Ignorance is bliss? [Archive]

xxvinjoexx

02-22-2008, 06:30 PM

vaguely dissatisfied

02-22-2008, 06:51 PM

The more I learn, the less I know.

Ignorance is only bliss to a mind that doesn't crave answers.

As for knowing why and soft touches............they each have their very important places.

xxvinjoexx

02-22-2008, 08:09 PM

The more I learn, the less I know.

Ignorance is only bliss to a mind that doesn't crave answers.

As for knowing why and soft touches............they each have their very important places.

Thank you for your Response :thumbsup:, Unfortunately, YOU did not answer the question.:thumbsdown:

lordrrr

02-22-2008, 08:09 PM

Ignorance is blindness not bliss.

Look at America.

Victor Tango

02-22-2008, 09:00 PM

Is Ignorance Bliss ??

Since Time is the only Cost that cannot be replenished, Whats more important, Knowing why the Universe IS, or The Soft touch of a Loved One ?

Well, if you're going to put it that way, knowing why the Universe is.

I mean, can you imagine how much money I'd make in the book and public speaking industries if I knew why the universe existed? :laugh:

Vic

xxvinjoexx

02-22-2008, 09:07 PM

Ignorance is blindness not bliss.

Look at America.

Cool, now were getting somewhere, :thumbsup: , Ok, so i take it your answer is NO, Awesome !! ;D .. Ok, and your explanation of why is " Look at America" Cool !! :cheesy: ........ ok, well, i do agree with you there , Ignorance as far as a whole is not good, I heard A new theory about the great pyramids from my friend a while back about the more advanced pyramids being built BEFORE the Less advanced ones. which makes sense, since somewhere about 1% or so, Know how to build a CPU from scratch. Any type of Population disaster/decrease, and we would be back in the stone age again trying to rebuild the things we see everyday..it does kinda make me sick to see someone who barely knows how to change a tire, but knows the difference between Aqua blue and Ocean Blue:huh:, anyway, Thank you lordrrr for your response.

vkut79

02-22-2008, 09:15 PM

"s Ignorance Bliss ??

I used to think the answer was "No". Today, almost all information about almost anything is at the tip of One's fingers. Free access to knowledge, all you can eat Buffet!!, the only cost is your Time. It seems the more Knowledge I gather, the more Questions that arise. Since Time is the only Cost that cannot be replenished, Whats more important, Knowing why the Universe IS, or The Soft touch of a Loved One ?"

Interesting point about time. For most people, ultimately its a balance between learning about the world and then using that knowledge to maximize simple/basic pleasures. Ignorance is only bliss when potential knowledge brings no satisfaction or pleasure. In my case, however, many kinds of potential knowledge bring satisfaction and pleasure when I acquire them through learning. Of course I need to enjoy simple pleasures as well, its a matter of finding balance for every individual.

If I were to go with a simple answer for myself, then no, ignorance is not bliss.

xxvinjoexx

02-22-2008, 09:23 PM

Well, if you're going to put it that way, knowing why the Universe is.

I mean, can you imagine how much money I'd make in the book and public speaking industries if I knew why the universe existed? :laugh:

Vic

Thats Very true Vic, One would make an A$$ load of money knowing why the universe IS...But you would be a very Busy Person all the time, the money would be Flowing like water, and you would have Hoe's to spare, But in the end, Love would be the only thing you didnt own :(

sonofone

02-22-2008, 09:36 PM

Ignorance is bliss when you can't do anything about it. Currently, I can't do much about the financial state of our country (USA, USA, USA!!!) and I'm not in a financial position (just graduated from college and I have some debt from that) to put myself in a place that is advantageous (ie. move extra cash to Gold or another currency, short stocks, buy bonds). This would be an example of Ignorance is bliss. But because of my OCD (not really... but yea... a lot) I can only worry.

Victor Tango

02-22-2008, 10:12 PM

Thats Very true Vic, One would make an A$$ load of money knowing why the universe IS...But you would be a very Busy Person all the time, the money would be Flowing like water, and you would have Hoe's to spare, But in the end, Love would be the only thing you didnt own :(

Wait...I can only have one or the other?

lordrrr

02-22-2008, 10:30 PM

Cool, now were getting somewhere, :thumbsup: , Ok, so i take it your answer is NO, Awesome !! ;D .. Ok, and your explanation of why is " Look at America" Cool !! :cheesy: ........ ok, well, i do agree with you there , Ignorance as far as a whole is not good, I heard A new theory about the great pyramids from my friend a while back about the more advanced pyramids being built BEFORE the Less advanced ones. which makes sense, since somewhere about 1% or so, Know how to build a CPU from scratch. Any type of Population disaster/decrease, and we would be back in the stone age again trying to rebuild the things we see everyday..it does kinda make me sick to see someone who barely knows how to change a tire, but knows the difference between Aqua blue and Ocean Blue:huh:, anyway, Thank you lordrrr for your response.

Yeah, no problem.

My main point is that the media greatly encourages people to ignore important issues, like the North American Union, the truth behind the war in Iraq, the foreign countries buying all of our real estate that will eventually butthurt us so much we'll have to beg on our knees to get our land back, and instead focus on looking hot, looking sexy, listening to the right music, etc. There are so many problems with America but nothing seems to be done because of lack of public outcry, and there is lack of public outcry because the media controls how people think and molds their opinions. Whenever I try to tell people about the truth, for instance, my belief that there is Extra-Terrestrial life, they immediatly pass me off as crazy and stupid because they want to live in their fantasy world of where everything is perfect, everything is plentiful, and the future is bright. It's absolute bullshit and I'm completely fed up with it. It's EXACTLY what Ray Bradbury predicted in the book Farenheit 451, which is why that book remains one of my all time faviorites as it teaches just how important books, human mind, and lack of ignorance/desire to know the truth really is. The same goes for any of his other books. I am a HUGE Ray Bradbury fan and next to Poe he is my faviorite author.

DeadSpace

02-22-2008, 10:31 PM

lordrrr

02-22-2008, 10:33 PM

ignorance is not bliss
stupidity is bliss
the ignorant can and do learn
stupidity is forever
the ignorant will take advantage of easily accessible information
the stupid will flock to the 'hot' thing of the month
when you're ignorant, you know there are things that you don't know
when you're stupid, you think you know everything

tis why i can't ever see ignorance as bliss...constant search to know more.
why i see stupidity as bliss, the only thing they search for is the next sensation.

What? Stupidity and ignorance are so related their almost synonyms. Ignorance is just when you know the truth but you refuse to believe it or dig deeper into the subject. Both stupid people AND ignorant people refuse to search to know more.

DeadSpace

02-22-2008, 10:44 PM

What? Stupidity and ignorance are so related their almost synonyms. Ignorance is just when you know the truth but you refuse to believe it or dig deeper into the subject. Both stupid people AND ignorant people refuse to search to know more.

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There is a rather clear difference, they are related only by people who don't know the definitions of the words in question.

xxvinjoexx

02-23-2008, 12:15 AM

Wait...I can only have one or the other?

Well, its not really a pick one or the other type option, its more like a percentage of how much time are your willing to invest in one or the other, Since Time is the only Cost that cannot be replenished .... 50% Love or 50% (money/job/ect., Basically you being Busy) if you split the two by 50% then theres a 50% chance in the end you " may/may not " have Someone who loves you/half the Knowledge of the Universe..........and when i say Love, im talking about your " one true love " which you may or may not have yet, i dont, but all in good time right!! :thumbsup: anyway, so now that we know the chain reaction that Knowledge causes, as in ( the more you know, the more questions there are, the more answers that need answering, thus, the more TIME that is required on answering these questions. So, it would really depend on your main objective you have in life, <Happiness, or Knowledge>
50/50 = half Happiness and Half Knowledge.....OK, im sure theres a couple of Ignorant people who are unhappy, theres always gotta be that ONE exception to everything.....But for the most part, Ignorance would be Bliss, because you wouldnt know anything else. would you say " adam and eve were ignorant?? " Until when?? until the apple of Knowledge was introduced by the good ol devil :laugh:.....hhmmmm.... Why would Knowledge mean the difference between the garden of eden, and what you see today ?? Im not all that religious my self, only because Knowledge and Religion dont mix very well, im finding it very difficult to believe theres a Being who we cant see,touch,ect who is watching over us, when our Ancestors a few years back, believed that the sun was carried across the sky by chariot, and that was as real to them as any god/thing you believe in. So to answer your question, There is no right or wrong answer, I only wanted yours and other INTJ's Thoughts on the subject.:thumbsup:

bubbles

02-23-2008, 12:36 AM

I agree that ignorance is bliss, but that entirely depends on what you are ignorant about. I used to watch TV, but I don't anymore. Being in the United States, all I see on television are biased news sources (of bad news), American pop culture, boring documentary, and other stuff that are not worth my time. I don't want to know that science is dominated by politics and not scientific objectivism. I don't want to know that I'm paying taxes so that my country can police the world and take freedom away from others. But being the intellectually curious person that I am, it is inevitable that I learn about things that I will be happier being ignorant about. I am certain that if I will be much happier if I live in an isolated town free from the troubles of modern life, even if that means I don't know what is happening around me.

I wouldn't be surprised if I am the only person on this [INTJ] forum who seriously thinks that ignorance is bliss. Feel free to debate and argue about this topic.

Colette

02-23-2008, 01:24 AM

when you're ignorant, you know there are things that you don't know
when you're stupid, you think you know everything

Yup. Being stupid is not knowing what you don't know. Being ignorant, is being on the path to finding out ;)

thod

02-23-2008, 05:38 AM

I would live to drink from the river Lethe. I was much happier as a child. Everything seemed possible and the world was full of wonder. Now the world is much grayer, there is only small alterations possible on the inevitable path to death.

Richard0612

02-23-2008, 06:39 AM

Ignorance may be bliss in that you don't have to worry about things, but then you are not prepared; when you do have to deal with those 'things' it will hit you like a neutron star to the face and you will not have a clue how to cope. I always think that the more knowledge you have, the better prepared you can be. You can never know too much. [Even if it does make you worry like hell and analyse everything!]

Example:
A good 60% of people at my high school believe that life is great with only their clique at school, that they don't need to worry about their post-school life [i.e. jobs, taxes, knowledge of business] and that they will find true love and everything will be wonderful. [Well that's a load of bull isn't it?] They are more concerned about who is going out with who, what clique they fit into and whether their hair looks nice.
Sure that may get you by in school, but if you have NO knowledge [some people don't know who the UK Prime Minister is!!] of the outside world you are going to fall flat on your face and go nowhere.
Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't be concerned with your social life in school, just that you should at least have a good idea of how the world works.

*off soapbox*

muguly

02-23-2008, 08:01 AM

Ignorance is bliss. The less you know, the less you can be held accountable for. Once you start learning and growing, you tend to yearn for more knowledge. The you are no longer ignorant, arrogant maybe, ignorant............nope. The soft touch of a loved one is better. When you are with someone you love, time seems endless and all that matters is then and now. The universe will be forever, the moment with that person is fleeting...enjoy it while it last.

OmegaPsi

02-24-2008, 12:26 AM

Is Ignorance Bliss ??

I used to think the answer was "No". Today, almost all information about almost anything is at the tip of One's fingers. Free access to knowledge, all you can eat Buffet!!, the only cost is your Time. It seems the more Knowledge I gather, the more Questions that arise. Since Time is the only Cost that cannot be replenished, Whats more important, Knowing why the Universe IS, or The Soft touch of a Loved One ?

Hmm, I've always found that expression very depressing, to be left in the dark about so many wonderful things, walking and staring at the cement and following behind someone in a line, while not noticing your surroundings. I would definitly take "Knowing why the Universe IS" over the latter, of course I might be biased because of my views on relationships. /shrug

Antares

02-24-2008, 07:58 AM

Is ignorance bliss? Well, for me, it can go both ways.

For example: I'd be happier if I don't acknowledge that I left my iPod somewhere in school last Friday and that it might be stolen by God knows who, and that I simply forget that it happened. In that sense, ignorance is bliss. But it cannot be denied that this sort of ignorance is in reality indulgence, and even I myself know thinking this way is not rational. Due to my need to be rational, I have internal conflicts, which undoes the 'bliss'. So as long as I don't know I'm being irrational, it's all good :) But alas. It doesn't happen this way. During most of my 'irrational' moments, I'm very aware of it, but even so, I allow myself to indulge.

vaguely dissatisfied

02-24-2008, 09:26 AM

Thank you for your Response :thumbsup:, Unfortunately, YOU did not answer the question.:thumbsdown:
O.K. I thought I did.

"Whats more important, Knowing why the Universe IS, or The Soft touch of a Loved One."
They are equally important and have a place of their own in each life.

How's that?

burazekun

02-24-2008, 07:34 PM

Ignorance is one of my most hated human traits. I can understand a certian level of ignorance, but one of the reasons I hate cities is because of the level of people that do live in the bliss of ignorance. Someone gets raped, no one pays attention, someone gets shot, people move away and overt their eyes so that they can continue on with their blissfully ignorant lives!

Ok rant asside. Ignorance is bliss, but it's not the only one. Bliss is another preception we give to ourselves, to explain to ourselves how a good life is left. Looking at another and saying "that is bliss" is only a preception, so saying ignorance is bliss to that individual may not register the same way to that individual.

I am personally a knowledge hunter. I locked myself up into my dads library only coming out for food and the bathroom use for about 8 months. I was young, about 15 or 16 and ended up loosing that soft touch of a special someone to look for answers.

But my definition of ignorant is diliberately avoiding the truth to better suite your curcumstances. With that definition, it comes out sounding like ignorance is bliss.

BloodofTheNorth

03-10-2008, 01:05 AM

Ignorance may be bliss, but it sure is pathetic.

Colette

03-10-2008, 01:48 AM

Ignorance may be bliss, but it sure is pathetic.

Just as a matter of interest, I'm not sure I see why knowledge acquisition should be held up as a value in and of itself (as distinct from, simply, a 'pastime').
Can you explain why those who are ignorant are 'pathetic'? What if a person simply isn't either interested in, or capable of, great knowledge - doesn't that person have a right to a seat on the bus also?

BloodofTheNorth

03-11-2008, 12:06 AM

Just as a matter of interest, I'm not sure I see why knowledge acquisition should be held up as a value in and of itself (as distinct from, simply, a 'pastime').
Can you explain why those who are ignorant are 'pathetic'? What if a person simply isn't either interested in, or capable of, great knowledge - doesn't that person have a right to a seat on the bus also?

It seems my previous post has magically vanished. Very well, then, I will answer your question. The phrase "ignorance is bliss" usually refers to one's preference to remain ignorant on whatever subject matter is being discussed. I have heard it used more often than not in this context. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that the majority of people use it in that very same context.

I suppose if someone wanted to remain ignorant then that is their choice. After all, the world does have need for garbage men, cashiers, and janitors.

deepFlow

03-11-2008, 12:41 AM

Ignorance is indeed bliss. And if that doesn't work, and some knowledge manages to weasel its way through anyway, try willful stupidity and the selective application of logics!

Colette

03-11-2008, 12:59 AM

It seems my previous post has magically vanished. Very well, then, I will answer your question. The phrase "ignorance is bliss" usually refers to one's preference to remain ignorant on whatever subject matter is being discussed. I have heard it used more often than not in this context. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that the majority of people use it in that very same context.

I suppose if someone wanted to remain ignorant then that is their choice. After all, the world does have need for garbage men, cashiers, and janitors.

That doesn't really answer the question as to why that choice is "pathetic" though, does it? Oh well.

vaguely dissatisfied

03-11-2008, 08:02 AM

Ignorance is indeed bliss. And if that doesn't work, and some knowledge manages to weasel its way through anyway, try willful stupidity and the selective application of logics!
There is no one more dangerous than someone with a little knowledge. Better to be ignorant.

gogurtdynasty

03-11-2008, 09:38 AM

Ignorance is only bliss to those who cant bare the answers. the only blissful thing i see within ignorance is the ability to have few limits upon your imagination

I'd rather be full of knowledge :)

Fergie

03-12-2008, 09:34 AM

Is Ignorance Bliss ??
If it is, why aren't more people happy? ;D

Colette

03-12-2008, 02:20 PM

If it is, why aren't more people happy? ;D

I actually think that generally speaking, the deeply ignorant seem happier than the deeply knowledgeable. Funny that; perhaps they worry less, because they can't see possibilities...

vkut79

03-12-2008, 02:44 PM

I actually think that generally speaking, the deeply ignorant seem happier than the deeply knowledgeable. Funny that; perhaps they worry less, because they can't see possibilities...

This is probably true. Is blissful happiness our only goal in life? If so, why are so many interested in gaining knowledge rather than basking in the bliss of ignorance? Is it because we feel that knowledge will lead to blissful happiness in the end, or some other reason? Is blissful happiness the only kind of happiness that we ought to pursue? Perhaps the meaning and nature of happiness ought to be reexamined.