INTJ Intensity

[Provoker]

I had an episode last night at my mother's birthday. There were some associated friends that made me less comfortable then usual, and one of them was even placating me which I hate. Anyways, at one point the guy turned to me and said "What do you think? And I had an intellectual explosion of intensity: I spoke fast, precise, jerky, and very forcefully, even aggressively. At the end, everyone was quiet and I my heart was beating rapidly. This is not an everyday thing, but it does happen occasionally. Does anyone else have these moments of intensity and trembling when delivering your ideas in the social sphere?

[mind_wander]

Does anyone else have these moments of intensity and trembling when delivering your ideas in the social sphere?

yea, in this case: What do you think? means, too have a short comment, not a very long intellectual conversation. I know the feeling been there done that. Next time, cut it short, like you originally have been, less talk, more straight to the point. I know it sounds, like the reverse, but its the social norm.

[Headstrong]

I had a moment like that in my honors english class last week. This older guy was going on and on about how these two theories of consciousness contradicted themselves. In my head I'm screaming, "No they're not! They're both necessary and valid!" *As I continue to conjure up an argument to justify my case.* As soon as he was done rambling on and on/thinking aloud (5-10 minutes maybe?), I raised my hand and my brain errupted...for lack of a better description. As I'm talking to him, my voice is trembling and rapid and then I had to put in the classic "I understand where you're coming from, but..." just so it wouldn't seem like I was attacking him. When it was all over, my heart was racing and thankfully, I actually made some sort of sense to one of my other six classmates. XD That's what happens when you give a psychology major a psychology book to read for an english class. We also had to write up two or three questions pertaining to the chapters we read, and I got reprimanded for not having any. Sorry the book made perfect sense to me. :\ Bahhh...rules. =D

[HarleyQuinn]

I find this reveals itself more when I'm discussing something that has me irked (i.e. reading an opinion that invalidates something I like and then having to discuss it) or discussing a subject that I'm passionate about in a good way.

Otherwise, I'll either speak in clipped, concise sentences or if I have a particular thought that I'm "working through" as I get called on, I'll do the rambling/thinking aloud bit.

[Jenny Penny]

I don't know about you, but I get that way because I anticipate illogical arguments in response, and I usually expect to be interrupted (don't know why that is or where it comes from). I tend to become emotional when interrupted or not completely listened to. I feel like most people do not have the patience to listen to an INTJ and like to interrupt them. I find that a lot of ES types like to interrupt me, thinking they know any given situation more thoroughly than I do, when I know they are just not worth the time of any explanation because they'll never get it. This makes me so mad! I guess I need to work on that, huh? : )

[Paul V]

That's how I communicate with people I'm not afraid of scaring (family and best friend). They hate it, but the effort to repress it is just not worth it.

Edit at below: I completely agree. Same here.

[coffeeloverfreak]

People tell me I exhaust them. I just keep arguing my point until (a) they concede I'm right and (b) they don't feel like talking to me anymore because I wear them down. One of my big challenges has been learning that sometimes harmony is more important than victory.

[mind_wander]

I don't know about you, but I get that way because I anticipate illogical arguments in response, and I usually expect to be interrupted (don't know why that is or where it comes from). I tend to become emotional when interrupted or not completely listened to. I feel like most people do not have the patience to listen to an INTJ and like to interrupt them. I find that a lot of ES types like to interrupt me, thinking they know any given situation more thoroughly than I do, when I know they are just not worth the time of any explanation because they'll never get it. This makes me so mad! I guess I need to work on that, huh? : )

I'm in the same dilemmia, like you just some people will not have the patience to sit down and listened to the INTJ point of view. Only, if everyone fails in their own personal life, ok, then they will glad to asked for your opinions, so thats a positive side of things. Often times, people do interrupted me, WTF; I didn't even said a word yet, not utter a single word. Someone always keeps cutting me off, so is your name MW? No, so have the courtesy to give someone a chance to speak because maybe that persons view is darn boring ZZZzzzzzzz. Maybe because INTJs are too quiet?

[vaguely dissatisfied]

I think I do this, on occassion, because I have held everything in for so long that it's kind of like opening up a steam pipe........it just all pours out. I believe I hold in alot because there are so few people ready, willing, or able to talk about things that are important to me.

[PortInStorm]

I'm not sure if this is because I have a pretty good 'f', if not almost even with my 't', but I'm big on some social justice issues. Then I just explode about the injustice of it all. My husband's gotten used to it now, but at first he used to pat me on the knee telling me 'it's OK, honey'. Made me even more mad, condescending. In reality it's just that he's uncomfortable with strong emotion, especially anger, even if it's not at him.

[safetypin00]

I think I do this, on occassion, because I have held everything in for so long that it's kind of like opening up a steam pipe........it just all pours out. I believe I hold in alot because there are so few people ready, willing, or able to talk about things that are important to me.

Yeah, I can relate so well. And then I find it frusturating when people ask for my opinion on something important to me and don't let me fully explain myself. I find it hard to properly communicate my points and I spent time trying to make them as coherent and logical as possible and it is annoying when the other person just says a bunch of obvious crap back at you. I only engage in these conversations with people that I know will both appreciate it and be able to hold the conversation. I feel like my intellectual stimulation is close to zero lately. I don't want people to agree with me, but I want their points to be valid, and I find, often, they are just not (I mean, really invalid, like violating the laws of physics)

[Meyer]

This happened recently at a family function. A group of us were sitting around a table and the discussion was on politics, sheeple, media etc.. Out of nowhere I erupted in a rant on what I saw as the underlying issues and causes. I could tell the others were feeling a little uncomfortable so I made some sort of joke about getting off of my soapbox and the mood seemed to lighten. I was actually surprised I was able to "recover" so quickly. Must be my burgeoning skills at extroversion:yuck:

[Antares]

My parents won't even hear my whole point before interupting me to offer input. That's when I get frustrated, but usually, in a debate, I offer my points coolly and my face would betray no emotion, but my eyes would be piercing and cold. I would speak with a forceful, quite and assertive voice and I would usually use formal English. My family (and extended family) that consists mainly of Extroverts, Sensors and Feelers would get worked up because I attack their points mercilessly and I won't hesistate to use adjectives such as 'illogical', 'irrational' and 'schizophrenic illusions' (when attacking personal supernatural experiences). What gets them worse is that I remain unfazed while their frustration and anger is growing (and I know my arguments are the cause of that), but I stare at them innocently as if saying: "What's wrong? Did I say something?" For most NT's, they wouldn't be offended a least bit. Then out of anger/frustration, they stop talking to me because they often restate their points, believing that alleging it would make me accept it, but I always use the same arguments to defeat the same points. Most of the time, I would point out that in a debate, a point without valid justification is not a point, and restating it yields no results whatsoever. Then they tell me it's not a debate, but a discussion. Soon after, they don't see the point of talking to me anymore.

I wouldn't actually ramble though. I prefer to assemble an outline mentally and follow that, explaining step by step why their arguments are invalid.

[Zilal]

No, I haven't experienced anything quite like that... but once in a great while I do get aggressive in discussions. It's an odd feeling for me because I'm usually quite concerned with being polite... and then once in a while a switch comes on and all I care about is information, either trying to get it or trying to clarify it. Ha, I just remembered holding a finger up to my scary professor last semester because I was afraid he was going to interrupt me while I was explaining something. He hadn't shown any signs of wanting to interrupt me. Looking back now, it seems quite rude of me.

[karen]

I had a moment like that in my honors english class last week. This older guy was going on and on about how these two theories of consciousness contradicted themselves. In my head I'm screaming, "No they're not! They're both necessary and valid!" *As I continue to conjure up an argument to justify my case.* As soon as he was done rambling on and on/thinking aloud (5-10 minutes maybe?), I raised my hand and my brain errupted...

This happened to me once in a history class, except it was on the professor. He was only presenting two sides of something as if thats all there was: only there was a third prespective (in my opinion the most logical) which he was TOTALLY ignoring. I couldn't handle it anymore.... I was lucky he didn't throw me out of class, he settled for giving me my only C in college.

My parents won't even hear my whole point before interupting me to offer input. That's when I get frustrated...

This happens all the time with my uberchristian INTJ dad and my ISFJ husband... The interruptions turn me into a zealot.

[Gloed]

People tell me I exhaust them. I just keep arguing my point until (a) they concede I'm right and (b) they don't feel like talking to me anymore because I wear them down. One of my big challenges has been learning that sometimes harmony is more important than victory.

i've had someone telling me : "it's not because i can't explain my opinion the way you can, that i'm wrong". she was right. winning a debate doesn't always mean you are right. sometimes it just means you've been a good debater..

that said, i'm still surprised when people don't want to talk to me anymore..

[Victor Tango]

I spoke fast, precise, jerky, and very forcefully, even aggressively. At the end, everyone was quiet and I my heart was beating rapidly. This is not an everyday thing, but it does happen occasionally. Does anyone else have these moments of intensity and trembling when delivering your ideas in the social sphere?

This happens to me on occasion as well, with the distinction that my speaking speed actually slows down and my voice drops several steps.

Unfortunately, this can give the impression to people who don't know me that I am severely angry, which is almost never the case.

[vaguely dissatisfied]

Yeah, I can relate so well. And then I find it frusturating when people ask for my opinion on something important to me and don't let me fully explain myself. I find it hard to properly communicate my points and I spent time trying to make them as coherent and logical as possible and it is annoying when the other person just says a bunch of obvious crap back at you. I only engage in these conversations with people that I know will both appreciate it and be able to hold the conversation. I feel like my intellectual stimulation is close to zero lately. I don't want people to agree with me, but I want their points to be valid, and I find, often, they are just not (I mean, really invalid, like violating the laws of physics)
I have a difficult time talking to people for this same reason. I call it......."Pearls to the swine." (I know it's biblical)