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sam988
03-22-2008, 12:29 PM
I'm kinda new here, and i'm sure this subject has been brought up already but i haven't found it.
So i was wondering the why of this piercing look that most of us INTJs share. I've come out with a theory and i would like your opinions on this.
Maybe we have this look because we are, when interacting with others, constantly judging them and analyzing them and their reactions, which makes us kind of "forget" about us and, i.e., about caring to show a more friendly face or body language.
One example is that with most people i don't know and that i talk to, i usually stare directly at their eyes, but of course i don't try to intimidate them, it's just that i'm kinda analyzing them, and they will inevitable avoid an eye contact that lasts more than one or two seconds with me most of the time.
So what do you guys think? I want some opinions here.
pinkroger
03-22-2008, 02:14 PM
I know that I have three faces that people see often -
1. The bland, every day face that means I'm in my own thoughts
2. The "I hate you worse than God himself" look, that means I would very much like to kill you
3. The laughing look that says I'm either laughing at you, or at someone else
And then there are crosses between them.
lordrrr
03-22-2008, 02:26 PM
We have piercing looks because we are determined. It's hard to think deep without looking that way. It also makes you come off less friendly so people don't mistake your smile for being happy to see them and have them approach you for a little small talk. Thus it keeps people away from bugging us with their petty needs.
eMachine
03-22-2008, 03:05 PM
I always try to pay attention to people when they're talking to me, so I look directly at them and try to understand what they're saying, analyze whether it makes sense or not, what their motives are, speculate about why they think what they do. I guess direct eye contact also makes it more difficult for someone to bullshit me.
At the same time though, I tend to look away when I'm doing the talking, my eyes tend to dart around. I think it's because I'm more concerned about verbalizing myself clearly, rather than paying attention to their expression/body language upon hearing my statements.
vaguely dissatisfied
03-23-2008, 06:24 AM
I think it's because we are usually thinking and analyzing and are not concerned enough with making others feel comfortable.
Alcuin
03-23-2008, 07:45 AM
I'm concentrating or lost in thought. :) Nothing nefarious, I promise.
Motor Jax
03-23-2008, 07:56 AM
i usually just stare right back anyways
and then start making faces at them
well, at anyone who looks like they are staring anyways
:freak:
malefide
03-23-2008, 08:38 AM
I'm constantly being told that I'm "glaring" at people when I honestly have no idea or intention of doing so. I would assume that it's because I'm lost in thought (which I often am) and kind of oblivious to the outside world and to how I may come across to other people at the moment.
schmidt
03-23-2008, 08:47 AM
I'm the exact opposite, people tend to ask me why I don't pay attention, it's generally because I focus on what they say and how they say it rather then what body language or face they have/make. I even look the other way when I listen to what people are saying just to not be distracted by the rest ...
Jgib5328
03-23-2008, 11:21 AM
It's just apart of my default facial expression. An expressionless face, with intense eyes. It probably just has did do with our personality. We aren't expressive human beings, but we are intense. It probably also has to do with our incredible focus too.
dandylion
03-23-2008, 11:30 AM
I agree with what most people have written so far, so I will not reiterate. But I must say that I sometimes use the stare for personal enjoyment, to intimidate or make others (who I don't like) feel uncomfortable. For instance, I sit in the front row of my English class, so I'm always right in my teacher's face. I don't like her, and she doesn't seem to like me either. I like to look as though I'm scrutinizing her. I can see the uneasiness in her eyes.
denaria
03-23-2008, 01:17 PM
My kids call it my "evil eye"....
Haphazard
03-23-2008, 01:25 PM
My kids call it my "evil eye"....
I have an 'evil eye' too. When I'm talking about something I enjoy I can get very animated but otherwise I'm blank. I've been told at times that I look very intense, but I have very soft features so it's never been called, well, piercing.
RunAmuck
03-23-2008, 01:35 PM
I have been told that I have "driven intensity" in my stare. Whatever.
My dad used stare at a portion of a persons face just for fun.
If he was talking to someone, he might stare at their forehead, cheek, or chin and get a puzzled look on his face all to see if he could make them brush their hand across that spot to see if there was a piece of food or something.
Cuivienen
03-23-2008, 01:46 PM
It's just apart of my default facial expression. An expressionless face, with intense eyes. It probably just has did do with our personality. We aren't expressive human beings, but we are intense.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Usually I make an effort not to look people in the eye too long at a time while talking to them. Sometimes I forget myself and do it anyway, to make out the other persons character. I really don`t understand most people I meet.
mxdntz
03-23-2008, 01:49 PM
Every time I read a INTJ description I laugh when I see
"Fellow workers of INTJs often feel as if the INTJ can see right through them"
We have built in bullshit meters and the look activates it.
thaddeus6th
03-23-2008, 02:15 PM
I have to confess the power of glaring can be very enjoyable. However, it seems to be almost a default setting: I once got asked by a maths teacher I was listening to why I was glaring at him (it was entirely accidental).
I suspect we glare because we're intense people with active minds. Many an airhead speaks in lieu of thinking and watches goggle-eyed as a guppy fish, whereas INTJs are more like peregrine falcons considering which pigeon to murder.
People do not consider my look glaring. My friend calls it "the void". He says it looks machine-like in its blandness, like my face.
Richard0612
03-23-2008, 03:27 PM
We have built in bullshit meters and the look activates it.
I certainly do, and when it goes off I drift off into my head to do something more interesting than listen to twaddle about how many shoes someone has, or which celebrity they fancy today. If they go on too long, then they get an earful. I have been told once or twice that I can be peaceful one moment, and then breathing fire the next when my 'crap-o-meter' reaches critical point!
Bluestocking
03-23-2008, 04:07 PM
I stare because I'm thinking deeply about something and have forgotten that I'm looking at. This usually results in someone thinking I am angry. Apparently I look foreboding. Of course sometimes I'm just plain scornful and that comes across loud and clear too, but usually I'm just living inside my head and am not aware of my surroundings.
Jenny Penny
03-25-2008, 10:46 AM
Wow, I get this all the time! It is kind of like my post where I asked if people get the "SMILE!" thrown at them all the time.
I am an overanalyzer and my eyes are very serious. Something interesting has to happen in the environment for me to get out of my head.
deepFlow
03-25-2008, 01:53 PM
Heh, once I hit puberty, that piercing glare kept me from getting fucked with by bullies anymore...
Nowadays I have to consciously dissolve the glare when trying to be more open and amiable, because it seems to be my own default "facial sitch" as well.
Provoker
03-25-2008, 02:44 PM
Wow, I get this all the time! It is kind of like my post where I asked if people get the "SMILE!" thrown at them all the time.
I get it all the time. At the same time my smile is like a diamond in the rough and I can attract any women when I smile. Unfortunately, my default facial expression is extremely intense. When I think (which is always) it produces a serious and focused facial expression. I wish I could hold everything else constant, and still think and analyze, but not have a facial expression that constantly makes people uneasy. Incidentally, I like huge crowds or socializing with very close friends that I have a rapport with...everything inbetween is a source for tension and uneasiness, although I have been reversing this trend lately by increasing my 'extraversion/feeling' dials by a few notches.
HousesOfApollo
03-25-2008, 06:56 PM
I have sort of an angular face, and I get made fun of because of it. I don't know why my brow must furrow, and my lips must scowl. Perhaps it's because I look so unnatural when I make happy expressions. Whenever I make a piercing, cold, and judgmental expression I actually look less like a cold blooded killer than if I were to try to smile and be warm.
OneBadMother
03-25-2008, 09:36 PM
The piercing stare seems almost to be a trademark of an INTJ. My INTJ friend has a tendency to stare straight through people while contemplating something, with furrowed brow and focused eyes. I always figured that it was him thinking, since I knew that I never gave him cause to be particularly angry with me at those moments. :P The only real problem with the stare is that since I can clearly tell that he's in deep thought, I'm at a loss as to whether I should begin speaking and thus interrupt his thought. I'd ask him what he was thinking, but I get pretty annoyed when people ask me that myself. So conversation alone with an INTJ is difficult when you're naturally inclined towards chameleonhood. :P
Antares
03-26-2008, 12:34 AM
If it's a normal conversation, I keep a relaxed look and sometimes a blank look (which makes people wonder if I was listening at all). I would gaze at their face mildly. If we're joking around over nonsensical things, then I would perk up and listen with an interested expression and smirk if the situation calls. But if the conversation takes a turn I don't like, I would start looking at them in their eyes all the while imagining my eyes were a match and I'm trying to scorch a hole through the person. I think it tells them: "Go on, say what's on your mind. Go on, say I'm immoral and a liar or whatever you wanted to say. Let's see how pretty you'll become after this." They'd blush and try to end the conversation right away.
Usually, when I don't want to talk to a person, I would use this look and an irate: "What do you want?"
zibber
03-26-2008, 02:54 AM
I LOVE this place!
I get a lot of flack for appearing angry/displeased, especially from my girlfriend. I know where she's coming from, especially when I place myself in her shoes, but I'd love to get it through to her that it's meaningless. It has caused me to become self-conscious about it and learn that in social situations it's advisable to try and look sympathetic and cheerful, or at least conform to the norm (ie. chameleonhood). It's so hard, though, since the serious expression is just my default and it means nothing. I may as well be thinking about what I'll eat that night. The big pro is appearing intelligent most of the time, no matter how trivial my particular line of thought may be (to me).
Dandylion, I recognize that! Last week I was attending a seminar (on 17th century Dutch art) with some presentations from fellow students, and since I have a hard time focusing on the content of poor presentations I decided to just have fun and really stare at some of the speakers to try and make them falter. It's terrible, but my only other option was doodling!
TheLastMohican
03-26-2008, 07:44 AM
I'd like to see some photos of the intense glares. Anyone willing to post?
lordrrr
03-26-2008, 07:47 AM
I'd like to see some photos of the intense glares. Anyone willing to post?
When I finally post a pic of myself I'll make sure it's a piercing look.
TheLastMohican
03-26-2008, 07:52 AM
When I finally post a pic of myself I'll make sure it's a piercing look.
Thanks.
What amazes me is that this intense glare seems so common in INTJ's. So many people just do not have that "look," or it looks comical when they try. So what's up here? Do INTJ's have inherently "angrier" eyebrows or what?
(I am yet another INTJ who has received comments on his glare. Actually people tend to think that I am glaring when I am just neutral or in deep thought.)
DeadSpace
03-26-2008, 08:26 AM
Piercing...yea, angry looking even, think it's just focus, everything gets a going over, if not externally, it's happening internally. Always thinking...leaves little time for playing facial expression games for social acceptance. Can be done...just detracts from thinking time...decisions, decisions...
hmmm, mayhap face mirrors the intensity of the thoughts within.
lordrrr
03-26-2008, 03:55 PM
Thanks.
What amazes me is that this intense glare seems so common in INTJ's. So many people just do not have that "look," or it looks comical when they try. So what's up here? Do INTJ's have inherently "angrier" eyebrows or what?
(I am yet another INTJ who has received comments on his glare. Actually people tend to think that I am glaring when I am just neutral or in deep thought.)
You're in a world that's not fit for this one. Your mind has warped into so many different possibilities that it's totally normal to seem completely aloof from the real world. You have lost all care for how people judge you because the world you have mentally transported to doesn't care about that as it's an illogical thing to think about, and this new world you are in is all about being logical, rational, and creative. Thus you have no capacity to care what others think. Thus you don't care how you're appearance is in terms of how you glare. Also, glaring just plain helps one think harder, and when you're in that other world you need all the help you can get to comprehend what your mind is telling you.
TheLastMohican
03-26-2008, 09:20 PM
You're in a world that's not fit for this one. Your mind has warped into so many different possibilities that it's totally normal to seem completely aloof from the real world. You have lost all care for how people judge you because the world you have mentally transported to doesn't care about that as it's an illogical thing to think about, and this new world you are in is all about being logical, rational, and creative. Thus you have no capacity to care what others think. Thus you don't care how you're appearance is in terms of how you glare. Also, glaring just plain helps one think harder, and when you're in that other world you need all the help you can get to comprehend what your mind is telling you.
Where did all that come from?
lordrrr
03-26-2008, 09:30 PM
Where did all that come from?
Your MBTI personality.
TheLastMohican
03-26-2008, 09:31 PM
Your MBTI personality.
Haha. At first I was thinking how unlike you that post sounded. :laugh:
lordrrr
03-26-2008, 09:44 PM
Haha. At first I was thinking how unlike you that post sounded. :laugh:
Oh, that, that was all from me. I was just explaining to you that question you asked.
TheLastMohican
03-26-2008, 09:51 PM
Oh, that, that was all from me. I was just explaining to you that question you asked.
But like I said, a lot of people just do not have the "glaring" kind of face. There is something about the facial structure that makes you much more likely to look like you are angry or glaring. So do INTJ's tend to have a certain type of facial structure?
lordrrr
03-26-2008, 10:14 PM
But like I said, a lot of people just do not have the "glaring" kind of face. There is something about the facial structure that makes you much more likely to look like you are angry or glaring. So do INTJ's tend to have a certain type of facial structure?
This'll answer your question:
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Blacklustre King
03-26-2008, 11:52 PM
I believe it is called the evil eye and all INTJs seem to inherit it. I do it all the time, usually unconsciously. So superstitious are people of this piercing glare talisman and effigies are carved and created to ward it away.
My own mother used to ask me why I cast such scary looks.
Antares
03-27-2008, 12:27 AM
I'd like to see some photos of the intense glares. Anyone willing to post?
I do not glare upon demand.
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I'm the toddler in red. I don't think I'm glaring, but doing the usual INTJ 'emotionless' face. I don't know if I was INTJ back then though, but this is all I have at the moment.
This'll answer your question:
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But I thought INTj = INTP
Jgib5328
03-27-2008, 05:14 AM
I do not glare upon demand.
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I'm the toddler in red. I don't think I'm glaring, but doing the usual INTJ 'emotionless' face. I don't know if I was INTJ back then though, but this is all I have at the moment.
But I thought INTj = INTP
That's a very cute picture, and you are right, INTj=INTP & INTp=INTJ.
TheLastMohican
03-27-2008, 05:24 AM
I do not glare upon demand.
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I'm the toddler in red. I don't think I'm glaring, but doing the usual INTJ 'emotionless' face. I don't know if I was INTJ back then though, but this is all I have at the moment.
*stumbles back from threatening glare* Don't look at me like that!
TheLastMohican added to this post, 4 minutes and 41 seconds later...
This'll answer your question:
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I wonder how the personality types would have different facial structures. We are supposed to get our facial structures from our parents, so how are they affected by our personalities? Is there any evidence for this theory? The only cases I know of in which the brain function is reflected in the face is when the person has a kind of mental disorder related to a genetic glitch that also causes the distinct face.
Is it possible that everybody's personality is a unique "mental disorder," with some being more abnormal than others?
Antares
03-27-2008, 06:08 AM
I wonder how the personality types would have different facial structures. We are supposed to get our facial structures from our parents, so how are they affected by our personalities? Is there any evidence for this theory? The only cases I know of in which the brain function is reflected in the face is when the person has a kind of mental disorder related to a genetic glitch that also causes the distinct face.
Well, put it this way; my mom's ISFJ, my dad's ENTP. I'm INTJ. Two preferences from both. Then my appearance is almost an exactly mix too.
TheLastMohican
03-27-2008, 06:11 AM
Well, put it this way; my mom's ISFJ, my dad's ENTP. I'm INTJ. Two preferences from both. Then my appearance is almost an exactly mix too.
So it works out for you. But what about an INTJ with ESTP father and an ESFJ mother? What happens then?
These are the kinds of deep questions that more INTJ's should set out to answer... ;)
Antares
03-27-2008, 06:16 AM
So it works out for you. But what about an INTJ with ESTP father and an ESFJ mother? What happens then?
These are the kinds of deep questions that more INTJ's should set out to answer... ;)
Haha. I was JK. But I really can't believe Socionics attempt to 'phototype' us. I mean, we can have a piercing look, but that doesn't mean others can't. It's that they don't usually their faces that way. My mom has a piercing look though. My dad's eyes are small and my mom's humongous. I'm not as good as she is. My classmate is not INTJ, but once she glared at somebody so hard that (the person took her usual seat) he gave it back.
*stumbles back from threatening glare* Don't look at me like that!
I look at you how I want, earthling! Maybe I should let you have your way though. Should I look at you like :lovestruck:?
TheLastMohican
03-27-2008, 06:34 AM
I look at you how I want, earthling! Maybe I should let you have your way though. Should I look at you like :lovestruck:?
Well, it would be a nice change from the flaming I've been putting up with...
Myrak
03-27-2008, 07:52 AM
I have the "glare" going on, but not as much as the lack of smiling. I often get pulled up about that. However, when I do smile, people tell me I look positively evil. Not a bad thing at all, but just shows people are never satisfied. ;)
I would glare more often, but my eyes usually drift around the place while I listen to people's mindless bullshit. But more often than not, if I'm engaged in a debate or discussion, my eyes will pierce their soul. Puts people off quite a bit, I've found.
I really should try just giving people a stoic dead-on glare when they're rambling about crap, maybe it'd make them shut up just a bit quicker? :)
Great thread guys!
PortInStorm
03-27-2008, 02:11 PM
Well, if it's anything like what your avatar's got going on... :lovestruck: ;)
Minerva
03-29-2008, 10:31 AM
So what do you guys think? I want some opinions here.
To me, INTJs tend to always be scanning their surroundings. It also seems apparent to me that your brains are built like an analyzer. The piercing look just means that you are fixated, mentally, on whatever you are looking at simply because you have this drive to understand whatever you are faced with.
Your stare can be very intimidating to most people. Few others can be as intensely focused as an INTJ.
Danneh
03-29-2008, 10:40 AM
I have sort of an angular face, and I get made fun of because of it. I don't know why my brow must furrow, and my lips must scowl. Perhaps it's because I look so unnatural when I make happy expressions. Whenever I make a piercing, cold, and judgmental expression I actually look less like a cold blooded killer than if I were to try to smile and be warm.
My friend Micheal is like that.
Personally, I have two types of glares, one that I actually mean to do, and the one that I do when I'm lost in thought. The first one has been dubbed as 'the Evil Eye' by my school mates, and has made even one of my older professors back away from me. The Evil Eye is only used when I think other people are being morons though, or when they don't seem to understand what personal space is.
The other glare, is much like what the others are talking about, where it's what others see when I'm analyzing something. Whether it be a person, or a problem in my book.
HousesOfApollo
03-29-2008, 06:50 PM
My friend Micheal is like that.
Personally, I have two types of glares, one that I actually mean to do, and the one that I do when I'm lost in thought. The first one has been dubbed as 'the Evil Eye' by my school mates, and has made even one of my older professors back away from me. The Evil Eye is only used when I think other people are being morons though, or when they don't seem to understand what personal space is.
The other glare, is much like what the others are talking about, where it's what others see when I'm analyzing something. Whether it be a person, or a problem in my book.
I think that I naturally just make that "Evil Eye" expression to let others know that -- at least for me -- this is not a party, it is not a disco, and I am most certainly not fooling around. [I couldn't help paraphrasing the Talking Heads. Of course, I had to correct the grammar of the lyrics as best I could.]
We use expressions to communicate our emotions to other people. So I suppose that serious people are going to have the most serious of expressions. :angry:.
AliciaS2R
03-29-2008, 07:00 PM
I always try to pay attention to people when they're talking to me, so I look directly at them and try to understand what they're saying, analyze whether it makes sense or not, what their motives are, speculate about why they think what they do. I guess direct eye contact also makes it more difficult for someone to bullshit me.
At the same time though, I tend to look away when I'm doing the talking, my eyes tend to dart around. I think it's because I'm more concerned about verbalizing myself clearly, rather than paying attention to their expression/body language upon hearing my statements.
I find myself looking away when I am under pressure to get the right words out so that I convey my message clearly. I also have a habit of repeating or rephasing something I have said to make sure it is understood. One day my adult daughter said to me "Why do you repeat yourself, do you think I am stupid?" I told her "No, I just have to make sure I am understood and sometimes when it doesn't sound clear to me I will rephase it" Hope she understood that. ha
Alaron251
03-29-2008, 07:20 PM
As other people have said. Possibly because we are checking our brain for patterns in there speech. I usually can determine what kind of a person someone is through only a small conversation. I also think of what to say that would impact the person heavier than just something like "Yeah". Most of my friends are extroverted however, and I suppose I've 'learned' off of them to be more forward. So I'm also usually straight to the point - Which leads back to me initial point, we're just thinkin' and analyzing to really visualize a persons body language. But that's just me.
Darkmist
03-29-2008, 07:24 PM
According to my husband, I 'gift' him with a death stare when to me I'm just shifting thought process from one point to analyzing something that caught me on what he said. I also have noticed that I stare at people and usually it is from sudden interest or once again analyzing a situation or conversation, usually with regards to me or something that catches my interest.
Or I'm very angry and the death stare means "don't mess with me."
Iveyrockstar
03-30-2008, 03:18 AM
Some of the greatest minds in history have had the propensity of displaying a facial expression indicative of deep thought and contemplation. I have a simple answer: Most INTJ's are in a state of deep thought and contemplation more than other personality types. It's not a bad thing. Ever seen Beethoven?
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quest ion
03-30-2008, 05:23 AM
I suppose I just feel more at ease when I do this. I know it's weird and I'm clueless about why I'm like that.
Szarra
03-30-2008, 02:06 PM
My husband often has this intense stare. I've learned to read most of the very subtle shifts in his expression. I often have people ask me, "Is he angry about something?". To which I innocently reply, "Of course not! Why do you ask?".
bookwormuk
04-01-2008, 09:50 AM
Yup, I have that problem too. In my previous job I found it really hard not to have the 'you are such an idiot' expression permanently on my face.
errrzarrr
04-01-2008, 01:23 PM
Some of the greatest minds in history have had the propensity of displaying a facial expression indicative of deep thought and contemplation. I have a simple answer: Most INTJ's are in a state of deep thought and contemplation more than other personality types. It's not a bad thing. Ever seen Beethoven?
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Uh. you are Right, I bet Beto was INTJ.
... Look this girl. She is a Singer born on Spain, raised in mexico. She is INTJ and she has that Piercing look.
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bookwormuk
04-01-2008, 07:00 PM
I find myself looking away when I am under pressure to get the right words out so that I convey my message clearly. I also have a habit of repeating or rephasing something I have said to make sure it is understood.
I have that problem too. I often find that my Mum doesn't necessarily get the gist of what I am saying, so I rephrase it. Of course she then gets angry that I am repeating myself and I get annoyed because she still doesn't get what I am trying to explain. A delightful vicious circle. ;)
bluenote
04-04-2008, 09:32 AM
Oh I have the whole blank look that people always tell me is very rude or I would be thinking then someone would ask me why I’m staring. Strange thing is I wouldn’t have even noticed that the person was there if they hadn’t spoken:stunned:! Seems it’s a natural personality trait of INTJ. I think people are frightened tha we’d turn into some kind of psycho and start shooting people or something:laugh:.
lordrrr
04-06-2008, 01:42 AM
All I heard on my mission trip was "What's wrong?" or "That look you're giving me is disrespectful" and I wasn't even paying attention.
suzyk
04-06-2008, 09:52 AM
I raise my eyebrow, or I just stare at them blankly. It works.
green eyes
04-06-2008, 02:49 PM
An INTJ cat....
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Richard0612
04-06-2008, 03:19 PM
An INTJ cat....
There's a case for all cats being INTJ!
Iveyrockstar
04-07-2008, 05:57 PM
She's very beautiful... Sorry if I'm supposed to recognize her or something... She looks famous, but I dont think I've ever seen her before.
merid
04-08-2008, 04:26 AM
I don't know that I am doing anything. A guy that I work with (at a supermarket) delighted in telling me that someone had said "he said if you look at him the way you do outside of work he will batter the f**k out of you." I honestly don't see why looking is a problem.
lordrrr
04-08-2008, 09:49 AM
I think it's absolutely ridiculous this look is affecting our lives. Some of you are getting fired and threatened for this. It's ridiculous. It's just a look, damn people lighten up.
merid
04-10-2008, 06:41 AM
It's ridiculous. It's just a look, damn people lighten up.
It is just a look to us but no one knows what goes on in our heads behind the look. Not everyone has the same level of detachment for what other people think.
enfpchick
04-10-2008, 09:51 AM
That look scares me :stunned:
TheLastMohican
04-10-2008, 10:04 AM
That look scares me :stunned:
Don't worry. It's just normal for us.
I stare at people because my brain doesn't want to waste energy making facial expressions that match what is being said. I have learned to concentrate on looking like I'm listening to keep others happy, but this just distracts me from the conversation...
NewToWorld
04-10-2008, 07:37 PM
But like I said, a lot of people just do not have the "glaring" kind of face. There is something about the facial structure that makes you much more likely to look like you are angry or glaring. So do INTJ's tend to have a certain type of facial structure?
I don't think so, as a teenager who looked physically so much like my sisters (small, blond pretty all with the same large dark eyes and very battable eyelashes) that one photo at the same age would do for all of us, I was the only one who was accused of having "the look." May explain why they were popular and I was not.
Also my INFP spouse, who is part american indian and has a dark, heavily boned face with fierce eyebrows and a large threatening physique somehow manages to look plump, pink and benevolent.
Grizzly
04-11-2008, 03:14 AM
Ive had numerous people inform me about the glare.
My theory on it being that its the way we show we are focused entirely on that person or what they are saying.
Not necessarily that we are analyzing and judging every facet of that person.
Though I have been told "the glare" makes me look like a serial killer sizing up a meat puppet
thephoenix1414
06-11-2008, 01:29 PM
My look is quite famous at school. My friends all know about it, and my teachers even talk about it. The ones who know me well, laugh about it. And for you INTJ's who are having problems with the look, just use it on someone right after they tell a good joke, watch their face blanche and then burst out in maniacal laughter afterword. Eventually they realize that you are joking.
And all other mbti types: If you receive the pleasure of the "look" take it as a compliment that we are being ourselves around you and feel comfortable enough to think properly in your presence. At least that's when I do it. Otherwise I have a sickeningly friendly facial expression that's more akin to an unstable psychopath.
azelismia
06-11-2008, 01:34 PM
people just think I am remarkably dour. I never smile and I have no sense of humour. it's best to stay out of my way or I am likely to incinerate with my eerie glare shot forth from two beady red eyes.
LionsPride
06-11-2008, 07:02 PM
I also share "the glare". It's actually the blank expression my face gives when all my thoughts are turned inwards. I think because I have blue eyes it makes the stare colder than it really is. I had no idea I had it until a couple of instances where the person who was talking got suddenly defensive because I gave them "the glare" when in actual fact my thoughts had wandered and I wasn't even thinking about them. Now that I'm aware of it, I try to not look someone in the eye when I'm in deep thought. I also add an artificial 'sparkle' to my eyes so they don't look so blank. Kind of like leaving a light on in a window so people think I'm still home.;)
Firebert
06-11-2008, 07:29 PM
I love to make my eyes go from 'soft' to 'hard' to make people stop in their tracks. My INFP girlfriend likes the stare though, she says she can tell how smart I am because it lives in my eyes. I've also been told it looks like I have a bit of a challenge in my look whenever I'm around less intelligent people
Caucus
08-09-2008, 12:45 AM
I often get told to smile or to stop frowning. I've also been told I have a certain intense stare that makes people feel uncomfortable. It's unintentional. I guess I like to observe all my surroundings (when not totally focused on something). I tend to look directly into people's eyes while talking to them, trying to gauge the "real" response behind their words.
Sometimes I look completely blank, like I'm in another world - usually my mind has wandered and I'm thinking about something intensely.
The "look" can also signify a strong determination to complete a task..
bladeserver
08-09-2008, 05:37 AM
I have read many threads on this forum amd this one is unique in the fact that I actually agree with the overwhelming majority. I do, apparently have the INTJ stare although my children called it the "look". It seems to be my default face and I often get admonitions to cheer up or "smile it isn't the end of the world". In reality, as is true for most of you, I'm just deep in thought and when that happens (frequently) my surroundings disappear. I suppose I do need a sign which says "Blade is not currently at home. Be back after deep thought. Please leave a message"
Antares
08-09-2008, 08:59 PM
people just think I am remarkably dour. I never smile and I have no sense of humour. it's best to stay out of my way or I am likely to incinerate with my eerie glare shot forth from two beady red eyes.
People don't think mine is considered a 'sense of humor' since they usually have to do with morbid affairs or insulting people with wit. I still can't glare, but I can be very cold and biting. I guess that makes up for the lack of glaring skills.
I also share "the glare". It's actually the blank expression my face gives when all my thoughts are turned inwards. I think because I have blue eyes it makes the stare colder than it really is. I had no idea I had it until a couple of instances where the person who was talking got suddenly defensive because I gave them "the glare" when in actual fact my thoughts had wandered and I wasn't even thinking about them. Now that I'm aware of it, I try to not look someone in the eye when I'm in deep thought. I also add an artificial 'sparkle' to my eyes so they don't look so blank. Kind of like leaving a light on in a window so people think I'm still home.;)
I like glares from pseudo-onyx eyes, as well as very light eyes. Like you said, blue or silver blue eyes make the temperature drop an extra few degrees; honey-colored or warm chocolate brown are just too... warm... The brilliantly colored eyes are just too bright. What makes a glare from very dark eyes scary is that they're so murky you can't read anything from them. You can't see the pupil and it just seems lifeless, like the eye of a shark (I always found them horrifying empty); a void. Sometimes they may seem inhuman.
NephilimAzrael
08-09-2008, 11:56 PM
Only when someone is about to get hell.
Seppuku Savant
08-10-2008, 12:59 AM
Piercing look? That's just glass in my eye.
Actually, people think I'm mad or unhappy all the time. It's just how my face looks. I'm generally not feeling anything at all.
NHere
08-10-2008, 01:00 AM
Yup, definitely have the look. Have some photographic evidence of it too. My (guy) friends have reported fear of "the eye."
I've got an entire repertoire, from "not here right now-let sleeping dogs lie" to "don't you dare try to f* with me."
The funny thing is I seem to have some very subtle control over the degrees of it. I've been observing this closely lately as we've been doing a large number of job interviews. When they are in English, I often lead with the questioning, when not, I'm a bit more passive. Yet, the interviewees never seem to be too intimidated by the directness of my eyes - despite them being (what I would think in a country of deep brown), a rather shocking blue. As eMachine said, I tend to look right at/through people to see if what they are saying matches with their facial/body language (I'm particularly dependent on this skill in multi-lingual situations where people may unintentionally say what they *don't* mean). Yet, people, even in non-eye contact friendly cultures, oddly don't seem put off by this. Instead, they are direct and honest.
I use my eyes a lot. I can use sunglasses as anonymity tool, but I prefer not to have anything blocking my gaze. It keeps people honest (exactly mxdntz) - but at the same time, I can keep it friendly.
That said, deepFlow has something too - in all my time out and about, I've never (or rarely) been messed with. I think it's because my "look" keeps them at bay. I can go from "open" to "ice" in 0.000006 milliseconds. It's been the greatest tool I've ever learned to master. But "default" still tends to be a rather intimidating "skeptic."
The power of it still scares me.
SmileyMan
08-10-2008, 08:43 AM
What makes a glare from very dark eyes scary is that they're so murky you can't read anything from them. You can't see the pupil and it just seems lifeless, like the eye of a shark.
My parents have told me that my eyes turn completely dark when I'm infuriated. I think that's what you've described there.
Actually, people think I'm mad or unhappy all the time. It's just how my face looks. I'm generally not feeling anything at all.
Same here. People used to ask me if I was mad all the time. I have also been called stoic many times. I make a concentrated effort to smile now and it's amazing how differently people react to me.
I have the look too. I have had people tell me that I scare them. Me scary? Preposterous. I wouldn't hurt a fly. Although, the look does come in handy with misbehaving children.
xtremegeek
08-11-2008, 08:01 PM
Piercing look...guilty as charged. I truly have that look about me which says, "I see right through you and I'm not impressed." I wish I could do away with that look.
True Rune
08-11-2008, 08:56 PM
I don't know if I have it, really. I do tend to "look" a certain way when I focus, but it doesn't earn me comments, and people don't analyze how I act usually. Awhile back people did tell me to start smiling though.
White Raven
08-13-2008, 09:48 AM
Unfortunately my "piercing stare" just makes me look like I'm in pain. Unfailingly, when I'm deep in thought, someone will come up to me, gently touch my shoulder, and ask, "are you all right? are you sick? do you have a headache?"
No. Leave me alooneee. "Oh, no, I was just thinking."
I wish I had a scary stare. Apparently I'm too...'cute.'
Wufnu
08-24-2008, 07:21 AM
I don't know what you people are talking about.
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Acextreme
08-24-2008, 12:00 PM
Haha, that peircing look. I didn't even know I have it. That explains why I seem to have this aura around me capable of silencing and immobilizing my extroverted classmates 'dancing' around from table to table talking to everyone when I walked down the aisle of my classroom. They just automatically make way for me and was quiet when I walked past them, almost like they are fearing me; I could almost sense that fear in them. Hilarious... :)
enWTFp
08-25-2008, 02:44 PM
How your "neighbour" types' eyes look:
ENTJ - cold, dead cold; lips may smile a little, but the eyes say: "you. are. dead. now."
INFJ - mooooooving around like crazy, you cannot catch them, like electrons, they simply never are where they are; amazing and beautiful; it can be scary if they suddenly stop and look directly at you, but they never do
INTP - the most frightening fixed eyes you'll ever see; they go through you as if you do not exist at all, as if they are actually blind; resembles fish; stone cold, similar to ENTJ, but without the hidden aggression, without any emotion at all, which be assured is *scary*
ISTJ - fixed, emotionless, somehow empty, not particularly expressive though, you may not even notice them sometimes, not much of intensity; calm
INTJ - they have the best eyes, hands down; a mixture of curiosity, determination, wisdom, courage; a little goofy, yet serious behind it; "A joke's a very serious thing" as the good old Sir Churchill says; these eyes have charm that none of the above have: charm that is attractive and scary at the same time; they are like "yes, come play with us; we won't kill you; not right away"
(and if those happen to be the eyes of a hungarian brunette you're pretty much gone)
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