Your view on Morality?

[sriv]

This topic is extremely broad. Everything is in your own opinion.

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?
4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

Feel free to make up your own questions and answer them.

[Jakalwarrior]

1. Treat everyone completely fairly and never harm them unless they are causing some sort of harm to you or someone else. You don't owe anyone anything and taking care of their own self is their problem, but don't ever negatively interfere. Giving your own time or resources is optional and no one ever owes you anything unless agreed upon before hand.
2. Putting their own needs ahead of somone elses or weighing their own needs higher than that of somone else.

3. no
4. I see a lot of people who place their own needs above everyone elses and always ignore the big picture or don't think about anything outside their little bubble (Think about how people vote). I really dislike this behavior. I also see people who go beyond that and think that the help of others is their right. Be your own person and be as fair as possible. Getting help is wonderful but no one owes you a thing so be gracious.

[cal]

This topic is extremely broad. Everything is in your own opinion.

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

1) Loyalty - As an INTJ put it, "We are viciously loyal"

2) Betrayal, especially unwarranted betrayal - As same INTJ put it, "We do not betray, and we do not accept betrayal from others"

I don't know if I can really say I've been a total saint myself when it comes to either one. If not, then I'd say I've come close. Whether that really makes me an acceptable or virtuous person, I don't know. If it is part of a 'given INTJ nature', can I really lay claim to it as something that makes me virtuous or acceptable? What about those who are possibly given a nature that runs contrary to always being loyal? Can you always be justified in condemning them if they're being loyal to their natures?

[Antares]

This topic is extremely broad. Everything is in your own opinion.

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?
4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

Feel free to make up your own questions and answer them.

1. Objectivity and integrity
2. Infringement of the rights of another (that includes right to live, so this answer is actually really broad as well).
3. No.
4. I wish to change the subjectivity and blatant emotionalism I encounter almost everyday. People need to see beyond their petty selves and be a part of mother nature, not just humanity. Sometimes, it is more right to put the human interests aside in favor of nature's interest. There're billions of species; we're just one of them who happened to have the right physical structure to rise above. Yes, that means, I'd rather donate to save the forests and restore the newly formed deserts than donating to, say, Darfur. It may sound strange, but I love nature more than I could ever love humanity (not saying I hate it). But even after all this, I think I'm quite powerless in the grand scheme of things. After all, to billions of people, I'm nothing. I'll participate, yes, but I'm not sure I'm the 'change'.

[merid]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Honesty and loyalty for core values. I also think people should try to be the best they can be, no one is owed anything from life and I think people should try and make the best of it.

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Cheating. It breaks both core values.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?

No because if I wanted to be more virtuous I would be, it wouldn't be a sacrifice because I wouldn't be sacrificing freedom.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

I only care for about six people, so to me the rest of the world does not matter and they can do what they like. Everyone is flawed, including me. So my judgements are my own and therefore what right have I to judge. I myself think I can judge but in the grand scheme of things we are all equal, some people are just smarter than others.

[Moriarty]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Honesty and objectivity, especially self-applied.

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Clinging to questionable or blatantly false ideas to avoid the perception of waffling or to motivate others with an emotional charge.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?

No. Independence is a virtue that I value.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world?

No, not yet. I'm still guilty at times of an emotionally motivated defense of my ideas. I'm working on that, though.

[sriv]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Honesty and Awareness/Perception

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

I agree with Antares. Infringing the basic human rights stated in Geneva convention.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?

Yes, I would. I find it very interesting that people would not sacrafice freedom to become more virtuous. Sacrafice freedom meaning to restrict yourself from sinning to become more virtuous. This probably means that the human race is not ready for this big step.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

I try as hard as I can to be the change I wish to see in the world. I try to be the ideal person although I know that I have no emotional intelligence and horrible interpersonal skills. I know some people that I think are close to the change I wish to see in the world, but I do not know them well enough to judge yet.

[azelismia]

1. Honesty/integrity
2. torture of any living creature.
3. no
4. yes

[Moriarty]

2. torture of any living creature.

Medical research? Maybe you specifically meant malevolent torture instead?

What about creatures that don't know they're alive (non-sentient)? I often use antibacterial soap to eradicate entire living creature colonies. Muhaha!

I like to mow my grass with a big lawnmower. I inevitably chop up several insects and other bugs in the process, sometimes entire insect communities. I'm fully aware that I am doing so while I'm doing it, yet I'm not at all disturbed by it. Does that make me malevolent?
Hrmm, questions questions...

Oh, and I like to put big sunglasses on my dog and photograph her against her will.

[azelismia]

Medical research? Maybe you specifically meant malevolent torture instead?

What about creatures that don't know they're alive (non-sentient)? I often use antibacterial soap to eradicate entire living creature colonies. Muhaha!

I like to mow my grass with a big lawnmower. I inevitably chop up several insects and other bugs in the process, sometimes entire insect communities. I'm fully aware that I am doing so while I'm doing it, yet I'm not at all disturbed by it. Does that make me malevolent?
Hrmm, questions questions...

Oh, and I like to put big sunglasses on my dog and photograph her against her will.

I am against medical experimentation on living creatures. Strongly.

[cal]

Feel free to make up your own questions and answer them.

A different perspective on morality, from an essay described at To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"I am talking, you want to say, about a 'morality' so primitive that it scarcely deserves the name, a code that has as its point only survival, not the attainment of the ideal good. Exactly."

As this INTJ writer put it in his article at To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. about what he understands regarding the above essay: "morality is not individual. Morality is shared. Morality, at its core, consists of the promises we make to each other. Alone we can be self-righteous. Together we must be moral. Didion then goes on to pick apart how the definition of morality has been politicized and misunderstood and ruined over the centuries. .............".

Is what's described in the essay an acceptable enough answer to sriv's question #1 - "Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have" - or does it come up short.

[ShaiGar]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

3) Would you sacrifice freedom to be more virtuous?
4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?1) Objectivity, Empathy and Awareness.

2) Hypocrisy and Allowing others to use your power because you "don't feel like thinking".

3) I would sacrifice the freedom to rape, and to crush the skulls of newborn infants in order to have the virtue of discipline.

4) One of my role models is a man whodoesn't care what the world thinks of him and he strives very hard to protect the planet. He has the failing of megalomania, but I like him for the very reasons Antares mentions. The world is more important than some starving people. Antares, perhaps you can be my Ubu. Off topic.

I would like to decrease the population of humans by a very radical amount of SJs and SPs. I want to help the world heal so that we can help to bring back species from the critically endangered, endangered and vunerable species lists. Mankind should return to the oceans in city sized submarines (Idea courtesy of Jules Verne, and INTPCentral Member Mocca's (enfp) INFJ Brother, and Myself.)

The Oceans are larger, provide more food, and we could live at many different heights. The constant eddies could be used for power.



I like to put big sunglasses on my dog and photograph her against her will.
Yes. You deserve the Death Penalty for that.

[ethsar46]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
Loyalty would be at the top of my list

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.
Disloyalty/Betrayel

3) Would you sacrifice freedom to be more virtuous?
No

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?
No and No

[Rowan]

I’m not a moral realist, but from a personal standpoint:


Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have. In my opinion understanding, civility, flexibility, pride and rationality are all things people would do well to value.
Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit. Reductionism, unwarranted coercion and cruelty.
Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous? If such a thing as virtuousness exists freedom (in the free-will existential sense) would be a necessary condition to posses it.
Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies? Ah, someone has been studying Gandhi. I behave in accordance with my own values, which I would like others to adopt - I hope that answers the question.

[Hdier]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Honesty, strong sense of justice, willingness to dispense justice.

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Committing/not preventing evil acts.

3) Would you sacrifice freedom to be more virtuous?

In my opinion, you can not be virtuous without the opportunity to be unvirtuous.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

Yes. I think my set of morals is the best, but who doesn't believe they have the best morals?

[sriv]

Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies? Ah, someone has been studying Gandhi

I am an Indian. Lol, it is my duty to study Gandhi and I love him.

In my opinion, you can not be virtuous without the opportunity to be unvirtuous.
Yes. I think my set of morals is the best, but who doesn't believe they have the best morals?

I partially agree with your first statement. In Gandhi's autobiography, he drank once, smoke once, and stole once. He never did it again because he felt so guilty and ashamed. I do think that one can fit the qualities of a virtuous man (not counting childhood) by learning not to do the sins others make, but it would not exactly be the same kind of powerful virtue that Gandhi had.

Actually, some people have answered No to that question. This thread is very interesting. I am getting results I would not expect.

[Advocate]

I'm new to all this (both this Forum [wow so many INTJs in one place? it should be a crime] and new to forum posting in general), so bear with me.

1) A Conscience and the curiosity to question their conscience.
2) To go against their conscience and/or not to question everything about it.


3) My freedom for virtues? No, freedom is who I am, what virtue in life is there, if I had no freedom to savor it.

4) Am I the change I want to see? Damn straight I am! No one does my idea of change quite like me....next question?

[Moriarty]

I am against medical experimentation on living creatures. Strongly.


It's safe to assume you're equally against employing medical techniques/ procedures or pharmaceutical technology that wasn't tested solely on humans? Well, no, you said living creatures, so that includes humans.

Didn't you recently have an accident or injury? I hope you let someone actually treat you.

[Brutananadilewski]

This topic is extremely broad. Everything is in your own opinion.

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?
4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

Feel free to make up your own questions and answer them.

1) A respect and acceptance for divergent points of view and the humility to accept that your views may not necessarily be right. Also, never intentionally or maliciously harming another living being, whether emotionally or physically.

2) Violation of the above. Forcing yourself in any way upon another is absolutely abhorrent.

3) No. Virtuosity should be a personal prerogative, not one that's governed by an external influence.

4) No I'm not. I'm too apathetic and despondent with the sad reality that nothing ever really changes (superficially things do, but deep down, it's all still there, ignored and brooding, waiting for it's chance to be unleashed again in a repetitive cycle. We just call things different names, but it's really the same thing).

[malefide]

1) Honesty and justness.
2) The intention to do harm--cruelty.
3) No.
4) I am sometimes. I try to improve anything in anyway I can for the better good of society. I know people who do a lot more than I can or do, of course.

[JasonOrlandoHaw]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Warning, Christian world-view imminent.

Faith, Hope, and Charitable Love

"In these three abide, but the greatest of these is love."

Faith is described as "the evidence of things unseen," which leads me to believe that faith is actions that testify to the belief in God. According to the words of Christ, I will be judged on the last days by the following standards: did I feed the hungry? did I give drink to the thirsty? did I visit the lonely? (etc...). Faith then, is action directed by submission to the will of God.

Notably, I hold to the idea that "faith" regardless of public or private behavior. One fact that appeals to me about Christian theology is that morality should be the same, even in private behavior.

(Curse you Daily Show w/ Jon Stewart... how am I supposed to focus when you mock our society?)

Hope is a sincere belief in the fact that God is good, and that He is in control of the world. Overall, Hope is a peace and confidence that endures through hard times. Similar to Stoicism, but based on confidence in Christ.

Love, particularly charitable love, is the highest Christian virtue. My life should be used to improve the condition of the life of those around me. (Again, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, etc...). It requires me to me aware of the condition of those around me, and sensitive to their needs. (Talk about annoying to an INTJ...)

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

...the unforgivable sin is "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," or attributing the work of God directly to the work of Satan...

Somehow, I don't think that's much of an issue here. (You do, technically, have to believe in God and Satan before you can commit that particular sin.)

In general, I hold two categories of sin:

1) Lack of Empathy for the condition of Fellow Man:

In keeping with Faith and Charitable Love, a failure to improve (at least on a small scale) the condition of others is a moral failure.

2) Inconsistent Standards of Behavior and Belief:

Or: Practice what you Preach. Morality, for me, is not subject to public or private behavior, or variable based on circumstance. Hypocrisy is a major problem within the church, and I have little patience for it.

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

3) Would you sacrifice freedom to be more virtuous?

To behave in a virtuous manner implies a sacrifice. It goes with the territory.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

I'm working on it, but admittedly I still have a lot to do. I do have few people that I consider to be examples. In particular, there are two individuals who serve in local ministries, who hold to a very high standard of private practice. Both of them are close friends, very reliable, and constant sources of advice for me in my (relatively) young ministry.

[Metafire]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Very important or useful: Empathy, critical thinking, expansion of the personal identification sphere ("egosphere") to all sentient beings
quite important and useful: self control, a broad perspective
would be nice too: honesty, the ability to forgive the sins of others, intellectual integrity


2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Causing unnecessary suffering (for example by eating meat and dairy products, stealing, injuring someone), never questioning your own beliefs and opinions, only working for the well being of yourself or your own group and not for the wealth of all sentient beings.


3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?

Yes.


4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

Well, yeah. I am not 100% perfect, but probably above 99% ... whatever that means ;)

My own system of ethics is the most rational I know. But most people are either not clever enough to understand it or are too egoistic to accept it.

[IgnoranceIsKind]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Honesty (It seems that this value is agreeable by most, which suggests that sociey lacks it. I believe this is true.)

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Plagiarism; and once accused, continues to insist that it is their work. I find this highly offending.

To impose upon others their own beliefs. It is my conviction that everyone should have the autonomy to choose their own lifestyles.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?

Never. My freedom is of utmost importance; possibly the highest prized gift that I own.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

I do, in fact, believe that my system of regulations and mechanics are fair, though radical. Theoratically it would prove most effective, but it would require honesty on the part of society. It is this very value that the world lacks. (Sorry for not going into elaborations of my little plan, it is too tedious)

[Beery Swine]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Don't care. I like what I like and dislike what I dislike,

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

The murder of an innocent (of murder) person. I realize there is a potential infinite logical regress where every other peron in the murder line would be innocent and the others would be guilty, but that's not really applicable to every day life. Also violating someone's freedom, with the understanding that your freedom ends where mine begins and vice versa.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous? [sic]

Define "virtue," although it probably won't make a difference, so no.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?
Well if everone thought like me we'd all be playing video games and learning about science and having sex with whoever damn well had reciprical consent and funding at the federal level just about every field of science. So, I guess, yeah?

Most of these questions are a bit odd for me anyways cuz I'm an Atheist, but it was fun typing.

[SOMjunkie]

This topic is extremely broad. Everything is in your own opinion.

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?
4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

Feel free to make up your own questions and answer them.


1) Honesty (most importantly to oneself), Acceptance of others, Commitment to one's ideals

2) If I could quote the Wiccans - "There is no greater sin than evangelism" To have ego to believe that your ideals are the only ones that are true, and to force that belief on others prohibits the growth of the individual both personally and spiritually.

3) One cannot truly be virtuous if one is not free. Freedom of choice and the ability to fail is what makes our values worthwhile.

4) I won't pretend to have all the answers, but at least I'm wise enough to realize that, and that, in humble opinion, is what the world truly needs.

[ArchonAlarion]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Their own happiness.

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

To aggress against others (rape, theft, murder, slavery)

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?

Virtue is based on freedom. If you are forced to do something than there is no virtue in it.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

I think I'm part of the change. When humanity is freed from mass irrationality we will finally be able to hunker down and continue civilization.

[foroneonly]

This topic is extremely broad. Everything is in your own opinion.

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Numbers 1 and 2 should explain what you consider to be the virtuous or acceptable person.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?
4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

Feel free to make up your own questions and answer them.


1. I think having a proper balance of making decisions based on your own self interest and thinking of others.

2. Probably doing something to an individual just based on malice. Like actually enjoying seeing othe rpeople suffer.

3. In some instances yes. I have a moral line that I will not cross even if it means adverse consequences.

4. I don't understand the question.

[zhangxy]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Confidence and humility.

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

Perhaps murder.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?

If you believe in God, you'll have both.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

No, I'm not that important (or I don't understand the question).

[sriv]

4. I don't understand the question.

No, I'm not that important (or I don't understand the question).

(Rephrased, but can never match Gandhi's awesomeness) Do you have qualities or traits that you wish to see in the world?

[Monte314]

I'd have to say that JasonOrlandoHaw pretty much summed it up.

[sriv]

I'd have to say that JasonOrlandoHaw pretty much summed it up.

For you (as I am sure you meant to say). Morality is inherently subjective.

[murkrow]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.

Self-Awareness and Accountability

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.

To purposely mislead at the expense of another's freedom and for personal benefit.

3) Would you sacrifice freedom to be more virtuous?

No.

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

The world won't change, only technology and understandings. I'd love to see abortion made illegal but I can't really see it happening without committing what I consider the greatest sin.

[zoophilia]

I believe that moralities are the rules that individuals learn for how to behave with one another. The sum of all of these interactions can describe "prevailing morality." For example, a rape victim will have different expectations of how a person is treated etc than a person that never experiences that. This gives them a different "ethic." These ethics are not necessarily good or bad. However, these ethics do have practical implications. For example, when a corporate ceo disenfranchises his workers he promotes a different "work ethic" which can have devastating consequences for his company/the economy. I think this is why corporations are trying to evolve mutually beneficent behaviors but so far it seems that the "ethic" of capitalism promotes (ie creates) opportunistic behaviors that have an overall detrimental effect on the whole and the individual (at least certain ones). I think this is the closest I have come to reconciling ethics with a deterministic world view.

1. flexibility
b. i don't believe the concept of sin is useful
3. no
d. maybe. maybe not. i think my morality might damage some people beyond repair. hopefully some will be able to incorporate it into themselves in ways that are not self-detrimental.

[Elfrun]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.
3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?
4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?

1. Honesty and openness

2. Ignorance about self and others and having a closed mind

3. No. Freedom is something I value highly

4. I’m not here to change the world, my obligation is to become the best person I can both internally and in a greater society.

The rule I have is treat everyone as though they are worthy (and avoid them if they are ignorant) you never know who can teach you. I think this forum is a great example of that, there are people half my age here who have opened my mind to new ideas, too often people are dismissed because of superficial reasons.

[niffer]

1) Explain what you think are the most important values a person should have.
Good intentions for others. Nothing else really matters to me.

2) Explain what you think are the greatest sins a person can commit.
Sins? Hmm. Perhaps betraying someone that had only ever been good to them...and doing it in a way that would not even benefit themselves.

3) Would you sacrafice freedom to be more virtuous?
What the?...No...I don't think you'd need to...

4) Are you the change you wish to see in the world? Do you know anyone who applies?
No, not really. And it'd be nice to see some more sensible people out there, but I don't have much of an outline in mind.

[Monte314]

For you (as I am sure you meant to say). Morality is inherently subjective.
"inherently subjective" for you (as I'm sure you meant to say).

[sriv]

Morality is the learning process of distinguishing between virtues and vices.
-wikipedia

A virtue is a trait valued as being good. The conceptual opposite of virtue is vice.
-wikipedia

Good is subjective.

Subjectivity refers to a subject's perspective, particularly feelings, beliefs, and desires.
-wikipedia

Only the narrow-minded think it isn't.

[Aronnax]

Good is subjective.

Only the narrow-minded think it isn't.

Apparently open minded people have such vague definitions that it's impossible to communicate.

There are some absolutes out there, if there aren't any absolutes then communication is an exercise in futility.

[sriv]

Apparently open minded people have such vague definitions that it's impossible to communicate.

There are some absolutes out there, if there aren't any absolutes then communication is an exercise in futility.

:laugh: I think it is meant to be vague.

If morality was subjective, then we wouldn't have a huge problem battling over what is and what isn't good.

Morality is what we say when we think of how things ought to be. Someone else may think differently and it would still be under even specific definitions of morality.

I disagree that morality is an absolute.

Damn this is a topic unto itself.

[Aronnax]

:laugh: I think it is meant to be vague.

If morality was subjective, then we wouldn't have a huge problem battling over what is and what isn't good.

Morality is what we say when we think of how things ought to be. Someone else may think differently and it would still be under even specific definitions of morality.

I disagree that morality is an absolute.

Damn this is a topic unto itself.

There are plenty of ambiguous points that are open to debate but there is a moral "core" without which a society ceases to exist. An example of a fundamental moral value would be it's wrong to murder other members of your society and take their stuff.

If you don't agree this is an absolute moral value step into this dark alley with me and I'll explain it to you ;)





Aronnax added to this post, 14 minutes and 41 seconds later...

And to stay on topic:

1) The most important value an individual can have is respect for other humans.

2) The greatest sin a person can commit is to deny another their life or liberty.

3) In my opinion it's impossible to sacrifice freedom for more virtue. Virtue is a choice, to be forced into a "virtuous" behavior destroys it's value and meaning.

4) I'm not an instrument of moral change.