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RBM
10-10-2009, 02:50 PM
Capitalism: A Movie Critique (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) by Stoneleigh:


For those who haven't seen Capitalism: A Love Story, I suggest that you do. There are many eye-opening moments, and much material that humanizes the crisis we are facing even as it reveals how dehumanizing our system has become.
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Her closing:

Finally, Moore has a significant blindspot with regard to the current American administration. He paints Barack Obama as a socialist and a hero, apparently without recognizing that this administration says one thing, but does the exact opposite. Mr Obama, who appears to believe his own propaganda, has effectively been bought and paid for by Wall Street, and the revolving door between investment banking and the treasury department continues to turn. We are at or near the end of a long sucker rally that has clouded the judgement of the population with feel-good sentiment. That has allowed them to be comprehensively fleeced in their sleep, even as they dreamed of green shoots of recovery. They will be waking up soon, and they will realize that this administration has accelerated the practices of the old one. That will be a dangerous time indeed.

Most on this board seem to see the world as 'Us' and 'Them'. A consequence of this is to allow various kind and levels of predator/prey/both dynamics to develop. Weather it be Africa, Europe or the US. I suspect more of this kind of dynamic to continue to occur globally. In the US, presently, look to the gov/corporate versus electorate/market dynamics.

The inter-sovereign game is already afoot; see China's moves to contract for natural resources that will not see the light of day of any global market.

It has been said that the only way humanity will be reconciled with itself is for it to experience a global malignant invasion on ET's. I'm not sure that would even do it.

Mader
10-10-2009, 07:26 PM
I have not seem the movie. No comment on the movie.

Saw Michael Moore on Sean Hannity yesterday.
Let me start by saying Sean Hannity is really not my favorite commentator - I think he takes things out of context and distorts the truth.
Having said that, both men are practicing Catholics so they got into that a bit.
I found Moore to be emotionally manipulative, twisting Catholic theology to condemn Hannity in an incorrect way. Yes, Moore is a movie maker, a story teller, sending a message/making a statement is part of his job. But as a Catholic, I really resent anyone trying to hit another person over the head for not being good enough. Meaning, there are different ways of calling a person out when they are not following the Gospel, one way is to do this with love, care, compassion and positive support. Moore went the other way, he sounded like your greedy but perennially broke cousin who resented your hard work and success and did the guilt stuff. If Hannity did not agree with Moore's positions, then Hannity was a bad Catholic, even tho Hannity was not in voilation of any Catholic teaching.

From that interview, and I realize it is only one interview, I don't like the man.

RBM
10-10-2009, 08:09 PM
Mader, you got me rolling on the floor about 'good Catholic's' - it's an oxymoron !

Guilt is the MO of C...ism. I've read it on this board ... and have had a very close platonic friendship with one woman, and a romantic relationship with another woman, both who were adamant 'recovering Catholics' - and while they didn't know each other, there stories were eerily similar when it came to C...ism.

MM was just being a 'normal' Catholic, heh heh. Your post is a rant on MM's religious 'bad' behavior, which I find comical in itself - got your 'Good Catholic' hackles up, eh ? Ha !

I haven't seen the movie but have seem some of Moore's work and have had irritation at how he tells a story. But, I sure, in this case, don't need to see his work to get the gist - Good (somebody else's) Lord ! Just read the * headlines ! Read the financial charts ! Read the trends, speaking of trends ...

...Just read a headline today, that US is no longer the 'financial capital' - UK is #1, Australia is #2 - US is #3 !

* Note: I get my news online and prefer empirical analysis.

Pandemonium
10-10-2009, 11:29 PM
At least someone is trying to illuminate the nefarious practices that take place within the American/Globalist economic frame work. However, I thought he done a half assed job of it. There just seems to be too much out there to comment on than to put into a 2 hour movie.


I really didn't know my country is the number 2 economic capital in the world. *scratches head* We aren't that wealthy.

Causa Mortis
10-11-2009, 12:30 AM
Most on this board seem to see the world as 'Us' and 'Them'. A consequence of this is to allow various kind and levels of predator/prey/both dynamics to develop. Weather it be Africa, Europe or the US. I suspect more of this kind of dynamic to continue to occur globally. In the US, presently, look to the gov/corporate versus electorate/market dynamics.

Us/Them dichotomies are an integral part of human psychology.

The inter-sovereign game is already afoot; see China's moves to contract for natural resources that will not see the light of day of any global market.

Vertical integration isn't going to have a huge impact on prices. Its just removing equal amounts of supply and demand from a market. Its net impact on global prices will depend on elasticities of supply and demand within the market, but its likely to be small.

The only market I can see this would be a substantive issue is within the oil market, where many feel that oil is genuinely running out. I'm not sure if that's the case, but its the only potential market where it could matter. And they're buying very near the top of a commodity price cycle.

MaleVolentworld
10-13-2009, 08:32 AM
I sure hope this is freely available or else he will look silly.

SeaCzar
10-13-2009, 11:06 AM
Michael Moore has done nothing in his lifetime except to profit from human misery and despair. He is no better than those assholes you see on infomercials or those who advertise for the Psychic Friends Network.

Give me a break. The only thing that is more sorry than Michael Moore is those who buy into his bullshit.

RBM
10-13-2009, 12:05 PM
Michael Moore has done nothing in his lifetime except to profit from human misery and despair. He is no better than those assholes you see on infomercials or those who advertise for the Psychic Friends Network.

Give me a break. The only thing that is more sorry than Michael Moore is those who buy into his bullshit.

Would you include his characterization of the Wall Street bailout as a (financial) coup d' 'etat, 'bullshit' ?

Disclosure for context: I'm US resident citizen.

Causa Mortis
10-13-2009, 12:44 PM
I sure hope this is freely available or else he will look silly.

I don't believe Moore advocates for a system that distributes resources without prices. He pushes for a French or Swedish type of political economy generally, and frankly that's a massive improvement over the Bush administration's failboat crony capitalism.