View Full Version : Simon Cowell = INTJ ?
l345l
03-23-2008, 09:19 AM
What is Simon Cowell's personality type?
Does he have strong INTJ characteristics? Why or why not?
he's quite an interesting guy.
Jgib5328
03-23-2008, 11:23 AM
He definitely is an NTJ, I dunno if he is an I or not, he seems like it though, so yeah an INTJ.
lordrrr
03-23-2008, 12:29 PM
I was thinking this as well, seeing as he's so honest, which is why he's the only reason to watch American Idol. I hate that Randy Jackson "AY YO BABY YO CHECK IT OUT DOG DAT WAS OFF DA HIZZLE PRETTY GOOD AIGHT BUT AIGHT NEEDZ A LITTLE WURK AIGHT DAWG CHECK IT OUT BABY CHECK IT OUT" and oh GOD Paula Abdul, who does nothing but BS the singer with the most positive things she can think while she sits there half drunk and everyone cheers because of her positive comments. I hate the fact that they sometimes shut Simon up by booing him or interrupting him, I find it extremely rude. Why the hell should he be there in the first place if they arn't going to listen to his opinion unless it's a positive one?
Firelie
03-23-2008, 01:08 PM
Yeah, I find the other two on the show pretty damn annoying. I'm surprised Simon doesn't show more physical violence toward Paula. I know I've wanted to pop her in the mouth more than a few times.
But anyway...I'd thought he was was of the same type merely because he always seems to say exactly what I'm thinking. That's not a very scientific basis for typing someone, though.
l345l
03-23-2008, 01:38 PM
yes, cowell is the only reason why you don't need to be ashamed of the fact that you watch american idol.
lordrrr
03-23-2008, 01:41 PM
yes, cowell is the only reason why you don't need to be ashamed of the fact that you watch american idol.
I just do my homework while my parents watch it and rush in when he's about to comment to see what he says.
NoahAddle
03-23-2008, 01:55 PM
Yes, Simon Cowell is most definitely INTJ. I would be willing to bet the same with Chef Ramsey on Hell's Kitchen. Too much honesty, not enough consideration for other person's emotions, yet very sharp, insightful, and witty criticisms.
F's would care more about the other person's feelings.
S's would not be nearly as witty
P's wouldn't be as decisive with their judgments
I give Simon 'I' over 'E' because you can just tell while watching him that he's in his own world while listening to the performer.
INTJoe
03-23-2008, 04:19 PM
Simon is most definitely ENTJ.
I've posted him in the Celebrity INTJ thread or whatever a long time ago...nobody responded. Anyway, I'd bet a large amount of money he's ENTJ. But he is certainly an NTJ.
If there is any question as to whether he's I or E, take note of how quick-tongued he is. He does not use the inner voice filter before speaking, like an I. I's step lively, then speak, with carefully formulated words. His thoughts just come out, then he reflects, then re-speaks. He's much quicker than an INTJ.
Paula is certainly about 95-100 Feeeeeeler, which is disgusting to watch. Gag. :yuck:
l345l
03-24-2008, 12:46 AM
Paula is certainly about 95-100 Feeeeeeler, which is disgusting to watch. Gag. :yuck:
thank god for the mute button. ryan gets it too.
ginandsour
03-24-2008, 03:48 AM
It's an image he's cultivated, so it seems a bit silly to try and type him.
Anyone else look at the INTJ list and think, "Wow, look at all the assholes."?
Being critical is a good thing. Wit is a good thing. Intelligence is a good thing. None of these are good things at the expense of being able to interact with the rest of society and not be dismissed as a dick.
Are they losing out? Maybe. But I don't give people second chances to not be rude to me, although if you're on American Idol I imagine you expect it.
INTJoe
03-24-2008, 06:15 PM
Simon (ENTJ) may be "an asshole", but he's worth North of $200 Million, which means he'll be able to help out humanity a great deal, IF he chooses. Nothing assholish about that, imo.
He also gets the most applause when he says anything GOOD, because everybody knows he doesn't bullshit. His word is solid. Randy and Paula are borderline WORTHLESS in their constructive criticism.
Jgib5328
03-24-2008, 06:18 PM
Simon (ENTJ) may be "an asshole", but he's worth North of $200 Million, which means he'll be able to help out humanity a great deal, IF he chooses. Nothing assholish about that, imo.
He also gets the most applause when he says anything GOOD, because everybody knows he doesn't bullshit. His word is solid. Randy and Paula are borderline WORTHLESS in their constructive criticism.
Why would he help out humanity and why would he be an asshole for not donating? I don't intend on donating any money, I don't think I'm being an asshole, I mean I decide where my money goes.
INTJoe
03-24-2008, 07:13 PM
Why would he help out humanity and why would he be an asshole for not donating? I don't intend on donating any money, I don't think I'm being an asshole, I mean I decide where my money goes.
I don't know why he WOULD donate, I just said he has the opportunity to do a great deal of good with his position in life IF he chooses. What I was implying was that if he were to do this, it would surely negate many of the bitter feelings toward him. I also put "asshole" in quotes, because that is the label he's been given.
If he doesn't donate, I don't think that solidifies him as an asshole, but, like I said, it will go a long way toward helping his image, the image assigned to him by American TV viewers, no matter how flawed that assessment of image may be.
You are not an asshole if you don't donate money. I never said that. What I mean is that the book on Simon Cowell isn't written. He could be the world's biggest asshole for 30 more years (as well as any NTJ), and then donate a half-Billion to Cancer research and people will be all... "Wow, I guess I was wrong about him; what a great guy."
eternaltriangle
03-25-2008, 02:44 AM
I haven't watched much American Idol, but when Simon Criticizes, what is the nature of his criticism? Wouldn't an N vs. S distinction depend upon whether he is haranguing on the details and precedents (eg. Shakira did it this way), whereas an N would discuss more the big picture flaws (then again we seem to be grammar Nazis)?
INTJoe
03-25-2008, 06:13 PM
Randy is a sensor...he readily calls out specific notes that went bad. "Yo, dog, I didn't like the note at the end, dog."
Simon is more like "Uhhh, it just wasn't very good, it reminded me of a theme park performance." Very N. He might not be able to explain exactly why it sucked, but he seems to know when it sucks, and he can readily liken it to something crappy he's witnessed in the past.
Simon also knows not to go too far when a great performer has a bad night. He remembers the forest instead of hte trees. "You're a great performer; tonight wasn't very good. Hang in there, we expect to see you around next week." etc.
Aoiluna
03-25-2008, 09:41 PM
Usually I agree with Simon's comments and hate it when people boo him. I think he handles it well considering how much negativity he gets.
lordrrr
03-25-2008, 10:53 PM
Usually I agree with Simon's comments and hate it when people boo him. I think he handles it well considering how much negativity he gets.
Agreed. Pisses me off when someone is trying to give an honest opinion that America decides to shush it. Trust me, it says a LOT about this country.
ginandsour
03-27-2008, 11:21 PM
I suppose I should elaborate: what I'm suggesting is that Simon is only an ideal because he's Simon, not a "normal" person. "Normal" people can't get away with saying some of those things and not be written off, no matter how witty/gifted/smart. I've been passed over for jobs because of bluntness that bordered on rude--now I curb it so I can do things like eat and pay rent.
Lordrrr, it says a lot about this country now. Snowflake syndrome is going to bite American in the ass.
IgnoranceIsKind
03-28-2008, 02:41 AM
Simon is most definitely ENTJ.
I'd disagree, actually.
Just because he is quick-tongued and verbally expressive on the show does not make him an E. His job on American Idol requires him to be so, and he is only doing his job. There might be a misconception to his replies as being spontaneous but I choose to believe he formulates his reponses as the performer does their piece. Which reinforces the fact that his thinking was done introvertedly.
On a side note, I really appreciate his honest feedback. The fact that he doesn't sugar-coat his responses just to make the performers feel better is actually constructive. If he were to lie (as the other two judges do), it would be most destructive as they cannot learn from their mistakes. And this honesty notwithstanding public opinion is most certainly a veritable trait of an INTJ
blue tie
03-28-2008, 11:39 AM
Maybe xNTJ, who knows? But Randy definitely doesn't lie lie. He might say it a different way, but he'll keep it real, he's a producer. He can't be putting his professional career on the line saying dumb shit. Paula, on the other hand, sugar coats so much shit. Actually, she doesn't lie either, but she chooses to focus on worthless positives like heart, effort, and improvement from suck when someone really, really tanks.
It's funny, you know when Simon says something good about you, you're rockin'. And when Paula has nothing good to say about you, you're boned.
INTJoe
03-29-2008, 07:54 PM
I'd disagree, actually.
Just because he is quick-tongued and verbally expressive on the show does not make him an E. His job on American Idol requires him to be so, and he is only doing his job. There might be a misconception to his replies as being spontaneous but I choose to believe he formulates his reponses as the performer does their piece. Which reinforces the fact that his thinking was done introvertedly.
His job on American Idol requires him to be this way? Huh??? He was like one of the pistons that drove the engine from the get-go. It's not just like some dude hired him out of nowhere and said "YOu've got to be quick-tongued and verbally expressive for this job." It's not a switch you can just turn on and off. Simon has been doing this stuff for years in England, IIRC.
When he presents his critique, yes, it is generally pretty formulated...but even still sometimes he'll wander, or "think out loud" like an E. And he's fully capable of "finding his way", which is not like an I. The words we present are almost always polished, final products. Simon can wander and find his way.
Also, you can see his quick tongue come out more when Paula or Ryan throw him some stupid curveball that he has respond to. I guess what I'm saying is he gets attacked a lot by the other non-rationals, and you see he handles it, verbally, much quicker and better than an I.
It is certain that he is some form of NTJ, though.
TheLastMohican
03-29-2008, 07:59 PM
Also, you can see his quick tongue come out more when Paula or Ryan throw him some stupid curveball that he has respond to. I guess what I'm saying is he gets attacked a lot by the other non-rationals, and you see he handles it, verbally, much quicker and better than an I.
I am curious: Where did you learn that I's are verbally slower than E's?
I's tend to think before speaking, but they are certainly capable of speaking before thinking if they want to. They just have greater inhibition in that area; They are not mentally slower and worse at forming thoughts, at least in my experience.
Alaron251
03-29-2008, 08:03 PM
Heh. My name's Simon - And I am brutally honest with people, but sometimes I believe he does play the crowds to make them boo, after all, the only reason I watch stuff like that is cause he tells people how it is.
INTJoe
03-29-2008, 08:22 PM
I am curious: Where did you learn that I's are verbally slower than E's?
I's tend to think before speaking, but they are certainly capable of speaking before thinking if they want to. They just have greater inhibition in that area; They are not mentally slower and worse at forming thoughts, at least in my experience.
I can't remember, but I saw a study online, with images to clarify. It showed that, when an E gets stimulated by speech, he or she responds, then the dialogue gets transferred to some part of their brain that reviews (introspection) the current status of the conversation. This is likely a matter of seconds, of course.
I's get stimulated by speech, and their response formulates slowly, as it has to travel through the "inner filter" first, then can be released by the tongue.
I have no idea if all that was scientifically accurate, but ever since I saw the diagram, I've observed E's and I's, and I have noticed, (and been amazed by), how much quicker words roll off the tongue of E's. If you hit an I with any kind of verbal curveball, there is almost always a guaranteed slowdown before response.
TheLastMohican
03-29-2008, 08:25 PM
I can't remember, but I saw a study online, with images to clarify. It showed that, when an E gets stimulated by speech, he or she responds, then the dialogue gets transferred to some part of their brain that reviews (introspection) the current status of the conversation. This is likely a matter of seconds, of course.
I's get stimulated by speech, and their response formulates slowly, as it has to travel through the "inner filter" first, then can be released by the tongue.
I have no idea if all that was scientifically accurate, but ever since I saw the diagram, I've observed E's and I's, and I have noticed, (and been amazed by), how much quicker words roll off the tongue of E's. If you hit an I with any kind of verbal curveball, there is almost always a guaranteed slowdown before response.
Hm. But then it would seem that the response from an I, although usually slower, would be of a higher quality.
INTJoe
03-29-2008, 08:30 PM
Hm. But then it would seem that the response from an I, although usually slower, would be of a higher quality.
From what I've observed, I would agree with this. Of course, the E's are known to speak-think-speak, so they do get an opportunity to clarify. Maybe it's a trade-off for their ease in society...what comes out of an E's mouth is usually far less-polished than that of an I.
It only makes sense that a slower process would yield a better result. "Measure twice, cut once."
The unfortunate thing for I's is that, in Western culture, quick response time is sometimes seen as a sign of intelligence. Take 2 people with an IQ of 130 or so, one is an EP, the other, an IJ. Society would likely guestimate the EPs intelligence level as possibly 15 points higher than that of the IJ.
TheLastMohican
03-29-2008, 08:47 PM
The unfortunate thing for I's is that, in Western culture, quick response time is sometimes seen as a sign of intelligence. Take 2 people with an IQ of 130 or so, one is an EP, the other, an IJ. Society would likely guestimate the EPs intelligence level as possibly 15 points higher than that of the IJ.
*mutters something about today's instant gratification culture*
Iveyrockstar
03-30-2008, 12:43 AM
Simon is most definitely ENTJ.
I've posted him in the Celebrity INTJ thread or whatever a long time ago...nobody responded. Anyway, I'd bet a large amount of money he's ENTJ. But he is certainly an NTJ.
If there is any question as to whether he's I or E, take note of how quick-tongued he is. He does not use the inner voice filter before speaking, like an I. I's step lively, then speak, with carefully formulated words. His thoughts just come out, then he reflects, then re-speaks. He's much quicker than an INTJ.
Paula is certainly about 95-100 Feeeeeeler, which is disgusting to watch. Gag. :yuck:
It is the "J" which allows him to come to his quick conclusions. Being an "I" does not in every case prevent one from having a quick response. It depends on how resolved the issue is in the "I"'s mind. For someone with a lot of experience in a specialized field, it's easier to make a quick judgement because it is based upon a pre-determined set of guidelines or process' of evaluation. His judgement is swift because he's so knowledgeable about music, the industry, and what they are looking for. Things which support the belief that he is an "I" would include his sarcasm mixed with logic in response to opposition from an individual or group that he considers "non-credible". Also, being a seeming jerk because the delivery of his evaluation leaves no room for social considerations or popularity proves "I". He is too elitist in his approach to be an "E". I'm an "I", and I know why... -Because I'm rarely proven wrong, and because there are few things that I havent given full consideration to before passing judgement. If I'm not knowledgeable enough on a subject, I'll either challenge opinions when finding inconsistency in the logic presented, or after having educated myself to a point of conclusion. He's just given so much consideration to what is accepted in the music industry (and what is not) that it is second nature for him to evaluate and provide feedback to those performing. He knows that he is the only credible source for objective evaluation on the show, so he feels an even deeper conviction to deliver the dream-shattering news that some of these kids simply dont have what it takes to ever become anything of any significance in the music business. It's not a head game intended to cause the wannabe... Uh, I mean "CONTESTANT", to try harder or get better. He has concluded in his mind in most of these cases that the performance simply lacked enough quality to warrant any form of kindness in his response. Ultimately, he is perceived as being arrogant and rude when the truth is that he is really just one of the best producers in the world and has no patience for people whose performances offend both his professional eyes and ears. I tend to feel like he does about most performances... It sometimes takes an "INTJ Musician" to know one.
BTW, I'm a musician myself...
INTJoe
03-30-2008, 12:28 PM
What.
I'm done debating it. I've already written myriad reasons for him being an ENTJ, rather than an INTJ. I'm not going to repeat myself anymore. But this is an INTJ forum, and people seem to be hell-bent on including him as "one of us". Isn't ENTJ close enough??? :huh:
Iveyrockstar
03-30-2008, 12:55 PM
I'll simplify: He has too much natural "Smart-a$$" in him to be an ENTJ. And for the record, I thought this discussion was about whether or not he is an "I" or an "E". The "people" who "seem to be hell-bent" on classifying him as an INTJ are not "hell-bent" because they want Simon to fall into this category based on some perceived positive association, but rather because their individual evaluations of him has deemed him so. Maybe if you bring up some other points where you notice Simon is more similar to an "E" and list them with the points you have already presented, you will help others see your argument. I personally think your evaluation is inaccurate, but if I was in your shoes, I wouldnt let it rest until I had either proven with logic why I believed the way I do, or until I had reached the conclusion that my earlier evaluation was either inaccurate or incomplete. Since your outnumbered, you should really be open to considering what others have to say and unless you are able to further reinforce your belief that he is an "E" accept that he may likely not be as much an "E" as you originally thought. At least that's how I process things. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but the people who I make prove me wrong have to work a lot harder than expected in order to do so. Anything less is not an INTJ-worthy effort.
"It's not personal, it's strictly business..." (The Godfather)
INTJoe
03-30-2008, 08:24 PM
Simon Cowell: ENTJ. :laugh:
ginandsour
03-31-2008, 01:37 AM
What.
I'm done debating it. I've already written myriad reasons for him being an ENTJ, rather than an INTJ. I'm not going to repeat myself anymore. But this is an INTJ forum, and people seem to be hell-bent on including him as "one of us". Isn't ENTJ close enough??? :huh:
This happened in the fictional character thread with House, too. People like House and so they naturally want him and other personalities they admire to be like their own.
Iveyrockstar
03-31-2008, 12:02 PM
Unless rebutted by INTJoe, I can agree to disagree and have no further comments... Except:
Simon Cowell: INTJ
TheLastMohican
03-31-2008, 12:05 PM
Unless rebutted by INTJoe, I can agree to disagree and have no further comments... Except:
Simon Cowell: INTJ
Simon Cowell: ENTJ
Uberfuhrer
04-01-2008, 07:22 AM
I always thought Simon Cowell was very Te dominant, I say ENTJ, too. Keep in mind, I never really watched American Idol, but I've been in the room while it was on, and I've observed Simon Cowell's mannerisms, and I definitely see an ENTJ vibe about him.
I was thinking this as well, seeing as he's so honest, which is why he's the only reason to watch American Idol. I hate that Randy Jackson "AY YO BABY YO CHECK IT OUT DOG DAT WAS OFF DA HIZZLE PRETTY GOOD AIGHT BUT AIGHT NEEDZ A LITTLE WURK AIGHT DAWG CHECK IT OUT BABY CHECK IT OUT" and oh GOD Paula Abdul, who does nothing but BS the singer with the most positive things she can think while she sits there half drunk and everyone cheers because of her positive comments. I hate the fact that they sometimes shut Simon up by booing him or interrupting him, I find it extremely rude. Why the hell should he be there in the first place if they arn't going to listen to his opinion unless it's a positive one?
Best job ever. When your drunk even mundane stuff seems interesting.
Claptonian
04-04-2008, 09:23 PM
Yes, Simon Cowell is most definitely INTJ. I would be willing to bet the same with Chef Ramsey on Hell's Kitchen.
Ramsay's got to be ENTJ. Watch his show "Kitchen Nightmares" (BBC version, not FOX); he's actually very good at working with others, motivating people and organizing workers and can be quite the charmer when talking to prospective customers. He also seems very active to me. He's had at least four different shows going on within the past couple years, plus he's opened at least eight restaurants in ten years. He seems like the stereotypical ENTJ.
foroneonly
05-07-2008, 05:03 PM
I was thinking this yesterday while watching American Idol. (well forced to watch) But could he be an E?
Nanashi
05-08-2008, 01:57 PM
ginandsour: Anyone else look at the INTJ list and think, "Wow, look at all the assholes."?
nanashi:whew. yeah.
Mozzes
05-18-2008, 11:12 PM
ESTP wouldn't surprise me one bit. Look at all the millions he's made from shitty bands. If that doesn't scream "promoter" I don't know what does. And don't forget that American Idol is pretty much his creation. And if his on-screen persona is artificially constructed (or perhaps just exaggerated) then that still seems to suggest "promoter".
And as for comments like, "he's too witty to be S", well, I can't quite put my finger on the specific reason, but it strikes me as quite a stupid thing to say.
zoophilia
05-19-2008, 09:05 PM
bitchy catty enfj imo
Jenny Penny
05-20-2008, 07:06 AM
Simon is most definitely ENTJ.
I've posted him in the Celebrity INTJ thread or whatever a long time ago...nobody responded. Anyway, I'd bet a large amount of money he's ENTJ. But he is certainly an NTJ.
If there is any question as to whether he's I or E, take note of how quick-tongued he is. He does not use the inner voice filter before speaking, like an I. I's step lively, then speak, with carefully formulated words. His thoughts just come out, then he reflects, then re-speaks. He's much quicker than an INTJ.
Paula is certainly about 95-100 Feeeeeeler, which is disgusting to watch. Gag. :yuck:
I agree. Simon is ENTJ. He LOVES to hear himself talk.
Vertigo
05-20-2008, 09:59 AM
This thread made me laugh, the descriptions for Paula being drunk and a feeler lol.
I would agree with Simon being a ENTJ, and I really do like watching his comments, they may come off crude or rude but he's honest.
royalstar
05-20-2008, 07:28 PM
I don't care if by his character he is an INTJ or NOT an INTJ. I'm not allowing him in. The title of INTJ can be held only by those who aren't big meanies with huge egos and who say bad things :(.
Lawl jking...he most likely is an INTJ if he took the test. He does seem to take his time to give an answer, one introverted quality I think. He seems the intuitive type, and he definitely is a Judgmental.
Femme de Homme INTJ
06-10-2008, 11:39 PM
My first guess was ENTJ, but I now think it's more toward INTJ.
Yes, he seems to give quick ansers, but notice that he's always the LAST of the panels judged to speak. Also, he DOES go into his own world, looking down to gather his thoughts. This is all I've noticed though. I haven't seen any of his restaurant shows.
Someone here suggested he was a promoter type, ESTP. I'd thought of that, too, a long time ago. I certainly feel the same way towards him as I do about ESTPs. Only I admire him more and find him attractive. (And in my biased opinion makes him an INzz-type!)
Flamethrower
06-23-2008, 08:21 PM
My first guess was ENTJ, but I now think it's more toward INTJ.
Yes, he seems to give quick ansers, but notice that he's always the LAST of the panels judged to speak. Also, he DOES go into his own world, looking down to gather his thoughts. This is all I've noticed though.
I am tending towards INTJ also. But I think ENTJs and INTJs are easy to get mixed up. I am in a band with an ENTJ and I find it fun trying to figure out exactly how we are different sometimes.
I've have noticed that extraverted people tend to just look directly at who they are talking to when answering a question but introverts appear to be thinking or daydreaming and look around more as if they are pulling the answer out of the back of their minds (or maybe they really do think the answer is written on the ceiling :p).
So if comparing Simon Cowell to Gordon Ramsay (assuming they are NTJs) I would definitely say Ramsay is an ENTJ because he is totally direct and instantaneous when he is talking to people. Simon Cowell appears more considered. He's often chewing his pencil and does pause before answering. And he does look away while he thinks even is only briefly.
Also I agree with Iveyrockstar. I have spent many years in the music industry myself and have judged this sort of music competition many times. My responses are very similar to Simon's and I also make them very quickly, not because I am being extraverted but because I am basing them on experience and also a very strong conviction about the industry.
He could be either an INTJ or ENTJ. He would extravert thinking either way. My guess is that he is an INTJ. His critiques tend towards the "insightful" side (lead intuition) and it would appear that he lacks a certain social awareness that an E would have. With regards to him being a promoter - that seems preposterous to me. It is interesting if you saw him in the first season, he was much more subdued than today.
Julia
04-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Simon is most definitely ENTJ.
This is my impression as well. I believe he would test as an ENTJ, but in reality leans towards ESTJ. His focus is too outward and image conscious to be an introvert. His "insights" carry more weight because of the force of his Te in projecting them. He is more convincing than accurate imo.
Stratego
04-19-2009, 08:31 PM
my vote: INTJ
PeterIMC
04-19-2009, 08:39 PM
What is Simon Cowell's personality type?
Does he have strong INTJ characteristics? Why or why not?
he's quite an interesting guy.
I'm pretty much convinced that he's an ENTP. There is no way that he is an INTJ.
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I know only one other ENTP (he did the test on my request) and he's got that same direct honesty without any interest in caring for the feelings of the other. Unless Cowell is completely acting when on tv, I'm pretty sure he's an ENTP.
Kind of have to have an E in order to be so much in the spot light.
dogwoodlover
04-20-2009, 01:44 AM
Apparently some people couldn't tell the difference between an introvert and an extravert if their lives depended on it.
Not to mention, I suspect his reactions are inauthentic. I would bet, quite a lot actually, that his "criticisms" and "witty remarks" are fully scripted.
This reminds me of the House thread.
Julia
04-20-2009, 09:17 AM
I know only one other ENTP (he did the test on my request) and he's got that same direct honesty without any interest in caring for the feelings of the other. Unless Cowell is completely acting when on tv, I'm pretty sure he's an ENTP.
Kind of have to have an E in order to be so much in the spot light.
I agree with you regarding extroversion. His best knowledge, intelligence, and intuition are all focused on creating commercially viable images which is a socially driven, externally focused skill. He doesn't know a significant amount regarding music.
In his own way I think he does care about the feelings of others and focuses much energy impacting them. He enjoys getting sensational reactions from others. It is why he nearly always uses exaggerated speech. In reality he has met neither the "worst singer in the world" or the "greatest one". He's met a significant range, but statements like those are intentionally made to evoke sensational responses in others. Once again, his statements and behavior reflect his skill at creating a commercially successful image (i.e. his own image on the show).
PeterIMC
04-20-2009, 09:27 AM
Apparently some people couldn't tell the difference between an introvert and an extravert if their lives depended on it.
Not to mention, I suspect his reactions are inauthentic. I would bet, quite a lot actually, that his "criticisms" and "witty remarks" are fully scripted.
This reminds me of the House thread.
What's the point you´re trying to make? What do you think his MBTI type is?
SShack
04-20-2009, 11:52 AM
Simon's not adept at extraverted intuition, meaning he's not likely an ENTP. He expresses bafflement at certain behaviors and even entire genres of music. ("I don't understand why you ..." "I don't understand what this song is about...") Unless he's feigning confusion in order to get away with nasty comments (which is always a possibility. I've done it myself) whatever intuition he's got is coming from within. That doesn't mean I think he INTJ or ENTJ, just that he's not ENTP.
I don't see him as very forward-thinking in regards to the industry. He thinks that he is, but his viewpoint is actually defined by what's popular right now at this very moment.
dogwoodlover
04-20-2009, 04:05 PM
What's the point you´re trying to make? What do you think his MBTI type is?
It seems evident to me, anyway, that he's EXTJ. His behavior does not mimic those IXTJs I've known, nor their descriptions. He does, on the other hand, seem to closely fit the EXTJ stereotypes.
Simon's not adept at extraverted intuition, meaning he's not likely an ENTP. He expresses bafflement at certain behaviors and even entire genres of music. ("I don't understand why you ..." "I don't understand what this song is about...") Unless he's feigning confusion in order to get away with nasty comments (which is always a possibility. I've done it myself) whatever intuition he's got is coming from within. That doesn't mean I think he INTJ or ENTJ, just that he's not ENTP.
I don't see him as very forward-thinking in regards to the industry. He thinks that he is, but his viewpoint is actually defined by what's popular right now at this very moment.
Agreed.
Samoan Corleone
04-24-2009, 04:51 AM
Simon Cowell may very well be an INTJ. ENTJs are usually bossy, whereas he seems more like a detached examiner. He could also be an ISTJ.
Yeah, I find the other two on the show pretty damn annoying. I'm surprised Simon doesn't show more physical violence toward Paula. I know I've wanted to pop her in the mouth more than a few times.
Emilio Estevez beat you to it. Mighty Ducks!
Maayan
04-24-2009, 04:53 AM
ENTJ.
nothingunusual
04-24-2009, 05:50 AM
Yes, Simon Cowell is most definitely INTJ. I would be willing to bet the same with Chef Ramsey on Hell's Kitchen. Too much honesty, not enough consideration for other person's emotions, yet very sharp, insightful, and witty criticisms.
F's would care more about the other person's feelings.
S's would not be nearly as witty
P's wouldn't be as decisive with their judgments
I give Simon 'I' over 'E' because you can just tell while watching him that he's in his own world while listening to the performer.
I always imagined Ramsey to be an ISTJ or ESTJ. Same for Cowell. The former reminds me of a hyper-aggressive version of my nitpicking ISTJ father.
uncon
04-24-2009, 06:00 AM
ENTJ.
+1. Not an I at all.
You're going to be hard pressed to find many INTJ's in the media as stars. It's just not in our nature for the most part although we exist in the less narcissistic performing arts like music and in the background among screenwriters and playwrights (a LOT of the writers actually), etc. INTJ's are a particularly artistic type (I think INFJ is the classic artist type) but just not among actors for obvious reasons. I don't even think that House guy is one. He seems to always be trying to vye for attention in the "aren't I twisted" sort of way - annoying E.
That guy that plays Captain Pickard is about the only INTJ I can think of right now although his I is very mild.
raz1337
04-26-2009, 07:02 AM
His responses are too witty for an ISTJ. At least, that's from my own experience. I tend to filter what I say to other people, and I'm 100% sure I'm a thinker. Most of the time, I filter what I say not because it will hurt the other person's feelings, but because as an SJ, I think of the possible trouble that might ensue from such a comment. Do I want to deal with the consequences of that comment? No, so I won't say it. It's not always about the feelings.
I'm leaning toward INTJ for him. I agree with the person who said he formulates his opinions as they perform. Isn't Paula ISFP or something?
Shorgenfunkel
04-26-2009, 11:53 AM
I tend to filter what I say to other people, and I'm 100% sure I'm a thinker. Most of the time, I filter what I say not because it will hurt the other person's feelings, but because as an SJ, I think of the possible trouble that might ensue from such a comment. Do I want to deal with the consequences of that comment? No, so I won't say it.
This seems like more of a TJ thing than an SJ thing.
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