View Full Version : Right to choose gone too far?
geonerd
04-17-2008, 02:29 PM
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Jakalwarrior
04-17-2008, 06:11 PM
I cant think of a reason why it is logically wrong. The instinctual side of my brain says its sick though.
She is only destroying her bodies attemps to reproduce. It happens naturally all the time. What she is doing ranks up there with necrophilia or self mutilation to me. Harms no one but friggen gross and a sign of needing serious help.
Im sure christians are going to take serious offense to this because of their views on the creation of a human life. It all depends on your perspective.
notoppings
04-17-2008, 06:28 PM
I understand that it is her right to choose but I too feel she is abusing the right that took so many such effort to ensure. Not having seen any of her work it does appear that to have to rely on such a display tells me she probably lacks any true skills as a artist, other then to incite discussion if that is her goal she will probably succeed. Art should have some merit not just shock value.
Claptonian
04-17-2008, 06:28 PM
If you take the human aspect out of the equation and imagine, for example, that instead of getting pregnant and forcing a miscarriage, this woman repeatedly built a computer and then destroyed it, it's still fucked up. So I don't think the problem with it is pro-life or pro-choice related. It's just an example of a very stupid person doing something very stupid.
I also hate the term "abusing their/her/his right(s)." If you agree that someone has the right to do something then it's not really any of your business how they use the right. Saying that someone is abusing their right implies that the right is situational, or that the right has clauses attached. This line of thought goes against the idea of a "right."
azelismia
04-17-2008, 06:41 PM
yup stupid person being stupid and disgusting. no more no less imho
Zilal
04-17-2008, 06:43 PM
It turns out that the student's announcement about her project was itself the performance art... she never did any of that stuff, happily. This thing has been all over the web like wildfire, though, it seems.
Rowan
04-18-2008, 02:17 AM
It turns out that the student's announcement about her project was itself the performance art... she never did any of that stuff, happily. This thing has been all over the web like wildfire, though, it seems.
That’s hilarious – I usually find performance art and shock art unimaginative, but this is amusing.
Clearly done for shock value.
I am surprised that she can use her abortions this way in that medical waste is usually controlled. You couldn't stuff your dead grandparents and use them as furniture. There may be some hygiene risk. Still painting with dead fetus would not be ideal since it would be kind of lumpy but maybe she wants that textured effect. Perhaps it could be used as a banner in the pro-life pro choice clashes. My own reaction was "urgh yuk"
Antares
04-18-2008, 03:58 AM
If you take the human aspect out of the equation and imagine, for example, that instead of getting pregnant and forcing a miscarriage, this woman repeatedly built a computer and then destroyed it, it's still fucked up. So I don't think the problem with it is pro-life or pro-choice related. It's just an example of a very stupid person doing something very stupid.
I also hate the term "abusing their/her/his right(s)." If you agree that someone has the right to do something then it's not really any of your business how they use the right. Saying that someone is abusing their right implies that the right is situational, or that the right has clauses attached. This line of thought goes against the idea of a "right."
Agreed; she has the rights, but she's quite crazy in my opinion. It would be like someone making something just to destroy it.
Phrixos
04-18-2008, 04:58 AM
Honestly under that circumstance; for the sole purpose of terminating a fetus for art should be punishable by death in circumstances agreed to be "equally humane".
Like forced suicide.
Regardless of its stage of development and whatever you call it, it is unnecessary and abuses the right for us to use those means to abort a pregnancy, in possibly the most sickening way.
Rowan
04-18-2008, 05:30 AM
terminating a fetus for art should be punishable by death
Even if you are opposed to abortion that is ridiculously extreme; capital punishment is a dangerous and barbaric sentence for severe crimes, when you start applying it to stuff like this you are endorsing an absurdly barbarous societal model.
blueback
04-18-2008, 07:40 AM
If it's true, she's just a weird person.
If it's not true, she's just a sadistic person. Posting fake stories like that is like poking a helpless animal with a stick. The world is full of stupid people who really can't tell the difference between satire and reality. Giving them something like that to react to is like jabbing them with a needle to make them jump. There was no emperical reason to do it because she didn't gather any data. Basically, she came up with a story guaranteed to deeply offend a certain group and then released it as if it was real. If she had actually wanted to make art she would have released it in an area that is only used for art, like made a movie/book out of the idea or do it in an art gallery. What she did would be like a hollywood special effects master making a human dummy, complete with bones and internal organs, and throwing it off a building onto a busy sidewalk so that everyone thought it was a real person. The only effect is to upset people.
Moriarty
04-18-2008, 10:36 AM
Posting fake stories like that is like poking a helpless animal with a stick. The world is full of stupid people who really can't tell the difference between satire and reality. Giving them something like that to react to is like jabbing them with a needle to make them jump.
Personally, I fail to see a problem here. In fact...I think it's hilarious. ;D
Remember the campaigns to ban dihydrogen monoxide and to end women's suffrage?
blueback
04-18-2008, 10:57 AM
Yeah, those were funny. Telling people that you are going to hang your expelled fetal blood from the ceiling and play videos of you having abortions isn't quite the same thing. I didn't have a problem with the guy who put a crucifix in a jar of urine because he put the thing in an art gallery, which makes it obviously art.
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