Makeup

[Jezebel]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?

[Rei]

Usually no, but occasionally I feel like going through the trouble.
Why? Because there's no one I need to impress, but I like being extra pretty for myself from time to time ;D

[Firelie]

I'll wear makeup when I have the time to put it on in the morning, which isn't very often since I usually pack my time pretty tight in the morning to allow for as much sleep and dawdling as possible. When I do, though, it's usually just eye makeup because I can't seem to find concealer that doesn't make my skin break out and I'm not willing to spend $30 on some fancy stuff without knowing if it'll work or not. I do love makeup, though, and enjoy experimenting with it (if any of you have seen the pictures on my myspace page, you'll know. rofl :scared:)

[rwyatt365]

Guy response;
Typically I don’t notice makeup unless it's too much. If I notice it then BEWARE, you probably look like you came from an interview with Ringling Bros. :scared: Personally I don't particularly like makeup on women, but again, if I don't notice it then you fooled me. :thumbsup:

I prefer honesty to "beauty". I don't color my grey hair, comb-over my bald spot, or suck in my pot belly – if you don't care for that then why should I disguise that from you (you'll only find out later)? I only ask for the same thing from a woman. Sure, it would be nice to have physical perfection but if I approach you with holes in my jeans why should I expect you to be wearing <insert you favorite designer>? The same goes for my looks versus yours.

Let's be honest!

[OneBadMother]

Every once in a while, with accordingly nice garb. I prefer to be low-maintenance and practical with my appearance overall, though. If somebody doesn't like me when I'm dressed normally, good riddance. It's a sort of anti-come on filter.

[Opti]

I wear very light natural looking makeup for work. For me it hides my tiredness.

[Jezebel]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?
On a daily basis, no, I don't wear any at all. I don't understand girls who put on a lot of makeup everyday. It's too time consuming, plus I don't want extra attention, plus I don't mind the way I look without anything.

Though I seldom wear any at all I will under a couple of circumstances: when I see an advantage to it, such as a job interview. Or just randomly doing it for fun to see how I can alter the way I look. I get in those weird moods occasionally.

[Rei]

I'll wear makeup when I have the time to put it on in the morning, which isn't very often since I usually pack my time pretty tight in the morning to allow for as much sleep and dawdling as possible. *When I do, though, it's usually just eye makeup because I can't seem to find concealer that doesn't make my skin break out and I'm not willing to spend $30 on some fancy stuff without knowing if it'll work or not. *I do love makeup, though, and enjoy experimenting with it (if any of you have seen the pictures on my myspace page, you'll know. rofl *:scared:)

Ditto about the experimenting part. *It's just fun... but i'd probably never go in public with most of my 'artistic ideas' *:-X

Every once in a while, with accordingly nice garb. I prefer to be low-maintenance and practical with my appearance overall, though. If somebody doesn't like me when I'm dressed normally, good riddance. It's a sort of anti-come on filter.
:thumbsup:
I got whistled at one time I wore make up to a school concert. It was disturbing to say the least.
Though apparently I look angrier with makeup on, so I don't know which is a better anti-come-on filter.

[bikerscars]

i've always preferred the fresh out of the shower look on women...

no makeup, no finger/toenail polish, natural hair color, no jewelry...

although a slight hint of perfume appeals to me

[Guido]

I've always preferred the natural look, and nothing terribly extravagant. I usually don't notice a girls makeup in a positive light as it can only be so natural looking if I notice. Also, I'm not a fan of dyed hair either as this also looks fake. Too much makeup just makes girls look weird... I mean why not walk around with a mask on if you want to hide your face so badly o.0

[Firelie]

Too much makeup just makes girls look weird... I mean why not walk around with a mask on if you want to hide your face so badly o.0

lol You just reminded me of this one woman who rides the same bus as me in the mornings. *Every morning she gets on the bus, sits down, and basically applies a mask to her face. *She uses at least a dozen products (most of which I didn't know the purpose of until I watched her use them), but oddly enough, she doesn't look like she's all that made up when she's finished. *She just looks a lot less tired.

[TeleportThis]

I don't wear make-up. I don't even own any. I don't like the idea of make-up. If I got noticed more by wearing it, I think that would just make me feel ugly, because that's not what I really look like. Kind of backwards of how most people think of it, but yeah...

I think it would be nice to know how to apply make-up for job interviews, but I don't, and probably won't ever bother with it.

[Rei]

Too much makeup just makes girls look weird... I mean why not walk around with a mask on if you want to hide your face so badly o.0

lol You just reminded me of this one woman who rides the same bus as me in the mornings. Every morning she gets on the bus, sits down, and basically applies a mask to her face. She uses at least a dozen products (most of which I didn't know the purpose of until I watched her use them), but oddly enough, she doesn't look like she's all that made up when she's finished. She just looks a lot less tired.

LOL!
I'm guessing it's just lots and lots of cover up for different parts of the face and such?
I sure could use some to cover the bags under my eyes sometimes.

Then again... it's university, everyone looks like crap [smiley=blank.gif]

[Firelie]

Too much makeup just makes girls look weird... I mean why not walk around with a mask on if you want to hide your face so badly o.0

lol You just reminded me of this one woman who rides the same bus as me in the mornings. *Every morning she gets on the bus, sits down, and basically applies a mask to her face. *She uses at least a dozen products (most of which I didn't know the purpose of until I watched her use them), but oddly enough, she doesn't look like she's all that made up when she's finished. *She just looks a lot less tired.

LOL!
I'm guessing it's just lots and lots of cover up for different parts of the face and such?
I sure could use some to cover the bags under my eyes sometimes.

Then again... it's university, everyone looks like crap * [smiley=blank.gif]

Yeah, basically. And some subtle eye makeup.
I could actually use some to cover the dark circles under my eyes, but every time I try to wear something there it just seems to bring more attention to the fact that the skin there is different from the rest of my face and I get bothered by it.

[wolf]

I dislike makeup on women, particularly of the visible variety. I'm with bikerscars on this one and TeleportThis on the backward view of it.

Of the women I've seen with/without, only one looked better with makeup (because she was really ugly), and at least four of them were stunning without makeup, while they were far less attractive with it. This usually goes for jewelry, too - I'm naturally attracted to girls with no jewelry, particularly those with perfect (unpierced) ears, which I'll actually notice.

[Rei]

This usually goes for jewelry, too - I'm naturally attracted to girls with no jewelry, particularly those with perfect (unpierced) ears, which I'll actually notice.

Unpierced ears.
I had this huge dilemma over whether or not I should pierce my ears this summer because of that exact reason. I like my ears perfect and without some artificial hole in it. But my sister got me really expensive earrings... and I must say I like picking out jewellery even if I don't wear it often. So yeah... I gave in... and got them pierced last month... And I'm still regretting it :-/

Jewellery:
I have always worn a pendent since my mother gave me one for my birthday. Usually a ring as well, because I got so used to wearing it at one point that now when I'm not wearing it I feel like I lost something.

Elaborate accessorizing really bugs me. When I see girls with these big huge necklaces and bangles and such on, I really don't get how they can stand it. I tried to wear bracelets before... I always had to take them off halfway through the day.

[Firelie]

I'm not sure I would've gotten my ears pierced if I'd had the choice. My mom got them pierced for me when I was 3. I very rarely wear earrings (maybe once a year at most, if I have an occasion that calls for decoration), yet the holes won't close. You know what's really awful? Those people that stretch out their earlobes with big plugs. That shit is like...totally in fashion here in Portland right now, and all I can think about is how stupid these people are going to feel when they try and move to a professional environment later on in life and find that no one will take them seriously because their earlobes are drooping to their shoulders....

[anul]

I prefer women who wear makeup. I don't want a lot of make up, and I don't want you to look like a clown prostitute. I don't really notice makeup on women that much unless it's done well. I primarily focus on the makeup that my wife wears, because she's the only reason why I know anything about makeup (she's an ENTP). At first I started to learn about makeup in an effort to cover my ass, so if I was going to buy her makeup I would purchase her the right items. Then as time went on I picked up application and technique as well.

I also find perfume gross and I think it all smells like old women. Some perfume doesn't smell like old lady, but those are generally sweet smelling and intended for younger women. But having some in the car is always good for covering smells.

Makeup can be fun and exciting when used properly by someone who knows what they're doing.

[OneBadMother]

I'm not sure I would've gotten my ears pierced if I'd had the choice. *My mom got them pierced for me when I was 3. *I very rarely wear earrings (maybe once a year at most, if I have an occasion that calls for decoration), yet the holes won't close. *You know what's really awful? *Those people that stretch out their earlobes with big plugs. *That shit is like...totally in fashion here in Portland right now, and all I can think about is how stupid these people are going to feel when they try and move to a professional environment later on in life and find that no one will take them seriously because their earlobes are drooping to their shoulders....

Ah, my mother got my ears pierced when I was very young as well. I hope those gauge things can close up, otherwise they'll be in trouble.

What annoys me more is tongue piercings, though. They aren't attractive, they impede your speech, and I'm sure they're quite nasty when infected.

[anul]

I'm not sure I would've gotten my ears pierced if I'd had the choice. My mom got them pierced for me when I was 3. I very rarely wear earrings (maybe once a year at most, if I have an occasion that calls for decoration), yet the holes won't close. You know what's really awful? Those people that stretch out their earlobes with big plugs. That shit is like...totally in fashion here in Portland right now, and all I can think about is how stupid these people are going to feel when they try and move to a professional environment later on in life and find that no one will take them seriously because their earlobes are drooping to their shoulders....

Ah, my mother got my ears pierced when I was very young as well. I hope those gauge things can close up, otherwise they'll be in trouble.

What annoys me more is tongue piercings, though. They aren't attractive, they impede your speech, and I'm sure they're quite nasty when infected.

There is a procedure that reattaches a stretched earlobe. Sometime if the earlobe isn't stretched too far it will close up some but not all the way. The procedure to reattach the earlobe is that they cut off the excess earlobe and sew what's left back to the ear. Also if you want stretched ears but don't want to stretch them, they can cut your ears so you can insert large gauges instantly, but then your ears won't heal, and they will have to be sewn to look normal again.

[TeleportThis]

What annoys me more is tongue piercings, though. They aren't attractive, they impede your speech, and I'm sure they're quite nasty when infected.

I have tongue ring. It doesn't impede my speech because it is far enough back. Most people don't even notice and when they do they are very surprised to learn that I have one.

[wolf]

Since it's mentioned above: I don't like perfume, either. I like the sweet, sweet lack of scent of a clean person.

[Jezebel]

I never got my ears pierced. People have been trying to talk me into it all my life though. Seems a bit odd to me that I'm the strange one for not wanting to punch holes in my ears... I never notice earrings much anyway.

[biased]

Small amounts of makeup are alright if it looks natural or you are going out or something. If it looks natural and isn't noticeable I have no problems with girls wearing make up however no makeup is preferred.

[Tarrick]

My opinion: If you want to, go for it. But my opinion of your face may vary depending on how it looks.

[OneBadMother]

On the topic of scent for males, heavy aftershave/cologne is trashy and highly unattractive. <_< I much prefer the scent of soap or my personal favorite, soap and fresh laundry.

[Firelie]

On the topic of scent for males, heavy aftershave/cologne is trashy and highly unattractive. <_< I much prefer the scent of soap or my personal favorite, soap and fresh laundry.

Seconded. Nothing quite as soothing as the smell of clean skin.

[Tarrick]

On the topic of scent for males, heavy aftershave/cologne is trashy and highly unattractive. <_< I much prefer the scent of soap or my personal favorite, soap and fresh laundry.

Oh I hate cologne and aftershave. Stuff smells so bad....

[Rei]

On the topic of scent for males, heavy aftershave/cologne is trashy and highly unattractive. <_< I much prefer the scent of soap or my personal favorite, soap and fresh laundry.

Fresh scent of soap is alright, but I do prefer a light/balanced aftershave. Then again, very few aftershaves smell nice to me, and soap generally always smells good.

[wolf]

No scents for me, either, except soap.

[Jon]

I'm really sensitive to perfumes and colognes. If it's freshly applied, my nose goes crazy and I have to get far away. It's like a dust allergy, if you guys are familiar with that. If it weren't for that discomfort, I probably wouldn't even notice. I never notice makeup anyway.

[BadgerDad]

I dont think guys notice make-up; what they notice is a total lack of effort that is generally linked to a low self esteem.

[banzai]

I'm not a huge fan of it. I can understand it in very light amounts for special occasions but normally, no.

I have the same opinion of cologne and perfume--who are you trying to impress anyways? Just seems like a lot of effort to impress people.

If I like how a gal looks and smells, then I like her just the way she is without a bunch of "artificial additives". :p

I tried hair gel once or twice... then I was walking by some guy with a bunch of jewelry and his hair all slicked up and I went and washed it out immediately.

[PortInStorm]

re: makeup. I don't think men know they appreciate makeup. Sometimes a guy will acknowledge that he likes her eyes, her lips, etc, but well-applied makeup accentuates these without being noticable as such. I think I apply mine pretty naturally- I look like I've been exercising with a healthy glow and greenish eyes. But it also doesn't keep me from actually working out, eating right etc that contributes to looking good naturally. Same for all the other things that look natural but are artificial- smooth legs, shiny nails, hair that's not 'blah', no unibrow, etc.

As for good smells on guys, it sounds wierd, but antiperspirant is smelling good these days, and I like the kind mine wears.

[robin.]

I pretty much won't leave the house unless I have makeup on. However, it takes me under a minute to apply and most people never notice I'm wearing makeup. I actually had a couple of girls ask me once if I was wearing makeup, because they had been looking for a while and hadn't been able to figure it out. If I can even fool girls, I must be doing something right!

Also, I only use shades of brown, never black. I put on a little eyeliner under the eye, a darker shade of eyeshadow on the outer half of the lid, and a lighter shade to blend it in. I've been using the same stuff for years, it literally takes under a minute, and it's only to subtly enhance what I've got, not to add anything that I don't.

I've never been one to pile the stuff on, and I really dislike when girls go for the "raccoon eyes" look. Not appealing. In my opinion, I shouldn't be able to tell you're wearing it, and it shouldn't take you long to put on.

[Lucid]

I've found that less is more when it comes to most cosmetics, perfume, jewelry, etc.
Normally, I wear eyeliner and mascara and maybe some lip gloss. If I have a particularly bad zit or something I'll put concealer over it.
Only for special occasions do I bother with eye shadow, powder, lipstick, eyebrow pencil, etc. Even then I usually go for a somewhat understated look. I never wear blush and only very rarely wear base.

I think wearing a lot of makeup tends to make people look a bit older than they are. Also, it can detract from any natural beauty.

[niffer]

I very rarely wear makeup- only for going places at night or if it looks good with what I'm wearing, if ever. The reason I have for this is that even though I don't generally wear makeup, people still tend to think I'm wearing a lot of it sometimes. I'm not sure why. Plus, I'm no pro at applying makeup, so it ends up making my facial features look all hard instead of soft, and I don't like that.

I'm considering getting my ears pierced during the holidays with a friend, but I'm beginning to not want to anymore. After all, not only do I pay money to lose skin, but the holes created will force me to have to spend money to buy more crap to fill them. Plus, earrings are hardly noticable unless they're the big sliver hoop kind.

Though they do bring the light up to your face. And they make an outfit look more complete..hmm..

edit: I would also like to mention that I actually like the smell of cologne, as long as it isn't too strong. It certainly makes the wearer of it noticed. My brain will actually make the connection of:
strong(er)/exotic/intoxicating smell = wants to be noticed = confident = alpha male

[chocky]

Hey niffer, you could always buy clip on ear-rings if you really needed the finishing touch for an outfit.

I've never worn make-up, the whole idea of it bends my mind - me, pretend to be beautiful? I'm sure the world would see through that fakery in 2 seconds flat.

The best use of make-up has to be theatrical; to create characters of surreal proportions. Cosmetics make sense in make-believe... in real life though? We live in a culture that encourages sexual exaggeration of features, but then condemns sexual freedom. I want no part of cultural hypocrisy.

[mielikki]

I don't wear makeup.
I work in industry fortunately, so I am not expected to.

Something about makeup intrinsically bothers me. It's probably for the same reason that clowns make me nervous....the whole "mask" thing....

[banzai]

edit: I would also like to mention that I actually like the smell of cologne, as long as it isn't too strong. It certainly makes the wearer of it noticed. My brain will actually make the connection of:
strong(er)/exotic/intoxicating smell = wants to be noticed = confident = alpha male

That is an interesting connection... I've always seen it the other way around, I feel least threatened by the guys who make an effort to spruce themselves up. On the other hand, if a guy can not only act confident but display a reason for said confidence, then I know I might have some competition... as if it ever really goes anywhere, but you get my meaning.

The best use of make-up has to be theatrical; to create characters of surreal proportions. Cosmetics make sense in make-believe... in real life though? We live in a culture that encourages sexual exaggeration of features, but then condemns sexual freedom. I want no part of cultural hypocrisy.

Indeed. Supposedly red lipstick is supposed to be reminiscent of something...

[logan235711]

gah, can't believe I missed this thread! I would want a person who didn't wear makeup--even for special occasions, I wouldn't desire it if I had the choice : )

[rwyatt365]

I would also like to mention that I actually like the smell of cologne, as long as it isn't too strong. It certainly makes the wearer of it noticed. My brain will actually make the connection of:
strong(er)/exotic/intoxicating smell = wants to be noticed = confident = alpha male
Argh! cologne/perfume gives me headaches! :stunned: I hate the stuff!

I don't wear it myself, and being around women that wear perfume eventually will make me physically ill (depending on how much they have on); first a headache, then nausea. When my wife wears it I have to open the (car, or house) windows to keep from being sick.

That's just another reason why I don't do much socializing, someone always has on too much perfume/cologne and I get sick.

[generalowk]

I dislike makeup and perfume on women. It gets used way too excessively.

[tiffytwotons]

I think if it makes women feel better about themselves, more power to it. And for all the women who don't wear any, doesn't it make you feel superhot in your clean face and sweatpants??Maybe it's just me.
But yeah the ear stretching is sick..
"I wish my lawn was Emo so it would cut itself."

[Jezebel]

So the goal in wearing makeup is to make yourself more attractive, right? I'm curious about this since it's not something I particularly care about, and if anything, it would conflict with my desire to be left alone by most people. For those of you that do care about being more attractive by wearing makeup, is it because you're looking for a mate, or are you concerned about how the general public rates your looks? Do you find there are other advantages to wearing it?



And for all the women who don't wear any, doesn't it make you feel superhot in your clean face and sweatpants??
???

I don't own any sweatpants.

[Raven Queen]

I don't usually. But then it's still a novelty for me, and I like to try it out spontaneously, even if I'm just going out alone to someplace casual. It's more for fun than anything though, and making myself look better is secondary consideration... However, I think I might wear on a more frequent basis when I start work, it seems that you get treated better when you're attractive, and hopefully it might make others not mind my reserve or my usually angry/arrogant expression that much.. :thinking:

[radioactivez0r]

I'm yet another guy who prefers very little ("enhancing" on a minimal level) to none. I figure that I'd be attracted to how a person looks, not how they make themselves appear, because down the line you'll see them naturally anyway.

[OneHertz]

re: makeup. I don't think men know they appreciate makeup. Sometimes a guy will acknowledge that he likes her eyes, her lips, etc, but well-applied makeup accentuates these without being noticable as such. I think I apply mine pretty naturally- I look like I've been exercising with a healthy glow and greenish eyes. But it also doesn't keep me from actually working out, eating right etc that contributes to looking good naturally. Same for all the other things that look natural but are artificial- smooth legs, shiny nails, hair that's not 'blah', no unibrow, etc.

Agreed... I used to think I didn't like it as well before I saw some of my female friends with and without makeup and the difference was rather stunning. All perfumes give me headaches though :thumbsdown:

[robin.]

So the goal in wearing makeup is to make yourself more attractive, right? I'm curious about this since it's not something I particularly care about, and if anything, it would conflict with my desire to be left alone by most people. For those of you that do care about being more attractive by wearing makeup, is it because you're looking for a mate, or are you concerned about how the general public rates your looks? Do you find there are other advantages to wearing it?

I wear it because it makes me look less tired and more alert. I don't wear it to attract anyone.

[The Many]

"Being natural is just another pose, and one that I find dreadfully tedious." - Lord Henry Wotton, in The Picture of Dorian Grey (at least that's more or less what he said, I may have screwed up the wording).

More seriously though, make-up is quite nice when it fits the girl. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I'm afraid there's not much more than this to say about the topic...

[WavesSootheMe]

I think wearing a lot of makeup tends to make people look a bit older than they are.

:laugh: That reminds me of when I went back to my sorority to help out with recruitment. After one of the recent grads (she's about 22) passed by, I overheard one of the potential members say something to the effect of, "oh your moms help out, that's so nice!" She cakes on tons of make up and dies her hair blond and it ages her a lot. It can make people look more than a bit older than they are.

I do wear the basics. 5 minutes in the morning. I learned everything I know about make-up from my little sister. I'd otherwise be lost. The point is to highlight attributes not to cover up. Every boyfriend I've ever had has said that he prefers me without it. I think I initially started wearing it when I was younger to make myself look closer to my age, which involved hiding my freckles a bit. I think putting a little on gives a slightly more polished look that shows that you care about and at least put a little effort into your appearance. I tried to stop wearing it to work recently (since I work with kids), but since I usually wear make-up, other teachers and aides seemed to think that the lack of effort in my appearance was a sign of something going wrong in my life. It brought more attention to me than desired. If the five minutes really bothered me, I could get over the hump to where me without it would be the norm, but it's much less of a hassle than dealing with the unwanted attention while I'm trying to provide one on one therapy for a child.

I had my ears pierced at the age of 6. I asked for it at 3 or 4, so my mom thinking I'd forget told me to wait until I was 6. I didn't mention it until my 6th birthday. They asked me what I wanted to do and my reply was to go to the mall and get my ears pierced. I guess she didn't really want me to get my ears pierced then, but she stayed true to her word. I wore earrings through about 6th grade or so. The holes are still there, but I almost never wear earrings now. I've had my nose pierced for 4 years, and that stays in all the time. Otherwise I only wear jewelry when i go out dancing and such.

[lessa]

I normally don't wear any makeup or perfume at all during the day. I also leave my gray hair natural. Ironically I used to always wear makeup, however, my a large portion of my current job is sales and I make a lot more money when I don't wear makeup. I never wore heavy makeup in the first place and worked hard to make it natural looking so I have no idea why this is. I like to joke that they want my brains not my beauty. I do wear makeup should my husband and I go out on date night.

[thegnat]

I wear make up on the rare special occasion. Some such like a family thing. Lip gloss and cover-up on the rare every-day occasion yet that's pretty rare.

I don't like wearing it every day. Partly I got lazy due to not wanting to bother taking it off before tennis. I don't think it's particularly good to be wearing it in lab either.

Sometimes I get compliments on my skin. On how I don't have to wear make up and look fine. So I really don't feel like I'm being too lazy to look better or what not.

On sweatpants: They are far more comfortable. I don't wear them all the time, but some look just fine. One person thought one pair of my sweat pants were dress pants until closer inspection. And some days like today I don't give a damn how I look (ie sick and/or exams).

[PortInStorm]

So the goal in wearing makeup is to make yourself more attractive, right? I'm curious about this since it's not something I particularly care about, and if anything, it would conflict with my desire to be left alone by most people. For those of you that do care about being more attractive by wearing makeup, is it because you're looking for a mate, or are you concerned about how the general public rates your looks? Do you find there are other advantages to wearing it?
I've thought about this, and I think it's because I know I'll be treated better in general (assuming that I've ended up looking nicer :-). It seems like a lot of men here like the natural look, but they're a minority personality-wise. You have a lot of SJs and SPs ( who are especially triggered by looks), and many studies have supported hypotheses that the majority do more favours for attractive women, interact more etc. I'm not without feeling, and I do want guys to talk to me and look me in the eye, especially since many seem to have a phobia about so much as talking to married women (but that's another thread, perhaps). I can't access most guys' brains until I access .... other parts first.

[Lucid]

I've thought about this, and I think it's because I know I'll be treated better in general (assuming that I've ended up looking nicer :-). It seems like a lot of men here like the natural look, but they're a minority personality-wise. You have a lot of SJs and SPs ( who are especially triggered by looks), and many studies have supported hypotheses that the majority do more favours for attractive women, interact more etc. I'm not without feeling, and I do want guys to talk to me and look me in the eye, especially since many seem to have a phobia about so much as talking to married women (but that's another thread, perhaps). I can't access most guys' brains until I access .... other parts first.

Yeah, I think most people want to be attractive. INTJ women may be different, but we're not robots. I always wear makeup if I'm going out dancing or something or on a date. I often wear make up to school just because, like others have mentioned, it makes you look kind of finished.

[tiffytwotons]

Oh. My sweats are my pride and joy. When i go out completely slobberific and all the other girls get ignored i feel like the king of the world.
I guess I'm just wondering why the direction of the thread went in the direction it did. Make up is something like sports for men, it just makes them feel more womanly. I for one am for it, since heels are out.

[banzai]

Sports are only a barbaric form of competition used in the absence of reasonable discussion.

Says the right defensemen... :p

[chocky]

Wow, this whole topic still has me bemused. But I don't like icing on cakes either...

To Jezebel's questions I would add: What does it mean to feel womanly? What does it mean to be 'finished'? What part of you is missing if the make-up isn't on?

None of it makes sense to me, and I'm wondering if I'm odd, but to me the contents are what matter - packaging is superfluous.

[Astra]

I've thought about this, and I think it's because I know I'll be treated better in general (assuming that I've ended up looking nicer :-). It seems like a lot of men here like the natural look, but they're a minority personality-wise. You have a lot of SJs and SPs ( who are especially triggered by looks), and many studies have supported hypotheses that the majority do more favours for attractive women, interact more etc. I'm not without feeling, and I do want guys to talk to me and look me in the eye, especially since many seem to have a phobia about so much as talking to married women (but that's another thread, perhaps). I can't access most guys' brains until I access .... other parts first.

ooooh yes. People really do treat me differently when I've got make-up on. When I haven't, they tend to say things like "oh you do look tired today". Which isn't really the response I'm after.

I spend about 5-10 mins putting it on in the morning and then that's it for the rest of the day. I would only go without if I felt ill or particularly knackered.

Lots of you are Yanks though aren't you? IM(albeit limited)E, a lot of American women (esp the middle-aged ones) wear A LOT of make-up, much more than the average British woman, so I wonder if some of the men's comments on this thread are referring to that level of slap rather than a "normal" amount iyswim.

[yondyr]

Amusing thread. I never wear makeup, sometimes necklaces, no other jewelry, and..ahem, no bra. But all the above are rational choices because I'm in the tropics where garments, accoutrements, can be very uncomfortable, not to mention have you running in sweat, or is that glowing? A lot depends upon the society you're in, whether a 'finished' look is expected, where makeup and power dressing reinforce one's confidence.

[Lucid]

Wow, this whole topic still has me bemused. But I don't like icing on cakes either...

To Jezebel's questions I would add: What does it mean to feel womanly? What does it mean to be 'finished'? What part of you is missing if the make-up isn't on?

None of it makes sense to me, and I'm wondering if I'm odd, but to me the contents are what matter - packaging is superfluous.

Of course it's the contents that matter. But do you go to work in an office wearing your pajamas? Probably not. When we say it makes us look "finished" it's kind of equivalent to men wearing ties. It's not a necessary part of the outfit, but it's something we do for social reasons to show that we put effort into our appearance.

What does it mean to feel womanly? I'm not sure if you're male or female, so I'm not quite sure what tack to take when answering this... but it's similar to whatever it is to feel manly I guess.

[rwyatt365]

Of course it's the contents that matter. But do you go to work in an office wearing your pajamas? Probably not. When we say it makes us look "finished" it's kind of equivalent to men wearing ties. It's not a necessary part of the outfit, but it's something we do for social reasons to show that we put effort into out appearance.

What does it mean to feel womanly? I'm not sure if you're male or female, so I'm not quite sure what tack to take when answering this... but it's similar to whatever it is to feel manly I guess.
From pajamas to ties is quite a leap, but I understand what you're saying. Being "finished" is like putting that coat of wax on a piece of furniture (don't overthink the analogy INTJs!), it provides that last little bit of "shine" that show an attention to detail.

BTW – there's a whole "womanly (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)" thread for those that want to discuss that aspect (all you womanly-women and manly-men)!

[danalaina]

I have the same opinion of cologne and perfume--who are you trying to impress anyways? Just seems like a lot of effort to impress people.

that's assuming it's for someone else.

i have one perfume i like - Sugar Lemon by Fresh. it's a very light, citrus scent that never fails to improve my mood. i suppose i could just spray it in the air around me in whichever room i happen to be in, but since i don't tend to stay in one room, that seems horribly inefficient/wasteful.

perhaps there are some folks out there who wear perfume/cologne for the benefit of others, but this just strikes me as silly.


and for the thread:

yes, i wear makeup when i feel like it - that's probably a couple of times a week. a little bit of a neutral shadow, a coat of mascara on the upper lashes and a little peachy lip gloss goes a long way.

being artsy-fartsy, though, i don't see this as being particularly unusual. it's just another form of drawing.

[Lucid]

yes, i wear makeup when i feel like it - that's probably a couple of times a week. a little bit of a neutral shadow, a coat of mascara on the upper lashes and a little peachy lip gloss goes a long way.

being artsy-fartsy, though, i don't see this as being particularly unusual. it's just another form of drawing.

You know, I was actually thinking about that when I was putting on my makeup today. I think the biggest reason I wear makeup, when I bother with it, is because it's fun to get to look different depending on what you're wearing or your mood or what you're doing that day. It's like dressing up when you're a little kid. :)

[WavesSootheMe]

What part of you is missing if the make-up isn't on?

Besides the make-up, which isn't even a part of you, nothing. Make-up can be used to accent and not cover up. It doesn't have to be a mask. Why do you assume one would feel less than themself without it? It doesn't change me, my values or the way I act. It changes how others act toward me. Yes it's the content that matters, but that's not the first bit of information that people perceive. My reasons have to do with impressions and how I'm generally treated in my environment at large. I don't put it on (nor take it off) to go to the gym, or run to the store, in those situations it's rather irrelevant for me. I do, however, put it on for work, especially if I have a meeting. Here, not wearing such things generalizes to not caring about the way you look, which in turn generalizes to not caring about the impression you make on others and therefore not caring about others. Since most women in my city do wear make-up, it can also convey a certian lack of confidence in your looks, as though you have just given up. Where you live plays a large part in what is expected of you and the assumptions people make. My friend, who moved down here to Southern California from an small ag city in Central California, never wore makeup except for a night out, but now I see her putting on lipgloss and looking into base, etc. If five minutes a day can translate into being treated better from the start (given that the substances don't bother you and you can apply it such that you can like the effect yourself), I ask why not?

[niffer]

For all you kids out there that are against makeup to the extreme, look at it this way:

It doesn't change the way you are, or your values*, if you wear your clothing backwards every day. Makeup is just another thing like this. Nobody's asking you to conform. It's just some people don't mind conforming.

*This is debatable, actually. >_> But, whatever. This wasn't really my main point..

[Bri]

I'll wear light makeup (some blush, and lip balm or gloss) if I'm going somewhere and have the time. But I usually don't wear anymore than that unless it is a very special occasion.

[Firelie]

You know, I was actually thinking about that when I was putting on my makeup today. I think the biggest reason I wear makeup, when I bother with it, is because it's fun to get to look different depending on what you're wearing or your mood or what you're doing that day. It's like dressing up when you're a little kid. :)

I think that's part of the reason why I don't ever want to put on makeup every day. It stops being fun if you do it too much, kind of like drinking.

[WavesSootheMe]

For all you kids out there that are against makeup to the extreme, look at it this way:

It doesn't change the way you are, or your values*, if you wear your clothing backwards every day. Makeup is just another thing like this. Nobody's asking you to conform. It's just some people don't mind conforming.

*This is debatable, actually. >_> But, whatever. This wasn't really my main point..

Perhaps it's debatable but a bit of lip gloss and/or blush etc. pales in comparison to tattooing on makeup, permanently dying your hair, botox, face lifts, boob jobs, liposuction, and the many other methods people use to change their looks. The debate on light makeup in certain situations seem rather petty.

[Question Everything]

I wear a little bit of makeup on most days. Enough to make me look more put-together, but not enough that anyone notices (they always seem surprised when i mention it).

I feel like wearing makeup makes it less obvious that my clothes don't fit the norm. And that I let my hair do whatever it feels like. Faces are just so expressive and communicate so much; I like how mine looks when I accentuate my eyes.

I hate perfume; it gives me a nasty headache. As for how men smell, I much prefer the clean, unmitigated scent of pheromone. (I know, pheromones aren't yet proven to have a smell. But they come in through the nose so I associate them with smell.)

Piercings, though. I love them. I have 9 myself, and I like to keep jewelry in them. No stretching, personally. And no tattoos. I don't mind them on someone else, but they're not for me.

[Tsuru]

I don't notice makeup (unless it's too much and weird looking, or if the woman in question is a clown or harlequin). I'd prefer women not wear it, for their own sake (needless time squandered on putting expensive colored dust on their faces) as well as me generally liking unmakeuped looks better.

I don't like perfume or cologne either. I've never gotten the point of people spraying stink-pretty on themselves unless the person in question is trying to mask some nasty scent, like if they smell like salty garbage or something.

[Nightelf]

Noooo make-up, just on special occasions, when it's 'required'. And only a little (eye)make-up.

[dbjs]

Make-up? NO! If people can't accept me as I am then they can just shove off.

No I don't mean it as hard as it sounds, but I would think that I would be fooling myself if I put on make-up. And I don't die my hair either, and don't wear perfume, just anti-deoderant that dosn't smell at all.

I like to be natural in that area, but maybe that just makes me stand more out. Here in Denmark "all" women wear make-up and it's a kind of "must".
But I hate the stuff. :)

[Gavisi]

I've worn stage makeup as a guy. Even a little bit feels unnatural, and dries my eyes out. I guess girls get used to it.

[INTJoe]

If a guy notices make-up, then you are probably wearing too much.

There are 3 things that you see girls go overboard with:

1) too much make-up
2) teeth whitening to the point where their teeth look fake
3) too tan (or orange in some instances)

In each case, they are taking a good thing, and making it a bad thing. The good thing has now become DISTRACTING.

A woman's make-up, teeth, or tan should never distract a guy.

The only things on women that are supposed to distract a guy are (and I'm being blunt here):

1) Eyes
2) Chest
3) Butt

If you can get a guy's attention with one of these three, and he isn't being distracted by your orange skin, pink face, or uber-white teeth, then you have already won the battle.

I consider myself lucky in that my girlfriend has a pretty natural face, and she almost never wears make-up. In fact, she told me one day "You realize I don't wear make-up, right? Does that bother you?" My response was "Oh, I didn't even notice..."

But I'm glad she relies on her natural beauty. And the thing is...I've seen her with a good make-up job, and her hair all done-up, and she blows 99% of women out of the water. But she's a secure ISTJ, so she isn't concerned about it. :)

[danalaina]

I think the biggest reason I wear makeup, when I bother with it, is because it's fun to get to look different depending on what you're wearing or your mood or what you're doing that day.

precisely.

it's not about what anyone else thinks. it's just me digging deeper in the toybox. =D

[WavesSootheMe]

I consider myself lucky in that my girlfriend has a pretty natural face, and she almost never wears make-up. In fact, she told me one day "You realize I don't wear make-up, right? Does that bother you?" My response was "Oh, I didn't even notice..."

But I'm glad she relies on her natural beauty. And the thing is...I've seen her with a good make-up job, and her hair all done-up, and she blows 99% of women out of the water. But she's a secure ISTJ, so she isn't concerned about it. :)

I would hope, and it has been my experience, that most boyfriends would say such things about their girlfriends. That's awesome that you feel that way about her and that she's doing what works for her in her context. However, I'm failing to see your general point. Naturally pretty, secure girls wear makeup too. It doesn't have to be about beauty, insecurity, or concern.

[INTJoe]

Oh, definitely.

I think me being glad she doesn't have to wear make-up is more along the lines of me wanting a low-maintenance girl. lol.

That is where I consider myself glad/lucky to have her, in the context of my previous post. I'm not saying I don't let her wear make-up, or that she doesn't look good with it on.

[happylily]

I rarely wear make up. Wearing make up does not seem logical, as one is covering their face up with chemicals. I have enjoyed wearing make up for shows when ice skating or dancing, however, the application of make up for these events was used to enhance a desired mood I wanted to set the stage with. When not performing or playing, I prefer to not use make up to create a mood, as I enjoy what life brings naturally.

[Dreamer]

If it gets under my radar(it usually does!) properly applied make-up will definetly make a girl look better.

[Allie]

No make up here. Just a little blush and tinted lip gloss (unless this is also considered make-up?). Although I do take extra care of my skin :-)

Even as a girl, I prefer less make up, if possible. If not, then make it natural looking.

My sister used to wear so much make up. I could easily see the powder on her face! Everything is just exactly on, from eyebrows to lips. However, she's so pretty that I didn't think she'd need all that make up. So, I asked if she has a problem with her skin that she needs to cover it up. There was no problem. Nice smooth skin. She just needed it to make her face look 'alive' instead of so 'sickly'

I recommended that she try a good skin care routine and forgo the powder to brighten her face. She did it! After a month, she doesn't even need blusher...just some eyeliner and lipstick. She now has a nice natural glowing face. Saves a lot of time getting ready too!

Her skin is even better than mine now :-) *sigh" I love her.

[WavesSootheMe]

My sister used to wear so much make up. I could easily see the powder on her face! Everything is just exactly on, from eyebrows to lips. However, she's so pretty that I didn't think she'd need all that make up. So, I asked if she has a problem with her skin that she needs to cover it up. There was no problem. Nice smooth skin. She just needed it to make her face look 'alive' instead of so 'sickly'

I recommended that she try a good skin care routine and forgo the powder to brighten her face. She did it! After a month, she doesn't even need blusher...just some eyeliner and lipstick. She now has a nice natural glowing face. Saves a lot of time getting ready too!

Her skin is even better than mine now :-) *sigh" I love her.

Older or younger? My little sister wears more makeup than I do too, but now that she's getting older she's toning it down. Also, she seems to enjoy playing with it much more than me. I think it's a reflection of the crowd she chose to be a part of in high school.

What is your "good skin care routine"?

[edalz]

I care about my appearance because I see it as a projection of myself. Even just going to class every day I wear nicer looking clothes than most of my professors, and nearly all of the students. I also attempt to maintain a confident posture, look people in the eye, not chew with my mouth hanging open, etc. Not wearing make-up, which I personally wear very little (mascara, tinted lip balm), would, I think, seem incongrous to people. The "complete package," and all. It's only one small thing out of the many things I do to accentuate, not cover up, how super awesome I naturally am.

oh, and I love ties. They're fun.

[tiffytwotons]

I care about my appearance because I see it as a projection of myself. Even just going to class every day I wear nicer looking clothes than most of my professors, and nearly all of the students. I also attempt to maintain a confident posture, look people in the eye, not chew with my mouth hanging open, etc. Not wearing make-up, which I personally wear very little (mascara, tinted lip balm), would, I think, seem incongrous to people. The "complete package," and all. It's only one small thing out of the many things I do to accentuate, not cover up, how super awesome I naturally am.

oh, and I love ties. They're fun.

Yeah.

[yam]

I don't wear it. I think it's such a waste of time. I prefer to be the simple one.

[terencec]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?

When I was in Dallas, TX, many girls wore makeup. Yes, I noticed it and they were beautiful as art! I think their faces were beautiful even though they did not wear makeup!

[Maitri1970]

I wear foundation with sunscreen because I'm white as a sheet. I wear blush for the same reason. I'm pretty light on the makeup other than that. I'm not someone who likes to primp but I like to feel pretty. I guess I wear earrings for the same reason. I don't think about it that much.

[Allie]

Older or younger? My little sister wears more makeup than I do too, but now that she's getting older she's toning it down. Also, she seems to enjoy playing with it much more than me. I think it's a reflection of the crowd she chose to be a part of in high school.

What is your "good skin care routine"?


I hear you! She's my younger sister, less than a year apart.

Our skin care routine starts with the basics, and then add in the skin care products. Enough sleep, drink water/green tea, no smoking (never did) or drinking (rarely). The skin care line we used is Sisley. It's quite expensive, but it's worth it. We figured that we'd rather do this than cosmetic surgeries :p

We have sensitive to oily skin, so here's what we're using:
Morning phyto blanc buff and wash
Night cleansing milk (white lily or sage). I use their soap
Hydra Global anti aging moisturizer
once or twice a week, exfoliate with their creme gommante gentle facial buffing cream.

We don't even moisturize at night. The supplies will last about a yr. If that doesn't work, then maybe Creme de la Mer may be a consideration. I heard a lot of good things from other folks who swear by it. Sheseido (Japan) is another good line. I used it in my younger years. BTW, we're both in our late 30's. Oh lordy, it's a new year and I am that close to turning 40 :cry:

Hope that's not too much information!!

[mitwess]

whores wear makeup
a lady wears a smile

i sometimes like the whore look though.

[Genuine]

Waste of time. Ugly people who are self-conscious would wear it. I have no problem seeing women with make-up, whatever floats their boat, anyway. Just don't get it on my face. Yuck!

[Frag]

I can't tell the difference, shows how much I notice eh?

Unless its overdone... that can be quite horrible and distracting.

[guardian789]

I wear it, but you'd never know that I'm wearing it. I prefer to look natural. If I guy isn't attracted to my natural beauty, I could really careless, and if they are again, who cares.
I do like to make my eye shadow match my clothes, it think it’s a part of my OCD though.

[azelismia]

I wear it, but you'd never know that I'm wearing it. I prefer to look natural. If I guy isn't attracted to my natural beauty, I could really careless, and if they are again, who cares.
I do like to make my eye shadow match my clothes, it think it’s a part of my OCD though.


I have many many allergies so I rarely wear make up. job interviews that sort of thing where you're expected to fit a mold.

[Aven]

No, what for?

[schwartzie]

So the goal in wearing makeup is to make yourself more attractive, right? I'm curious about this since it's not something I particularly care about, and if anything, it would conflict with my desire to be left alone by most people. insightful. For those of you that do care about being more attractive by wearing makeup, is it because you're looking for a mate, or are you concerned about how the general public rates your looks? Do you find there are other advantages to wearing it? The reason to wear makeup is the same reason you wear clean appropriate clothing, and have an appropriate haircut. Whatever "appropriate" is for you. If you're camping or in Shanghai, probably the makeup will include a base of bug goo and sunblock. If you're in a job or other situation where people who matter to you see you from a distance or through cameras, you need, at least, light stage makeup applied by, at least, a skilled layperson. And there are lots of situations in between these extremes .... People judge you and decide if they like you in about 2 seconds. If that matters to you, makeup is just part of the deal.

Contrary to your supposition, Jez, makeup does not necessarily attract. It can just make you look conventional--and be a form of camo. It is helpful to have the skill, even if you don't use it every day. And it is a skill, even a talent, like any other visual art. Good makeup artists can do extraordinary things, and earn every penny.

If it's for a lover, well...whatever. Get out the green high heels and hosiery with seams.

A college roomie and her bf once had a memorable afternoon's fun with mutual making up of one another. Usually, tho, in intimate settings, its just icky and tastes bad. If your beloved generally prefers you in makeup, that seems like something that needs watching.

[rwyatt365]

If it's for a lover, well...whatever. Get out the green high heels and hosiery with seams.
Actually, red high heels and a teddy.

I'm just sayin'!!

[Terian]

I notice makeup and it's a big turnoff. I could elaborate, but I'm not interested.

[Cuivienen]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?

I generally wear Mascara, I like to emphasise my eyes, in summer I also wear powder against the shine. That`s pretty much it

[eMachine]

I can probably count on 2 hands the number of times I've put on make-up in the last year. Generally if I want to take a good picture I will wear some make-up, no more than a light foundation and eye-liner, because a camera flash seems to bring out every possible skin imperfection. Other times I take pictures without make-up on and just put my camera on black-and-white or sepia mode.

In my perception, women tend to wear make-up for other women most of the time. To look better than other women, or to look like they take care of themselves, I've put on make-up for this reason before. Someone previously mentioned Texas, I lived there for 3 years and felt I had to wear make-up to go to the store, but me in modest make-up was nothing compared to the work of art that most of the other women made of themselves.

An acquaintance of mine in Texas who had a daughter the same age as mine used to paint her toddler's fingernails, pierced her ears, and curled her hair with rollers at night. I found this practice of hers ridiculous, but I suppose they start these rituals very young with their little girls.

[enfpchick]

i love makeup. I usually wear it everyday because i feel naked without it.

[Scantilyclad]

I wear makeup if i'm going out to eat or something,which is quite rare. I'm a stay at home mom, so i don't often require any makeup.

[Beery Swine]

I think makeup is largely superfluous. Ideally I'd prefer women to go without it, however, I don't live up to my ideals. Different colors on strategic parts of the face are a turn-on, I'm asshamed to admit. Guys are more visually oriented, kinda sucks, but there you are. I have seen alot of women who look really good without makeup, but they never really show that on TV or in movies, so its hard to relate a specific example for a common frame of reference. There's also makeup tattoos one can get, but I'm not sure if I'd be okay with that. Tattoos are okay, but on the face?

[Roy G Biv]

So the goal in wearing makeup is to make yourself more attractive, right? ... For those of you that do care about being more attractive by wearing makeup, is it because you're looking for a mate, or are you concerned about how the general public rates your looks? Do you find there are other advantages to wearing it?

I do it for me.

I use the tiniest amounts in natural (e.g., skin toned, not green) colors simply to enhance what I have.

If I go out for a rare evening (formal) event, I might do a wicked smoky eye with natural lips, or deep crimson lips with no eye makeup.

On a daily basis, however, a little cinnamon on my lips or taupe in the crease of my eye makes me look more awake.

My ears are pierced, and earrings are the only jewelry I wear.

My version of sweat pants (for the days I work at home) is black yoga pants and a white wife-beater tank, usually under a moth-eaten, ancient cashmere cardigan with major fuzz-pills in the armpits. I don't bother with underwear unless I have to actually leave the house. Boingy boingy boingy.

[Nameless]

I love makeup, and think everybody should wear it (yes, guys and girls). Going overboard is another thing though. Most good makeup techniques should be invisible.

[xtremegeek]

I wear very little make-up and I absolutely will not wear lipstick! One of my pet peeves is lipstick caked on a glass or mug. Yuck!

[Double Victory]

I usually wear mascara just to make my eyelashes black, because otherwise they're almost invisible.... It makes a huge difference, and if you've never seen me without it, then you can't even tell it's makeup. Other than that I have lip gloss that serves as my chapstick (because chapstick doesn't work for me). Unfortunately, I'm addicted to it. I have to re-apply it every hour or so. I like the look of my lips better without it, but if I don't use it they dry up really quickly, and then my lips look wrinkly and gross....

I have pierced ears. I love wearing earrings, but usually that's the only kind of accessory I'll wear. For special occasions I might wear a necklace or a bracelet, but I just don't like the feel of something "suffocating" my wrist or neck. Earrings, though, serve as something for me to play with (since I can't keep my hands still), and they help bring what I'm wearing together. Plus long, dangling gold earrings go really well with my hair and skin tone. If you have a really pretty face then you don't need them. I was cursed with genes that gave me huge pores and thin "granny" skin, so having earrings also helps take attention away from that.

[Scantilyclad]

I wear very little make-up and I absolutely will not wear lipstick! One of my pet peeves is lipstick caked on a glass or mug. Yuck!

yeah i hate wearing lipstick! i always wear chap stick or a light lip gloss

[PRBori]

Verily seldom I wear make up. Mainly for special occasions, an interview, a first day at work, or if I go out with my men or have a special show for him, other than that it's a waste of time.

However, for the new job I will need to wear it when I'm abroad on travel for clients... not really looking forward but I guess a little eyeliner and lipstick will do. Nevertheless, I avoid much lipstick.. After all they found out that it contains high amounts of lead and such causes cancer, so the less I use the better.

Other than the above I seriously hate it, make up is so expensive and a real waste of time... to get everything need it at a fair price is about $70 dollars and that's cheap compare to what others expend. I can't see myself wasting so much money on unuseful things or wasting so much time in the mornings. If someone wants to be with me they will need to accept me for who I am.

And yeah, I have the arabic mark, dark under my eyes, so if I'm tired people will be able to tell right away, so lately I'm trying to rest as much as possible.

[Nameless]

Verily seldom I wear make up. Mainly for special occasions, an interview, a first day at work, or if I go out with my men or have a special show for him, other than that it's a waste of time.

lol, glad you feel that way. Don't take the feeling for granted. I feel worthless without makeup.

However, for the new job I will need to wear it when I'm abroad on travel for clients... not really looking forward but I guess a little eyeliner and lipstick will do. Nevertheless, I avoid much lipstick.. After all they found out that it contains high amounts of lead and such causes cancer, so the less I use the better.

That's rediculous. That's like saying all cars are dangerous because one did poorly in a crash test. It depends on what ingredients are in the brand you use.

Other than the above I seriously hate it, make up is so expensive and a real waste of time... to get everything need it at a fair price is about $70 dollars and that's cheap compare to what others expend. I can't see myself wasting so much money on unuseful things or wasting so much time in the mornings.

You don't have to spend a lot on makeup. Just go to Makeupalley and look at reviews. Wouldn't that be a form of extroverted thinking anyways? Drugstore stuff can do the trick too. You just have to vigilant in checking ingredients and finding out what works for you. And even if you do buy high end stuff, it can last longer, since you can get away using less of it.

[Zerpantine]

I'm a girl and I wear it.
I have a certain image in my mind of how I want to look like and it takes make up to get me there.

I dont wear foundation and all that stuff, just eye make up.

[Lrigyttiw]

Guy response;
Typically I don’t notice makeup unless it's too much. If I notice it then BEWARE, you probably look like you came from an interview with Ringling Bros. :scared: Personally I don't particularly like makeup on women, but again, if I don't notice it then you fooled me. :thumbsup:

I prefer honesty to "beauty". I don't color my grey hair, comb-over my bald spot, or suck in my pot belly – if you don't care for that then why should I disguise that from you (you'll only find out later)? I only ask for the same thing from a woman. Sure, it would be nice to have physical perfection but if I approach you with holes in my jeans why should I expect you to be wearing <insert you favorite designer>? The same goes for my looks versus yours.

Let's be honest!


Can you send a "man-bulletin" out to all non-INTJ men stating this? If they inserted the honesty chip back into themselves, we'd all be the more happier. I don't require perfection. In fact, I think a little belly is sexy. I like stocky-ish men like Ricky Gervais, and Alex Lifeson.

I'm a natural girl, just lip gloss if running around. Eye shadow and lip gloss if needed for other events.

[notoppings]

Wear it if it makes you feel good but if you look like Mimi from the Drew Carey show you may want to rethink your application technique. I've seen those pictures that they post in the tabloids of actresses I thought were beautiful but without the makeup, wow I am amazed what can be done with pancake and concealer. Go light or honest I think there will be less to explain later.

[PRBori]

Just FYI

Here is the link to cosmetic news covering the issue with lipstick
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Again, this is a personal choice each individual takes. It personally does not affect me for I seldomly use lipstick anyway, so using it a few times does not matter. In addition, cheaper brand tends to have lower levels than the more expensive, so I guess I'm safe...hehehe... kidding

I'm just a skeptical gal, so nobody needs to follow what I say, but I like to say it anyway for awareness purposes...

[integratedvelocity]

I wear makeup maybe 3-4 times per week, often not for the whole day. It depends on what I'm doing. If I have a meeting, then I'll wear makeup, business casual clothing, etc. If I have language class at 9 in the morning, you're lucky if I exceed jeans and an boring shirt. Though most of you guys probably wouldn't care :) Also, I enjoy dressing up, giving myself a manicure, wearing stilettos, and using makeup occasionally just because. Maybe I'm narcissistic, but I like knowing that I look my best.

I actually spend quite a bit on good makeup. It lasts a long time and looks smoother, esp. eye makeup. I usually wear powder foundation, mascara, blended eye shadow (multiple colors for shading), a miniscule amount of blush, and lip color. Eye shadow and lip color are natural-colored unless I'm playing in a concert or something, in which case I might use brighter eye shadow and darker lipstick, a bit more red instead of nude or pink.

[Roy G Biv]

Here is the link to cosmetic news covering the issue with lipstick
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Again, this is a personal choice each individual takes. It personally does not affect me for I seldomly use lipstick anyway, so using it a few times does not matter. In addition, cheaper brand tends to have lower levels than the more expensive, so I guess I'm safe...hehehe... kidding

I'm just a skeptical gal, so nobody needs to follow what I say, but I like to say it anyway for awareness purposes...

I'm familiar with that web site. They had lots of articles about phthalates in perfumes about a year ago, too. Basically, buy your perfumes from Europe (where phthalates are outlawed) instead of in the US.

The EWG has a huge database (SkinDeep (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)) of cosmetics that they analyze, including many brands of lipsticks. I usually check my favorites against the database and purchase stuff with a rating of 2 and under.

[Alcuin]

For me, it's like: eyeshadow, eyeliner, mascara (I love my eyes and I've diffused arguments with a piercing look, so anything to accent them helps), and foundation. I work in Scottsdale, so I find a middle ground to cope with. :/ (Not a Scottsdale girl at all!!!!)

I buy it at Walmart, and it's not too bad if you're creative. :P Doesn't take very long, either! Just like.. 5-6 min in the morning. It's a good time to collect thoughts.

Perfume-wise, I fail and stick to Japanese Cherry Blossom from BB. I've gotten compliments on it ("you smell so clean/good!") so I guess it just works with my body. :O

[Erika Redmark]

My parents would never let me use makeup, so I never learned how (the last time I begged my mom to let me try it out was when I was a freshman in high school, after which I sort of forgot about the whole thing/stopped caring). So I wouldn't have a clue what to do if I started now. I wouldn't want to put anything on my lips anyway…woodwind instrument.

[Nameless]

My parents would never let me use makeup, so I never learned how (the last time I begged my mom to let me try it out was when I was a freshman in high school, after which I sort of forgot about the whole thing/stopped caring). So I wouldn't have a clue what to do if I started now. I wouldn't want to put anything on my lips anyway…woodwind instrument.

Go to a counter. They can help describe techniques and all should be willing to test products on you, but be careful since they'll all try to force you into buying something. It also helps to look at lookbooks, to see a variety of colors and ways a face can be represented. Youtube has a lot of tutorials as well. Personally, I think everyone should wear foundation (mmu like EM is pretty forgiving, cheap, pure), but only do what you think you need to fix first.

[jadefalcon]

Yeah, I notice it- but I don't notice makeup when ladies are not wearing it.

Too much makeup for me is a little too much. My roommate's girlfriend wore minimal makeup and he was happy with it (ENTJ) and I am pretty much the same way.

[melopoly]

re: makeup. I don't think men know they appreciate makeup.



I agree. Most men probably don't realize how much makeup can enhance a woman's look. When quality makeup is applied properly, it's not noticeable without a before and after comparison. I don't where it when I'm around the house or running errands, but I make an effort for most other occasions.

One day I was running late for school and didn't have time and was shocked that people noticed. One teacher asked me if I was sick! Covering up those dark circles makes a huge difference, and without a dash of eyeliner and mascara I look like a tweenager rather than a 21 yr old.

[ethsar46]

I dont mind if a woman really wears make up or not. My issue is with those few who feel the need to cover their whole face in it, Yuck. Its looks so fake and horrible. I dont want to look at someones face buried in a cm/inch of chemicals and powders.

[Uytuun]

My roommate's girlfriend wore minimal makeup and he was happy with it (ENTJ) and I am pretty much the same way.

What's this whole idea of a man being satisfied or unsatisfied with the amount of makeup his girlfriend wears? Is it some kind of femininity requirement? Something a man has the right to expect from his woman?

[Rhiannon]

I wear makeup not because I'm wanting to attract a man, and not because society expects me to, but because I damn well feel like it. And like every other area in my life, I've sought to optimize makeup application, as well as skip any unnecessary steps in my routine.

I'm a master at it, what can I say? But, I respect women who chose not to wear it as well. It's a personal choice, and if one does not derive pleasure out of it, why should they spend time and money on makeup?

I prefer mineral powder foundations, since those rarely have that whore-like "caked" look. It's really hard to screw those up, and the application is nice and fast.

Even as much as I enjoy makeup, I cannot fathom women who must run to the bathroom to "freshen up" multiple times a day. Time is money, time's a wastin'... etc. As such, all of my makeup is long lasting. Even my lips stay made-up until I take my makeup off at night.

When I wear makeup, the world treats me differently. Though not the reason for my wearing it, it's amusing nonetheless.

I think it all comes down to doing what is right for the individual woman. Few women can get away with a fire engine red lipstick. I can, but most look... well, silly. Yet, I look ridiculous in pink, which most would classify as a "demure" , universal shade. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

None of us fit in a box.

[zoophilia]

I don't particularly care about makeup that much. It's ok and can smooth over minor imperfections. I don't like women that adamantly refuse to wear makeup though because I think that they're usually too self-conscious about their appearance.

[Roy G Biv]

II don't like women that adamantly refuse to wear makeup though because I think that they're usually too self-conscious about their appearance.

That's possible. Or maybe they just like they way they look when they wear it, fresher, brighter, less tired.

Wearing makeup for me has nothing to do with self consciousness or a lack of confidence. I just know I look better with a minimum of slightly defined brows and a bit of color on my lips. My husband, who prefers no makeup/no fragrance, thinks I look great (with makeup), and people I pass on the street aren't looking at me and making, euwww gross, faces.

[azelismia]

Just FYI

Here is the link to cosmetic news covering the issue with lipstick
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Again, this is a personal choice each individual takes. It personally does not affect me for I seldomly use lipstick anyway, so using it a few times does not matter. In addition, cheaper brand tends to have lower levels than the more expensive, so I guess I'm safe...hehehe... kidding

I'm just a skeptical gal, so nobody needs to follow what I say, but I like to say it anyway for awareness purposes...


ingredients in make up and perfume aren't regulated. you could be putting who knows what on your skin. fragrances are often fairly toxic. Anything for a buck..

[PRBori]

ingredients in make up and perfume aren't regulated. you could be putting who knows what on your skin. fragrances are often fairly toxic. Anything for a buck..

I don't use them a lot either...only on special occasions and those are very rare for I don't go out at all. My life is sort of a routine for the past few years... Outside of work I hardly socialized with others... I tend to spend most of my time at home after work...

[SongofSeptember]

Makeup? Generally, no. In fact, the only times I have worn it was for the stage. It was required--otherwise, I wouldn't. To me, makeup is itchy, uncomfortable (foundation feels like plaster), and some of it just freaks me out. Like mascara or eyeliner. I cannot apply either without stabbing myself in the eye. Makeup isn't very practical--it smears all over the place. Wearing it makes me feel like a porcelain doll, because there's not much I can do without making it come off.

In terms of beauty, I look good with a little bit of lipstick/lip gloss on, but once you start getting into the eye stuff, it just looks ridiculous.

As for jewelry, I wear that now and then. Mostly necklaces or bracelets. My mom wants me to pierce my ears, but I'm not that keen on stabbing holes into myself.





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I never got my ears pierced. People have been trying to talk me into it all my life though. Seems a bit odd to me that I'm the strange one for not wanting to punch holes in my ears... I never notice earrings much anyway.

Hehe, I'm not the only one. :D

[dori]

I wear makeup occasionally, usually if Im going somewhere special. I dont like to wear it daily though because it makes my face feel grubby.
Perfume gets the odd squirt because I like that particular smell.
Hairdye gets used when my nana pulls me for having my grey hairs on show. I just dye out the grey then, no radical colour changes or anything.
I also have tattoo's and piercings. I like them.
Being a 30 something I think Iv tried most things and Im now just happy being me.

[Rhiannon]

(foundation feels like plaster) ... Makeup isn't very practical--it smears all over the place. Wearing it makes me feel like a porcelain doll, because there's not much I can do without making it come off.


If makeup made me feel like that then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole!

This is exactly why I switched to mineral foundation and lip stains. To be honest, when all I knew about were the greasy liquid foundations and the runny/smudgy lipsticks... I didn't wear makeup at all. I tried, but hell, my body exists for me to live in it. I like being able to touch my face, to itch... etc. And I like being able to eat, drink, kiss, and hug.

[Vertigo]

I don't think ladies need makeup and if I notice it it's usually because there is to much on. I have seen some pretty nice eye liner though that kind goes along the egyptian queen theme but beyond adding make up to the eyes I think make up takes away from the natural beauty of women.

[catd]

I almost always wear make up.

[changos]

male intj here... all the girls I like share the same lack of make up or little of it. I love to see the sking as it is.

[knitteratheart]

I almost never wear make up.

Really, I don't see a need. What's the point, afterall? If it's to attract a mate, do you really want one who choses you based on looks. If it's to make yourself feel better about yourself...that's a really superficial way to go about it and I don't think you belong in this forum. Let's see, other reasons...change of pace and look? Why bother? You are you no matter what you put on your face.

[searcher]

Heavy eyeliner and mascara.
And then, only heavy because I am carrying out a social experiment to compare how people treat goths to "normal people".

don't use concealer, foundation, lip stuff of any kind apart from de-cracking stuff.
don't have ears pierced, hate bracelets, don't own any rings, will wear necklaces though.

[Erika Redmark]

What's the point, afterall? If it's to attract a mate, do you really want one who choses you based on looks.

Everyone has that bias to some extent. I'd rather succumb just a little to the vagaries of society in this one area if it meant I would find someone otherwise compatible than be passed over by someone otherwise compatible because of something I could have fixed in the first place.

[replicant]

I don't really wear makeup. I have tried it out but I felt like I was wearing a false face and had a psychosomatic reaction of feeling claustrophobic. The most I do is put on lip gloss and I only do that occasionally.

[beverly penn]

I do, but the colours are often neutral (dark brown mascara, a small amount of brown eyeliner). I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

I hate lip gloss though.

[Scantilyclad]

I don't think ladies need makeup and if I notice it it's usually because there is to much on. I have seen some pretty nice eye liner though that kind goes along the egyptian queen theme but beyond adding make up to the eyes I think make up takes away from the natural beauty of women.

eeek some of us don't have "naturual" beauty. :undecided:

[Vertigo]

Well if there is no natural beauty then there is the inner beauty and once you get to know someone the inner beauty shines through and again you wouldn't need makeup. I guess that some people would want to wear make up to make a first impression, I wouldn't know about that though, I would think most of us here are not big of impressing people.

[replicant]

Just to clarify, I have no problem people wearing it. It's just not my cuppa tea.

[Mariko]

When I was a teenager I liked to put on more make up then I do now. It's not that I don't like it, I just have far less time to put it on. I like wearing makeup with my girlfriends, that is usually when I put it on, when we get together. I feel men, in all honesty could care less if we put it on unless we look like hell without it. It does boost confidence by making one feel like they have somehow "improved" their looks...

[overclockedgirl]

I used to think it was a total waste of time but liked to experiment with it so wore it occasionally. Now I put it on a lot more because it's useful for manipulating people. Playing poker a lot the past year has taught me more than anything about how to get what I want. I lost weight, and dress a lot better and do my makeup and I get service right away now. If I need to get something done or make any kind of deal with someone, I've found that for me looking decent is almost necessary to be efficient and/or get a good deal. I look fine without makeup it just intimidates people when you look good, and then they want to please you. And I want my prescription NOW damnit! lol. I told the ISTP guy I was dating a few weeks ago that the only reason I bothered to wear a shirt that fit me that day was to manipulate the many people I had to during the day to get things done and otherwise I didn't see the point...he looked horrified, but it's true!

[IFearAManOf1Book]

I hate the girls who cake on the make up. I want to say to them, "Ok, everyone knows you have a mask on. Why do you bother?" I've always believed that the purpose of make up is to accentuate natural features. I wear eyeliner and coverup (only on self-concious days though). I'm in high school, so it's ridiculous the girls you see all powdered and fake when all they're doing is going through another pointless day of classes. My favorite moment- a girl came into class one day, looked around, and asked "Where can I plug in my straightener?" This was first period! She couldn't have been in front of her mirror more than thirty minutes before!

[Max]

My favorite moment- a girl came into class one day, looked around, and asked "Where can I plug in my straightener?" This was first period! She couldn't have been in front of her mirror more than thirty minutes before!

One time during my Senior year of high school I walked into the bathroom and saw a bunch of Freshman in there....with a blow dryer! They had it plugged into an outlet between the sinks. I was like "......." and walked out. I would have been so embarrassed if I were them.

[Eric86]

Everyone has that bias to some extent. I'd rather succumb just a little to the vagaries of society in this one area if it meant I would find someone otherwise compatible than be passed over by someone otherwise compatible because of something I could have fixed in the first place.
I think that sounds pretty reasonable; although some makeup does definitely catch my eye (especially if it's well-done), I would never pass over someone due to a lack of it (I can't understand the mindset of anyone who would do that...). To me, it's just icing on the cake.;D

[Nexus]

My opinion about makeup is this: If I can tell you're wearing it, you're wearing too much. In my eyes, noticeable makeup defeats the purpose of wearing it. To be honest, I think it's very attractive when I find a woman who's comfortable enough with her appearance so that she doesn't feel the need to cover it up with powder and paint. However, I understand to a degree why many girls do it. I know that some do it just because they think it's fun or because they think it makes them more feminine, and some do it because they feel they have to in order to be pretty or attractive.

I can't say, though, that I've ever been attracted to a glossy sugar-coated shell of a person, and I find people who wear a lot of makeup to be superficial and insecure. They say not to judge a book by it's cover, but there are a lot of things you can be clued into about a person by the way they look. There are some exceptions, though. For instance when I know that the makeup being worn is meant to be part of the style (goth, rocker, etc) and not to cover up the "imperfections" of their face.

Anyways, that's my male opinion.

[f3nr1l]

I'm male. I love women in all varieties of makeup. In a mate, I tend to seek little and tasteful amounts of makeup. A girl doing that carries a sort of, I don't know, I just sense females who do that have some desirable traits. It's possibly linking unrelated things, but to some extent it ends up being true.

I also love many other amounts of makeup, in many different styles. Heavily applied Harley Quinn style, or impact makeup, or so many different styles. I love how it can make the face look. I find noticeable amounts very attractive and interesting; but I am not attracted or interested in the girls wearing it.

[comet]

I wear makeup on a "less is more" basis, I think the trick is to just keep it subtle.

More importantly than makeup is skin care, I drink at least 2.5 litres of water a day, and I limit the amount of tea, coffee and alcohol intake. I eat plenty of fresh fruit and vegies. Ever since I was in my early 20's I've maintained a skincare regime of using Vit E capsules taken both orally and pierced and used topically on my skin, I alternate that with Rosehip oil. I use a tinted sunblock on my face daily and wear a hat when outside. Given that I am hedging towards 60, with no wrinkles as yet, I think I'm doing pretty well.

[png1977]

I use it when the fancy tickles me - could be alone at home messing with the old, unused stuff in the bathroom drawer, bought on a whim / during a psychotic break at Walgreens.

Dressy cultural events, to include Halloween, Mardi Gras, weddings, concerts, etc.

Meetings with new clients (not established ones).

On (shudder) dates! Feeling obliged to do this makes dating even more unpleasant than it already is.

In all, I spend about one fifth of my days with makeup on my skin, and most of my time without it. I'm cute, my skin is smooth and healthy, and I don't want to encourage weird, superficial people to approach me.

[Havoc]

Makeup -- I like it. I wear very little day to day, but I do like to bust out the dramatic stuff for special occasions. Otherwise, I can't be bothered. I am more obsessed with putting on my daily sunscreen than foundation!

[dandylion]

Makeup has its purposes. I like it for the different "looks" it can achieve--it's like art for the face (I only like it when it's very well-done or creative). Even though I know so much about it I don't wear much other than some subtle dark brown eyeliner and a bit of powder foundation to even out my skin tone and stop it from looking shiny/oily (it's also good as a physical sunscreen in conjunction with my chemical sunscreen).

I prefer to use makeup as a way enhance what I already have and look more polished and put-together, not as a form of expression--I don't have a need to express myself in any way, actually. I live by my Desert Island Philosophy, which means I'll do some things to improve my physical appearance, but I won't ever change myself so drastically that if I ever got stuck on a desert island and didn't have access to my normal beauty products and such, I wouldn't look like an entirely different person.

And just because someone wears makeup it doesn't necessarily mean she is self-conscious or has low self-esteem, although I know there are many girls out there with issues who put it on more than they really need because they think, "OMG! I'm so ugly without it! Yaddayaddaya!" I'm hesitant to become friends with girls like that because they usually turn out to be high-maintenance and not much fun to be around (like they won't go swimming because it'd, OMG, totally ruin their hair and makeup!).

[Dominguez]

make up ftl...excessive lip gloss is also ftl. natural beauty ftw!

[Monte314]

Properly used, I think can really make a positive difference. With makeup, I generally think that "less is more"... if it's caked on, or gives an unnatural appearance, well, that's right out.

[Pirate1650]

Eye liner is cool, not too attracted to lip stick.

[phantasma]

I wear makeup, but just enough to hide my tiredness and look more polished. Any more than that, and I feel like a clown. However, I don't care if I don't have time to put on makeup in the morning, I'm fine.

[Snail]

I hate makeup. I haven't worn it since high school when it was required to avoid drawing attention and getting picked on, and even then it didn't work. I got picked on anyhow. I should have rebelled earlier.

Here are my reasons for rejecting makeup:

1) Makeup feels yucky and clogs my pores.

2) It validates superficiality in others. I don't see the point in purchasing and applying unnatural things to my skin in order to look like someone else when I want to be appreciated for who I actually am.

3) I am not so insecure about what I look like that I would resort to something so inauthentic. People make the excuse that it makes them feel more confident, but I have to question what kind of confidence such women seek if they feel that their value is determined by whether their lips are pink enough and their eyelashes look thick enough.

4) There are better ways to spend my time and money than in the pursuit of vanity.

5) Most makeup is tested on animals or made from them, and in the cases where such makeup is used, I find it appalling that some people care more about what they look like than about the fact that other living creatures are being made to suffer for their choices.

6) It's uncomfortable to kiss someone while wearing lipstick and it makes a mess.

[Peripeteia]

Makeup? I wear very little. If I wear even close to what most women wear today it's because I've got tickets to the symphony or a job interview. Besides, I'm pretty enough without it (in my humble opinion).

[Smoke n Mirrors]

I don't wear a lot of makeup, because it's not very important to me to do so. When I do, it'll just be eyeshadow, sometimes with a little liner and/or mascara, and it's usually more for the sake of looking coordinated (Usually it's the same colour as my shirt...) and on top of things or to create an effect than to actually improve my looks. (Why bother?) And I do feel a bit more put-together, which I admit also makes me feel a little more confident. I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of if it makes me feel prettier, either; after all, anything's prettier when it's painted bright green, and so what if other people think it's strange? ;)

Please note that the effect is in reality more subtle than implied in the previous sentence and that I have glasses, which also makes brightly-coloured eye makeup somewhat less obvious. Also that the mascara is always black, not some strange colour, and that the whole way I dress is a little more brightly-coloured than I'm told is usual for an INTJ. A friend of mine has a theory that because I'm so "shy", I have to express my personality visually through my clothes and jewellery, or something to that effect. I have a theory that I just like bright colours.





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Plus also, I don't wear mascara that much anymore because it irritates my eyes, besides which, all mine is old and clumpy, and finding and buying a new one would be too much work and a waste of money.

<leaves thread before she can come up with any more unnecessary clarifications>

[Seppuku Savant]

Wearing chemical spackle on your face everyday will age the delicate skin prematurely. It's a waste of time to put on and an unnecessary expense.

[CarolinetheENFP]

i love makeup!
its just another form of expression..
and you dont have to cake it on to get the cool creative affects..
but some girls really do need an extra boost.. lol
as far as cologne i love it as long as its not too much!
its what i remember about a guy the most actually
and earrings can be classic! i always wear just simple studs like pearls or diamonds but i love the way they look. would a guy really not like you for that? wth?

[aok]

I notice it. I usually like it.

[energy]

I have oily skin and prefer to tone it down a bit with Bare Minerals. I also curl my eyelashes because it makes me look more awake. Then I moisturize my cuticles and use hemp oil lip balm. My (male) roommate thought I didn't wear any makeup until he saw me putting it on one morning . . .

[lancelot]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?

I think ladies,women, girls look better without it.

[Nanashi]

I wear what I would consider to be a lot of makeup, but it's applied in a way that makes me look more refined (unless I'm going electro-punkish during a blue moon), and it's not that noticeable. I think I mostly wear makeup b/c I have very light eyelashes and eyebrows and my skin is light. It makes me look more assertive and put together, imo.

[enWTFp]

Makeup is a farce, a shallow lie for everyone to see, that makes you feel awkward. The kind of lie, we learn to pretend to accept, to the point when enough people actually think it's the truth.

I value beauty very very much and I don't want it skewed by some non-natural means. Means, that with time become the new standards, instead of being just means to reach these standards. Most of the "beauty" industry is some awful attempt to "manage" something that is better off left to itself.

Why am I so pissed off?

Because this whole thing disturbs our natural sense for beauty. The real pretty face doesn't need all this, and the other type of face I would approve more if it doesn't try (clumsily) to deceive me, thank you. I mean, am I a moron or something? Why would anybody think that it is not clear how they really look just because they try to hide it? It is such a waste of time. I just wish people would like themselves more as they are, because 99% of them are much more beautiful then they think they are.

It's all in our heads.

(okay, that rant put aside, those who are able to use makeup in a discreet unnoticeable way, are still fine)

[hidden]

I don't wear it (nor own any) because I don't like it. It's a waste of my time and I like my face just the way it is. I don't have a 'need' to impress anyone.

I also don't wear jewelry (except for my body piercings). I used to wear earrings when I was younger but I don't anymore. It just makes me feel like the jewelry is either in my way or just weighing me down.

[Functianalyst]

I truly like women who wear little or no make-up.

[punkyplatypus]

From a guy's point of view, I don't really notice it. I see beautiful, average, or ugly ladies. Makeup may have or may have not been a factor in categorizing, but I don't think it's as strong factor as natural beauty. Some girls look better without makeup, some girls look good with and with out makeup, some look better with makeup, and others better have a good personality because makeup isn't going to help but it'll definitely make it worse.
I prefer minimum makeup. Too much makeup (although it can sometimes be pulled off) normally looks bad. I see this when stuck watching mtv; girls will have shiny faces, an almost raccoon look with the eye makeup, glitter, shiny lips, etc...it just looks fake. If I wanted a fake, pretty girl I'd get a blow up doll.
Another thing I like to see are the unique colors and techniques. I see a girl during St Patrick's day with green lipstick and she looks hot & it's different from what I'm used to. I have to wait a whole year before I can see that again. Kudos to the gals who mix it up even though it's not expected.

[SevenOfSpades]

Mainly to hide dark circles under my eyes which I have naturally (meaning not due to any form of tiredness), with concealer, or using mascara and eyeliner to add contrast and draw the eye away from the light purple when having to attend important social gatherings.

Throughout high school... only for photo day of my last year. Same for university. My male best friend would tell me off (and still does) whenever I put make-up on. Reasonable, anyway, because after a while, what is on the top eyelid transfers to the bottom one after a while, and one looks like a joke.

Lipstick/gloss is a definite 'no' because the stuff gets in my hair (it's long and the wind is already my enemy), then sticks to everything, and causes the skin on my lips to flake off in tiny lipstick-laden bits, making me look ridiculous. The only circumstance I'll ever wear it in is if I'm out and need to send a "don't you fucking dare try to kiss me, because I didn't bring replacement, everyone will tell, and you'll look like a messy dolt with all this coloured fat smeared on your face" message.

[AliTree]

yes i wear it.
i wear foundation because i am paranoid of my un-even skin tones.
i wear eye makeup because i like putting it on and making my eyes the first thing you notice about my face (because they're naturally blue & i have naturally brown hair. i like the combo).

i used to cake it on because i had extremely low self esteem. but i feel alright about my looks, now.

[enfpchick]

I looove makeup. It offers me the opportunity to constantly change my looks.
Recently I'e been using red lipstick and can't seem to put it down. I'm on
youtube now learning how to apply that 40s look.

[Josh]

My personal preference is no/just a little makeup. I'm also for jeans and a t shirt or sweater, i don't like my girls flashy. I guess i like someone who's herself and doesn't try to impress people.

Not to be mean but there are of course girls who need it....nothin wrong with that.

[CarolinetheENFP]

ahaha
ENFPchick
youre scaring meee
brain twin. gosh. i do the SAME thing with the scarlet lip. especially in winter
and i <3 forties. faveorite decade.
but josh-
what if a girl is naturally flashy? like what if "being herself" isnt jeans and a tshirt? like i think ENFPchick and I can both attest to the fact that being dramatic and dynamic and gorgeous (!) lol with our look doesnt stem from trying to like impress anyone but that really is when we feel most ourselves.
jeans and a tshirt are cool dont get me wrong, but thats not me.
i wear outfits that are modern high fashion versions of things that inspire me
IE milan, guinevere, forties, audrey hepburn etc
and tshirts dont always fit in
but thats just me being me :)

[enfpchick]

ahaha
ENFPchick
youre scaring meee
brain twin. gosh. i do the SAME thing with the scarlet lip. especially in winter
and i <3 forties. faveorite decade.
but josh-
what if a girl is naturally flashy? like what if "being herself" isnt jeans and a tshirt? like i think ENFPchick and I can both attest to the fact that being dramatic and dynamic and gorgeous (!) lol with our look doesnt stem from trying to like impress anyone but that really is when we feel most ourselves.
jeans and a tshirt are cool dont get me wrong, but thats not me.
i wear outfits that are modern high fashion versions of things that inspire me
IE milan, guinevere, forties, audrey hepburn etc
and tshirts dont always fit in
but thats just me being me :)

OMG you are my brain twin.
I'm ok with t-shirt and jeans but much prefer to have the whole dynamic and dramatic look going. I don't do it for others. Who cares about them. Rather I do it for myself because it makes me feel and look good
I finally perfected my 40s makeup look and am moving to the 60s.
Heavy eyeliner here I come!

[Josh]

ahaha
ENFPchick
youre scaring meee
brain twin. gosh. i do the SAME thing with the scarlet lip. especially in winter
and i <3 forties. faveorite decade.
but josh-
what if a girl is naturally flashy? like what if "being herself" isnt jeans and a tshirt? like i think ENFPchick and I can both attest to the fact that being dramatic and dynamic and gorgeous (!) lol with our look doesnt stem from trying to like impress anyone but that really is when we feel most ourselves.
jeans and a tshirt are cool dont get me wrong, but thats not me.
i wear outfits that are modern high fashion versions of things that inspire me
IE milan, guinevere, forties, audrey hepburn etc
and tshirts dont always fit in
but thats just me being me :)

Hey if it's hot and suits you it's all good w/ me :)
Just can't stand those girls who refuse to leave the house for instance without getting made up or are constantly going on about how they're not pretty enough. It makes me sad :(

[Snail]

Not to be mean but there are of course girls who need it....nothin wrong with that.

No girl needs it. You may want certain girls to wear it, but there is a difference. You make it seem like there is something wrong with not having a "pretty" or even "average" face, both of which are subjective judgments. In truth, a girl can survive without doing anything inauthentic for the sake of conforming to the aesthetic standards of others, and can even be content under the proper circumstances, especially in non-superficial environments. If you choose to place value on appearances, that is your flaw, not ours.

If a girl wants to wear makeup because it's fun, artistic, or exciting to her, she is entitled to do so, but no woman should feel like she has to wear makeup because of societal pressures to look (or avoid looking) a certain way, no matter what she looks like.

[hphan]

This is the last thing you want to ask a TJ. What we think we like is not what we (and normal men) really like. But I know how physical attraction works.

Makeup, when applied properly and moderately, enhances attraction and sex appeal. In my opinion, a slight shade of pink on the cheeks or a pair of lightly colored lips are subtly seductive; unnoticeable but subconsciously powerful. Only very pretty chicks can afford to wear heavy makeup; but then they would fall into a certain stereotype. In other words, don't wear a lot of makeup.

[Airius]

I don't normally wear makeup unless it's a special occasion.
It's just a lot of work and I worry enough about how I look before stepping out the door.

[Skatt]

I actually feel more myself when I'm flashy too. It draws attention that I don't really want, but I like wearing bright colors and having my mohawk up.

[invicta]

i like clothes and makeup, they are both wearable art, and i appreciate when people have a good look that suits them. it's a way to let your individuality show without having to speak.

it sometimes takes a decade or so before a person settles in to a good look for them, and what i mean by a look has nothing to do with fashion trends, but with letting some of the inner self out.

[jikin]

I put on enough to polish off my look. My skin is very pale and I need add a bit of color so I don't look ghostly. It's the bare minimum and hardly noticeable.

[Eric86]

ahaha
ENFPchick
youre scaring meee
brain twin. gosh. i do the SAME thing with the scarlet lip. especially in winter
and i <3 forties. faveorite decade.
but josh-
what if a girl is naturally flashy? like what if "being herself" isnt jeans and a tshirt? like i think ENFPchick and I can both attest to the fact that being dramatic and dynamic and gorgeous (!) lol with our look doesnt stem from trying to like impress anyone but that really is when we feel most ourselves.
jeans and a tshirt are cool dont get me wrong, but thats not me.
i wear outfits that are modern high fashion versions of things that inspire me
IE milan, guinevere, forties, audrey hepburn etc
and tshirts dont always fit in
but thats just me being me :)
I think that's pretty cool, actually.:) I definitely find stuff like that attractive. And I certainly am grateful that I don't think girls who do that are shallow or even slutty or whatever other dumb stereotypes there are. I think that being like how I am when it comes to this stuff helps girls who do that to be more relaxed, comfortable, and more able to be themselves around me because that's one less [sometimes big] thing for them to worry about.

[zibber]

Blatantly bypassing anything beyond the OP,

I hate it. It can look good, sure, but I prefer the "natural look" (think about how dumb that phrase is) by default. I see make-up as just another one of those conventions women are more or less pressured to adhere to from a young age, like leg/pit shaving and a certain dress code that seems stricter than the guy one (see a lot of girls with just jeans and a t-shirt?). Thinking about stuff like that makes me more and more feminist by the day. (Especially exclamations like "some girls need it, though"; please go away.) It's so freaking Victorian. I can't even imagine not being able to put my hand on my forehead and rub my face every now and then, or scratch my chin when I have an itch, without "messing up my foundation" or something absurd like that. What are you, an actor? You can't go outside looking the way you do at home, at ease? What is wrong with your own face? If you feel that you have to transform yourself before appearing in public, something is direly, direly wrong with your MO.

(Anything along the lines of "but it's art for your face" or "it accentuates my cheekbones" sounds like postrationalisation to me, by the way. It's great if people are actually far enough above conventions to truly choose to wear make-up, but I strongly doubt that the average person is. (This is even more valid for the odd pseudological maneuevers people execute to justify leg shaving.))

[invicta]

Blatantly bypassing anything beyond the OP,

I hate it. It can look good, sure, but I prefer the "natural look" (think about how dumb that phrase is) by default. I see make-up as just another one of those conventions women are more or less pressured to adhere to from a young age, like leg/pit shaving and a certain dress code that seems stricter than the guy one (see a lot of girls with just jeans and a t-shirt?). Thinking about stuff like that makes me more and more feminist by the day. (Especially exclamations like "some girls need it, though"; please go away.) It's so freaking Victorian. I can't even imagine not being able to put my hand on my forehead and rub my face every now and then, or scratch my chin when I have an itch, without "messing up my foundation" or something absurd like that. What are you, an actor? You can't go outside looking the way you do at home, at ease? What is wrong with your own face? If you feel that you have to transform yourself before appearing in public, something is direly, direly wrong with your MO.

(Anything along the lines of "but it's art for your face" or "it accentuates my cheekbones" sounds like postrationalisation to me, by the way. It's great if people are actually far enough above conventions to truly choose to wear make-up, but I strongly doubt that the average person is. (This is even more valid for the odd pseudological maneuevers people execute to justify leg shaving.))

That is a lot of sentiment, your feelings on this are strong.

Is makeup merely a pathology for the ubiquitous average person, and a form of higher expression for the lofty and rare above-average person?

[CaptainA]

Another Guy observation.

My girlfriend wears Makeup for work and dressing up. she has lots of the stuff and mysteriously seems to apply it well enough that it is often unnoticeable when finished. So I asked her why and her answer is protection from environment, esp sun. I sometimes remember to use sunscreen. So in any case whilst I don't actually like girls with makeup I have become accepting of it.

As for piercings.. well I am a sailor and have one ear pierced. I probably would not have done it as an adult but I have it. I haven't worn a ring or stud for years, but it has not closed up, although it is invisible to others.

Actually just remembered I wore makeup and an earing in movies, but that was to make me look worse!





CaptainA added to this post, 4 minutes and 37 seconds later...

I just had a random thought about plastic surgery ads where the before picture always has no makeup and the after always has lots of makeup.

[zibber]

That is a lot of sentiment, your feelings on this are strong.

Is makeup merely a pathology for the ubiquitous average person, and a form of higher expression for the lofty and rare above-average person?

Well, it's not exactly a sentimental issue for me. Philosophical in principle, but my moral outrage plays up when I see reasonable people take certain gender-affirming conventions for granted.

Pathology? Higher expression?

[PortInStorm]

Here's the thing: the same argument that is used to support the 'au natural' look ie why are you catering to someone else's opinion of you, is the same argument I use to dismiss the very people who use it.

I wear makeup, I like the look of it, and I won't cater to others' opinions that they think I look better without it (implying I shouldn't wear it or am wrong to wear it).

[invicta]

Well, it's not exactly a sentimental issue for me. Philosophical in principle, but my moral outrage plays up when I see reasonable people take certain gender-affirming conventions for granted.

Pathology? Higher expression?

Pathology in the sense that perhaps some women use makeup in order to try to fit the common idea of a beauty ideal, rather than as a form of personal expression. The beauty ideal in Western culture often leads to any number of pathological behaviors such as anorexia, etc. I think that a need to conform to the beauty ideal is perhaps not clinically, but existentially pathological.

Higher expression in the sense that art is a higher form of expression than utility. A developed sense for and familiarity with aesthetics need not be confined to objects outside the self, the self can be included in this form of expression.

To assume that the majority of people who are mindful of their appearance are doing it for reasons of conformity is a commonly held belief, but I picked up on your post as maybe having more to it than that. I'd like to hear more.

[Tulula]

I wear makeup most days, but only to enhance my natural beauty (LOL!), however, I don't have an issue going out somewhere without it.

I also wear perfume, unless I'm low and don't have any money to replace it -- then I use it very sparingly, but I only use a little whenever I do wear it because I don't like anything to be overwhelming, but I truly do like to smell good perfume -- just as I love to walk into the kitchen and smell cookies baking, or coffee brewing -- or being at the beach and smelling the ocean breeze, or walking outside after a storm and smelling the strong smell of the earth mixed with the light and airy electrical smell of the air -- or that baby powder/lotion smell on babies (I don't like to smell the naturual spit up smell at all - or the dirty diaper smell -- and I don't like to smell sweat or the nasty armpit smell on adults -- or the I didn't wash my clothes or hair or brush my teeth smells, etc).

I never wear jewelry, even a watch because it makes me feel like I am wearing a noose.

My ears are pierced because my aunt pierced them with a hat pin when I was about 5 or 6 -- I don't wear earrings very often because I seem to have some kind of allergic reaction to them -- my earlobe swells up and gets infected -- perhaps it's psychological, I don't know.

On the other hand, I love beautiful and well-fitting clothes, nice shoes, nice purses and getting my hair cut and colored in a stylish way -- however, I am just as comfortable in sweat pants, a overlarge t-shirt and tennis shoes with my hair in a ponytail.

I love to go barefoot (when I'm home I'm usually barefoot) and many times, I don't put on a lick of makeup the entire week-end and I don't really think about it one way or the other.

I love getting all dolled up and going to extravagent gala's, but I also LOVE TO get all dolled down and go camping and fishing (particularly when it is raining) -- I even put my own worm on the hook and remove my own fish!

I guess I thought stuff like that had nothing to do with being an INTJ -- but rather just stuff you do that makes your own personal self feel good.

Am I wrong here?

[Chilibean13]

I don't wear make up very often. I did in high school when appearance was extremely important. Usually in the morning I'm out the door as soon as I'm out of the shower. I will wear make up for important events or when I have to dress up. Occasionally, I will put it on to make my husband feel special. He likes it when I wear make up.

At the beginning of summer I always go through this "girly" phase. I paint my fingers and toenails every couple of days. By the end of summer, it's so uncomfortably hot that I don't even bother.

I don't even really do anything fancy with my hair. I've had the same haircut since 8th grade--long and parted in the middle. Occasionally I will cut it short, only to regret it and pray for it to grow out again.

As far as jewelry goes, I keep it simple, although I've started a new obsession with chunky necklaces. Usually I wear a watch, my wedding ring, and a necklace (as long as it matches my outift)

[Lainy]

Sometimes I wear eyeshadow, just because I like the colors. I used to be a lipstick lover but I don't think it's very practical so I leave it for special ocasions.

Men around here notice these things and some have given me advice, that I should wear makeup more often but I just wear it if I feel like it which is a bit rare.

[Hatsumomo1]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?

Not usually. I do have a little bit of redness and acne, so I'll wear a light powder to make it less noticeable. Usually it just takes 10 seconds to put it on, so it's no trouble. Besides that I really don't wear any, because I don't feel the need to impress guys by my fake thick eyelashes or shiny lips. However, if it's a very formal occasion, I'll usually put on a little mascara and lipgloss or something.

[Nikita]

I sometimes wear it at work or when I go out. I mostly just do smoky eyes and natural lips, no blush. I use bare minerals so I can sleep in it b/c I hate having to worry about taking it off. Typically, I don't like to take the time to put it on, I tend to forget I have it on which means I do something to mess it up and I never have makeup with me to fix it. If it doesn't fit in my pockets it doesn't come with me.

[zibber]

(Warning: the following was jotted down by a fundamental zen buddhist ;))

It just dawned on me how much overlap there is between Rorshach from Watchmen and people who've been habitually wearing make-up for a while. They identify with the masked person rather than that which is always underneath, so to say.

This thought was sparked by a colleague confessing that he hasn't seen his sister without make-up for years. There comes into existence this daily ritual of transforming ("correcting"!) the face in the mirror (the materialized image of the (mental) "self" one literally cannot see without focusing on a reflective surface) before showing oneself to anyone else. One doesn't feel complete without this extra layer (mascara literally means mask, by the way); the layer becomes a part of one's identity. Sitting on the train to work a few days a week, I am surrounded by people who always carry portable make-up sets with little mirrors, regularly checking whether their "face" is in order.

It is very much different than people who literally wear masks or disguises (for instance actors, (some) luchadors and drag kings/queens); this is important to state. That kind of thing creates a different identity, separate from the day-to-day identity of which ("casual") make-up is a part.

(Recalling the notion of the mirror image being "corrected" before starting the day, it becomes clear that daily/regular facial shave the majority of males engage in is almost exactly the same thing as applying make-up, by the way. (Same thing goes for any kind of physical aspect of one's identity, really, hair styling being an easy example.)

Pathology in the sense that perhaps some women use makeup in order to try to fit the common idea of a beauty ideal, rather than as a form of personal expression. The beauty ideal in Western culture often leads to any number of pathological behaviors such as anorexia, etc. I think that a need to conform to the beauty ideal is perhaps not clinically, but existentially pathological.

Oh, same here :)

I think it is far more (direly) deep-rooted than simple (conscious) conformity.

Higher expression in the sense that art is a higher form of expression than utility. A developed sense for and familiarity with aesthetics need not be confined to objects outside the self, the self can be included in this form of expression.

I'm not sure. I think there is a difference between truly habitual make-up that becomes a part of one's identity and the kind of theatrical self-embellishment people engage in to get a change from their daily self. In that case, the made-up persona (an expression that is meaningful in more ways than one!) is more or less separate from the "true self" (that is, the base identity people construct for themselves), an occasional variation or embellishment meant to remain reserved for special occasions. Well, whichever way you formulate it, this is distinctly different from "regular" make-up in the minds of habitual make-up wearers. It shouldn't be, is what I'm trying to say.

To assume that the majority of people who are mindful of their appearance are doing it for reasons of conformity is a commonly held belief, but I picked up on your post as maybe having more to it than that. I'd like to hear more.

Scroll in an upwards direction ;)

[baixue]

I never leave the house without foundation/powder due to the fact that I had deep cystic acne as a teen and am now left with scars. I also have very oily skin, so I used oil-control lotion. If I didn't, my face would blind unsuspecting strangers. ;)
I have very little time for make up since I have 3 little kids, but when I have a few more minutes, I do "make myself up" because I like to look nice for my spouse.

I think heavy make up is tacky, and the only time I've worn tons is when on stage or tv. -Day to day make up should be unnoticeable.

[kira]

I used to wear makeup everyday. However, I stopped cold turkey when a tragic event changed my mental state leading me to shed a number of things that didn't serve an important purpose in my day-to-day life. I completely stopped caring what others thought of me, and makeup (which before fulfilled my need for fun and artistic expression) seemed frivolous. One unexpected benefit of not using any products on my skin is that I never break out anymore. My skin is actually in the best condition now. That said, I still totally understand the enjoyment other women derive from makeup.

[Algol]

I notice it and think that when masterfully done it can amplify beauty very nicely, but I like a girl who feels comfortable and looks good without it.

[intellael]

Just color on the lips... I have sensitive skin that is finally healthy. I dare not agitate it. Besides, I prefer a more natural look, low maintenance.

[Vagrant]

Ironically, I notice it if it's very subtly done. Subtle makeup is the best use of makeup. It should be to enhance natural looks, not cover or alter them.

If it's caked on there, it's disgusting.

[HostileSheep]

I clearly prefer natural. No doubts about it. I think that make-up can look good, but must admit I am extra cold/keptic towards girls with make-up.

Things that does not look good though is jewelry, the more shiney, the uglier it gets :P

[Vagrant]

I clearly prefer natural. No doubts about it. I think that make-up can look good, but must admit I am extra cold/keptic towards girls with make-up.

Things that does not look good though is jewelry, the more shiney, the uglier it gets :P

I think jade or amber (rare stones) are cooler than metals.

[Nikita]

I think jade or amber (rare stones) are cooler than metals.

I'm with you there, I prefer stones on suede or leather strings, I don't like metal chains.

[CarolinetheENFP]

I don't wear make up very often. I did in high school when appearance was extremely important. Usually in the morning I'm out the door as soon as I'm out of the shower. I will wear make up for important events or when I have to dress up. Occasionally, I will put it on to make my husband feel special. He likes it when I wear make up.

At the beginning of summer I always go through this "girly" phase. I paint my fingers and toenails every couple of days. By the end of summer, it's so uncomfortably hot that I don't even bother.

I don't even really do anything fancy with my hair. I've had the same haircut since 8th grade--long and parted in the middle. Occasionally I will cut it short, only to regret it and pray for it to grow out again.

As far as jewelry goes, I keep it simple, although I've started a new obsession with chunky necklaces. Usually I wear a watch, my wedding ring, and a necklace (as long as it matches my outift)

oh chillibean *hyperventilating*
middle parts do no one justice! they are so unflattering!
please try a side part and see if you like it before continuing!

[Golbez]

Makeup on girls looks good, but too much... not.
Also, those really old women (like 90 years old) who wear lots of makeup sickens me.

[lancelot]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?

I perfer girls, ladies, women not to wear make up, the reason is I think they look better without it!

[Nikita]

I perfer girls, ladies, women not to wear make up, the reason is I think they look better without it!

That does seem to be a trend amongst guys...with the exception of the superficial ones who brag about their luxury cars and get their nails manicured.

[Motor Jax]

1st ex wore littel to no makeup, and she looks good...

2nd ex wore makeup... ummm, not too appeasing to me, to say the least...

and g/f now almost never wears makeup, and she looks wonderful...


do i notice? yes... but my g/f is still more of a tomboy and doesn't put any on, so i'm good there...


... i've seen quite a few chicks that just looks like it is pasted on... not my type...

[dragonsscout]

I prefer ladies without makeup. Like lancelot said, they normally look better without it. A little bit is okay and can be good, but often times it's way too much. After a bit of makeup, one can start to look like they're made out of a few plastic substances, which is a total turn-off for me.

I extend this to long nails and often to high heels as well. I don't know if most guys are like me though. I've halfway convinced myself that women put makeup on either for themselves of for other women, as most guys that I've asked dislike makeup.

[Gabrielle]

I wear make-up, but not a lot. I think it depends on the technique - my ex's always told me that while I look good in make-up, they like it when I'm without them too, so it was just my hobby to put them on.

Make-up that is light is usually good, but when the eyeshadow's up to the forehead and the mouth looks like she just had a huge steak, then we begin to see a problem.

[graciela224]

I've halfway convinced myself that women put makeup on either for themselves of for other women, as most guys that I've asked dislike makeup.

Yes; most guys will say "I don't like makeup" but cannot tell the difference between light makeup and no make-up at all. However, a woman without a little makeup to enhance her seems to be lacking to another woman. I definitely think women wear makeup to be perceived as attractive by other women, not just men.

[Moondyn]

I don't wear makeup at all and don't need to, but when I was a tween I used to be obsessed with makeup and wore it beyond the amount necessary.


I was more decorated than the joker off of batman.

One day I realized that I was far more attractive without it and stopped wearing it unless necessary.

[rahdam]

I don't like kissing a face with makeup on it.
The texture is unappealing to say the least.

[Colette]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?

I used to wear a lot when I was in my teens and early 20s, because that was an insecure/underconfident phase of my life, and I was also quite overweight, so I used make-up to try and enhance my sense of attractiveness to others.

From my mid 20s onwards (which was when I lost all the surplus weight and regained a normal figure), I stopped using it so heavily.

I am fortunate to have a good skin type, which doesn't have acne/pimples, excess oiliness, or blemishes, so I often don't need to wear a foundation or concealer. I have a rigorous skincare regime though to stop my skin from wrinkling and ageing prematurely (as I'm now in my late 30s), and this regime consists of:

* avoiding exposing my face to the sun whenever I can;

* never use soap on my face, and wash face only once every 2 days with cleanser, to retain the oils and natural moisture;

* Applying both a day moisturiser and a heavier night cream (to smooth out wrinkles and keep a nice moist texture) - I use Avon products now which are cheap and good quality, and am a supplier of these, so I can supply myself conveniently and cheaply whenever I want;

* I drink plenty of water to offset drying of my skin caused by my heavy coffee consumption during the day.

So mostly now my daily make-up regime is simply wearing some brown lipstick (the brown and bronze shades suit me better than anything else).

If I'm feeling tired and haggard, or I have some special occasion or other big event I feel I need the 'full warpaint' for, I'll wear some cream foundation matched to my skin colour (light in winter, lightly tanned in summer), and very occasionally, a brown eyeshadow as well.

I don't touch eyeliner (yuck!!), lipliners, mascara, rouge or eyebrow pencils, and I refuse to spend more than $12 on any single make-up item (hence don't buy expensive foundations, lipsticks, etc).

[IceDream]

I never used to wear make-up but a few years ago I realised that in an SJ/SP world, the one way to enhance one's influence is to construct a credible outer appearance. All Sensors seem to care about is what they can SEE. So, I branded myself in such a fashion as to impress sensors. Almost immediately, I found a difference in how I was treated. I had more credibility in the corporate world. After my transformation, I was promoted very quickly (after years of status quo). We have to use the tools of a shallow world so that we can achieve our goals. My goal is to be able to make my own decisions, control my own life and to develop my competencies. Wearing make up, and high heels, and skirts and pantihose and all the other facile props that are part of the business environment has helped me to achieve those goals. Do I think make-up is stupid? Yes. Do I think it is useful. YES!

[Deliberator]

I rarely wear makeup. If I do it's usually a bit of mascara.

The only time I really went all out was for my wedding, and that involved precisely five products. I felt like it was a waste of time because it all came off later that night when I started crying. Plus I get all paranoid that I'm going to get it on all my clothes. Blegh.

I feel like it makes my face look weird and fake.

[rahdam]

I rarely wear makeup. If I do it's usually a bit of mascara.

The only time I really went all out was for my wedding, and that involved precisely five products. I felt like it was a waste of time because it all came off later that night when I started crying. Plus I get all paranoid that I'm going to get it on all my clothes. Blegh.

I feel like it makes my face look weird and fake.

1. From your avatar, you have a very pretty face, and you really don't need makeup.

2. Please tell me that they were tears of joy on your wedding night =(

[Anumidium]

I don't wear makeup, but I'm still young and there's really no need for me to do so. I hate it, but as IceDream said, it seems extremely important to keep up appearances in the corporate world. So if I ever get a job I like.. hello, facepaint. :/ I guess I should enjoy my college days while I can. XD

[hullolife]

Makeup on girls looks good, but too much... not.
Also, those really old women (like 90 years old) who wear lots of makeup sickens me.

Like makeup on leather... >.<

[Deliberator]

1. From your avatar, you have a very pretty face, and you really don't need makeup.

2. Please tell me that they were tears of joy on your wedding night =(

1. thanks
2. Yes, they were. :)

[nat]

No, I don't wear make up on my face. If I must, I'll try my best to reduce the effect.
And my mother doesn't like it. Especially in special occasions. We can waste a good half an hour debating the color of the lipstick. In a wedding, birthday, churches, whatever, I usually feel insecure with makeups. It makes me look different, and that's scary. Even though I know that makeups doesn't make me look bad. It's just... disturbing.

But I like coloring my nail.

[smashy]

I like wearing make-up but to look natural as well, nothing too much because I don´t want to look like I´m an Opera singer! lol

I like make-up, nice clothes, high heels, nice lingerie, etc, etc. But I hate speaking about that with other women, what a waste of time!

[OneHertz]

make up is generally nice in small amounts. I love nice looking eyelashes. Some girls absolutely need it too... But if it is my partner then no makeup. I hate kissing a face that has makeup on it. It's just gross to me. She is not allowed wearing any when we are together lol.

[susiegurl77]

Well... I actually like putting makeup on. I might like it because it's a solitary thing for me. I get to be an artist... someone to bring out all the beauty that could possibly be brought out, in me. Okay, so I might be a bit vain with myself. =) BTW, no, I am not the chick with the weird/excessive makeup. I just like looking my best everyday. I'm not saying you ladies don't look great, I'm sure you’re all Gorgeous Gals. ;)

[dalidaisy]

If guys like girls better without makeup, why do we wear it? I, personally, do not care for makeup. I'm pretty granola. I will oblige my friends on occasion and put some on to go out, reluctantly. I do sometimes find it fun to dress up & wear complementary makeup to fit a situation, like, say, going to a goth club or attending the opera.

[Zombicide]

Actually some times some of the things that makeup is suppose to be covering up actually make a woman look more attractive, I guess it's a kinky visceral thing for me. Although it's probably more like what rwyatt365 said.

I guess the makeup looks like a girls face isn't clean, if I can notice the makeup that is. From what I can tell and from what I've heard, wearing makeup damages people's natural face over time, so that's what comes to mind when I see make up, that and I start having cynical thoughts about what she really looks like.

Come to think of it, I don't recall ever taking a romantic interest in anyone who wears makeup, the girls I've been interested in either don't seem to be wearing makeup or they say that they don't and they look as though they don't. Not to say that it is an important factor in my attraction to them.

Yes, I take notice of makeup, when I do, it's rarely if ever in a flattering way.

[INTJSheldon]

I don't like lots of makeup, and would rather see someone with none then lots. I also dont like jewlery either.... is that strange?

[Harmony]

I need to find a goth club.... I can pull the goth look off well.... Other than that, I hardly even wear makeup to work. The only time I wear it going out is if I'm expecting someone to break out a camera...

[lamplighter]

I always notice if a girl is wearing make-up, I like it if it's done well and they take a minimalist approach to it to enhance their natural beauty. It's a turn off when they use it to try to drastically change their appearance everyday (the term "put their face on" comes to mind). I find unnaturally colored hair (green for instance) attractive if they do a good job of coloring their hair, but natural works just as well for me especially red or black hair. I don't care for a whole lot of piercings, but as for jewelry in general I don't care (although if they're wearing allot I view them as being superficial and vain, unless they somehow prove otherwise). In fact I see jewelry as an investment granted it's of good quality, but I see allot of people wearing cheap gaudy junk which is a turn off. I wear a watch all the time myself and don't mind spending some money on a nice one either, but I guess it's because I find a watch practical since I don't wear anything else that could be considered jewelry.

[Harmony]

Oh! This gives me something to do tonight! Dye my hair again!

[countrygirl]

I don't wear make up anymore but use to for a polished look at work.

[badjean]

I wear MAC makeup - mostly the lipstick shade called Verve...how much depends on how long the traffic light stays red.

[BostonIan]

I say makeup is like cheating, a woman making herself look more attractive than she is. That makes me more attracted than I should be, so I'm being manipulated.

Women try to keep up with other women, so that leads to an arms race, like steroids in major league baseball, and, pretty soon, women are made-up full time and leaving those throat-burning fruit-smelling vapor trails behind them.

Also, makeup usually has compounds in it that mimic estrogen. Those chemicals accumulate inside a woman's body and can screw up a baby boys' reproductive area. I'm admittedly weird, but I can't see a woman wearing a lot of makeup without being concerned for the legacy of the family jewels. (Google: Parabens, Endocrine-disrupting compounds).

Better if everybody just played fair.

[WayBehind]

Guy's perspective:

I'm anti-makeup, unless it's really light makeup for covering up a temporary blemish (e.g. a pimple, a flesh wound). If you're naturally attractive, it only makes you look worse (in my eyes anyway). And unless we're talking about a one-night stand, the guy is going to see you without it anyway.

Piercings are even worse. When I see one of those dangling belly button chains, I can't help but think "that zipper is begging to be pulled...." The belly button is sexy, why cover it up? Not a fan of earrings either, especially the giant hoops (see the zipper comment). Hmmm, this paragraph makes me seem violent.

Tattoos basically ruin the beautiful female form. It's like owning a Rembrandt and doodling on it with a sharpie.

[Muumeh]

I use light make-up at work and occasionally when I go out (when I feel like dressing up). Most of the time I'm au naturell. I don't like too strong make-up on myself (for reference, my pic in the picture section is me with make-up. Did I fool anyone?). In the very rare occasion when I go to a nightclub, I put on little stronger war paints so I don't look like a ghost in the dim light.

[Sesquipedalian]

I see straight through makeup. I never cease to be amazed by how guys will go "SHE IS HOT!" and I'll be thinking, "That is a cow wearing blush and mascara."

That being said, I don't think makeup is evil. Like clothing it is another way to express one's self and focus others' gaze on your good points.

I think makeup has just as much potential to make someone look great as it does to make someone look horrible, and people's success with it seems to be 50-50. I do tend to prefer that women wear less of it. The women I'm attracted to normally don't NEED to wear more makeup because they're so stunning to begin with that makeup only makes them mind-blowingly beautiful. Such is the case with the girl I'm currently interested in. She's more beautiful with no makeup than most girls are decked out.

Unless you're doing a high-fashion photoshoot, I think less is more.

Also, if a woman's fat and she wears a crapload of makeup, she just looks like a fat woman wearing a crapload of makeup.

[altoid]

I wear makeup, but when I take better care of myself (sleep more, drink more water/less coffee, eat a little better) I wear less.



Also, makeup usually has compounds in it that mimic estrogen. Those chemicals accumulate inside a woman's body and can screw up a baby boys' reproductive area. I'm admittedly weird, but I can't see a woman wearing a lot of makeup without being concerned for the legacy of the family jewels. (Google: Parabens, Endocrine-disrupting compounds).



I've read that before. Endocrine-disruptors can do a wide variety of nasty things. There is some debate as to whether or not accumulated parabens play a role in breast cancer development as well, at least concerning estrogen-sensitive tumors. The various parabens are very difficult to avoid though - they are in everything. They're sort of like the High Fructose Corn Syrup of the cosmetic world.

[karenk]

Parabens are in most shampoos, conditioners so males are exposed to these too.

[pistachio]

Girls, do you wear it? Why or why not?

Guys, do you notice it? What are your opinions on it?
a synonym for "make-up" is "pretend".
stop pretending.
its not attractive at all and you havent fooled me.
what were you thinking when you painted your face?

[sybiam]

Guy perspective...
I tend to prefer girl who don't wear make up and do not take over 9000 hours to try to look better...
While in fact..girls are beautiful and don't need anything more.

I wouldn't say that make-up make girls ugly..Just that it isn't necessary. Better spend the time they take to put make-up with someone than for trying to look better while it might not really work after all.

But I would say that on special occasion...It might be funny to see a partner with a radical look...

[zibber]

That being said, I don't think makeup is evil. Like clothing it is another way to express one's self and focus others' gaze on your good points.

Hmm.. if this is unequivocally the case, how come there are so many people who feel compelled to wear make-up?

(As for clothing, I like to think its primary merits are warmth and protection.)

Parabens are in most shampoos, conditioners so males are exposed to these too.

Ah, but you are forgetting about the unkempt hippie. NO DICE! :laugh:

[MaleVolentworld]

Makeup
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Around the eyes....mmmm

[Harmony]

I'm quite fascinated reading all these replies... And thinking back to what one of my former supervisors said one night.... He said he preferred if his wife always wore makeup and fixed her hair before they went out, because he didn't want to be seen with some plain Jane...

[Lucid]

I say makeup is like cheating, a woman making herself look more attractive than she is. That makes me more attracted than I should be, so I'm being manipulated.

Women try to keep up with other women, so that leads to an arms race, like steroids in major league baseball, and, pretty soon, women are made-up full time and leaving those throat-burning fruit-smelling vapor trails behind them.

Also, makeup usually has compounds in it that mimic estrogen. Those chemicals accumulate inside a woman's body and can screw up a baby boys' reproductive area. I'm admittedly weird, but I can't see a woman wearing a lot of makeup without being concerned for the legacy of the family jewels. (Google: Parabens, Endocrine-disrupting compounds).

Better if everybody just played fair.

Yes, and wearing stylish clothing, combing one's hair and cutting it, and also using deodorant. These are all cheating.

BostonIan, you win my coveted Tinfoil Hat Award (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)! It was a close call between you and Luthor Rex, but you are the proud winner! Yay!

Also, makeup has no hormones in it. Parabans are found in a wide variety of things that you probably use yourself. Did you google the word? Check out the wiki? It's in toothpaste and shaving gel. Unless you don't use these products lest they give you an unfair advantage over other males in the dating arena and lead to an ugly arms race!

There will always be a group of people who say that something is harmful, but over decades of use and testing, parabans have been shown to be safe. Tell me you don't think that underarm deodorant cause cancer or vaccinations cause autism. Please.

[childofprodigy]

I'm a guy, and I do notice makeup, and I like girls who wear make up because personally I think it makes them prettier...If they wear too much of it, it might actually make them uglier though, so balance is key here

[zibber]

I'm quite fascinated reading all these replies... And thinking back to what one of my former supervisors said one night.... He said he preferred if his wife always wore makeup and fixed her hair before they went out, because he didn't want to be seen with some plain Jane...

What kinds of make-up does he apply before going out?

I'm a guy, and I do notice makeup, and I like girls who wear make up because personally I think it makes them prettier.

Nice. Are you a make-up user yourself, or is there too strong a connotation with femininity? Clearly you feel it enhances one's attractiveness.

how come there are so many people who feel compelled to wear make-up?

Well, make-up having become customary, now it is viewed as normal or even the norm. In the minds of many, leaving the house without make-up is unthinkable. There is actually a threshold there. This is when my bullshit-radar activates. No cultural convention (especially, ESPECIALLY when arbitrarily connected to one gender) should exert actual pressure.

(Yes, I did.)

[dalidaisy]

Well, make-up having become customary, now it is viewed as normal or even the norm. In the minds of many, leaving the house without make-up is unthinkable. There is actually a threshold there. This is when my bullshit-radar activates. No cultural convention (especially, ESPECIALLY when arbitrarily connected to one gender) should exert actual pressure.


My mother won't leave the house without makeup. She also has to be dressed appropriately. I spent a lot of my youth watching my mother & her strange routines to impress others. It confounded me & made me queston her sanity at times. I mean, the woman was a completely different person after she got all made up & got around other people. It was like she put on a costume & went about an acting job everyday.

So, to this day, I view makeup & stylish clothes as something of a costume. I don't like to wear either, but if a situation calls for it, then I can certainly comply. Sometimes, the clothes & makeup help me get into my "E" costume, so to speak.

Do I feel pressure to wear makeup? Yes. My mother gives me a hard time everytime I see her. She thinks that if I don't curl my hair, wear stylish clothes & a ton of makeup, then I am not taking pride in my appearance. Also, all of my friends & aquaintances (of the female persuasion & a couple of male) wear makeup & care greatly about how people view them. It is hard to resist the pressure at times. It's strange, but my friends sometime pull me aside & apply makeup to me because they feel I need to be wearing it.

Am I that ugly without it? Can I not be proud of being just me? Damn, it's so frustrating...

Let me make this easier. Which do you prefer?

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[Zhen]

Personally I've never been interested, wouldn't know how and couldn't be stuffed/am too lazy...there are way too many other things I'd rather spend that time, money and effort on.

That said though, it's personal choice and I do believe that when it's done well it definitely is not obvious and makes people look more attractive.

I know a lot of women actually wear it because it improves their low self esteem...so it does serve some meaningful purpose.

I passed a news stand the other day with a poster of shots of Eva Longoria and Angelina Jolie without makeup and I actually am ashamed to admit I was pretty horrified!

I think basically if someone wears makeup that is the status quo- they will always have to wear makeup because people aren't used to seeing them any less attractive...which is why I'm happy I never started...

I am kinda surprised that so many males here said they didn't like women wearing makeup...maybe it's an INTJ thing...

[Harmony]

What kinds of make-up does he apply before going out?


What, now come on... A shallow guy like him, and you want him to NOT have a double standard? Please, you know better. =P

[dalidaisy]

I passed a news stand the other day with a poster of shots of Eva Longoria and Angelina Jolie without makeup and I actually am ashamed to admit I was pretty horrified!


You know, when I see pictures of celebrities without makeup, it makes me smile, beacuse it shows that they are real people, just like me. Sure, they don't have that glossy shine that makes people swoon, but I honestly think they look better. Shedding the mask & being who you are naturally is always beautiful in my eyes. To hell with society's standards & what everyone else thinks!