listen to modern hip hop. ESTPs generally listen to something with a good sound, that has a lot of energy in it, but not so deep. Metallica as an ISTJ? What is your reasoning behind that? Backstreet Boys ESFJ? Why not Nsync ESFJ? They're pretty much the same shit. Why wouldn't you reference more popular bands either? I don't mean pop, but bands along the lines of Floyd or Zeppelin, some of the main bands.

[spittingvenom]

Again, I must profess my disappointment with you INTJs not recognizing one of the most amazing bands, and uber INTJs....The Pixies. Frank Black: ego, wicked sense of humor, dedicated and focused on his craft, constantly changing to better his music production, no one really understands him.

NIN, Blue Oyster Cult, Rush....are you kidding me? Way too mainstream to represent us.

[Uberfuhrer]

Um, this thread was split from the MBTI superlative thread.

We're not talking about listeners, we're talking about the themes certain bands tend to sing about. I was merely joking around. It was never meant to be taken so seriously.

I think this thread should be erased from existence, quite honestly. (I give mods permission to delete it.)

[ElstonGunn]

I like this idea. It makes me think about bands in a context other than one based simply on whether I like them or think that they are talented. If we were just going by which bands people like, then I'd have to call myself an INFP (based on the original list, here). For my money, it's pretty tough to find something more enjoyable than Bob Dylan (I read that he's an ISFP, though).

But as far as a band that could serve as a musical definition of an INTJ goes.... I think Cream isn't a bad idea. Jethro Tull also springs to mind, but I'm not an expert on that band. Those guitar shredder guys like Joe Satriani might fit, too, what with the whole specialized knowledge thing they have going on, there.


Edit: Not that I want to revive something that has been called a bad idea, but still...

[Solaris]

Marilyn Manson is MOST CERTAINLY ENTJ - read his lyrics. Holy crap is that guy cerebral. His music, to me, is the very definition of an NTJ approach to an SFP world he despises. He plays on the emotions of others - in a very calculated and precise manner. He is hated because he has made himself what the (SFP) world despises.

I could agree with that. He is obviously quite articulate when I've seen interviews with him. But do you think his music is representative of the ENTJ type? I haven't listened to enough of it to tell.

[Santana28]

I could agree with that. He is obviously quite articulate when I've seen interviews with him. But do you think his music is representative of the ENTJ type? I haven't listened to enough of it to tell.

very much so. he only chooses amazing technical musicians and each album has a completely different musical theme and style. pick up a copy of The Golden Age of the Grotesque - it's his take on 1930's German burlesque. Its amazing.

[Mafiaangel180]

Cher, Cher?!?!?!?

*vomits bile*

Trent Reznor can very well be an ENFP, so yeah...

ENFP:NIN


I really don't get the Cher thing. Stuck in 1988 much? ;D

Grrrrreat. Now I think I have one of her lame ass songs stuck in my head.

[DrEast]

Can I nominate Pink Floyd for INTJhood? Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall especially shriek INTJ to me.

(Of course, maybe I just WANT them to be INTJ because they're so very, very good.)

[Uberfuhrer]

I really don't get the Cher thing. Stuck in 1988 much? ;D

Grrrrreat. Now I think I have one of her lame ass songs stuck in my head.

I fear that Cher is a Socionics ENFp...

[HeterodoxRobot]

I fear that Chris Gaines is a Socionics INTj...

[Uberfuhrer]

I fear that Chris Gaines is a Socionics INTj...

Which socionics site did you go to?

I have proof (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) for mine! (Third on the top!)

[HeterodoxRobot]

Lol, you caught me.

Though the imaginary site I got mine at is probably just as reputable as yours.

[Claptonian]

But as far as a band that could serve as a musical definition of an INTJ goes.... I think Cream isn't a bad idea. Jethro Tull also springs to mind, but I'm not an expert on that band.

Tull's not bad, but I'm trying to steer INTJ's away from the geeky stereotype. Flute solos don't help with that. :laugh: :p

Those guitar shredder guys like Joe Satriani might fit, too, what with the whole specialized knowledge thing they have going on, there.

Sort of, but most shred is all about technical ability. Seems more ISTP to me.

[searcher]

I actually like My Chemical Romance. I wouldn't say that they personify INTJness but they are interesting to me because they are soooooo over the top emotional. Also there is a bitterness to their lyrics which I can relate to (this goes for most "emo" music). Oh, and I like the music (actual notes and melody).

[MetalWounds]

Mustaine's lyrics really speak NTJ, Listen to "Peace Sells". I'd have to nominate Megadeth as an NTJ band for sure.

[Mafiaangel180]

Bright Eyes....INFP. <3

[ShaiGar]

BAND/SINGER TYPE SUPERLATIVES
(I have no idea...)


ESFP: Aqua
ESTJ: Frank Sinatra
ISTJ: Metallica
INFJ: Marilyn Manson
INFP: Bob Dylan
ENTJ: Rammstein
INTP: David Bowie


aTo view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. but out of all of them, these are the only ones I like. I'm an ENTP.

I'd go for The Cat Empire as an ENTP group.

[MetalWounds]

ENFJ - Bruce Springsteen

[the human iPod]

David Bowie for INTP? Really? o_o... He's kind of overly F if you ask me.

[ElstonGunn]

Tull's not bad, but I'm trying to steer INTJ's away from the geeky stereotype. Flute solos don't help with that. :laugh: :p

Sort of, but most shred is all about technical ability. Seems more ISTP to me.

Good points. I read a Yngwie Malmsteen quote that went something like, "Anyone can learn to play fast, just like any one can learn to type fast. But not everyone can write a book."


Mustaine's lyrics really speak NTJ, Listen to "Peace Sells". I'd have to nominate Megadeth as an NTJ band for sure.

What do you mean, I hurt your feelings?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, I ain't kind?
I'm just not your kind.

Sounds about right. ;)

[ISDF]

Where Does Anyone Think Muse Or Green Day Goes Into?

[Claptonian]

Where Does Anyone Think Muse Or Green Day Goes Into?

Maybe INFJ for Muse and ESTP for Green Day?





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David Bowie for INTP? Really? o_o... He's kind of overly F if you ask me.

I don't think Bowie's overly F. A lot of his early stuff was quite intellectual, and glam rock, when it's good, is as ironic and calculating as it is exhuberant.

[EsoteriEccentri]

INFP or INFJ for Rogue from the Cruxshadows. Probably INFP?

INTP? for Ronan from VNV Nation, but I think he has strong F.

They are my two favourite bands.
^^

[the human iPod]

I don't think Bowie's overly F. A lot of his early stuff was quite intellectual, and glam rock, when it's good, is as ironic and calculating as it is exhuberant.

Hmm... I'm still not too sure about his intellectual side.

Where would the Beatles fall under? Specifically the later, psychedelic years, not the early, SP-joy fest. I'm thinking INFP...

[Claptonian]

Hmm... I'm still not too sure about his intellectual side.

Check out the Hunky Dory album. Lots of Nietzsche and Lovecraftian influence. "Gotta make way for the homo-superior!" :laugh:

Where would the Beatles fall under? Specifically the later, psychedelic years, not the early, SP-joy fest. I'm thinking INFP...

I think the Beatles are universal. SP's love the lighter stuff, NF's love "Blackbird" and other sensitive songs, NT's love "Happiness is a Warm Gun" type stuff and SJ's love the band because everyone else says they're the best band ever. :p

[ShaiGar]

Lettermen - Windmills of your mind for the INT types.

[Capwolf]

Mustaine's lyrics really speak NTJ, Listen to "Peace Sells". I'd have to nominate Megadeth as an NTJ band for sure.

Sure, J without question, but I've always thought of the music as way more (N)F than T.

[Mogura]

Any votes for Pulp or Jarvis Cocker for INTJ rep?

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[Uberfuhrer]

I think Megaherz is a rather INFJ band. (Although my favorite songs by them have the same angry and forceful German like Rammstein.)





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And Beach Boys are totally ESFP. Partly why I hate them so -- although not because of their type, per say, but because their type is the exact opposite of mine.

[brettsnyder]

It seems to me that Metallica should be more INTJ than ISTJ. If you listen to a lot of their lyrics, you can see that they are usually very logical, many times introspective, and you can see that James Hetfield is, at least, almost a definite Introvert, and a good candidate for being an INTJ. As well, the technical complexity of their music before 1991 screams INTJ to me.
Just my $0.02,

[Jgib5328]

And Beach Boys are totally ESFP. Partly why I hate them so -- although not because of their type, per say, but because their type is the exact opposite of mine.

You haven't listened to all of the Beach Boys. Brian Wilson is a genius and some of his later stuff was definitely N, most likely NF. Listen to Pet Sounds, considered the second best album of all time by rolling stone and is one of my favorite, or the Psychadelic Smile. The Beach Boys got really deep.

[the human iPod]

I think the Beatles are universal. SP's love the lighter stuff, NF's love "Blackbird" and other sensitive songs, NT's love "Happiness is a Warm Gun" type stuff and SJ's love the band because everyone else says they're the best band ever. :p

I would agree with this. Also, I think NT's would also instantly become fans of "I am the Walrus". It was this song that actually led me to become a fan of the Beatles and I've been borderline obsessed with their music and style ever since.

It's interesting how supposedly Paul is ESFP but yet many of the songs he has written (primarily with no help from John) speaks of N. The Fool on the Hill is a very good example of what I'm speaking of. His music and personality in general seems more like ENFP.

[ShaiGar]

ENFP - Billy Joel. So damn Obvious


[edit] just listened to I am A Walrus. I did not like it.

[Claptonian]

It's interesting how supposedly Paul is ESFP but yet many of the songs he has written (primarily with no help from John) speaks of N. The Fool on the Hill is a very good example of what I'm speaking of. His music and personality in general seems more like ENFP.

True, but Paul is also the master of a catchy melody, a good hook, and "silly love songs," which may be why people think he's ESFP. I definitely prefer John to Paul, and yet one of my favorte Beatles songs is a McCartney composition: "You Never Give Me Your Money". The way it builds blows me away every time. :)

And yes, I Am the Walrus is an incredible song. Especially when you find out that John basically wrote it just to fuck with people. :laugh:

[the human iPod]

True, but Paul is also the master of a catchy melody, a good hook, and "silly love songs," which may be why people think he's ESFP. I definitely prefer John to Paul, and yet one of my favorte Beatles songs is a McCartney composition: "You Never Give Me Your Money". The way it builds blows me away every time. :)

And yes, I Am the Walrus is an incredible song. Especially when you find out that John basically wrote it just to fuck with people. :laugh:

You Never Give Me Your Money is a very awesome song. I think that one and the Abbey Road Medley (Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End) Are among the best songs that Paul ever wrote.

The rumoured story surrounding I am the Walrus is as follows: Though it is attributed to being inspired by LSD (and this may very well be the case) the rumor is that some elementary school teacher of John's began taking his songs and making his students rigorously analyze them. John was offended by this and so he made "I am the Walrus" as a spiteful FUCK YOU to his teacher. I believe John is even quoted as saying "Let the fuckers try to figure that one out!"


[edit] just listened to I am A Walrus. I did not like it.
Hmm, could be an INTx thing? :P

[Claptonian]

The rumoured story surrounding I am the Walrus is as follows: Though it is attributed to being inspired by LSD (and this may very well be the case) the rumor is that some elementary school teacher of John's began taking his songs and making his students rigorously analyze them. John was offended by this and so he made "I am the Walrus" as a spiteful FUCK YOU to his teacher. I believe John is even quoted as saying "Let the fuckers try to figure that one out!"

I've heard basically the same story, though I heard it was a college professor and that John was more amused than offended. :laugh:

[the human iPod]

I've heard basically the same story, though I heard it was a college professor and that John was more amused than offended. :laugh:

That does sound more likely. :p

[DrEast]

I'd like to point out that "Blackbird" is my favorite Beatles song, and I am NOT an NF.

[ArchonAlarion]

I'd say Rush was INxx

Hemispheres shows they value both heart and mind. Plus think about "Closer to the Heart".

They were heavily influenced by Rand (worshipped INT's as gods), so I think they are well suited for the free thought and individuality of INxx's

[Metamorphosis]

ENFP:

Mindless Self Indulgence
Lords of Acid

[Mafiaangel180]

ENFP:

Mindless Self Indulgence
Lords of Acid

Mmm that sounds lovely. I might have to check them out.

[Jrrd]

If I had to slap a type of music on an INTJ I'd rather say a mechanical fugue. Like a Bach fugue... Not necessarily angry but calculated and fixed on a certain theme.

Exactly my thoughts. Bach's Art of Fugue screams INTJ.

[Erika Redmark]

I'm not a big fan of non-classical music in general, but I agree about the INTJhood of Metallica (granted, I only know one song, "One", since it was on Guitar Hero 3). I also think Iron Maiden is pretty INTJ (again, I know two songs fairly well from Guitar Hero games and some others on YouTube), although that might just be because the biggest fan of Iron Maiden I know is a (self-proclaimed) INTJ.

[Claptonian]

Metallica's too whiney and one-dimensional to be INTJ. I think Iron Maiden might be a little too big and flashy.

[errrzarrr]

what about Bob Marley and Pink Floyd? (also Yes and dream Theater)

[Erika Redmark]

In that case, maybe sloshy (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is an INTJ band…

[brettsnyder]

Metallica's too whiney and one-dimensional to be INTJ. I think Iron Maiden might be a little too big and flashy.

How is Metallica whiney? Or one-dimensional? Have you heard "The Call of Ktulu"? It is anything but one dimensional, in my opinion. I guess I can't entirely disagree with you if you are talking about anything after their "...And Justice for All" album, but even then, I don't think one-dimensional would apply.

[Claptonian]

How is Metallica whiney? Or one-dimensional? Have you heard "The Call of Ktulu"? It is anything but one dimensional, in my opinion. I guess I can't entirely disagree with you if you are talking about anything after their "...And Justice for All" album, but even then, I don't think one-dimensional would apply.

I haven't heard a ton of Metallica's stuff, and most of what I've heard is probably post "...And Justice for All." But I find the lyrics to lack intelligence. It's the kind of stuff that sounds deep but really holds very little significance. Also, Hetfield has said he writes lyrics based on exactly how many syllables he needs for each line to fit the melody, which I find leads to awkward sounding lyrics.

For example:

I have lost the will to live
Simply nothing more to give
There is nothing more for me
Need the end to set me free

Yes, it's the perfect amount of syllables and it rhymes, but it's a little too "perfect." It's the kind of thing a teenager would write when they're first delving into poetry.

I just don't think Hetfield is a particularly intelligent or artistic person. The tone of his voice when he's singing sounds too much like an angry, immature teenager.

[brettsnyder]

I will admit that a lot of Metallica's lyrics have a fairly simplistic meaning, again, mostly post 1991, but a great majority of their lyrics before then have significance, intelligence, and insight (Just my opinion of course). The song Fade to Black, which you partially quoted, is from before 1991, but it in particular is a fairly bad example of their work from that period in time. As well, if it has any significance, a large factor behind the way the lyrics sound is that Hetfield writes the melody and instrumental parts first, and the lyrics themselves are written to fit the melody after the fact.

And by the way, I should state that the "Justice" album (1988) fits in with their more complex earlier work, everything after but not including it was less complex and more simplistic. That was my mistake, my earlier post was not clear about that.

Good conversation, I enjoy this.

[integratedvelocity]

:embarassed: Who gets The Beatles?

Whoops, looks like you guys already decided that everyone gets The Beatles!

[Claptonian]

Good conversation, I enjoy this.


Me too. :) I wish I was more familiar with Metallica's work so it could be a more in-depth discussion, but thrash metal's not really my thing. I do actually like "Fade to Black" in spite of the lyrics and vocal performance.

[ChrisnOrbit]

I don't remember filling out a survey for songs I like..

How did you choose these bands? Either way I'm about to wikipedia Bob Dylan and see what I think.:)

EDIT: OH EMM GEE I actually like him.

[the human iPod]

Anyone else like Gnarls Barkley? I mean, I feel ashamed for bringing that band up, and I'm really not an avid hip-hop listener or anything. But I really do like GB's style. I still haven't bought their newest CD, though.

[Metamorphosis]

INTJ:

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[Parallel]

Um, how is what music you like in any way relevant to your mbti type? I think it's more based on cultural, personality, and societal influences more than anything. Everyone here is just going to name their favorite band and label it an "INTJ" band.

[punkyplatypus]

I've been thinking about how to approach this thread and I've found that it is quite hard finding bands that epitomize each of the MBTI types. However, after some thought, I was able to assign each type a genre of music. I'm not necessarily saying that my assumptions are better than any others nor that I have listed all possible musical genres; I just teamed each type with genres that seemed to fit it best in my mind given my experience with typing and music. I also tried to give a little of explanation for each. They are as follows:

ESTP: humorous, party animal types: rap, hair bands, punk bands (beastie boys, guns n roses?)
ISTP: focus on things that happen rather than personal feelings, about how things are & how they work: rap focusing on street life, children's music? ("the wheels on the bus", "old macdonald had a farm"?)
ESFP: actor/actress/performer types: dolly parton, will smith, etc
ISFP: emotional, calm, sometimes spontaneous, lacking words: jazz?

ESTJ: traditional music, patriotic music: country/folk music (more vocal than instrumental)
ISTJ: traditional music: country/folk music (more instrumental than vocal)
ESFJ: traditional music with "good" values: religious music, mild pop music
ISFJ: relating to internalized relationships, broken heart, moving on: some pop music, the blues, emo

ENFJ: relating to externalized love, relationships, broken hearts: romance&blues (barry white, prince?)
INFJ: never gonna give up attitude: teen pop music (pink?)
ENFP: has a cause, usually cheerful & optimistic: hippy music (peace & love?)
INFP: creative, spiritual, artistic, possibly nonverbal: monk chants, ballet music

ENTJ: powerful, opinionated, critical, pushing, inspiring, and to the point: politically based music (rage against the machine, rammstein?)
INTJ: being able to design a musical master piece without hearing it, may do cover songs trying to improve them or do remix, may spend a long time perfecting songs which may make teh songs themselves long: classical, techno, some metal and rock
ENTP: lyrics that don't necessarily match their life style, possible phonies or poseurs: lip-sync artists, gangster rappers who haven't been involved in anything gang related, musical "sellouts"
INTP: maybe mixes musical styles, creative, desire to move on to next project meaning many songs/albums, not consistent with sound, pushes limits: ska, rock with orchestra background, rap/rock mixes (the rolling stones?)

[the human iPod]

Great list! I've always wondered why I liked rock with orchestra backgrounds. XD

[azelismia]

How about Thomas Dolby for INTJ. He might be more intp.

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David Bowie as well.

[Aressera]

Another band that definitely exudes INTJ characteristics is Meshuggah (swedish math metal). Their music is precise, mechanical yet fluid, abstract (lyrically), and it pushes the envelope in almost every way.

[brettsnyder]

Another band that definitely exudes INTJ characteristics is Meshuggah (swedish math metal). Their music is precise, mechanical yet fluid, abstract (lyrically), and it pushes the envelope in almost every way.

I can't say I'm entirely familiar with much of Meshuggah's work, but judging by what songs of theirs I have heard, I certainly agree.

[Beery Swine]

I'm not too clear on the various other types, I know I'm INTJ after reading several descriptions/portraits of such, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and try my case for an INTJ band: Necrophagist.

Not very well-known, and yeah they're death metal, but if you look at the technicality, speed, overall experimental composition of the songs, and especially when you consider the background of Muhammed Suiçmez, I think its at least close. He came from a very strict and dogmatic religious family, his parents forbade him to learn guitar and his father smashed his first one as soon as he found it but Muhammed had already made the decision to play, so just bought another one shortly after. He listened to other bands' music and practiced endlessly, synthesizing what he needed and teaching himself to play, studied the lyrics of songs and wrote some that he thought would be fitting of the genre, learned to play bass out of the necessity to record tracks without a bassist at the time, meticulously programmed in the extremely fast and often tempo-changing beats on a drum machine and produced his first studio album. About the only thing not quite so INTJ is the neo-classical soloing, but then again, putting neo-classical solos on death metal tracks might just be quite off the beaten path.

If I'm way off here, please go easy on me.

[Aressera]

I'm not too clear on the various other types, I know I'm INTJ after reading several descriptions/portraits of such, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and try my case for an INTJ band: Necrophagist.


I think what you are describing is why a musician is probably an INTJ, with which I agree. This guy sounds like he could be. However, I think that the thread is really about deciding which bands portray a particular MBTI type through their music and lyrics, not which bands have INTJ members.

[Claptonian]

David Bowie as well.

David Bowie seems more fitting for INTP. Look at the way he jumped around genres throughout his career, and the way he got rid of his trademark band at the height of their success. His lyrics are very NT, but often without a clear cut point. He seems more like someone who indulges his intellectual curiosity, rather than a mastermind.

[Aronnax]

I haven't heard a ton of Metallica's stuff, and most of what I've heard is probably post "...And Justice for All."

That's kind of a shame, Cliff Burton was the heart of that band and when he died they went downhill fast. Hetfield was never the greatest lyricist but he was adequate; Metallica was really always about the instrumentals. Dig around a bit on youtube, most of the songs from their older albums are there if you feel like hearing them. I wouldn't classify Metallica as an "INTJ" band though.

If I had to pin a particular type of music to INTJ I'd probably say Miles Davis (especially his later stuff). Miles didn't care what you though about his music, he made it for himself and it's incredibly sharp and deep.

[azelismia]

David Bowie seems more fitting for INTP. Look at the way he jumped around genres throughout his career, and the way he got rid of his trademark band at the height of their success. His lyrics are very NT, but often without a clear cut point. He seems more like someone who indulges his intellectual curiosity, rather than a mastermind.


yeah I can see that.

[quest ion]

I think the accuracy of such generalisations is tiny. Music isn't something that can be classified into something like this.

[Beery Swine]

I think what you are describing is why a musician is probably an INTJ, with which I agree. This guy sounds like he could be. However, I think that the thread is really about deciding which bands portray a particular MBTI type through their music and lyrics, not which bands have INTJ members.

Hmmm. Then I'll definitely say that Nile is INTJ. They don't really conform to anything in the metal scene, and I think INTJs are the most individualistic type. Most of their songs are about some aspect of ancient Egyptian culture and religion, a few are about Cthulhian mythos. The drum patterns, the guitar riffs (if you can even call them that), the solos, the length and nebulous nature of some of their songs, all seem quite INTJ.

Maybe we should have, like,"of this genre, this band represents this type, that band that type" thing. Someone could do a list of classical composers or individual compositions according to each type, someone else could do jazz, etc. That might be more fitting.

[EsoteriEccentri]

INFP or INFJ for Rogue from the Cruxshadows. Probably INFP?

INTP? for Ronan from VNV Nation, but I think he has strong F.

They are my two favourite bands.
^^

VNV Nation´s inspiration was originally the clash of modern and classical Europe cultures, where mythology and technology live in an uneasy fusion but this has since broadened to encompass a world view. The music ranges from electronic dance music to ballads and classical inspired music. Inspirations are taken from a wide range of styles including contemporary underground club culture, industrial and classical music. The lyrics draw on philosophy, literature, art, politics and different forms of symbolism. VNV Nation does not advocate any ideology. It is a metaphor for expression.

-From VNV's website.


That sounds quite INTP to me? Perhaps.

VNV stands for Victory not Vengeance (because their motto is One should strive to achieve; not sit in bitter regret.) in case that helps, although that's not hugely INTP, I don't think?

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Though really here I'm trying to type Ronan, not the band (Because Ronan IS VNV Nation, really) and with the Cruxshadows I was really trying to type Rogue, not the band. (Again, because Rogue is really the Cruxshadows on his own. At least in my opinion)

[Uberfuhrer]

Nightwish is a very INFJ/INFP band, in my opinion. And I love it as well.

[ArchonAlarion]

well I like my favorite bands are:

Rush
Dragon Force
Blind Guardian
Nightwish

I think Punkyplatypus's post is right on, at least for me.

[Lrigyttiw]

Rush is the quintessential INTJ band, musically and lyrically. It makes sense as to why I love them/identify with their music so much.

[Terian]

I've been thinking about how to approach this thread and I've found that it is quite hard finding bands that epitomize each of the MBTI types. However, after some thought, I was able to assign each type a genre of music. I'm not necessarily saying that my assumptions are better than any others nor that I have listed all possible musical genres; I just teamed each type with genres that seemed to fit it best in my mind given my experience with typing and music. I also tried to give a little of explanation for each. They are as follows:

ESTP: humorous, party animal types: rap, hair bands, punk bands (beastie boys, guns n roses?)
ISTP: focus on things that happen rather than personal feelings, about how things are & how they work: rap focusing on street life, children's music? ("the wheels on the bus", "old macdonald had a farm"?)
ESFP: actor/actress/performer types: dolly parton, will smith, etc
ISFP: emotional, calm, sometimes spontaneous, lacking words: jazz?

ESTJ: traditional music, patriotic music: country/folk music (more vocal than instrumental)
ISTJ: traditional music: country/folk music (more instrumental than vocal)
ESFJ: traditional music with "good" values: religious music, mild pop music
ISFJ: relating to internalized relationships, broken heart, moving on: some pop music, the blues, emo

ENFJ: relating to externalized love, relationships, broken hearts: romance&blues (barry white, prince?)
INFJ: never gonna give up attitude: teen pop music (pink?)
ENFP: has a cause, usually cheerful & optimistic: hippy music (peace & love?)
INFP: creative, spiritual, artistic, possibly nonverbal: monk chants, ballet music

ENTJ: powerful, opinionated, critical, pushing, inspiring, and to the point: politically based music (rage against the machine, rammstein?)
INTJ: being able to design a musical master piece without hearing it, may do cover songs trying to improve them or do remix, may spend a long time perfecting songs which may make teh songs themselves long: classical, techno, some metal and rock
ENTP: lyrics that don't necessarily match their life style, possible phonies or poseurs: lip-sync artists, gangster rappers who haven't been involved in anything gang related, musical "sellouts"
INTP: maybe mixes musical styles, creative, desire to move on to next project meaning many songs/albums, not consistent with sound, pushes limits: ska, rock with orchestra background, rap/rock mixes (the rolling stones?)I actually prefer music with excellent lyrics that don't always say what they mean, or portrays ideas in a different/ poetic way. It gives me a new puzzle to figure out.
Current favorite bands: Anberlin, Relient K

[punkyplatypus]

I actually prefer music with excellent lyrics that don't always say what they mean, or portrays ideas in a different/ poetic way. It gives me a new puzzle to figure out.
Current favorite bands: Anberlin, Relient K

I wasn't listing musical styles those MBTI types would necessarily like. I think you can be any type and enjoy any type of music. I was listing styles of music that seem to portray characteristics of each type. After looking at it again the ENTP music style description came out sounding most insulting for some reason. That definitely wasn't my aim, so please don't take any offense. I basically took descriptions I found for ENTPs (charming, out going, friendly, perceptive, skillful/sophisitcated with communication, confident, anticipate trends, take reasonable risks, need to be accepted, engaging storytellers, enthusiastic, persuasive, innovative, creative, clever, witty, funny, entertaining, flexible, adaptable, logical, analytical, indecisive, curious, open minded, "bark is bigger than their bite", considered inconsistent, confusing, misleading) and chose the musical genres that seemed to have those same characteristics. There might be other musical possibilities that would fit better, but those were the ones that came to mind first.

[Terian]

I wasn't listing musical styles those MBTI types would necessarily like. I think you can be any type and enjoy any type of music. I was listing styles of music that seem to portray characteristics of each type. After looking at it again the ENTP music style description came out sounding most insulting for some reason. That definitely wasn't my aim, so please don't take any offense. I basically took descriptions I found for ENTPs (charming, out going, friendly, perceptive, skillful/sophisitcated with communication, confident, anticipate trends, take reasonable risks, need to be accepted, engaging storytellers, enthusiastic, persuasive, innovative, creative, clever, witty, funny, entertaining, flexible, adaptable, logical, analytical, indecisive, curious, open minded, "bark is bigger than their bite", considered inconsistent, confusing, misleading) and chose the musical genres that seemed to have those same characteristics. There might be other musical possibilities that would fit better, but those were the ones that came to mind first.Heh, don't worry about it. There never was any offense taken. I was just meaning that my traits as an ENTP lead me to enjoy a different set of specifications when I'm listening to music. ;)
"ENTP's are good at analysis, especially functional analysis, and have both a tolerance for and enjoyment of the complex."
"ENTP's wish to exercise their ingenuity in the world of people and things."

[Nameless]

I can't think of many at the moment, but Autechre would be the perfect INTJ, with Merzbow maybe an INTP.

[brad]

INTJ....

I'm down with Velvet Underground.

Death Cab? I'm almost positive Ben Gibbard is an INTJ from the lyrics on the new album. Wishful thinking, maybe.

As for other genres, how about Saul Williams? I don't know him well enough to say whether he's a N or S, though.

[taoista]

Jimi Hendrix for INFP and ISFP, I guess.

Totally.

[KillWinter]

Wrong.
INTJ is puscifer.

h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puscifer

Bumping old thread.

[Vagrant]

INTJ would be Tool, A Perfect Circle, or Puscifer. Maynard James Keenan's bands seem to be very INTJish.

IE Vicarious' lyrics and video are a perfect example:

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[MrFlaneur]

from a british INT+ slant you have:

massive attack - mezzanine
burial - if you dont know this one please feel free to investigate
roni size
boards of canada
cinematic orchestra
kings of convenience
aphex twin

etc etc etc

[Nightelf]

For which type do you think Moby fits?

[nihil]

:embarassed: Who gets The Beatles?

Shotgun for John Lennon.


INTP: (the rolling stones?)

PAINT IT BLACK, I'll take it.

[Aressera]

For which type do you think Moby fits?

I'd say INFJ or possibly INFP.

[disquared]

J.S. Bach would seem like the quintessential definition of INTJ music. His Chaconne for violin in d minor, btw, is probably the greatest musical work ever done.

[LiamWolf]

YOU STOLE MY IDEA!


Really, however, I like alot of the bands listed. I only like a few Weird Al songs, but the ones I like. I really like.

[tps]

INTJ: being able to design a musical master piece without hearing it, may do cover songs trying to improve them or do remix, may spend a long time perfecting songs which may make teh songs themselves long: classical, techno, some metal and rock

I'm throwing Dream Theater into the room.

[Samoan Corleone]

ENTJ: powerful, opinionated, critical, pushing, inspiring, and to the point: politically based music

The Doors (Five To One) and Public Enemy (just about every song in their catelogue) - my E always takes over when listening to them. I wish Jim Morrison and Chuck D could've collaborated. Thanks to the power of the mashup, it's possible.

[Phyconaut]

Rush for INTJ music done by the numbers their free thinking's ideas and you cant forget about this song summing up the INTJ's narcissistic side

Know your place in life is where you want to be
Dont let them tell you that you owe it all to me
Keep on looking forward, no use in looking round
Hold your head above the ground and they wont bring you
Down

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind
A funeral dirge for eyes gone blind
We marvel after those who sought
New wonders in the world, wonders in the world,
Wonders in the world they wrought

Live for yourself -- theres no one else
More worth living for
Begging hands and bleeding hearts will
Only cry out for more

Well, I know theyve always told you
Selfishness was wrong
Yet it was for me, not you, i
Came to write this song


look at the last line and you will see what i mean :)

[Plane Stress]

How about Oasis for ENTx maybe? They might be a bit F though.
Kraftwerk screams INTJ to me

[Arcturus]

NIN = INTJ? God no. Reznor is another archetypal INFP gone wrong. Something akin to Manson in that respect. Both are bands I simply have no time for.

Sadly, many of my INTJ friends are Rush fanatics; while I appreciate their instrumental talent, I just can't call their music 'music' so much as high-brow snobbery, it sounds god-awful too. Nothing against Canadians; I'm a MASSIVE Arcade Fire and GY!BE fan, so..

As for the best musician I could plausibly identify as INTJ - yes, it's Eminem. Externalizes JUDGEMENTS not PERCEPTIONS, which in his case I believe to be THOUGHTS driven by an intensely astute INTUITION. I apologize if this is an oversimplification. I'd definitely agree with Aphex Twin being INTJ, as well as Steven Malkmus of Pavement.

Sadly, I just don't identify with the majority of musicians described as being 'NTJ;' I think NFPs, SFPs and NTPs make better music. I will concede that I very much appreciate J-type lyrics as these are a refreshing change (hearing judgements as opposed to perceptions in music) in a realm dominated by P-types.

There's my five cent commentary.

Some analyses:

Bowie: ENFP
Iggy Pop: ENTP
Lennon: INTP
Jim Morrison: very well-developed ENFP, or ENTP
Win Butler (Arcade Fire): ENTP
Thom Yorke (Radiohead): INTP?
Black Francis (Pixies): INTJ/ISTJ?
Robert Smith (The Cure): INFP
Ian Curtis (Joy Division): INFP
Lou Reed: ? need help with this one
Steve Malkmus (Pavement): INTJ
Billy Corgan: ISTP
System of a Down: ENTJ
John Frusciante: INFP/INFJ?

[Arcturus]

I forgot...the greatest INTJ musician of them all...Isaac Brock!

In response to heckler crying out "you suck," Brock's response:

"Awww we got some hecklers....how cute....aren't they cute?
Hey, keep it up....one day you might be some kind of Super Heckler...
like...king sh*t of fu*k mountain heckler..."

After which, he dismisses the ordeal entirely and proceeds directly into song.

LOL. (hope I don't receive a warning for that).

[iseesound]

I've been a Tool fan for aslong as I can remember, I can totally see how they are INTP/INTJ.

I bet anything that The Mars Volta fall into INTP/INFP range.

I wonder about Opeth, though.

[Shorgenfunkel]

I wonder about Opeth, though.

Their music and lyrics strike me as INFJ (with a weak J), but I'd suspect Akerfeldt himself is an ENTP; he struck me that way with his witticisms when I saw them last October. (Mindblowing show, by the way.)

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Here are the ones I'm sure about; I don't know enough about SJ music though, and there's just so much NF music that it's hard to sift through it all and put types on some.


ESTP: Motorhead

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Rip-snortin', fast approach to music and lyrics, with a good dose of Ti to maintain complexity.

ISTP: The Lord Weird Slough Feg

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Many of their lyrics are metaphorical, however they almost always deal with solitary figures who do physical things. Also, their music carries a very distinct ISTP tone to it, with its outward carefree Se style, carried by the exacting composition of Ti.

ESFP: Electric Eel Shock

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Everything they do is all in the name of fun. Simple, hard-hitting, engaging music combined with hilariously Engrish lyrics make these guys awesome live, and obvious ESFPs.

ISFP: Otyg

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Reserved, subdued music about nature and Swedish folktales.


ESTJ: Stormtroopers of Death

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Their debut album, the only good one and the only one that really matters, is called "Speak English or Die." With that and other hilarious non-PC lyrics about forcing others to adhere to accepted standards, they have to be ESTJ.


INFJ: Opeth

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A lot of their lyrics are about seeing into the spiritual realm, and that almost invariably takes place within solitude. Also, their music has the stereotypical INFJ stubbornness to it.


ENTJ: Devin Townsend

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All of his music, both in Strapping Young Lad and out, conveys an extremely forceful personality that also likes to contemplate complex issues. However, most of the time, the ridiculousness takes over, and it's combined with extreme ENTJ force.

INTJ: Atheist

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Their music sounds like a death stare, and technical prowess is displayed with confidence, but is never very flashy. Their lyrics deal with complex issues, and their albums can take quite a few listens to get to know, or even to get all the way through.

ENTP: Tom Lehrer

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This guy's dominant Ne pulls rhymes that most people didn't know existed out of seemingly nowhere. His witticisms are plentiful and a bit "out there."

INTP: Spiral Architect

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These guys could be confused with Atheist. However, their lyrics are more introspective and have to do with issues of philosophy and thought rather than environmentalism and worldly pursuits. They play with seemingly impossible precision, almost robotically. Their music has little practical application for casual listening, it's really only meant for dedicated listening with concentration.

[morganj8]

Bowie: ENFP
Iggy Pop: ENTP
Lennon: INTP
Jim Morrison: very well-developed ENFP, or ENTP
Win Butler (Arcade Fire): ENTP
Thom Yorke (Radiohead): INTP?
Black Francis (Pixies): INTJ/ISTJ?
Robert Smith (The Cure): INFP
Ian Curtis (Joy Division): INFP
Lou Reed: ? need help with this one
Steve Malkmus (Pavement): INTJ
Billy Corgan: ISTP
System of a Down: ENTJ
John Frusciante: INFP/INFJ?

In my opinion John Lennon fits into the INFP category.

[Kensington]

The Black Keys

[NoStoneUnturned]

Nine inch nails is crap.... i think they're for sensing people..

The band VAST has an intuitive side that i think INTJ's can dig.

[Sly]

Marcy Playground - John Wozniak <-- INTJ !!

[SShack]

I stumbled across an old They Might Be Giants tape a couple of days ago. ENTP crazyness!

[rvangelder]

how about kraftwerk?

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electronic music really appeals to me

[mnmeq]

ween - something ntp I would guess

[bdz]

ESTP: classic rock, maybe gangster rap if it's funny/outrageous
ISTP: post-rock?
ESFP: pop music, dance music
ISFP: classical

ESTJ: classic rock, corny 80s bands
ISTJ: jazz?
ESFJ: songs about morality, dramatic songs
ISFJ: songs about suffering or duty

ENFJ: always plays something that everyone enjoys listening to, chameleon so dependent on the crowd
INFJ: popular hip hop, new order
ENFP: bob dylan, folk singers
INFP: EMO, sometimes have great taste in dance music, "indie rock"

ENTJ: heavy metal, gangster rap
INTJ: "intelligent dance music", aphex twin, kraftwerk, brian eno, post-rock like Godspeed! You Black Emporer
ENTP: music with witty lyrics, music that doesn't follow the traditional verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus outline
INTP: hip hop, rock

[Shorgenfunkel]

ISTJ: jazz?

Jazz is probably the last genre I would have thought of for ISTJ. Does G#7(b9, b13)/D sound ISTJ to you?

The whole foundation of jazz is improvisation, and nontraditional players are generally held in higher regard (as long as they have adequate chops) than those who strictly follow the lead sheets.

I'd think that baroque (excluding Bach, because he broke all his own rules) would be a good ISTJ genre.

(To the other music nerds on the forum: yes, I know I could have written that as G#7alt/D, but it didn't look ridiculous enough that way.)

[Josephine1012]

I noticed that more often than any other types INTJs really like classical music.

[bdz]

Jazz is probably the last genre I would have thought of for ISTJ. Does G#7(b9, b13)/D sound ISTJ to you?

The whole foundation of jazz is improvisation, and nontraditional players are generally held in higher regard (as long as they have adequate chops) than those who strictly follow the lead sheets.

I'd think that baroque (excluding Bach, because he broke all his own rules) would be a good ISTJ genre.

(To the other music nerds on the forum: yes, I know I could have written that as G#7alt/D, but it didn't look ridiculous enough that way.)

Haha, I agree. I wasn't sure about that one at all, hence the question mark :P Good to know!

[Jackie]

Autechre is a good pick. I lean towards something more machine like and inorganic in sound for some reason.

The band I think that is INTJ-like is Grendel. I think of this song specifically.

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Neutral Milk Hotel seems to have music that mimics my mind when I'm filled with thoughts.

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I also think the artist Rob Dougan is a good choice. I mainly listen to the instrumental versions of the songs, but here is a good one with singing.

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Another good artist is Earth Wind and Fire. This song in particular captures the awesome essence of INTJ's quite well.

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I don't know about you, but I tend to think as INTJ's we have a lot of self confidence and a belief we are right. This song by Richard Wagner resonates the successful spirit of INTJs.

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I don't think lyrics should matter with a song. It doesn't matter what they say, I will think and feel different things from what they are saying every time. Deep lyrics don't mean anything if you can't feel it in the song.

[baal]

for the love of all that is rational and logical how in the hell do you think that wangster is anything close to Ni period

[Maddy]

ESTP: lil john
ISTP: queens of the stone age
ESFP: lady gaga
ISFP: the white stripes

ESTJ: toby keith
ISTJ: dave matthews band
ESFJ: sarah mclaughlin
ISFJ: ani difranco

ENFJ: widespread panic
INFJ: skinny puppy
ENFP: gnarles barkley
INFP: eric clapton

ENTJ: system of a down
INTJ: ???
ENTP: ???
INTP: the dead milkmen

[Benzebub]

I'm not a big fan of non-classical music in general, but I agree about the INTJhood of Metallica (granted, I only know one song, "One", since it was on Guitar Hero 3). I also think Iron Maiden is pretty INTJ (again, I know two songs fairly well from Guitar Hero games and some others on YouTube), although that might just be because the biggest fan of Iron Maiden I know is a (self-proclaimed) INTJ.

What´s so INTJ about those bands, really? Most of Iron Maiden´s songs and One by Metallica deal mostly with historic events which seem really Si. Lyric-wise they are too concrete to have any trace of N{i,e}.





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(I also think that Eminem is an INxJ, but I didn't want to piss anyone off here.)
He gives quite a few INFJ hints now that you mention it.





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System of a Down: ENTJ

I would rather type System of a Down as quite ENFP actually.

[SShack]

ENTP: ???

An ENTP would totally listen to a band called "???"

[Shorgenfunkel]

An ENTP would totally listen to a band called "???"

Well, there IS a band called "!!!".

[aku chi]

I don't think Pearl Jam has been mentioned yet; I think they best represent INFJ musicians. Eddie Vedder in particular seems to be INFJ and he writes the majority of their lyrics and a large portion of their music. In their songs, Pearl Jam often uses people and relationships to convey a larger social problem (Even Flow, Jeremy, Why Go, Daughter, Betterman, etc...), which seems to indicate Fe and Ni at work. Pearl Jam is also occasionally introspective and brooding (Alive, Release, Indifference) indicating introversion but also hinting at some powerful Fi. Perhaps another member (Gossard?) is an INFP or this is simply Eddie Vedder's shadow Fi. Outside of their music Pearl Jam's refusal to sell out, going so far as to refuse making music videos and boycotting ticketmaster in the '90s, clearly indicates the independence and integrity common to INJs.

Matt Cameron, drummer for Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, might be an INTJ. He is a very technical drummer with an aptitude for composing and performing songs in complicated time signatures. His compositions in Pearl Jam include abstract songs that don't directly involve people (Cropduster, In the Moonlight), a rare type of song that could be natural for an INTJ. Actually, he probably could be any kind of INXX.

I suspect Neil Peart, Rush's drummer and primary lyricist, is an INTJ. Again, he is a very technical drummer with contributions in unusual time signatures. His lyrical compositions include abstract political and social commentaries (Spirit of Radio, The Trees) and reflections of personal integrity and responsibility (Limelight, Spirit of Radio, Freewill). He also likes Ayn Rand and Objectivism...

[Monkeymang]

A INTJ wouldn't even like rock because its EMO, and lyrically is so worthless in comparison to the directly metaphor based style of rap.

Lil wayne= INTJ maybe

[Sly]

Gnarls Barkley as an INTJ?? I think so! Check the lyrics from a couple of his songs below...

Crazy
Yeah, I was out of touch
But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
I just knew too much


Whatever
I don't have any friends at all
Cause I have nothin in common with y'all
So who's gonna catch me if I fall?
My back's always against the wall
I don't have anything to say
I want everything to go my way
Shut up mom! It is not okay
I'm alone almost every day





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A INTJ wouldn't even like rock because its EMO, and lyrically is so worthless in comparison to the directly metaphor based style of rap.

Lil wayne= INTJ maybe

If Lil Wayne was an INTJ I would shoot myself. I don't think so...

[Monkeymang]

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Song is strong enough to give me goosebumps. Very well suited for my burning ambition/dreams.

[Synapse]

While I think that NIN does portray INTJ in some ways, there are better choices.

Tool is probably more fitting. The combination of musical technicality, introspective abstract lyrics, heaviness, and maturity portray the INTJ type well. NIN is too simplistic (although I'm a fan), and not cerebral enough to really portray INTJ.

+1 for Tool
+.5 for NIN

I agree that Tool is very INTJ, their topics deal with individuality, acceptance, independence of thoughts and mindsets, censorship, etc. and Maynard is dissectional when dealing with people (he prefers to pick them apart and examine their faults rather than their assets as well) and writes songs about that, even though many people (and I agree with them) say that Maynard is an INTP.

NIN is certainly INTJ, Reznor is one of the more obvious INTJs to come out of contemporary music: exhibiting an introspective nihilistic point of view on everyone and analyzing people down to how useless they are to him (many songs of his are about how the world f--ked him over, whether it be a girlfriend or someone else). He is such an angry Te who judges just about everyone, pretty obvious.

Lil' Wayne, well I have fought over what MBTI he actually is, I would go with INFJ, for being somewhat pansy-ish, but displaying a very obvious J.

I agree that Eddie Vedder is an INFJ, and I would say that Zach de la Rocha is an ENFJ for the same reason (single relationship = social problem), but de la Rocha is very vocal, so he gets an E instead of I.

Chris Cornell = INFP, maybe? I'm still in debate, but a lot of his songs are about breaking out of barriers you place for yourself and not judging people by appearances, and they are also very brooding and dark introspective little things (Cornell was incredibly depressed back in Soundgarden's heyday).

[Shorgenfunkel]

A INTJ wouldn't even like rock because its EMO

Last time I checked, emo was emo. Rock, however, was rock.

Where do you get your information?

[Monkeymang]

I'm sure calling racket (rock) racket doesn't sound as nice as calling rock emo? Music in general could be called EMO imo.

[Shorgenfunkel]

I'm sure calling racket (rock) racket doesn't sound as nice as calling rock emo? Music in general could be called EMO imo.

Actually, "racket," or the closest thing to it, noise, is already considered a genre. Merzbow, SikTh (actually noisecore), and even John Cage are considered noise.

Of course music could be called "emo," but the word "music" sounds better than two vowels and a soft consonant.

[rhane]

INTJ: A State of Trance (radioshow) with Armin van Buuren

[MrFlaneur]

I may have asked this before but - has anyone heard of burial

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A few of my faves

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just a few of my favourite things - enjoy!

[Monkeymang]

Its a shame you have your intellect tied into racket :) j/k

[bdz]

INTP: the dead milkmen

I love these guys, they're hilarious!! An INFP ex turned me onto them.

[endless]

+1 for Rush as INTJ

[IdentityClick]

Lol, I highly doubt that there are any decent INTJ musicians, or any decent T musicians for that matter PERIOD. T musicians quite frankly don't have the imagination to manufacture any kind of decent music. They can certainly get wrapped up in the technical aspects of it, though, even if they'd hardly be able to efficiently pull off any music with real meaning or entertainment value behind it.

Marilyn Manson is MOST CERTAINLY ENTJ - read his lyrics.
Nope, he isn't. He's way too insightful into human nature and life around him to be a T. It doesn't surprise that an INTJ or an ENTJ would be the types cocky enough to claim someone they admire as one of their own, though.

[Mickehh]

ENTP: music with witty lyrics, music that doesn't follow the traditional verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus outline

That would also match INTP.

[SShack]

Lol, I highly doubt that there are any decent INTJ musicians, or any decent T musicians for that matter PERIOD. T musicians quite frankly don't have the imagination to manufacture any kind of decent music. They can certainly get wrapped up in the technical aspects of it, though, even if they'd hardly be able to efficiently pull off any music with real meaning or entertainment value behind it.


Nope, he isn't. He's way too insightful into human nature and life around him to be a T. It doesn't surprise that an INTJ or an ENTJ would be the types cocky enough to claim someone they admire as one of their own, though.

You really, really, really, reaaaaaaaaaally need to read more about MBTI, particularly NTs.


Really.

[IdentityClick]

You really, really, really, reaaaaaaaaaally need to read more about MBTI, particularly NTs.


Really.
:laugh:

Care to elaborate on what I've got wrong here? Do you honestly think that the NT method of technicalizing creates better music than what NF's can create?

If one understands the underlying theories of MBTI, they'll know the following:

- Music is about creating sounds that are emotionally pleasing. That's why people choose to listen to it. And, naturally, feelers would have a better sense than thinkers as to what 'sounds' more emotionally pleasing. That gives NF's the advantage over NT's in writing music.

- NF's, by nature, are more imaginative than NT's. F enhances N and leads to an NF inner life more vivid and richer than that of the NT inner life. Thus, an NF would able to create music that is deeper and more creative than that of an NT.

- Feelers are more empathetic and have a deeper understanding of the emotional context of society and other people. That's what allows Marilyn Manson to create lyrics that're so emotionally adept.

- The one advantage that NT's would have over NF's in creating music would be technical proficiency. Most people don't look for technical proficiency in music, though. They look for music that's evocative and imaginative. Unfortunately, NT's here seem to think that technical precision can be mistaken for good music, when it can't.

[Aristocrat Porn]

Last time I checked, emo was emo. Rock, however, was rock.

Where do you get your information?

I guess no one ever taught you not to use the word your defining in the definition. As to rock being emo and that somehow being related to intjs, i'm also clueless.

[SShack]

:laugh:

Care to elaborate on what I've got wrong here? Do you honestly think that the NT method of technicalizing creates better music than what NF's can create?

If one understands the underlying theories of MBTI, they'll know the following:

- Music is about creating sounds that are emotionally pleasing. That's why people choose to listen to it. And, naturally, feelers would have a better sense than thinkers as to what 'sounds' more emotionally pleasing. That gives NF's the advantage over NT's in writing music.

- NF's, by nature, are more imaginative than NT's. F enhances N and leads to an NF inner life more vivid and richer than that of the NT inner life. Thus, an NF would able to create music that is deeper and more creative than that of an NT.

- Feelers are more empathetic and have a deeper understanding of the emotional context of society and other people. That's what allows Marilyn Manson to create lyrics that're so emotionally adept.

- The one advantage that NT's would have over NF's in creating music would be technical proficiency. Most people don't look for technical proficiency in music, though. They look for music that's evocative and imaginative. Unfortunately, NT's here seem to think that technical precision can be mistaken for good music, when it can't.

First of all, don't put words in my mouth, okay? There's nothing in your initial post that stated a competition between NTs and NFs.

You did say something, however, so breathtakingly ridiculous that I just have to highlight it:

T musicians quite frankly don't have the imagination to manufacture any kind of decent music

You are completely confusing the T/F axis and the N/S axis. NTs are exactly as imaginative as NFs because they are both intuitives. The T/F function has absolutely nothing to do with imagination. It is the decision-making component of a person's type. It has absolutely no bearing on a person's competency with the arts or any creative process -- only their decisions on the manner by which they express them.

Your statements are confusing STs with NTs. STs are "technicians." NTs are innovators. Rational, yes, but also imaginative.

[IdentityClick]

NTs are exactly as imaginative as NFs because they are both intuitives.
No, they aren't. F enhances imagination and makes it more vivid. And no, it can't be disputed. It's a fact. Do some research and you'll see that it's one of the things typologists noticed when they studied NF's. That's why NF's are known for being more empathetic, because they're more able to imagine themselves in other people's situations.

It's one of the basic ideas of MBTI. NF's are described as being more imaginative and creative. NT's are described as being more inventive and technically proficient. If you look at official personality descriptions, INFP's and INFJ's in particular are described as having the "richest" inner lives of all types.

There's a reason why NF's are called the quintissential 'idealists' and 'dreamers', which are terms that our society gives to people with powerful imaginations. It's interesting that you should tell me that I'm the one who needs to read into MBTI more when you don't even know one of the most basic ideas of MBTI- the NF imagination.





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Sshack, I recommend actually googling INFJ and INFP type descriptions and comparing them to INTJ and INTP type descriptions. Just look at the way the types are described, and you'll see that the NF's are often described as being more creative/imaginative and having richer inner lives. If you don't want to take my word for it, then do the research.

It seems to me that you're basing your ideas about type on what you see here on the INTJ forum, which isn't a good idea because of most of what is said on this site is very inaccurate and based on wishful thinking more than anything else. If there's one quality about INTJ's that stands out the most, it's that they have profoundly inflated views of their own abilities. Obviously, that applies to all NT's. It applies especially to INTJ's, though. It only makes sense that the group of NT's on this forum are so deluded that they don't realize that they have plenty of flaws, and there're things that NF's can do better than them.

[SShack]

No, they aren't. F enhances imagination and makes it more vivid. That's why NF's are known for being more empathetic, because they're more able to imagine themselves in other people's situations.

It's one of the basic ideas of MBTI. NF's are described as being more imaginative and creative. NT's are described as being more inventive and technically proficient. If you look at official personality descriptions, INFP's and INFJ's in particular are described as having the "richest" inner lives of all types.

There's a reason why NF's are called the quintissential 'idealists' and 'dreamers', which are terms that our society gives to people with powerful imaginations. It's interesting that you should tell me that I'm the one who needs to read into MBTI more when you don't even know one of the most basic ideas of MBTI- the NF imagination.

ENTPs are known as "visionaries." Since you seem to be so insistent on ranking imagination levels based superficial type descriptions, does a visionary have more or less imagination than a dreamer or idealist? Do you realize that "inventive" is the rational application of "imaginative" while "empathy" is the emotional application of "imaginative" (more particularly the Fe version, actually). Again, imagination is absolutely not tied to the T/F axis. It's the manner of application of the imagination.

Sshack, I recommend actually googling INFJ and INFP type descriptions and comparing them to INTJ and INTP type descriptions. Just look at the way the types are described, and you'll see that the NF's are often described as being more creative/imaginative and having richer inner lives.

It seems to me that you're basing your ideas about type on what you see here on the INTJ forum, which isn't a good idea because of most of what is said on this site is very inaccurate and based on wishful thinking more than anything else. If there's one quality about INTJ's that stands out the most, it's that they have profoundly inflated views of their own abilities. Obviously, that applies to all NT's. It applies especially to INTJ's, though. It only makes sense that the group of NT's on this forum are so deluded that they don't realize that they have plenty of flaws, and there're things that NF's can do better than them.

I really, really, REALLY don't need your assistance in understanding the types. And as we're getting way off the topic of music, I'll just wish you luck during your stay here on these forums and leave it at that.

[IdentityClick]

Do you realize that "inventive" is the rational application of "imaginative" while "empathy" is the emotional application of "imaginative" (more particularly the Fe version, actually). Again, imagination is absolutely not tied to the T/F axis. It's the manner of application of the imagination.
Is this a misunderstanding of words, then? Because I definitely agree that NT's are more 'inventive' than NF's, whereas NF's are more 'imaginative' than NT's.

I think NT's make better scientific inventors and are better at presenting logical ideas whereas NF's make better creative writers and are better at presenting emotional ideas. Do you agree with that?

[lemallard]

Let's keep this simple: John Lennon was an INTP, God rest his soul. If that isn't enough to settle the issue about a T being creative enough to be a musician, then nothing ever will.