Adolf Hitler's type

[Geek007]

INFJ I would say.

[Uberfuhrer]

I'd wager INFP -- he was said to have been a dreamer growing up, suggesting INFx, and also very flaky, suggesting P. I think what the world saw of Hitler was an INFP under extreme stress -- acting out the negative ESTJ traits.

[Motor Jax]

he was INTJ, believe it or not

[Santana28]

i think i read somewhere he was an INFJ. i definitely think he was a J, and not a P due to his decision-making attitude and unwillingness to alter his plans. i would say he was an NF due to his reliance on his "hunches" and his personal feelings as far as those decisions were concerned.

[Jgib5328]

I've heard either INFP or ISFP. The P because he wasn't as organized as one would expect and he wasn't as good of a long range thinker as one would expect. He wasn't even close to an INTJ, he was way to emotional and would often think with his emotions rather than be rational, plus he had way too much charisma to be an INTJ, INTJs can be charismatic, but he was able to dip deep into his feeling and create feelings in the masses better than anyone. Also, don't forget that he was an artist, which is generally associated with FP.

[Santana28]

Also, don't forget that he was an artist, which is generally associated with FP.


1) there are many J artist types out there. myself being one of them.

keep in mind his approach to art - he wasn't accepted into art school because he was too mechanical. he then was attracted to architecture, which better suited his style. he may have thought of himself as an artist, but i think his J led him towards more appropriate endeavors (architecture and taking over the world ;)





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he wasn't as good of a long range thinker as one would expect.

actually, he was a master of contingency planning. i think the problem with his decision making was 1)drugs, 2) he had a close circle of people whose judgement he chose to trust 100% and then let them make decisions for him, and 3) he let his emotions dictate his intuition and thus the decisions he made

[Jgib5328]

1) there are many J artist types out there. myself being one of them.

keep in mind his approach to art - he wasn't accepted into art school because he was too mechanical. he then was attracted to architecture, which better suited his style. he may have thought of himself as an artist, but i think his J led him towards more appropriate endeavors (architecture and taking over the world ;)





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actually, he was a master of contingency planning. i think the problem with his decision making was 1)drugs, 2) he had a close circle of people whose judgement he chose to trust 100% and then let them make decisions for him, and 3) he let his emotions dictate his intuition and thus the decisions he made

That is true, I guess the majority of his mistakes can be attributed to his insanity. INFJ does sound good.

[Santana28]

That is true, I guess the majority of his mistakes can be attributed to his insanity. INFJ does sound good.

i've done a LOT of reading on him... my favorite subject, strangely enough. If you really want to get a glimpse into his mindset, try reading the unedited version of Mein Kampf. I have a pdf somewhere if you want it. PM me :)

[Motor Jax]

well, at this point i would say:

INxJ

hmmm

we're too cuddly for that kinda stuff anyways

:)

[Jgib5328]

i've done a LOT of reading on him... my favorite subject, strangely enough. If you really want to get a glimpse into his mindset, try reading the unedited version of Mein Kampf. I have a pdf somewhere if you want it. PM me :)

I've read the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" which gave me some good info on him and the Nazis. For some reason, I find Hitler and the Nazi's incredibly interesting and I enjoy reading about them.

[ElstonGunn]

I've read the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" which gave me some good info on him and the Nazis. For some reason, I find Hitler and the Nazi's incredibly interesting and I enjoy reading about them.

You mean, "I've read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, which gave me some good info on him and the Nazis. For some reason, I find Hitler and the Nazis [delete apostrophe] incredibly interesting, [insert comma for independent clause] and I enjoy reading about them."

Since we're on the subject of Nazis, I figured I'd go ahead and be one, myself-- a Nazi of the Grammar variety. :thumbsup:

[Jgib5328]

Grammar Nazi's aren't nearly as interesting as the real Nazi's.

[Uberfuhrer]

I'd say that the Nazi regime was definitely an INTJ culture if you're interested in typing systems. Although, in all fairness, German cultural stereotypes, in general, have historically leaned towards being innovative, yet stubborn -- the INTJ caricature. This could also explain why the posters all over MBTI forums with Nazi-related or at least Germanophiliac avatars and usernames tend to be INTJs (this does not mean that most INTJs have such avatars or usernames, though).

However, I think Hitler himself was an NF.

[Motor Jax]

actually, i am a second generation american, father born to German immigrants after WWII

maybe they were trying to escape the trials

anyways, bet you can't guess my last name

8 letters long and starts with "J"

(how fitting)

[Jgib5328]

actually, i am a second generation american, father born to German immigrants after WWII

maybe they were trying to escape the trials

anyways, bet you can't guess my last name

8 letters long and starts with "J"

(how fitting)

Is your last name supposed to be obvious to us?

[azelismia]

There was a show on the history channel about his drug use. they made a very good argument for evidence pointing to his having had syphillis. He was a drug addict adn insane. That trumps any possible personality type. From the extreme paranoia that he had all thru-out his life, I have to think he was always mad.

I cannot see him as an intj. He was absolutely ruled by his emotions and feelings over any kind of logic or practicality.

[Uberfuhrer]

There was a show on the history channel about his drug use. they made a very good argument for evidence pointing to his having had syphillis. He was a drug addict adn insane. That trumps any possible personality type. From the extreme paranoia that he had all thru-out his life, I have to think he was always mad.

I also believe he had only one testicle.

That would make any man insane, I think!

[Haphazard]

I'd say that the Nazi regime was definitely an INTJ culture if you're interested in typing systems. Although, in all fairness, German cultural stereotypes, in general, have historically leaned towards being innovative, yet stubborn -- the INTJ caricature. This could also explain why the posters all over MBTI forums with Nazi-related or at least Germanophiliac avatars and usernames tend to be INTJs (this does not mean that most INTJs have such avatars or usernames, though).

However, I think Hitler himself was an NF.

What makes the Nazi Regime INTJ rather than ENTJ?

I do agree that even though the Nazi Regime had NTJ tendencies, though, that Hitler himself had to be an NF type.

[Motor Jax]

actaully, my name is an oblivious name


but, i think hitler is a "T" though, since he had a knack for thinking things through

but here is a profile (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) of him

i had asked the question myself, and these are some of the responses

I did some googling and saw so many types attributed to him. Mostly ISTJ , ENFJ and INFP.

He was one hell of a stoner for sure. And he must've been intj, had his takeover of Europe planned since 1933.

I think he was introverted because public speaking is different than just chewing the fat with someone. You don't address people personally.

i've actually got the WWII documentary (done by BBC) and from what i could observe was his cool, collected way of dealing with people. and also his way of escaping to Eagle Nest to do much of his thinking

[Haphazard]

but, i think hitler is a "T" though, since he had a knack for thinking things through

Thinking things through isn't exactly a "T" trait, though.

Why did he do the things he did needs to be considered over this because a lot of types of people, if given the opportunity, would take over the government and create a fascist (Nazi, even) regime, especially if they believed that they could heal the deeply wounded pride of their country.

It may seem like INTJ or ENTJ is the way the Nazi regime operated, but that may not, and is likely not, representative of the Fuhrer himself.

[azelismia]

How does that equal T? Even if that description did fit Hitler are you saying that other types are uncapable of being cool and collected? Hitler was a delusional mad man. His thinking was not based on rational analysis or anything even approaching that. it was based on delusion and paranoia. He thought he was the messiah. He thought he was a god. Intj's aer often saddled with the stereotype of mad man conquering the world but that's a joke. it isn't the reality of the type. Being an intj does not equal insanity unless you're a esfp who doesn't understand the type. How many INTJ's do you know who are in favor of Genocide in torturous ways?

[Uberfuhrer]

The only major SJ I'm aware of in the higher-ups of the Nazi regime was Heinrich Himmler (a quintessential ISFJ). Josef Goebbels was likely an ENFJ.

Methinks that Albert Speer was an INTJ, though.

[azelismia]

Thinking things through isn't exactly a "T" trait, though.

Why did he do the things he did, because a lot of types of people, if given the opportunity, would take over the government and create a fascist (Nazi, even) regime, especially if they believed that they could heal the deeply wounded pride of their country.



how is thinking things thru not a T trait. Of course it is. what's debatable is if hitler thought things thru in a clear minded fashion. that isn't to say that F's are not capable of thinking things thru because they are. They just aren't ultimately influenced by the logical side. they will err on the side of kindness (either to themselves or others) Ironically, I've always thought f's to be the cruelest of types because their feeling guide is in place to shield them personally from bad feelings. Others will take a second place to their feelings. If someone has done something to wrong them, it makes THEM FEEL better to hurt the other person. T's are less likely to engage in that kind of behaviour for a variety of reasons.

[Uberfuhrer]

As rational functions, both T and F are potentially thinking-things-through functions.

Also, the INTJ has tertiary Fi, while the INFJ has tertiary Ti, which means that, if using their inner world functions, the INTJ could sometimes seem more emotionally driven, while the INFJ could seem more logical.

[Motor Jax]

well, i haven't exactly studied Hitler, but that was my impression of him

actually, now that i think about it, he was a deep believer in what the Nazi stood for

and having risen through the ranks in Nazi after WWI

over time, becoming fanatical

Heinrich Himmler is also another interesting personality to study

especially after finding out that Himmler and Hitler both could not agree on most things





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how is thinking things thru not a T trait. Of course it is. what's debatable is if hitler thought things thru in a clear minded fashion. that isn't to say that F's are not capable of thinking things thru because they are. They just aren't ultimately influenced by the logical side. they will err on the side of kindness (either to themselves or others) Ironically,I've always thought f's to be the cruelest of types because their feeling guide is in place to shield them personally from bad feelings. Others will take a second place to their feelings. If someone has done something to wrong them, it makes THEM FEEL better to hurt the other person. T's are less likely to engage in that kind of behaviour for a variety of reasons.

you're spot on here

whenever there is something that is precieved wrong (ie. Germany losing WWI after the papers were signed), there is a passion to set things right again

and especially after the world had fallen into a Depression

everyone was looking for a good, strong leader

and it is an example of how emotion can be a strength, even if the reasons were wrong

whenever an "F" type is angered or passioned against something, they have a tendency to forge, out of Feeling, that which can be dealt first

and even at the cost of lives

hmmm

i can see that

[azelismia]

As rational functions, both T and F are potentially thinking-things-through functions.

Also, the INTJ has tertiary Fi, while the INFJ has tertiary Ti, which means that, if using their inner world functions, the INTJ could sometimes seem more emotionally driven, while the INFJ could seem more logical.



Don't you ever get the impression that the Fe fi Fo fum thing has some serious basis in sophistry?

[Uberfuhrer]

What makes the Nazi Regime INTJ rather than ENTJ?

I do agree that even though the Nazi Regime had NTJ tendencies, though, that Hitler himself had to be an NF type.

Well, I think that from a Jungian perspective, the regime was more Ni-dominant than Te. So while the regime was certainly outgoing, I think it was more influenced by first consulting the internal vision of Ni rather than the external principles of Te.

[Haphazard]

As rational functions, both T and F are potentially thinking-things-through functions.

Also, the INTJ has tertiary Fi, while the INFJ has tertiary Ti, which means that, if using their inner world functions, the INTJ could sometimes seem more emotionally driven, while the INFJ could seem more logical.

Exactly. Both T and F are rational functions. T is impersonal, F is personal. Both can make good and poor choices, and both can come to the same conclusion, but they both think it through a different way.

That said, Hitler's plotting did seem emotionally driven because he felt that he and Germany had been wronged and needed to find a new place in the world.

Also, we'd have to take into account that the more stressed someone is, the more likely they are to show inferior functions in an unhealthy manner. It may be easier to go about this in a different manner, not to look at his strong points but to look at his personal weaknesses. For example, did he have any addictions?

[Uberfuhrer]

Don't you ever get the impression that the Fe fi Fo fum thing has some serious basis in sophistry?

Why did I see that coming?

[azelismia]

Why did I see that coming?

*nirg*

[Uberfuhrer]

Since we're talking about Hitler's paranoia, ENFPs tend to be fanatically paranoid when under stress -- I've observed this even with ENFPs online, no offense.

As for the Führer's Enneagram type, I'll wager 6w5 on that one.

[Haphazard]

Since we're talking about Hitler's paranoia, ENFPs tend to be fanatically paranoid when under stress -- I've observed this even with ENFPs online, no offense.

As for the Führer's Enneagram type, I'll wager 6w5 on that one.

ENFP... that would lead to inferior Si, wouldn't it?

INTJs, at least in my experience, tend to become extremely moody under stress and lose that general 'fire' of confidence. Also, they'll fall back, again, on sensate activities, like overeating, drinking, etc.

[Uberfuhrer]

ENFP... that would lead to inferior Si, wouldn't it?

Yes, although sometimes people will exhibit their primary function when angry, since it is their most basic way of functioning.





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INTJs, at least in my experience, tend to become extremely moody under stress and lose that general 'fire' of confidence. Also, they'll fall back, again, on sensate activities, like overeating, drinking, etc.

That's pretty much me, but when under stress, I also become anxious and imagine things that will go wrong if I leave my rut, so I'm basically using my Ni in an unproductive way and using the sensate activities in the hopes of getting myself back on track.

[EsoteriEccentri]

Eh.
He was certainly some sort of idealist.
I've heard it said that he was an INFP lots of times, but people on this forum seem to have different opinions.
He was very introverted, though that may have just been that he was extremely shy when he was younger and even when he was ruling. So was it introversion, or shyness? I've heard it argued that he was an extrovert because he was so good at giving speeches, though again, I think that's describing the difference between being shy and confident - not being introverted or extroverted.
He never liked parties and social gatherings.
Being a painter would fit with being an INFP.

Though I don't understand why they say he is an INFP not an INFJ. I'm sure there must be a reason though if I hadn't heard his INFPness expressed so much, I'd probably guess at INFJ. =/
But I've been told he wasn't actually a good leader in the sense of organising things which I suppose could mean he was a P.

ENFP would also fit very well.
I'll guess at INFJ or ENFP. ^^

[Jgib5328]

Eh.
He was certainly some sort of idealist.
I've heard it said that he was an INFP lots of times, but people on this forum seem to have different opinions.
He was very introverted, though that may have just been that he was extremely shy when he was younger and even when he was ruling. So was it introversion, or shyness? I've heard it argued that he was an extrovert because he was so good at giving speeches, though again, I think that's describing the difference between being shy and confident - not being introverted or extroverted.
He never liked parties and social gatherings.
Being a painter would fit with being an INFP.

Though I don't understand why they say he is an INFP not an INFJ. I'm sure there must be a reason though if I hadn't heard his INFPness expressed so much, I'd probably guess at INFJ. =/
But I've been told he wasn't actually a good leader in the sense of organising things which I suppose could mean he was a P.

ENFP would also fit very well.
I'll guess at INFJ or ENFP. ^^

Lol, ENFP wouldn't fit at all. ENFPs tend to be people people and are really outgoing and well liked. The only similarity that Hitler has with ENFPs is his charisma, but Hitler was blessed with an unnatural amount of charisma that was unique to him.

[EsoteriEccentri]

Yes, but there's no doubt that he was an unhealthy example of his type, and there were other things about him that are perhaps undefinable. A very unhealthy example. You expect unhealthy ENFPs to be really outgoing and well liked?
ENFPs can become terribly shy and reclusive when threatened.
I think ENFP would fit quite well. As I know a few, I can imagine (at least one of them) turning into a Hitler-esq character. xDDD Under the right life circumstances, of course...
Have you ever seen a stressed ENFP o.o ??
Besides, I've heard it said that the ENFP's greatest fear is that that the problems of life will overcome them. But then, I've also heard it said that the ENFP's greatest fear is being bored, lacking inspiration or something to be enthusiastic about. =/

[Uberfuhrer]

But then, I've also heard it said that the ENFP's greatest fear is being bored, lacking inspiration or something to be enthusiastic about. =/

That sounds much more like ESFP to me.

[Haphazard]

That sounds much more like ESFP to me.

Call it a hunch, but I don't think Hitler was an ESFP. Even an extremely repressed ESFP...

[azelismia]

Esfj? He was extremely concerned with appearances.

[Uberfuhrer]

Call it a hunch, but I don't think Hitler was an ESFP. Even an extremely repressed ESFP...

Oh, I don't think so either. EsoteriEccentri just said that was an ENFP thing, but fear of boredom tends to be an Se thing. I don't think that was Hitler's basic fear.

[lancelot]

There was a show on the history channel about his drug use. they made a very good argument for evidence pointing to his having had syphillis. He was a drug addict adn insane. That trumps any possible personality type. From the extreme paranoia that he had all thru-out his life, I have to think he was always mad.

I cannot see him as an intj. He was absolutely ruled by his emotions and feelings over any kind of logic or practicality.


Yes! you are right.

Hiltler was mentally ill, War and political causes often attract crazy people;
Cazy people need a way of expressing their violence.

[Haphazard]

Oh, I don't think so either. EsoteriEccentri just said that was an ENFP thing, but fear of boredom tends to be an Se thing. I don't think that was Hitler's basic fear.

What I meant is that with an extremely stressed and unhealthy person, shadows tend to come out. An ESFP's shadow is the INTJ... and ESFP forced into the form of an INTJ would not be happy at all.

Or something like that.

[azelismia]

What I meant is that with an extremely stressed and unhealthy person, shadows tend to come out. An ESFP's shadow is the INTJ... and ESFP forced into the form of an INTJ would not be happy at all.

Or something like that.



the whole shadow thing is so much BS imho

[meanlittlechimp]

Lol, ENFP wouldn't fit at all. ENFPs tend to be people people and are really outgoing and well liked. The only similarity that Hitler has with ENFPs is his charisma, but Hitler was blessed with an unnatural amount of charisma that was unique to him.

Hitler was outgoing and well liked. He threw lots of parties for his inner circle and hung out all the time. I forget which documentary but I watched all this footage of him throwing parties. He was extremely extrovert and was the life of the party, very outspoken and expressivve (physically and verbally) - not just when he's giving speeches.

He was known to be very derelict in his duties, disappearing to his villa and basically flaking out a lot of the time when his staff was trying to contact him to make decisions. Paranoia tends to be an ENFP coping mechanism when they are highly stressed which also supports my thesis.

He would also swing from energetic, gregarious and charming to irrational outbursts of temper. He was not the careful planner type, his subordinates were very aware of his lack of attention to detail and his inconsistency in thought or action.

From a book review on amazon, "Payne's account is particularly strong in following Hitler's Vienna period, when he ended up as a homeless vagabond. He eventually spent several years in a men's shelter where he earned a living painting postcards and spent time entertaining his companions with his occasional ranting outbursts."

The more I find out about him the more evidence I find, he's an ENFP.

[Jgib5328]

Hitler was outgoing and well liked. He threw lots of parties for his inner circle and hung out all the time. I forget which documentary but I watched all this footage of him throwing parties. He was extremely extrovert and was the life of the party, very outspoken and expressivve (physically and verbally) - not just when he's giving speeches.

He was known to be very derelict in his duties, disappearing to his villa and basically flaking out a lot of the time when his staff was trying to contact him to make decisions. Paranoia tends to be an ENFP coping mechanism when they are highly stressed which also supports my thesis.

He would also swing from energetic, gregarious and charming to irrational outbursts of temper. He was not the careful planner type, his subordinates were very aware of his lack of attention to detail and his inconsistency in thought or action.

From a book review on amazon, "Payne's account is particularly strong in following Hitler's Vienna period, when he ended up as a homeless vagabond. He eventually spent several years in a men's shelter where he earned a living painting postcards and spent time entertaining his companions with his occasional ranting outbursts."

The more I find out about him the more evidence I find, he's an ENFP.

Every account that I've read on Hitler says he is quiet and reserved. He acted outgoing and gregarious because he needed to, to win people over, it was an act. All of his flaking out could be attributed to being an INFP, not an ENFP, that's why I originally said that I thought he was an INFP or ISFP. Your last quotation doesn't mean anything. I used to be know for my outbursts, but I'm an INTJ.

[Geek007]

Hitler could not possibly be INTJ because of his sheer hate for humanity and himself.

[Santana28]

I think we need to drop the stereotypes when thinking about Hitler's personality type.

This "he was mentally ill, a psychopath, a vile evil monster who hated [fill in the blank]" approach will only lead you to type the person he is viewed as, and not who he genuinely was.

Just sayin'

[Mafiaangel180]

I really don't see how anyone could think he's an N.

IMO, he was definitely an ISXX.

ISTJ, maybe an ISTP.

But SJ would make sense, all the people I know who enforce crazy beliefs are SJs.

[Geek007]

German culture is certainly ISTJ in my opinion. Hitler himself seems INFJ, and this might also have caused the final "split" between him and "his" people: by the end of the war he wanted all Germans to commit national suicide.

[Geek007]

I guess countries get the leaders they deserve.

[EsoteriEccentri]

Wasn't he extremely disorganized though?
I'm still going with ENFP or INFP.

[athenian200]

I think he was an ENFJ, because he allowed his trust in his advisors and current passions to carry things out to overrule his own vision and judgment far too often. Also, I think he was more charismatic and externally oriented than an INFJ would be.

I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure he was an F. He had that trademark characteristic of ours... having his emotions as an extension of his will rather than existing independently of it. I recently had it out with a T because I was assuming they were choosing to feel something, when in reality a T's feelings have nothing to do with their will, and exist in spite of it. That kind of shocks me, as for me it's practicalities/logic that exist in spite of my will. I can actually see this being a difference between T/F types in general.

[Geek007]

Wasn't he extremely disorganized though?
I'm still going with ENFP or INFP.

His mother might well have been ENFP, and that might be the source of his passionate hatred of various things, such as Germans by the end of the war.

[Uberfuhrer]

His mother might well have been ENFP, and that might be the source of his passionate hatred of various things, such as Germans by the end of the war.

And his father was likely a virulent xSTJ -- often a bad mix for xNFPs, which is likely why Hitler was abused as a child.

But I doubt that Hitler was anything other than an NF. He definitely had an NF mindset in his own twisted way.

[Motor Jax]

and he was an "I" vice an "E" type

otherwise, he wouldn't have needed Eagle's Nest to recharge

[lei]

According many Jungian psychologists he's actually an ISTJ, but one that became possessed by his own unconscious shadow self-- ENTP that is, that's how he managed to be so manipulative.

[Jgib5328]

According many Jungian psychologists he's actually an ISTJ, but one that became possessed by his own unconscious shadow self-- ENTP that is, that's how he managed to be so manipulative.

Source?

[Marcus]

Here are my two cents:

There is a bunch of photos of him on Wikipedia:
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On all the photos he looks definetly like an introvert. He had extremly good people skills which points to an F. Also, his thougths/plans/strategies were always people/psychology based. His thinking was future oriented, which points to N.

Here is a quote from Mein Kampf (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) which also points to N:
"To study history means to search for and discover the forces that are the causes of those results which appear before our eyes as historical events. The art of reading and studying consists in remembering the essentials and forgetting what is not essential."

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we have:
1."INFJs place great importance on havings things orderly and systematic in their outer world. They put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities in their lives."
and:
2."When an INFP has adopted a project or job which they're interested in, it usually becomes a "cause" for them. Although they are not detail-oriented individuals, they will cover every possible detail with determination and vigor when working for their "cause"."

And from Mein Kampf we have the following, which matches better 2. (i.e. INFP):
"But more than that. During those years a view of life and a definite outlook on the world took shape in my mind. These became the granite basis of my conduct at that time. Since then I have extended that foundation only very little, and I have changed nothing in it. On the contrary: I am firmly convinced to-day that, generally speaking, it is in youth that men lay the essential groundwork of their creative thought, wherever that creative thought exists. I make a distinction between the wisdom of age--which can only arise from the greater profundity and foresight that are based on the experiences of a long life--and the creative genius of youth, which blossoms out in thought and ideas with inexhaustible fertility, without being able to put these into practice immediately, because of their very superabundance. These furnish the building materials and plans for the future; and it is from them that age takes the stones and builds the edifice, unless the so-called wisdom of the years may have smothered the creative genius of youth."

Further from personalitypage:
"Every encounter and every piece of knowledge gained gets sifted through the INFP's value system, and is evaluated to see if it has any potential to help the INFP define or refine their own path in life."
and from Mein Kampf:
"I studied just the subjects that appealed to me, especially those which I thought might be of advantage to me later on as a painter. What did not appear to have any importance from this point of view, or what did not otherwise appeal to me favourably, I completely sabotaged."

So my guess would be INFP, but I still have some doubts:
From personalitypage:
"Unlike other Extraverted types, ENFPs need time alone to center themselves"
And from Mein Kampf:
"I spent a good deal of time scampering about in the open, on the long road from school, and mixing up with some of the roughest of the boys, which caused my mother many anxious moments. All this tended to make me something quite the reverse of a stay-at-home."

Considering that an INFP has FiNe, and an ENFP has NeFi, their inner lives are probably similar. And ENFPs usually have an introverted look.

[Mafiaangel180]

According many Jungian psychologists he's actually an ISTJ, but one that became possessed by his own unconscious shadow self-- ENTP that is, that's how he managed to be so manipulative.


Lmao...hopefully you're right, so therefore I would be right too. Haha.

[lei]

Source?
I think I initially read it from a book called Lectures on Jung's Typology by Marie-Louise Von Franz. I also read it from various other sources which I cannot remember now. Typology actually goes far deeper than most people realise, it's very much connected with spirituality and the process of individuation (becoming whole). I highly recommend people look into it in depth.

[Geek007]

I think I initially read it from a book called Lectures on Jung's Typology by Marie-Louise Von Franz. I also read it from various other sources which I cannot remember now. Typology actually goes far deeper than most people realise, it's very much connected with spirituality and the process of individuation (becoming whole). I highly recommend people look into it in depth.

I echo the sentiments of the last part of your post.

[Realpra]

He could have been INTJ, someone said that an INTJ would not be able to have the amount of hatred needed to go through with the genocide.
This is not true, though introverted I believe even INTJs need love and all, perhaps not much but they can be corrupted if hurt really badly.
Even without mental corruption an INTJ would be able to go through with it if the person had logically arrived at the conclusion that it was necessary.

Besides all humans are capable of great evil the second they dont see their enemies as men, but as animals. This effect is documented, even the sweetest girl or guy in the world would be able to operate a gas champer when in this mindset.
Pretty easy to explain with evolutionbased theories.

The quote of him saying he dismissed all information not important to him also sounds like something I would do.

I dont think he had a lot of people skills, his wiki article claims that he practised giving speeches even before the 20s, something an INTJ could do to get really great at it, being puppetmasters and all that.

He is supposed to have been addicted to metaamphetamine, addictions being a trait of the INTJ I have heard, myself not badly affected.

His love-life seems to have been made up of very few women, yet women that greatly affected him, his niece at least (sexual or not), but perhaps the wiki article is incomplete. Again this could be a trait of the INTJ.

In some of the only private conversation recorded he was supposed to be pretty cool and accepting of arguements. Also INTJ trait.

Yet I have strong reasons to think he is not INTJ. He surrounded himself with idiots like goring and goebels, an INTJ wouldnt do that evil or not.
The nazistic system was also incredibly beaurocratic and only when Speer got control was this done away with, a much clearer candidate for being INTJ with mathemathics as main interest.

No matter how currupted, stressed or just logically-wrong-evil an INTJ might become I dont think they would approve of idiots or faulty systems.
Also INTJs in a stressed state dont tend to achieve anything as they completely loose their strengths and what little social intellect they may have.

[pinkroger]

ENFJ. They have done studies on this, and that's what they came up with. It makes sense because of his enormous charisma. It's also Obama's type, which explains his charisma.

[Marcus]

Meanwhile I also got convinced that he was an INFJ. His private life was too modest for an ENFJ, I think.

[Uytuun]

I know an ENFJ with a "modest" private life. The type descriptions can only take into account so much. Not saying he's ENFJ per se.

[Vicimdhar]

My take: ISFP. It explains many aspects about Hitler without resolving to many exceptions.

Hitler doesn't seem like an NT at all. He didn't plan ahead much, had zero interest in science, technology or knowledge in general, never seems to judge people on competence, etc. SJ seems unlikely due to his rejection of his father's SJ-career and pursuit of drawing and painting. His devotion/dedication to Germany and traditional values can be seen as SJ-ism, but seems more Fi-like. I can see why people think him as an NF: the strong focus on values and feelings. However, his pragmatic outlook, crafts-orientation, impact-seeking nature points to SP as well. ENFP's and ISFP's usually appear as 'in between' SP's and NF's. However, most evidence points to ISFP.

Some additional clues:

Youth
To accurately type someone like Hitler, it is best to look more at the younger years of his life. There we have this:
The young Hitler was a good student in elementary school. But in the sixth grade, his first year of high school (Realschule) in Linz he failed and had to repeat the grade. His teachers said that he had "no desire to work."... Hitler later said that his educational slump was a rebellion against his father, who wanted the boy to follow him in a career as a customs official; he wanted to become a painter instead.
'Passive resistance' is quite typical for Fi's. The rejection was of an SJ-career. Punishing others for taking away their freedom through self-damaging is typical for SP's. See e.g.:
If they cannot act on their intuition, they can become restless and possibly bored. They can easily respond to rules and regulations and take them in stride, but may passively fight against rules they find restricting or unjust. When stress becomes a constant pressure, they may resort to self-degrading behavior. They avoid logic and do not like to feel they are being lead by another person, just as they do not lead others. Stress can mean finding ways to avoid accountability, potentially placing blame on those who have put them in the stressful situation. This way, they can feel more liberated by freeing themselves from responsibilities they could not or did not want to handle. (Source: ISFP Under Stress (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.))
Dropping out of school, like Hitler did, also occurs most among ISFP's.
The purpose of my trip was to study the picture gallery in the Court Museum, but I had eyes for scarcely anything but the Museum itself. From morning until late at night, I ran from one object of interest to another, but it was always the buildings which held my primary interest."
Certainly displays a perceiving preference. The way he never actually planned his career points to that as well.
suddenly encountered a phenomenon in a long caftan and wearing black side-locks. My first thought was: Is this a Jew? They certainly did not have this appearance in Linz. I carefully watched the man stealthily and cautiously but the longer I gazed at the strange countenance and examined it feature by feature, the more the question shaped itself in my brain: Is this a German?
Sounds more like Se then Ne.
He was a runner, the most dangerous job on the Western Front, and was often exposed to enemy fire...However, because the regimental staff thought Hitler lacked leadership skills, he was never promoted to Unteroffizier...His duties at regimental headquarters, while often dangerous, gave Hitler time to pursue his artwork. He drew cartoons and instructional drawings for an army newspaper.
INFP's are generally not so into at physical stuff. Lack of perceived leadership-skills is also more typical for ISFP's. Again, more drawing.

Entertainer
Hitler's best skill was apparently his ability to perform.
Drexler was impressed with Hitler's oratory skills... Hitler was becoming highly effective at speaking in front of large crowds... To publicize the meeting, he sent out two truckloads of party supporters to drive around with swastikas, cause a commotion and throw out leaflets, their first use of this tactic. Hitler gained notoriety outside of the party for his rowdy, polemic speeches
SP's like to make an impact. This seems to be Se used for this purpose.
Hitler contributed slightly to the design of the car that later became the Volkswagen Beetle and charged Ferdinand Porsche with its design and construction.
Even during his dictatorship, involvement in drawing.
Over time Hitler perfected his delivery by rehearsing in front of mirrors and carefully choreographing his display of emotions. He was coached by a self-styled clairvoyant who focused on hand and arm gestures. Munitions minister and architect Albert Speer, who may have known Hitler as well as anyone, said that Hitler was above all else an actor.
Hitler primarily as an Entertainer also points to SFP.

Animals
There are reports of him disgusting his guests by giving them graphic accounts of the slaughter of animals in an effort to make them shun meat.[240] A fear of cancer (from which his mother died) is the most widely cited reason, though many authors also assert Hitler had a profound and deep love of animals.Hitler's relationship with his dog is well known as well. ISFP's are animal lovers pur sang. Personalitypage.com mentions this aspect only for ISFP's.

Ni
Tertiary Ni often leads ISFP's to dedicate themselves to some sort of alternate lifestyle.

Temperament intelligence
In general, Hitler's "intelligence" seems to be closest to the tactical intelligence of the SP's than the diplomatic, strategic or logistical intelligences of the NF's, NT's and SJ's. Very often about short-term gains and making an impact.

The type also seems to fit most arguments made in this thread.

[Realpra]

Wouldnt a man trying to force the entire world to his way definently be Judging?

I mean a percieving man would have been more like "I dont like jews, what do you think?"... Perhaps I havent studied the personality types as closely as you.

[Jgib5328]

vic, great analysis. Everyone seems to think he's an ENFJ because he was so charismatic. If you read an in depth biography, you see that isn't the case at all.

[Realpra]

Well I tried to point out that he had to practise being good with crowds so that means that he had to be a personality type that WASNT good with people from natures side.

[Vicimdhar]

Wouldnt a man trying to force the entire world to his way definently be Judging?

I mean a percieving man would have been more like "I dont like jews, what do you think?"... Perhaps I havent studied the personality types as closely as you.No, that's just stereotyping. You could say that he was judging (the verb), but not necessarily Judging (the J on the MBTI-dichotomy). The dominant process of IxFP's is actually a judging process. It's usually introverted, but is expressed when it is important for the person.

vic, great analysis. Everyone seems to think he's an ENFJ because he was so charismatic. If you read an in depth biography, you see that isn't the case at all.Thanks. Unfortunately, people often don't look further than the stereotypes. In this case, both about the person and the types. On that level, you won't find any useful answers.