Lost In Translation [Archive]

sms444

02-21-2010, 11:01 PM

I just finished rewatching this movie, one of my favorites, and I was wondering if other INTJ types enjoyed it as well. I know a lot of people who absolutely hated this movie and thought it was boring/hard to get into, but they mostly have very different personalities than I do.

Four

02-21-2010, 11:08 PM

Yes, my g/f didn't like it at all at the time if I remember correctly or someone I was with. I liked it. Billy Murray is the master of this kind of thing. Have you seen Broken Flower?

I should rewatch Lost in Translation also or Punk Drunk Love with Adam Sandler. You just have me thinking about related movies with that otherness quality.

Zodd

02-23-2010, 08:59 PM

Throughout the entire movie I was absolutely clueless, I couldn't make anything of everything that happened and what their relationship was about.

flower

02-24-2010, 09:20 PM

Throughout the entire movie I was absolutely clueless, I couldn't make anything of everything that happened and what their relationship was about.

me too.

I usually like movies no one likes and hate their moaning if we watch them together so I just watch movies alone if I suspect they won't like my pick.:blank:

Four

02-24-2010, 09:46 PM

I got the impression that she was a spark of intrigue for him. Is there a name for this? When a married man ends up liking a woman that he isn't going to cheat on his wife with or a married woman for that matter.

flower

02-24-2010, 10:18 PM

IMO I felt they had cheated in their minds when I saw it, but that's just me. It had allot of undertones and I usually like this type of movies, have no idea why this one was difrnt.

Zodd

02-24-2010, 10:50 PM

Four

02-24-2010, 10:58 PM

Weren't there flashbacks to his home life and relationship with his wife? I think I remember his either being dry/indifferent about it or completely bored.

eagleseven

02-25-2010, 01:13 AM

I loved the movie, even bought it, but I'm the only one I know who can enjoy it. Everyone mocks me for liking it, even my family!

mrStevens

02-25-2010, 03:57 AM

You know, I don't remember if I enjoyed it or not. Maybe I was indifferent. Now 'Punch Drunk Love' on the other hand was pretty fun to watch.

jcb

02-25-2010, 04:00 AM

i liked it also. another movie i enjoyed, related to the theme of this one (in another country, isolation, cultural differences etc) is Fear and Trembling.

Four

02-25-2010, 02:43 PM

You know, I don't remember if I enjoyed it or not. Maybe I was indifferent. Now 'Punch Drunk Love' on the other hand was pretty fun to watch.

Yeah, great movie. The pudding loophole(or was it jello?). It was brilliant. I also like it when Adam Sandler steps out his more comedic rules to play something new and refreshing like his character in Bulletproof. I wish I could still remember it. I vaguely remember the piano. I remember liking it and his character in it very much.

SimplyOtter

02-25-2010, 03:27 PM

Hobbesrevenge

02-25-2010, 03:50 PM

I saw Bill Murray as an INFP, Scarlett Johansonn as an INTP...
all the rest (particularly the blonde actress) as typical ES...

anybody agrees?

Really, Murray as an INFP and Johansonn as an INTP?

Explain?

Also I agree with your sentiments entirely Otter, anyone who disliked it was an ES.

SimplyOtter

02-25-2010, 04:01 PM

Really, Murray as an INFP and Johansonn as an INTP?

Explain?

*sigh* Im not sure I can... she seemed somehow more rational and collected (like when she decides to go away, at the end, she decides and off she goes, without turning back...) he's a bit clumsy and totally lost in the clouds (like when he forgets to take the pegs off his jacket LOL) and he struck me as more sentimental than her... but it could be also the other way round... definitely two INXPs though, at least in my perception.

Also I agree with your sentiments entirely Otter, anyone who disliked it was an ES. LOL I didn't say that, and I didn't mean that. I was genuinely surprised, that's all.

Four

02-25-2010, 04:08 PM

I saw the movie with my ex g/f(I think if my brain still works proper). Here is what I gather. She didn't like it and is esfp(last I knew when took it at work) but I don't see why another esfp wouldn't actually enjoy it.

Also as far as IN understanding what it is to be lonely in a big city. I have to call this out since my esfp ex went and moved to a big city and pointed how there is this feeling of loneliness admist all the people.

SimplyOtter

02-25-2010, 04:17 PM

I don't see why another esfp wouldn't actually enjoy it.

Of course, you are right.

Also as far as IN understanding what it is to be lonely in a big city. I have to call this out since my esfp ex went and moved to a big city and pointed how there is this feeling of loneliness admist all the people.

I went as far as seeing the choice of Tokyo as a location as a symbol.
The meaning being not as much the feeling of loneliness in a big city but the feeling of constantly being in a big city when you are an IN.

Four

02-25-2010, 04:55 PM

I went as far as seeing the choice of Tokyo as a location as a symbol.
The meaning being not as much the feeling of loneliness in a big city but the feeling of constantly being in a big city when you are an IN.

Hmm, like a type of claustrophobia with city life and all that comes with it?

Zodd

02-26-2010, 02:38 PM

Guys... really? :stunned:
I'm soo surprised most of the people here didn't think much of it... not just because I truly loved it but because it's possibly the closest a movie can get to the dynamics of IN vs ES people... I would have said it was very apparent, that type of loneliness you can have amid people being something just IN people can experience when surrounded by a fast moving and superficial environment...such a stark contrast with our inner world that all the rest becomes almost surreal, and totally meaningless...
But maybe it's just me reading my projections into it...

I saw Bill Murray as an INFP, Scarlett Johansonn as an INTP...
all the rest (particularly the blonde actress) as typical ES...

anybody agrees?

I didn't say I disliked the movie but I just couldn't understand it. How can I figure out with my NT mind what they are thinking about while all they do is smile at eachother and joke around? Maybe people who don't get this movie lack the ability to read people faces/voice/bodylanguage? Or maybe it has to do something with how the viewer experiences loneliness and how they themselves act to it. I could feel something special between Scarlett and Bill but I couldn't put a finger on it. It gave a quite unique feeling and that's why I'm going to watch it again tonight, hopefully I will figure it out better.

eagleseven

02-27-2010, 01:18 PM

How can I figure out with my NT mind what they are thinking about while all they do is smile at eachother and joke around? Maybe people who don't get this movie lack the ability to read people faces/voice/bodylanguage?
Perhaps...but I suspect it has more to do with the ability to empathize with Bill and Scarlett. Having lived through prolonged situations like the two characters face, I understand the thoughts and feelings of the characters, as though I were there with them.

I've also experienced the watershed moment of the karaoke scene, where after being isolated for what seems like an eternity, you finally acclimate and integrate with your surroundings.

And what song are they singing in this climatic scene? "More Than This"

Marcus

02-27-2010, 04:03 PM

Supposedly their wasn't supposed to be anything sexual about their relationship, they where just friends. I also thought there was something sexual, but after reading on imdb.com it wasn't I thought. The kiss on the end was also just a friendship kiss.

It was more than friendship IMHO, it was about getting intimate with somebody without wanting to cross the line of sexuality. Actually Murray had sex with the singer to contrast it to the relationship he had with Johansson. Also, Murray was not involved emotionally with the singer.

Perhaps...but I suspect it has more to do with the ability to empathize with Bill and Scarlett. Having lived through prolonged situations like the two characters face, I understand the thoughts and feelings of the characters, as though I were there with them.
I agree. It comes down to having experienced similar situations.

Zodd

02-27-2010, 06:00 PM

Ok, watched it again. I understood some parts maybe better, but never was I sure of something and I still was constantly analizing what was happening. I didn't enjoy the movie, which I actually did the first time.

*Why couldn't Scarlett hang out with her friends more? That demanded an explanation but can't remember one.
*Why where they running away from that guy with that toygun in that nightclub?
*Why didn't he say goodbye proper right away and what is the significant difference between the first one and the second one with the kiss? (was it still that he had sex with that redhead singer, they allready made that up)
*I feel like some insight in how her relationship with her husband was before she almost couldn't recognize her was missing.
*Was this movie more about being alone in a city and having no one to connect to or more about their marriage problems? It seems so much like to seperate things.