INTJs in fiction. [Archive] - Page 5

UKsplendid

03-13-2012, 01:24 PM

Batman/Bruce sooooo INTJ it hurts, I've always been been bothered that he is placed in other types so much because he is probably the most clearly cut INTJ character in all fiction. We always get the evil overlords who are only the skin deep cartoon blow ups of INTJ's.

He hangs out in a cave all day with his gadgets and computers. He does lots of high tech detective work in his cave and is consumed by his grand scheme, bringing justice to a whole city.
His appearance and behavior in the field is a carefully thought out psychological element of his greater plan, he can see how the small elements fit in with the larger elements.
He trained obsessively for years in order to even begin his plan, very large scale, long range, multi faceted scheming, yet he has the single mindedness to obsess over the finest detail: mastermind.

He has tons of gadgets for nearly every situation and all sorts of weapons, plan plan plan.
Obviously views himself himself as more of an authority than the law and police, believes in his plans and himself enough to actually go out dressed as a bat in order to beat up armed criminals in order to change a whole city (I'm not crazy, millions of people that think in drastically different ways to me are crazy. They just don't know shit like I do man, it'll be easy. I'll just train for like... a decade or whatever to get ready). He has no powers from birth or radioactive accident, he actually chose that life. He also chose to do all this stuff ALONE. Apart from his butler he barely sees anyone.

INTJ's do have emotions and ideals, we also have lots of drive when we believe something to be important. We also tend to be quite dark in how we view the world and the people in it.
Batman saw his parents get killed as a child so his INTJishness just got extra dark very early. He gave up an easy life of ridiculous wealth so he could slap peoples shit all day.

Polymath20

03-13-2012, 01:32 PM

An INTJ would be more likely to use henchmen than do it themselves. You have to be more E to get the idea to - and actually go out into the world more or less on your own. Cripes, just read the description for ESTJ (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly and systematically. They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these systems. They value competence and efficiency, and like to see quick results for their efforts.

ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles. They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what steps need to be taken to complete a specific task.

UKsplendid

03-13-2012, 02:04 PM

They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly and systematically. They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these systems. They value competence and efficiency, and like to see quick results for their efforts.

ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles. They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what steps need to be taken to complete a specific task.

That idea brings up a lot of red flags for me. Batman's action is more in the vein of police style action, for every minute spent beating people up he spends and hour behind the scenes doing the supporting work, the action is backed with a suped up car and gadgets to stack the odds in his favour. He's very much like a police detective in his behavior apart from the fact he has absolutely no regard for law or tradition whatsoever. He's very long range planner.
Taking charge implies social leadership, batman is a confident loner. Although he can fight brilliantly he isn't particularly aggressive, he'd rather drop on someone from the ceiling or tie them up. Much more calculated ways of doing things, aggression is not a mentally conductive trait.

Polymath20

03-14-2012, 08:17 AM

That idea brings up a lot of red flags for me. Batman's action is more in the vein of police style action, for every minute spent beating people up he spends and hour behind the scenes doing the supporting work(1), the action is backed with a suped up car and gadgets to stack the odds in his favour(2). He's very much like a police detective in his behavior apart from the fact he has absolutely no regard for law or tradition whatsoever. He's very long range planner.
Taking charge implies social leadership, batman is a confident loner(3). Although he can fight brilliantly he isn't particularly aggressive, he'd rather drop on someone from the ceiling or tie them up.(4) Much more calculated ways of doing things, aggression is not a mentally conductive trait.

1) Working solo does not make one an Introvert. The fact that he does things himself is an Extroverted trait. Did you read the description that I linked to?

2) Using gadgets does not make one an introvert or intuitive. He's an extrovert who said "Hey, Alfred, got any ideas? Hey Lucius, what have you got that can help me?" If he was an IN type he would have sat down and said "Let me figure out what I can build to help me" but instead his first reaction was "Let me go ask the experts" - very very ES approach.

3) A "confident loner" who is so aware of his surroundings, his family business, and is so socially savvy as to hoodwink his own board of directors? Not to mention take a few European minxes out for a night on the town to appear like a normal bachelor? A confident loner, that when a friend told him that he didn't understand criminals he said "You know what? She's right. I'm gonna go become one!" - an INTJ would probably never do that. That has ES written all over it.

4) I assert that an IN wouldn't fight at all. Think Scarecrow. He makes poisons and sprays them at people then runs away. It takes someone with extroverted, in the moment focus to fight.

UKsplendid

03-14-2012, 12:26 PM

1)
Batman doesn't just work solo, he's INTJ solo. INTJ's are the most loner/independent of types. I did read the ESTJ description yes, it says boisterous, fun loving, communal, verbal , leader, lives in the present, some cross type things are there like being good at planning but I found it very far off for the most part. Batman is a far cry from E. I have never considered doing something yourself to be E or I particularly, but I would consider being an extreme loner a very I trait. INTJ most of all.

2)
His first reaction was to spend years obsessively training for his master plan and he doesn't really ask for planning help from alfred and lucius. Alfred often chimes in to give his opinion unasked and implies that batman is crazy, he gets gadgets from lucius. INTJ's don't build all their own stuff. He definitely likes gadgets though, and works them into his plans. He does a whole lot of sitting down and thinking, he has a whole cave for it.

3)
I fool people into thinking I'm normal all day! INTJ's can be very confident in themselves and what they can do and follow their plans relentlessly, all of those things are just steps in a grand plan and they don't sound beyond the ability of a confident loner.
There's no E in batman, his public persona is...a persona. He takes models out to appear like playboy, buys expensive stuff to appear like a bighead. He decided to fight crime long before his friend said he doesn't understand criminals.
I couldn't seriously imagine anyone of any type actually becoming batman, he is a fiction after all.

4)
Lennox Lewis is 100% INTJ and he was an undisputed boxing champ plus an olympian. He's trained for years and has great strategy, amazing at chess.
Thinking of scarecrow with his psychological elements and gadget based attack makes me think of batman. Batman doesn't just fight, like I said he drops on people from ceilings, ties them up/traps them, stalks them, does detective stuff. His stealth and his brains are used much more than his fighting, but are used even when fighting. Like a ninja/nINTJa!

Polymath20

03-14-2012, 12:37 PM

@UKsplendid

You do have a compelling argument - however I simply cannot fathom an INTJ coming with with "Dressing up as a caped crusader" as a master plan.

An INTJ - the Mastermind - with high intelligence and billions of dollars would be more like hire networks of spies and agents to infiltrate and destroy and corrupt what he saw as evil or bad.

I still strongly disagree about the gadgets - Bruce Wayne seems to find a need first, then he will go find a gadget, but he's not obsessed over them. They are tools to help his bigger purpose. An N type might be obsessed with gadgets but the S type is more concerned about their usefulness... and actually using them. I think in this case you're projecting your own fascination with gadgets onto the Bruce Wayne/Batman character.

Kisai

03-14-2012, 12:44 PM

His appearance and behavior in the field is a carefully thought out psychological element of his greater plan,

Batman doesn't have any master plans. He's a band-aid for crime. If he was an INTJ, he'd have dropped the Joker off of a building a long time ago.

An INTJ - the Mastermind - with high intelligence and billions of dollars would be more like hire networks of spies and agents to infiltrate and destroy and corrupt what he saw as evil or bad.

With high intelligence and billions of dollars and his philantropist image he could have easily gotten politicians more sympathetic to his cause voted into office in Gotham.

I think the closest that Batman gets to being an INTJ is in Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and The Dark Knight Strikes Again, where he gets fed up with the existing social order and starts actually working to change things.

Polymath20

03-14-2012, 12:52 PM

Batman doesn't have any master plans. He's a band-aid for crime. If he was an INTJ, he'd have dropped the Joker off of a building a long time ago.

Exactly - doing something about it right now - like stringing up criminals - is such an ES decision! (to me)

With high intelligence and billions of dollars and his philantropist image he could have easily gotten politicians more sympathetic to his cause voted into office in Gotham.

I think the closest that Batman gets to being an INTJ is in Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and The Dark Knight Rides Again, where he gets fed up with the existing social strata and starts actually working to change things.

yeah that was my point is that an INTJ with those resources wouldn't ever get the idea to dress up and play vigilante - he would think "Bigger picture" and work to change the foundations of civilization which allowed for those criminals to exist. Like Bruce Wayne's dad - he built rail systems and hospitals for the greater good. Very INTJ approach.

UKsplendid

03-14-2012, 01:19 PM

A billionaire INTJ would be more likely to do the whole spy network thing yes, but they would also be more likely to become a politician. We are talking of fiction, I can't think of a type that has a particular caped superhero element. I really never put a huge emphasis on gadgets, I said batman hangs out all day in a cave with gadgets and computers doing detective work, which he does. He's not obsessed by them, he's obsessed by his lifestyle, in which high tech gadgets are used. They are tools to help a bigger purpose! I said that he has so many shows how many situations he's ready for, how deep he plans. I don' know why you'd think I'm all about material gadgets.

Batmans character, stripped off all surface material, is a very intelligent, dark, dedicated loner who believes in himself completely and chose his life. There are too many superheroes to count but batman is no superhero, he has no powers. He's, depending on who's looking, a mastermind or a mental case. Sounds very familiar...

hi5yourface

03-14-2012, 01:53 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

and Hugo, ironically also highlighting the potential in an INTJ ENFP relationship

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

UKsplendid

03-14-2012, 03:03 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen

I think Dr.Manhattan is a magic INTP, an INTJ would be way more dangerous, controlling and dramatic with their power. Imagine what the two types would be like if they had that power but lost their humanity. If Adrian was the magic being he'd be the superking of earth.

Ozymandias is INTJ all day baby. Just found this

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"he really does care but you still all have to die." LOL. And manhattan understands. Without condoning...or condemning. He understands.

Income

03-14-2012, 03:07 PM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Nico Robin from One Piece? She is definitely an introvert, she seeks knowledge, she doesn't show emotions often, she is mysterious.

what yeah okay

03-14-2012, 05:01 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

INTP, almost to the point of caricature.

Rexus

03-14-2012, 05:04 PM

What about that guy from V for Vendetta? Ya know, V?

"Remember, remember, the 5th of november, the Gunpowder Treason and plot...I know of no reason why it should ever...be...forgot"

ollin24

03-14-2012, 06:00 PM

Claudus

03-15-2012, 12:45 AM

Leto II, God Emperor of Dune is definitely INTJ
Paul Atreides (Muad'Dib) seems like he starts of INTJ and gradually becomes INTP.

hi5yourface

03-15-2012, 12:07 PM

I think Dr.Manhattan is a magic INTP, an INTJ would be way more dangerous, controlling and dramatic with their power. Imagine what the two types would be like if they had that power but lost their humanity. If Adrian was the magic being he'd be the superking of earth.

Ozymandias is INTJ all day baby. Just found this

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"he really does care but you still all have to die." LOL. And manhattan understands. Without condoning...or condemning. He understands.

Only here would there be a thread dedicated to the MBTI of the Watchmen characters I'm impressed!
Haha, well I came to my conclusion mostly based on the functions Ni,Te,Fi,Se or at least the way I perceived them to be with his character. I really thought that his move to Mars was a direct Se reaction to what his compromised Fi made him feel. Also it was as though while on Mars his Fi was the springboard for an Ni moment of clarity where he finally could see the value in life and his Te was able to logically frame it. Of course I could definitely be wrong though lol.....also he worked for the government on war tactics it just wasn't what interested him....he did manipulate matter though haha and at the end of the story he definitely stepped in and ruined Ozymandias plans.

Hahaha, Ozymandias was an INTJ too? But of course who else would be obsessed with Alexander the Great and have a sweet genetically modified linx lol!

Snape42

04-29-2012, 11:46 AM

I read somewhere that Patrick Bateman is an INTJ. How is he an INTJ?; he is clearly ESTP.

what yeah okay

04-29-2012, 06:26 PM

How is he an INTJ?; he is clearly ESTP.

He's all kinds of fucked up to the point of being nigh-impossible to type. Take an ESTP, give him OCD and have him act in his INFJ shadow. Then, take away any stretch of emotion save for blind rage, and take away any desires other than a desire to make everyone around him suffer. Voila, Patrick Bateman.

It's impossible for him to be INTJ since he is so fixated on how others view him, a la Se-Fe.

HarleyQuinn

05-10-2012, 06:05 AM

Been watching Nickelodeon shows (go Dan Schneider!)

Victorious: The character of Jade West has always struck me as giving off an INTJ vibe (reminds me a lot of a musical/high school aged Wednesday Addams) and I've seen her typed as that in a few other places.

scorpiomover

05-10-2012, 06:36 AM

The Penguin: Hates other people (I), very intuitive (N), not touchy-feely at all (T), wants to control others and very confident that his plans will work (J), brilliant strategist. His mind is his only, and his best, tool. Always has an escape route planned.

scorpiomover

06-21-2012, 09:16 PM

Dr. Nicholas Rush from Stargate Universe.

The Great Malefic

06-24-2012, 07:13 AM

Elizabeth Hawke from the tv series WICKED SCIENCE
I love that character, my favorite fictional INTJ female ever!!!!! ;D
She has sudden bouts of incredible intuitive insights since a laboratory accident.
THAT's what I call Ni, hahaha!
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Wicked Science tells the story of two teenagers who are mysteriously turned into wizards of science. Toby Johnson is regular easy-going student struggling with homework and girls. Elizabeth Hawke is the Teacher's pet. Nobody at school likes her and the only person she likes is Toby. One day they get hit by a ray—a unique magnetic pulse that changes everything. Suddenly they're both scientific geniuses! Seems like a wild situation for any 15-year-old. Toby doesn't know how to control the gift, and he's not easy with it. But Elizabeth revels in her new found power. She wants to dominate the school, using her gift as the ultimate weapon for success and power. He may not like it, but Toby's the only one who can hold her back. Battle lines are drawn between the two wizards of science. The normal world of Sandy Bay School is turned upside down by invisible cars, flying lawnmowers, a cloned School Principal and a rampaging T-Rex.
The whole season 1 (of 2) is on youtube (english):
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

:cool:

btw, what do you guys think about Toby's MBTI type? INFJ?

The Great Malefic

06-26-2012, 11:34 AM

btw, what do you guys think about Toby's MBTI type? INFJ?
No, I must correct myself: I'm pretty sure he's INTP!
So we have a classical INTJ vs. INTP enemies/lovers pairing in this series! :loved:

Mindfreak

06-29-2012, 10:51 AM

Ray Milland's character in "Dial M For Murder" and the character Gregory from "Gaslight".

Just a guess.

AureliaSeverina

06-29-2012, 01:55 PM

Estraven in The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K Le Guin ???

Moth

06-29-2012, 05:04 PM

Estraven in The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K Le Guin ???

I'm unsure about this, but would say that Shevek from The Dispossessed is almost certainly INTJ.

jammi

06-29-2012, 05:42 PM

The protagonist Gru in Despicable Me (2010) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

Ghostwheel

06-30-2012, 01:58 AM

Dr. Wilbur Larch from Cider House Rules.

AureliaSeverina

06-30-2012, 04:17 AM

I'm unsure about this, but would say that Shevek from The Dispossessed is almost certainly INTJ.

I'm unsure, too, hence the three questionmarks. What type would you say Estraven is?

I'll read The Dispossesed soon.

Shadeylark

06-30-2012, 09:44 AM

about as INTJ as you can get I think... and I'm not totally comfortable with that thought:undecided:
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

HarleyQuinn

07-01-2012, 02:14 PM

Elizabeth Hawke from the tv series WICKED SCIENCE
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The whole season 1 (of 2) is on youtube (english):
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Elizabeth definitely strikes me as INTJ.

Been getting into this show after seeing this post (thanks) and love Elizabeth's character a lot. I've found I actually sympathize with her as much, if not more often, than the "good guys" and also think Toby/Dina can be just as cruel as Elizabeth but in different ways.

Alikev42

07-01-2012, 02:36 PM

Not having the time to search through all 42 pages thus far, here are my initial characters, with apologies if they've already been mentioned:

Sherlock Holmes
Star Trek: Next Gen: the Borg
Star Trek: TOS: Spock
Inspector Columbo (played by Peter Falk)
Revenge of the Nerds: Lewis & Gilbert

My general problem with media and their portrayal of INTJs is that by and large they are rarely the central character, they're socially inept, bookish, physically uncoordinated, and not much good for anything except long expositions and answering the technical or scientific questions the lead actors don't know how to solve themselves.

In other words, the writers/producers/directors see INTJs as the stereotype. Since the Hollywood machine has a strong tendency to follow trends and make sequels and make what has worked in the past, INTJs don't generally get the chance to shine in their areas of expertise: solving problems.

Nomatterwhat

07-01-2012, 02:44 PM

What about Mr. Wolf from Pulp fiction?
I would say he is an extroverted introvert and an INTJ

scorpiomover

07-01-2012, 04:38 PM

What about Mr. Wolf from Pulp fiction?
I would say he is an extroverted introvert and an INTJI know what you mean. Inclined to think that Mr Wolf was an ENTJ, primarily because he got everyone else to do the work. But could also be an iNTJ, with a weak i.

The Great Malefic

07-15-2012, 07:47 AM

Elizabeth definitely strikes me as INTJ.

Been getting into this show after seeing this post (thanks) and love Elizabeth's character a lot. I've found I actually sympathize with her as much, if not more often, than the "good guys" and also think Toby/Dina can be just as cruel as Elizabeth but in different ways.

You're welcome! It's great that I could get you interested in the series and into her character, hehe! ;D Elizabeth is my ultimate INTJ dream girl!
Yes, I think Toby and Dina are quite cruel when they try to "take away" the genius-thing from Elizabeth at the end of S1! Maybe Toby doesn't realize that it changed Elizabeth' whole character so she is much more happy with herself now and a much stronger personality now as she was before the incident! Taking the genius-thing away from her would be like killing a part of her and trying to "domesticate" her! And that's how she sees it.
I am so excited about the series that I ordered the DVD sets of season 1 & 2 over ebay from Spain...but there are the whole season 1 (in english) and season 2 (in german) on youtube anyways.

BTW, the trailers for S1 & S2 on youtube:
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"Oh yes, Verity....I'M BACK!!!" :cool:

what yeah okay

07-15-2012, 05:44 PM

Sherlock Holmes
ISTP. Everything about him is Ti-Se. He picks up on seemingly irrelevant details in the environment and then builds on it.

Star Trek: Next Gen: the Borg

Their conquest is directed outward, so it is hard to see how they could be described as introverted.

Star Trek: TOS: Spock

ISTJ. He's extremely dogmatic, and overly concerned with rules and principles.

Ghostwheel

07-15-2012, 11:16 PM

Kate Croy (played by Helena Bonham Carter) in Wings of the Dove (1997).

LexLuthor

10-19-2012, 08:02 PM

I have not seen this character mentioned yet so maybe no one here watches Boardwalk Empire but Arnold Rothstein is a clear INTJ.

9272

10-19-2012, 09:06 PM

ISTJ. He's extremely dogmatic, and overly concerned with rules and principles.

Sj's do not care for logic primarily, they care for authority

Tactical Panda

10-20-2012, 05:16 AM

Sj's do not care for logic primarily, they care for authority

I thought Vulcan culture and authority was from emotional purges and thus the elevation of logic and procedure instead of passion and impulse?

scorpiomover

10-20-2012, 11:39 AM

Sj's do not care for logic primarily, they care for authorityLogic is the authority of reason itself.

9272

10-20-2012, 01:55 PM

I thought Vulcan culture and authority was from emotional purges and thus the elevation of logic and procedure instead of passion and impulse?

I have no idea about vulcan culture as i never watched the old TV show or the old movies. I go by the observation that the character himself is motivated only by logic and responds ONLY to logic. This is in contrast with guardians who are motivated by authority which often conflicts with logic.

scorpiomover

10-20-2012, 02:23 PM

I have no idea about vulcan culture as i never watched the old TV show or the old movies.You might want to read this thread (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). It's a thread that discussed the MBTI type of both the old Spock and the new Spock.

I go by the observation that the character himself is motivated only by logic and responds ONLY to logic. This is in contrast with guardians who are motivated by authority which often conflicts with logic.Authority as blind obedience, often conflicts with logic. However, someone who is always blindly obedient, isn't going to be successful at any position of responsibility, that sometimes requires counter-manding one's instructions.

A good example of this is accountancy and book-keeping, which are jobs that ISTJs seem to excel in.

An accountant and a book-keeper has to do the books for the boss of the company. The boss employs the accountant or the book-keeper, to do the books for him, so he doesn't have to. So an accountant/book-keeper will often discover that there are issues and solutions that the boss doesn't understand or see, simply because the accountant/book-keeper HAS gone over the books thoroughly and the boss has not, because he has employed the accountant/book-keeper to do that for him. Very often, the boss does not realise that he is required to pay more tax than he thought of, or doesn't understand that the employees HAVE to be paid in a certain way in order to keep in line with tax regulations, or that if a money matter is handled in a certain way, that the boss will get his money, when he thinks he'll get screwed. It's the job of the accountant/book-keeper to point all this out to the boss. When the issue is regarding a tax matter that could cause the company to be fined heavily, or be audited, or even shut down, it's the responsibility of the accountant/book-keeper to argue with the boss until the boss is made to listen to reason, or the accountant/book-keeper may end up finding that the company folds, or that his boss becomes fed up with losing so much money, and he loses his job. These issues come up regularly, so much so, that almost every accountant/book-keeper who just blindly did what his boss said, would be bound to lose many jobs, and get a reputation of being an extremely poor accountant. He would be bound to only get very poorly-paying positions, and spend his life as a very poor failure.

That ISTJs seem to do so well in accountancy and book-keeping, often earning very good money, and having a very good reputation at being excellent in such positions, shows that they have to regularly stand up to authority, as that is the only way they could achieve such excellence in such jobs.

stopwinking

10-22-2012, 11:44 AM

I always related to these characters, especially Stanley .
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

This movie is free on YT.
I think that males and females would like the film- it's more of a study in character and humanity than a Love story and there's a very brief and bearable love scene.

Okay- off on slight 'subjective, non-logical' tangent :
Yes, as a teen, I was curious about love/sex relationships,yes, there are lonely people who are too shy or classy to watch other types of 'Love' scenes or to have them themselves but, even then, I personally wanted experience and instruction, not what I get from sex scenes:
WHY do I need to see every character in movies/film/celebrity having sex?! It's like catching people picking their nose in a car- they most likely are enjoying themselves but, I don;t need to see it and I lose respect and that detachment that breeds reverence of their humanity, of their true self within their body. Every human has sex as a way to procreate. If it's beautiful or meaningful it's within that person and,. rarely, when it's special between themselves and the other partner.I'm not talking about voyeurism or threesomes but, the invasive removed third-party bs of watching Love scenes. I can watch 'special' movies for that and if a celebrity is 'sexy' it's not me kissing them so, *ugh* pointless. I wish love scenes would stop ruining movies.

Nomatterwhat

10-23-2012, 09:26 AM

John Doe - Se7en

HarleyQuinn

11-04-2012, 08:33 AM

How about Mandy from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy?

Plausible

11-04-2012, 10:18 AM

Dr Ellie Arroway from Carl Sagans novel ''Contact''

Cygnus

11-24-2012, 11:43 AM

From the game Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, not necessarily INTJ specific but awesome example of the crazy "Ni" function. It is like all of clan Malkavian shares a super charged "Ni" giving them uncanny and very spooky insight, that we as INTJ can relate to on several levels...

on first meeting Jeanette
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

crazy Ni immediately makes a connection calling Jeanette "Daughter of Janus"...which Jeanette immediately picks up on as a kindred spirit, and we find out later how true this insight actually is...

The real fun happens when we can project our brand of crazy on to others!

Convincing a friend, that is better off not knowing the truth of the matter...that you are her pet turtle!
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Dr. Grout diaries are an awesome mirror...
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Wheel

11-25-2012, 08:41 AM

Kayaba Akihiko from Sword Art: Online. The guy creates his own virtual world and traps 10,000 people inside of it. They have to beat the game to log out. He did it because he was obsessed with a perfect world and he believed his could achieve that. great anime for anyone looking.

Firri

11-25-2012, 02:26 PM

Has anybody said Sherlock Homes yet?

Bonafide

11-25-2012, 06:18 PM

Has anybody said Sherlock Homes yet?

Only about 12 thousand times.

Spare

11-29-2012, 04:53 AM

Recently i saw a movie "Cosmopolis". I don't remember the main character name, but he looked like INTJ to me.

zenomax

11-29-2012, 01:48 PM

Edward Norton's character in American History X

Jaeryn

01-19-2013, 12:10 AM

Catherine Tramell (Basic Instinct)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars Expanded Universe)
Batman

MrFlaneur

01-19-2013, 01:52 PM

Boris the animal in mib3.

Subtotal

01-21-2013, 11:37 PM

Dr Cox from Scrubs
Foamy from Neurotically yours
Magician Humphrey from the Xanth books

Plausible

01-22-2013, 02:07 AM

Bruce Wayne/Batman from Batman begins
Dr Crane/Scarecrow from Batman begins
Waleran Bigod from ''Pillars of the earth''

MrFlaneur

01-23-2013, 10:18 AM

Charlie out of flowers for algernon.

9272

01-23-2013, 11:01 AM

Diana christensen in network

Subtotal

01-25-2013, 01:49 AM

Leonard Church - Red Vs Blue

Exelone

01-25-2013, 02:38 AM

that kid who used his dog as an experiment for science... he was a mad science..

Chimera

01-25-2013, 10:27 AM

One thing I have noticed about fictional characters is that they are almost impossible
to figure out because they're - well - fictional.
The writers can manipulate them to behave any way they want them to
without true adherance to actual human behavioral patterns.

I just realized recenty that THIS is what makes some characters and stories resonate with me. When they are truly character driven. I get so tired of the cliche writing in shows that has the cast doing unexpected things, because the writer thinks that doing the unexpected is why we stay interested. (But I have come to expect the unexpected with bored resignation..so....now I am caught in a scene from Monk, expecting the unexpected makes it expected...so, it isn't unexpected anymore....AAAAHHH!)

I understand that humans aren't 100% predictable, but we do have patterns, changing those just for the sake of change, or ratings is nearly unforgivable to me. Also, NOT killing off a character when it should be done, drives me insane.

9272

01-25-2013, 10:41 AM

Convincing a friend, that is better off not knowing the truth of the matter...that you are her pet turtle!

Never played the game but the youtube comment made me curious, whats the characters relationship with that person? What happened to the main character? What is "The truth"?

Mindfreak

01-27-2013, 11:10 AM

How about Jessica Fletcher (Murder, She Wrote) or Columbo (Peter Falk) ?

Perry Mason?

BlogName1A

01-27-2013, 11:24 AM

It's a rare type that it seems few have really tried to explore, to understand, subject to misunderstandings.

MrGraves

03-08-2013, 04:17 PM

Edward Norton's character in American History X

Seconded. Either that or an INFJ.

Sirdowski

03-09-2013, 12:32 PM

Well, Raistlin Majere is of course an excellent character, but I would like to nominate "Doctor Doom" in all of his overflowing stereotypical INTJ qualities. "The Books of Doom" version of him was especially great; Man encaged in metal armor (sheltering himself from the outside world and emotions), the one who combines magic and technology, living in castlevania like fortress and ruling his own country with robot army, trying to take over the world and to save his mother's soul from hell. He thinks other as inferior (being basically right), has always a plan b & c, doombots, and possesses absolute faith in his 'destiny'. "Mastermind" and "Super Scientist" indeed, his ironical and tragicomical story is amazing. (Fantastic Four version sucked very badly compared to the real thing.) "The Greatest Villain of All Time" so says DOCTOR DOOM! :evil:

On the other note I think Light Yagami is ENTJ, not INTJ. Discussions over his type have always ended in the end to that conclusion. Others have said that Light was INTJ in the manga, but not in the anime. I have no knowledge on that as I have not read the manga. Near was INTJ character, but he was kinda the more boring type INTJ. :p

NICE. Not sure how Doom was overlooked...

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

JudgeDavid

03-10-2013, 04:23 AM

NICE. Not sure how Doom was overlooked...

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I approve this message!:laugh:

---------- Post added 03-10-2013 at 11:26 AM ----------

Good, fully developed INTJs rarely show up in the movies. *When INTJs do show up, they're usually of the "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die" ilk, and that annoys me. *This might be a good place to track down INTJ characters who aren't Emperor Ming (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). *Of course most of the posts in this thread will be open to contention, so arguing over whether the character is an INTJ or not is as much a part of this discussion as anything else.

I'll start with one of the best INTJ film/fiction characters ever.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Seriously? In both the books and the films Lecter is described as a, "Pure psychopath".:huh:

9272

03-10-2013, 04:32 AM

I can see lecter as more INTJ than i can see doom actually

JudgeDavid

03-10-2013, 05:51 AM

I can see lecter as more INTJ than i can see doom actually

THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!!:bomb:

Seriously, I'd be interested in hearing why. I only recently discovered I'm an INTJ, so I'm always looking to expand my knowledge in this area.

PS: Love your avatar. One of the coolest Villains in comics and, if I'm not mistaken, one of our People.:bighug:

---------- Post added 03-10-2013 at 01:10 PM ----------

This may be beyond your current generation of Animes, but Griffith from Berserk is a stalwart INTJ. So much so that he is portrayed as being inhuman, (which he literally becomes to be) and "the absolute."

You are missing several good heroes and villains here too:
Gandalf (Lord of the Rings)
Aragorn (possibly/ Lord of the Rings)
Frank Castle (The Punisher, hero or villain is up to you...)
Clarice Starling (Silence of the Lambs)
Tear (v. game: Tales of the Abyss)
Jade (v. game: Tales of the Abyss)
Yuri (v. game: Tales of Vesperia)
Raven (Teen Titans)
D (Vampire Hunter D)
Rukia Kuchiki (Bleach)
Byakuya Kuchiki (Bleach)
Aizen Sousuke (Bleach/villain)
Ulquiorra (Bleach/villain)
David (Blood +)
The Joker (villain/ The Dark Knight/ I know this may stir some debate, but the way he is portrayed is as a calculating criminal mastermind out for destruction, reminds me of an INTJ who has... lost his sense of purpose, and such devotes himself to chaos since it is "So much fun." )
Roy Revant (Solty Rei)
Rossiu (Gurren Lagann)
Kurama (Elfen Lied/ hero/villain)
Re-L (Ergo Proxy)
V (V for Vendetta)

Those are just off the top of my head. INTJs are actually over-represented in culture when compared to our scarcity in the population if you know where and how to look.

Much as I love Frank, no way is he one of our People. He's a hardcore ISTJ. While he's an excellent tactician and ruthlessly pragmatic, Frank has no Master Plan. He kills the Bad Guys on Sunday, goes to sleep and gets up again to do exactly the same thing on Monday. Just different bad guys, of course.

Several times, at least when Garth Ennis was writing him, Frank admits the total futility of his "War".

"I couldn't stop the trade in heroin, any more than I could stop the tide coming in."

---------- Post added 03-10-2013 at 11:19 PM ----------

people love to make INTJ's badguys because they're uncomfortable with our detached nature and our ability to think ahead to the future better than everyone else. The majority of the people in the world are Extroverts(75%), Sensing types, so since they don't understand us...why not cast us as villians?

I'd like to see an INTJ hero type who fixes the world as everyone screams and bitches and tries to stop him, then they realizes what he did was for the best. But lets face it, even my description sounds very 'evil genius'

Ozymandias in Watchmen?

9272

03-10-2013, 07:12 PM

THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!!

Seriously, I'd be interested in hearing why. I only recently discovered I'm an INTJ, so I'm always looking to expand my knowledge in this area.

PS: Love your avatar. One of the coolest Villains in comics and, if I'm not mistaken, one of our People.

Sorry:S It's not that doom isn't INTJ(but i definitely admit i barely know the character, although he strikes me as ENTJ in MVC3) it's that lecter resembles INTJ more clearly to me, but again that's probably because i've paid more attention to him than i have paid to Doom other than the hollywood movies, in which he does seem INTJ. Yeah i think magneto definitely is, lots of Fi.

Ozymandias in Watchmen?

Definitely, and Tara and Pope from sons of anarchy

Palladium

03-10-2013, 08:28 PM

I just watched Top Gun last night. I'm fairly certain "Charlie" is an INTJ. Maverick is probably an ESTP. Classic movie with two alpha characters that portrays a female INTJ in a positive light.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

davai

03-10-2013, 09:13 PM

JudgeDavid

03-11-2013, 02:58 PM

Sorry:S It's not that doom isn't INTJ(but i definitely admit i barely know the character, although he strikes me as ENTJ in MVC3) it's that lecter resembles INTJ more clearly to me, but again that's probably because i've paid more attention to him than i have paid to Doom other than the hollywood movies, in which he does seem INTJ. Yeah i think magneto definitely is, lots of Fi.

Definitely, and Tara and Pope from sons of anarchy

I was just reading Lecter's Wiki page. In Red Dragon it is clearly stated that, "Lecter does not fit any known psychological profile". Although Dr Chilton describes him as a, "pure pyschopath".

Graham, "No. I know I'm not smarter than you."

Lecter, "Then how did you catch me?"

Graham. "You had disadvantages."

Lecter, "What disadvantages?"

Graham, "You're insane."

This is the problem I have with accepting Lecter as an INTJ, much the same problem I would have accepting Hitler(and some people have claimed he was INTJ)his insanity defines him.

9272

03-11-2013, 04:20 PM

Chimera

03-11-2013, 11:46 PM

I hope this isn't too off topic, but I have always noticed with intense irritation how many times the bad guy gets to run away because the good guy can't pull the trigger.
Maybe it's the "let's do things n the most efficient way here" that makes me push aside the "I can't stoop to their level and become what they are " argument, it just drives me crazy, I guess it's mostly because it makes for good t.v....but come ON, villains don't need a reason why you pulled the trigger, they don't need an explanation of how you found them and stopped them. Maybe it's my intense aversion to drama that makes me want end it.

We need those sorts in real life too, the ones who can do the things others can't imagine.
I guess that is why I have deep respect for police officers and military. So many people can't handle the ugly side of life, it can't be ignored though.

JudgeDavid

03-12-2013, 09:45 AM

People go "insane" for entirely different reasons and in entirely different ways. If you know enough about a type and it's functions then you know what happens when a function is not developed properly, doesn't develop at all, or if you get loops between functions.

Labeling "insane"is dismissive "negative thinking" as Jung would say and it's totally unrealistic to assume that everyone in real life who is typed just behaves 100% perfectly all the time.

Hitler is quite ironically similar to Magneto in that his Fi had developed such a strong preference for a certain group(Germany/german culture vs Mutants) that he was willing to destroy whoever threatened them if that's what it took.

Lecters Fi can be seen to develop in the second movie when he would rather chop his own hand off rather than actually harm clarice, and his inferior Se is what allows Graham to catch him as it is also serving Ni's tendency towards narcissism if other functions become slave.

I mean, people call magneto and doctor doom insane all the time don't they? Why is it so easy to type them then?

Fair points, well presented. Now, allow me to reply: I contend that Lecter is not an INTJ because he lacks the defining characteristic of "our kind" - no Master Plan.

Lecter, for all his fierce intelligence and strategic genius, has no greater goal than killing and eating people. And getting away with it - either by escaping from captivity or not being caught in the first place. This is short-term thinking. Yes, he sometimes manipulates people and events for the purposes of revenge; he sets the Red Dragon and Graham against each other by giving Dolarhyde Graham's home address. He avenges his sister's murder, and takes revenge on Dr Chilton for his mistreatment. But that's as far ahead as Hannibal thinks.

By contrast, Dr Doom and Magneto operate on a far larger scale. Both have long-term plans and goals. Both have their own(very different)ideas of how the world should be, and are willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.

The irony, as you so correctly point out, is that Magneto has simply become the Mutant Fuhrer, willing to slaughter the "inferior" humans in order to protect his, "Master Race." Magneto and Professor Xavier, who believes in peaceful co-existence between Homo Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Superior, have often been compared to Malcom X and Martin Luther King, respectively.

---------- Post added 03-12-2013 at 04:52 PM ----------

I hope this isn't too off topic, but I have always noticed with intense irritation how many times the bad guy gets to run away because the good guy can't pull the trigger.
Maybe it's the "let's do things n the most efficient way here" that makes me push aside the "I can't stoop to their level and become what they are " argument, it just drives me crazy, I guess it's mostly because it makes for good t.v....but come ON, villains don't need a reason why you pulled the trigger, they don't need an explanation of how you found them and stopped them. Maybe it's my intense aversion to drama that makes me want end it.

We need those sorts in real life too, the ones who can do the things others can't imagine.
I guess that is why I have deep respect for police officers and military. So many people can't handle the ugly side of life, it can't be ignored though.

This is my major problem with Batman; the Joker has escaped captivity countless times and killed innocent people while he's free. But the so-called Dark Knight simply punches him a few times and throws him back in jail or Arkham Asylum. Until the next time.:rolleyes:

Of course, this is mainly due to lazy writing; if they kill off the Joker, they piss off the fans and have to think up a new Big Bad for Batman to fight. But I've always preferred anti-heroes like Dredd or the Punisher who just put a round(or ten)into the bad guy. Much more efficient.:cool:

9272

03-12-2013, 04:25 PM

Lecter, for all his fierce intelligence and strategic genius, has no greater goal than killing and eating people. And getting away with it - either by escaping from captivity or not being caught in the first place. This is short-term thinking. Yes, he sometimes manipulates people and events for the purposes of revenge; he sets the Red Dragon and Graham against each other by giving Dolarhyde Graham's home address. He avenges his sister's murder, and takes revenge on Dr Chilton for his mistreatment. But that's as far ahead as Hannibal thinks.

You know what, that's actually an excellent argument. Makes it seem as though other functions could be serving a higher function such as Se, but i still don't think it's fruitful to say that he can't be typed because of insanity.

By contrast, Dr Doom and Magneto operate on a far larger scale. Both have long-term plans and goals. Both have their own(very different)ideas of how the world should be, and are willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.

The irony, as you so correctly point out, is that Magneto has simply become the Mutant Fuhrer, willing to slaughter the "inferior" humans in order to protect his, "Master Race." Magneto and Professor Xavier, who believes in peaceful co-existence between Homo Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Superior, have often been compared to Malcom X and Martin Luther King, respectively.

Completely agree, i actually think Magneto and Xavier may have been based on those people.

JudgeDavid

03-13-2013, 04:10 AM

I concede your point that Lecter's insanity is not a barrier to typing him. I stand by my argument that his lack of long term/large scale goals means he is not an INTJ.

9272

03-13-2013, 05:22 AM

Have to agree with you, you made a strong argument. It'd be interesting to ask forum INTJ's if they have a sortof master-plan or a way that they would like the world to be.

Because of you i'm now leaning towards Lecter being an ISTP.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

All INTJ the way i see it

Plausible

03-13-2013, 08:05 AM

Giles from Buffy the vampire slayer.

scorpiomover

03-13-2013, 08:09 AM

Fair points, well presented. Now, allow me to reply: I contend that Lecter is not an INTJ because he lacks the defining characteristic of "our kind" - no Master Plan.

Lecter, for all his fierce intelligence and strategic genius, has no greater goal than killing and eating people. And getting away with it - either by escaping from captivity or not being caught in the first place. This is short-term thinking. Yes, he sometimes manipulates people and events for the purposes of revenge; he sets the Red Dragon and Graham against each other by giving Dolarhyde Graham's home address. He avenges his sister's murder, and takes revenge on Dr Chilton for his mistreatment. But that's as far ahead as Hannibal thinks.Interesting, because I remember when I first watched "Silence of the Lambs" many years ago, and I've watched it several times since, that I was amazed by Hopkins' performance of Lecter, as he did a perfect job of presenting Lecter as a brilliant (if psychotic) genius. He manipulates Clarice perfectly, to get that one sheet of paper, with the paper clip. He then baits his guards to attack him, and uses the paper clip to free himself and at the same time, kill his guards. Then he escapes.

He even rings Clarice to taunt her. But only once he's at the airport, where by the time she can track him down, he's already out of the country.

I must admit, that it would have been really cool, if Magneto could have broken out of his cell with sheer genius. But it was Mystique who broke him out, with an incredibly clever idea. Mystique could be a mastermind.

I'd also like to point out that Lecter doesn't kill and eat people just to satisfy some personal desire. He eats people because they are rude, because that violates his Fi code, or for all sorts of reasons. But I always got the distinct impression that there was a reason for his killing people, unlike the werewolves in "Dog Soldiers", who just kill and eat humans either because the werewolves are hungry or because the humans invaded their territory.

By contrast, Dr Doom and Magneto operate on a far larger scale. Both have long-term plans and goals. Both have their own(very different)ideas of how the world should be, and are willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.

The irony, as you so correctly point out, is that Magneto has simply become the Mutant Fuhrer, willing to slaughter the "inferior" humans in order to protect his, "Master Race." Magneto and Professor Xavier, who believes in peaceful co-existence between Homo Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Superior, have often been compared to Malcom X and Martin Luther King, respectively.I've been very disappointed by Magneto of late. His plan in the first X-men film, was simply to turn everyone into mutants. His plan in the comics, was simply to make an island and/or a satellite for mutants.

What is cool about Magneto, is his mastery of his powers. He came up with a way to manipulate the extra iron in the guard's blood, to draw them together into solid metal balls, and then used them to destroy his glass walls. But what was really clever, was how he turned 2 of the balls into a flat disc to support his weight. He seems to have a real knack for using his powers extremely creatively.

He's more like a crazy ISTP, than an INTJ.

This is my major problem with Batman; the Joker has escaped captivity countless times and killed innocent people while he's free. But the so-called Dark Knight simply punches him a few times and throws him back in jail or Arkham Asylum. Until the next time.:rolleyes:Fi values. Batman fights for "justice", which he perceives as being meted out punishment via the courts. The courts incarcerate the Joker, but won't kill him. So neither can Batman.

He could kill his enemies for expediency, like the way that the Joker kills people for expediency. But the Joker is a criminal, and if the Batman stoops to his level, then the Batman is no better than the Joker.

Of course, this is mainly due to lazy writing; if they kill off the Joker, they piss off the fans and have to think up a new Big Bad for Batman to fight.The Batman has tons of baddies in the comics. Pretty much everyone in Arkham Asylum, and it's chock-full of supervillains.

But I've always preferred anti-heroes like Dredd or the Punisher who just put a round(or ten)into the bad guy. Much more efficient.:cool:True. But the Punisher is a clear SP, and Dredd is a total STJ. INTJs talk about efficiency a lot. But usually, Sensors have already got halfway through the job, by the time that INTJs have stopped talking about how inefficient the current system is. It's just way more efficient to shut up about efficiency, and get on with the job.

Daftendirekt

03-13-2013, 04:30 PM

JudgeDavid

03-15-2013, 02:57 PM

JamesCarstairs

03-17-2013, 07:58 PM

Professor Snape and Gandalf the Grey

Plausible

03-18-2013, 03:15 AM

Gordo from Lizzie McGuire.

Cacao

03-18-2013, 07:46 AM

davai

03-18-2013, 10:07 AM

Watched it aLL I loved IT!!!

Awesome! They made a few specials too, Blackadder: Back & Forth (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) in particular is worth watching.

scorpiomover

03-18-2013, 12:54 PM

davai

03-18-2013, 12:57 PM

Ironic. It's Classic British Humour.

What's ironic?

scorpiomover

03-18-2013, 01:49 PM

What's ironic?Blackadder is about an INTJ. INTJs here seem to think that the UK is ISTJ.

For one.

davai

03-18-2013, 02:03 PM

Blackadder is about an INTJ. INTJs here seem to think that the UK is ISTJ.

Oh i see. Well they'd be right in terms of frequency i suppose. I can't think of any other UK comedies with an INTJ as the main character.

For one.

For another?

JudgeDavid

03-19-2013, 01:50 PM

Wilson Fisk, AKA the Kingpin.

Highly intelligent, utterly ruthless, a brilliant strategist who is an expert in setting long term goals, and manipulating people to achieve them. The Marvel Max version starts off as bodyguard/leg-breaker to a Mafia boss. He convinces the Don to use his idea of setting up a fake Kingpin to draw the attention of the Punisher, allowing the rest of the Mafia bosses to hire a special assassin to kill Frank Castle.

The Mafia give Fisk a budget of millions of dollars to set up the fake identity. Fisk assumes the identity of the Kingpin, steals the money and has his own men kill all the other bosses, leaving him in complete control of Organized Crime(at least in New York and the surrounding area).

Fisk is utterly ruthless and single-minded, even allowing his only son to be killed in order to hold on to power. He rarely shows any strong emotion, although he does express regret at the death of his son.

---------- Post added 03-19-2013 at 11:59 PM ----------

1) Working solo does not make one an Introvert. The fact that he does things himself is an Extroverted trait. Did you read the description that I linked to?

2) Using gadgets does not make one an introvert or intuitive. He's an extrovert who said "Hey, Alfred, got any ideas? Hey Lucius, what have you got that can help me?" If he was an IN type he would have sat down and said "Let me figure out what I can build to help me" but instead his first reaction was "Let me go ask the experts" - very very ES approach.

3) A "confident loner" who is so aware of his surroundings, his family business, and is so socially savvy as to hoodwink his own board of directors? Not to mention take a few European minxes out for a night on the town to appear like a normal bachelor? A confident loner, that when a friend told him that he didn't understand criminals he said "You know what? She's right. I'm gonna go become one!" - an INTJ would probably never do that. That has ES written all over it.

4) I assert that an IN wouldn't fight at all. Think Scarecrow. He makes poisons and sprays them at people then runs away. It takes someone with extroverted, in the moment focus to fight.

No way I could let this one slide. Dr Doom is an INTJ: he killed a lion with a single blow of his bare hand. He wasn't even wearing his armor!:wideeyed:

Wilson Fisk/the Kingpin: criminal Mastermind, uses henchmen etc, but perfectly capable of going toe-to-toe with Daredevil, the Punisher and the Red Skull. Master of several martial arts, including Hapkido and Sumo Wrestling.

Moriarty: fights Holmes to the death in the original novel. In the film, A Game of Shadows, he is the ex-Boxing Champion of Cambridge and Holmes admits that he could not defeat him in his current(wounded)condition.

Hannibal Lecter: beat, killed and mutilated two cops while escaping in SOTL. Has repeatedly demonstrated that he is a dangerous opponent, especially if he has access to edged weapons. Trained in Kendo/Kenjutsu.

Dexter Morgan: Black Belt in Jujutsu. Often uses a Rear Naked Choke to subdue victims. Was able to overpower Sgt Doakes, who was bigger, stronger and a trained Cop/ex-Army Ranger.

Emperor Palpatine: killed several Jedi Masters in Lightsaber Combat(the debate still rages about whether or not he actually needed Anakin's help to overcome Windu or if it was merely a ploy to turn him fully to the Dark Side). Fought Yoda, arguably the greatest ever Jedi Master, and handed him his green, wrinkled ass.:devilish:

Ozymandias: a Martial Artist of Superhuman ability. Killed the Comedian in single combat. Fights and defeats both Night Owl and Rorschach at the same time, almost effortlessly. He doesn't break a sweat. Reflexes are so fast he can catch a bullet with his bare hands.

Gandalf: fights and kills the Balrog. After his re-birth as Gandalf the White, fights at Minas Tirith.

Odin: God of the Runes, Death, Poetry - but also one of the Norse Gods of War. Odin is constantly scheming to gain power and delay Ragnarok - the Doom of the Gods - but also knows that he will eventually fall in that last battle. The Norsemen called the Berserker Rage, "Odin's Gift".

Loki(Movie version)Indisputably a Mastermind; he plans to take over the whole world, and even believes he's doing the right thing since humans were, "made to be ruled". Pimp-slaps Captain America and manages to injure Thor himself(although he loses the fight and then gets smashed by the Hulk in the movie's best scene:laugh:)

Bane: Criminal Mastermind. He is able to discern Batman's secret identity and frees the inmates of Arkham Asylum, including the Joker, in order to test the limits of Batman's physical and mental endurance. Only attacks the Dark Knight when he is exhausted. But even during later fights, when Batman is at full strength, Bane has proven himself able to fight the Dark Knight to a standstill; Batman has only ever comprehensively beaten Bane on one occasion. His strength, reflexes and stamina are at the peak of human ability and he developed his own brutal fighting style while in prison.

Grendel: criminal mastermind, best-selling author and a world class Fencer. Has killed as many as a dozen armed men in one fight.

Ra's al Ghal: has centuries of experience in hand to hand combat and is particularly adept at Sword Fighting; he defeated Bane with almost contemptuous ease, telling him, "I have crossed swords in the courts of Louis XII through XVI. I have bested the fencing masters of Heidelberg at the Fin de Seicle. I have killed more men in duels than you have had days on this planet. I have been the last man standing in a Cossack Fighting Circle. And you? Perhaps you read a book on Fencing once."

Thanos: so tough he can fight Thor and the Thing at the same time. Vast superhuman strength and durability, limitless stamina, superhuman reflexes. Trained in the art of war on his home planet(which he later destroyed)Titan.

Nick Fury: Brilliant tactician who has been fighting since WWII. The Punisher describes him as the, "Ultimate Black Ops hard-case. Long before I stepped off a C-130 at Da Nang, Fury and his team had set fire to half of Asia."

The INTJ aspects of Fury are particularly explicit in the Ultimates version, where he manipulates allies and enemies alike with equal precision. In one story, an assassin is hired to kill Fury using one of only two prototypes of the world's most advanced sniper's rifle. He eventually tracks Fury down to a safe house. He looks through the sniper rifle's scope...to see Fury looking back at him, holding the other prototype. Fury had hired the assassin himself, since it was the only way to draw him out of hiding.

The Red Skull: as a teenager he manipulated his best friend into attempting to kill Hitler, so he could gain access to the Nazi inner circle by saving the Fuhrer, and killing his childhood friend in the process. Olympic level athlete highly trained in weapons and unarmed combat. Has fought Captain America countless times.

Being an INTJ does not mean one is a coward or incapable of physical violence. It simply means an INTJ will only fight when "the Plan" requires it or it is the most efficient way to resolve a situation.

9272

03-19-2013, 05:35 PM

? So you're saying lecter is an INTJ again?

Fought Yoda, arguably the greatest ever Jedi Master, and handed him his green, wrinkled ass.

That was a tie, and Yoda was like 900 at the time.

JudgeDavid

03-19-2013, 05:59 PM

? So you're saying lecter is an INTJ again?

That was a tie, and Yoda was like 900 at the time.

"When six wise men tell you that you are sick - go to bed."
- Old Jewish proverb.

The consensus seems to be that Hannibal is One of Us. While I find that slightly disturbing, it would seem arrogant to assert that everyone else is wrong and only I am right. Especially since I'm still very much a Noob.

Interestingly, while many people argue about the validity of typing Holmes, Batman, Dexter or Dr House as INTJ, almost no one seems to doubt Hannibal's MBTI. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I am forced to conclude that my objections to including Hannibal in the list of fictional INTJ's is due more to my personal dislike of the character rather than any fault in his Typing.

It wasn't a Tie; Yoda turned and ran because he knew he couldn't beat the Emperor.:devilish:

PS: The only reason I didn't include your Avatar in my list of Bad Ass INTJ's is that Magneto generally prefers to use his powers rather than physically fight with his opponents. Of course, if I could Bench Press a submarine just by thinking about it, I wouldn't bother throwing too many punches either.;D

Daftendirekt

03-29-2013, 05:19 PM

I'm not sure if Patrick Jane from The Mentalist has been discussed but he looks kind of like it. He may be an E instead of I, but I don't think that he is actually showing the full picture of himself, it's probably a fake extrovert mask, so I'd say he's an INTJ.

Correcting myself. I'm perfectly sure he is not INTJ.
He is definite ENTP, if anyone cares, I want to contribute, maybe someone finds it interesting one day.

E - high E after all, even though I thought he is just low I, no, he is E, a lot!
NT - in one episode, he says to one character how he should always trust his intuition and that it is always right, just follow intuition. If you watch a single episode, he is huge thinker, therefore, T.
P - well, if he were J, he'd be more punctual, not so careless, and he is relaxed.

He also loves arguing, which is like a trademark for ENTPs. I know only one ENTP, and yes, she is a huge arguer.

9272

03-29-2013, 06:07 PM

Interestingly, while many people argue about the validity of typing Holmes, Batman, Dexter or Dr House as INTJ, almost no one seems to doubt Hannibal's MBTI.

I think you were onto something there with the no goals thing though, it's actually quite possible he's ISTP, but i'd need more real life experience with tested ISTP's to be sure.And people probably argue about those typings because they are portrayed in a positive light instead of being villains, can't have that. I don't watch house though.

It wasn't a Tie; Yoda turned and ran because he knew he couldn't beat the Emperor.

The emperor called for backup because he couldn't beat Yoda.

I'd say Bane was ENTJ, the conflict with inferior Fi is seen when it's revealed he did it merely for the girl he was fond of. Didn't come off as INTJ to me.

I might say the same thing about Thanos, as i remember in the 3rd grade i read on the back of some marvel card that he does what he does only to attract lady death doesn't he?

Nick fury has to have Si in his set, i'd say ESTJ.

In the movies i could concede Ras(spelling?) was INTJ, i just didn't want to because batman was already clearly INTJ, but there's really nothing else he could be.

I don't know anything about Redskull, but i'd say Apocalypse was INTJ for sure.

I remember reading on the back of cards how it said many many supervillains were adept in fighting for themselves but preferred to remain behind the scenes until absolutely necessary.

JudgeDavid

04-03-2013, 09:04 AM

I think you were onto something there with the no goals thing though, it's actually quite possible he's ISTP, but i'd need more real life experience with tested ISTP's to be sure.And people probably argue about those typings because they are portrayed in a positive light instead of being villains, can't have that. I don't watch house though.

The emperor called for backup because he couldn't beat Yoda.

I'd say Bane was ENTJ, the conflict with inferior Fi is seen when it's revealed he did it merely for the girl he was fond of. Didn't come off as INTJ to me.

I might say the same thing about Thanos, as i remember in the 3rd grade i read on the back of some marvel card that he does what he does only to attract lady death doesn't he?

Nick fury has to have Si in his set, i'd say ESTJ.

In the movies i could concede Ras(spelling?) was INTJ, i just didn't want to because batman was already clearly INTJ, but there's really nothing else he could be.

I don't know anything about Redskull, but i'd say Apocalypse was INTJ for sure.

I remember reading on the back of cards how it said many many supervillains were adept in fighting for themselves but preferred to remain behind the scenes until absolutely necessary.

I concede your point about Thanos. As for Bane, one of my many disappointments with DKR was how Bane was so different from the comic book version; while he was in love with Talia in the comics, he never would have committed suicide for her. Bane's objectives were to break Batman and take over Gotham - not destroy it.

Apocalypse, ironically, is my result on the Super Villians test!:laugh:

I'm not sure about Fury being ESTJ; if I recall correctly, they are one of the Guardian types. While it's true that Ultimate Fury does fulfill this role, he is also exceptionally cunning and has long term plans. And he doesn't really care who he hurts in the process. He is highly adept at manipulating people to do what he wants. Including getting Captain America to mortally wound his own son.:shocked: While Cap's son in the Ultimate Marvel Universe is the Red Skull, that does not detract from the sheer ruthlessness Fury displays.

In the Marvel Max Universe, Fury is shown to be willing to attempt to save Hitler's life, simply because he enjoys war and doesn't want the Allies to spoil his fun by beating the Nazis. In another story arc, Fury takes a SHIELD team to stop a former Spetznaz officer from starting WWIII. The team are wiped out, along with the Russian mercs and most of the inhabitants of a small island nation. Fury and Gregaren, the Spetznaz officer, fight to the death. Gregaren tells Fury,

"You're not pissed because all these people died. You're pissed because you lost...be honest with yourself for once. I'll say it and you just nod you head:

If I hadn't come down here and started this, you'd have done it yourself."

Although Fury kills him soon after(by strangling him with his own intestines!)he later admits that Gagaren was right.

I don't think there's any argument for Moriarty, the Kingpin, Dr Doom, Grendal, the Emperor and Ozymandias being anything but INTJ. The same goes for Gandalf and, possibly, Saruman as well. I also stand by by typing of the Red Skull, Odin - Tolkien admitted that Gandalf was inspired by Odin/Woden - and Loki. All of them are schemers, experts at manipulating people and events. While none of them will fight for the sake of it, all are Bad Asses of the highest level.

What about Count Dracula? How would you type him?

9272

04-03-2013, 10:13 AM

Damn, my response got deleted. Anyways Dracula really comes off as INFJ to me, always has.

From what you say fury sounds SP, especially ESTP.Sometimes characters come out differently, like robert downey junior has played INTJ characters that come out looking ENTP due to his personality. In the first Ironman he seems INTJ, but in avengers it's just the actors personality. In the sherlock holmes movies you can see the INTJ functions, but he still retains the actors personality so he's ENTP.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

That guy is INTJ for sure, and probably the best villain of the series complete with his own theme.Definitely a badass, he's consumed with his desire to fulfill the vision of his inferior Se by performing experiments on others to gain more knowledge and immortality. He's killed multiple times and because of his contingency planning ALWAYS manages to come back.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Itachi is iNTJ too, manipulating the entire fight and planning it for years before it took place. Long long video that i don't expect you to watch though

JudgeDavid

04-03-2013, 01:40 PM

scorpiomover

04-03-2013, 05:33 PM

Really? I'm surprised you see Dracula as an Idealist. While the best versions of the Count show him with a(very)twisted code of honor, he is still utterly ruthless, sadistic and of course in the most literal sense of the word, bloodthirsty .Dracula lives to feed his thirst. No grand plans for world domination, or attempts to improve systems there.

TheGreatSwagsby

04-03-2013, 05:42 PM

Correcting myself. I'm perfectly sure he is not INTJ.
He is definite ENTP, if anyone cares, I want to contribute, maybe someone finds it interesting one day.

E - high E after all, even though I thought he is just low I, no, he is E, a lot!
NT - in one episode, he says to one character how he should always trust his intuition and that it is always right, just follow intuition. If you watch a single episode, he is huge thinker, therefore, T.
P - well, if he were J, he'd be more punctual, not so careless, and he is relaxed.

He also loves arguing, which is like a trademark for ENTPs. I know only one ENTP, and yes, she is a huge arguer.

The fact that you even bother to judge someones P/J metric rather than looking at their specific function use tells me you don't fully understand how this works yet. The guy in the mentalist is a textbook INTJ. Not all introverts are shy.

JudgeDavid

04-04-2013, 10:56 AM

Dracula lives to feed his thirst. No grand plans for world domination, or attempts to improve systems there.

Fair point. But again, this takes me back to my problem with Hannibal, who so many people in this Forum seem to believe is INTJ: Hannibal lives to feed his hunger. He has no grand plans(beyond escape and/or revenge). Yet the vast majority of people here type Hannibal as INTJ.

So why is Hannibal an INTJ and not Dracula, when both are driven by their respective appetites?

scorpiomover

04-04-2013, 12:25 PM

Fair point. But again, this takes me back to my problem with Hannibal, who so many people in this Forum seem to believe is INTJ: Hannibal lives to feed his hunger. He has no grand plans(beyond escape and/or revenge). Yet the vast majority of people here type Hannibal as INTJ.

So why is Hannibal an INTJ and not Dracula, when both are driven by their respective appetites?I can see your issue. I can't speak about the Hannibal in "Red Dragon", because I didn't watch it. But the Hannibal in "Silence of the lambs", has been imprisoned for years, and yet shows no sign of withdrawls, as one sees with Dracula. Hannibal also is selective on who he kills, based on his values. He ate one person because he was "rude". His desire for killing is controlled by, and subject to, his intellect.

Dexter is a more interesting case, because Dexter clearly has a hunger for killing, and when it is denied, he clearly goes through withdrawls. But he regards this desire, as separate from his self. He strives to control it, even thought he can't always do so. He also tries to only select those that did horrible things to other people that would make them worthy of capital punishment, but would not get the punishment they deserve via the courts. His desires are also subject to his intellect and his personal values.

Dracula, however, has a hunger to feed, that he doesn't wish to control. He wishes to give in to his passions. He even sees his thirst, as a fundamental part of his being a vampire, and being a vampire the defining element of his identity. He could see himself as a human who has been infected with the T-virus, as in Resident Evil. He could see himself as a human with some odd dietary requirements that if unsatisfied, could bring death, such as those with diabetes, or those with a severe ulcer. But he doesn't. Dracula thinks of his desire for blood, as intrinsic to his identity, and so it must rule his intellect, and his intellect only serves to help him fill his thirst.

JudgeDavid

04-04-2013, 12:32 PM

I can see your issue. I can't speak about the Hannibal in "Red Dragon", because I didn't watch it. But the Hannibal in "Silence of the lambs", has been imprisoned for years, and yet shows no sign of withdrawls, as one sees with Dracula. Hannibal also is selective on who he kills, based on his values. He ate one person because he was "rude". His desire for killing is controlled by, and subject to, his intellect.

Dexter is a more interesting case, because Dexter clearly has a hunger for killing, and when it is denied, he clearly goes through withdrawls. But he regards this desire, as separate from his self. He strives to control it, even thought he can't always do so. He also tries to only select those that did horrible things to other people that would make them worthy of capital punishment, but would not get the punishment they deserve via the courts. His desires are also subject to his intellect and his personal values.

Dracula, however, has a hunger to feed, that he doesn't wish to control. He wishes to give in to his passions. He even sees his thirst, as a fundamental part of his being a vampire, and being a vampire the defining element of his identity. He could see himself as a human who has been infected with the T-virus, as in Resident Evil. He could see himself as a human with some odd dietary requirements that if unsatisfied, could bring death, such as those with diabetes, or those with a severe ulcer. But he doesn't. Dracula thinks of his desire for blood, as intrinsic to his identity, and so it must rule his intellect, and his intellect only serves to help him fill his thirst.

Thank you. That was a very well written and thought provoking reply. My initial argument that neither Hannibal nor Dexter were INTJ's was based on the fact that they do not seem to have any long term plans beyond revenge, not getting caught or, in a worst case scenario, escape.

Do you think having a, "Master Plan" is intrinsic to being an INTJ, or do some INTJ's simply prefer to occupy themselves with smaller scale, short or medium term goals?

Badger

04-04-2013, 12:40 PM

Do you think having a, "Master Plan" is intrinsic to being an INTJ, or do some INTJ's simply prefer to occupy themselves with smaller scale, short or medium term goals?

I'd like to chime in. I have a short term plan, but my medium plan is fuzzy, and for my long term plan I feel like i am settling. Not having a clear 5 year and 20 year plan is killing me. I've been trying to fix that for the last year. I don't know if that is any different with INTP's or other types, I just know I have read it was typical with INTJ's, and I have it in spades.

scorpiomover

04-04-2013, 01:20 PM

Thank you. That was a very well written and thought provoking reply. My initial argument that neither Hannibal nor Dexter were INTJ's was based on the fact that they do not seem to have any long term plans beyond revenge, not getting caught or, in a worst case scenario, escape.

Do you think having a, "Master Plan" is intrinsic to being an INTJ, or do some INTJ's simply prefer to occupy themselves with smaller scale, short or medium term goals?The people I met who had their life planned out, usually were the types to have a long-term career plan, like ENTJs, possibly ESTJs, something like that.

INTJs are dominant, and mostly reliant, on Ni. It seems to me, that they use their Ni to come up with quick solutions to problems that occur unexpectedly, and so wouldn't normally fit into a plan. So I think they like being able to come up with a plan on the spur of the moment, but not necessarily having everything planned out in advance. When they do have a longer-term plan, it's more like a long-term project, something they want to happen now, but will take time to implement, like a strategy, a strategic plan, more than a plan in general.

INTJs also like to give others the impression that they are in control. So they like to portray that they already had a plan, even when they didn't.

Also, I'm not so sure that they are the only ones to plan. I've seen them write that they like to think about escape scenarios. But ever since I watched a programme about air safety and that that it's very important to mark out your escape route in advance, every time I get on a plane, I look for the nearest exit, and plan out exactly how I'd get out in pitch black and smoke, just in case. That's just my Ti worrying about every possible eventuality. But it still qualifies.

The things that I notice in INTJs that I don't really see that much in others, are their tendency to keep using the word "efficient", to want everyone to think they always have the perfect answer, even when it is clear to everyone they don't, a tendency to criticise every system for their inefficiencies in the system. There are probably more. But those are what I recall on the top of my head.

JudgeDavid

04-04-2013, 02:53 PM

Scorpion, it's very interesting to get an, "outsider's" view on my Type. Thank you.

JonsterMonster

04-04-2013, 03:15 PM

Been watching some Blackadder again lately where Rowan Atkinson portrays a pretty good example. The 1st series the character is a bit different, more like a comical over exaggeration of an INTJ. I'd recommend watching stuff from series 2, 3 or 4 for the best example.

I'm from the UK, and it still amuses me watching Hugh Laurie in Blackadder, then watching him in House. Brilliant actor, was so convincing when he went for he part, that the team didnt know he wasnt American, his accent was that good.

I like the fact House gets classified as an INTJ. That'll give me a new perspective next time I watch the box set.

Dexter as well. Going to have to keep a close eye on the rest of my favourite shows to spot INTJs.

---------- Post added 04-04-2013 at 11:20 PM ----------

Someone mentioned Dr Cox from Scrubs. Never really struck me as an INTJ before, but when I think about it some more, I can see it.

Can anyone tell me if there's a character in Chuck that's an INTJ? That would help me immensely.

CHUB

04-04-2013, 08:38 PM

I would be more inclined to think that as The Grey, Gandalf is an INTP, whereas once he goes to The White, he is an INTJ, like Saruman.

Also, 'Mithrandir' is the name people from Gondor and Numenor call him, not a name for him in The White state.

---------- Post added 04-04-2013 at 11:42 PM ----------

In the books Sherlock comes off as borderline INTJ/P. In most movies and TV shows (Sherlock FTW!), however, he comes off much more INTP-like, with a total disregard for cleanliness, safety, politeness, efficiency, etc.

---------- Post added 04-04-2013 at 11:46 PM ----------

I was thinking maybe Monk, from Monk. He does have the total focus on knowledge and inefficiency when working, but when he's not totally buried in though, he tries to make everything as orderly as he possibly he can, like some INTJs do.

9272

04-04-2013, 09:11 PM

I would be more inclined to think that as The Grey, Gandalf is an INTP

Why? I was tempted to think this recently until i compared him to actual INTP characters and saw that they were nothing alike

scorpiomover

04-05-2013, 01:01 AM

Someone mentioned Dr Cox from Scrubs. Never really struck me as an INTJ before, but when I think about it some more, I can see it.Got all the hyper-critical nature. Works out constantly, but only to feed his own ego.

Can anyone tell me if there's a character in Chuck that's an INTJ? That would help me immensely.I thought Chuck was.

---------- Post added 04-05-2013 at 09:04 AM ----------

Why? I was tempted to think this recently until i compared him to actual INTP characters and saw that they were nothing alikeGandalf is about 2000-3000 years old, and found his niche in life.

You have to compare him to mature INTPs that have done that, to see if he's an INTP.

JudgeDavid

04-05-2013, 01:30 AM

scorpiomover

04-05-2013, 04:48 AM

Great line from Cumberbatch:

"I'm not a Psychopath - I'm a High Functioning Sociopath! Do you're research!":cool:I noticed several years ago, that there was a difference between the way people talked about a psychopath and a sociopath. A psychopath seemed to be someone who knew society's moral code, but chose to ignore that, and do what he wanted to anyway. A sociopath seemed to be someone who kept to a moral code, but simply had developed a different moral code than the rest of society.

JudgeDavid

04-06-2013, 09:05 AM

I noticed several years ago, that there was a difference between the way people talked about a psychopath and a sociopath. A psychopath seemed to be someone who knew society's moral code, but chose to ignore that, and do what he wanted to anyway. A sociopath seemed to be someone who kept to a moral code, but simply had developed a different moral code than the rest of society.

In the final episode of the last season, Sherlock faces off against Moriarty and tells him,

"Just because I'm on the side of the angels, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm one of them."

Moriarty looks into Sherlock's eyes for a moment and then says, "No...you're not one of them. You're like me."

The obvious implication is that the only real difference between Cumberbatch's Sherlock and Moriarty is that Sherlock chooses to live by a code that restrains(for the most part)his darker impulses.

Plausible

04-06-2013, 10:38 AM

Katniss Everdeen from The Hunger Games.

scorpiomover

04-08-2013, 10:10 AM

In the final episode of the last season, Sherlock faces off against Moriarty and tells him,

"Just because I'm on the side of the angels, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm one of them."

Moriarty looks into Sherlock's eyes for a moment and then says, "No...you're not one of them. You're like me."

The obvious implication is that the only real difference between Cumberbatch's Sherlock and Moriarty is that Sherlock chooses to live by a code that restrains(for the most part)his darker impulses.Authors often want to portray the hero and the villain as being two sides of the same coin, one working for good and one for evil. Like He-Man vs Skeletor, and Dr Who vs The Master. It makes the audience feel that there is someone who has all the abilities of the villain, but working for them, and so they feel safe that they are protected from evil.

If we don't discount that plot device, then super-heroes and their corresponding super-villains would have to be the same type. Then The Joker would be INTJ, because Batman is, and Superman would be INTJ, because Lex Luthor is.

Badger

04-08-2013, 10:35 AM

Authors often want to portray the hero and the villain as being two sides of the same coin, one working for good and one for evil. Like He-Man vs Skeletor, and Dr Who vs The Master. It makes the audience feel that there is someone who has all the abilities of the villain, but working for them, and so they feel safe that they are protected from evil.

If we don't discount that plot device, then super-heroes and their corresponding super-villains would have to be the same type. Then The Joker would be INTJ, because Batman is, and Superman would be INTJ, because Lex Luthor is.

But in the BBC Sherlock are they following the MBTI, or is Moriarty calling Sherlock a sociopath? I ask this because the question of whether or not the MBTI was used has been brought up before.

9272

04-08-2013, 11:56 AM

JudgeDavid

04-08-2013, 01:13 PM

I find that fictional characters follow an MBTI assignment whether they were created to or not, it's why i think the designations are so accurate. Moriarty and Sherlock might be the same type(even if robert downey junior brings and undeniable ENTP flair to the character) but that doesn't ring true with all heroes and villains by far.

The latest(and easily one of the best) portrayals of the joker was textbook ENTP and authors might sometimes create characters who either rival each other in some way(ENTP vs INTJ) or are just completely opposing as is the case with superman vs lex luthor.

Ledger's version of the Joker was absolutely stunning. I could not take my eyes off him and he stole every scene, including the ones he played with Batman.

I would have thought Luthor(the comic book version if not the one in Smallville)to be a textbook INTJ.

scorpiomover

04-08-2013, 02:03 PM

I would have thought Luthor(the comic book version if not the one in Smallville)to be a textbook INTJ.He is. Every attribute that one might think of with an INTJ, he has more of than almost anyone else.

JudgeDavid

04-09-2013, 01:10 PM

He is. Every attribute that one might think of with an INTJ, he has more of than almost anyone else.

At the moment, I'm re-reading one of my favorite comic books, Superman: Red Sun. It has arguably the best version of Luthor; he "defeats" Superman and goes on to turn the world into a Utopian paradise.:cool:

---------- Post added 04-09-2013 at 09:16 PM ----------

Authors often want to portray the hero and the villain as being two sides of the same coin, one working for good and one for evil. Like He-Man vs Skeletor, and Dr Who vs The Master. It makes the audience feel that there is someone who has all the abilities of the villain, but working for them, and so they feel safe that they are protected from evil.

If we don't discount that plot device, then super-heroes and their corresponding super-villains would have to be the same type. Then The Joker would be INTJ, because Batman is, and Superman would be INTJ, because Lex Luthor is.

I remember reading a Batman novel years ago. In the preface, the author examines the character and likens him to Dracula. His theory was that Batman shared Dracula's inhuman competence and terrifying appearance. He was a "tame" Creature of the Night.

Dexter is another obvious example: the "good" Serial Killer.

davai

04-12-2013, 09:54 AM

Gaius Octavian (Augustus) from the TV series of Rome.

9272

04-12-2013, 04:02 PM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The only INTJ superman

TheStranger

04-12-2013, 04:22 PM

Dexter is another obvious example: the "good" Serial Killer.

Even if Dexter had completely adhered to his code, I wouldn't consider him good, or even neutral. Fact is, he has strayed from the code more than once, so he's not even the paragon of strict, disciplined justice. Dexter is not the most convincing thought experiment, bu he is an interesting one at least.

JudgeDavid

04-13-2013, 02:15 PM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The only INTJ superman

I thought the Superman in Red Sun was close, especially since Brainiac tells him that they have essentially the same views and goals.

What story is that pic from? I don't read DC regularly.

Jefferson69

04-13-2013, 05:12 PM

I didn't read all 46 pages of this. Has anyone said Bones yet?

back

04-13-2013, 05:27 PM

Ive been compared to darcy from pride and prejudice and a guy from californication that goes to strip clubs. None of those books/series i read/saw.
I loved calvin and hobbes, and think calvin is intj

Jefferson69

04-13-2013, 05:39 PM

Bones from the TV show of the same name.

9272

04-13-2013, 08:32 PM

I thought the Superman in Red Sun was close, especially since Brainiac tells him that they have essentially the same views and goals.

What story is that pic from? I don't read DC regularly.

After doomsday kills him and 4 new supermen appear

JudgeDavid

04-14-2013, 02:48 PM

Mr Church from Johnathan Mayberry's Joe Leger novels.

Mr Church, aka Deacon and Saint Germain(no one seems to know his real name)runs the Department of Military Sciences, a Federal Agency that defends the US against Zombies, Vampires and various other "supernatural" threats.

Church is described as being in his sixties but still very fit and strong. His background is a mystery but it is strongly hinted that he was one the CIA's top field Agents. He rarely, if ever, shows strong emotion; Joe Ledger calls him a, "Vulcan" and another character states that Church would turn up at his own autopsy wearing a suit and tie and tell the ME how to carry out the procedure.

Church is a master strategist; he stole(from neo-Nazis)a computer program called Mind Reader that lets him hack any system in the world. He uses this not only to gather evidence on potential threats but also, it is strongly implied, to find leverage against members of his own government who might get in his way. It's a running joke in the series that Church always seems to have a, "Friend in the Industry" who can supply the DMS with whatever they need: state of the art weapons, technology etc.

Church is utterly ruthless; he locks Joe Ledger in a room with a Zombie(actually a terrorist who has been infected with genetically engineered retro-virus)simply to test his potential to join the DMS. When Ledger asks if he is the only person to have been "interviewed" in this manner, Church admits that there were other, "candidates" and at least one of them was killed.

Plausible

04-16-2013, 01:36 PM

Mitsuko-Battle Royale

trevarthan

04-16-2013, 02:04 PM

Bones has a strange character. Anyone know why she has such a hard time communicating with people? She comes across as very dense. I don't think that's an INTJ thing. I love that show.

Does anyone else chuckle when Angela pretends to use a computer?

I'm sure everyone has already mentioned Walt from Breaking Bad. I need one of his hats:
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm pretty sure some of Alastair Reynold's characters are INTJs.

scorpiomover

04-16-2013, 03:04 PM

I'm sure everyone has already mentioned Walt from Breaking Bad. I need one of his hats:
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.'s an IxTx. Not sure of much else.

Jefferson69

04-16-2013, 06:16 PM

9272

04-17-2013, 03:56 AM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

JudgeDavid

04-26-2013, 04:02 AM

Dr Octopus. Scientific genius, superb strategist, introverted.

Badger

04-26-2013, 06:12 AM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

---------- Post added 04-26-2013 at 08:17 AM ----------

And possibly this guy:
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. xQLVrexN2Q0bKCuESVi

9272

04-26-2013, 01:19 PM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. nMWd-QMA-7BYxR-C307UQ

This guy

9272

04-29-2013, 02:13 AM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

JudgeDavid

04-30-2013, 09:43 AM

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I disagree; Neo had no real Plan. He just followed the orders of Morpheus, the Oracle etc.

He was a soldier, not a mastermind, IMHO.

scorpiomover

04-30-2013, 12:24 PM

I disagree; Neo had no real Plan. He just followed the orders of Morpheus, the Oracle etc.

He was a soldier, not a mastermind, IMHO.Yeah, but he was cool, though, wasn't he?

And he was excellent at fighting.

And he had a hot girlfriend.

If he was an INTJ, then wouldn't that mean that ALL INTJs are cool, excellent at fighting, and hot girls fancy them?

JudgeDavid

04-30-2013, 01:22 PM

Yeah, but he was cool, though, wasn't he?

And he was excellent at fighting.

And he had a hot girlfriend.

If he was an INTJ, then wouldn't that mean that ALL INTJs are cool, excellent at fighting, and hot girls fancy them?

I lol'd!:laugh:

Of course, we know that all INTJ's are cool, excellent fighters who are lusted after by hot women/men.

It's just the rest of the world that somehow doesn't realize this. The poor, deluded fools!:cool:

dexter

05-04-2013, 02:14 PM

I don't know if anyone's mentioned her, but I've watched the movie "Girl, Interrupted" today and I think Susanna Kaysen is an INTJ. Definitely an introvert, seems to think strategically (at least when she's not following Lisa lol).

9272

05-04-2013, 04:05 PM

I disagree; Neo had no real Plan. He just followed the orders of Morpheus, the Oracle etc.

What function does the vision of the matrix represent? It's a really good representation of Ni and if not INTJ what else could he be? You could say INFJ but you'd have to explain the conversation he and the architect have about the difference between Fi and Fe, where Neo favours Fi.

It worked for lecter and i'm convinced that he could be ISTP, but you can't apply that same formula to all people.

Of course, we know that all INTJ's are cool, excellent fighters who are lusted after by hot women/men.

It's just the rest of the world that somehow doesn't realize this. The poor, deluded fools!

And then some people are just butthurt that they didn't get the result themselves.

scorpiomover

05-05-2013, 05:15 AM

What function does the vision of the matrix represent?It's how Ti-doms see the world. Literally.

Several INTP women on a forum for INTPs, expressed their bodies as "flesh suits", because that's how even INTP females see their own physical self, as a digital representation filled in by a simplistic flesh covering.

It's a really good representation of Ni and if not INTJ what else could he be?It's very clear to me, that to come to the vision that everything is a matrix in the first place, is driven by Ni. But it's driven subconsciously. If it was conscious, then Neo would have had to CHOOSE to stand there and hope the bullets firing at him, would just fall. If it was conscious Ni, Ni-dom would have to be so confident of his vision, that he puts his life in such a situation, where if he was the slightest bit wrong, he would be shot to pieces, and no amount of Ni could fix it later.

For an Ni-dom to have that level of belief in another area, say, that INTJs are the best at martial arts, he would have to put himself in a situation where if he was wrong, he would surely die. Te would surely tell the INTJ to not risk his life so stupidly, when he doesn't have to.

That's why Neo only saw the vision after he died. He had to die, so that his conscious was dead, and his subconscious could take over, and implant the Ni vision within him. Then once the vision was implanted, Ti recognised that it was entirely consistent, and it was as real as reality. Armed with that knowledge, the bullets themselves were pure data, undistinguishable from the real world. Then interaction with those bullets, with the real world itself, is just 2 computers talking to each other. Just because some data packets (the bullets) make a network request for a shutdown command on the remote computer (death of Neo), doesn't mean you have to follow it. You can simply say "I refuse to obey the command", and then the data packets are ignored, and thus appear to fall to the floor.

That's also why Agent Smith said that after he and Neo merged, and Neo killed him, and Agent Smith came back and met Neo again, Agent Smith said that he was "compelled to stay. Compelled to disobey." Neo had chosen to ignore the instructions of the Matrix. When jumped into Agent Smith's digital self, he ignored the Matrix telling him that no 2 digital selves can occupy the same space. When Neo entered into Agent Smith, his self merged with Agent Smith, and so Neo's refusal to obey, and his belief that one could disobey the rules of the Matrix, also became part of Agent Smith's memory banks. Neo overwrote Agent Smith's programming in this way. So, instead of always folowing the Matrix's rules, Neo's desire to disobey, and his understanding that he could disobey the rules of the Matrix, became part of the rules of Agent Smith's programming. Thus, Agent Smith could also disobey the Matrix's network request for self-deletion, and an inner complusion to disobey.

You could say INFJ but you'd have to explain the conversation he and the architect have about the difference between Fi and Fe, where Neo favours Fi.Classic argument between an INTx and an SP.

INTx: "You HAVE to do what I say. Anything else would be irrational."
SP: "No."
INTx: "Why not?"
SP: "I don't like being told what to do."