Typing the Ninja Turtles

[blue tie]

I've been having trouble nailing down the MBTI types of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Since there are four of them, I figured it would be one of each, but I keep getting stuff on Raphael.

Leo - SJ. He respects tradition and Master Splinter and all that jazz.
Mikey - ESFP. Action. Pizza. Funny. Duhh...
Donatello - I used to jump straight to NT. He's at least a T.
Raph - I have no idea...

I've Googled for other people's opinions. One guy put Raph as INTJ which would explain his hot-headedness. Then Donnie was like an STJ, which made Leo an NFJ, which didn't really sound that accurrate to me. Although, in my original model, Raph would have been the NF, which sounds way off. How do you type someone that's permanently on edge?

[Santana28]

I've been having trouble nailing down the MBTI types of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Since there are four of them, I figured it would be one of each, but I keep getting stuff on Raphael.

Leo - SJ. He respects tradition and Master Splinter and all that jazz.
Mikey - ESFP. Action. Pizza. Funny. Duhh...
Donatello - I used to jump straight to NT. He's at least a T.
Raph - I have no idea...

I've Googled for other people's opinions. One guy put Raph as INTJ which would explain his hot-headedness. Then Donnie was like an STJ, which made Leo an NFJ, which didn't really sound that accurrate to me. Although, in my original model, Raph would have been the NF, which sounds way off. How do you type someone that's permanently on edge?

i think Donny's an INTP... he never finishes anything unless he has to!
Raph? i could never tell whether he was a true introvert or an unhappy extrovert. Definitely SF. I'd say he's an ISFJ or ISFP. You're right - its hard to type someone whose personality is not exactly baseline.

Leonardo was always my favorite. Well...second to Shredder of course ;) i always had a weakness for the bad guys. Was Shredder an INTJ or ESFJ?

[Universe]

Leo seems like an ISTJ and I'd guess Donatello's an ENTP. Mikey seems like an ESFP.

Raph is unstable and crabby, but I still see him as more of a T than an F. He lacks empathy and just seems more guided by thinking than feeling, so I think he's an ISTP.

[narutofanninja]

I think Leo is more Extroverted. He doesn't depend on other people, but that is the source of his strength. In a way, he feels liable of protecting others.

[Universe]

I think Leo is more Extroverted. He doesn't depend on other people, but that is the source of his strength. In a way, he feels liable of protecting others.

What type of extrovert do you think he is? I can't see him as an ESTJ.

But I think ISTJ's tend to feel liable. When they see a friend get hurt they might feel guilty, like they could have and should have done something to prevent it. Since they have a need to be perfect.

[Uberfuhrer]

Leonardo: ENFJ
Donatello: INTP
Raphael: ISTJ
Michaelangelo: ESFP

At least in last year's CG TMNT movie.

[pavman]

Duh, Splinter is the INTJ! :)

Of course, I'm basing it on the first movie, and the cartoon series, not the comic books, so it could be waaay off :thumbsup:

[Lucid]

Holy crap, I was just thinking about this the other day. Take your listening devices out of my teeth you bastards! :suspicious:

My favorite was always Raphael because of his sarcasm. I was wondering if he might qualify as an INTJ but decided against it. I think he's definitely an S of some kind.

[Santana28]

Holy crap, I was just thinking about this the other day. Take your listening devices out of my teeth you bastards! :suspicious:

My favorite was always Raphael because of his sarcasm. I was wondering if he might qualify as an INTJ but decided against it. I think he's definitely an S of some kind.

shredder! what is the shredder??

side note: i couldnt stand raphael.

[Lucid]

shredder! what is the shredder??

side note: i couldnt stand raphael.

ENTJ? Isn't that the default evil overlord type?

Or maybe an ESTJ?

[Santana28]

he seems more an ENFJ to me...but he was always pissed off at the turtles so its not like we ever saw him in a normal state :)

but that would make sense.

[Lucid]

he seems more an ENFJ to me...but he was always pissed off at the turtles so its not like we ever saw him in a normal state :)

but that would make sense.

Yeah, it's difficult to tell a personality type if someone's always pissed off. Although, maybe he was just pissed off all the time. What type is most likely to be pissed off all the time because a bunch of anthropomorphized reptiles were constantly thwarting your attempts to do evil with an army of easily controlled, yet highly skilled martial artists? :)

I see your point about the ENFJ typing. I looked the profile up and found:
"They have tremendous charisma by which many are drawn into their nurturant tutelage and/or grand schemes. Many ENFJs have tremendous power to manipulate others with their phenomenal interpersonal skills and unique salesmanship."
So maybe he's a broken ENFJ.

[Santana28]

you have to remember that Shredder was not always the most careful planner and tended to do things out of fits of anger... Krang, remember Krang? When it came to actual operational planning, Krang was king. But Shredder was better at organization, motivation, and willpower! I don't see him as much of a functional thinking type so much as a megalomaniacal leader!

[vanidence]

Woooow...you Guys are awesome! It's great you also labeled "non Real" Chars! I LOVE the TMNT so I am even more happy to see this Thread! >//<
While we are at it...what about annoying April of the earlier Comics, compared to smart, cool April of the 2003 Series? Or Casey? And what about the two Dumbsters Rocksteady and Beebop?

Hm, actually...Raph IS kinda tough to label. He is pretty hot-headed, straight, somehow always "on his own" and also he tends to act before thinking because of his Temperament. So...hm. =/

Oddly...I always really liked them all, but mostly Leo. Then with the new Series in 2003 it kinda changed and Raph / Leo were somehow sharing the Top, followed by Mikey (Fun Guy) and Donnie. Weird. ^^°

[brian1625]

Leo ISTJ
Ralph ISFJ
Mikey ESFP
Donny ISTP

Look at negative traits of ISFJ for Ralph. And you'll also notice the two Js are at each other throats. This is common when two similar personalty types occupy the same space. I notice on a lot of MBTI websites, they tend to focus on the female type personalities with "F" types. It's not just the "Nurturer type" With Ralph it's a masculine ISFJ "The Defender" (Also fits his weapon choice, a defending weapon)

When Splinter gets kidnapped. Ralph goes on his own to recharge (i) and takes it the hardest. That's what he values most. Helping others, especially those close to him.

Leo is also an introvert. He goes off and meditates.

Makes sense that Ninjas would value alone time and measured results. (Hence the IJ combo like INTJ) Mikey is the exception, he's always been the exception. But he remains an extroverted S. He shadowed his brother Ralph. (Sibling type shadowing as mention in Jung's Psychological types)

Makes sense they would all be "S" types. They're brothers.

[9272]

Michaelangelo-ESFP for sure
Leo-ESTJ
Don-ENTP???
Raph-ENFP......or INFP.....I guess INFP makes more sense as there would be a Te struggle where he blasts everyone with his thoughts.

Splinter INFJ
Shredder-ENTJ
Krang-INTJ

[brian1625]

Fe and Te are practically the same functions. F is just peppered with people in the equation. Fe and Te in the same room it can get nasty.

I'm going to need arguments for your "N" types. I don't see examples of "N" types. They don't really see the big picture, they tend to about what things are as oppose to what things mean or what things are going to mean. They often focus on the here and now and Splinter handles the big ideas.

Here's negative traits for ISFJ. See Ralph?
May find difficulty expressing their feelings without fear or anger.
May be unable to correctly judge what really is for the best
May wrongly suspect others of having hidden motives or agendas
May be unable to shrug off feelings impending disaster
May be unable to acknowledge or hear anything that goes against their certainty about the "correct" or "right" way to do things
May have a tendency to blame particular persons for disturbing or upsetting "their world" by simply being who they are
May come across to others as cold and insensitive to anything but another's ability to fit in with and support their own judgments
May be unnecessarily harsh or strict about appropriate social behaviour
May be oblivious to what others think about them
May come across as rigid, inflexible or even cold and uncaring to others, without being aware of it
May be unable to understand verbal logic, and quickly cut off other's explanations
May value their own certainties about the world and its problems far above others
May be quite falsely certain of their influence upon, and understandingof others
May be extremely vulnerable to tricks, con men, false hopes, religious cults and conspiracy theories
May react with anger or distress when someone expresses disagreement with their view of the world, or disapproval of their judgements
May favour their judgements to the degree that they are unable to notice the pain or difficulty such judgements might cause others
Under great stress, are likely to make outrageously harsh and uncaringly selfish survival oriented decisions

Here's positive traits for ISTJ Leo
Their desire to execute known systems against concrete facts makes them happy to chunk through large amounts of routine work.
With their respect for rules and order, they value honesty and integrity and seek to live with these ideals.
An ISTJ has a "stick to it" attitude. They're not afraid of hard work, and will put forth a great deal of effort towards something that they are interested in. This persistence will help the ISTJ to achieve any identified goal.
The ISTJ's value for social structure makes them more interested in being social than is true for many Introverts.

*Edit
INFJ Shredder
I may go with INFP for Splinter.

[9272]

Fe and Te are practically the same functions

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No wonder some people have no idea what they are, wow.Most of the qualities you list just scream Te and Fi outloud.

May be unnecessarily harsh or strict about appropriate social behaviour


?? Never remember this happening...maybe with leo, which is why he's an SJ.

His names not even "ralph". Yeah i'll get into all of this later.

[brian1625]

I'll give an actual example to please your Te.

"May be unnecessarily harsh or strict about appropriate social behavior"

Example.

Raphael to Leo
"Why are we down here in the sewers looking for a place to stay, shouldn't we be out finding the Foot?" Without consulting the team further with his argument, he pouts and goes off and does it himself.

[9272]

"Why are we down here in the sewers looking for a place to stay, shouldn't we be out finding the Foot?" Without consulting the team further with his argument, he pouts and goes off and does it himself.

Dominant Si is all about acting on feelings and ignoring security?

"May be unnecessarily harsh or strict about appropriate social behavior"

Socially appropriate to look towards revenge and ignore security?

Te examples may include flowers and bows.

[davai]

Which version?

[brian1625]

Dominant Si is about "knowing" what's right. He fought the foot before (Si) then it's followed up by Fe; God damn it he's going to do something about it.

As for your second point. What's socially appropriated is relative. It's not a fixed thing as you have mentioned. Real world example. Gays not being allowed to marry may seem socially appropriate to one person, but not the other.

Now what's unfortunate here, is that if you are INTJ. (I don't know you, so I won't speculate) As is common with INTJs is you -may- want to "Win" this argument as oppose to coming ton a consensus. Well, if you plan on winning this argument. I'm going need you to defend your arguments of your choices. As I have defended mine, at least to some extent.

*Edit. The Movies are what I'm referring too. Good question.

[davai]

*Edit. The Movies are what I'm referring too. Good question.

Haven't watched those in forever. Mikey is probably the same in any version.
Donny IxTP.
Leo maybe ISTJ, and Raph dunno. In that more recent anime film he was possibly ISTP.
Shredder is an emotive T, or a messed up F.
Splinter INFJ sounds right.
Krang is too awesome to be typed.
Rocksteady and Bebop are probably 2 two dumb SPs.

[brian1625]

Donny as IxTP I tend to go with. Ti as his first trait.

Also notice Raph the first movie. He takes it the HARDEST when Splinter was captured. The core of his being is protecting his family, but it causes a lot of emotional turmoil (See Negative ISFJ traits above)

Splinter INFJ. Explain?

[Subtotal]

I'm not sure how to type Raph, but I will say that he's either an inferior Fe or a underdeveloped Fi type (oblivious to others feelings)...

Given how there's an ongoing thread that Raph thinks he should be in charge (Te?) I would say that he's probably an xxTJ type, he could actually be a maladjusted ENTJ...

On another note, does anyone have a type for April? (And possible Casey Jones)

[brian1625]

Where you are getting your information about the differences in Te and Fe?

He seems very Fe, he tells people what's morally right. What's morally right isn't a static thing, it's what the person believes. Hitler was considered INFJ, (FE) what he considered morally right was exterminating Jews. He doesn't have to be right, he just has to lean on morals in personality and objectify it to others.

And if you have your own explanation PLEASE explain yourself. This INTP is going mad here. I don't care what you think, I care why you think.

I'll compare ISFJ Weakness above with what is on his wiki page. Again, to help all you Te's with "facts" that are out there.

ISFJ
"Under great stress, are likely to make outrageously harsh and uncaringly selfish survival oriented decisions "

Raph on Wiki
"Raphael will often put the security of his family and sometimes friends in danger as far as disobeying Splinter and Leonardo,.......

.....but will react immediately if they are in danger."

ISFJ
"The ISFJ feels a strong sense of responsibility and duty."

Raph Wikipedia
"He has an extremely loyal side and is the first to react when another of his brothers is in trouble. This happens on numerous occasions, like when he stops a blow from hitting Donatello using only his sais or kicks the Shredder away from Leonardo when the latter is about to attack."

ISFJ
"May have a tendency to blame particular persons for disturbing or upsetting "their world" by simply being who they are"

Raph Wiki
"Raphael appears to live in the shadow of Leonardo and resents his brother's social position in the group. "

[9272]

I'm not sure how to type Raph, but I will say that he's either an inferior Fe or a underdeveloped Fi type (oblivious to others feelings)...

Given how there's an ongoing thread that Raph thinks he should be in charge (Te?) I would say that he's probably an xxTJ type, he could actually be a maladjusted ENTJ...

On another note, does anyone have a type for April? (And possible Casey Jones)

Maybe april is an ACTUAL ISFJ,casey jones actual ISTP

[Bisclavret]

Leonardo: ENFJ
Raphael: ISTP/J
Michelangelo: ESFP
Donatello: INTP

That's my impression, although I haven't watched them in years.

[brian1625]

Bisclavert. INTP? Surely you care about Why? right?

One thing that bothers me about personality classifications of fictional characters or celebrities is no one REALLY explains themselves.

And anyone else notice the irony of an INTJ forum? am I missing something?

[Vermillion]

Awesome INTJ - Mondo Geko

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[UltraIncredible]

Raphael had a completely different personality in the '80s cartoon compared with the original movies. In the cartoon he was basically Chandler from Friends, his function was to make wisecracks and never take things too seriously. In the movies (at least in the first one) he was angry, brooding and a loner.

[9272]

And anyone else notice the irony of an INTJ forum? am I missing something?

I dunno i thought it was a waste of time since you think Fe and Te are the same thing.

[Bisclavret]

Bisclavert. INTP? Surely you care about Why? right?

One thing that bothers me about personality classifications of fictional characters or celebrities is no one REALLY explains themselves.

And anyone else notice the irony of an INTJ forum? am I missing something?

They are fictional so information is relatively sparse and or self-contradicting. Besides, like I said, I haven't watched them in years.

[brian1625]

I dunno i thought it was a waste of time since you think Fe and Te are the same thing.

I don't care what you think, I care why you think. What I meant by that was simply they share the same brain functions. Example: N and S share the same brain neural structures. The same pattern recognizers. Which is why it is hard for someone to be both a top function N and a S with out it requiring to much energy. One's pattern recognizers have a routine. (much like with language such as bieng aleb to raed tihs snetecne, yuor brain ntaurlaly mkaes predictions. The natural predictions are also what give you your personality.) If you break from the routine it will tire you. This is why the system does not allow for someone like a ETFP or an INSJ as the top functions.

Which is why I said, Te and Fe essentially the same. Two sides of the same coin.

Bisclavert
They are fictional so information is relatively sparse and or self-contradicting. Besides, like I said, I haven't watched them in years.

Fair enough, but you managed an opinion on the matter?

[9272]

I don't care what you think, I care why you think.

Sweet, i just don't like wasting my time. If you think that raging and keeping feelings private is a great example of Fe it's basically arguing that bread is the color purple.


See how long that response tooK? Could go on a long-winded rant about why everyone is the type i chose only to see Ti form it's own definition of whatever it wants right again, and i'm not even particularly interested in the turtles.

[Subtotal]

Where you are getting your information about the differences in Te and Fe?

He seems very Fe, he tells people what's morally right. What's morally right isn't a static thing, it's what the person believes. Hitler was considered INFJ, (FE) what he considered morally right was exterminating Jews. He doesn't have to be right, he just has to lean on morals in personality and objectify it to others.


That really seems more Fi to me, Raph bases his actions on his own interpretation of events and measures things by his own yardstick, based on my understanding of what Fe and Fi are, the description you've given could only be interpreted as Fe if it was only being expressed negatively, even then it's a stretch.

Also, Hitler was not right in the head, the MBTI system was not designed to handle people who are mentally ill so you can't use him as an example for this.

I don't care what you think, I care why you think. What I meant by that was simply they share the same brain functions. Example: N and S share the same brain neural structures. The same pattern recognizers. Which is why it is hard for someone to be both a top function N and a S with out it requiring to much energy. One's pattern recognizers have a routine. (much like with language such as bieng aleb to raed tihs snetecne, yuor brain ntaurlaly mkaes predictions. The natural predictions are also what give you your personality.) If you break from the routine it will tire you. This is why the system does not allow for someone like a ETFP or an INSJ as the top functions.

Which is why I said, Te and Fe essentially the same. Two sides of the same coin.

Bisclavert

You have no idea what Fe actually is do you?

Fe: Connecting; considering others and the group - organizing to meet their needs and honor their values; adjusting and accommodating others; deciding if something is appropriate or acceptable to others.

Te: Ordering; organizing for efficiency; systematizing; applying logic; structuring; checking for consequences; monitoring for standards or specifications being met; setting boundaries, guidelines, and parameters, deciding if something is working or not.

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Also, you don't seem to understand the difference between sensing and intuition functions, I would suggest you do some more research before making statements about things you don't understand.

[brian1625]

I don't care about making mistakes in my effort, I care about getting to the right answer. I'm not here to gain status among people in a forum, I'm here to get answers and hear others opinions.

BTW, THANK YOU. Subtotal. You've contributed an actual argument. You have excellent arguments. (I'm not being sarcastic)

With that said, I'm not sure Hitler was mentally ill. As I don't think the majority of people who had slaves could be considered mentally ill. If it's socially acceptable behavior with in the context of a social group, it's not considered a mental illness.

There's a problem I have with MBTI and F male types. I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder and I want it addressed. Most of these websites make it seem as if Male F types will bake you cookies and cupcakes. How "F" is expressed in males seems like it'd be different.

If negative traits can not be applied to personality leanings, I will find no use in MBTI and I'll move on. I find no use it something telling me how awesome I am. The first thing I did when learning about MBTI is look at negative traits, most MBTI websites make people seem like they're are perfect beings without flaws. There's downsides to T, F, S, N all of them.

How do these websites even come to conclusions about "negative traits"?

I have done research, but maybe not on your level. Since you seem to have done research, could you explain why S and N can not be the top two functions?

"It doesn't work if you do it that way" <--- not an acceptable answer.

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That really seems more Fi to me, Raph bases his actions on his own interpretation of events and measures things by his own yardstick, based on my understanding of what Fe and Fi are, the description you've given could only be interpreted as Fe if it was only being expressed negatively, even then it's a stretch.

I see what you're saying and that makes some sense, but the difference from that and Fi is that he lets the world know what he feels and what should be addressed. (Raph telling Leo he's doing it wrong) Fi's would keep it to themselves. (Fi is a P as a top function not a J)

[brian1625]

You have no idea what Fe actually is do you?

Fe: Connecting; considering others and the group - organizing to meet their needs and honor their values; adjusting and accommodating others; deciding if something is appropriate or acceptable to others.

Te: Ordering; organizing for efficiency; systematizing; applying logic; structuring; checking for consequences; monitoring for standards or specifications being met; setting boundaries, guidelines, and parameters, deciding if something is working or not.

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Also, you don't seem to understand the difference between sensing and intuition functions, I would suggest you do some more research before making statements about things you don't understand.

Okay, I've done research. Here's negative traits of Fe. Posting just positive traits would be disingenuous.

Here's types with Fe as a top two trait.

ENFJ
"Most of the weaker characteristics found in ENFJs are due to their dominant Extraverted Feeling overvaluing what they see as objective values in the external world and thereby judging too much by the needs of others, or by appearances. "

ESFJ
May be unable to correctly judge what really is for the best
May become spiteful and extremely intractable in the face of clear, logical reasoning
May be unable to shrug off feelings that others are not "good people"
May be unable to acknowledge anything that goes against their certainty about the "correct" or "right" way to do things
May attribute their own problems to arbitrary and unprovable notions about the way people "ought" to behave
May be at a loss when confronted with situations that require basic technical expertise or clear thinking
May be oblivious to all but their own viewpoint, valuing their own viewpoint, valuing their own certainties to the exclusion of others
May be unable to understand verbal logic, and quickly cut off other's explanations
May be falsely certain of the true needs and feeling of others
May be extremely vulnerable to superstitions, religious cults, and media manipulation
May react too quickly and too emotionally in a situation better dealt with in a more pragmatic fashio

INFJ

May be unaware (and sometimes uncaring) of how they come across to others
May quickly dismiss input from others without really considering it
May apply their judgment more often towards others, rather than towards themselves
With their ability to see an issue from many sides, they may always find others at fault for any problems in their lives
May have unrealistic and/or unreasonable expectations of others
May be intolerant of weaknesses in others
May believe that they're always right
May be obsessive and passionate about details that may be unimportant to the big picture
May be cuttingly derisive and sarcastic towards others
May have an intense and quick temper
May be tense, wound up, have high blood pressure and find it difficult to relax
May hold grudges, and have difficulty forgiving people
May be wishy-washy and unsure how to act in situations that require quick decision making
May have difficulty communicating their thoughts and feelings to others
May see so many tangents everywhere that they can't stay focused on the bottom line or the big picture

ISFJ

May find difficulty expressing their feelings without fear or anger.
May be unable to correctly judge what really is for the best
May wrongly suspect others of having hidden motives or agendas
May be unable to shrug off feelings impending disaster
May be unable to acknowledge or hear anything that goes against their certainty about the "correct" or "right" way to do things
May have a tendency to blame particular persons for disturbing or upsetting "their world" by simply being who they are
May come across to others as cold and insensitive to anything but another's ability to fit in with and support their own judgments
May be unnecessarily harsh or strict about appropriate social behaviour
May be oblivious to what others think about them
May come across as rigid, inflexible or even cold and uncaring to others, without being aware of it
May be unable to understand verbal logic, and quickly cut off other's explanations
May value their own certainties about the world and its problems far above others
May be quite falsely certain of their influence upon, and understandingof others
May be extremely vulnerable to tricks, con men, false hopes, religious cults and conspiracy theories
May react with anger or distress when someone expresses disagreement with their view of the world, or disapproval of their judgements
May favour their judgements to the degree that they are unable to notice the pain or difficulty such judgements might cause others
Under great stress, are likely to make outrageously harsh and uncaringly selfish survival oriented decisions

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Now I imagine you're going to call out my source. That's fine, just don't be afraid to let me know your source for what it means to be "negative" Fe. Think negative Fe doesn't exist? again, let me know your source.

Fe is J, We know what J means. Judging! Raph judges! Not sure how people get "P" from Raph.

[brian1625]

I dunno i thought it was a waste of time since you think Fe and Te are the same thing.

Outside your straw-man characterization of my quote. Here's what I meant.

Carl Jung Quotes
"In precisely the same way as extraverted thinking strives to rid itself of subjective influences, extraverted feeling has also to undergo a certain process of differentiation, before it is finally denuded (stripped) of every subjective [p. 447] trimming."

"So far extraverted feeling is just as beneficent and rationally effective as extraverted thinking. But this salutary effect is lost as soon as the object gains an exaggerated influence. For, when this happens, extraverted feeling draws the personality too much into the object, i.e. the object assimilates the person, whereupon the personal character of the feeling, which constitutes its principal charm, is lost. Feeling then becomes cold, material, untrustworthy. It betrays a secret aim, or at least arouses the suspicion of it in an impartial observer. No longer does it make that welcome and refreshing impression the invariable accompaniment of genuine feeling; instead, one scents a pose or affectation, although the egocentric motive may be entirely unconscious."

I'll be waiting for your argument.

[9272]

Well, if you interpret the definition to mean what you claim it does it's no wonder you're confused, if you are confused.

I'm more than willing to back up any of my typings usually but here it just seems as though i'm spinning my wheels.

Care to discuss Bruce lee, naruto or INTJ typings? Even starwars...something that i've watched in the last 10 years perhaps.

But yea, seriously...hidden feelings that flow out intensely is Fi.

[brian1625]

Bruce Lee?

ISTP, he's a philosopher that seeks sensation (Traveling the world, Job switching, fighting the "man" as Ti's do.) he preaches living in the moment but sees how the world is connected. Jeet Kun Do is P. Thought does not disturb him so he clearly is not F. (He was a philosopher in School) He spends a lot of time alone, training, thinking, and formulating simple ideas to get a job done. Such as swiftly kicking someone in the shin as it is an effective method. He's not interested in tradition, his Ti broke down arts into their simplest form and he built a fighting style from that.

Why do you think you'd be spinning your wheels? I'm the P in this conversation.

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They also flow out of Fe when they are disturbed by Thinking.

Leo is a thinker, a Te, he lets it known what should be done. Raph may be disturbed because Leo isn't talking about Feelings, he's talking about thinking and Raph interprets that as not caring. Hystria is a possibility with Fe as well, especially when surrounded by mostly thinkers.

".....But nothing disturbs feeling so much as thinking. It is at once intelligible, therefore, that this type should repress thinking as much as possible." - Jung

[9272]

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Looks like i missed a response. If you post that argument there i will attack it.

Leo is a thinker, a Te, he lets it known what should be done. Raph may be disturbed because Leo isn't talking about Feelings, he's talking about thinking and Raph interprets that as not caring. Hystria is a possibility with Fe as well, especially when surrounded by mostly thinkers.

Yeah, leo is ESTJ probably. Raph being an INFP would explain why their struggle would be because their functions oppose because of priority but they are more similar than they would admit when upset. Raphs intense introverted feeling leads him to make harsh Te statements and actions,where is the evidence of Si dominance? Raph isn't focused on tradition or the establishment of rules but Leo is and is upset when Raph doesn't fall in line with his authority.

I haven't seen the movie in a very long time.

[Cacao]

Donatello is the best.

[brian1625]

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Looks like i missed a response. If you post that argument there i will attack it.



Yeah, leo is ESTJ probably. Raph being an INFP would explain why their struggle would be because their functions oppose because of priority but they are more similar than they would admit when upset. Raphs intense introverted feeling leads him to make harsh Te statements and actions,where is the evidence of Si dominance? Raph isn't focused on tradition or the establishment of rules but Leo is and is upset when Raph doesn't fall in line with his authority.

I haven't seen the movie in a very long time.

Fi makes some sense, but could you explain Raph's N?

The evidence of his Si dominance has been mentioned before. He's a Ninja, a traditional art it is the core of his being. His brothers and Splinter mean everything to him. When Splinter was kidnapped he took it the hardest. Him and Leo are the first to attack. Making the sacrifice for a good cause is core to who they are.

To put it simply, they are heroes and they are relied upon to save the day! They want to help others, not for a need to fulfill Ns need of a greater goal, like world domination, to rid the world of corporate greed, save the environment or rid the world of non-mutant flatscans. (as Magneto would put it) But that helping others is the means in of it self. S see's the object as a goal that has it's own reward. That is core to who they are. There's nothing complex about the Turtles ideals.

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Fi makes some sense, but could you explain Raph's N?


I concluded that he could only be an intuitive because he doesn't fit the profile of an ISFP whatsoever, not on paper or in real life. Could be, that Ne involves expansion in multiple directions and Fi Ne working together expands intense feelings in multiple directions, and a symbolic representation of this is where he seems to get jumped in both movies by many attackers.

Your supposed definition of Si makes no sense at all there...ninjas associated with dominant Si?Ninja isn't really traditional...maybe if he were a samurai. Caring about those close to you has NOTHING to do with Si.

There's nothing complex about the Turtles ideals.

This is really why it's not much fun discussing them, the characters don't develop and there isn't nearly the amount of depth or complexity as there is in a show such as naruto for example. It's not S vs N so much as it is just a show that was meant to be entertaining

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ISTJ and ISFJ have loyalty as a top trait, could you explain why that is?