View Full Version : What offends you?
biased
10-11-2007, 09:48 AM
I'll post my views later on but I'm curious to what offends you or what people have attempted to offend you with? What aspects of your personality or life in general do they attack? How do you generally react?
Firelie
10-11-2007, 11:03 AM
Not all that much is offensive to me. *
People don't usually try to offend me, ESPECIALLY not to my face (I've actually never had anyone say anything bad about me to my face before...I think it's because I'm hard to read and they're not sure how I'll react). *In the past people have responded negatively to personal ads I've posted, usually is something about me sounding negative, or that I sound selfish and *demanding. *I'm not really offended by those things, though, since I already know I am. *It's hardly offensive when people tell me things I already know about myself.
I sometimes take offense when people completely misconstrue things I say or write and spin it in such a way that I come out sounding like a bastard, but that doesn't really happen all that much since I usually cut people off and explain myself if I sense they're not getting it.
The thing I take greatest offense to, however, is when a person assumes things about me based on gender, race, etc. without actually speaking to me. (For instance, people have assumed I like shoe-shopping and purses because I am a woman...which is about as far from the truth as it can get.)
Evalind
10-11-2007, 01:49 PM
(For instance, people have assumed I like shoe-shopping and purses because I am a woman...which is about as far from the truth as it can get.)
I used to tell every guy I dated NOT to buy me flowers or jewelry.
I'm not sure I could pick out any specific thing that offends me right now. Maybe when people have incredibly incorrect facts and still push their point... :-?
Jbmontag
10-11-2007, 02:37 PM
(For instance, people have assumed I like shoe-shopping and purses because I am a woman...which is about as far from the truth as it can get.)
I used to tell every guy I dated NOT to buy me flowers or jewelry.
I'm not sure I could pick out any specific thing that offends me right now. Maybe when people have incredibly incorrect facts and still push their point... :-?
That's funny, I tell every woman I've ever dated I won't by flowers or jewelry. I've always thought them a superficial gestures.
Lying offends me. There is no need, I won't fault someone for honesty.
hopscotch
10-11-2007, 04:10 PM
Attacks on my intelligence, competence and integrity can be offensive but I usually just work harder to disprove the person who insulted me.
I agree with Firelie that sex- and gender-based assumptions can offend. Not all women want men to grovel at their feet and treat them as sex objects, nor do we all need to be plied with gifts and those special little 'gestures' that women are supposed to desire, even demand. My boyfriend's friend has said some misogynistic things that have grated on me and I've snapped back with my pointy words. This attitude is probably why he's in his mid 20s and has never been laid.
qwerty
10-11-2007, 06:43 PM
I don't know I guess the smallest things offend me if they are repeated over and over again. If I send a hint to someone that I'm annoyed about their behavior somehow and they don't get it then it becomes frustrating to be around them.
So it's less I'm offended and more that I'm frustrated with a person - I guess I'll hang onto it until I'm in a shitty mood then I'll hit them with it.
AntimonyLegault
10-11-2007, 08:36 PM
Bureaucracy. I hate it on all levels, when possible I use the law just to poke at it and bug the people who are a part of it, maybe unreasonably i'm not sure...
Max T
10-12-2007, 03:08 AM
Lying offends me. There is no need, I won't fault someone for honesty.
Same here JBMontag.
If someone lies, there are too many subsequent thoughts that flood the mind-
-why trick me?
-do they deceive themselves too?
-how many times has this happened undetected? (did they lie about xyz too?)
-should I behave as though unaware of the lie and so become part of their lie?
-where would their morals draw the line with lying?
-do I need to pre-qualify everything they say in the future?
... It suddenly becomes mentally laborious to keep in contact with that person.
On the flip side, being quite inept at subtle social niceties, I compensate by making damn sure I don't do bad social things within my control- i.e. avoiding being perceived as arrogant and never lying.
Similar to lying, grossly manipulating groups for your own personal agenda offends too.
I only really get offended when someone tries to talk down to me or tries to manipulate me. Once they do that the game is on and I'm going to win. No one really attacks my personal life once in a while my brother in law will give me shit and call me a pot head. Then I'll explain that I may enjoy cannabis, but even when high I'm still smarter than he'll ever be. He does it so he can try to look superior to me, but in the end he usually looks stupid.
Max T
10-12-2007, 07:16 AM
Then I'll explain that I may enjoy cannabis, but even when high I'm still smarter than he'll ever be.
Reminds me of a famous quote by the former British prime minster Winston Churchill.
Female politician- "Mr.Churchill you are unspeakably drunk!"
Churchill- "I may be drunk, but you are ugly... and tomorrow I'll be sober". ;D
TeleportThis
10-12-2007, 09:03 AM
Littering offends me. Lying offends me. People taking credit for my work or trying to manipulate me offends me.
Other than that, not much.
Firelie
10-12-2007, 02:04 PM
Ditto on the lying/manipulating (they're basically the same thing, imo).
Added on to that, I get offended when people lie with good intentions as well, especially when it's just to counter an observation I made about myself that they took to be self-hatred. This usually only occurs if I say something about being fat...then I get a chorus of "Oh, you're not fat!". I know people mean well, but I feel like they think I'm an idiot when they talk to me that way.
toonia
10-12-2007, 02:38 PM
Attempting to discuss something important with a person who dismisses alternate positions without considering them first can be frustrating. It's such a waste of time.
Overall it's rather difficult to offend me because everything a person encounters is an opportunity to analyze and learn. I tend to be fascinated by the way people think and perceive. As long as I keep it arm's length, then it can be close to impossible to offend me. If I am really tired, have had many days of stress, and then I encounter an arrogant attitude of dismissal, I can get a little cranky, but will recover.
I also get tired when people project their issues on me. "You look so nervous!" When I am about to fall asleep. I guess that is both fascinating and annoying.
Also, people who deliberately try to stir up emotional responses and irrational thinking really wear me out. I prefer people who stay focused on the topic.
OneBadMother
10-12-2007, 02:39 PM
I agree with the manipulation thing. Especially the malignant, out-to-destroy-your-life manipulation that is subtle enough that you can't even make a proper accusation. Anyone with the capacity for that is going to be shut out of my life.
"No, you're not ______" when I'm self-analyzing out loud is irritating. I'm not asking for sympathy, just trying to reach an understanding.
biased
10-12-2007, 06:45 PM
Once they do that the game is on and I'm going to win.
I lol'd hard because that's exactly how I think ;D
insincerity/lying/manipulation like others said is completely unacceptable.
qwerty
10-12-2007, 07:27 PM
Once they do that the game is on and I'm going to win.
I lol'd hard because that's exactly how I think ;D
insincerity/lying/manipulation like others said is completely unacceptable.
So what about manipulation for the greater good? Done in a way that fosters the person being manipulated for the better. Yeah I know who am I to think I'm better than them, but what if you show them multiple paths and let them take the steps themselves?
biased
10-12-2007, 08:08 PM
Once they do that the game is on and I'm going to win.
I lol'd hard because that's exactly how I think ;D
insincerity/lying/manipulation like others said is completely unacceptable.
So what about manipulation for the greater good? Done in a way that fosters the person being manipulated for the better. Yeah I know who am I to think I'm better than them, but what if you show them multiple paths and let them take the steps themselves?
Give me a few examples of where manipulation can be for the greater good. Manipulation is generally a selfish act.
Max T
10-13-2007, 03:46 AM
Once they do that the game is on and I'm going to win.
I lol'd hard because that's exactly how I think ;D
insincerity/lying/manipulation like others said is completely unacceptable.
So what about manipulation for the greater good? Done in a way that fosters the person being manipulated for the better. Yeah I know who am I to think I'm better than them, but what if you show them multiple paths and let them take the steps themselves?
Give me a few examples of where manipulation can be for the greater good. Manipulation is generally a selfish act.
Sure manipulation is generally a selfish act. * Turning it upside down, generosity is rarely done altruistically.
But I think there are more cases when group manipulation for the greater good is committed, than when one-on-one manipulation.
More cases because there's more scope for greater achivement when a group is directed (i.e. manipulated).
Examples of good group manipulation: teams in a sport, unions manipulating workers for better conditions, shareholders manipulated by co. directors for overall good... basically when objectives of both manipulator and manipulated are aligned.
It's when objectives aren't aligned between manipulator and manipulated that it can get offensive and, a bit like anul, I think "game on" against the manipulator.
This topic is close to the reason why I believe some people are more introverted.
Basically, it’s not because other people wear them out, it’s because the pathetic stupid worlds of the masses just make the INTJ just think that they'd rather be by themselves. (Also, being "I" allows the person to think for themselves and have freedom of thought, rather than being in a group mentality).
Also, people’s lack of honor also can make someone "I" if they believe it’s very important. I've ditched countless acquaintances on this basis alone.
In terms of being "offended", nothing really does (Normal things)... although most things seem to aggravate me :D
Iannus Quirinus
10-18-2007, 11:57 PM
I've just been offended yesterday. Was on an exam, and imo I had the knowledge to pass, but the guy failed me. Now that would not be much of a problem, if there wasn't the *way* he did it. He tried to kill my right logic with irrationality.
When I asked him what would his anwser be, he said the same thing as me, but in a slightly different way. Not to mention I explained the reason behind 10x better than him. Then he says I can't use backward logic to get to the conclusion!?! wtf!!! It dosen't matter which way I go, as long as it's correct and I get to the right anwser. And he made me repeat the same thing over and over again as if it was wrong. I just hate it.
I feel that as an attack on my person/logic. :(
puzzlemethis
10-19-2007, 12:49 AM
Lying offends me. There is no need, I won't fault someone for honesty. [/quote]
This is the first time using the "quote" I hope I have used it properly.
On a personal basis there is only one thing that REALLY offends me and that is lying. You can call me anything in the book but don't ever call me a liar. I have been known to get very creative when it comes deffending my honor. Of course there are lots of things I will react to but mostly to have fun with it.
vulcan
10-19-2007, 01:14 AM
heh
i'll toss another in the hat for dishonesty.
i don't care what you've done as long as long as you're honest about it. in fact, i might enjoy normally offensive things.
also disloyalty.
justthefacts
10-19-2007, 01:14 AM
Egotistical people *>:( .
deicruxified
10-19-2007, 01:30 AM
what offends me:
1. people interfering with my alone time - one of my pet peeves.
2. betrayal - any person who can't keep a promise especially when they are the ones who initiated you into a commitment. in some post i mentioned i rarely keep grudges. it only happened once and it is because of one person who was dear and special to me. i won't elaborate further.
3. people buying me - bribery... strange acts of generosity... so guys trying to date me and giving me flowers and stuff give me the creeps however if they wish to continue on giving me such stuff so be it but had them warned. coz sometimes they're gonna blurt everything they did for me as if that person just bought me like a piece of candy.
4. people interfering when i talk - especially if i had to speak my mind out in defense of something or someone and they would hit you with nonsensical and illogical stuff just to get out of the situation.
5. people who are late beyond 30 minutes - i find it as a sign of disrespect but i figured out how to handle such people whose brains are 3 hours delayed.
6. people setting rulels on me because i am a woman - i spawn into a feminazi when some guy imposes his chauvinistic rules on me. i.e. in my previous work, our shift is beyond business hours so we were permitted not to weare business attire anymore except for women because he said it doesn't suit well with us... you know what? i flipped and threatened to file a complaint (coz we had women's movement there). for crying out loud, we were going home 4am. it's not safe for us. *>:(
7. lying and gossipy people - nuff zed on gossips. as for lying, petty white lies can still be tolerated. for me, lying is also a form of betrayal to some extent.
vulcan
10-19-2007, 01:47 AM
speaking of people who are late...
holy shit one of my biggest pet peeves ever. it doesn't really offend me, but it is soooo annoying.
StJimmy
10-19-2007, 01:56 AM
i would say that i'm easy to irritate and very hard to offend. i usually don't let it get past the point of irritation.
chalk another up for disloyalty. the whole "fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me" trip. i cut people off immediately.
malicious lies are also deeply offensive.
predatory types who take advantage of other people. i relish squeezing their little egos.
and last but not least on the scale of offensive, people with pigheaded political beliefs, and religious hypocrites. the double whammy is that most hypocrites tend to be pigheaded. of course as long as it's not insistently shoved in my face i will respect an individual's unalienable right to be ignorant.
oh, and people who perpetually feel sorry for themselves. egad.
deicruxified
10-19-2007, 02:18 AM
oh, and people who perpetually feel sorry for themselves. *egad.
8. oh yes another one... just to get people's attention... i'm sick of them. got an emo infp friend, "how come i'm letting myself settle for things i don't deserve", "i'm a loser", ...
eck
9. people using their emotions to get people's side - just got this from an applicant i interviewed 2 weeks ago, "you have to hire me because i have all the other companies rejected me... blah blah she came from a broken family... blah blah" i failed her.
10. people who won't listen to your ideas because they want stuff done their way. then in the end, when everything's already f** up the steal your idea just to steer the situation.
vulcan
10-19-2007, 03:20 AM
oh man ... i fucking hate people who are staunch in their beliefs and never even examine another side. i'll fuck with them for fun. people say INTJs are like that, but I don't think so. I'll consider many views but there are only a few that make sense.
thegnat
10-19-2007, 06:27 AM
oh man ... i fucking hate people who are staunch in their beliefs and never even examine another side. i'll fuck with them for fun. people say INTJs are like that, but I don't think so. I'll consider many views but there are only a few that make sense.
Yeah I hate those too.
I'm not easily offended at all.
I'd say lying, disloyalty, and manipulation.
I really hate people who try to manipulate me. Especially the ones that try because they think "Oh she should be easy to manipulate because she's a quiet girl." ::shudders:: That's happened a couple times....Those really piss me off and end badly for the person who's trying to manipulate me.
orange
10-19-2007, 06:30 AM
1) Idiots.
2) Idiots making fun of the boyscouts in stupid ways. (I'm an eagle scout)
3) People unwilling to objectively look at a situation to see the truth.
4) people that do not use logic at all.
Natrushka
10-19-2007, 06:33 AM
Closed mindedness and indecision.
snoogit
10-19-2007, 07:27 AM
I only take offense to two things really; Hypocrites and Racists. The reasons behind finding something offensive though are probably different for me then it is for others.
If I'm offended at something, its either because they aren't being rational and haven't really thought out their position, or that they put a lot of emotion into something that doesn't need emotion put into it.
I never find myself being offended because something was gross, or from lewd behavior.
The Rose
10-19-2007, 08:26 AM
I used to be more touchy and easily offended than I am now. I was a lot more serious and took everything way too seriously, hence getting offended. Plus I have learned to laugh at myself.
But anyway - while there are lot's of things that annoy me, the one thing that is the most offensive to me is when someone insults my intelligence by being condescending to me, or when I say something is so, and they respond like I'm stupid.
I guess it must be because of the way I was treated as a child because no one else has mentioned it yet.
Oh! And being lied to and manipulated for somebody else's agenda.
1) Idiots.
2) Idiots making fun of the boyscouts in stupid ways. (I'm an eagle scout)
3) People unwilling to objectively look at a situation to see the truth.
4) people that do not use logic at all.
I think scouts as it is now is not the greatest, it once was. The mormons completely screwed up its true meaning .Who in there right mind would allow a freaking girl into boy scouts, is a complete moron. Thats like throwing meat into a lions den gesh. But i am happy to see some one else has made it to a eagle scout who is a intj.
generalowk
10-19-2007, 05:38 PM
I'll echo lots of the good ones already listed above:
Insincerity, dishonesty & disloyalty.
Selfish manipulation, condescending attitudes & patronizing me.
Bigotry, hypocrisy & closed-mindedness.
Bullshit, salespeople & a lot of advertising.
Being interrupted when speaking.
Lack of respect for me (or at least civility) and my privacy.
childofforest
10-20-2007, 12:24 PM
1. Manipulation of any kind, especially emotional acts to gain attention/sympathy/compassion/illogical consent towards their egoistic ideas
2. authoritarinism, especially of that without any capability or reason to gain authority
3. continuous bickering over one's difficulties along with rationalizing their faults and denouncing irresponsibilities of others (where one is responsible) - I see this also as a way to gain emotional consent, which I see as a kind of manipulation (an egoistic one)
4. wild fantasies and overly idealistic views - I tend to regard this as ignorance and very irresponsible, worthless of developing further (unless if it can be developed into an artistic one)
5. intentional rebelliousness - I totally respect those who rebel without shouting to the world about their rebelliousness whereas people who do not REALLY offend me. There are some people who ENJOY being rebellious (mostly INTPs???) and shouting to others that they are DIFFERENT and others are just STUPID. I see this as a 'harmony' of arrogance, hypocrisy, and folly.
6. judging people 'nice' and 'mean' - I never think somebody is totally nice or totally mean, because we can never know what they are thinking inside. Thus I think judging someone in this way is totally pointless.
7. inconsistency - this is the thing that offend me the MOST. I tend to get totally angry when I hear this constantly. Not only in logic, but also in other sorts of talks (of preference, of feelings, judgements, and so on) I can't stand but attack others towards their inconsistency of judgements!
Naokohiro
10-20-2007, 02:16 PM
Not much does offend me...
I do dislike liars and lieing, I guess that's something all INTJ's have in common. There's those people who lie all the time and see it as a way of life. (I don't get it. They're not really living...) I, on the other hand, never lie; I don't see it as part of my character.
Anyway, manipulation is messed up.
I don't like how people treat me like I'm immature, because of the way I talk or act. (I don't really talk that much sometimes...) But, I suppose people don't think like I do. They don't think about what is deep on the inside of a person's personality, but I guess it can't be helped...
toonia
10-20-2007, 04:24 PM
People who outright lie are pretty useless because they are a wild card. I'm not sure 'offend' is the right word, but I avoid people who blatantly lie. Inconsistency is also a big issue to me. It's not possible for me to get close to someone who is inconsistent. I can handle someone being negative towards me if they are consistent about it because then I can work out a strategy to adapt or avoid. I suppose if I had to choose one attribute that turns me away it would be inconsistency because that basically covers most other problems in dealing with people. For example, if someone is consistent about lying, then you can factor that in to choices involving them.
gwalchma
10-20-2007, 04:33 PM
...
But anyway - while there are lot's of things that annoy me, the one thing that is the most offensive to me is when someone insults my intelligence by being condescending to me, or when I say something is so, and they respond like I'm stupid..
I agree with you, The Rose.
There is nothing that gets to me like being patronized!
Manipulation comes in at a close second.
jtskinner
10-20-2007, 05:24 PM
Stupidity, religion, being referred to as stupid, team work, being controlled, rules/authority, people who act like school is summer camp, and people who shove religion down your throat. I really dislike people who think they know it all and refer to me as an idiot or below them or if they're the oppose and say it's okay I'm dumb and I hate smart people like yourself. I really am offended by compliments too, I'd rather just be left alone then eyeballed by people in slack-jawed wonder. I really hate bigotry, people who make up lies about themselves I just laugh at this though because it's so stupid, and I hate people who come off as Goody-two-shoe nice or who consider themselves "geniuses" because they get A's in school or say "wow my iq is 100, i'm the smartest persons around!". I also hate poor grammar that's just annoying. i dunno wat you sayin' wen u tkal liek tis.
Vayate
10-21-2007, 01:44 AM
Very few things will genuinely offend me. Being patronized is one, though I increasingly am able to shrug it off and counterattack with sarcasm. Other than that, it's abuse of women, children or the defenseless. Can't stand it.
FatalException
10-21-2007, 11:52 AM
I dont get mad easily, I only get angry when people dont make sense, when the complain to me about a problem daily, but do nothing about it, and when someone calls me stupid. That PISSES me off. Lying doesnt offend me at all, because you cant lie to me, I catch them just as quickly as the lie is stated.
deicruxified
10-21-2007, 09:44 PM
1) Idiots.
2) Idiots making fun of the boyscouts in stupid ways. (I'm an eagle scout)
3) People unwilling to objectively look at a situation to see the truth.
4) people that do not use logic at all.
i learned my knot tying skills from a boy scout friend of mine. i find them kewl
Tsuru
10-22-2007, 12:54 AM
People who don't respect my personal space, privacy, ect. Negligent rudeness (basically, people making disruptions like noise, or putting people at risk, ect, and not bothering to be aware of it). Violence is a pet peeve also.
Other than that I try to just ignore people that are yucky. I don't get as offended by the foibles of human psychology like I may have when I was younger. I think I've become too jaded to put energy into any rage towards that. :P
I tend to get angry with machines that don't work moreso than people because THOSE are supposed to be logical, hehe. ;)
curse10
10-26-2007, 09:20 AM
Two things. Ignorance and selfishness. They often go hand in hand. (And ignorance comes in many fashions- people who refuse to acknowledge certain facts because said fact would make them sad or uncomfortable; racists; bigots; misogynists- to name a few)
cielo market
10-26-2007, 12:35 PM
Extroverts who call Introverts "emo" >:(
Being lied to doesn't make me angry, it jusy makes me pity and resent the saddo who feels that they have to tel me something untrue.
However...... being called a liar, even jokingly, is about the only thing that really winds me up. I find even the implication highly offensive and a blatant attack on my character.
I do not lie to or for anybody - it has been said before on this thread - there is no need.
xtremegeek
10-26-2007, 02:23 PM
Lying used to offend me. But I finally asked myself, why do these people feel the need to lie to me? What am I doing that makes them think lying to me would be better than telling the truth? I've come to the conclusion that my ISTJ personality is too intimidating for some people. Now it doesn't offend me, rather it enlightens me.
Now, I'm usually only offended by people who pick on the marginalized in society.
deicruxified
10-26-2007, 08:01 PM
Extroverts who call Introverts "emo" *>:(
agree!!
logan235711
10-26-2007, 10:25 PM
i'm not too sure, maybe when someone is hurting someone who cannot put up any resistance or maybe someone who takes their anger/feelings out on innocent bystanders? umm, maybe when someone is purposefully wasting someone else's time? i might be able to think of lots of things, but whether I agree that they might offend me might be different at the end of the day : )
Panthera
10-27-2007, 02:57 PM
Any type of fakeness in people.
Lateness. this is pure disrespect for my time.
Interrupting me when I am trying to say something.
AntimonyLegault
10-27-2007, 03:39 PM
Nothing, just demographics of ignorance. That being said I dislike zealous types, or those who cling to an idea like a tree in a hurricane.
BloozeGit
10-28-2007, 03:24 AM
1) I tend to give the benefit of doubt when people are genuinely in need, but when they start to take advantage of me or use me as a crutch without helping themselves out of the rut then I get offended.
2) People whose vocal cords work overtime, often independently of their neural functions.
3) Blind ignorance to one's own shortcomings or mistakes, even when presented on a silver platter to their face.
4) Impunctuality, but then again in this age of instant communication everyone seems to have lost all will to be punctual, so I'd go stark raving mad if I were to be anal about it. Live and let live. 8-)
5) Fakes/poseurs. This pretty much rules out all clubbing venues for me, which has shaped my social circle (for better or worse).
6) Techno. Ditto.
thegnat
10-28-2007, 08:38 AM
People who don't believe that global warming matters because it doesn't affect them.
I'm shutting up right now so I don't go off.
BlackMita
10-28-2007, 01:24 PM
I'm offended when I'm told to change my ways by someone who has no intention of changing theirs. Like, when someone says "Control your anger" and continues on doing all the things that provoke my anger.
cielo market
10-28-2007, 01:41 PM
I'm offended when I'm told to change my ways by someone who has no intention of changing theirs. Like, when someone says "Control your anger" and continues on doing all the things that provoke my anger.
Yes! It's called the reformed smoker attitude. Those who suffer(ed) from the same flaws are the worst critics. lousy hypocrites.
TruorTupnm
10-29-2007, 01:43 AM
I am not offended by much. Can easily ignore or pity. Or am merely annoyed. How's about ---> Ignoring attempts to make a point. I can tolerate being interrupted. Some people just feel that they have to get their points out before I get too far, I guess. Sometimes that's useful. But when they keep adding stuff, I can't get my first point out, they're giving me lots more material to respond to, they'll just keep interrupting and adding more stuff as I attempt to blurt points out, and I oftimes even halt the conversation to tell them that they are creating these problems, I am offended. Garn, yo. Can I just walk outside and write my points down, then hand them to you? Hm? Would that be more helpful? Is that what you wish for me to do, but you merely didn't feel like asking? Or *gasp!* could you shut up and take a breath? Argh. Um, how's about ---> Closed-mindedness. What's with all of the people offended by lies as well as manipulation? Sure, if it was something superly series, but everyday stuff is not such a large deal. Easily ignored, information to be stored. As a matter of course, though, betrayal is an act composed primarily of large gobs of pure evil.
Nomad
10-29-2007, 09:27 PM
I can forgive ignorance, because it usually stems from a lack of quality information. I can forgive stupidity, because it can't be helped and it can't be fixed ( and we all do stupid things sometimes). I am offended when my opposition is incompetent. A few years ago, after a few drinks, a colleague once said to me; "Do you know why you are so scary? Because you get pissed off when someone tries to kill you and they botch the job."
If you can't play with the pros, get off the field.
-Nomad
Figmentum
10-30-2007, 03:32 PM
People who take stereotypes eintirely too seriously. I respond with my innate ability to make them feel somewhat... less than happy?
ThrowerMatt
01-17-2008, 01:59 PM
I get offended when people insult my intelligence, or call me lazy. Those to things infuriate me.
Melotch
01-17-2008, 03:14 PM
I don't get offended that often, and when I do, I get out of the situation in a hurry.
The biggest thing, though, are people who are not only too angry to listen, but are too angry to shut up. There's just no excuse for that.
While not necessarily offensive, I find people who use me without any consideration for my time to be unendingly annoying. I don't like to be pushy or to invite apology, but there's no way I'll deal with people like that often if I can avoid it.
ElGuyay
01-17-2008, 03:30 PM
Things I hear the most:
-"You hate positive people!"
-"Cheer up"
-"So, do you smile?"
-"Calm down!"
-"Quit mean-muggin me!"
-"How do you eat so much?"
I'm fucking hungry, I can't help it.
Antares
01-17-2008, 03:54 PM
I don't think I'm easily offended, because I merely pity some people, but I can be VERY annoyed with:
-People who do not admit their faults, even when they know that they're wrong.
-People making excuses
-People LATE. It's not my time issues. Honestly. I have loads of time. It's just that they can't even fulfill something that we've agreed upon and failed to honor that agreement (which shows how much promises and agreements mean to him/her. Usually, I take it as disrespect), and for making me waiti like an idiot, sometimes for a non-existent meeting that they promptly forgot about :thumbsdown:
-Liars (not for a good purpose)
-People who always think that they're 'right' when I explained, in a debate, step by step as to why he/she is wrong using the most objective arguments I can come up with. They simply reply: It's just not like that.
-People who think I'm incompetent. That really sets me off. I remember this time when a girl thought I'd be a bad leader in the group and took things into her own hands. We screwed up really bad, but I let it go because I was really pissed.
-People who can't stop finding ways to praise/advertise themselves.
-People who get emotional in debates because they don't have discipline over their own mind, even when the points of the opposition are clearly polite and contain no hint of meaning offence.
I pity those who are afraid to hear my criticism because they're almost always (I won't say always, because I might be wrong, but I base them on strict observation) accurate and they realise their faults even before I criticize, but they are afraid to face them because they know exactly what I'm getting at and they don't like it. They'd rather live in ignorance than to confront some of their biggest vices.
1OFMANY
01-17-2008, 04:50 PM
People assuming that because I am in the military and served in Iraq that I worship George Bush. Not that I get offended, but the way people go about "trying" to insult me makes me think about stabbing them in their face with a bic pen.
For the record I have voted once in my life and it was for Ralph Nader to protest the 2 party lock on the primary. Just cause I am socially and fiscally "conservative" thinking doesnt make me a neo-con damn it !! LOL
People who can't stop finding ways to praise/advertise themselves.
thats a good one too.
dobbin
01-17-2008, 04:54 PM
Haven't had the chance to read the whole thread, but there is very little that offends me. Having said that, abuse of the 'innocent' and 'good' is my upmost. Naturally my definition of 'innocent' and 'good' will differ from most, especially 'good'.
Secondly and somewhat relatedly it would be selfishness which from my experience encompasses many of the other issues raised previously, but admittedly is a bit vague, but I'm just trying to integrate theory and practicality into my New World Order!
WavesSootheMe
01-17-2008, 08:18 PM
Based on my sense of the words, I'd have to agree that I am more often frustrated than offended. "Frustrated" implies that you are disappointed, whereas "offended" implies anger or resentment.
I am most often frustrated by being told to stop being antisocial (especially after spending an entire week trapped with no alone time or on the job when my job is to work with kids and not socialize with adults) and by lack of consideration, which leads to misunderstandings, false judgments about me, and actions that may later offend me.
I, as others, am offended by lying and neglecting to tell the truth as one knows it.
I suppose the difference here is awareness. If I feel that someone is unaware of something and that they did not have ample opportunity to become aware of that thing, then I will be frustrated not offended. If they should be aware, had the opportunities to become aware and did not take them or if there is intent, then I take offense. All of this is in reference to actions. I can't think of a time that words did anything more than frustrate me.
David
01-17-2008, 08:57 PM
Hateful and evil people offend me. I am disappointed that the world continues to become increasingly angry with increased war and violence. I try to not offend people, but sometimes it is challenge.
Colette
01-17-2008, 09:00 PM
I'll post my views later on but I'm curious to what offends you or what people have attempted to offend you with? What aspects of your personality or life in general do they attack? How do you generally react?
I'm not going to expand or analyze at the moment, so here's just a list of a few that bother me:
Rudeness
Arrogance
Closed mindedness
Superficiality/lack of authenticity
BO and other nasty personal habits
Wilful ignorance or stupidity (i.e. ignorance and unwillingness to find out)
Control freaks and people who condescend and patronize
Loud people and overtalkers
Heck, I guess lots of behaviour offends me - maybe this is why I interact with only a small group of people :)
Pinkie
01-18-2008, 04:21 AM
I think I'm almost impossible to offend, but I do get annoyed quite easily. I hate lateness (I wait for five minutes, unless I get an explanatory call, and then I go - mostly it's just rude and disrespectful - it's like saying 'You aren't worth my time and effort, so I'll show up when I feel like it), and I hate people who treat me like I'm an imbecile when I actually know perfectly well what I'm talking about. My pet hate is hypocrisy. I just can't excuse that.
xhaan
01-18-2008, 04:33 AM
I'll post my views later on but I'm curious to what offends you or what people have attempted to offend you with? What aspects of your personality or life in general do they attack? How do you generally react?
Hmm. What offends me...
Stylized, faux ignorance, or other such airs.
Like acting 'tough' because it's thought to be 'cool', absurd cynicism, making an ass of oneself to be popular among other asses, bandwagoning, it goes on.
Zilal
01-18-2008, 11:34 AM
I'm hard to offend... some of the most awful stuff just gets me laughing... but the last time I was offended, hm, was when a friend was running his mouth off stupidly about how child molesters must have enjoyed being abused when they were kids, to want to do that to someone else. I was just like... whoa, dude.
Jgib5328
01-18-2008, 02:38 PM
Anyone questioning my competency, my ability, my hard work, or my integrity. I am also offended by lowly acts such as deceit.
Bossy Mom
01-19-2008, 08:45 AM
People who use foul language; they are offensive, lazy and stupid. And those who wear t-shirts that say offensive things.
People who are rude - they bump into me in the stores and don't even say "Excuse me."
People who are late (that is also rude).
People who expect me to pay for their favorite charities by using the brute force of government. I volunteer for organ donation and am a blood donor, but would never expect anyone to be forced to support these causes.
As Jgib5328, anyone who questions my integrity. THERE is one HOT button!
Colette
01-19-2008, 09:18 AM
absurd cynicism
When does cynicism become 'absurd'?
*wonders whether she has already reached the absurdity threshold*
Things I hear the most:
-"You hate positive people!"
-"Cheer up"
-"So, do you smile?"
-"Calm down!"
-"Quit mean-muggin me!"
-"How do you eat so much?"
I'm fucking hungry, I can't help it.
I fully agree with the "do you smile". A large number of people assume that if you are not smiling you are angry at someone or something, I don't normally smile unless there is something specifically worth smiling about at that moment. I have tried in the past to smile just to shut them up but it always looks so forced that I catch even more grief.
Provoker
01-21-2008, 01:58 AM
1. Manipulation, lying, flattery, salesman-talk. They often come in a bundle. I have no time for people that do this.
2. When one questions my judgement. It's an insult.
3. When one talks..then shuts their ears off..then talks...and then again shuts their ears off. In short, people who only want to preach their two cense worth without genuinely listening to you.
4. It pisses me off when people (who know I'm very intellectual/philosophical) try to intellectualize around me in vain. Maybe there's a businessman two tables over and they decide to try and impress him or her by using me as a means to facillitate good conversation. If I pick up on this, I will intellectually paralyze them to teach them not to do it in vain (for the image it brings), as well as with the hope of embarassing them in front of the guy they were trying to impress. Other times, I go along with it to make the third party feel insecure if I think they are cocky. Then I will up the ante to make the third party (who is presumably eavesdropping feel insecure or feckless).
5. Any sort of disrespect, uncleanliness, foul smells emenating from people in my presence, is highly offensive and intolerable.
Uytuun
01-21-2008, 10:47 AM
i would say that i'm easy to irritate and very hard to offend.
Second that. I guess that lying and patronising would be the main offenders.
RoqueBear
01-21-2008, 03:34 PM
Above all, ignorance.
Caramel
01-21-2008, 03:43 PM
Why does ignorance offend you? I can imagine that it irritates you, but why offend? (since it isn't personal.)
I get offended when people question my intelligence and judgement. Or when I take the time to explain a theory/idea to someone and the person then simply ignores the value of it. Same with giving advice; you see something happening, unfolding, you say something about it, try to stop disaster from striking..and everone ignores your warning. It's like talking to a wall.
Provoker
01-21-2008, 08:55 PM
Agreed.
Being offended by ignorance is like being offended by someone smaller than you, or slower than you. In the real world, some are smarter, some are faster, some are stronger. If everyone has an IQ of 180 then having an IQ of 180 ceases to be valuable. For this reason, ignorant people do not offend me because I see their existence as a necessary.
terencec
01-21-2008, 09:35 PM
Agreed.
Being offended by ignorance is like being offended by someone smaller than you, or slower than you. In the real world, some are smarter, some are faster, some are stronger. If everyone has an IQ of 180 then having an IQ of 180 ceases to be valuable. For this reason, ignorant people do not offend me because I see their existence as a necessary.
That is true if I don't need to deal with the ignorant and I can just ignore him/her. If I have to work with the ignorant, it will be very pain!
Recently someone asked me why we pushed a "xyz" button on the software, "he/she thought" it caused the computer corrupted. I replied that we need "xyz" function so we pushed the button, I did not think it would cause problems since I used it a few times before without problems (The button is supposed to do "xyz" function only). He/she said we should not push the button because he/she never used it before. At this point, I really didn't know what to say and was silent to avoid any conflict or problem! I guess I should never push "Create new document" in MS word if he/she never used it before. Otherwise, I will be the problem.
RoqueBear
01-21-2008, 10:37 PM
Why does ignorance offend you? I can imagine that it irritates you, but why offend? (since it isn't personal.)
I guess maybe to be more specific. In general, ignorance is fine. I guess in all honestly, I don't mind slipping something past someone who chooses to remain ignorant. Maybe it sounds deceitful, but I do have apathy for people who are not willing to think and challenge ideas.
On the other hand. When I'm faced with ignorance or someone else's ignorance directly effects me, thats when I'm offended. If a solution to a problem that I'm dealing with presents itself, but someone in charge turns a blind eye or can't understand it, thats when I'm offended. I realize that not all solutions can be easy answers, but being ignorant for the sake of remaining in a pretend bliss gets my crank going. I realize that not everyone is at the same level of intelligence. If someone doesn't understand because they can't is different than someone who won't. Like taking a bottle of knowledge and pouring it into a shot glass, it will spill.
It kinda goes into things like, "bumper sticker philosophy", broad generalizations, or Ad hominems to back up an argument/fact.:thumbsdown:
hfortenberry
01-22-2008, 03:06 AM
When I asked him what would his anwser be, he said the same thing as me, but in a slightly different way. Not to mention I explained the reason behind 10x better than him. Then he says I can't use backward logic to get to the conclusion!?! wtf!!! It dosen't matter which way I go, as long as it's correct and I get to the right anwser. And he made me repeat the same thing over and over again as if it was wrong. I just hate it.
I feel that as an attack on my person/logic. :(
YES! This happens between my mother and I a lot. We would argue about something and then, 30 minutes later, we would realize that we were really in agreement, saying essentially the same thing, but just coming at a thought from opposite sides. I approach math problems from a different angle than other people too.
My pet peave is when my awesome ideas are ignored, only for another person to suddenly offer up my ideas (like in work meetings) as their own. I don't bother taking credit because it is too difficult to explain.
I also get really bored listening to people discuss other people. That is so boring to me. I would much rather talk about ideas. I guess I don't get offended per se. Boy, I sure do get annoyed with people a lot though, secretly thinking that many people are idiots. This is terrible and I have not shared this thought with anyone before (except for my spouse). I feel so judgmental, but I can't help it.
Colette
01-22-2008, 03:26 AM
4. It pisses me off when people (who know I'm very intellectual/philosophical) try to intellectualize around me in vain. Maybe there's a businessman two tables over and they decide to try and impress him or her by using me as a means to facillitate good conversation. If I pick up on this, I will intellectually paralyze them to teach them not to do it in vain (for the image it brings), as well as with the hope of embarassing them in front of the guy they were trying to impress. Other times, I go along with it to make the third party feel insecure if I think they are cocky. Then I will up the ante to make the third party (who is presumably eavesdropping feel insecure or feckless).
Oh yes this is entirely understandable. They should be smart enough to realize that you're the only true intellectual in the stadium. The others should just go back to their mole-holes ;)
sarahintj
01-23-2008, 07:33 PM
1. Liars
2. Jokes
3. Bad manners
4. double standards
5. assumption
DeadSpace
01-24-2008, 06:02 PM
1.Cruelty of any kind towards humans/animals
2.Dishonesty, nothing worse than bad information, waste of my time
3.Being accused of dishonesty: That is the one thing that will provoke me enough to violence, never going to waste my time and energy lying to someone, i don't get how so many people do it all the time...just wasted time, energy, and life. Tell the truth, get it over with, done deal.
4.People who know everything...and can't admit that they don't, which always leads to them lying.
5.Microsoft...for making Vista (WinME's stepchild)
kinda dangerous thread, start thinking about what offends me...which starts up internal scenerios sims where i could be offended...actually get angry, why MS is number 5;D breaks the scenerios
WavesSootheMe
01-24-2008, 07:23 PM
1. Liars
2. Jokes
3. Bad manners
4. double standards
5. assumption
Ugh, conscious double standards should absolutely be added to my list!
snoogit
01-24-2008, 08:09 PM
1. Insulting my intelligence
2. Racism
3. Being cruel to others
4. Bad manners when company is over.
5. Useless Violence
There are some things that most people find offensive though that I couldn't give a crap about. Stuff like unintended profanity, or nudity in film doesn't bother me. But I know some people who think that if a guy has a brick hit his toe, and theres an eight year old around he better not swear, or hes going to get yelled at...
Actually the person who gets uppity about stuff like that offends me to, I just can't put a name to what that is right now...
Wapiti
01-24-2008, 10:43 PM
I've thought about this thread a bit over the past few days. I don't think there is much that offends me - to offend me, you would have to be someone that I felt worthy of offending me. There are very few that are worthy. Only if you are deemed worthy may you offend me, otherwise I don't give a rats a$$ what you think.
Provoker
01-25-2008, 12:23 AM
I've thought about this thread a bit over the past few days. I don't think there is much that offends me - to offend me, you would have to be someone that I felt worthy of offending me. There are very few that are worthy. Only if you are deemed worthy may you offend me, otherwise I don't give a rats a$$ what you think.
I like this. It's very Nietzschean. Nice.
blueeyedsusan
02-05-2008, 10:05 AM
Ignorance offends me. Ignorance is having the ability to understand but refusing to understand. Stupid people cannot help it.
Yaotl
02-05-2008, 08:53 PM
Personally I have never been offended, or I forgot it. Anyhow nothing really can offend me and I see it as a weakness to be easily offended.
Ignorance, in its many forms, is the main thing that offends me. Little to nothing else even bothers me.
Provoker
02-05-2008, 11:59 PM
When I was six years old I tool myself no human word would ever reach me. I've been aloof ever since.
Windmill
02-06-2008, 01:41 AM
Er I dunno, I don't tend to get offended.
The only time I get offended, is when I'm treated as an idiot for believing in Creationism, and any sort of intolerance towards my religious beliefs.
WTFudge. In New Zealand it is very, very rampant. Its an atheistic country. Thats OK, I don't bug others about what they believe and treat them badly because of it, why can't they do the same to me? TOLERANCE people, TOLERANCE.
But I agree with others I get IRRITATED. Quite easily.
Kotetsu
02-06-2008, 03:56 AM
- Fakeness, of various forms.
- Failure to act when a person's moral code would suggest they should.
I'm far from exempt from those things, as hard as I try to be.
Beery Swine
05-12-2008, 11:13 PM
I use the word nigger whenever I recite a line from Pulp Fiction or tell a joke that requires its use or just because I feel like saying it, but every time I here another white person say I get offended, even if I know the person isn't racist in the slightest. Matter of fact, I use nearly every racial slur I've ever heard occasionally, but the only ones that don't offend me when someone else says them are the white ones like peckerwood. And honky and cracker invariably make me laugh.
I bet this is the strangest reply so far.
Unless I'm being directly affected by something, like someone cuts me out of a job because of false assumptions, I'm hard to offend.
I once listened to an unbalanced woman rail at me for maybe 15 minutes about what she saw as my flaws while I tried to inch toward the door of the small office we were in (because she was deranged and I was actually worried she'd attack me physically). Even as I inched, I listened to her and thought her rantings through and saw that there was some truth amid her overwhelming madness. Shrug. I'm imperfect and I know it. ... I tend to look for the value / truth in things. If someone calls me stupid and I'm not, I don't take offense, because it's not true, so why get riled? It would be like them calling me a bunny rabbit. I know I'm not a bunny rabbit, shrug.
There are situations / people that I don't have patience for, but they don't offend me.
Genuine
05-12-2008, 11:33 PM
I would get offended if they physically harm me. With a knife, with a fist, or some sort of weapon. If I could hit them back, I would, but I would think about running away first.
Vivid
05-13-2008, 12:52 AM
People don't generally have a reason to attack me. But I'm offended by the word 'bunny' in reference to rabbits. It's patronizing.
Nameless
05-13-2008, 12:56 AM
My biggest offense is people who DON'T RECYCLE. I'll probably turn into the devil and take everyone out if people keep being lazy and inefficient. How hard is it to put paper in the blue bin? We don't even have to sort our recycling here into different numbers/types, so people already have it easy. If you don't recycle, you shouldn't be allowed to use any recyclable materials. You're only taking and not giving back.
Also people who don't produce high quality work or don't trust me when I know I'm right (not being narcissistic, but I do know about certain subjects and I don't need people doubting my skills. If I was unsure about something in the first place, I wouldn't be giving you advice or helping you!)
When people buy me things I didn't ask for. If it isn't EXACTLY what I want, don't waste your money and make me upset in the process! I accept no imitations.
Rules that make no sense and yet are enforced, like avatar rules.
azelismia
05-13-2008, 12:59 AM
I am offended by cheap wine.
Nameless
05-13-2008, 01:03 AM
I am offended by cheap wine.
Kind of off topic, but is that a joke? I found this extremely funny when I read it.
Aronnax
05-13-2008, 01:04 AM
Like petty complaints or $2 chuck?
azelismia
05-13-2008, 01:16 AM
Like petty complaints or $2 chuck?
never heard of petty complaints, but 2buck chuck I think could be defined as a murder weapon in some states...
Nameless, I'll leave it to you to decide...
People don't generally have a reason to attack me. But I'm offended by the word 'bunny' in reference to rabbits. It's patronizing.
Yeah, I'm always offending -- bunny rabbits, people. Shrug. Too bad for the people and the bunnies. ;)
quest ion
05-13-2008, 06:08 AM
People who use direct insults like calling others stupid. Or labelling me as emo when I'm just thinking about something...being simply reflective or quiet.
vaguely dissatisfied
05-13-2008, 11:33 AM
I'm offended by disrespect.
vaguely dissatisfied added to this post, 2 minutes and 6 seconds later...
I use the word nigger whenever I recite a line from Pulp Fiction or tell a joke that requires its use or just because I feel like saying it, but every time I here another white person say I get offended, even if I know the person isn't racist in the slightest. Matter of fact, I use nearly every racial slur I've ever heard occasionally, but the only ones that don't offend me when someone else says them are the white ones like peckerwood. And honky and cracker invariably make me laugh.
I bet this is the strangest reply so far.
I cringe when I hear the 'N' word.
malefide
05-13-2008, 05:02 PM
Intentional cruelty and malice.
Betrayal, disloyalty, manipulation, dishonesty.
People who do not even want to attempt to use logic.
lambpox
05-13-2008, 05:19 PM
I'm offended by:
Animal cruelty/leather/etc.
Lying
Blatantly assuming that I'm apart of a certain religion just because I am Iranian (:|)
Hypocrisy
People who reject logic and evidence when it's in their face.
When people assume things! ARRGH.
errrzarrr
05-13-2008, 05:41 PM
-Betrayal
-Unnecesary lies
-Somebody that is supposed to be a friend/reliable that is trying to get advantage of me.
-People that speak loud to me
errrzarrr added to this post, 7 minutes and 27 seconds later...
Er I dunno, I don't tend to get offended.
The only time I get offended, is when I'm treated as an idiot for believing in Creationism, and any sort of intolerance towards my religious beliefs.
WTFudge. In New Zealand it is very, very rampant. Its an atheistic country. Thats OK, I don't bug others about what they believe and treat them badly because of it, why can't they do the same to me? TOLERANCE people, TOLERANCE.
But I agree with others I get IRRITATED. Quite easily. Creationism! Oh, well what to say. You should come here (to occident mainly to latin america) and you will be a king just for believing in that shi*, ehm, shinning idea. And almost all of us go to that marvel atheist country.
If you think you get offended for believing in that, then you should see what happens in this side of the lake. Dumb religious people pushing their ideas in themes that they know (and unwilling to know) NOTHING!
TheLastMohican
05-13-2008, 06:26 PM
I am offended by people who go around complaining that they are offended, and demanding that they have some "right to not be offended."
It's a free country, people. If you find something offensive, stay away from it.
errrzarrr
05-13-2008, 06:35 PM
One thing is a free country. Another thing is a wacko country.
And among complaining types we, INTJs, are the less that complain. We don't even whine. :/
azelismia
05-13-2008, 07:59 PM
I am offended by people who go around complaining that they are offended, and demanding that they have some "right to not be offended."
It's a free country, people. If you find something offensive, stay away from it.
that offends me
TheLastMohican
05-13-2008, 08:04 PM
One thing is a free country. Another thing is a wacko country.
And among complaining types we, INTJs, are the less that complain. We don't even whine. :/
Admittedly most countries are wacko. Culture is wacko. The world is wacko. And the wacko people are the ones who tend to complain that the non-wacko people are offensive.
Not to make any generalizations, of course. :p
that offends me
Are you agreeing with me or saying that my post offends you?
azelismia
05-13-2008, 08:15 PM
Admittedly most countries are wacko. Culture is wacko. The world is wacko. And the wacko people are the ones who tend to complain that the non-wacko people are offensive.
Not to make any generalizations, of course. :p
Are you agreeing with me or saying that my post offends you?
what do you think I am saying?
TheLastMohican
05-13-2008, 08:25 PM
what do you think I am saying?
I don't know. That's why I asked.
It depends on what you mean by "that."
Those who can be offended deserve to be, because they are asking for it.
NT motto: nothing personal.
You choose what you are offended by. Then people just troll around offending you because you let yourself be offended. Therefore the people that allow themselves to be offended are the cause of the trolls annoying behavior.
TheLastMohican
05-13-2008, 08:31 PM
Those who can be offended deserve to be, because they are asking for it.
NT motto: nothing personal.
You choose what you are offended by. Then people just troll around offending you because you let yourself be offended. Therefore the people that allow themselves to be offended are the cause of the trolls annoying behavior.
*High five* I think you just offended 99.2% of the population.
*High five* I think you just offended 99.2% of the population.
;D Good. I hope they learned a lesson, but I'm confidant they didn't.
azelismia
05-13-2008, 08:39 PM
I don't know. That's why I asked.
It depends on what you mean by "that."
I am even more offended that you don't know what "THAT" means.
Aronnax
05-13-2008, 08:43 PM
Recursive jokes offend me.
Dang, I just offended myself.
TheLastMohican
05-13-2008, 08:48 PM
I am even more offended that you don't know what "THAT" means.
Okay, but your offense will never remotely approach the level of my offense at your failure to clarify what you are offended about.
I am more offended than any of you, and I won't be satisfied until you're all just as offended as I am! Your all a bunch of offenders causing me to be offended, and that offends me!
:rolleyes:
(Come on, azelismia, this is getting ridiculous.)
Thucydides
05-13-2008, 09:32 PM
I think I'm much more likely to offend others with my honesty than they are to offend me.
Although many things irritate me, it is dishonesty that probably offends me the most. People who express opinions they don't hold or make statements they don't believe just so they can avoid condemnation. I wish more people would be willing to be offensive.
On a related theme, there's nothing that angers me more than people who think that the words "that's offensive" constitute an argument. I wish more people would think with their brain.
azelismia
05-13-2008, 10:12 PM
Okay, but your offense will never remotely approach the level of my offense at your failure to clarify what you are offended about.
I am more offended than any of you, and I won't be satisfied until you're all just as offended as I am! Your all a bunch of offenders causing me to be offended, and that offends me!
:rolleyes:
(Come on, azelismia, this is getting ridiculous.)
Bite my shiney metal ass
TheLastMohican
05-13-2008, 10:24 PM
Bite my shiney metal ass
Is that your standard response now? :laugh:
azelismia
05-13-2008, 10:27 PM
Is that your standard response now? :laugh:
oh it's been my standard response for years. other than when I say bite my glorious golden ass. I save that for special occasions. does it offend you?
oh it's been my standard response for years. other than when I say bite my glorious golden ass. I save that for special occasions. does it offend you?
It reeks of unoriginality, thoughtlessness, and time-wasting. :yuck:
Aronnax
05-13-2008, 10:40 PM
It reeks of unoriginality, thoughtlessness, and time-wasting. :yuck:
The value of time is subjective Shriv, and quite frankly, I find your dreary response in the thread offensive.
azelismia
05-13-2008, 10:42 PM
It reeks of unoriginality, thoughtlessness, and time-wasting. :yuck:
that's why it amuses me.
azelismia added to this post, 1 minutes and 19 seconds later...
The value of time is subjective Shriv, and quite frankly, I find your dreary response in the thread offensive.
I am offended that you'd find such a SENSIBLE viewpoint offensive. he only wants what is right, holy and morally upstanding for this thread and then you come along gettin all uppity over it.
Aronnax
05-13-2008, 10:46 PM
What can I say, when I get offended I get uppity.
Your blatant disrespect for my response offends me.
azelismia
05-13-2008, 10:50 PM
What can I say, when I get offended I get uppity.
Your blatant disrespect for my response offends me.
whaa... I can see where this is going.. you're just trying to goad me into saying bite my glorious golden ass aren't you? it isn't going to work this time. You're pathetic ploy will not work on me! I am offended that you think I am so weak as to let loose with the glorious golden ass line so easily.
pah, so transparent.
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This is becoming rather recursive. :rolleyes:
TheLastMohican
05-13-2008, 10:56 PM
This is becoming rather recursive. :rolleyes:
And it offends me!
azelismia
05-13-2008, 10:57 PM
This is becoming rather recursive. :rolleyes:
I find that remark unoriginal thoughtless and timewasting.
(ok who created teh space time continuum device??, I think it's on the fritz)
And it offends me!
You deserve it.
I find that remark unoriginal thoughtless and timewasting.
How can it be if I have never used the word recursive in my life before that lone incident?
azelismia
05-13-2008, 11:03 PM
You deserve it.
How can it be if I have never used the word recursive in my life before that lone incident?
because aronnax already said it.
because aronnax already said it.
In my point of view, that doesn't count. :p
I was using the word unoriginal as in repeating yourself over. If you repeat someone else, then it is sharing points of view.
azelismia
05-13-2008, 11:10 PM
In my point of view, that doesn't count. :p
I was using the word unoriginal as in repeating yourself over. If you repeat someone else, then it is sharing points of view.
unoriginal is the act of not being original Either of those examples could equally be called unoriginal. Even if I only said it once it would be unoriginal because bender said it first. repetitive is a more valid word for the phrase.
I am offended you don't see that.
unoriginal is the act of not being original Either of those examples could equally be called unoriginal. Even if I only said it once it would be unoriginal because bender said it first. repetitive is a more valid word for the phrase.
I am offended you don't see that.
You are easily offended. HA, I'm winning. The argument no longer matters, it was all to offend you offensively. You got suckered.
errrzarrr
05-14-2008, 09:55 AM
Get offended of unfinished games and bad loosers boicoting a game. Bad loosers offends me.
Beery Swine
05-14-2008, 03:02 PM
I cringe when I hear the 'N' word.
I'm not replying to you necessarily, that comment just made me think of another thing that offends me: whenever someone say the "_" word. What are we, developmentally arrested or something? There is no such thing as the "F" word or "S" word or "C" word.
There is also no such thing as a bad word.
Antares
05-15-2008, 06:20 AM
I won't say that most things offend me. I tend to be too impersonal for that.
Uberfuhrer
05-15-2008, 08:15 AM
I'm offended when girls call me "cutie" or "hottie." Although it's true, it just sounds so slutty and insincere.
I also hate when people give me compliments without any reasons to back it up.
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I cringe when I hear the 'N' word.
iNtuitive?
TheLastMohican
05-15-2008, 08:48 AM
iNtuitive?
*cringes*
caramynk
05-15-2008, 09:40 AM
Not much offends me... Except when people try to manipulate or be clever with me. Who are they kidding, don't they know I can see right through them? I used to get offended when people would greet me with a crisp "Heil Hitler" and a salute, (no I'm not a Nazi or anything silly like that) but I've gotten used to it, it's mostly my family poking fun at my controlling, efficient, meticulous ways...
Uberfuhrer
05-15-2008, 10:43 AM
Not much offends me... Except when people try to manipulate or be clever with me. Who are they kidding, don't they know I can see right through them? I used to get offended when people would greet me with a crisp "Heil Hitler" and a salute, (no I'm not a Nazi or anything silly like that) but I've gotten used to it, it's mostly my family poking fun at my controlling, efficient, meticulous ways...
I used to do Heil Hitlers all throughout high school. I got expelled for it. Some people are just too sensitive.
Provoker
05-15-2008, 01:52 PM
To answer the original question of this thread: What offends you?
1) People who appeal to emotion, voice-tone and facial expressions (rather than reason) to make an argument and who want a reaction from you that matches their intensity on an issue. Moreover, this type of person will often get mad or irritated when you try to rationalize their feelings and sort out the information. Actually, this happens so often that now when someone I care about (the slightly more priveledged people in my life) expresses their feelings I just console them and absorb their suffering because I've learned that people don't want their feelings rationalized and systematized. They just want to be heard by someone with the capacity for understanding and/or empathy. However, for those that appeal to emotion on a day to day basis I still rationalize and objectify their situations which often pisses them off.
2) People with primitive senses of humour. People that will make the lowest and most base jokes to try to establish aphla male or build power. A base joke is, for instance, an attack on someone's pride. To make teacher jokes at the teacher in a thanksgiving dinner or to make lawyer jokes to the lawyer. In short, to fit people into stupid cookie-cutter categories and make insulting jokes based on those blanket categories. It is so base and blatantly vicious.
3) Unwarrented criticism/advice. I am only accepting of criticism from people who are in a position to be critical. That is, people who have done their research or have gained knowledge from experience in a given area. For example, I am applying to law school in fall and intend to be a trial lawyer. Sometimes I tell people about what I am doing, what I am going to do, and what interests me and they (in some cases high school drop outs) start saying (without me asking) you don't want this and you want that and this isn't good and that's good. Yet they themselves are not a lawyer, have never worked in a firm, and have no lawyers in the family so what I get is pseudo-advice from someone who has watched a few movies. This is an example of unwarrented advice which I find temendously annoying.
4) Being called a philosopher rather than an intellectual. I find this offensive. People call me philosophical all the time and it is really getting on my nerves. I object to being called a philosopher because I consider myself an all-around intellectual who happens to be philosophical. Philosophy is only one small dimension of a bigger whole and people draw upon this because it has negative connotations. I mean, if someone says they are an economic professor or law professor at Yale that is very prestigeous right? But when someone says they're a philosophy professor people snicker and laugh and make jokes like "I don't see how one can base a career around debating over why a chair should have four legs rather than three". Actually, my point is further supported by the following: Whenever someone asks what I am taking I tell them a major in poly sci and minors in economics and philosophy yet they immediately focus on philosophy, "what are you going to do with philosophy?" as if they forgot the other two. Perhaps you guys can see the pattern and the will to power that is so prevailent in people. People can be vicious and will attack your weak points both from analytical or popular angles, whichever will afford them more power at a given moment in time.
muguly
05-15-2008, 01:55 PM
What offends me? Nothing.
jadefalcon
05-17-2008, 01:20 AM
1) Hypocrites and Racists- be the real thing or go live in an abandoned light house.
2) Ignorance- failure to understand, desire to not understand,
3) betrayal- disloyalty.
4) manipulation
5) patronization- talking down to me when in a position not to.
6) two faced people- total jerk one minute, seemingly innocent right after.
7) "my way or the highway" "because it is" people- black or white. there is no gray for these folks.
From reading everyone elses posts, 'nuff said.
vaguely dissatisfied
05-17-2008, 06:24 AM
I'm not replying to you necessarily, that comment just made me think of another thing that offends me: whenever someone say the "_" word. What are we, developmentally arrested or something? There is no such thing as the "F" word or "S" word or "C" word.
There is also no such thing as a bad word.
I understand what you're saying. It's because I grew up in an era where the 'N' word was associated with the most heinous acts and, for me, it denotes such disrespect and hatred that just the word alone conjures up all of these negative, vile feelings.
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I'm offended when girls call me "cutie" or "hottie." Although it's true, it just sounds so slutty and insincere.
I also hate when people give me compliments without any reasons to back it up.
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iNtuitive?
No NumbNuts.
By the way you look like a cute, hottie.
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I used to do Heil Hitlers all throughout high school. I got expelled for it. Some people are just too sensitive.
And others wouldn't know what sensitivity was if they were thrown in a gas chamber naked and starved.
SongofSeptember
05-17-2008, 09:43 PM
Racism. Being Chinese, I hate it when Americans/Caucasians etc. talk to me as if I were of any less intelligence than they are. (Please don't assume I'm labelling all Americans and Caucasians as people who do that.)
Sexism. Period.
Manipulation.
And that's really it, actually. Nothing else actually offends me, but there are a lot of things that annoy me, which I think is on a whole different level.
As for lying, that also depends on the severity of the lie.
zoophilia
05-18-2008, 03:15 AM
This is sort of embarassing, but I was recently offended by a two seperate young women flirting with me because with the first it seemed as though she was inviting me to win her over like I had to do some big dog and pony show to "prove" I was good enough (I think she was just shy though and I was not in the mood for flirting because I had been busy doing math). I thought the second was unattractive and it made me feel as though she thought I was "in her league" which disappointed me.
KarmicKaos
05-18-2008, 03:26 AM
This is stupid but I was offended yesterday when after I invited a woman to the movies she said, "well, I'm going to bring another friend with me, and it's a man." As an INTJ I loathe group dates and prefer the 1 on 1 experience. I'm in Korea by the way, and she told me she was a little worried about me because she'd never gone out with a foreigner. I concluded she was dumb. I invited her to a movie theater, a public place damnit! It's not like I invited her to go night fishing or ditch digging.
Airfire
05-18-2008, 06:51 AM
I have never been offended by anyone/anything at anytime/anyplace my entire life. My personality is a gift in some areas, a burden in others; in this case it's the former in my opinion. While I am human (at least I think) I have small pet peeves and expectations of others, but nothing that comes close to warrant me being offended. Approach every aspect of life with an open-mind and it can bring untold wonders into the way you live it.
The thing I find most peevish (hah!) is religious people. Religious people who disregard anything I have to say as an atheist. While I have no immediate problem with religions, as long as they are centered around the greater good of humanity, it bothers me that most ignore me when I pose complex questions and/or comments to them.
When it comes to religion, alternative perspectives (such as my atheism) are considered highly suspect and are subject to intense scrutiny, held up to impossible standards of proof, while the accepted paradigm is lightly handled and can pass with little or no evidence at all (ironically via an old book).
If I use sources too modern, I am met with the need for primary sources. If I use sources considered too old, the criticism is that it is outdated. Hence, the religious believer is put in a double bind, while the critical fanatic is never found complacent.
Where are the believers' primary sources authenticating their religious scriptures, which in many cases, are rife with demonstrable historical inaccuracies, lies, and falsifications, and therefore meet no academic standard's criteria for acceptance as a primary source?
I do not seek to get into a debate or argument here, but I think many of you can understand where I am coming from. I dislike when a former critically-thinking individual willfully discards any rationality and accepts any bizarre, absurd, or completely inane rationalizations in order to explain themselves to me :P
vaguely dissatisfied
05-18-2008, 06:59 AM
I have never been offended by anyone/anything at anytime/anyplace my entire life. My personality is a gift in some areas, a burden in others; in this case it's the former in my opinion. While I am human (at least I think) I have small pet peeves and expectations of others, but nothing that comes close to warrant me being offended. Approach every aspect of life with an open-mind and it can bring untold wonders into the way you live it.
The thing I find most peevish (hah!) is religious people. Religious people who disregard anything I have to say as an atheist. While I have no immediate problem with religions, as long as they are centered around the greater good of humanity, it bothers me that most ignore me when I pose complex questions and/or comments to them.
When it comes to religion, alternative perspectives (such as my atheism) are considered highly suspect and are subject to intense scrutiny, held up to impossible standards of proof, while the accepted paradigm is lightly handled and can pass with little or no evidence at all (ironically via an old book).
If I use sources too modern, I am met with the need for primary sources. If I use sources considered too old, the criticism is that it is outdated. Hence, the religious believer is put in a double bind, while the critical fanatic is never found complacent.
Where are the believers' primary sources authenticating their religious scriptures, which in many cases, are rife with demonstrable historical inaccuracies, lies, and falsifications, and therefore meet no academic standard's criteria for acceptance as a primary source?
I do not seek to get into a debate or argument here, but I think many of you can understand where I am coming from. I dislike when a former critically-thinking individual willfully discards any rationality and accepts any bizarre, absurd, or completely inane rationalizations in order to explain themselves to me :P
I completely agree with you. I'm really intrigued by the fact that you never get offended! This makes me wonder what is it about most of us that causes this feeling of offense?
I completely agree with you. I'm really intrigued by the fact that you never get offended! This makes me wonder what is it about most of us that causes this feeling of offense?
When I was six years old I tool myself no human word would ever reach me. I've been aloof ever since.
Those who can be offended deserve to be, because they are asking for it.
NT motto: nothing personal.
You choose what you are offended by. Then people just troll around offending you because you let yourself be offended. Therefore the people that allow themselves to be offended are the cause of the trolls annoying behavior.
There is also no such thing as a bad word.
What offends me? Nothing.
Our impersonal nature. Does that answer your question?
Airfire
05-18-2008, 07:25 AM
I completely agree with you. I'm really intrigued by the fact that you never get offended! This makes me wonder what is it about most of us that causes this feeling of offense?
I have thought about why I never get offended, and no matter how much I think about it, I always come back to the same conclusion: Given my strong open-mindedness and ability to approach anything given to me in a rational and logical manner, it serves as a barrier to anything potentially perceived as "offensive."
However, sriv may have surmised your question as well. That explanation works for me.
vaguely dissatisfied
05-18-2008, 04:55 PM
Our impersonal nature. Does that answer your question?
Not really. You're saying people are offended because they choose to be. That could be the answer to alot of questions, but it doesn't really answer the question.
People are emotional because they choose to be.
People are poor because they choose to be.
People are abused because they choose to be.
These may all be correct statements, but oversimplify the answer.....if they are correct.
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I have thought about why I never get offended, and no matter how much I think about it, I always come back to the same conclusion: Given my strong open-mindedness and ability to approach anything given to me in a rational and logical manner, it serves as a barrier to anything potentially perceived as "offensive."
However, sriv may have surmised your question as well. That explanation works for me.
Do you think it could be that you have learned not to take 'anything' personally?
Do you think it could be that you have learned not to take 'anything' personally?
INTJs have barrier of sorts between percieved meaning and the personal section of their mind. They filter what they want through the barrier into their mind and allow it to affect them. Whatever we do not want to affect us is stored, but often never makes it to the closed off portion of our mind, except in large chunks or through slow diffusion.
vaguely dissatisfied
05-18-2008, 05:14 PM
INTJs have barrier of sorts between percieved meaning and the personal section of their mind. They filter what they want through the barrier into their mind and allow it to affect them. Whatever we do not want to affect us is stored, but often never makes it to the closed off portion of our mind, except in large chunks or through slow diffusion.
I must not be an INTJ then, because there are things that effect me that I really wish would not and seem to be unable to control in the manner you described.
I must not be an INTJ then, because there are things that effect me that I really wish would not and seem to be unable to control in the manner you described.
I use the label "INTJ" loosely. Neither does it matter much if a single trait of INTJ does not apply.
Your Fi is probably more mature, less protected, and more easily accessible than others.
Airfire
05-18-2008, 06:46 PM
Do you think it could be that you have learned not to take 'anything' personally?
Not necessarily. My brain filters all that it takes in, most of which is absorbed as objective rationale, nothing subjective or emotional. The closest it gets to being potentially "personal" is along the lines of ethical or moral principles.
In response to this trait being learned, I cannot think of any time in my life (even at a very young age) where my thought process was contrary to what I have stated above. It may, however, have been reinforced upon learning that much of what is presented as truth during childhood is in fact not. Upon gaining perspective on the real world, what I have been taught by my parents and through society's generosity towards the young, I realized that the world isn't all "Lollipops & Rainbows" (for shame...). Maybe it all stems from my philosophy that authority isn't always the truth, but truth is always the authority?
Like Airfire, I'm hard to offend. I came by it organically, but I think it's a learnable trait.
Like Airfire, I filter. ... I look for validity, usefulness. So even if someone says something negative, I find it useful as long as it's coming from someone informed. If it's coming from someone ignorant of the situation and I see no use, I discard. ... I am very into improving / learning and am very solution-oriented, so criticism is much more useful to me than praise. ... I have a good sense of my strengths and weaknesses, so I can't imagine anything someone can criticize about me as a person that I haven't already acknowledged. Workwise, I want to know exactly how to improve so I can just do it. ... It's not like I don't have an ego, but my ego is such that I'd rather fix or acknowledge a weakness than pretend it doesn't exist. I think the worst thing is to lie to yourself.
On a parallel track as I'm filtering what someone says, I'm looking for his motivation. If I understand that someone is out to get my goat, for instance, knowing the psychology at work puts things in perspective for me. ... I also find humor in things. I find it ironic, for instance, that someone who might be trying to get my goat with criticism is actually giving me what I want.
The funny thing is, people who don't know me sometimes assume offense. Like they'll come timidly to complain about something my team did at work, meanwhile I'm thinking, oh, please spit it out so we can get this fixed. Or someone online will think I'm taking offense. I think that's because people use their own gauges of "offendability" when they interact with others.
Another tool: It helps to remember that because you have XYX weakness or made a mistake, that doesn't negate good things about you. I think people who get offended easily lack that perspective.
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 12:50 PM
I use the label "INTJ" loosely. Neither does it matter much if a single trait of INTJ does not apply.
Your Fi is probably more mature, less protected, and more easily accessible than others.
Oh.....well thanks........I hope you're right.
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Not necessarily. My brain filters all that it takes in, most of which is absorbed as objective rationale, nothing subjective or emotional. The closest it gets to being potentially "personal" is along the lines of ethical or moral principles.
In response to this trait being learned, I cannot think of any time in my life (even at a very young age) where my thought process was contrary to what I have stated above. It may, however, have been reinforced upon learning that much of what is presented as truth during childhood is in fact not. Upon gaining perspective on the real world, what I have been taught by my parents and through society's generosity towards the young, I realized that the world isn't all "Lollipops & Rainbows" (for shame...). Maybe it all stems from my philosophy that authority isn't always the truth, but truth is always the authority?
Well, I envy you this trait however you came by it.
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Like Airfire, I'm hard to offend. I came by it organically, but I think it's a learnable trait.
Like Airfire, I filter. ... I look for validity, usefulness. So even if someone says something negative, I find it useful as long as it's coming from someone informed. If it's coming from someone ignorant of the situation and I see no use, I discard. ... I am very into improving / learning and am very solution-oriented, so criticism is much more useful to me than praise. ... I have a good sense of my strengths and weaknesses, so I can't imagine anything someone can criticize about me as a person that I haven't already acknowledged. Workwise, I want to know exactly how to improve so I can just do it. ... It's not like I don't have an ego, but my ego is such that I'd rather fix or acknowledge a weakness than pretend it doesn't exist. I think the worst thing is to lie to yourself.
On a parallel track as I'm filtering what someone says, I'm looking for his motivation. If I understand that someone is out to get my goat, for instance, knowing the psychology at work puts things in perspective for me. ... I also find humor in things. I find it ironic, for instance, that someone who might be trying to get my goat with criticism is actually giving me what I want.
The funny thing is, people who don't know me sometimes assume offense. Like they'll come timidly to complain about something my team did at work, meanwhile I'm thinking, oh, please spit it out so we can get this fixed. Or someone online will think I'm taking offense. I think that's because people use their own gauges of "offendability" when they interact with others.
Another tool: It helps to remember that because you have XYX weakness or made a mistake, that doesn't negate good things about you. I think people who get offended easily lack that perspective.
I think you're right about the 'perfectionistic' way of seeing only the bad and not the good. Also, now that you guys are making me think about it, it could be that I learned to take things personally due to my chaotic upbringing. Who knows, maybe I would have been much less this way if my environment had been very different.
tp6626
05-19-2008, 01:01 PM
I am very hard to wind up, and tend to remain calm in situations. However I'd say the thing that comes anywhere near offending me would be when I witness someone judge someone else based on their own false perceptions and attempt to mock them for it.
This is quite difficult to explain.
For example, if some person who attempts to conform to general social trends mocks someone else as being 'boring' for reading a book (say). They are totally ignorant about what the book is, how much fun/interest the person is getting from reading it, and somehow compare it with what activity they think the other person should be doing.
If they mocked me for reading a book, I would have the confidence to say, "well I don't care what you think, **** off dumb-ass". But when I witness them ganging up on others who might get upset, I do get offended and think, "how dare you!!!".
Does that make any sense at all!?
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 01:13 PM
I am very hard to wind up, and tend to remain calm in situations. However I'd say the thing that comes anywhere near offending me would be when I witness someone judge someone else based on their own false perceptions and attempt to mock them for it.
This is quite difficult to explain.
For example, if some person who attempts to conform to general social trends mocks someone else as being 'boring' for reading a book (say). They are totally ignorant about what the book is, how much fun/interest the person is getting from reading it, and somehow compare it with what activity they think the other person should be doing.
If they mocked me for reading a book, I would have the confidence to say, "well I don't care what you think, **** off dumb-ass". But when I witness them ganging up on others who might get upset, I do get offended and think, "how dare you!!!".
Does that make any sense at all!?
Sounds like you're saying you're offended by judgemental people?
tp6626
05-19-2008, 01:20 PM
Yeah but not all judgmental people. Its ill-based judgments, and specifically ones that other people feel they have to make/perpetuate in order to fit in with the social norm.
E.g. "You're 24, you should be out partying like me!!! Don't be boring!".
Yes but do you actually have fun being in nightclubs every night, and how does being 24 and reading make you boring?
See my point?
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 01:34 PM
Yeah but not all judgmental people. Its ill-based judgments, and specifically ones that other people feel they have to make/perpetuate in order to fit in with the social norm.
E.g. "You're 24, you should be out partying like me!!! Don't be boring!".
Yes but do you actually have fun being in nightclubs every night, and how does being 24 and reading make you boring?
See my point?
Yeah.........people who judge other people harshly based on their own personal criteria of how others should behave. I don't like that either. Alot of people can only see the world from one perspective....theirs.
Airfire
05-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Well, I envy you this trait however you came by it.
I think I was almost flattered there for a moment, heh. Thank you for that comment.
I have a question for you, vaguely dissatisfied: How does your brain process information, in terms of what is interpreted as offensive and what is not, as well as how it differs from mine?
By sharing how my brain interprets information, it apparently, to an extent, differs from how other INTJs on this forum do. I thought this was a trait common among INTJs, but I may be wrong. Perhaps there is an underlying part of our psyche that interprets offensive subjects based upon other factors than what our impersonal nature suggests? (i.e. family, culture, religion, etc.) Thoughts, anyone?
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 01:45 PM
I think I was almost flattered there for a moment, heh. Thank you for that comment.
I have a question for you, vaguely dissatisfied: How does your brain process information, in terms of what is interpreted as offensive and what is not, as well as how it differs from mine?
By sharing how my brain interprets information, it apparently, to an extent, differs from how other INTJs on this forum do. I thought this was a trait common among INTJs, but I may be wrong. Perhaps there is an underlying part of our psyche that interprets offensive subjects based upon other factors than what our impersonal nature suggests? (i.e. family, culture, religion, etc.) Thoughts, anyone?
I was conditioned, while growing up, to believe that I had to prove myself worthy constantly. I was critiqued and criticized often and shame and manipulation were used as parenting tools as well. This conditioning seems to have been very deeply engrained. Often a situation will evoke an offended/shame response in me that is instantaneous.....much like the ringing of a bell for Pavlov's dogs.
I was conditioned, while growing up, to believe that I had to prove myself worthy constantly. I was critiqued and criticized often and shame and manipulation were used as parenting tools as well. This conditioning seems to have been very deeply engrained. Often a situation will evoke an offended/shame response in me that is instantaneous.....much like the ringing of a bell for Pavlov's dogs.
Interesting. I was brought up like you were, but I was also taught to trust no one until proven. Maybe that little change made all the difference.
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 02:21 PM
Interesting. I was brought up like you were, but I was also taught to trust no one until proven. Maybe that little change made all the difference.
That can't be it though, because I have the same attitude about trusting people.
I was also taught to trust no one until proven.
Good point. I have a very skeptical nature. ... And my mom was critical, while my dad was always praising me. (If I were a serial murderer, my dad probably would say I was the best serial murderer ever.) ... I figured out young that you need to gauge your own worth, because others might be talking out of their butts even if they're authority figures. So if I didn't assume validity from authority figures at a young age, I'm sure not going to assume validity from anyone else. :laugh:
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 02:32 PM
Good point. I have a very skeptical nature. ... And my mom was critical, while my dad was always praising me. (If I were a serial murderer, my dad probably would say I was the best serial murderer ever.) ... I figured out young that you need to gauge your own worth, because others might be talking out of their butts even if they're authority figures. So if I didn't assume validity from authority figures at a young age, I'm sure not going to assume validity from anyone else. :laugh:
Perhaps, because I did assume validity from authority figures (well one anyway) and tried to live up to the expectations of that authority figure, I was conditioned to respond to certain stimuli as a personal attack.
Another interesting point is that I have a problem with authority figures.
Sounds plausible. ... People also can respond very differently to identical circumstances. Hard to assign linear causes, given innate personalities / internal wiring. For instance, siblings often respond differently to the same upbringing. (Of course there are varying roles that siblings fill in a family.)
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 02:43 PM
Sounds plausible. ... People also can respond very differently to identical circumstances. Hard to assign linear causes, given innate personalities / internal wiring. For instance, siblings often respond differently to the same upbringing. (Of course there are varying roles that siblings fill in a family.)
Yes. But, I guess I was looking for similar responses based on personality type.......just to get some insight into myself and perhaps some help in changing unwanted responses. All of my siblings are E's and have very different ways of dealing with the world than I do. Sometimes it feels like I'm from an entirely different family than them, although they probably feel the same way for their own unique reasons.
That can't be it though, because I have the same attitude about trusting people.
So even if you know they are lying and purposely doing it to make you feel bad, you feel bad?
vaguely dissatisfied
05-19-2008, 02:48 PM
So even if you know they are lying and purposely doing it to make you feel bad, you feel bad?
Depends, but yes. This sort of thing was done to me by my parents and, I think, I have been conditioned to respond in a negative emotional way to it. Now, mind you, I can control my emotions very well, but I feel them strongly.
Depends, but yes. This sort of thing was done to me by my parents and, I think, I have been conditioned to respond in a negative emotional way to it. Now, mind you, I can control my emotions very well, but I feel them strongly.
Yes, that sounds a lot like conditioning.
I've observed in your posts that you control your emotions very well.
klye126
05-19-2008, 09:26 PM
disregard for the well-being of others (failing to uphold responsibility in groups)
Bad manors, innapropriate behavior
Cheating and dishonesty
Disrespect for ANY person
People who don't respect themselves
People who point out that im interrupting/interjecting when i present an idea that is fresh in mind
Sucking up
Unrealistic viewpoints/ looking at things w/o perspecive
Techicalities, net picky people
Shallow, superficial people
People who are like "whatever" towards every aspect of life
People who try to avoid coflict rather than dealing with it
kusaninja
05-20-2008, 02:25 AM
not much really offends me, but there are many things that me annoyed as hell.
1)basing things off of race. who gives a flying fuck if im asian, white, or half asian half white. im still the same person.
2)irrationality. when people dont use logic, it makes me wonder if i would be doing a favor to darwin by killing them.
3)brown nosers. to me, its basically saying im not smart enough to earn a grade/job, so im gonna try to buy a grade/job by being nice to you.
4)people trying to be someone/thing theyre not. basically, i have a deep disgust for anyone white people who try to be asian by watching anime and making the peace sign with their fingers during pictures.
5)condescension. is basically another word for "i think i know more than you so i now have to tell you something you already know but im going to act like complete bitch and im going to be offended if you say you already know this."
6)manipulation. when people assume im too dumb too realize that theyre manipulating me, i play along and then at the end i confront them about it.
7)people who use the "im miserable, you should pity me and give me attention" card. cuz we all know that they have it the worst. nobody in the world has been through more mind blowing, tragic events. no one.
thats basically it.
vaguely dissatisfied
05-20-2008, 04:19 AM
Yes, that sounds a lot like conditioning.
I've observed in your posts that you control your emotions very well.
Am I that transparent?
BallentineChen
05-20-2008, 12:35 PM
Ignorance.
Easily the most frequent, and true, cause of unnecessary conflict. Uneven distribution of information, misinformation, clouded judgment, subjectivity, self. Unwillingness to test one's own beliefs.
athenian200
05-20-2008, 01:53 PM
I'll post my views later on but I'm curious to what offends you or what people have attempted to offend you with? What aspects of your personality or life in general do they attack? How do you generally react?
Well, I'm offended by crudeness/vulgarity, personal attacks, and being deliberately embarrassed in front of other people. I can tolerate pretty much anything else most of the time.
I usually react by chewing the other person out, and depending on the severity and my feeling about the person, I may just cut them out of my life.
rokxal
05-20-2008, 04:10 PM
Malice, as it is intentionally directed towards a person, undeserving, and unprovoked.
knitteratheart
05-20-2008, 04:46 PM
Frivolent stereotypical comments spoken seriously.
It's more severe annoyance than offence, but it's about as close as I get.
Rhiannon
05-20-2008, 05:13 PM
Manipulation, control freaks, the proudly unintelligent, liars, the lazy.
tyrantofthought
05-20-2008, 06:20 PM
Nothing can really offend me in any way. Anything people know they cant hurt me with. Hell, if i splayed my entire memory across for someone to see they would probably THINK they could offend me dozens of ways, but in truth it doesn't really hurt me at all. Plus nothing can really make me mad anymore(other than spontaneous things, but soon after I wouldn't be mad at all) just because of how I think of why people act the way they do.
cahernandez
05-21-2008, 09:27 AM
I'll post my views later on but I'm curious to what offends you or what people have attempted to offend you with? What aspects of your personality or life in general do they attack? How do you generally react?
i don't give them the satisfaction of seeing me suffer, so they don't bother me at all. more so, can they offend me. i have master the art of protecting myself from unnecessary pain.
some perceive me as a person who doesn't care. as for me, i really don't if it is none of my business. to each his own, i don't like them meddling in my life, so i don't basically meddle in their own lives. i like relships to be civil. not too close not too far. friends perceive me as impulsive. as for me, i am impulsive on trivial things. but when it comes to impt aspects of my life, i definitely plan and pray. i wait and weigh things.
how do i react?, when i was younger i used to get hurt. but like i wrote earlier, why give them the satisfaction of seeing me suffer. i know myself well. they can all judge and give an opinion of me, good or bad, but ultimately, it is me who knows myself better. i learn from experiences and mistakes. but why be so harsh on myself. if i can forgive others, high time i must forgive me for all my shortcomings, if any.
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