Help me type someone?

[Antares]

This is this friend whom I want to type, but we're not that close. Ok. I admit it. I used to have this huge crush on him, and most people felt that he liked me back. Paradoxically, we started becoming friends after we got over each other. Anyway, I'm still awfully curious on what type he might be... Maybe it's some left over feelings... I dunno... I've had him pegged as ENTP, but some of the parts don't fit. Here goes:

-He's outgoing and popular
-Not exactly sensitive and puts down others as a joke (but we all know this and most of the time not offended)
-Says random things sometimes
-Loves sports
-Impatient and always on-the-go
-Lives for present thrills. Our conversations don't go deep enough to know what he thinks of the future.
-Impish and mischievous; always has this twinkle in his eyes signalling that he's about to say something that would annoy you- a lot
-Caring: It rarely shows, but on occasions, it comes out. I was actually surprised when I saw that side of him.
-Messy, haphazard but always seems to pass
-Quick to criticize, and gives good points too, but it seems that he mainly does that to annoy people
-Creative, metaphorical and random
-Multi-talented
-Weird, witty and sometimes eccentric. Does out-of-the-ordinary things, like *almost* eating a worm. Non-traditional and is somewhat rebellious

[narusmummy]

Is this (secretly) a test or just a question?? :)

My best guess would be that your friend is an ESFP. Unfortunately your description lists his traits rather than his gifts/qualities (remember the MBTI is not trait-based!) and this makes it harder to give a more definate answer.

What does everyone else think??

[SShack]

Hmm. I'd put him as ESTP. He seems somewhat like an ENTP, but his love of sports and thrill-seeking attitude suggests S rather than N to me. Does this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) description seem to match him?

[Jed3]

He's definetly some sort of S.

[Antares]

He's definetly some sort of S.

His love of sports and thrill-seeking habits are S trait, but I find his non-comformity and his radical ideas that defy tradition are N too. Also, he tend to question everything before accepting it. ExTP, maybe?

[simoncpu]

ESFP, most likely.

[qwerty]

In the E-I Preferences
-He's outgoing and popular
Can be either, but lets stick with general people and say E.
-Not exactly sensitive and puts down others as a joke (but we all know this and most of the time not offended)
He see others as part of his world which is an I trait, against seeing himself as part of the world.
-Impish and mischievous; always has this twinkle in his eyes signalling that he's about to say something that would annoy you- a lot
This is partially an iNtuitive trait I guess, but I've left it here because it emphasises the previous point.
-Weird, witty and sometimes eccentric. Does out-of-the-ordinary things, like *almost* eating a worm. Non-traditional and is somewhat rebellious
Non-traditional is also more N but, the fact that it's a outgoing quality I'd leave it here.

So with everything above I will suck it up and say E even though I believe an introverted person can possess the same qualities, the only reason I'm sticking with E is because you didn't say he disappeared off the radar sometimes, which would be a quality of outgoing I's.

In the N-S preferences
-Loves sports
Generally Sensors love sports but it doesn't mean intuitives can't either :P
-Creative, metaphorical and random
Metaphorical N
-Says random things sometimes
-Multi-talented
The last two are debatable for either side I guess so I'd focus more on what he pays attention to, the idea or the object?

In the P-J preferences
-Impatient and always on-the-go
-Lives for present thrills. Our conversations don't go deep enough to know what he thinks of the future.
-Messy, haphazard but always seems to pass
All are perceiving qualities so a P


In the T-F preferences
-Caring: It rarely shows, but on occasions, it comes out. I was actually surprised when I saw that side of him.
Feeling
-Quick to criticize, and gives good points too, but it seems that he mainly does that to annoy people
Thinking
As he does the latter more I would give him T.

So my guess is ExTP.

[Antares]

So with everything above I will suck it up and say E even though I believe an introverted person can possess the same qualities, the only reason I'm sticking with E is because you didn't say he disappeared off the radar sometimes, which would be a quality of outgoing I's.

Good analysis, and I think I agree with ExTP (I think ETP is quite hard to dispute. He might have a strong, hidden Fe in there somehere). No, he doesn't just disappear. It's impossible to not notice him while he's in the room, always making snide comments about one thing or another, bickering over mindless matters just because he's bored and need to talk. Sometimes, I feel the urge to punch him to shut him up, but find his childish antics much too adorable. I'd say I'm outgoing, but I do disappear off the radar quite a lot to make time for myself. People would often ask me: Where were you? I like being around people and they like me, but I need alone time as well. Maybe that does define an outgoing introvert; never thought about it that way :thumbsup:

[Darkmist]

My INTJ son has a friend who possesses these personality traits, and he is ESTP. My husband is ENTP, and though there are similarities, other things don't fit.

Outgoing and popular. ENTP is outgoing but not necessarily popular as they step on people's toes too much.

Impish and mischievious. ENTP does say things just to annoy but more out of the blue without any sparkle in the eyes. ESTP is the consummate imp.

Does out of the ordinary things like almost eating a worm. My husband has never done anything like that, but my son's friend has. And while he does it he has a charming smile and a sparkle in his eye, kind of a 'dare me to and I will.' He's good at this pretense because he seems so sincere about it, but is just as likely to shift it up his sleeve.

My two cents are on ESTP.

[SShack]

Impish and mischievious. ENTP does say things just to annoy but more out of the blue without any sparkle in the eyes. ESTP is the consummate imp.

I don't know if this is entirely true. I get that look when I know I'm about to cause trouble by outsmarting somebody, especially in public, like a shark going in for the kill. Wow, we can be nasty, can't we?

But I do think it's a different form of impishness than an ESTPs.

[Darkmist]

You are a more subtle, hide behind the scenes form. If I watched my husband's eyes constantly, I might see the same. But he is more hidden inside and shocking and less outwardly charming than the ESTP I know. That one is pure mischief, and pure trouble. ENTP is difficult (celebral?) and more steady if that makes sense. ESTP is pure playboy.

[Antares]

You are a more subtle, hide behind the scenes form. If I watched my husband's eyes constantly, I might see the same. But he is more hidden inside and shocking and less outwardly charming than the ESTP I know. That one is pure mischief, and pure trouble. ENTP is difficult (celebral?) and more steady if that makes sense. ESTP is pure playboy.

Then it would make more sense that he's an ESTP with a strong Ne.

[meanlittlechimp]

Outgoing and popular. ENTP is outgoing but not necessarily popular as they step on people's toes too much.

Impish and mischievious. ENTP does say things just to annoy but more out of the blue without any sparkle in the eyes. ESTP is the consummate imp.
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Neither type is necessarily popular. I have met ESTPs that are very unpopular. I agree with most folks here that he has to be an ESTP or ENTP but I would lean slightly more towards ENTP. Mainly because INTJs are more likely to have a crush on one.

A good way to tell is start ranting about some esoteric subject or interest you have and see how it goes. ESTPs aren't as interested in debating theory or random things all night. ESTPs can also be interested in a wide variety of quirky or eccentric things. The difference is most ENTPs are interested in pretty much everything. If an INTJ went on a rant about analytic philosphy or computer science, the ENTP is more likely to be interested in participating in the discussion with no prior interest or knowledge. Not saying the ESTP is incapable of this, but are less likely to be.

[Darkmist]

I don't know. My INTJ son had a close relationship with his ESTP friend for about four years, which might be called a crush (on both sides), though their differences eventually led to a falling out of sorts.

As to the ENTP difference, my observation is that ENTP is outgoing and fun, yet not as social as they desire to be and so, somewhat reserved inside. Or maybe just at a loss in the social situations they so desperately desire to be the center of. My husband insists I do the party thing (uh, yeah), and then relies on me to carry the night, a part I hate being cast at. He likes people and wants to be with them but in a half observer, half participant way. Almost like he's torn between what he wants and what he needs.

My son's ESTP friend is the life of every party. He's the guitar playing, singing, pot-smoking you name it. He rarely rests and is always cracking jokes to keep the attention on him. My husband is a bit more subtle and somewhat darker in his humor, less acceptable to the mainstream.

Though the ESTP can be quite 'out there' as well. I hope this isn't confusing.


About the ENTP interested in everything. That only seems to last until the next, new exciting topic or person comes along. Now that isn't so far from ESTP either. Both seem easily distracted.

[meanlittlechimp]

Good analysis, and I think I agree with ExTP (I think ETP is quite hard to dispute. He might have a strong, hidden Fe in there somehere). No, he doesn't just disappear. It's impossible to not notice him while he's in the room, always making snide comments about one thing or another, bickering over mindless matters just because he's bored and need to talk. Sometimes, I feel the urge to punch him to shut him up, but find his childish antics much too adorable. I'd say I'm outgoing, but I do disappear off the radar quite a lot to make time for myself. People would often ask me: Where were you? I like being around people and they like me, but I need alone time as well. Maybe that does define an outgoing introvert; never thought about it that way :thumbsup:

When he's bickering over mindless matters, is it more to assert his dominance as alpha male or is it more likely his motivation is to get to an answer or solution to the debate (or bickering) at hand? One thing I've noticed is that ESTPs definitely have more stereotypical, male, physical dominance, behaviors. Not that ENTP's won't but under different circumstances typically.


About the ENTP interested in everything. That only seems to last until the next, new exciting topic or person comes along. Now that isn't so far from ESTP either. Both seem easily distracted.

True, but you can usually get them to talk about whatever your into, at least for the night. I don't find ESTPs as likely to rant all night about some random thing they had no previous in. They might give you a few snappy one liners, but they generally aren't as interesting in everything, even temporarily.

I also find ESTPs much more competitive in physical sports. I've seen a few that go totally apeshit and start breaking things when they lose. ENTPs can be very competitive at physical games/sports as well and will talk all kinds of smack during the game, but I don't find it affects them afterwards, when they lose.

One of my best friends in high school, was an ESTP, and I was better than him at most sports, because I played organized football, basketball etc (though he was more talented and was a pure natural athlete). The thing is when he lost, the rage that would occasionally come out, was frightening. He wouldn't get that way over chess match, however. It might just be him, but the other ESTPs that I've played organized sports with over almost a decade, tend to have this same sort of response. Our starting linebacker (ESTP) would actually cry after we lost in the locker room (which was shocking to say the least) since he was the most macho guy you would ever meet. I can't imagine an ENTP doing the same. Though I never played sports with any of them.