Choosing when to die.

[notoppings]

Someone offers to sell you a death policy. In the event that you become terminally ill or disabled as defined by you, they will create an accident to facilitate your death, would you sign? But once you decide, you can't change your mind. Ever, no matter what. Would this be ethical/selfish?

[sriv]

No, there is always a chance to recover from terminal illness. Miracles happen. It would be unethical, because we may start down a slippery slope.

[thod]

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[notoppings]

No, there is always a chance to recover from terminal illness. Miracles happen. It would be unethical, because we may start down a slippery slope.
Miracles do happen I'm more concerned with the threshold of life if you are in a coma with little brain activity and no chance of recovery is this quality of life good for you or are your loved ones keeping you alive for their own needs I can understand their needs but is this ethical.
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Legally you are correct but this would be an illegal contract not enforced by the courts only by the partner you agreed with my supposition is this contract is so that your survivors would not hurt because you decided to suicide and to ensure that it appears as an accident so that the insurance company would pay on any life insurance that you had previously/legally attained. Their are no courts in my ethics proposal.

[acyckowski]

If an accident was facilitated, it wouldn't be an accident, would it?

It wouldn't be ethical or selfish, it would be absolutely f@#$ing boneheaded. If you can't see this scenario as fraught with astoundingly bad possible outcomes, maybe I can interest you in some of the great opportunities in selling Amway....

[notoppings]

If an accident was facilitated, it wouldn't be an accident, would it?

It wouldn't be ethical or selfish, it would be absolutely f@#$ing boneheaded. If you can't see this scenario as fraught with astoundingly bad possible outcomes, maybe I can interest you in some of the great opportunities in selling Amway....

I see plenty of possible out come thats my point. Can you honestly say that you have never heard anyone say "if that ever happened to me I wish someone would just kill me" . You're right to some it would be murder to others a mercy. That is the purpose of this thread to stimulate debate. As for the Amway sorry I only join pyramid schemes that way I get more fleecing for my ignorance.

[acyckowski]

I see plenty of possible out come thats my point. Can you honestly say that you have never heard anyone say "if that ever happened to me I wish someone would just kill me" . You're right to some it would be murder to others a mercy. That is the purpose of this thread to stimulate debate. As for the Amway sorry I only join pyramid schemes that way I get more fleecing for my ignorance.

Hmm....let's see....sign an ironclad agreement to be offed that depends on somebody else's interpretation of my intent, as expressed in an inherently flawed and vague language, and executed (no pun intended) while I am unable to clarify any ambiguities.....sounds boneheaded to me.

[notoppings]

Hmm....let's see....sign an ironclad agreement to be offed that depends on somebody else's interpretation of my intent, as expressed in an inherently flawed and vague language, and executed (no pun intended) while I am unable to clarify any ambiguities.....sounds boneheaded to me.

Just a couple of point 1. you didn't answer the question about hearing anybody say I wish I were dead scenario. 2. The terms in the original question were stated "as set by you". Unless you are in the habit of not clearly expressing your self (doesn't appear that way) then the bonehead scenario would never come up. Don't edit the question to fit your answer, make argument on the terms as written.:nono::deal:

[blueback]

Does "you can't change your mind. Ever, no matter what." mean that if technology improves and they can bring people out of any and all vegetative states, which negates the reason for the contract's existence, that you can't cancel or change the terms of the contract?

[acyckowski]

Just a couple of point 1. you didn't answer the question about hearing anybody say I wish I were dead scenario. 2. The terms in the original question were stated "as set by you". Unless you are in the habit of not clearly expressing your self (doesn't appear that way) then the bonehead scenario would never come up. Don't edit the question to fit your answer, make argument on the terms as written.:nono::deal:

No, I didn't change the question. I failed to state that it is not possible for me to conceive every circumstance and condition which may lead to the point of decision. It is pure folly to assume I could lay out a sufficiently detailed decision tree that somebody else would be able to interpret with a reasonable degree of accuracy, due to the vague nature of language. So, I leaped to the conclusion that "as set by me" will be vastly underrepresentative of what got me into the mess.

Or, as Murphy put it, "Whatever can go wrong, will."

Does "you can't change your mind. Ever, no matter what." mean that if technology improves and they can bring people out of any and all vegetative states, which negates the reason for the contract's existence, that you can't cancel or change the terms of the contract?

And that's why it would be boneheaded to even try. I don't know when I'm going turnip, it could be tonight or twenty-five years from now. Consider that 25 years ago, I got my first computer, a TRS-80 Color Computer, with 64 colors and a whopping 16k RAM. AND it saved directly to a cassette tape.

We're all still laughing at Walt Disney for taking the deep freeze, but who's to say he won't get the last laugh?

[notoppings]

Does "you can't change your mind. Ever, no matter what." mean that if technology improves and they can bring people out of any and all vegetative states, which negates the reason for the contract's existence, that you can't cancel or change the terms of the contract?

Yes, I guess thats what I'm trying to get across there will always be a chance no matter how small that things will change. So they bring me out of a vegetative state but how is my brain function, if I were to sign the contract I would want to set some thresh hold on that. Would you sign up?

[acyckowski]

Yes, I guess thats what I'm trying to get across there will always be a chance no matter how small that things will change. So they bring me out of a vegetative state but how is my brain function, if I were to sign the contract I would want to set some thresh hold on that. Would you sign up?

Still better off with Amway.

[Jakalwarrior]

Would put a damper on going out some way cool or having fun. Would also mean you couldnt enjoy your last few days without worry of accidental death :D

Still though, I have no qualms with suicide. That is something for the religous.

[PRBori]

No... I believe in destiny. When my time to die comes I will accepted no matter how it is, but I will not schedule my death...

A death planned = suicide

Therefore it is against my belief... Suicide is never the answer