Metal

[HackerX]

As requested :D

We all know that quite a few NT's are fans of this wide and varying genre and/or it's sub genre's.

So this thread is to serve as a place to recommend some of your favourite metal artists and bands to the wider forum. Post up recommended songs, albums, examples on youtube etc, anything to give others an idea of where to start

Also, try and stick to the "real" metal.

Anyways, a couple of my own favourites:
Agalloch - Dark Metal (not quite black, not quite doom, not quite folk)

All three of their albums are worth getting. Songs in particular though -
Bloodbirds (Ashes Against The Grain)
She Painted Fire Across The Skyline - 1, 2 & 3 (Pale Folklore)


Drudkh - Ambient Black Metal (what Burzum would have sounded like if he had spent one more minute producing the songs)

Grab the first album, "Forgotten Legends". The wall of sound is just awesome.


Evoken - Doom/Death (considered one the best examples of this genre)

Get "Where Ghosts Fall Silent" (Quietus) for an example of just how atmospheric metal can get


Hmmm, that will do for now, I'll probably post more up as this thread gets bigger.

[radioactivez0r]

I've been very curious about Evoken for a long time, I probably have a mp3 somewhere. Ever since I found doommetal.com, I was hooked.

Lately I've had a taste for the more high energy, "power" metal stuff i.e. 3 Inches of Blood, Sonata Arctica - I intend to make a playlist to which I can work out.

Unfortunately, I've fallen way behind in discovering new music, and the last group of bands I was introduced to were all in the same general area of hyper-technical, very fast death metal - Origin, Necrophagist, Spawn of Possession. Necrophagist is fantastic; my favorite song thus far is Culinary Hyperversity. I stick to the reliable ones beyond that - Nile, Amon Amarth, Dying Fetus.

[Jezebel]

I've also been behind on discovering anything new. The last new album I got was Amon Amarth's "With Oden at Our Side". That was released last year wasn't it? Not that I'm listening to any less, I own a pretty big music collection that I haven't gotten bored with yet.

When I get some more time, I'll pick out some of my highlights and make a better post.

I've been very curious about Evoken for a long time, I probably have a mp3 somewhere.

I have the album Quietus, let me know if you want to hear it.

[HackerX]

I've also been behind on discovering anything new. The last new album I got was Amon Amarth's "With Oden at Our Side". That was released last year wasn't it? Not that I'm listening to any less, I own a pretty big music collection that I haven't gotten bored with yet.


Strangely enough, that was the last CD I bought, just recently.

[radioactivez0r]

I've also been behind on discovering anything new. The last new album I got was Amon Amarth's "With Oden at Our Side". That was released last year wasn't it? Not that I'm listening to any less, I own a pretty big music collection that I haven't gotten bored with yet.

When I get some more time, I'll pick out some of my highlights and make a better post.

I've been very curious about Evoken for a long time, I probably have a mp3 somewhere.

I have the album Quietus, let me know if you want to hear it.


Yes please.

I also believe that AA's releases continually improve. The more I listen to each successive record, the more impressed I am.

[HackerX]

TBH, I'm not a huge fan of AA's latest release. It's ok, but I was definately disappointed after buying it, I was expecting a lot more

[Cato the Younger]

Well, let's see. There's Scar Symmetry. I loved their latest album, "Pitch Black Progress." I haven't heard their first one yet. Gotta love some Melodic Death Metal.

The Agony Scene is another one of my favorites. Both "The Agony Scene" and "The Darkest Red" were great albums in my opinion. They are metalcore influenced.

There's also Becoming The Archetype with their album "Terminate Damnation." It seemed to contain a lot of epicness.

Demon Hunter and all three of their albums. I'm readily awaiting their latest.

[radioactivez0r]

I have both Becoming the Archetype records. Some of their stuff is really well done, and there only a few parts where I get a little bored. I considered Demon Hunter around the same time (yay Launchcast), but never got any.

[Capwolf]

As requested :D

We all know that quite a few NT's are fans of this wide and varying genre and/or it's sub genre's.

So this thread is to serve as a place to recommend some of your favourite metal artists and bands to the wider forum. Post up recommended songs, albums, examples on youtube etc, anything to give others an idea of where to start

Also, try and stick to the "real" metal.

What's "'real' metal"? Or, I guess, what's not?

[Jezebel]

What's "'real' metal"? Or, I guess, what's not?

Generally, nu-metal, rap metal, alternative metal, glam metal, and hard rock often get labeled as not being real metal.

[Cato the Younger]

I have both Becoming the Archetype records. Some of their stuff is really well done, and there only a few parts where I get a little bored. I considered Demon Hunter around the same time (yay Launchcast), but never got any.

They're good. Summer of Darkness was my favorite out of their 3 CDs.

[HackerX]

What's "'real' metal"? Or, I guess, what's not?

Generally, nu-metal, rap metal, alternative metal, glam metal, and hard rock often get labeled as not being real metal.

add hardcore/metalcore to that list :)

But... that's just to keep this thread limited to (from my point of view) the specific metal genre. Don't let that stop you starting another thread for other genres you might be interested in.

[Spartan26]

What's "'real' metal"? Or, I guess, what's not?

Generally, nu-metal, rap metal, alternative metal, glam metal, and hard rock often get labeled as not being real metal.Jezebel doesn't believe me when I say in the early 80's Def Leppard was considered heavy metal w/out a caveat. *

I love Maiden but get no joy in anything harder than them.

[Capwolf]

Jezebel doesn't believe me when I say in the early 80's Def Leppard was considered heavy metal w/out a caveat. *

I love Maiden but get no joy in anything harder than them.

I believe you. I don't think this is the thread for me, for that reason - I don't listen to much new (although my tastes aren't quite so old as yours, new CDs or not, :)) or obscure music, so there isn't anything to recommend that other people wouldn't already either like or have heard and rejected.

[lollercancer]

anyone here a...
DETHKLOK fan!?

[HackerX]

anyone here a...
DETHKLOK fan!?

Asking a question like that in this thread??? That's brutal.

[deicruxified]

some bands

1. tool
2. a perfect circle
3. stone sour
4. stone temple pilots
5. metallica
6. deftones
7. tristania
8. marilyn manson
9. slipknot

[mikey]

I was wondering when I'd see a 'metal' post here. After I saw the 'military history' post. Back in the pre-university and university days I was deep into black metal. Darkthrone, Mayhem etc., etc., It got old though and a bit offensive when black metal began to take on shades of neo-nazi bullshit.

As far as doom goes no band touches the depression Katatonia can inspire.

[HackerX]

I was wondering when I'd see a 'metal' post here. After I saw the 'military history' post. Back in the pre-university and university days I was deep into black metal. Darkthrone, Mayhem etc., etc., It got old though and a bit offensive when black metal began to take on shades of neo-nazi bullshit.

As far as doom goes no band touches the depression Katatonia can inspire.

I would go so far as to agree :)

My favourite song of theirs is 12/Black Erotica (depending on which version I happen to listen to)

[mikey]

How do you feel about Endtime? 12 has some amazing riffs, though. Yikes it's good.

[oceanicon]

Agalloch - Dark Metal (not quite black, not quite doom, not quite folk)

All three of their albums are worth getting. Songs in particular though -
Bloodbirds (Ashes Against The Grain)
She Painted Fire Across The Skyline - 1, 2 & 3 (Pale Folklore)


man I love Agalloch :D

my primary recommendation in metal is ISIS.
they're my absolute favorites.


Alcest is very interesting, too. Alcest combinates black metal, shoegaze and folk. highly recommended by me.

[HackerX]

my primary recommendation in metal is ISIS.
they're my absolute favorites.


I have Panopticon & Oceanic plus the DVD Clearing The Eye. Didn't really get into Oceanic, but Panopticon was good.



Alcest is very interesting, too. Alcest combinates black metal, shoegaze and folk. highly recommended by me.

Ah, Alcest is my latest favourite. I love it.

[bucolic_]

Manowar never fails to bring a smile to my face

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[Figmentum]

Viking Metal
Death Metal
Black Metal
Nu Metal

I love my Irishman/Norseman roots...

[The Many]

Agalloch - Dark Metal (not quite black, not quite doom, not quite folk)

All three of their albums are worth getting. Songs in particular though -
Bloodbirds (Ashes Against The Grain)
She Painted Fire Across The Skyline - 1, 2 & 3 (Pale Folklore)


man I love Agalloch :D

my primary recommendation in metal is ISIS.
they're my absolute favorites.


Alcest is very interesting, too. Alcest combinates black metal, shoegaze and folk. highly recommended by me.

Then I recommend Lifelover and Amesoeurs right back at you. This indie meets black metal seems to be a new trend. A quite nice one too, I may add, even though I usually despise indie pop.

I like other metal too, though (obviously...). Morbid Angel, Emperor, Nile, Dark Angel, At the Gates/The Haunted, Municipal Waste and Suffocation are some of my favourites, but there are really too many bands out there to mention.

[HarleyQuinn]

Anybody got any recommendations for me? I'm trying to find bands in the vein of Sabbath/Metallica mode of metal + mostly clean vocals. I've recently stumbled onto Helloween thanks to To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. but I find it hard to tell if a singer has a clean voice or the traditional growling throughout based on reviews.

Thanks :thumbsup:

For reference, I do enjoy Motorhead, Pantera, and some Slayer/Sepultura.

[The Many]

Anybody got any recommendations for me? I'm trying to find bands in the vein of Sabbath/Metallica mode of metal + mostly clean vocals. I've recently stumbled onto Helloween thanks to To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. but I find it hard to tell if a singer has a clean voice or the traditional growling throughout based on reviews.

Thanks *:thumbsup:

For reference, I do enjoy Motorhead, Pantera, and some Slayer/Sepultura.

You would probably be interested in Nevermore (technical and quite melancholic thrash/power metal with fantastic melodic vocals), High on Fire, and of course the entire thrash scene of old - Exodus, Vio-lence, Sodom, Dark Angel, and even some newer bands such as Municipal Waste. And of course, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest and that kind of bands.

[radioactivez0r]

Anybody got any recommendations for me? I'm trying to find bands in the vein of Sabbath/Metallica mode of metal + mostly clean vocals. I've recently stumbled onto Helloween thanks to To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. but I find it hard to tell if a singer has a clean voice or the traditional growling throughout based on reviews.

Thanks :thumbsup:

For reference, I do enjoy Motorhead, Pantera, and some Slayer/Sepultura.

I was going to say Iced Earth, but your pic is from Demons & Wizards, so I can only assume you listen to their respective regular bands as well :) There's also Overkill, Jag Panzer, old reliable Testament (although Chuck experiments with growls on Demonic and somewhat on The Gathering)...I guess it depends on how open you are to differing styles -- like the speedier stuff (Dragonforce), or prefer slower tempos? I'd recommend Rhapsody (now known as Rhapsody of Fire) but they aren't everyone's cup of tea.

[yllmar]

I love metal, and props to the Amon Amarth fans out there! :thumbsup:

I like just about anything metal, but tend to stay with the staples of AA, Bathory, Immortal, Ozzy, Iron Maiden, (old) Metallica, Megadeth, and Tool. After that, my tastes grow more varied. Hell, to illustrate, I even own a couple Enya CD's. :scared:

[AresX9]

Any fellow Thrashers out here?

I listen to (No order of preference):

Symphony X
Dream Theater
Anthrax
Megadeth
Metallica
Slayer
Black Label Society
Testament
Joe Satriani

[Aestheticbend]

This could be a long list in order of approximate preference...I enjoy many kinds of metal...the three that are most enjoyable to me are Progressive Death, Melodeath and Symphonic Metal

Opeth
Agollach
At the Gates
In Flames (old)
Kamelot
Masterplan
Dark Tranquillity
Draconian
Nightwish
Trail of Tears
Katatonia (old and new)
Dissection
Arcturus
Pelican
Isis
Red Sparrowes
Arch Enemy
Sonata Arctica
Epica
Gamma Ray
Korpiklaani
Amon Amarth
Bloodbath
Avulsed
Between the Buried and me

[HackerX]

Another recommendation from me would be:
Moonsorrow - V:Havitetty

Which is about the most epic viking metal album around
2 songs (one 26min, the other 30 mins).

[Hypomanic]

I loveeee metal. If you're listening to screaming that music does suck, hard.
Try Mastodon and Black Sabbath. No screaming. No suck.

[HackerX]

I just realised this thread was lacking a Wolves In The Throne Room recommendation.

So:
Wolves In The Throne Room - Two Hunters.

Awesome black metal

[David]

I have liked metal ever since I heard Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Steppenwolf and Led Zeppelin. Almost every other band have been a take off from one of these bands.

[Mr Galt]

Metallica. It's powerful, it's intricate, and I don't have to deal with the constant yelling and screaming of most metal. Their lyrics are damn good too.

[Victor Tango]

Huuuuuuuge metalhead here. Been one since the day I first heard "Black Dog" from Zeppelin. I listen to just about all types too, from Sabbath to NWOBHM to thrash to death to power to NWOAHM.

For me, metal is all about the blood and thunder (thud and blunder?) It's pure, unadulterated power.

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Vic

[Volition]

I'm no expert on it, but I do like metal. A lot.

My favourites are Blind Guardian, Dragonforce, Lacuna Coil, Engel, Nightwish and some Within Temptation and Trivium. Yes, I know some people don't regard Trivium as 'proper metal' but I like them.

The only complaint I have is that it has pretty much ruined a lot of other music for me. Everything seems so flipping watered down now.

[IgnoranceIsKind]

Anyone of you listen to metal out there, and are just as fanatical towards the metal scene as I am? It'd be great to hear from some of you!

Here are some of my favourite bands:
1.Amon Amarth
2.Eternal Lord
3.The Faceless
4.Lamb Of God
5.Killswitch Engage
6.Dark Tranquility
7.Bleeding Through
8.Parkway Drive
9.In Flames
10.Weird Al Yankovic

Im just kidding about #10 ;)

[Victor Tango]

10.Weird Al Yankovic

Im just kidding about #10 ;)

I'm not. Weird Al is a veritable GOD amongst musicians. Bow down to the master of the accordion! Worship at the feet of the Curly Haired One!

Anyway, where was I....

Yes, I am a huge metalhead. Listen to every style, but my favorite is old school thrash.

[Caramel]

Children of Bodom is one of my favorite bands. Also like Killswitch Engage and All that Remains.

But, tbh, I'm not a metal fan, I just like hard, energetic and melodic music in general. Mostly hardcore punk though. Rise Against, Strung Out, Bad Religion..

This topic makes me want to play Guitar Hero. BBL.

[luminous beam]

i'm not good at labeling into specific genre's, but here are some faves:

between the buried and me
dillinger escape plan
behold the arctopus
the red chord
arch enemy
the acacia strain
100 demons
converge
forever is forgotten
ion dissonance
agoraphobic nosebleed
the blood brothers (when i can stand the high pitched singer)
head wound city (same as above applies)
the locust
glassjaw
deftones
tool
rage against the machine
mastodon
botch
helmet
the melvins
necrophagist
cattle decapitation
pig destroyer
six feet under
blood for blood
full blown chaos
walls of jericho
cro-mags
earth crisis
slumlords
ignite
madball
most precious blood
strife
and so on...

[HackerX]

1.Amon Amarth


Saw them in concert the other week. Awesome.

The rest of the stuff I wouldn't put near my CD player, except for Weird Al, he's awesome.

[Octavianus Caesar]

I have the album Quietus, let me know if you want to hear it.

I like Evoken, I have that album, one of my favorites.

I would also recommend Morgion: Solinari one of the best Doom Death Metal Albums.

Another good group is Paramaecium, an Australian Doom Death Metal Band, They incorporate alot of classical music into their Doom Metal, along with Soprano's.

A third group is: The sins of Thy Beloved. The most underrated group out there i think.

[Eric86]

Evoken - The Maniacal Vale was released last week I believe. It's my favorite one of theirs so far (I've heard them all.).



Right now I'm listening to Sentenced - Shadows of the Past. I've been getting much more into old school death metal lately, with such bands as:

Disincarnate
Brutality
early At the Gates
Funebrarum
Incantation
Immolation
Dead Congregation
Father Befouled
early Amorphis
Repugnant
Dismember
Miasma
Demigod (Fin)
Necrovation
Deathevokation
Crypt of Kerberos
Interment
God Macabre


If anyone wants any recommendations, particularly of death, black, and doom, I'd be more than happy to help, since I listen to several hundred of those types of bands (death metal more so than the others).

[Homini Lupus]

I've stated it many times, but it's worth repeating that I'm a great fan of Manowar. I also like very much Pantera but that band is no more. Distruzione are another interesting band ("Guerrieri" being one of my favourite song). Other bands I'm more or less familiar with include Lordi, Sepultura, Vader, Slayer, Saxon, Therion, Fear Factory, Iron Maiden.

[Beery Swine]

If could only recommend one band to everyone it'd be Necrophagist. They're technical/neo-classical death metal, so if you don't like guttural grunts in your metal, you probably won't like them, but at least give that one song a listen for sheer technical proficiency's sake. Unfortunately you can barely hear the guitars on their live videos, so here's a couple album songs:

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I suppose I'll list a few bands I like as well, in alphabetical order (I don't like to play favorites).

Arch Enemy
Behemoth
Blind Guadian
Children of Bodom
Dimmu Borgir (aka Demon Burger)
DragonForce
Iced Earth
Lacuna Coil (not quite "metal," but what the hell)
Lamb of God
Morbid Angel
Necrophagist (duh)
Nile
Slayer
Trivium

[rewhu]

Songs I'm about to listen to:

Spinal Compression Fear Factory
Obscene Rollins Band
Shortest Straw Metallica
Go Forth and Die Dethklok

Any other Metalocalypse fans in here?

[Elfrun]

First and formost - 'tallica w00t
- SOAD
- The Mark of Cain
- Eighteen Visions (not a fan of screemo but awesome live show)
- Slayer
- Killswitch Engage
- Nevermore
- Testeagles

Many others that I don't think quite fit in the metal catogary...

- Shihad
- Butterfly Effect
- Mess Hall
- Matchbook Romance *sigh*
- Karnavool
- Satriani
- Dead Letter Circus
- Wolf & Cub
- H.I.M.
- Velvet Revolver

(BTW Lacuna Coil :thumbsup:)

[Eric86]

I'm listening to Stormlord's new cd, Mare Nostrum.

[Ehanah]

I hear mostly gothic and symphonic metal. Bands like Leaves Eyes, Lacuna Coil, Poisonblack, Sirenia, Tristania, Edenbridge, Sentenced, To Die For, Angtoria, Epica, Haggard, Trail of Tears and so on.

[Deadgod]

Evoken - The Maniacal Vale was released last week I believe. It's my favorite one of theirs so far (I've heard them all.).



Right now I'm listening to Sentenced - Shadows of the Past. I've been getting much more into old school death metal lately, with such bands as:

Disincarnate
Brutality
early At the Gates
Funebrarum
Incantation
Immolation
Dead Congregation
Father Befouled
early Amorphis
Repugnant
Dismember
Miasma
Demigod (Fin)
Necrovation
Deathevokation
Crypt of Kerberos
Interment
God Macabre


If anyone wants any recommendations, particularly of death, black, and doom, I'd be more than happy to help, since I listen to several hundred of those types of bands (death metal more so than the others).

this person here knows metal.

Also, try and stick to the "real" metal.


I'm hearing all these metalcore/ninjacore/hipster names that don't belong. I honestly think that if you don't know what you're posting, you shouldn't post. Sorry but HIM isn't considered metal and neither is Velvet Revolver. Just because it's loud and seems to offend religious fanatics doesn't mean it's metal.
Good metal bands:
Brutality
Sinister (first three to four albums)
Asphyx
Pestilence
Cannibal Corpse (early years)
Carcass
Napalm Death
Bolt Thrower
Cenotaph
Gorefest
Dying Fetus (when Netherton was still there)
Misery Index
Kataklysm
Malevolent Creation
Divine Empire
Morbid Angel (Vincent Era mainly)
Gorguts (Canadian Death Metal gods)
Cryptopsy (first two albums)
Adramelech (Eric, I'm pretty sure you've heard them since you like Demigod)
Amorphis
Incantation
Immolation
Deicide (specifically Legion)
Suffocation (three words: Pierced from Within)
Morpheus Descends
At the Gates (Anything before Slaughter of the Soul)
Dismember
Entombed
Hypocrisy
Atrocity (the German one)
Atheist
Cynic
Death
Possessed
Slayer
Megadeth
Metallica (only the Cliff Burton era)
Nuclear Assault
King Diamond
Mercyful Fate
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Black Sabbath
Celtic Frost
Bathory
Burzum
Mayhem
Ildjarn
Darkthrone
Mutiilation
Deathspell Omega
Absu
Absurd
Antaeus
Averse Sefira
Behemoth (black metal era)
Dimmu Borgir (only Stormblast)
The Black
Destroyer 666
Demoncy
Emperor
Enslaved
Gorgoroth
Graveland
Immortal
Varathron
Rotting Christ

So many bands...I can't possibly list them all though I attempted my best at putting all the bands that really matter and of the highest quality.

[bucolic_]

I've always wondered why it is that many metal heads seem to hate metalcore and other genres so much. I listen to various sub-genres of metal, but also to metalcore, mathcore, and other genres that are influenced by hardcore. This is just curiosity on my part, I've thought about it, but can't seem to find a good reason for it. Is it because you feel like they're 'stealing' from 'your' genre? I guess my curiosity is why it often sparks such a passionate dismissal.

Anyways, on topic with the thread, some of my favorite metal bands..

Dimmu Borgir
In Flames (More into their earlier albums)
Slayer
Iced Earth
Iron Maiden
Archenemy

There's more of course, but these are some of my favorites, and also some of my early interests. My top interest now is probably The Dillinger Escape Plan, but I don't want to piss anyone off by naming a mathcore band :p

Edit : Oh yeah, I almost forgot Dream Theater, one of my favorites, but I suppose their status as a 'metal' band is somewhat in the air.

[Eric86]

Honestly, most metalcore just bores me to death. There are some good ones, but mainly, they sound nothing at all like the style of the more popular ones like Killswitch Engage.


Botch
Coalesce
Converge
Gaza (this one in particular is VERY dark-sounding and oppressive)
Crowpath
Ion Dissonance
Spitfire
Zao (particularly Liberate te Ex Inferis)
Misery Signals
early Between the Buried and Me
Protest the Hero
The Human Abstract

Those last four have a very technical/progressive sound, as opposed to the others, which are more chaotic/dark.

Most deathcore is also insanely lame, especially the ones that combine death metal and metalcore. Most of the good ones combine death metal (or brutal death/slam) and hardcore (sometimes these bands don't have that much of a stylistic hardcore influence, but rather, play death metal with a very 'hardcore' attitude).

Abominable Putridity
Soils of Fate
Dim Mak
Despised Icon
Cenotaph (Turkey)
Animosity (the only deathcore band I know of that DOESN'T use breakdowns....they are insanely technical)
Beneath the Massacre
Veil of Maya
The Red Chord
Disfiguring the Goddess
Misericordiam
Pillory
early Pyrexia


just for a few examples.

[bucolic_]

Ah yeah, that definitely makes sense that if you simply have no preference for the genre, but what I find curious is the fact that many (not all obviously) 'metalheads' have such a visceral hatred of metalcore. I've had experiences in the past where it seems like their hatred of metalcore is more about 'scenes' (IE, they're in the metal scene, and therefore must hate metalcore).

I love Protest the Hero by the way, as well as Converge.

[Eric86]

I think for the most part, their hatred of the metalcore/hardcore/deathcore scene is due to how most of those particular fans act at live shows, especially when bands of both scenes are touring together.

[bucolic_]

I think for the most part, their hatred of the metalcore/hardcore/deathcore scene is due to how most of those particular fans act at live shows, especially when bands of both scenes are touring together.

Ah, how do they act? I don't go to shows, I hate them in fact.

[Keith]

edit: I've been a very bad boy and need to go to sleep.

[Deadgod]

Ah, how do they act? I don't go to shows, I hate them in fact.

Its basically this: the new scene kids that are infesting our metal shows do these silly ninja-style "hardcore" dances, when all metalheads want to do is have an old-school circle pit.
For a perspective on this:
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I see his points but I find it funny how he ignorant he is.





Deadgod added to this post, 8 minutes and 40 seconds later...

I'm kinda hoping Metal today would go back to being like this:
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[Homini Lupus]

This is going to become a debate about what is metal and what is not... But here's the definitive video, only true metal!

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[Deadgod]

This is going to become a debate about what is metal and what is not... But here's the definitive video, only true metal!

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:laugh: Hilarious! True Metal is Plutonium! End of story!

[HackerX]

Okies, the debate between metal and all the other stuff is a topic for another thread. This is a thread for metal. Feel free to keep recommending metal in this thread.

If you think it's borderline hardcore or metalcore or popcore or emocore or applecore then chances are it's not for this thread.

[Eric86]

Wow....I just randomly came across Arkan. They're like a mix of Nile and Orphaned Land with some melodic death riffing. This stuff is seriously amazing....

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Anyone who likes the Incantation/Immolation/etc. style of death metal should check out Dethroned.

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[Deadgod]

Wow....I just randomly came across Arkan. They're like a mix of Nile and Orphaned Land with some melodic death riffing.

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They're whatever. Not Morbid Angel or Gorguts but if you like 'em thats cool.

:idea:
You know what? You, me and HackerX need to create the INTJf Metal band, since we are the metalheads here. I'd do any instrument and vocals. Growls, screams, and squeals are my specialty along with burp, puke, and toilet noises as well.

[Eric86]

So....do you not like stuff that's experimental at all?

[Deadgod]

So....do you not like stuff that's experimental at all?

Not really. I like music that spreads a solid message and unique structure. If the experimentation is to enhance the overall greatness of the music, then yes, it would be to my liking. But if it's to pass off as being "innovative" and "deep", then it's to be pissed on and forgotten.

[Eric86]

Not really. I like music that spreads a solid message and unique structure. If the experimentation is to enhance the overall greatness of the music, then yes, it would be to my liking.
Which is what Arkan does. They aren't silly wankery like Unexpect (even though they are still fun to listen to:p).


I think the whole anti-progress mentality is crap, to be honest.

[Beery Swine]

Ah yeah, that definitely makes sense that if you simply have no preference for the genre, but what I find curious is the fact that many (not all obviously) 'metalheads' have such a visceral hatred of metalcore. I've had experiences in the past where it seems like their hatred of metalcore is more about 'scenes' (IE, they're in the metal scene, and therefore must hate metalcore).

I love Protest the Hero by the way, as well as Converge.

I don't get the hate either. I don't go to shows, I just see it on Lamb of God videos (they're the only metalcore band that I like, I think) and it just doesn't make sense. I even see a lot of hating on the more accepted metal bands like Morbid Angel. Someone will leave some hater comment and respond to every reply. I just don't get why anyone would go on youtube and specifically look for stuff they don't like. What kind of person does it take to be an actual troll who's life's mission it is to post nothing but flame-war-inducing comments?

[Deadgod]

I don't get the hate either. I don't go to shows, I just see it on Lamb of God videos (they're the only metalcore band that I like, I think) and it just doesn't make sense. I even see a lot of hating on the more accepted metal bands like Morbid Angel. Someone will leave some hater comment and respond to every reply. I just don't get why anyone would go on youtube and specifically look for stuff they don't like. What kind of person does it take to be an actual troll who's life's mission it is to post nothing but flame-war-inducing comments?

I agree when it comes to the youtube comments. They really are just a bunch of flames. It's idiotic really. The only thing people want to prove is that they are better than others, while sitting on their internet "thrones" and getting fat and lazy doing so.
But I also don't like the ignorance and assuming nature of many Newbie Metalheads. Alot of them are rather misinformed, and still clinging to their pop and hot topic culture. They do not understand the story behind the growls, the distortion, the blastbeats, and the chaos.

Then there are those underground people who wish to portray themselves as solely "underground". They only listen to "underground" bands (even if many of these bands are CRAP). They piss on anything that is "selling-out", that is going towards the mainstream. But bands also go mainstream when they gear their sounds towards a more pop vibe. That is authentically selling out.

My views on Lamb of God: I don't like their recent stuff or anything when they were the name, "Lamb of God". But they had much more Metallic passion, drive, and passion when they were under the name, "Burn the Priest". I have to give props to Randy Blythe however for having killer vocals.

Just to keep up with the demands of HackerX, some more recommended bands (mostly from the Thrash/Speed Metal genre):
Kreator
Destruction
Sodom
Artillery
Overkill
Motorhead
Anthrax
Annihilator
Dead Brain Cells
Sadus
Nuclear Assault
Dark Angel
Death Angel
Vio-lence
Powermad
Angel Witch
Coven
Witchfinder General
Tank
Tankard
Master
Abomination
Deathstrike





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Which is what Arkan does. They aren't silly wankery like Unexpect (even though they are still fun to listen to:p).


I think the whole anti-progress mentality is crap, to be honest.

The mentality is crap, but the ideas aren't. It is just that alot of progressive has been nothing but wankery. And because of the consistent output of wankery in the progressive genre, it lends to some reason why metalheads would have anti-prog mentalities.

[Eric86]

There's a difference between being actually progressive and just playing prog rock and metal (which Arkan is not). Prog has a definitely distinct sound to it, and most bands that play it are rather similar, though progressive can sound like anything. Progressive is an ideal/approach to creating music, not a genre. It's pretty ironic that Dream Theater is even less progressive than most death metal bands.

[Neuro]

I was wondering about metal. Interesting to see so much death metal listed.

I'm pretty new to the metal universe, but I've had a pretty intense crash course thanks to the Dead Legions Archive (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). Death metal hasn't really caught on with me. Perhaps because I am not so interested in morbidity. I have heard much quality death metal, just never really feel the urge to listen to it.

Favorite albums atm:

Burzum - Filosofem (incredibly beautiful. good one to recommend to metal skeptics I find.)
Immortal - Pure Holocaust (the definitive BM album for me. so much adventurous spirit I absolutely love it)
Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger
Bathory - Hammerheart (Bathory stuck out first for me when I started to explore this music and is probably my favorite metal band)
Tool - Lateralus (been listening to Tool for 6 years or so now, the others only a year or so.)

Some other bands I really enjoy:

Summoning
Slayer
Averse Sefira
Strapping Young Lad

Guilty pleasure:

Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth

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:D

I gave Drudkh a fair trial listening to a couple albums multiple times but I am not so impressed. I like the overall atmosphere but it's really too repetitive and I don't like the lead guitar work.

[Eric86]

Songs of Grief and Solitude, Anti-Urban, and Estrangement aren't so good, but everything before them is, particularly Blood In Our Wells.

[Deadgod]

I'm pretty new to the metal universe, but I've had a pretty intense crash course thanks to the Dead Legions Archive (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). Death metal hasn't really caught on with me. Perhaps because I am not so interested in morbidity. I have heard much quality death metal, just never really feel the urge to listen to it.



The first person besides me that knows of the Dark Legions Archives. And your homepage is a link to the ANUS philosophy page.
I did (and sometimes still do) associate myself with the organization. A few of their ideas are far-fetched though.
It seems that there are a good deal of nihilists who are INTJs (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

[Eric86]

The Firstborn has three songs up from their upcoming cd, The Noble Search.


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[HackerX]

I gave Drudkh a fair trial listening to a couple albums multiple times but I am not so impressed. I like the overall atmosphere but it's really too repetitive and I don't like the lead guitar work.

Ah, I'm all for the repetitiveness, though I hear you about the lead guitar work. In a way it's "meh" but in some songs it still seems to suits (favourite post blood in our wells song is Only The Wind Remembers My Name)

Thus, imo, Hvis Lyset Tar Oss > Filosofem.

[Beery Swine]

Guilty pleasure:

Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth

Haha, what's to feel guilty about, dude? I threw on some Into the Storm when I read your comment.

[Neuro]

Haha, what's to feel guilty about, dude? I threw on some Into the Storm when I read your comment.

I hang out with a lot of over-serious people, hehe. I think it's great fun though.

[Mong]

OOoohh I LOVE Agallloch!!!!

probably my favorite band along with others such as blind guardian, insomnium, nightwish, metallica, amorphis, behemoth, empyrium, wintersun and therion. I know they are all of the more common metal bands but I still prefer them (not that I don't listen to many other bands too, these are just my favourites)

[Laughing Man]

my 10 favourite metal albums:
Judas Priest - Painkiller
Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Iced Earth - Alive in Athens
Metallica - Kill Em All
Bal-Sagoth - Starfire Burning Upon the Ice-Veiled Throne of Ultima Thule
Gorgoroth - Twilight of the Idols (In Conspiracy with Satan)
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Slayer - South of Heaven
Anthrax - Spreading The Disease

[Eric86]

Anyone who likes really disturbing, oppressive music should get this. The atmospheres are truly amazing.


Urna - Sepulcrum

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black metal/funeral doom/ambient from Italy

[HackerX]

A recommendation from me is Raventale:
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It reminds me a little of drudkh, very repetitive, but more synthy.

Love that second song (4th song on the album)

[IgnoranceIsKind]

Here are some of my favourites -

Aneroxia Nervosa - French black metal band, anyone else heard of them? I love the song chatiment de la rose
Protest the hero
Chimaira
3 Inches of Blood
Behemoth - Slaves shall serve is so darn good
Arch Enemy
Amon Amarth
Opeth
Death
Darkthrone
Emperor - In the wordless chamber! All-time favourite!
Dark Tranquility
Unearth

And a few others. I'm not particularly into death metal, maybe because most of it are just so technical.

[Eric86]

If anyone likes brutal/slam death metal, here is a good blog to read.


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[Deadgod]

I posted already on the "what are you listening to?" thread but here it is again,
Neuraxis (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Brutal, melodic, with some old stuff going on as well (reminded me of Gorguts at times).
Hey Eric, would you recommend more Canadian bands? They seem to have a well-established scene over there.

[Nyuszi]

There are so many metal bands, but my favorites would run along the thrash metal lines.. like

Metallica
Sepultura
Agalloch
Slayer
Iron Maiden
Exodus

Then I love symphonic/gothic metal
Lacrimosa
Nightwish
others....

But...where would Slipknot fall into? Is that what you'd call nu-metal?

Could anyone recommend me more thrash metal bands?

[Deadgod]

There are so many metal bands, but my favorites would run along the thrash metal lines.. like

Metallica
Sepultura
Agalloch
Slayer
Iron Maiden
Exodus

Then I love symphonic/gothic metal
Lacrimosa
Nightwish
others....

But...where would Slipknot fall into? Is that what you'd call nu-metal?

Could anyone recommend me more thrash metal bands?

Please check my previous posts. Slipknot would be considered "nu-metal" or a heavily distorted, downtuned, hard rock by MY definitions.
And most "thrash" bands aren't really "thrash" but speed metal with thrash influences. Thrash is more of a punk term than it is metal.

[johnnyz86]

great thread, lots of good bands listed.. love Agalloch.. unfortunately no one listed the amazing Quo Vadis! Wonderful technical death metal ( I dont really like most newer technical death metal, just the classics like Death and Atheist)

Also, if you like classical metal, Estatic Fear's A Sombre Dance is a MUST.

Black metal is a hit or miss for me, some bands I love, some bands I hate. I'm not sure if I saw any crazy metal bands like unexpect, but that stuff is interesting at times.

Edge of Sanity - Crimson is great, along with Green Carnation - Light of day, Day of Darkness.

two of my favorite songs.

Gothic metal is really interesting and can also be very bad or very good. I love the bands with great female singers.. ToT, Tristania, Edenbridge, whatever. The first song on Sirenia's first album is amazing. Meridian. however I haven't found another song as good from them yet.

Also love folk influenced stuff as well as jazz and classical. I love the power/death/classical combos like Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Kalmah, Skyfire, etc

Doom metal can be great too.. i like melody so Saturnus.

Metal is definitely the most diverse genre. There are so many great bands and classics.

[Nyuszi]

Please check my previous posts. Slipknot would be considered "nu-metal" or a heavily distorted, downtuned, hard rock by MY definitions.
And most "thrash" bands aren't really "thrash" but speed metal with thrash influences. Thrash is more of a punk term than it is metal.

Shoot, sorry, I just skimmed over some posts and I somehow did not see the huge long list of bands. Wonderful.

And now that you mention it, I can't really find a "pure" thrash metal band...
and my knowledge of metal is limited. But I love the sound, it's just amazing and addicting.

[johnnyz86]

honestly i find thrash the genre with the least variety. although it makes it pretty consistent, not much stands out to me, save a couple bands which i really can't remember.

thrash with something else is good though, like nevermore, communic, some of evergrey..

i do however love listening to it every so often. any reccomendations that stand out?

edit: one album that for some reason sticks out to me is annihilator's first album.

and speed metal isn't a genre, but thrash is.

[Neuro]

Anyone heard of Naglfar? Swedish act.

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Good easy listening black metal song. Great nose, too.

[Eric86]

There are so many metal bands, but my favorites would run along the thrash metal lines.. like

Metallica
Sepultura
Agalloch
Slayer
Iron Maiden
Exodus
:thinking:

[Nyuszi]

Agh, don't tell me Agalloch is not thrash at all....which I can see now why it isn't. Obviously I must not know what thrash metal is. So uh..yeah. :blank:

[Eric86]

Yay! I just realized that Ruins - Cauldron is out now! Real top-notch black metal with the drummer of Psycroptic and The Amenta.

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I've been getting into Njiqahdda lately as well. Very unique stuff.

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[pinkroger]

Kalmah is a vastly underrated melodic death metal band. Just about every song is of fantastic quality.

[johnnyz86]

Also, everyone should listen to the folk/power/traditional metal band Slough Feg. One of the most consistent bands I know. mad groovy twin guitars

[Deadgod]

Infernaeon (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Death Metal, with a bit of Emperor in it. They are from close to where I live. It's good to know of good bands that are from my area. Gives me a glimmer of hope.

[Deadgod]

Zyklon (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Featuring former and current members from Emperor and Myrkskog.

Myrkskog (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Awesome blackened death metal.

[Bratwurst]

I've listened all kinds of metal during the years. It started during my teenage years with Metallica and Blind Guardian. *nostalgia* :)

Nowadays I'm mostly into bands like Neurosis, Opeth and Cult of Luna. I really love Neurosis: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[HackerX]

I have one cult of luna album that I do enjoy listening to every now and then. I love the bands that can really pull off that build of sound.

[Theonymic]

As far as doom goes no band touches the depression Katatonia can inspire.
I challenge this.....Esoteric (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

In addition to them, I enjoy metal from

Meshuggah
Zero Hour
Mastodon
Opeth
Aletheian
Virgin Black
My Silent Wake
Crimson Moonlight
Alchemist (AU)
Exhale (SWE)
Andromeda
Becoming the Archetype
Sanctifica
Cynic
Death
Sentenced
Decrepit Birth
Psycroptic
Fearscape
Agalloch
Negura Bunget
Blut Aus Nord
Immortal
coprofago
Eluveitie
Extol
Isis
Necrophagist
Sirenia
uneXpect
Ved Buens Ende
Kalmah
Weakling

and there are probably a few who I would enjoy and just don't know of yet, as well as some I like but not quite enough to buy the albums.

[Eric86]

Esoteric creates more of a psychedelic atmosphere than a depressive one (though they definitely can be in certain songs). Better examples (i.e. consistently depressive) would include Skepticism, Urna, and Evoken (particularly Embrace the Emptiness, Quietus, and The Antithesis of Light).

[Theonymic]

Hey, I'm INTJ....I'm not good at identifying emotions :P

[Deadgod]

Hey, I'm INTJ....I'm not good at identifying emotions :P

I thought Metal was about being tough and killing emotions? :p

Anyway, another great black metal band from South Florida:

Kult Ov Azazel (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

For those of you involved in Black Metal circles, you should know these guys already.

[Eric86]

Found a pretty cool thrash band tonight, Agent Steel.

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[deevee]

my current fav metal band is Zimmers Hole, pretty much strapping young lad but with a different singer who is just as good as Devin Townsend.

[Eric86]

lol I'm listening to the new Cryptopsy.....god this is so hilariously horrible....





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gonna wash that crap out of my ears with Cynic's '88, '89, '90, and '91 demos now.;D

[Debbie]

Kill yourself and WORSHIP ! ;D

[Within]

Tool, is all I have to say. Shared with my INTJ and ENTP friends, I'm INTP btw if Ur too lazy too look at the left.

[Shorgenfunkel]

Kill yourself and WORSHIP ! ;D

Hahaha @ Worship's latest album title: Dooom

That said, I love METALMETALMETAL.

As of yet, my favorite metal bands are The Lord Weird Slough Feg, Amorphis, Mercyful Fate, Persuader, and Nauthisuruz.

I always get way more into power and thrash when summer rolls around. Black is a perennial favorite.

[Rho1334]

Hahaha @ Worship's latest album title: Dooom

That said, I love METALMETALMETAL.

As of yet, my favorite metal bands are The Lord Weird Slough Feg, Amorphis, Mercyful Fate, Persuader, and Nauthisuruz.

I always get way more into power and thrash when summer rolls around. Black is a perennial favorite.

Bows to the metal king...good tastes!

[Winterstorm]

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There's nothing more to say :D

[HackerX]

I've loving this song at the moment:
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Gris - Le Gala des Gens Heureux

There's something about the way the french (and pseudo french in this case) do depressive black metal that makes it awesome.

[Shorgenfunkel]

There's something about the way the french (and pseudo french in this case) do depressive black metal that makes it awesome.

There's also something about the way the French do brutal tech-death.

Behold the glory of Yyrkoon.

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[Synapse]

I'm a huge fan of dark, death (melodic, prog, etc.), and progressive metal. I love the instrumentation and melodies, as well as the incredibly technical and demented guitar (I play guitar, what can I say?).

My favorite artist that I've listened to right now would be Cynic. They have a weird jazz-fusion of prog metal and they just came out with "Traced In Air", which is even better than their first album "Focus". The lyrics are interesting to such a album, reminds me of Tool, and I honestly think Paul Masvidal (lead singer and guitarist) is either an INTJ or INTP.

I was a fan of Dream Theater (probably the most famous prog metal band in history) until I listened to "Liquid Tension Experiment", which kicked DT's ass (I hate DT's singer anyways). It's basically DT on steroids without a singer.

Some good death metal beyond Cynic would be something like Meshuggah, Insomnium, Dark Tranquility Children of Bodom (Alexi Laiho is an amazing guitarist), Nevermore (Jeff Loomis is also an amazing guitarist), or Death (even though Death's singer sucks). I hate Cannibal Corpse (even the guitar work) and other imitators.

Some good dark metal would probably be one of the few bands I like from that genre: Cradle of Filth. Incredibly violent and dark sub-genre, be warned. :p

[Shorgenfunkel]

Nevermore (Jeff Loomis is also an amazing guitarist)

Tot-l-e. Jeff Loomis's solo project (with one album out so far, Zero Order Phase) is even better actually.

or Death (even though Death's singer sucks).

What.

[Synapse]

Tot-l-e. Jeff Loomis's solo project (with one album out so far, Zero Order Phase) is even better actually.

I'll have to take a listen, thank you.

... even though Death's singer sucks.

What.

QFT. The guy can certainly scream his lungs out, but he doesn't have as good of a screaming nor singing voice as any of the other bands I've mentioned. Plus, he's incredibly cheesy, just listen to the lyrics of "Crystal Mountain". Meh.

[Shorgenfunkel]

The guy can certainly scream his lungs out,

And that's exactly what's needed for their songs. His voice just has some kind of "it" quality that makes it glorious, despite it lacking the objective polish that his musical progeny would.

Plus, he's incredibly cheesy, just listen to the lyrics of "Crystal Mountain".

If I wanted meaningful lyrics, I'd listen to Bob Dylan. For me, as long as words strung together sound good, they're good. He also has quite a few songs that actually have meaning, such as the majority of Symbolic (there are more tracks on it than just "Crystal Mountain"...) and Individual Thought Patterns.

Even still... who listens to metal for lyrics? :p

[Synapse]

And that's exactly what's needed for their songs. His voice just has some kind of "it" quality that makes it glorious, despite it lacking the objective polish that his musical progeny would.



If I wanted meaningful lyrics, I'd listen to Bob Dylan. For me, as long as words strung together sound good, they're good. He also has quite a few songs that actually have meaning, such as the majority of Symbolic (there are more tracks on it than just "Crystal Mountain"...) and Individual Thought Patterns.

Even still... who listens to metal for lyrics? :p

I guess that's why I listen to prog and melodic metal, it actually has something behind it. And there are differing levels of metal singing, you can be singing about sodomizing your cat but actually making it sound decent, but Schuldiner's voice is like nails on a chalkboard. He just can't sing, end of story, just like DT's guy (of whom I forgot his name).

[Deadgod]

I guess that's why I listen to prog and melodic metal, it actually has something behind it. And there are differing levels of metal singing, you can be singing about sodomizing your cat but actually making it sound decent, but Schuldiner's voice is like nails on a chalkboard. He just can't sing, end of story, just like DT's guy (of whom I forgot his name).

Chuck's Vocals follow some progression. In Scream Bloody Gore, it's about the really high shrieks. In Leprosy, we hear more conviction. We could say the same thing for Spiritual Healing, with the latter including lyrics dealing with moral issues rather than straight up blood, guts, and gore. With the next two albums, he loses the shrieks. By Symbolic, we hear his voice progressively change to a more Cradle of Filth style, though it lacks range. The result of the voice change is finalized in The Sound of Perseverance.

Synapse, I would like to know what are your criteria for superb metal singing. If there was an American Idol for Metal Vocals, how would it be run? How would contestants be rated and judged?

I think it's very easy for metal vocalists to get pissed on because they aren't "singing correctly". People don't give them enough credit, and I personally don't think it's as easy as it sounds. To do it consistently, effectively, and with a hint of originality....that's a challenge.

[HackerX]

I remember hearing "Scavenger Of Human Sorrows" on a compilation cd (having never heard Death before) and thinking to myself... my god, why isn't there more death metal with vocals like this? I thought it was fantastic. It was enough for me to go out and buy the full cd.

[ambrosia]

Metal is total intj music imo. Most of it is either anti-religious or atheist, which is right up my alley. My favorite all time metal band is probably Slayer. I dunno about some of the new stuff though.. too much screaming.

[Synapse]

I remember hearing "Scavenger Of Human Sorrows" on a compilation cd (having never heard Death before) and thinking to myself... my god, why isn't there more death metal with vocals like this? I thought it was fantastic. It was enough for me to go out and buy the full cd.

Such an ideal is subjective, however. What both of you are trying to tell me is "Death's vocals are good and there is no effective comparison to them." Such a statement is false. There is a comparison, hear someone like the singers of Nightwish, Slayer, Megadeth, Meshuggah, Cryptospy, Necrophagist, Cynic, etc. Maybe if someone actually gives me an album besides Symbolic that's actually decent (instead of crap vocals and crap instrumentals).

And by the way, don't go and attempt to state "People don't give them enough credit." You know what? I sing metal, FFS, I think I can praise the people who I was inspired from. Death growling isn't as difficult as you think, anyways, one of the more famous death metal vocal instructors said that it is "about 70% confidence and 30% skill".

And I do agree with ambrosia, metal music is almost INTJ in nature, a non-conformist music that often expresses individual views different from society.

[Deadgod]

Such an ideal is subjective, however. What both of you are trying to tell me is "Death's vocals are good and there is no effective comparison to them." Such a statement is false. There is a comparison, hear someone like the singers of Nightwish, Slayer, Megadeth, Meshuggah, Cryptospy, Necrophagist, Cynic, etc. Maybe if someone actually gives me an album besides Symbolic that's actually decent (instead of crap vocals and crap instrumentals).

There are quite a lot of Dave Mustaine Vocal Bashers. And someone could simply say that the vocalist from Cynic cheats by using a vocoder. So, yes, it is subjective. Taste is subjective. But your like or dislike has little relevance to the quality of the artist/artistic work.



And by the way, don't go and attempt to state "People don't give them enough credit." You know what? I sing metal, FFS, I think I can praise the people who I was inspired from. Death growling isn't as difficult as you think, anyways, one of the more famous death metal vocal instructors said that it is "about 70% confidence and 30% skill".


Simply saying you're a vocalist is some kind of twisted appeal to "expert"ism. :rolleyes: One thing is to say something. Another thing is to back up what you say. We are merely saying generalizations to each other instead of getting to the technical and nitty gritty. Maybe I should rephrase and say that they don't get enough re-spect. Credit is, afterall, to the most deserving.

I'd say it starts with constructive criticism. How could Chuck have been a better vocalist? Other things to consider are context. He played guitar and sung simultaneously. He was also influenced by Jeff Becerra from Possessed. Does that also mean Jeff is a bad vocalist as well? It was also the 80's. The Death Growl was still developing. It wasn't until the beginning of this century that a vocal teacher such as Melissa Cross started paying attention to the vocal styles presented through Death Metal.

[Shorgenfunkel]

Maybe if someone actually gives me an album besides Symbolic that's actually decent (instead of crap vocals and crap instrumentals).

See: all Death albums (Spiritual Healing is iffy, but still pretty good).

Saying things are "crap" and other things are "crap" doesn't further your point.

On another note (haw), I've really started to dig the Melvins over the last few days. 'Cause I can ford a red eed, only street a wide a re-land.

[HackerX]

Such an ideal is subjective, however. What both of you are trying to tell me is "Death's vocals are good and there is no effective comparison to them." Such a statement is false. There is a comparison, hear someone like the singers of Nightwish, Slayer, Megadeth, Meshuggah, Cryptospy, Necrophagist, Cynic, etc. Maybe if someone actually gives me an album besides Symbolic that's actually decent (instead of crap vocals and crap instrumentals).


I said the album appealed to me so I bought it?

So if you want to talk comparison, here's some.

Nightwish, and by Nightwish, I assume you're talking Tarja, is flat and lacks the vocal range that would be expected of somebody singing her style.
Megadeth - Dave can't sing for crap, he admits so himself.
Slayer - Is dull and monotonous.
etc etc.

You're not the only singer here. Chuck appealed to myself in particular because maintaining that high a pitch is a whole lot harder than ye olde boring death metal vocals.

Ultimately, who cares? People will listen to what appeals to them. I find most current death metal vocalists monotonous. It's definitely a subjective opinion.

It's interesting that Deadgod speaks of going back to the roots... I'm sitting here listening to Bathory's "A Fine Day To Die". Now there are some vocals that hold the conviction I would expect of somebody really expressing such emotions.

[Grimey]

Two recommendation requests...

Melodic doom bands (E.G.Rapture, Mouringside, saturnus etc..)

Melodic Death with lots of keyboards/videogame sounds (E.G. Neptune, Disarmonia Mundi)

Thanks!

[Synapse]

Two recommendation requests...

Melodic doom bands (E.G.Rapture, Mouringside, saturnus etc..)

Melodic Death with lots of keyboards/videogame sounds (E.G. Neptune, Disarmonia Mundi)

Thanks!

Cynic's great for the latter, but unfortunately I don't have much else to offer, but you could check out regular melodic death, like In Flames. ;)

[Sylar]

I'm not sure how intense you like to go. I've pushed myself to the limit, until the next generation of Extreme Metal / Grind surfaces.

Some Bands and songs you guys should check out:

Exhumed - Decrepit Cresendo
Zonaria - Attending Annihilation
Hour of Penance - Drowned in the Abyss of Ignorance
Behemoth - Slaves Shall Serve
Deadlock - The Brave/Agony Applause
Hatesphere - Oceans of Blood
Last Days of Humanity - A Divine Proclamation of Finishing the Present Existance
One Man Army and the Undead Quartet - So Grim, So True, So Real

I realize that Exhumed & LDOH are actually Deathgrind and Goregrind. Listen anyway.

Personally I'll listen to anything from linkin park to the most brutally intense genres on the planet (and you can try me if you don't believe me, since I know I'm skeptic when people say that).

Top Genres: Melodic/Death Metal, Deathgrind.

Happy listening.

[Debbie]

There's some guys around here that also like doom *-* . I thought I was alone in this world ;D .


Besides funeral doom, I also love drone doom and death doom; experimental stuff like Abstract Spirit and some Bethlehem albuns; and some folk and ethnic influences ^^ .

I also love old school death metal and thrash metal; I like good brutal bands, like Krisiun too . I really like depressive or suicidal black metal . And I LOVE bands like Neurosis and Isis *_____*

I don't appreciate at all: Crap like Iron Maiden, new metal, stuff like within temptation, and power metal .

Listen to Arcana Coelestia . Wonderful band .

[Winterstorm]

Iron Maiden is a crap? I don't think so. What's more I think they are one of the best and most improtant bands in the world. I also love power metal, especially Blind Guardian. Hansi Kursch is one of the greatest vocalist I've ever heard. And for me it's one of the strongest things in power and heavy metal - amazing vocalists with strong, powerful voices and ability of cooperation with crowds on concerts.

[everlost]

Ehh, I don't know, I've never cared for Iron Maiden particularly. I think their music is kind of bland and mellow. Definately overrated band, if you ask me. Wouldn't call them crap though, they have quite a bit of good songs.

Power metal I'm not that into either, but Blind Guardian were good back when they were playing speed metal.

[Winterstorm]

If you like early Blind Guardian, you should check two great bands: Persuader and Savage Circus (both with the same vocalist, SC was formed by first Blind Guardian drummer).

[everlost]

If you like early Blind Guardian, you should check two great bands: Persuader and Savage Circus (both with the same vocalist, SC was formed by first Blind Guardian drummer).

Mmhh, I listened to a few songs by them but they're too much power metal for me...

[Shorgenfunkel]

Persuader

VERILY! I love these guys. They're part of what I call the "rougher" side of power metal (RELATIVELY speaking) that I can actually take in large doses, unlike the vast proportion of power metal's "flower metal," (see: Kaledon, Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody...).

Haven't czeched out Savage Circus though, but I shalt get ON IT.

[bucolic_]

There's some guys around here that also like doom *-* . I thought I was alone in this world ;D .


Besides funeral doom, I also love drone doom and death doom; experimental stuff like Abstract Spirit and some Bethlehem albuns; and some folk and ethnic influences ^^ .

I also love old school death metal and thrash metal; I like good brutal bands, like Krisiun too . I really like depressive or suicidal black metal . And I LOVE bands like Neurosis and Isis *_____*

I don't appreciate at all: Crap like Iron Maiden, new metal, stuff like within temptation, and power metal .

Listen to Arcana Coelestia . Wonderful band .


Could you recommend some funeral doom? I've been listening to 'call of the wretched sea' by ahab, and loved it, but don't really know any other bands..

[Shorgenfunkel]

Could you recommend some funeral doom? I've been listening to 'call of the wretched sea' by ahab, and loved it, but don't really know any other bands..

Worship.

Nauthisuruz incorporates elements of funeral doom, although they're more black ambient. They also give away all their music for free (but stay away from Visions, it's a stain on their glorious record.)

I'll leave the podium and let someone with more authority in this area of doom take over.

[stasis]

Could you recommend some funeral doom? I've been listening to 'call of the wretched sea' by ahab, and loved it, but don't really know any other bands..
If you liked that album, you'll need to get Evoken's Quietus.

[HackerX]

May I recommend:
Disembowelment - Cerulean Transience Of All My Imagined Shores

[Kris]

A few current favorites...

Mastodon
Dissection
Kalmah
Norther
The Duskfall
Dog Fashion Disco
Bloodbath
Psycroptic
Edguy
Impaled Nazarene





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Melodic Death with lots of keyboards/videogame sounds (E.G. Neptune, Disarmonia Mundi)

Soilwork, Scar Symmetry, Mercenary, Skyfire

[Debbie]

I think Iron Maiden is really overrated, too . I know their chords and melodies are very complex to play, but every single album of them follow the same formula, and to me, music is innovation :) . Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Death...They were and are the real metal gods \o/ .

About Funeral Doom, an important one is Skepticism . They are AWSOME ! Unholy is perfect, too . Mournful Congregation, Esoteric, WORSHIP, Lethian Dreams, Arcana Coelestia, Remembrance...That's some of my favorite ;) . One that's very unpopular and I LOVE is Lethargy Of Death .
Still about it, everybody that listens to Funeral Doom use to love Shape Of Despair . I never find them so great .

[Shorgenfunkel]

WORSHIP

I still find this album title funny.

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Damn goood dooom, though.

[Debbie]

Yeah, funny name, I agree . GORGEOUS album, too .

[Shorgenfunkel]

GORGEOUS album, too .

Verily.

I've done tests with a body temperature thermometer to find out what, objectively, the most relaxing song in my library is, and as of yet, "All I Ever Knew Lie Dead" has emerged the victor.

[Debbie]

The most relaxing song to me is Sun Day, of Jesu . I'm really addicted to the band .

[AllLifeEnds]

Hello guys, is anybody here a fan of Metal? I am a hgue fan of Death and Black Metal, my favorite bands are Darkthrone, Demilich, Atheist, Gorguts, Immolation, Burzum, Graveland etc. I don't like crappy sell-out bands like Pantera, Cannibal Corpse and that sort of stuff which excels in nothing but pleasing the masses.

[Nightwish bob]

I like Nightwish (hence the name)... I am not sure how heavy metal they are though...

I also enjoy Dragon Force :)

[mnmeq]

been listening to a fair amount of origin and cattle decapitation lately. also daughters, but I'm not sure what genre that falls into.

[Mickehh]

There are few metal bands I occasionally enjoy, like Trivium, Volbeat (more like rock with metal-touch) and Slayer, but over all I don't get that much out of metal, musically. It's great music to get pumped up and maybe angry, but many other musicstyles give so much more to me. I'm sure there would be metal-bands that satisfy me musically but I've never been that interested to find out. I'll stick with pop-and rockmusic :)

[Conservationist]

Hello guys, is anybody here a fan of Metal? I am a hgue fan of Death and Black Metal, my favorite bands are Darkthrone, Demilich, Atheist, Gorguts, Immolation, Burzum, Graveland etc. I don't like crappy sell-out bands like Pantera, Cannibal Corpse and that sort of stuff which excels in nothing but pleasing the masses.

Complete agreement here. Especially with the list of bands and exclusions.

Did you intend also to list At the Gates?

[Conservationist]

I've been very curious about Evoken for a long time, I probably have a mp3 somewhere. Ever since I found doommetal.com, I was hooked.

I recommend Skepticism (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) as an option.

[Shorgenfunkel]

I recommend Skepticism (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) as an option.

Seconded. Listening to Stormcrowfleet will make the most mundane of tasks feel like SERIOUS BUSINESS.





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Speaking of which, I just made an autobiographical image that shows just how glorious Skepticism is.

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[AllLifeEnds]

Complete agreement here. Especially with the list of bands and exclusions.

Did you intend also to list At the Gates?
Yeah, they are awesome as well. Especially The Red in the Sky is Ours and Gardens of Grief.

[Conservationist]

Yeah, they are awesome as well. Especially The Red in the Sky is Ours and Gardens of Grief.

Two favorites here.

Metal for INTJs:

* Atheist
* Demilich
* Burzum
* At the Gates
* Godflesh
* Infester

[StN]

I'm pretty much an old-schooler. Groups I love:
Manowar (they're the best tbh)
Brainstorm (a German band with great music and great words)
Dragonforce
Deathstars
Jag Panzer
Metallica
Judas Priest
Sytem Of A Down
Thundertale (Lithuanian band which is pretty much good..)
Wintersun
Ensiferum
Korpiklaani
Linkin Park (that's where I started.. :D)
Iron Maiden
Lordi (has few nice songs)
And the list would go on so, but I'm too lazy for it. :D

[Kris]

I like most styles of metal but I generally gravitate towards the somewhat melodic stuff. A couple of my all-time favorites are The Duskfall, Blind Guardian and Opeth.

On the less-melodic side, I saw Morbid Angel live about 4 weeks ago. Pretty fucking good for old codgers :p

[Niaurus]

yeah, I've heard a lot of INTJ's listens to metal..

I generally listen to doom metal, every sort except for drone/noise..
Also, some black metal, a few viking metal bands and several death bands.

[Iggy Hazard]

I've never liked demonic death metal or neofascist black metal, but I do like classic thrash and speed metal. Pantera, Sepultura, Megadeth. All that sort of thing. But in recent years, I've become more interested in New Wave (late '70s, early to mid '80s). I used to consider Pantera's Mouth for War to be my unofficial theme song. Nowadays, it would be Oingo Boingo's No One Lives Forever.

[Shorgenfunkel]

demonic death metal

That a new subgenre?

neofascist black metal

NSBM. Very little black metal is such.

[Iggy Hazard]

Very little black metal is such.
I have nothing against non-fascist black metal. But some of it is. I'm also not a big fan of nihilism. However, I do like Dethklok and Metalocalypse. :cheesy:

[HackerX]

So I'm listening to Uaral - Surrendered to the Decadence (Laments EP)

I can't remember where I got this album, but still anybody else a fan?

[Deadgod]

I heard some stuff from Uaral. Pretty melodic stuff.

Low belchy vocals to go along with it. Ha.

[HackerX]

More doom...

Currently listening to Virgin Black - Museum of Iscariot (of Sombre Romantic).

These guys (and gal) are great live. Rowans vocals are even more amazing live than on the albums. But the way Samantha plays/solos is downright sexy.

[Iggy Hazard]

The soundtrack to the game Killing Flo0r (available on Steam for $20 or whatever that is in euros which is the currency of the antichrist) is great. It's instrumental industrial metal -- heavy on the grindage. Some tracks have garage style undertones.

[jesse]

There are many intersting niches out there, especially when you start to dwelve in deeper rather than getting stuck on the big names in metal.

Since someone seems to be convinced there is nothing else than NSBM in terms of black metal, I'd avoid those who always advertise themselves as being tv00 grim black metal, talk is cheap and it has worse hyperinflation than the Zimbabwean Dollar.

Some stuff I've enjoyed over the years include Slayer's South of Heaven and Reign in Blood albums, Morbid Angel's Covenant and Blessed are the Sick and so forth. These took an immense number of plays to finally start appreciating the beauty and the power behind some of their songs, even if played at break-neck speeds. Four or five years ago I received some doom and funeral doom songs which I found very addicting due to their slowness and their regalness.

Skepticism, Dolorian, Shape of Despair, and Isole are some of the more interesting bands from the doom metal genres to my ears.

If you liked that album, you'll need to get Evoken's Quietus.

I'll second that album.

[everlost]

Slayer's South of Heaven and Reign in Blood albums

But come on, those two are soooo overrated, especially South of Heaven, which isn't that great at all, I think. Seriously, I think Seasons in the Abyss is Slayer's best, but for some reason not many agree with me. I dunno why, because that album is fucking ace, it has everything: catchy mid-paced stuff (better than that of SoH) aswell as really fast kickbutt-stuff (better than that of RiB), and the drumming is simply amazing. Probably my favourite drum performance on any metal album.

[jesse]

But come on, those two are soooo overrated, especially South of Heaven, which isn't that great at all, I think. Seriously, I think Seasons in the Abyss is Slayer's best, but for some reason not many agree with me. I dunno why, because that album is fucking ace, it has everything: catchy mid-paced stuff (better than that of SoH) aswell as really fast kickbutt-stuff (better than that of RiB), and the drumming is simply amazing. Probably my favourite drum performance on any metal album.

Like I said, I found those enjoyable at a personal level. This does not magically imply my views to be some universal form of truth on their alleged worthiness. ;)
I like what I like and you like what you like, end of story.

All in all I usually do not think along the lines of what is someone's best overall work because everything usually has its moments of brilliance and mastery, while some do not. There are good albums, then there mediocre albums, and then there's the steaming pile which is not worth your time at all.

[Wolfe]

Alestorm, they're a Scottish folk metal/power metal band with a strong pirate theme. I really like their music. They were originaly known as Battleheart but changed to Alestorm in 2007.

Amon Amarth are also one of my favourites. I pretty much like all viking metal :)

[stasis]

Since someone seems to be convinced there is nothing else than NSBM in terms of black metal, I'd avoid those who always advertise themselves as being tv00 grim black metal, talk is cheap and it has worse hyperinflation than the Zimbabwean Dollar.
Avoiding NSBM is often as straightforward as avoiding BM bands from Russia/Ukraine. Although there are exceptions, it seems to be their special shtick over there.

[HackerX]

Raventale are an awesome non NSBM band from the ukraine.

[music221]

I didn't see these bands mentioned anywhere in the thread so:

Type O Negative
Faith No More
Danzing
Ramstien
Gwar
Anthrax

[jesse]

Avoiding NSBM is often as straightforward as avoiding BM bands from Russia/Ukraine. Although there are exceptions, it seems to be their special shtick over there.

Yeah, it was somewhat surprising to find out there were a number of openly NSBM groups along the Polish - Ukranian - Russian axis back when I was first starting to browse BM some years ago. Sometimes it gets slightly awkward because they do espouse ideas and politics you don't agree with as the listener, however it is no reason to not enjoy their compositions.

Let's just say listening to some of them is probably best kept to yourself because it has far too much potential to be misunderstood. The same applies for the likes of Burzum or Graveland. Their albums might not have an explicit praise for such politics or views but the artists themselves have them and have no quarrel shedding light on them.

Moving on to something else. Late last year I was reading some magazine which had an interview with the frontman of a French industrial black metal act known as BLACKLODGE which caught my attention. Later on I had the time to look them up and listen to their material. While it might not be very special apart from having a significant contribution from fusing electronic music with BM and the rest of its aesthetics, it's not the usual hail satan bullshit. In part their world view was what attracted me more since they have this philosophy of technology fusing into humanity eventually causing its final downfall.

[Deadgod]

I didn't see these bands mentioned anywhere in the thread so:

Type O Negative
Faith No More
Danzig
Rammstien
Gwar
Anthrax

Anthrax was already mentioned several times.

And I doubt if the three bands bolded are really metal.

GWAR seems to be nothing more than just shock rock. Maybe the early days had a bit of a thrash influence, but that is more punk than metal if anything.

Rammstein is Neue Deutsche Härte. In other words, Industrial Hard rock. Metal has a certain aesthetic to it. Hard Rock and Metal have distinctions.

Faith No More? They seem to fit the likes of jam band than a metal act, despite the metal influence coming from Mike Patton and Mr. Bungle.

[everlost]

Amon Amarth are also one of my favourites. I pretty much like all viking metal :)

Ehhh, I wouldn't call Amon Amarth viking metal, rather melodic death metal with lyrics about vikings. When I hear the term viking metal I think more of Hammerheart-era Bathory and early Enslaved and things like that.

[Winterstorm]

Viking metal? Definitely Einherjer!

[Shorgenfunkel]

Avoiding NSBM is often as straightforward as avoiding BM bands from Russia/Ukraine. Although there are exceptions, it seems to be their special shtick over there.

One such exception is Nauthisuruz (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). They also give away all their music for free, so y'all have no excuse.

[everlost]

Hey, has anyone seen "Get Thrashed"? It's a documentary from 2006, supposed to be about the history of thrash. I've been thinking about buying it on dvd, but I'd like to know if it's good first, so if anyone's seen it I'd love to hear your thoughts about it.

[Deadgod]

I rented it a few months ago. I thought it was pretty well done, and very informative, despite having some commentary from that retard of Slipknot vocalist.

[everlost]

Haha, yeah, I wondered why they would include anyone from Slipknot in a documentary about thrash.

[Ekagra]

Metal Men:

Wassup with that? Oh, I've got a CD by Tool and I just don't get. It's the same old in every song - My life is crap, I know it, but I'm not changing because it's more exciting to be crappy.

The angst ridden ho-ha goes nowhere. Here, listen to this:

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[Shorgenfunkel]

Oh, I've got a CD by Tool and I just don't get. It's the same old in every song - My life is crap, I know it, but I'm not changing because it's more exciting to be crappy.

The angst ridden ho-ha goes nowhere.

It's because you're listening to Tool. And they're not particularly metal anyway, they're more "prog" rock. (I say prog because that's what people seem to call them to justify them being boring, although a fair bit of prog is actually good.)

Listen to Elegy by Amorphis (I choose this album because you seem to want to like prog-metal) and report back with results.

I can't speak for the other "metal men" but, "wassup" with my listenage of metal: I do it for the intensity, the interesting compositions, the atmosphere, and because I just plain like how it sounds.

Isn't the latter reason why anyone listens to any kind of music?

[Kris]

I've always thought of Tool as some drug induced hippie babble pretentiously masquerading as some kind of supreme spiritual enlightenment. Don't get me wrong, I like plenty of their songs, but its just music to me.

My prog recommendations: Novembre, Opeth, Gojira, Porcupine Tree, Symphony X, Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Evergrey, Stream of Passion, Liquid Tension Experiment

[Shorgenfunkel]

Novembre, Opeth, Gojira, Porcupine Tree, Symphony X, Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Evergrey, Stream of Passion, Liquid Tension Experiment

You speak the truth. I'd also like to add to this list: Amorphis (as previously mentioned), Meshuggah, SikTh, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Death (later era, early era is straight death metal), and Strapping Young Lad.

And hell, if Porcupine Tree can be considered prog-metal, so can Gåte.

[JTG1984]

So I always refrain from posting in this thread because I dont feel like getting my shit pushed in but anyway, Metalcore anyone, or is that not welcome?
I always crack up when I see this...
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Oops should of read the first page, that would of answered my question! Sorry.

[Shorgenfunkel]

Metalcore...

I have a confession to make, I got into metal through metalcore.

Unearth was my gateway.

They're one of the more forgivable metalcore bands (and don't even get me started on the festering abortion that is deathcore) and I still listen to them for nostalgia once every 10 months (approximately).

However, if you look a little further, you'll realize there is a huge amount of far more substantive metal to listen to than metalcore.

[nowt]

aidan baker/nadja-- bliss torn from emptiness, specifically.

[Conservationist]

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Schubert is a favorite here. What were you doing listening to Tool? That band exhibits the kind of "false creativity" (random novelty) I associate with rock music.

Try Burzum instead!

[Kris]

So I always refrain from posting in this thread because I dont feel like getting my shit pushed in but anyway, Metalcore anyone, or is that not welcome?

There's a lot of negativity towards metalcore, especially in the death metal scene. It pisses me off as I like all types of metal, including metalcore.

Have to agree with Shorgenfunkel about Unearth. I think they are a great metal band and one of the best metalcore bands around. I also like stuff like Hatebreed and Bury Your Dead and the pioneers like Shai Hulud and Converge. Also like mathcore bands like Botch and The Dillinger Escape Plan. Not a big fan of deathcore but don't mind The Black Dahlia Murder, Through the Eyes of the Dead and As Blood Runs Black.





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I've been listening to a lot of Gojira lately, awesome prog death!

[everlost]

Metalcore is like, the worst kind of shit ever invented.

[Shorgenfunkel]

Have to agree with Shorgenfunkel about Unearth. I think they are a great metal band and one of the best metalcore bands around. I also like stuff like Hatebreed and Bury Your Dead and the pioneers like Shai Hulud and Converge. Also like mathcore bands like Botch and The Dillinger Escape Plan. Not a big fan of deathcore but don't mind The Black Dahlia Murder, Through the Eyes of the Dead and As Blood Runs Black.

Ah, what I've heard of Converge is good, although I haven't heard much. Black Dahlia Murder is pretty solid as well; they do some gneiss solos (a rarity in ____core).

As I mentioned before in my prog recommendations (but applies here), an EXCEEDINGLY good mathcore band is SikTh. Unfortunately, they've recently broken up and spawned hundreds of imitators who turn the treble on their guitars way too far up.

[Kris]

Metalcore is like, the worst kind of shit ever invented.

Couple of bands which I think are undeniably good, regardless of the stigma of being 'core: Unearth (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Converge (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Heaven Shall Burn (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Between the Buried and Me (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Botch (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), TDEP (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Every Time I Die (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Sikth (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

[Deadgod]

Ah, what I've heard of Converge is good, although I haven't heard much. Black Dahlia Murder is pretty solid as well; they do some gneiss solos (a rarity in ____core).

As I mentioned before in my prog recommendations (but applies here), an EXCEEDINGLY good mathcore band is SikTh. Unfortunately, they've recently broken up and spawned hundreds of imitators who turn the treble on their guitars way too far up.

Don't tell me they are trying to get the whole Swedish tone too...oops, forgot the mids need to be up as well. Meh...Guitar talk...

Speaking of Swedish bands...I'm looking for stuff that's similar to Dismember and pre-Wolverine Blues era Entombed.

[everlost]

Speaking of Swedish bands...I'm looking for stuff that's similar to Dismember and pre-Wolverine Blues era Entombed.

Yay, old school swedish dm! Check out: Sorcery, early Cemetary, Necrophobic, early Therion, early Tiamat, Grave, Carnage, Unleashed, God Macabre.

[Deadgod]

Yay, old school swedish dm! Check out: Sorcery, early Cemetary, Necrophobic, early Therion, early Tiamat, Grave, Carnage, Unleashed, God Macabre.

I know Grave and Unleashed. Therion fails to impress me even their early stuff. I will absolutely give Carnage and God Macabre a try. Sorcery and early Cemetary as well. And Tiamat.

I'm really looking for that specific guitar tone, however. Something similar to the veins of Entombed's Clandestine and Dismember's Like an Everflowing Stream. Low C tuning and highs and mids raised all the way up with no lows.

I kind of found something in a non-swedish band called Desecrator.

[everlost]

I know Grave and Unleashed. Therion fails to impress me even their early stuff. I will absolutely give Carnage and God Macabre a try. Sorcery and early Cemetary as well. And Tiamat.

I'm really looking for that specific guitar tone, however. Something similar to the veins of Entombed's Clandestine and Dismember's Like an Everflowing Stream. Low C tuning and highs and mids raised all the way up with no lows.

I kind of found something in a non-swedish band called Desecrator.

Hm, yeah...

I think what Entombed did for both Left Hand Path and Clandestine (or maybe just LHP, I'm not sure) was use a Boss HM-2 pedal with all knobs turned to max which they ran into some Peavey amp. Anyway, the HM-2 is pretty much regarded as the "old school swedish dm-pedal", because many bands (but most notably Entombed and Dismember I guess) used it and that's the tone that it does good.

Also, almost all of that classic swedish dm was recorded at Sunlight Studios, and most of it has kinda similar guitar tone. Here's a list of stuff recorded there (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). Your best bet might be to just look through that stuff and you should find a lot of bands with very similar guitar tone.

Personally I love the tone of Sentenced's (they're not swedish though, but finnish) first album Shadows of the Past. Here's the best song (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) of the album. Sadly I have no idea how they got that tone :(

[Shorgenfunkel]

Don't tell me they are trying to get the whole Swedish tone too...oops, forgot the mids need to be up as well. Meh...Guitar talk...

Hah, yeeeup. That's what separates the amateurs from the pros a lot: did they scoop the mids?

If yes: amateur
If no: amateur who seems to know what he's doing
If a professional musician: a pro

[Jezebel]

Speaking of Swedish bands...I'm looking for stuff that's similar to Dismember and pre-Wolverine Blues era Entombed.
Interesting you mention that. I was just having a discussion about Entombed's early guitar tone last night and would also like to find more. Have you heard Chaosbreed (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)? They remind me a lot of early Entombed (although not nearly as good, imo).

[Deadgod]

Interesting you mention that. I was just having a discussion about Entombed's early guitar tone last night and would also like to find more. Have you heard Chaosbreed (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)? They remind me a lot of early Entombed (although not nearly as good, imo).

I liked what I've heard so far, but I have to agree with your opinion; Entombed is far more original and better.

They are all about paying tribute to Early Death Metal. In a sense, they are much like all those goregrind/gore metal bands that pay homage to Carcass in an obvious way.

But interestingly enough you do hear Carcass, and I've heard even a bit of Autopsy in the slower songs.

[Jezebel]

They are all about paying tribute to Early Death Metal. In a sense, they are much like all those goregrind/gore metal bands that pay homage to Carcass in an obvious way.
Yeah, but I don't think these kinds of tribute bands are necessarily bad due to being unoriginal with their style. It's somewhat like the band they are imitating putting out new albums after the original band long ago abandoned the style (and I certainly wouldn't be complaining if the original band continued to release more albums in the style I preferred). Unfortunately, many of the bands don't quite stand up to the original so the similarities can be a constant reminder of how much better the original was.

[Deadgod]

Yeah, but I don't think these kinds of tribute bands are necessarily bad due to being unoriginal with their style. It's somewhat like the band they are imitating putting out new albums after the original band long ago abandoned the style (and I certainly wouldn't be complaining if the original band continued to release more albums in the style I preferred). Unfortunately, many of the bands don't quite stand up to the original so the similarities can be a constant reminder of how much better the original was.

I would much rather not have "reminder" bands, imo. I think that if the original band had quality work, then there really is no need to listen to the imitation, unless it's for pure fun. I bet it would be a fun show with Chaosbreed on stage but I can't really hold them up to the quality as that of Entombed.

Ultimately, it's the band that can keep me listening to them, that can make me put an entire album or two on repeat, and where I can find something new within each nuance of music that I will consider the best. Entombed can more or less do that. Slayer has done that the best.

[everlost]

I don't know... I think Entombed are really overrated honestly, and I wouldn't want to listen to modern bands imitating them when there's already so much other old school swedish dm that I like better.

Anyway, here's a vid (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) of Daniel Ekeroth demonstrating how to get the Entombed guitar tone. Basically he does just what I already wrote in my earlier reply. And if you didn't know this, he's the author of a book called Swedish Death Metal, which is a fucking huge book about the rise, glory period, and fall of the original swedish dm scene. It also has a huge list of swedish dm/bm bands. Definately recommended.

[Jezebel]

I would much rather not have "reminder" bands, imo. I think that if the original band had quality work, then there really is no need to listen to the imitation, unless it's for pure fun. I bet it would be a fun show with Chaosbreed on stage but I can't really hold them up to the quality as that of Entombed.
I would agree with you in Chaosbreed's case (and most other clone bands), but I wouldn't say it's true of all "reminder" bands. Bands can still be creative and make interesting arrangements while borrowing heavily from a sound another band originated. For example, Bloodbath is another one of those tribute to old school swedish death metal bands, but I think they stand on their own and I prefer them to several similar bands doing the same style that came before them.

Ultimately, it's the band that can keep me listening to them, that can make me put an entire album or two on repeat, and where I can find something new within each nuance of music that I will consider the best.
I thought Chaosbreed, while having a few songs that were decent, weren't consistent enough. There were a few interesting songs and a lot of boring ones. It's difficult for me to find any albums I like consistently all the way through these days though.

[HackerX]

Bloodbath is another one of those tribute to old school swedish death metal bands, but I think they stand on their own and I prefer them to several similar bands doing the same style that came before them.

It's little wonder though, bloodbath being a supergroup containing members from some of the most well respected swedish metal bands.

[Ragnarok73]

As requested :D

Also, try and stick to the "real" metal.

Anyways, a couple of my own favourites:
Agalloch - Dark Metal (not quite black, not quite doom, not quite folk)



I love Agalloch.

Overall I'm more into heavy/thrash/death.

Some of my other favorite bands: WASP, Nevermore, Amon Amarth, Savatage, Virgin steele, Evergrey, Rage, Jag Panzer, The Crown, Necrophobic, Saxon, Dark Angel, Enslaved, Paradise Lost, Nuclear assault,...

[Ekagra]

Schubert is a favorite here. What were you doing listening to Tool? That band exhibits the kind of "false creativity" (random novelty) I associate with rock music.

Try Burzum instead!

Burzum!, Ya, I'm going to look into some of the names mentioned in recent posts. Glad you're all on board with Franz. I'd have to say it's a bit surprising. It seems I've been finding more satisfaction with older and older music. Old Perotin is quite intriguing, the 12th century precursor to Phillip Glass.

But back to metal. Forgive my suspicion but metal conjures the dreary expressions of bands like Metallica, Godsmack, Black Flag, Apoptygma Berzerk, etc. Perhaps you'd categorize them otherwise?

Dissonance is fine but at some level it's use as music becomes nothing more than the well worn "artist's" prank - the attempt to substitute the showman's provocations for artistic merit. A angry animal's growl, a landslide, the crack of a falling tree, explosions - they engage the flight or fight response. The over-amplified guitar accomplishes the same thing. I fear that a good share of metal's appeal is little more than an attempt to stir to some form of life the fast-food and game-boy narcotized legions.

So far, here is what my search for Barzum turned up:

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Probably not what you had in mind.

[Shorgenfunkel]

Probably because you searched for "Barzum" instead of "Burzum."

The fight-or-flight response is only engaged by those who don't understand the music (if it does indeed have underlying musical merit). I'm pretty sure the metal artists who take their music seriously don't say "Hey! I'm gonna write this Eb-9(#11,b13) and make the singer growl like a whale in order to scare the SHIT out of 'fast-food and game-boy narcotized legions!'" They do it because they think it sounds good.

Metallica, in their eras before Load/Reload and to some people, the self-titled, I would classify as thrash metal. Godsmack seems like hard rock to me. Black Flag? Hardcore punk, albeit VERY hardcore in cases like My War. Don't know Apoptygma Berzerk (yet), I'll leave that to someone else.

However, for most (not all, because music is subjective) artists in metal that have withstood the test of time or are generally accepted as masters of their craft (the classics, while possibly not subjectively the best, are a good starting point), listen to them enough to "get" them before you bash them (or don't, as the case may be).

[stasis]

Sometimes it gets slightly awkward because they do espouse ideas and politics you don't agree with as the listener, however it is no reason to not enjoy their compositions.

Let's just say listening to some of them is probably best kept to yourself because it has far too much potential to be misunderstood. The same applies for the likes of Burzum or Graveland. Their albums might not have an explicit praise for such politics or views but the artists themselves have them and have no quarrel shedding light on them.
While Rob Darken can be dismissed as an incessantly LARPing twat who composes twat music for disempowered twats in the national forest, it's somewhat more difficult to avoid Burzum if one is fond of atmospheric black metal. The Filosofem and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss albums are outstanding, foundational examples of this subgenre. But I actually find it easier to explain an interest in something like Burzum precisely because the music, in its ambiguity, is devoid of any obvious national socialist tripe. It's the same sort of scenario that fans of racists like Eric Clapton may engage; the music is enjoyed as being detachable to some degree from the vulgarity of the artist's socio-political slime. The difference between Drudkh and Hate Forest, despite the band members being the same.


Moving on to something else. Late last year I was reading some magazine which had an interview with the frontman of a French industrial black metal act known as BLACKLODGE which caught my attention. Later on I had the time to look them up and listen to their material. While it might not be very special apart from having a significant contribution from fusing electronic music with BM and the rest of its aesthetics, it's not the usual hail satan bullshit. In part their world view was what attracted me more since they have this philosophy of technology fusing into humanity eventually causing its final downfall.
I have been avoiding Blacklodge. It's odd; my primary genres of music lie firmly in the industrial and post-industrial spectrum, but the so-called industrial black metal almost never does anything for me. Take V.E.G.A. for example. This band came highly recommended and touted oftentimes as being superior to Anaal Nathrakh - who, unfortunately, seem to be growing more Cradle-of-Filthy as time goes on. As it turns out, the two V.E.G.A. albums are tame and cheesy with only the occasional highlight. Not even an Axis of Perdition. Would you say Blacklodge does better? Should I look into them? On blending an industrial aesthetic with black metal, I usually direct people - and particularly people who are primary fans of industrial, exploring black metal - to the black noise and some of the raw atmospheric bm bands. Nekrasov, Vargr, Emit (especially Abortions), Darkspace, Urfaust, and of course Burzum. Black Funeral's Ordog album has something of interest along these lines as well. Of the bands sometimes called "industrial black metal", I can only really recommend Blut Aus Nord. Gnaw Their Tongues is another outstanding example, albeit more on the drone side.

That said, separating black metal from satanism seems kind of strange to me. Although I suppose an industrial bleakness is comparable as far as subject matter critiquing or escaping the modern world is concerned, it needn't be applied to the exclusion of the former. I'm pretty much completely against the "unblack metal" effort. Outside of bands like Ondskapt, Funeral Mist, or Deathspell Omega, I don't know how many bm bands truly take mystical satanism seriously anyway. The perverting or rejecting of Christianity in full is fundamentally intertwined with the black metal aesthetic, which is steeped in alt-mystique and alt-culture. Attempting to temper this within a bm framework always yields mediocre results.



Don't know Apoptygma Berzerk (yet), I'll leave that to someone else.
They play EBM and miscellaneous synthpop. Dance music oriented to clubs.



So far, here is what my search for [Burzum] turned up:
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[Ekagra]

Probably because you searched for "Barzum" instead of "Burzum."

The fight-or-flight response is only engaged by those who don't understand the music (if it does indeed have underlying musical merit). I'm pretty sure the metal artists who take their music seriously don't say "Hey! I'm gonna write this Eb-9(#11,b13) and make the singer growl like a whale in order to scare the SHIT out of 'fast-food and game-boy narcotized legions!'" They do it because they think it sounds good.

Metallica, in their eras before Load/Reload and to some people, the self-titled, I would classify as thrash metal. Godsmack seems like hard rock to me. Black Flag? Hardcore punk, albeit VERY hardcore in cases like My War. Don't know Apoptygma Berzerk (yet), I'll leave that to someone else.

However, for most (not all, because music is subjective) artists in metal that have withstood the test of time or are generally accepted as masters of their craft (the classics, while possibly not subjectively the best, are a good starting point), listen to them enough to "get" them before you bash them (or don't, as the case may be).

What a difference an 'u' can make: BURZUM. Ah Oui.

The picture here is starting to come into the light - BURZUM, as Varg V. (The Count!) has proclaimed represents the light of knowledge for those of Pagan persuasion. The music, I will say does seem to connect one to those rather shadowy elements in the natural world that seem to pop up from time to time in the Northern European psyche and hence its art.

A visual might help to demonstrate:

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Hmmmn, first impressions? It's the musical companion to a certain philosophy. I suspect it's followers are probably quite thoughtful about their music and way of life. So are the BURZUM followers here true believers or just musical enthusiasts? It might be interesting to know a little more about what the philosophy is all about. On the other hand, honestly, the music seems, um, a bit one-dimensional. All those aforementioned dark elements that inform and add color to Hesse, Goethe, Nietzsche, Schubert, Tolkien and Wagner just seem to lay flat here. Plato was certainly off-base when he said 'I can learn nothing from a tree', but, at the same time trees and forests, howling wolves don't have the full story either. And what about that Varg fellow? Does manslaughter a hero make? And does anyone take this 666 stuff seriously? I have to admit being a bit incredulous, but there is a serious element here. There is an esoteric significance to the numbers 3 and 4 for example, at lease if one follows the case made by the Mandukya upanishad for example. 'The number of the beast' just seems like all drama, sound and fury.

[Shorgenfunkel]

So are the BURZUM followers here true believers or just musical enthusiasts?

For me, it's the latter. I rarely, if ever, pay attention to the philosophies behind artists, and I rarely, if ever, consider myself a "follower" of any artist.

By the way, you posted the "In Der Bar Zum Krokodil" video again. If that was intentional, I don't get it. :confused:

[Ekagra]

For me, it's the latter. I rarely, if ever, pay attention to the philosophies behind artists, and I rarely, if ever, consider myself a "follower" of any artist.

By the way, you posted the "In Der Bar Zum Krokodil" video again. If that was intentional, I don't get it. :confused:

Thanks for the catch. Here is what I intended to post:

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[HackerX]

That said, separating black metal from satanism seems kind of strange to me. Although I suppose an industrial bleakness is comparable as far as subject matter critiquing or escaping the modern world is concerned, it needn't be applied to the exclusion of the former. I'm pretty much completely against the "unblack metal" effort. Outside of bands like Ondskapt, Funeral Mist, or Deathspell Omega, I don't know how many bm bands truly take mystical satanism seriously anyway. The perverting or rejecting of Christianity in full is fundamentally intertwined with the black metal aesthetic, which is steeped in alt-mystique and alt-culture. Attempting to temper this within a bm framework always yields mediocre results.


I think you point out a something that's important here. The bands that seem to grow in popularity aren't those that promote a philosophy (satanism, NSBM etc) but those that deem to reject.

For those that are fans of Drudkh, and that Burzum-esque, I cannot recommend Raventale enough:
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*I saw a quote the other day saying Mayhem's - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas was unique in that it had murderer and victim on the same album. However, this is also true for Hvis lyset tar oss

[Kris]

Saw Epileptic Fist Fuck (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) play on Friday night. Quality Aussie death metal!

Looking forward to seeing another great Aussie metal band on Friday night, In Malice's Wake (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (and here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)) - old school thrash, I really like their sound.

[Shorgenfunkel]

*I saw a quote the other day saying Mayhem's - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas was unique in that it had murderer and victim on the same album. However, this is also true for Hvis lyset tar oss

Hell, Euronymous even solo-ed on "War" on Burzum's self-titled.

[stasis]

"War"
That has got to be the worst Burzum track ever. If Euronymous was responsible for that guitar solo, he deserved to die.

[jesse]

While Rob Darken can be dismissed as an incessantly LARPing twat who composes twat music for disempowered twats in the national forest, it's somewhat more difficult to avoid Burzum if one is fond of atmospheric black metal. The Filosofem and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss albums are outstanding, foundational examples of this subgenre. But I actually find it easier to explain an interest in something like Burzum precisely because the music, in its ambiguity, is devoid of any obvious national socialist tripe.

Everyone is entitled to a silly vice, or two, or several. If adoring and yearning after a culture which is not even native to Poland is you thing and emulating them at dedicated LARP fests, what the heck. I'll look away and pretend it does not exist because it at least is not reflected on the productions.

There is no disputing Filosofem nor Hvis Lyset Tar Oss having laid an exceptional landmark in the genre as they continue to stand-out from the endless floods of copy cat so-called BM bands these days. I think it also brings forth that BM is not a static mold which has to have a particular style of drumming, vocals and strong structures. Believing that puts you in the same , agonizingly small and limiting frame which simply creates another batch of useless clones rehashing the tired old formulas and aesthetics.

I have been avoiding Blacklodge. It's odd; my primary genres of music lie firmly in the industrial and post-industrial spectrum, but the so-called industrial black metal almost never does anything for me. Take V.E.G.A. for example. This band came highly recommended and touted oftentimes as being superior to Anaal Nathrakh - who, unfortunately, seem to be growing more Cradle-of-Filthy as time goes on. As it turns out, the two V.E.G.A. albums are tame and cheesy with only the occasional highlight. Not even an Axis of Perdition. Would you say Blacklodge does better? Should I look into them?

Get Solarkult and Login:Satan and be the judge, I will refrain from making a call on these as you clearly would be better prepared to tell whether or not Blacklodge is missing the mark. I'm only familiar with Anaal Nathrakh's "When Fire Rains Down from the Sky, Mankind Will Reap as It Has Sown" release, but I would think this was a highlight of their expertise meaning they probably would start to lose their focus and craft eventually.

That said, separating black metal from satanism seems kind of strange to me. Although I suppose an industrial bleakness is comparable as far as subject matter critiquing or escaping the modern world is concerned, it needn't be applied to the exclusion of the former. I'm pretty much completely against the "unblack metal" effort. Outside of bands like Ondskapt, Funeral Mist, or Deathspell Omega, I don't know how many bm bands truly take mystical satanism seriously anyway. The perverting or rejecting of Christianity in full is fundamentally intertwined with the black metal aesthetic, which is steeped in alt-mystique and alt-culture. Attempting to temper this within a bm framework always yields mediocre results.

Many bands fall prey to repeating and remaining firmly rooted in an industry standard thus sounding stale and ultimately boring. Some refuse to follow the crowd in repeating the accepted standards and opt to explore, push the boundaries forward and take their own musiciansip to new heights. I have only heard Deathspell Omega out of that list and I would pu them in the cutting edge and visionary forefront. Not only do they take a very alternative and philosophical analysis and exposition of satan, man and god. IF they would merely repeat the tried-and-true "Hail satan" cries, they'd be nowhere.

Another two groups to be reviewed when I get my hands on some of their recordings.

That has got to be the worst Burzum track ever. If Euronymous was responsible for that guitar solo, he deserved to die.

The first time I heard War, I thought to myself, what the fuck is this supposed to be? Did Vikernes have a brain fart and suddenly feel compelled to pretend he did thrash and suddenly remember something else? The entire track is repulsive.

[Kris]

Been listening to A Storm of Light (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) recently. Doom/post-metal in a similar fashion to Neurosis. Good stuff!

Also a couple of others:
Korpiklaani (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Folk)
Alestorm (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Pirate metal :))
Ancestors (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Stoner/Prog/Doom)
Blut aus Nord (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Black/Doom)
Destroyer 666 (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Death/Thrash & Aussie!)

[mnmeq]

not super into black metal. I like darkthrone a bit and what striborg I've heard is ok (only heard spiritual catharsis). some interesting musical ideas in there, but I find it hard to get past the trebly production.
anyway just saw SUNN 0))) recently. not sure if attila csihar was doing vox because everyone was well robed. but if you like them at all on record I highly recommend seeing them live. and take some earplugs.

[Kris]

not super into black metal. I like darkthrone a bit and what striborg I've heard is ok (only heard spiritual catharsis). some interesting musical ideas in there, but I find it hard to get past the trebly production.

Yeah I can relate. Personally I don't really like much 'vanilla' black metal. I much prefer it spliced with other sub-genres, especially when it results in a more melodic sound. Some that I especially like are Arcturus, Bal Sagoth, Dimmu Borgir, Dissection, Finntroll, Graveworm, Illnath, Impaled Nazarene, Lux Occulta, Old Man's Child, Stormlord, Zyklon.

[everlost]

I much prefer it spliced with other sub-genres, especially when it results in a more melodic sound.

Oh, yes, I couldn't agree more! 3 bands I think deserve special mention when it comes to melodic bm are Dawn (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), Vinterland (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and Sacramentum (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). Really great, melancholic bm full of atmosphere. Everyone should check these out.

[Kriega von Wulf]

ChthoniC (oriental black metal... from Taiwan)
Old Man's Child (melodic black metal)
Finntroll (viking/folk Metal)
Agathodaimon (symphonic black metal)
Cryptic Wintermoon (melodic black metal)

My personal favorites.

[Conservationist]

Burzum!, Ya, I'm going to look into some of the names mentioned in recent posts. Glad you're all on board with Franz. I'd have to say it's a bit surprising. It seems I've been finding more satisfaction with older and older music. Old Perotin is quite intriguing, the 12th century precursor to Phillip Glass.

But back to metal. Forgive my suspicion but metal conjures the dreary expressions of bands like Metallica, Godsmack, Black Flag, Apoptygma Berzerk, etc. Perhaps you'd categorize them otherwise?

Dissonance is fine but at some level it's use as music becomes nothing more than the well worn "artist's" prank - the attempt to substitute the showman's provocations for artistic merit. A angry animal's growl, a landslide, the crack of a falling tree, explosions - they engage the flight or fight response. The over-amplified guitar accomplishes the same thing. I fear that a good share of metal's appeal is little more than an attempt to stir to some form of life the fast-food and game-boy narcotized legions.

So far, here is what my search for Barzum turned up:

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Probably not what you had in mind.

I will look into Perotin.

Regarding classifications:

Metallica -- speed metal, now rock
Godsmack -- I don't know
Black Flag -- punk hardcore
Apoptygma Berzerk -- industrial, but check out Anders Odden's old band, Cadaver

A search for "Barzum" will fail, but a search for BURZUM (all vowels are u) will turn up what you seek!





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While Rob Darken can be dismissed as an incessantly LARPing twat who composes twat music for disempowered twats in the national forest, it's somewhat more difficult to avoid Burzum if one is fond of atmospheric black metal.

I disagree. I think his stuff is quite musical, especially Lord Wind. If I listen to Bad Brains and don't mind their politics, I'm not going to self-censor and hold his politics against him.

[stasis]

There is no disputing Filosofem nor Hvis Lyset Tar Oss having laid an exceptional landmark in the genre as they continue to stand-out from the endless floods of copy cat so-called BM bands these days. I think it also brings forth that BM is not a static mold which has to have a particular style of drumming, vocals and strong structures. Believing that puts you in the same , agonizingly small and limiting frame which simply creates another batch of useless clones rehashing the tired old formulas and aesthetics.
Yeah. In the interview snippet (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) included with one of the Transylvanian Hunger re-releases, Fenriz observes that drums in black metal need to do little more than "be there". I think Varg probably summarized the second-wave black metal approach when he discussed recording Filosofem. Deliberately reaching for the crappiest microphone available in the studio, amongst other things, he wanted to break from the comparatively polished and technical death metal aesthetic. Instead of forwarding an emphasis on musical arrangement, black metal seems (or seemed) to be first and foremost about evoking an atmosphere - as opposed to provoking feelings directly, conveying a narrative, or establishing novel structure. I'd say this puts black metal compositionally at odds with most other metal (and with a lot of music, in general), so I am not too surprised when musicians coming into BM place too much emphasis on what happened to be the musical or lyrical structures forwarded by the earlier bands. That's what they - what most people, I'm guessing - are used to listening for. We can blame the influence of classical music. However, given the abbreviated output of some of the outstanding bands, I don't mind a bit of well-done cloning. These can be effective expansions of previously anemic discographies.


Many bands fall prey to repeating and remaining firmly rooted in an industry standard thus sounding stale and ultimately boring. Some refuse to follow the crowd in repeating the accepted standards and opt to explore, push the boundaries forward and take their own musiciansip to new heights.
I see what you mean. In that case, I think you'll find Funeral Mist to consist of the "hail satan" approach. You may have more luck with Ondskapt. On sterility, in industrial and post-industrial circles something similar has happened to power electronics. There are in fact only so many times the artist can sample serial-murderer confessions while flooding the levels before it becomes an act of self-parody. Like black metal, there seems to be a steady influx of artists who approach music from the traditional perspective, basically nullifying whatever was avant-garde about the thing. While this kind of refinement is certainly not something I'd call a problem, it does signify the end of ground-breaking and the beginning of polishing. Whenever this happens it's probably time for a new subgenre. Post-black, or whatever. But what do you think of the subdivisions that are sort of cropping up within black metal itself? Depressive, atmospheric, melodic and so forth?



I disagree. I think his stuff is quite musical, especially Lord Wind.
The song that doesn't end (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is also "quite musical". What are you disagreeing with? My calling him a twat?


Apoptygma Berzerk -- industrial
False.

[Conservationist]

That said, separating black metal from satanism seems kind of strange to me. Although I suppose an industrial bleakness is comparable as far as subject matter critiquing or escaping the modern world is concerned, it needn't be applied to the exclusion of the former.

Instead of forwarding an emphasis on musical arrangement, black metal seems (or seemed) to be first and foremost about evoking an atmosphere - as opposed to provoking feelings directly, conveying a narrative, or establishing novel structure. I'd say this puts black metal compositionally at odds with most other metal (and with a lot of music, in general), so I am not too surprised when musicians coming into BM place too much emphasis on what happened to be the musical or lyrical structures forwarded by the earlier bands.

What are you disagreeing with? My calling him a twat?


I would not consider Apoptygma Berzerk to be metal; I may not know what it is. Cadaver is metal however.

I like your observations on black metal being about atmosphere, but I think arrangement is still important. Black metal is like low-tech melodic death metal with an emphasis on atmosphere. Note how much influence ATG and Godflesh had in the early BM bands.

I don't know if Satanism is what black metal is; Romanticism with an emphasis on the occult and political, thus more like Gothic (I'm thinking Frankenstein or Dracula).

I disagree with you calling Rob Darken a twat. I think he's intelligent. I think his views are intelligent. I do not agree, necessarily, but I don't think they are dumb.

[Kris]

Well I have recently been obsessed with finding and listening to metal covers of songs. Thought I'd share some of my favorites:

Norther - The Final Countdown (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Europe)
Circle Of The Tyrants - Obituary (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Celtic Frost)
At The Gates - Captor Of Sin (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Slayer)
Death - Painkiller (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Judas Priest)
Tool - No Quarter (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Led Zeppelin)
Iced Earth - Transylvania (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Iron Maiden)
Demons & Wizards - The Immigrant Song (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Led Zeppelin)
Blind Guardian - Surfin' USA (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (The Beach Boys)
Metallica - Astronomy (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Blue Oyster Cult)
Megadeth - These Boots (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Nancy Sinatra)
Decapitated - Mandatory Suicide (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Slayer)
Nightwish - The Phantom Of The Opera (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
Darkseed - Paint It Black (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Rolling Stones)
Ensiferum - Battery (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) (Metallica)

[stasis]

I would not consider Apoptygma Berzerk to be metal
Nor would I. It's just that calling them industrial sounds (to me) like calling KoRn a NWOBHM band. Apop plays assorted strains of synthpop and rockish club stuff with an emphasis on oontz oontz and gloom-ay par-tay. They don't apply an industrial aesthetic at all, despite maybe absorbing by osmosis a few random sonic textures pioneered by electro-industrial projects and spinning their dance music at dance clubs where goffs do the swirly dance.


Note how much influence ATG and Godflesh had in the early BM bands.
I don't know nearly enough about the anthropology of metal to comment about that in particular, beyond making the observation that Darkthrone started as an outright death metal band and that the subgenre, being metal, is obviously influenced by older metal of all sorts. Still - a thing is not what it is influenced by, unless that thing more closely resembles simple recombination than mutation. I will grant that many black metal bands may be packing other forms of metal into corpse paint, but surely, such an approach denies them their thrice-xeroxed and purposefully tattered tr00 kvlt card.


I don't know if Satanism is what black metal is; Romanticism with an emphasis on the occult and political, thus more like Gothic (I'm thinking Frankenstein or Dracula).
To those who do not subscribe to a Christian worldview, the concept of satanism has no real meaning in the first place. I can agree that black metal is steeped in romanticism. I'd contend that it is a romanticism rejective of the philosophical narrative of Christian culture, in favor of a specifically alternative mysticism. I think this disdain is a necessary precursor to (or, in cannibalistic (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) fashion, a type of social catalyst for) the knowledge-seeking of the occult atmosphere black metal seems to orbit. Because the west is currently dominated by a Christian mythos, referencing satanism becomes the most obvious means of symbolizing the alt-character of the black metal aesthetic.

But that part of my post was mostly a misunderstanding of what jesse was talking about. In my experience, people who lament the maliciously blasphemous component of black metal are often the angsting suburban religious who desire more Jesus-friendly fare in the shallows of their darkness. I find this desire aesthetically incompatible with black metal because it basically precludes the whole of the premise that defined and went on to drive the romantic atmosphere of the subgenre. While an organic variation in the darkness of the imagery is one thing - a welcome change, at times, even - to actually want to sever black metal from its own germ in this manner is to render it aesthetically impotent in my opinion.

[Conservationist]

Well I have recently been obsessed with finding and listening to metal covers of songs.

Add "Rock Lobster" by dead horse (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)!

Nor would I. It's just that calling them industrial sounds (to me) like calling KoRn a NWOBHM band. Apop plays assorted strains of synthpop and rockish club stuff with an emphasis on oontz oontz and gloom-ay par-tay.

I can agree with this.

I will grant that many black metal bands may be packing other forms of metal into corpse paint, but surely, such an approach denies them their thrice-xeroxed and purposefully tattered tr00 kvlt card.

Remember that, before Darkthrone's 2nd album, that aesthetic did not exist in the genre...

I can agree that black metal is steeped in romanticism. I'd contend that it is a romanticism rejective of the philosophical narrative of Christian culture, in favor of a specifically alternative mysticism. I think this disdain is a necessary precursor to (or, in cannibalistic (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) fashion, a type of social catalyst for) the knowledge-seeking of the occult atmosphere black metal seems to orbit. Because the west is currently dominated by a Christian mythos, referencing satanism becomes the most obvious means of symbolizing the alt-character of the black metal aesthetic.

A really interesting discussion along these lines, meaning finding a post-humanist (secular Judeo-Christian) mythos, at this location (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

Black metal seems to me a romantic genre that, by asserting the importance of sacralization of life including both negative and positive, is contrary to the sorting of life into good/evil common to JC ideals, including their secular form, humanism/progressivism/liberalism.

This is why so many bands went NS, in a symbolic sense: they're shouting from the heights that morality is the tool of the weak.

From another thread:


Except that there are and always will be inherent differences in ability, so some must work more and some less, with different results...

It's the hurdle humanity must get over: inequality. One side says subsidize it, the other side says natural selection.

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Black metal is natural selection. Death metal took less of a side; it was more there to remind us that social logic is not reality.

In my experience, people who lament the maliciously blasphemous component of black metal are often the angsting suburban religious who desire more Jesus-friendly fare in the shallows of their darkness. I find this desire aesthetically incompatible with black metal because it basically precludes the whole of the premise that defined and went on to drive the romantic atmosphere of the subgenre. While an organic variation in the darkness of the imagery is one thing - a welcome change, at times, even - to actually want to sever black metal from its own germ in this manner is to render it aesthetically impotent in my opinion.

I agree 100% (or more if I could).

Great article on this topic:

Assimilation (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

And the evolution of ideology/philosophy/worldview throughout metal!

[HackerX]

Well I have recently been obsessed with finding and listening to metal covers of songs.

Opeth - Remember Tomorrow (Iron Maiden) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
Sonata Arctica - Fade To Black (Metallica) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
Reverend Bizarre - Dunkelheit (Burzum) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
Therion - Summer Night City (ABBA) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
Nightwish - Symphony Of Destruction (Megadeth) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
Raventale - Sunset of the Age (Anathema) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)
Cradle of Filth - Sleepless (Anathema) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Off the top of my head.

[Conservationist]

Did you mention Celtic Frost "Mexican Radio"?

[stasis]

Black metal seems to me a romantic genre that, by asserting the importance of sacralization of life including both negative and positive, is contrary to the sorting of life into good/evil common to JC ideals, including their secular form, humanism/progressivism/liberalism.

This is why so many bands went NS, in a symbolic sense: they're shouting from the heights that morality is the tool of the weak.
The disproportion of NSBM bands coming out of Russia and Ukraine probably has more to do with the implosion of the CCCP than it does with black metal acting as some kind of memetic wedge, shunting people into that particular philosophical space. As the number of NazBols with the Russian Federation tag at last.fm suggests, this phenomenon is not restricted to or localized within black metal. It seems to be a much broader cultural phenomenon over there.

Hitler's party was oriented to appeal to the depression-era German audience of the time; a socio-political climate rife with the type of low self-esteem and dissolution of identity that comes along with the loss of a critical engagement like World War I. You had humiliating capitulation treaties, crushing debts and so forth. The NSDAP capitalized upon this mass angst by saying: no, you aren't shamed - in actuality you are overmen who have been betrayed. And in this fashion, naturally, the bare nazi aesthetic may appeal to anybody, anywhere, who experiences feelings of having become politically and/or (perhaps especially) culturally dispossessed. It's a cannibalistic means of social aspiration. The post-Soviet experience in former bloc countries seems a strong parallel to me.

Of course any artform revolving around the alt-cultural is going to tend to accumulate more overt expressions of this sentiment, if only because it is already catering to a fanbase more likely to tolerate antisocial narratives. So we can find neonazism well-represented in genres like metal, punk (oi), neofolk, et cetera.

I've spent the past several days perusing articles about metal on the site (ANUS) you linked. A lot of it was interesting; thanks. However, I think an argument drawn from that literature overestimates the social scope of metal subculture when used as a model for explaining phenomena like this. Bands aren't 'going NS' because of the philosophical implications of black metal. The eastern collision of the two looks like happenstance to me. Happenstance on the order of the collision of black metal and live action roleplaying in Poland. "Feeble Screams," indeed.

In contrast, industrial projects like Genocide Organ (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) or The Grey Wolves (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) may present a better example of the type of apolitical critique of morality that you describe. It bears little resemblance to Darkthrone's "Norsk Arisk" stunt and certainly none to the outright neonazism of the Blazebirth Hall bands.

[lamplighter]

Anthrax was already mentioned several times.

And I doubt if the three bands bolded are really metal.

GWAR seems to be nothing more than just shock rock. Maybe the early days had a bit of a thrash influence, but that is more punk than metal if anything.
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I disagree I just saw them on their last tour and, over the top, yes, political, yes, punk, no. Now they have some punk influence, but I think even Motorhead has some punk influence, however I doubt anyone is going to call Motorhead punk anytime soon. I believe Gwar stands squarely in the Metal genre, and I dare anyone to call War Party (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) a punk song.

[Shorgenfunkel]

however I doubt anyone is going to call Motorhead punk anytime soon.

Listen to their early material (I mean their really early material, like their debut), and then get back here on that one.

Also Lemmy himself has remarked that Motorhead "sounded like punk but looked like metal."

I'm pretty sure that was during their early/early-mid period when they were a punk/crossover band, and I agree that they're thrash metal now, but hey, just an FYI that people did call them punk at a time.

[lamplighter]

Listen to their early material (I mean their really early material, like their debut), and then get back here on that one.

Also Lemmy himself has remarked that Motorhead "sounded like punk but looked like metal."

I'm pretty sure that was during their early/early-mid period when they were a punk/crossover band, and I agree that they're thrash metal now, but hey, just an FYI that people did call them punk at a time.

Oh hell, R.A.M.O.N.E.S. is a punk song, and they recorded that in '91, and several songs were heavily influenced by the protopunk band The Stooges. But punk and metal have seemed to have a had pretty close relationship since their inception anyway. We have a saying in Tampa Bay "All punk kids grow up to be metal heads".

[JTG1984]

I dont know if any of you metalheads are into this but going to see Judas Priest tonight! Going to be sick.

[Deadgod]

I dont know if any of you metalheads are into this but going to see Judas Priest tonight! Going to be sick.

Kick ass! I might see them in two weeks. All depends if my friend is not gonna be a pussy.

I was just listening to them this morning.

I have "You got another thing comin'" stuck in my head.

Hope you enjoy it.

[Kris]

I dont know if any of you metalheads are into this but going to see Judas Priest tonight! Going to be sick.

Awesome!

Clicky (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

[BrackSabbiff]

ah fellow metalhead brethren :]

nice to know I'm in good company

curious, how many people know/like Racer X?

[Shorgenfunkel]

curious, how many people know/like Racer X?

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Paul Gilbert's tone > many, many things.

[BrackSabbiff]

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Paul Gilbert's tone > many, many things.

we should be friends :O

[Conservationist]

I doubt anyone is going to call Motorhead punk anytime soon.

Motorhead helped punk become what it eventually was. Discharge, The Exploited, the Amebix... these guys all heard Motorhead and wanted to be Motorhead.

1968 was Iggy and the Stooges, 1974 was the Ramones, and then 1976 was Motorhead.

I disagree that "thrash metal" exists. Thrash (DRI, COC, MDC) isn't metal.

[Winterstorm]

curious, how many people know/like Racer X?

Paul Gilbert is my master! :D I love his crazy solos with so much feeling, his style, his guitars, his everything :P

[Therion]

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUL GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIILBERT.


I crack up every time I watch the "Down in Mexico" video.

[Shorgenfunkel]

I feel kinda bad for Bruce Boulliet. I mean, he's obviously at a similar level of ability to Gilbert (if you check any decent Racer X tabs, you'll see the guitar parts are divided up pretty much equally) but Gilbert gets all the glory.

I know music isn't an attention contest, but hey.

Or, another possiblity which is probable: he could have wanted it that way.

[Therion]

I feel kinda bad for Bruce Boulliet. I mean, he's obviously at a similar level of ability to Gilbert (if you check any decent Racer X tabs, you'll see the guitar parts are divided up pretty much equally) but Gilbert gets all the glory.

I know music isn't an attention contest, but hey.

Or, another possiblity which is probable: he could have wanted it that way.

I think you'll find most of the time the musicians want it to be that way.
Session musicians. Need I say more?

You'd be amazed at some of the talent out there you've heard but never heard of.

[Conservationist]

The disproportion of NSBM bands coming out of Russia and Ukraine probably has more to do with the implosion of the CCCP than it does with black metal acting as some kind of memetic wedge, shunting people into that particular philosophical space. As the number of NazBols with the Russian Federation tag at last.fm suggests, this phenomena is not restricted to or localized within black metal. It seems to be a much broader cultural phenomena over there.

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I've spent the past several days perusing articles about metal on the site (ANUS) you linked. A lot of it was interesting; thanks. However, I think an argument drawn from that literature overestimates the social scope of metal subculture when used as a model for explaining phenomena like this. Bands aren't 'going NS' because of the philosophical implications of black metal. The eastern collision of the two looks like happenstance to me. Happenstance on the order of the collision of black metal and live action roleplaying in Poland. "Feeble Screams," indeed.

Thanks for reading.

I don't know much about "metal subculture" now; I can only speak for the early 1990s black metal crew, who hit Romanticism on all levels: worship of ruins, a sense of being inspired by the divine in material reality, nationalism and a love of natural selection. I think if you look at the people who founded death metal and black metal, you'll see support for "the ANUS thesis."

I'm not sure most "neo-nationalists" are nationalists so much as... a hybrid between isolationist, anti-leftist and racist (or racial realist, if they prefer those terms). For example, I'm not sure what NSBM actually stands for; these people seem like they'd agree with leftist parties on everything except "Genocide of Jews? (y/n)" and "Exile non-natives? (y/n)".

[JTG1984]

Im going to see a band next week that call themselves Heaven and Hell. The frontman is Ronnie James Dio he used to in Black Sabbath? Is this band Metal? Have you heard of this guy? :laugh:

[everlost]

Im going to see a band next week that call themselves Heaven and Hell. The frontman is Ronnie James Dio he used to in Black Sabbath? Is this band Metal? Have you heard of this guy? :laugh:

Ever heard of Ronnie James Dio? Haha, yes, of course! And yeah, they're metal. Enjoy the concert, those guys are metal legends.

[JTG1984]

Ever heard of Ronnie James Dio? Haha, yes, of course! And yeah, they're metal. Enjoy the concert, those guys are metal legends.

haha that was sarcasm! But I will thanks!

[Shorgenfunkel]

Im going to see a band next week that call themselves Heaven and Hell. The frontman is Ronnie James Dio he used to in Black Sabbath? Is this band Metal? Have you heard of this guy? :laugh:
A+, would rage again.

And that's awesome. I'm seeing 'em later this month.

[everlost]

haha that was sarcasm! But I will thanks!

Oh, I should've guessed hehe :blush:, oh well, sarcasm can be hard to detect when it's in writing.

[Kris]

LOL, won free tickets to see Five Finger Death Punch tomorrow night. I don't like them but figure there will be plenty of interesting ladies to converse with :laugh:

Now I've gotta convince someone to come with me, which may be difficult!

[Therion]

Sweet mother of Jesus Mary Joseph. Therion's new album f*cking OTo view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The Miskolc Experience is a 2 part set. The first CD is all instrumental and features a symphony. They play classical songs in a style you would expect to hear only from Trans-Siberian Orchestra.... While the originals on the CDs are great, this album shines around the classical songs... I now have a new way to experience some of my favorite Wagner pieces.. It's simply AMAZING! Everyone must buy it.

Part 1 - Classical Adventures: (44 min.)
01. Clavicula Nox
02. Dvorak: Excerpt from Symphony no. 9
03. Verdi: Vedi! le fosche notturne spotigle from Il Trovatore
04. Mozart: "Dies Irae" from Reqiuem
05. Saint-Saens: Excerpt from Symphony No. 3
06. Wagner: "Notung! Notung! Niedliches Schwert!" from The Ring
07. Wagner: Excerpt from the Overture from Rienzi
08. Wagner: Second part of "Der Tag ist da" from Rienzzi
09. Wagner: First part of "Herbei! Herbei!" from Rienzi

Part 2 - Therion Songs: (66 min.)
01. Blood Of Kingu
02. Sirius B
03. Lemuria
04. Eternal Return
05. Draconian Trilogy
06. Schwartsalbenheim
07. Via Nocturna
08. The Rise Of Sodom And Gomorrah
09. Grand Finale





There's cream in my pants after listening to this..... oh my gawd.