Selling Air

[lenne02]

At present I am working on a project to plant 5.0 mil trees utelizing the United Nations Kyoto Protocol to reduce carbon. I started this project together with a friend, he is like you and me, just a couple of month ago and planted so far 100.000 trees. If someone is asking me what I am working on I tell them that I am going to sell 150.000 metric tons of air on the international stock market. They look at me, turn around and walk away. I love it. But that what I normally do, don't like to explain much and the faster they take off the better. Actually here I said already a lot.

Yes it is true .... I am going to sell air on the international stock market, somewhat. It is just not called air it is called carbon credit equivalent based on the biomass of the trees. This is worth about 3 mil. dollars per year for the next 10 years. I found a European brooker (third largest in the world) helping me financially to prepare all documentations for the UNFCCC and going to find an investor to plant all trees.

Who of you would come up with the idea to sell air??? :)

[lordrrr]

Ha that's pretty good go for it. I'm not sure how serious people would take you but...

[mind_wander]

Ha that's pretty good go for it. I'm not sure how serious people would take you but...

People will take it seriously, when you can't breathe because the air is polluted. So go to your nearest air tank provider. Ask lenne02, for directions it will cost a hefty fee. This kinda reminds of that movie: Total Recall, where everyone on Mars need to pay air tax too breathe.

[Learning]

That is just awesome. Really glad to hear someone is thinking about the environment.

[pavman]

At present I am working on a project to plant 5.0 mil trees utelizing the United Nations Kyoto Protocol to reduce carbon. I started this project together with a friend, he is like you and me, just a couple of month ago and planted so far 100.000 trees. If someone is asking me what I am working on I tell them that I am going to sell 150.000 metric tons of air on the international stock market. They look at me, turn around and walk away. I love it. But that what I normally do, don't like to explain much and the faster they take off the better. Actually here I said already a lot.

Yes it is true .... I am going to sell air on the international stock market, somewhat. It is just not called air it is called carbon credit equivalent based on the biomass of the trees. This is worth about 3 mil. dollars per year for the next 10 years. I found a European brooker (third largest in the world) helping me financially to prepare all documentations for the UNFCCC and going to find an investor to plant all trees.

Who of you would come up with the idea to sell air??? :)
Unfortunately, this scam is the next big tax. Its groundless, but kudos for profiting off of it. We didn't have to think of it...Al Gore and the leftist idealists all thought up the carbon credit scheme themselves, and its been gaining momentum .... unfortunately, its just a new tax on society to force everyone to become more environmentally focused.

I mean, imagine if they had garbage footprint credits...to offset your waste production. Or water footprint credits to help offset the water usage... Its just ludicrously naive.

Good idea... I think I'll buy some land and plant some trees....in Montana. Dam man, brilliant! Anyone want to start a corporation with me and get in on this?! :o) Or perhaps I can be your investor .... :D

[thod]

Except vegetation doesnt remove CO2 from the atmosphere. It locks it up for a while but then the once the tree is dead it releases it all again as it rots.

To remove it marine life can form chalk/limestone deposits or it will be removed by rain which reacts to form carbonic acid which will react with the rocks when it lands to form carbonates.

You dont need to plant trees. Trees will grow just fine if you leave them to it. Forests have been around a long time. Perhaps you are intending to harvest the wood so want commercial varieties in nice straight lines. I am not sure how they will treat cutting them down in terms of carbon credits.

[pavman]

Thod... what part of SCAM didn't you understand? Its like a Ponzi scheme for the environmentalists.

Corporations will soon be forced to buy carbon offset credits for their carbon footprints. Some folks are already doing this, but they're not forced to... yet. They're creating an industry based on a tax that has yet to happen.

But wait, its coming. The greatest scam of the 21st century is just starting to kick off.... get in on the ground floor...so your children can prosper off of others!

[mind_wander]

Thod... what part of SCAM didn't you understand? Its like a Ponzi scheme for the environmentalists.

Corporations will soon be forced to buy carbon offset credits for their carbon footprints. Some folks are already doing this, but they're not forced to... yet. They're creating an industry based on a tax that has yet to happen.

But wait, its coming. The greatest scam of the 21st century is just starting to kick off.... get in on the ground floor...so your children can prosper off of others!

You know, there was a big scam in China about selling a piece of property on the moon. It was a big hoax, but guess what? People did pay for it, end up with a big grain of dust, lol.

[lordrrr]

this is epic lol

[coffeeloverfreak]

Yeah, well, people bought pet rocks, too.

[iamnotspock]

But will you add vitamins to the air? I want VitaminAir to go with my VitaminWater. And it better be organic.

[lordrrr]

But will you add vitamins to the air? I want VitaminAir to go with my VitaminWater. And it better be organic.

Would you like paper or plastic, sir?

[thod]

I mean, imagine if they had garbage footprint credits...to offset your waste production. Or water footprint credits to help offset the water usage... Its just ludicrously naive.


That seems fair. Full cycle costing is the most accurate means of assessing impact. The price of a product is not only the cost of extracting the minerals and processing them into a useful form. It is also the costs of disposing of the used product and any wastes.
I can produce the cheapest nuclear power if I can simply take my radioactive waste and bury it in your backyard. Any industry can produce cheap product by allowing its toxins into the rivers instead of fitting clean tech.

The problem is its the industrialists that are making the profits and it us that have to breath the filthy air and toxic water. So we, as a democracy, get to say what they can and cant do. We set limits on the pollution they can produce. Try to find a politician that doesn't support clean air and pure water. Nobody can argue against it.

You need garbage tax. If you produce cadmium batteries then its the disposal company that has to pick up the tab for proper disposal. The production company wants to just bury the problem, cheaper product equals more sales. As soon as you make them responsible for the disposal of the junk they produce they develop a different outlook. Now they produce clean products that are easy to recycle.

Its simply the old view that the earth and its resources are infinite. You can consume what you like and dispose of it ad infinitum. That is changing the new view is that of the space station. You have limited resources and all wastes must be recycled because there is nowhere else for them to go. Its a closed system. So we tax according to the amount of CO2 produced.

The US as big polluter may not wish to comply. But they are not so important anymore and Europe will bitch slap them with economic sanctions to make them comply.

[searcheagle]

I mean, imagine if they had garbage footprint credits...to offset your waste production. Or water footprint credits to help offset the water usage... Its just ludicrously naive.

I see a new business opportunity!

[pavman]

That seems fair. Full cycle costing is the most accurate means of assessing impact. The price of a product is not only the cost of extracting the minerals and processing them into a useful form. It is also the costs of disposing of the used product and any wastes.
I can produce the cheapest nuclear power if I can simply take my radioactive waste and bury it in your backyard. Any industry can produce cheap product by allowing its toxins into the rivers instead of fitting clean tech.

The problem is its the industrialists that are making the profits and it us that have to breath the filthy air and toxic water. So we, as a democracy, get to say what they can and cant do. We set limits on the pollution they can produce. Try to find a politician that doesn't support clean air and pure water. Nobody can argue against it.

You need garbage tax. If you produce cadmium batteries then its the disposal company that has to pick up the tab for proper disposal. The production company wants to just bury the problem, cheaper product equals more sales. As soon as you make them responsible for the disposal of the junk they produce they develop a different outlook. Now they produce clean products that are easy to recycle.

Its simply the old view that the earth and its resources are infinite. You can consume what you like and dispose of it ad infinitum. That is changing the new view is that of the space station. You have limited resources and all wastes must be recycled because there is nowhere else for them to go. Its a closed system. So we tax according to the amount of CO2 produced.

The US as big polluter may not wish to comply. But they are not so important anymore and Europe will bitch slap them with economic sanctions to make them comply.

You don't really get it, do you? This is going to be a government imposed commodity exchange, not a tax. Its like inventing trees. Or, better yet, casinos. No utility.

Yes, we tax and regulate to make things safe, but this is equivalent to allowing the nuclear waste dumping, then paying a company to offset the dumping instead of directly addressing the problem. Same with garbage...its like creating waste, then paying a company to offset the amount of waste produced with something positive (like extra space on the moon).

Bottom Line: This is just shell game that doesn't actually solve any of the problems, like regulation would. Essentially, instead of incentivizing companies to clean up their act, companies will simply pay others to offset their waste production. No solution, no progress, just a shell game.

After thinking this over, I wonder how many governments will be selling these credits. Seems like there's lots of forests out there.... I wonder how big of a market this is going to be. Don't get me wrong, I think its gonna be huge, but think about the number of countries that might jump on board to sell the credits...in the end will it really do anything productive to ease carbon emissions?

Oh, and for your information, the US and EU are Republics. Democracies don't exist anymore. Check it... when we "elect" the President next November, at least in the US, we'll have this thing called the Electoral Collegeto ultimately decide who becomes President. Are there really any pure Democracies left in the world?!