ACORN surrenders Ohio business license

[Angel1]

ACORN has surrendered their Ohio business licenses and agreed not to return to Ohio under any name in a court settlement with The Buckeye Institute's 1851 Center for Constitutional Law. The Buckeye Institute alleged that ACORN's activities amounted to organized crime.

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[Dodeca]

ACORN has surrendered their Ohio business licenses and agreed not to return to Ohio under any name in a court settlement with The Buckeye Institute's 1851 Center for Constitutional Law. The Buckeye Institute alleged that ACORN's activities amounted to organized crime.

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ACORN is just a fingernail in the left right paradigm. Its ashame many people still think the main problem in america is the opposite party when its really political bias that allows them to see no flaws in there ideology. Crime is crime left or right.

[Angel1]

ACORN is just a fingernail in the left right paradigm. Its ashame many people still think the main problem in america is the opposite party when its really political bias that allows them to see no flaws in there ideology. Crime is crime left or right.
I think that this is a good thing for a Ohio and Ohio politics. Whether the take down of organized political crime is on the left or the right, it benefits all politics.

[Warrior]

Crime is crime left or right.

This is true. Regardless of which "side" the crime was on, the fact that the organization has been punished is a good thing. I think this is a positive step in Ohio.

[Mader]

Did they leave? or just reorganize under a new name?

[Angel1]

Did they leave? or just reorganize under a new name?
Apparently the deal they made prevents them from reorganizing under a new name. They cannot operate in Ohio.

[Ray9]

No one seems too overly concerned about the chosen one and his connection to this gangster organization.


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[larkin]

Anyone want to offer any idea what's so wrong with voter registration drives? Anyone?

And if your answer has anything to do with fraudster James O'Keefe (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), I would suggest you try again (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. on_how_to_hide_money_from_prostit.html#ixzz0gxpib9 Cn). (What do you mean, "he edited the tape to meet his agenda"? Shocking!)

They drove a non-profit out of business in the state by threatening to sue. Awesome. Fewer people registered to vote. Congratulations.

[jm123]

There is no issue with voter registration drives. The issue is when there is organized fraud. That was what the lawsuit was about.

Evidently Acorn felt that all issues in Ohio were fixed, as they were already planing on leaving the state forever. They said that they were innocent and just signed the settlement so they would not have to pay any litigation fees. So, I assume they had accomplished all of their non-profit goals in Ohio anyway.

[larkin]

FYI - even if an organization in charge of a voter registration drive receives registrations they know to be fraudulent, they are required by law to submit them to the state registrar. It is illegal for any organization outside of the state to make the determination of fraud, for obvious reasons.

[jm123]

FYI - even if an organization in charge of a voter registration drive receives registrations they know to be fraudulent, they are required by law to submit them to the state registrar. It is illegal for any organization outside of the state to make the determination of fraud, for obvious reasons.

Unless of course the fraud is perpetrated by it's own employees. Acorn's employees were committing the fraud, in many of the cases.

[Angel1]

Anyone want to offer any idea what's so wrong with voter registration drives? Anyone?

And if your answer has anything to do with fraudster James O'Keefe (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), I would suggest you try again (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. on_how_to_hide_money_from_prostit.html#ixzz0gxpib9 Cn). (What do you mean, "he edited the tape to meet his agenda"? Shocking!)

They drove a non-profit out of business in the state by threatening to sue. Awesome. Fewer people registered to vote. Congratulations.
They drove a criminal enterprise out of Ohio. The Buckeye Institute didn't threaten to sue...they did sue. President Obama and his cronies need to stop protecting ACORN and let the FBI (and/or any other government agency) follow their investigations to the end. Wait, hold that thought; I may have been hasty, afterall convicting Obama in the Court of Public Opinion might just be a bigger win than just taking down ACORN. *thinks about it* Nah, can't play politics with the most fundamental of all rights in a democratically controlled republic...the right to a fair and equal vote. By the way, it's not just the Republican controlled states targetting ACORN for investigations and court cases, Nevada's effort is under a Democratic Attorney General. This isn't political bias; this is anti-criminal bias and that is exactly what we pay our prosecutors and police for. They are suppose to be biased against criminals; they are suppose to sniff out corruption and criminal activities; they are suppose to protect our rights, including the right to a fair and equal vote. The fact that ACORN keeps coming up for investigation is their own fault.

[larkin]

Even employees submitting deliberately falsified records should be considered criminal behavior on the part of the employees, only examples of bad management on the part of the employer. While bad management is not something I'm generally in favor of, it's certainly not worth the time and attention it's gotten in the press or here. And not the crusade-level attention it's gotten on the Republican side of the aisle. You're right, voter registration fraud shouldn't be about politics, but suddenly it is.

The truth is, while voter registration fraud might be relatively easy, voter fraud is not. The number of successfully prosecuted voter fraud cases in the past twenty years you could count on your hands. And that's not for a lack of really, really trying.

So a few of these people might be idiots, trying to get paid more by registering more fake voters. Those fake voters still can't actually vote - no one named "Mickey Mouse" shows up to the polls. Bad organization and bad management is not uncommon for a non-profit and frankly for-profits. Organized vote fraud scheme? Only in the most fevered imaginations. Unfortunately those imaginations get a lot of airtime on some networks.

[Angel1]

Organized vote fraud scheme? Only in the most fevered imaginations. Unfortunately those imaginations get a lot of airtime on some networks.
Unfortunately, that just may not be true. Honestly, I'd like to find out how deep and how bad the criminal activities going on at ACORN are. Meddlesome politicians, however, might not want to reveal all the secrets that ACORN keeps. Of course, that just makes me wonder what the politicians want to hide; it certainly appears that they have something to hide. I challenge President Obama and his cronies to prove me wrong: Let the federal investigations run to their natural ends and let the investigators report their finding directly to their real bosses...the American citizens and people. Let the states run their investigations without pressure from you or anyone else to stop until the state investigators and state officials are satisfied. All I really ask is that people allow the police and prosecutors to do their jobs without interference. Thus far, that's been a little too much to ask.

[zibber]

Anyone want to offer any idea what's so wrong with voter registration drives? Anyone?

And if your answer has anything to do with fraudster James O'Keefe (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), I would suggest you try again (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. on_how_to_hide_money_from_prostit.html#ixzz0gxpib9 Cn). (What do you mean, "he edited the tape to meet his agenda"? Shocking!)

They drove a non-profit out of business in the state by threatening to sue. Awesome. Fewer people registered to vote. Congratulations.

AMEN.

They drove a criminal enterprise out of Ohio. The Buckeye Institute didn't threaten to sue...they did sue. President Obama and his cronies need to stop protecting ACORN and let the FBI (and/or any other government agency) follow their investigations to the end. Wait, hold that thought; I may have been hasty, afterall convicting Obama in the Court of Public Opinion might just be a bigger win than just taking down ACORN. *thinks about it* Nah, can't play politics with the most fundamental of all rights in a democratically controlled republic...the right to a fair and equal vote. By the way, it's not just the Republican controlled states targetting ACORN for investigations and court cases, Nevada's effort is under a Democratic Attorney General. This isn't political bias; this is anti-criminal bias and that is exactly what we pay our prosecutors and police for. They are suppose to be biased against criminals; they are suppose to sniff out corruption and criminal activities; they are suppose to protect our rights, including the right to a fair and equal vote. The fact that ACORN keeps coming up for investigation is their own fault.

Come on, man. "Their fault"? The GOP has an immense smear machine. This is just part of that. This is just like the madrassa bullshit, the Hussein bullshit, the birth certificate bullshit and the Jeremiah Wright bullshit.

(Hell, they had me thinking something was wrong with Jeremiah Wright. All the guy did was quote Malcolm.)

[larkin]

Unfortunately, that just may not be true. Honestly, I'd like to find out how deep and how bad the criminal activities going on at ACORN are. Meddlesome politicians, however, might not want to reveal all the secrets that ACORN keeps. Of course, that just makes me wonder what the politicians want to hide; it certainly appears that they have something to hide. I challenge President Obama and his cronies to prove me wrong: Let the federal investigations run to their natural ends and let the investigators report their finding directly to their real bosses...the American citizens and people. Let the states run their investigations without pressure from you or anyone else to stop until the state investigators and state officials are satisfied. All I really ask is that people allow the police and prosecutors to do their jobs without interference. Thus far, that's been a little too much to ask.

No slam on what you'd "like to find out" (I'd like to find out that Pat Robertson has had a string of illicit homosexual affairs, and deeply believe it's only a matter of time), but care to offer any evidence at all of a.) organized vote fraud, rather than voter registration fraud, or b.) that anyone has interfered with criminal investigations into vote fraud?

Of course not. Back in reality, the exact opposite is true: the ones who were interfering were pushing vote fraud investigations over the recommendations of prosecutors, even Republican prosecutors (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). And the most recent documented case of vote fraud was actually a Republican campaign aide (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). (I love it when the irony is written into the story for me.)

This is basically straight-up conspiracy theory bullshit retrofitted to meet an agenda. Want your quid pro quo - I think it's equally ridiculous when Democrats complain about Diebold voting machines. Skepticism is generally a good approach to have with conspiracy theories until proven otherwise. A bad strategy: talking about what "may be true."

Republicans hate voter registration drives because the people that get registered are more likely to vote Democratic. End of story here.

[Ray9]

Republicans hate voter registration drives because the people that get registered are more likely to vote Democratic. End of story here.


No question about it. Dead people vote Democratic every time.

[larkin]

No question about it. Dead people vote Democratic every time.

Do you ever offer any evidence to support the things you post? Do you suppose your aversion to doing it is nature or nurture?

I mean, I could say that people who vote twice are Republican political operatives and it would be better sourced than that.

[LaoTzu]

It's so goddam sad to see 'patriotic' repugnicans bluster their way through another rant about ACORN without looking into voting machines.


Don Siegelman ring a bell for you? Nah, I didn't think so....


Continue to lie to yourselves that it's all a Democratic plot.


You make me sick.

[Yhor]

It's so goddam sad to see 'patriotic' repugnicans bluster their way through another rant about ACORN without looking into voting machines.


Don Siegelman ring a bell for you? Nah, I didn't think so....


Continue to lie to yourselves that it's all a Democratic plot.


You make me sick.

For those of us who vote strictly on issues, and forego the fucking party politics, both parties are sickening. There are few real choices unless you have such polarizing views on both ends of liberty's socio-economic scale. Everyone (in power/seeking power) has an agenda that contradicts their platform, fucking hypocrites, if you're looking at it from the perspective of preserving the few liberties that we have left.

The point? The plot is agenda driven. Not solely by either party in particular, but by corrupted douchebags who play the citizens of this nation in a game of who wins. No one wins except those who play their games of division.

Acorn accepted defeat. They fucked up, they admit it. Whether it be a corporate conspiracy, or a gross disregard in hiring practices, they are done (in Ohio). If you can't accept it, as they have done their selves, then you might need some help from someone qualified to help.

[Ray9]

Do you ever offer any evidence to support the things you post? Do you suppose your aversion to doing it is nature or nurture?


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[larkin]

Unsurprising that you would link to pajamas media, fer chrissakes. Also unsurprising is the ongoing confusion between voter registration fraud and voter fraud. Your links (and the folks with pitchforks out for ACORN) quite purposely conflate the two terms as much as possible to make it look like someone is successfully gaming an election, and undermine confidence in election results should the other side win. Stay classy.

Here's the classic paragraph from the crap links you give, incorrect information in italics. She was actually convicted of lying to a grand jury, but even so, it was a voter registration fraud case:

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

Is this criminal? Absolutely. A bad employee, seeking to avoid their actual job? Yes. Vote fraud? No, for the thousandth time, it's voter registration fraud, no matter how many times it's purposely confused as such. The election wasn't affected at all; none of those "people" actually voted; the fraudulent forms were actually easily identified as such by the state registrar.

Still waiting on any evidence for voter fraud, aside from the example I gave.