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biased
10-15-2007, 03:54 PM
How do you react to situuations in which you come to conflict and it gets to the point of physical? How do you generally go after revenge?
Also for the INTJ girls, how do you react?
qwerty
10-15-2007, 06:21 PM
If it gets to physical level at me it's generally because I will escalate it to move a person on. Generally I go ok at it (never been knocked out :)) however I do have quiet a few scars on my head because of it (roughly 4 on the forehead) and a dead tooth. Now before I come off the wrong way - I do not escalate a confrontation because I can, I do it because I have tried everything else within my power (in fact I will always use the escalation phrase to ensure I've tried everything "is there anything I can say or do to get you to move on by yourself?").
Revenge I don't care about - if a person splits me open then generally they're bleeding too. The only time I would take revenge would be on a group of guys (single them out one by one) if they tried to jump me all at once when I wasn't ready.
Now once again I think I'm coming off badly. I was involved in allot of physical altercations because of my work, which I have pulled back from. In my day to day real life I don't get into physicals or even verbals. I have size and don't care much for drinking on the weekend and I needed cash, so that's why I did the work.
Jezebel
10-15-2007, 06:39 PM
I've never been in a conflict that has reached the point of getting physical. I actually couldn't realistically imagine myself getting into a phsyical fight with someone either. If I ever do, they would have to do something really horrible to me. Even then, I'd probably look for a better way for 'revenge'. Or they'd have to be psychotic and start the fight when I have no escape route.
How do I deal with revenge? I don't know, that situation never comes up for me much either. At least I can't think of any examples off the top of my head.
Fighting and revenge are silly, emotional things. *:P (at least when it's over trivial things I see most people partaking in these activities over)
How do you suppose there will be differences between how men and women answer this? *:-?
thegnat
10-15-2007, 07:07 PM
Actually - nothing really gets physical on me, though I'm confident I could defend myself decently well, scream, or hurt someone enough to escape if I had to. I'm fit enough....
As for revenge - I'll only deal with it if it's a tennis match and I'll kick their ass next tennis match....
otherwise even though I might want to - I'll just plot revenge in my head and never take action....But the plot in the head would suffice..
Max T
10-15-2007, 07:20 PM
As a kid I pretended to throw a punch at another kid... but I accidentally split his lip and was so shocked by all the blood and hurting him that I've never been physical since.
Besides, I wear glasses and would be quite useless in a fight if they were knocked off!
Never taken out revenge. Besides, I think that such an act can manifest itself: i.e. having committed revenge, you're more likely to get involved in similar tit-for-tat situations again later in life.
If you surround yourself with non-vengeful people, and are respectful to everyone else, revenge becomes quite meaningless, surely?
If it gets to physical level at me it's generally because I will escalate it to move a person on. Generally I go ok at it (never been knocked out :)) however I do have quiet a few scars on my head because of it (roughly 4 on the forehead) and a dead tooth. Now before I come off the wrong way - I do not escalate a confrontation because I can, I do it because I have tried everything else within my power (in fact I will always use the escalation phrase to ensure I've tried everything "is there anything I can say or do to get you to move on by yourself?").
Revenge I don't care about - if a person splits me open then generally they're bleeding too. The only time I would take revenge would be on a group of guys (single them out one by one) if they tried to jump me all at once when I wasn't ready.
Now once again I think I'm coming off badly. I was involved in allot of physical altercations because of my work, which I have pulled back from. In my day to day real life I don't get into physicals or even verbals. I have size and don't care much for drinking on the weekend and I needed cash, so that's why I did the work.
Were you a bouncer?
I try not to deal with ppls BS, tomorrow is a new day!
I actually have been in physical fights before.
Funny how I was just asking this question the other day... Would you attack someone who's trying to steal your purse/wallet?
I mean logically, I wouldn't; but I have a feeling when it comes down to it, I'm going to react on impulse and just beat the shit out of him.
OneBadMother
10-15-2007, 08:05 PM
I've never gotten into a serious physical fight, though that might have something to do with my gender. The worst I can think of is when I kept getting kicked by a friend in the shin because I kept saying something just to piss him off. :P It did kind of hurt, but I shrugged it off. Eventually he stopped anyways.
Once one of my friends kept making lame sexual inneundo about my other friend and me, and I kept mock-punching him. Finally he said, "Go ahead, punch me," but my punch apparently didn't even hurt at all. Then again, I haven't worked out in a while.
I don't know how I would go about physical revenge, but I'm generally against revenge except the less ill-intentioned kind. For instance, if someone makes a crack at me chances are I'll make a crack right back. I do think about situations in the past and what I'd say to people now, but doing it in my head suffices.
AntimonyLegault
10-15-2007, 08:49 PM
I avoid fighting; even with words generally...pointless and it results in fewer possiblities. Physical fighting is striclty a matter I leave in the hands of whoevers around, as I'm always on the defensive in these situations; if not then I'd just run or try and talk my way out of it. Although this is true, I'm kind of prone to having a sharp tongue when provoked enough. An aquaintance of mine was teasing me about my sexuality (I'm not gay, but as is the apparent norm I tend to look gay because I fail to show any emotion or interest in the opposite sex) then I said some things I probably shouldn't have, boom! estrangement.
Firelie
10-15-2007, 09:18 PM
I actually have been in physical fights before.
Funny how I was just asking this question the other day... Would you attack someone who's trying to steal your purse/wallet?
I mean logically, I wouldn't; but I have a feeling when it comes down to it, I'm going to react on impulse and just beat the shit out of him.
Hell yeah I'd attack someone trying to steal my backpack! I'd lay the WHAM POW BAM on their ass! Batman style! [smiley=veryangry.gif] I'm very possessive of the silly thing...It's 10 years old and I still use it heavily (Jansport just doesn't make them like they used to anymore).
I don't think anyone would try to steal it, though. It kinda looks like something a homeless person might carry around, except a lot cleaner. :D
I've never had anything escalate into physical fighting -- not even with my little brother while we were growing up. There hasn't ever really been a reason to fight, since I never give anyone any problems and I tend to calm people down rather than agitate them. *shrug* I've never really bothered with revenge, either, cuz no one's ever done anything bad to me...not to mention I don't see much point to it since it won't change the event that spawned the retaliation in the first place. It's like...okay, so now that you've gotten your revenge, what did you really get out of it? Are you TRULY satisfied? No? Okay don't waste your energy next time, then.
Vayate
10-15-2007, 10:22 PM
I've been in numerous physical fights and have done very well. I can shrug off punches from people twice my size; I usually let them hit me once, laugh and tell them they're wasting their time. Demoralizes the bad guys pretty quick, though I'll take them on if it doesn't work.
Revenge for physical stuff isn't important me. That said, if someone insults me or otherwise gets in my way, I will return the favor. This one time I got caught with some contraband in my dorm room, and the area coordinator told me he'd looked at -my- schedule and told -me- when my ideal time to come see him was. Bad idea. I spent a week stringing him along trying to "fit him into my schedule."
I avoid fighting; even with words generally...pointless and it results in fewer possiblities. Physical fighting is striclty a matter I leave in the hands of whoevers around, as I'm always on the defensive in these situations; if not then I'd just run or try and talk my way out of it.
Well the only time I did was when I was in grade school. *I remember it well cause I didn't even start it. *This guy was being very annoying.. you know how grade school boys are lol. *He wouldn't stop and my teacher was turning a blind eye, so I punched him in the stomach... and got in trouble... *:thinking:
Generally I avoid conflict. *If I don't like it I just don't say anything and ignore it if it's bad enough.
I've figured there's no point in fighting. *Some people are just immature or stubborn and narrow minded.
Revenge? *They'll forever be on my black list... that is revenge enough. *It is very unfortunate for someone to lose me as an ally. * ;D
An aquaintance of mine was teasing me about my sexuality (I'm not gay, but as is the apparent norm I tend to look gay because I fail to show any emotion or interest in the opposite sex) then I said some things I probably shouldn't have, boom! estrangement.
Gay guys fail to show emotion? Goodness, where do people get these ideas?
I think people who can't take a little talking back from me don't deserve to be my friends :thumbsup:
qwerty
10-16-2007, 01:24 AM
Were you a bouncer?
Yeah for the past 4 years I have worked in the security industry. Last year I moved up to control (the dude that sits in the air conditioned camera room and tells people what to do).
It's an interesting job because very few people can hack it out in the same place for years - I think at the place I'm working now I've been through 5 complete crews and roughly 50 odd security guards (myself in the mean time have also moved around different venues and run my own club, but keep on coming back :) - longest time out is roughly 5 months). It's weird now because most of the guys on the floor don't realize that I've done their job and the advice I give them comes from experience (They see control as the guys who watch TV and that's all - It's a hard job to get though because it is easier to do and the rotation of operators is more stagnant).
rwyatt365
10-16-2007, 07:56 AM
I try my best to stay out of physical confrontations, but I am not afraid of, nor unaccustomed to them. Typically I will try to talk my way out of such a scenario. But if someone persists then I go for the "kill" (not actually, but I try to inflict as much damage as I can by any means necessary – make it short and sweet). My goal, in that circumstance, is to make sure that the other person knows that I am crazy and that they will receive maximum punishment if they attempt confronting me in that manner again. I call it the "Doctrine of preventative mayhem".
I don't deal in revenge. If someone does me harm then I stay away from them if I can. If I can't then I watch them closely to make sure that they don’t do me harm again. But I don’t try to inflict harm on them.
iamnotspock
10-17-2007, 02:55 AM
I've confronted guys on the street twice. Once was trying to attack another guy. Another was beating up his girlfriend. Both times they backed off b/c I came at them fast and loud. But there was no physical confrontation. If there were, I'd probably be dead. It was just the power of the surprise attack.
As for revenge, that is a pure waste of time. The best revenge is living well.
I forgot to add, it is incredibly foolish to stay in an argument to the point that it gets physical. You should have left long before that point. You could get killed by evan a child with a knife or gun.
But if given no choice, and you are fighting for your life, strike first, and go for the kill. Hit the weakest point with the maximum force and lethality. For example, I carry a locking pocket knife. If a "bad guy" attacked me, I would try to stick him in the belly or the neck. Better judged by 12 than carried by six.
r21left
10-17-2007, 03:07 AM
I went off on customer service for the past two days. By "went off" I mean spoke clearly, coherently, logically, quickly, and intensely. I'm sure customer service would consider it "abusive." I consider it "poetic justice." ;)
Mendacity
10-18-2007, 02:44 AM
Revenge? They'll forever be on my black list... that is revenge enough. It is very unfortunate for someone to lose me as an ally. ;D
Exactly! If someone angers me enough I just cut them out of my life. For some reason I find it really hard to be in the same room as that person at things like social events and so that can sometimes be a pain in the ass for my friends. I try to tell people why I don't like the person in question, but they are free to make their own choices about who to associate with and I certainly wouldn't make someone pick sides.
Often I've found that the people I blacklist are kind of crappy people anyway and bad things happen to them as a result of their own behavior. This is revenge enough for me. The knowledge that I get to be me and they have to be them. :P
I am not opposed to confrontation. I don't seek it out, but often I just get angrier until I have it out with whoever has pissed me off to that point. I've learned over the years that I need to be calm and in control of myself when I do that because there were times in my teens when I lost my temper and reacted to something with physical violence and that's just not productive.
StJimmy
10-18-2007, 07:05 AM
whoever said it is crazy to escalate an argument to the point of physical confrontation is right; these days i can generally deflect most anything that would come up in social situations.
failing that... i was a rough and tumble football player in high school. still fairly formidable, around 200 lbs, not too flabby. i have a propensity to open with a nice headbutt. usually ends things quickly. and like rwyatt pointed out, once things go over the line it's not a game anymore, but time for deadly serious action with intent to harm. i have been cornered quite a number of times in various situations as an adult and gave better than i took on most occasions.
somebody trying to take my wallet or something better be a black belt, or have a weapon and a good opening gambit, or a buddy or three. otherwise i'll make him wish a cop would show up. at 17 i chased a would-be mugger who pulled his knife out a little too soon across a gas station parking lot and out onto the highway with a machete i grabbed out of the back of my truck. he was so freaked out he almost got ran over by a semi. i've also been on the receiving end of armed robbery twice, one successful, one not so successful. both times while working the graveyard shift at a gas station back in college. the first time it was a little tense but after i offered to carry a few cases of beer out to his car the way was considerably smoothed. the second time i saw it coming (different guy, same desperate look, hands in jacket pockets) and i pulled the .38 out from under the counter and told him i would kill him unless he left. i think he believed me. or maybe he didn't even have a gun. either way he left. at the end of the shift, so did i... permanently.
i do admit i feel safer with weapons at hand; these days i have a small utility knife (that i can open with one hand) on me at all times, a pistol in the vehicle i'm driving, and a small arsenal in my home. and yes i would knowingly kill to preserve my own life or the life of a loved one, or even the life of a stranger, if the situation called for it.
as far as "revenge" goes, often times it's a dish best not served at all.
rwyatt365
10-18-2007, 09:01 AM
whoever said it is crazy to escalate an argument to the point of physical confrontation is right; these days i can generally deflect most anything that would come up in social situations.
failing that... i was a rough and tumble football player in high school. *still fairly formidable, around 200 lbs, not too flabby. *i have a propensity to open with a nice headbutt. *usually ends things quickly. *and like rwyatt pointed out, once things go over the line it's not a game anymore, but time for deadly serious action with intent to harm. *i have been cornered quite a number of times in various situations as an adult and gave better than i took on most occasions.
somebody trying to take my wallet or something better be a black belt, or have a weapon and a good opening gambit, or a buddy or three. *otherwise i'll make him wish a cop would show up. *at 17 i chased a would-be mugger who pulled his knife out a little too soon across a gas station parking lot and out onto the highway with a machete i grabbed out of the back of my truck. *he was so freaked out he almost got ran over by a semi. *i've also been on the receiving end of armed robbery twice, one successful, one not so successful. *both times while working the graveyard shift at a gas station back in college. *the first time it was a little tense but after i offered to carry a few cases of beer out to his car the way was considerably smoothed. *the second time i saw it coming (different guy, same desperate look, hands in jacket pockets) and i pulled the .38 out from under the counter and told him i would kill him unless he left. *i think he believed me. *or maybe he didn't even have a gun. *either way he left. *at the end of the shift, so did i... permanently.
i do admit i feel safer with weapons at hand; these days i have a small utility knife (that i can open with one hand) on me at all times, a pistol in the vehicle i'm driving, and a small arsenal in my home. *and yes i would knowingly kill to preserve my own life or the life of a loved one, or even the life of a stranger, if the situation called for it.
as far as "revenge" goes, often times it's a dish best not served at all.
I know where you're coming from StJimmy. You may not be lookin' for a fight, but if one comes your way don't back down.
I don't have your frame or build as an intimidation factor, as a kid and young adult I had your proverbial "98lb weakling" look about me so I got picked out as the "weak link". I learned early on that people would leave you alone if they thought you were crazy, no matter how small you are. My approach was to "explode" on an assailant, do something unexpected and violent to end things quickly. I'm not proud of this but it has kept me out of the hospital on several occasions.
I used to carry a fixed-blade knife strapped to my ankle and was pretty good at getting it deployed quickly. I stopped carrying it after being stopped one day in an all-white suburb (DWB - but that's another story) and it being discovered by the cop after a pat-down. I decided then that I would start taking a more moderate approach. I never liked guns and never owned one, it's just too easy to pull a trigger IMO. But I know that, if provoked, someone will get hurt - and it won't only be me.
Natrushka
10-18-2007, 09:10 AM
Physical fight: I get very quiet and I back off - I am scared of what I might do to someone if I let my anger out completely.
Revenge: Yes, a few times. It was very satisfying.
TeleportThis
10-18-2007, 02:00 PM
I've never been in a physical fight and don't expect to. If I saw the possibility of the confrontation turning physical, I'd probably just back off and leave. If I was backed into a corner and they weren't backing off though, you can bet your ass I'd fight back.
As far as revenge...I fantasize about it more than actually pursuing it, because I'd feel guilty about it if I actually did it, unless they more than deserved it.
logan235711
10-24-2007, 10:14 PM
I wouldn't really try to be involved in anything physical as well. Verbally I try to also not call names or things either. I try to resolve to situation by thinking about what caused it to go to whichever point it is at now and what I can do to make it better. I try not to place blames or anything like that as it doesn't usually get anywhere. Lastly, I don't get 'revenge'.
As Natrushka mentioned, if I were to fight I might be a bit frightened of what I might do as well, as someone who is less versed in emotional fighting it might be harder to hold back urges or something. But I suppose just about anyone is capable of doing atrocious things in similar situations, not just me--so I'm nothing special in that or similar regards.
Bossy Mom
10-26-2007, 04:42 PM
I don't like to lose my temper. I prefer thinking about how I can get my revenge in a legal and cold manner, and sometimes it takes me a while to come up with a plan. When my daughter's EX-best friend went after my daughter's ex-boyfriend (who she still liked), I helped her think of a plan to get even. It took me a few weeks, and when I explained it to my daughter, she liked it (and we did it). Her EX-best friend never got her ex-boyfriend! Nothing physical - sometimes the truth is the best way.
Blacklustre King
01-13-2008, 05:59 AM
Since I’ am a trained martial melee and weapon artist I go about my ultimate revenge by quickly rendering my opponent unconscious or disabled, whatever force I deem is necessary against the offender.
Whether I ruin them for life is their own choice, I have broken several arms and shattered one face. Self defense is a wonderful court defense but it also helps I’ am an INTJ with powerful connections.
As far as loosing my temper, I never really do. Anger makes one lose focus, let your enemy become angered and allow him or her throw the first strike before striking back.
The way of the sword, I’ am an INTJ, I can make a better and a more effective sword style, one that even gun slingers fear.
axiomtangent
01-13-2008, 11:10 AM
Once upon a time I was very eager to "test" myself physically, but as I get older, and hopefully wiser, I make it a rule to avoid fights whenever possible. I believe if things get physical now that I've failed in either judgement or excercise of control over situations. Most people can be manipulated through body language and attitude, even if they don't realize it on a concious level, and that makes the likelihood of them attacking you slim.
As for revenge, it is illogical to me; after all if you retaliate for its own sake then where's the purpose? If you take action to prevent or control future situations then it's not really revenge, but good tactics.
slut poacher
01-13-2008, 12:19 PM
given a choice i will walk away, but not before letting the other person know that my not getting involved was in their best interests. a lot of people will look at walking away from a fight as a sign of weakness, this will boost their confidence and level of aggression, if you are going to encounter this individual again you will have to either fight or get used to taking crap from him and his friends. as for me i am a fighter by nature, i am probably as dangerous as an untrained individual can get, big, fast, extremely strong, durable, mean and really good at it. this presents a problem, my last few altercations involved me fighting several people at once. after their ringleader starts getting beaten, they all jump in, now i am fighting 3-4 people and getting thoroughly beaten. to prevent myself from coming to serious harm, i have to escalate my tactics eg: biting, gougeing, etc. in my last battle i had drop my opponents head onto a parking post with me on top of him, i was being hit from all sides by his crew and i had no choice but start taking people out one at a time. you can easily kill someone doing this sort of thing. fortunately i live in a small community and word got around soon afterwards that i was not somebody to be messed with. fighting is always a bad idea, because even if you win you lose. after a fight i feel terrible as if i am the loneliest person on earth, unworthy of being loved. that feeling hurts more than the assorted cuts and bruises. fighting: i dont recommend it if it is avoidable.
I don't do revenge. However, I do make decisions.
While reading this thread, though, I was reminded of Krav Maga.
For anyone interested in real self defense, consider Krav Maga. It is the self defense method taught to the Israeli Defense Forces. You can learn it at several locations in the US. It is not a "gentlemen's" method. It combines martial arts with hair pulling, hitting below the waist, etc. The whole object of Krav Maga is to disable your adversary, totally, in the quickest way possible. Krav Maga assumes that, if you are going to use it, your life is at stake, and it is either you or them. Forget being polite. Nothing is against the rules.
There are two aspects to this. Physical assualt and dominance. Most of the youthful fights are simply dominance displays. Yet nobody can dominate you unless you allow it. Words can be hurled back in response to word. What the other guy is hoping is that you will back off in order to keep the peace. Sometimes you will do just that but it doesnt mean you have to be submissive.
Assualts are more tricky. If I had to go through the pain and expense of dental reconstruction then I would probably give up the contents of my wallet. It simply isnt worth suffering pain for $20. In choosing to fight you are not making a logical choice your choice has been driven by a sense of outrage.
I tend to think it is the schoolyard bully mentality carrying over to adulthood when people talk of punchs and kicks. That they need to do something to prevent repetition. Yet in these cases you know the atttacker and the police can deal with it. For the random street attack it is a one off. In these cases your only concern is preventing the assualt. This can be done by running away or disabling your attacker. Its a very dangerous thing for him since many people carry guns and even more carry knives. Whereas the schoolboy would not, the adult would use such weapons to prevent even trivial injury to himself.
Dreamer
01-13-2008, 03:19 PM
I am very much in control of myself and try to avoid confrontations.
I live in a very quiet neighbourhood,have gone to good schools and I've been only in a few fistfights in 5th and 6th grade. I then pretty much decided that fighting was not worth the adminsitrative hassle.
I have met my share of bullies who *deserved* to have their noses broken throughout my life.
As far as revenge goes,I am totally uncreative and the only rationalization that helps me cope with me defusing a "confrontation" is that I probably avoided getting hurt or in the event that I won would have caused me more trouble than it was worth it.
Knowing that there is no way to get back at them is very frustrating.
Tsuru
01-13-2008, 05:16 PM
How do you react to situuations in which you come to conflict and it gets to the point of physical? How do you generally go after revenge?
Also for the INTJ girls, how do you react?
I haven't been in a physical fight since I was 12 (I didn't do well. :P)
I'm pretty cowardly when it comes to that sort of thing (I'm sure I'd be awful at fighting for the same reason I'm awful at sports, haha) so I think I'd try to avoid it at all costs. If someone initiated violence against me and I had no readily available out, I'm pretty sure I'd have no qualms about going for the groin or shins and ending it ASAP and getting out of there.
Luckily I've yet to be in a position where fist fights were a potential to begin with. I don't leave home much and don't frequent the hangouts of the unwashed and uncouth masses. ;)
As far as revenge goes, I don't see it as a very good idea in general. It will only escalate things and keep them going: people in general are notorious for ignoring what they've done to others and seeing retaliation as a gross offense, to which they'll want to retaliate to.
Antares
01-13-2008, 07:09 PM
How do you react to situuations in which you come to conflict and it gets to the point of physical? How do you generally go after revenge?
Also for the INTJ girls, how do you react?
My only physical conflicts are with my cousins, and they aren't even serious. I may be small, but I'm quite a match for my 6 feet tall cousin :D
My conflicts never get physical, so thats not really applicable. Revenge... I plot them, although I usually don't do revenge anymore. I remember telling off a girl who backstabbed me on the net (man, she called me some quite nasty names), capturing the screen and sending it to my teacher four years ago. She got suspended.
Nowadays, I don't get into conflicts anymore, but I suspect I would confront the said person and use a forceful voice that would hopefully make them stop. I remember saying to a girl: You will tell no one of this. All the while glaring a hole through her. I dont think she's told anyone. I will still play the teacher card if I catch anyone at it, more or less to get even, but he/she would have to really deserve it if the school is issuing punishments for this behavior.
Paul V
01-16-2008, 06:35 PM
Never been in a physical fight. I tend to create harmony and peace wherever I go, but I'm not above using every single atom in my body to defend myself or someone else in the event of danger. And I'm definetely sure I'll survive whatever life throws my way. I just know (and many people have told me this as well) that I'm a born survivor.
I have strong desire to avenge wrongs done to me, but I often refrain myself out of my unwillingness to do harm. I rarely forget these wrongdoings, but I tend to forgive most of what's been done to me. Life's too short to have grudges.
Aurelia
02-20-2008, 06:09 PM
I don't do revenge. However, I do make decisions.
While reading this thread, though, I was reminded of Krav Maga.
For anyone interested in real self defense, consider Krav Maga. It is the self defense method taught to the Israeli Defense Forces. You can learn it at several locations in the US. It is not a "gentlemen's" method. It combines martial arts with hair pulling, hitting below the waist, etc. The whole object of Krav Maga is to disable your adversary, totally, in the quickest way possible. Krav Maga assumes that, if you are going to use it, your life is at stake, and it is either you or them. Forget being polite. Nothing is against the rules.
For the most part, I confront any issues head on. I've exacted revenge once and it wasn't satisfying (though it amused me for quite a while). As a kid I would get into physical fights. Sometimes I won the fight and other times I wouldn't. As I've gotten older, I've learned the value in picking and choosing my battles. I've spent time practicing tae kwon do, karate, jeet kun do and what I would LOVE to learn is krav maga. It sounds awesome.
vaguely dissatisfied
02-21-2008, 10:55 AM
Speaking as a female INTJ...............
I must admit that I have a wicked and potentially violent temper, however, I have a very long fuse and can be quite rational when I am angry. I did get into a few physical fights as a child (with boys), but I never really wanted to fight and was reluctantly drawn into them. There are only a few situations in which I would allow myself to go ahead and lose it. That would be situations in which someone was harming a member of my family. If it was one of my children, I believe I would be quite capable of murder.
Vojnik
02-21-2008, 11:19 AM
19 y.o INTJ male
I don't associate with idiots who want to pick fights, but when words fail me and I know I can win the fight hell why not teach him how to shut up. If I know I cannot win then retreat is a good option, as a famous saying goes 'live to fight another day'.
Vortex
02-21-2008, 04:38 PM
I'm far too paranoid to realistically allow an altercation to progress to a full-blown fight. I'll have excercised some non-violent means to end or leave before then. I just have a paranoid-eque fear of being prosecuted and having no way to fight back against societies norms and structures.
If required though, I can handle myself very well and it would be quick. I don't "play nice" in fights...
Fortunately, I can intimidate most other people that are trying to start something. INTJ style deathglare is *amazingly* powerful ;)
...The only time I would take revenge would be on a group of guys (single them out one by one) if they tried to jump me all at once when I wasn't ready...
That happened to me when I was in Middle School. And yes, I did take revenge. Slow. Exacting. Revenge.
I've been in numerous physical fights and have done very well. I can shrug off punches from people twice my size; I usually let them hit me once, laugh and tell them they're wasting their time. Demoralizes the bad guys pretty quick, though I'll take them on if it doesn't work.
When I was 8, I realized that I had speed but lacked upper body strength. To compensate, I studied Judo in order to learn how to throw people twice my size.
I try my best to stay out of physical confrontations, but I am not afraid of, nor unaccustomed to them. Typically I will try to talk my way out of such a scenario. But if someone persists then I go for the "kill" (not actually, but I try to inflict as much damage as I can by any means necessary – make it short and sweet). My goal, in that circumstance, is to make sure that the other person knows that I am crazy and that they will receive maximum punishment if they attempt confronting me in that manner again. I call it the "Doctrine of preventative mayhem".
Then consider me a fellow practicioner of your "Doctrine of preventative mayhem." Although in fights, the line between feigning insanity and actually being insane, becomes blurred.
Once upon a time I was very eager to "test" myself physically, but as I get older, and hopefully wiser, I make it a rule to avoid fights whenever possible. I believe if things get physical now that I've failed in either judgement or excercise of control over situations. Most people can be manipulated through body language and attitude, even if they don't realize it on a concious level, and that makes the likelihood of them attacking you slim.
This was definately the case when I was a child. Once I learned how to manipulate situations through words, I relied on fights less. Most physical encounters were defensive measures for me. I stood out due to good grades, high honors and a quiet but incredibly smug nature. If my peers couldn't beat me in the classroom, most figured they could literally beat me in the schoolyard. Due to a need to constantly improve myself, I welcomed the challenge. As an adult, I find physical altercations as pointless since I know how to manipulate the law to my favor. No need for fights when you can press charges.
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