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qwerty
10-31-2007, 12:28 AM
Looking at the world and it's complexities I'm beginning to wonder if you guys notice the world around you?

It sort of relates to a question I asked a group of friends at one point: When you picture infinity do you picture it as large and continuous or small and complex, using the example of calculus to examine it
as X approaches infinity what does f(X): X look like
as X approaches infinity what does f(X): 1/X look like
Or does infinity simply repeat like the side view of an 8 forever?

Now the results were simply along the lines of:
"I see infinity as being hugely large and don't think anyone sees it as being impossibly small" -- from the intuitive
and
"I can see infinity as both large and small but not repeating" -- from the sensors.

Here I concluded that the intuitives were actually visualising infinity in their minds and forming a conclusion
and the sensors were thinking about the examples I gave.

Next you look at the example of the rose and describing it, the sensors will describe the current details and the intuitives will relate it to a past experience.

So does this mean that intuitives don't actually pay attention to the world around them in real life? And is this the case for you?

I walk into a room and notice everyone in the room and what they're doing (or what I think they're doing). I imagine a sensor walks into a room and sees people but doesn't think about what they are doing. When I'm talking to a person I'll notice their actions and try to understand what they are thinking about, so in that regards I imagine a sensor only looks at a person and focuses on the conversation.

Is this is the case for everyone? Have I typed the type correctly? And just quickly how do you see infinity?

TruorTupnm
10-31-2007, 12:37 AM
Sounds about right, to myself.

Infinity: Superly large, thinking of space, then even larger (hopefully) while thinking of potentials.

A rose: Useless, smells nasty, too popular, too expensive, why upkeep?

Walking into a room: The vibe is identified. The mood, the ambience, then the stuff and what it could be for, or the people, and how they could be useful.

Talking to someone: Depends on the person, but usually ---> How can I hurry this up and move on? How to fly under the radar? Someone cool ---> Sure, what they're thinking about, how to persuade them, what makes them tick?

That stuff doesn't mean that we don't pay attention to the world. We pay attention to the world. The obvious is not contemplated, since it is immediately understood (usually, and, we hope). The possibilities are contemplated.

Nomad
10-31-2007, 12:48 AM
I see infinity in microcosm and macrocosm. I see cycles, mostly pulses in cycles of four, things do repeat. This is intuitive for me, supported by empirical examination of my environment. It's a tough point to prove logically, because it takes into account observations from many disciplines, sociology, history, ecology, etc. I've stayed out of the religions threads, but my religion,/ spirituality does support and reinforce my conclusions. A flower for me me is scent, color, texture, food for birds and insects, and has several metaphorical/religious connotations, as well as being beautiful and worthwhile in it's own right. it also exists and has an important part in the grand scheme that we call existence. it's a part of an extraordinary, self sustaining system with a complexity that simply boggles the mind. I see infinity in everything. and worlds in each thing.

-Nomad

qwerty
10-31-2007, 12:52 AM
I see infinity in microcosm and macrocosm. I see cycles, mostly pulses in cycles of four, things do repeat. This is intuitive for me, supported by empirical examination of my environment. It's a tough point to prove logically, because it takes into account observations from many disciplines, sociology, history, ecology, etc. I've stayed out of the religions threads, but my religion,/ spirituality does support and reinforce my conclusions. A flower for me me is scent, color, texture, food for birds and insects, and has several metaphorical/religious connotations, as well as being beautiful and worthwhile in it's own right. it also exists and has an important part in the grand scheme that we call existence. it's a part of an extraordinary, self sustaining system with a complexity that simply boggles the mind. I see infinity in everything. and worlds in each thing.

-Nomad

See I can see infinity as impossibly complex myself very similarly (example is in high school showing my upmost disgust to my science teacher who tried to teach me that the electron was as small as it got and that there could be nothing smaller). I left that part out because very few people bother to see that side of infinity, and those that do generally find that they need to justify it with proof. So you pass the intuitive test.

thegnat
10-31-2007, 09:39 AM
I see infinity in microcosm and macrocosm. I see cycles, mostly pulses in cycles of four, things do repeat. This is intuitive for me, supported by empirical examination of my environment. It's a tough point to prove logically, because it takes into account observations from many disciplines, sociology, history, ecology, etc. I've stayed out of the religions threads, but my religion,/ spirituality does support and reinforce my conclusions. A flower for me me is scent, color, texture, food for birds and insects, and has several metaphorical/religious connotations, as well as being beautiful and worthwhile in it's own right. it also exists and has an important part in the grand scheme that we call existence. it's a part of an extraordinary, self sustaining system with a complexity that simply boggles the mind. I see infinity in everything. and worlds in each thing.

-Nomad

I absolutely agree with that.

Then I also see infinity as kind of a summation of everything - and expand it to include the Universe - like take something relatively small and insignificant on this planet, as stated above I see infinity in this small organism or even inanimate mineral(its "infinity" is made up of the atoms/molecules and sub-atomic particles that make it up). Then we expand, eventually "infinity" could be the sum of the other "infinities" of things on Earth - then we go out to say Mars with infinity (I'm just picking an arbitrary direction) and we continue to expand outward, encompass the infinities of the solar system, then this arm of the milky way, then the milky way itself, then other galaxies and so on and so forth. Of course there will be patterns within it, but yet it's extraordinarily complex and immensely huge.

phoenix
10-31-2007, 06:23 PM
Infinity

As an astronomy grad student, one challenge was to comprehend the extremes...extreme distances, extreme times, extreme environments. I mastered that. And now when I talk about a a 25 million year stellar lifetime as being short, I really do conceive it that way. When I talk about galactic radio jets as being small, they really are to me.

Infinity is so large, so long, as to be outside my ability to comprehend. But I think about the beginning of our universe, and I speculate about the end. To me infinity will always be huge. Even huger than that...nope...keep going. If you can conceive it, you haven't gotten there yet...

mind_wander
10-31-2007, 06:24 PM
When I walking into a room, make a quicky observation: Who are the loud chatters? Who like to talk to whom? Where are the silent people at? Who are the true observers in the room? Oh yeah, Who are the pet peeves? [Intelligent people don't count in this box]. If you wanted called this a observation, so be it.

As for talking to people: Depends from person to person-->Could you make it quick?->uh, I got class, so I can fly under the radar-->Someone is nice to chat with-> Hey, let it all out, darn it wished time would slow down, so we can continue. Persuading is not so hard, as long it makes sense and logical.

xtremegeek
10-31-2007, 08:55 PM
Infinite - to me is quite vast and I'm just a micro.
A rose - is like an ES type person - colorful, alluring, expensive, high maintenance, and then you get too close and a thorn draws blood.
When I walk into a room, I notice who is/is not chatting; I notice colors; I count the number of people in the room to see what I'm up against. I don't like crowds.

Troublems
10-31-2007, 09:10 PM
A rose: the first thing I consider is the structure - the theories I know of how it is made up. Petals, stem, thorns. Then I would look at the actual rose in question and consider if it were different or not from the mental picture I have of a rose in terms of colour, etc.

Walking into a room: Have I been here before? If yes, notice people. If no, take in surroundings and store for later use. Where are the people I know well situated? (Good god, I'm beginning to sound like a computer program.)

Infinity: mostly think of it as an impossibly large number, normally in a context such as, as k tends to infinity...

thegnat
10-31-2007, 09:21 PM
Infinite - to me is quite vast and I'm just a micro.
A rose - is like an ES type person - colorful, alluring, expensive, high maintenance, and then you get too close and a thorn draws blood.
When I walk into a room, I notice who is/is not chatting; I notice colors; I count the number of people in the room to see what I'm up against. I don't like crowds.

I agree. To me it could almost be analogous to being a quark(human) in a huge molecule(universe) that we don't even know what half our surrounding atoms/space are, let alone what the whole molecule is. Or perhaps we're riding on a spinning electron in a lone pair on a macromolecule that we have no idea what the extent of it is. heck it could even be polymerizing(getting bigger). We're just there for the ride and have no idea what the extent of it is.

Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like to a molecule's perspective. (random comment, don't need to hijack thread!)