Asian/non-Asian Union with any related problems and concerns

[mind_wander]

Hi all,

Due to the large amount of Asian issues and problems which are on the different threads. Agent of Gaming, gladly mentioned this too me, we all should have one thread post about anything, in particular problems or concerns. An Asian and Non-Asian Union thread, it helps to share with others about you're own personal experiences. Last time, kind of forgot to fixed one of my old threads, so make it up with this one. If you don't felt comfortable posting, please and PM too me or just gladly send an email; I might get back too you. I'm prefer people post it, rather than pm'ing, but don't worry, I won't bite. I promise :)

[AgentofGaming]

whoa... you really went through on that idea. It's odd because I always thought my ideas were madness. ;D

[mind_wander]

Trust me, I never find anything mad or crazy, at all because there are other Asian web forums who have much more to say. So why, not have just one thread and speak freely about it, before all the negative emotions are bottled up inside. AOG, you find that your ideas are crazy because people conditioned and denied your ideas, which are smart and innovative; its all cool with me.

So sit back and relax and chill some tranquility songs, why we're all at it:

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[bubbles]

This article (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) makes me feel disgusted how competitive and academically focused most Asians are. I'm Asian and I am actually starting to believe in the stereotype that Asians are naturally good at math and science (probably because I'm getting owned in my science (and to a lesser extent, math) classes because some of my Asian classmates are extremely smart). If I am a parent, I would never send my kids to those schools described in the article. I know I would seem like a racist for saying that if I'm not Asian. The worse part is that I'm a hypocrite since I'm good at math (though not as good as I want to be) and I'm Asian, but I can't stop myself from feeling that way. I apologize if I offended anyone. I'm obviously confused about my feelings. I'm sure some of you will find this insane (and that's alright) :), but if you're Asian, you might feel the same :).

[quentin]

This may be a bit off topic, but this seriously bugs me, the term "Asian". Asia is a huge continent. It includes many vastly different cultures. However, in the U.S./Canada "Asian" only means those of Chinese/Korean/Japanese descent. If you actually live in Asia, you'll realize that the huang-ren(yellow people) of East Asia look down upon the Malays - the Indonesians/Filipinos/Malaysians/etc. There's a huge amount of racism in Asia, particularly of the Chinese and Japanese against the "lower" classes of browner people (Koreans aren't racist; they hate all foreigners equally). Not to mention the Indians and Pakistanis and Mid-Easterners, who all live in Asia but aren't considered "Asian" in America. It's extremely sloppy terminology, to say the least.

There is no such thing as "Asian". You should be specific. From personal experience, there are quite a few Chinese who got very upset when once I mentioned that Vietnamese and Thais would all be considered "Asian" in America. They were very upset to be compared at all to such obviously inferior beings from obviously inferior cultures.

[deicruxified]

This article (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) makes me feel disgusted how competitive and academically focused most Asians are. I'm Asian and I am actually starting to believe in the stereotype that Asians are naturally good at math and science (probably because I'm getting owned in my science (and to a lesser extent, math) classes because some of my Asian classmates are extremely smart). If I am a parent, I would never send my kids to those schools described in the article. I know I would seem like a racist for saying that if I'm not Asian. The worse part is that I'm a hypocrite since I'm good at math (though not as good as I want to be) and I'm Asian, but I can't stop myself from feeling that way. I apologize if I offended anyone. I'm obviously confused about my feelings. I'm sure some of you will find this insane (and that's alright) :), but if you're Asian, you might feel the same :).

our country is being infested by koreans because education is cheap here... well, i may seem racist but most of the koreans i have met were rude as if the land they're shitting on is theirs... a friend of mine almost startejd a bar brawl with a group of them... /rant. don't get me wrong coz i got a korean friend.





deicruxified added to this post, 5 minutes and 44 seconds later...

This may be a bit off topic, but this seriously bugs me, the term "Asian". Asia is a huge continent. It includes many vastly different cultures. However, in the U.S./Canada "Asian" only means those of Chinese/Korean/Japanese descent. If you actually live in Asia, you'll realize that the huang-ren(yellow people) of East Asia look down upon the Malays - the Indonesians/Filipinos/Malaysians/etc. There's a huge amount of racism in Asia, particularly of the Chinese and Japanese against the "lower" classes of browner people (Koreans aren't racist; they hate all foreigners equally). Not to mention the Indians and Pakistanis and Mid-Easterners, who all live in Asia but aren't considered "Asian" in America. It's extremely sloppy terminology, to say the least.

There is no such thing as "Asian". You should be specific. From personal experience, there are quite a few Chinese who got very upset when once I mentioned that Vietnamese and Thais would all be considered "Asian" in America. They were very upset to be compared at all to such obviously inferior beings from obviously inferior cultures.

yep the chinese... they are quite discriminatory here... one time in college when we celebrated the independence day, we had a flag revolt. we posted mini flags around campus with little snippets on it and one of them was this:

"we give you shelter in our home, we make business with you, we educate your children in our schools but you never let them marry our children"

and all the filipino-chinese students in out campuswere ... furious... except for the ones who sympathize (most are the ones who had failed relationships because their parents disapprove marrying people of other races)

[AgentofGaming]

This may be a bit off topic, but this seriously bugs me, the term "Asian". Asia is a huge continent. It includes many vastly different cultures. However, in the U.S./Canada "Asian" only means those of Chinese/Korean/Japanese descent. If you actually live in Asia, you'll realize that the huang-ren(yellow people) of East Asia look down upon the Malays - the Indonesians/Filipinos/Malaysians/etc. There's a huge amount of racism in Asia, particularly of the Chinese and Japanese against the "lower" classes of browner people (Koreans aren't racist; they hate all foreigners equally). Not to mention the Indians and Pakistanis and Mid-Easterners, who all live in Asia but aren't considered "Asian" in America. It's extremely sloppy terminology, to say the least.

There is no such thing as "Asian". You should be specific. From personal experience, there are quite a few Chinese who got very upset when once I mentioned that Vietnamese and Thais would all be considered "Asian" in America. They were very upset to be compared at all to such obviously inferior beings from obviously inferior cultures.

Asian is a pretty sloppy term indeed. A Tamil guy called me Asian once... and I asked what about you? lol. He said "only you're Asian" :rolleyes:
Then again most Cantonese people call all caucasians as "鬼佬" so... I guess it depends on how much you know the other cultures. Those who aren't familiar with the sub-cultures use awfully vague terms.

As for some Chinese wanting to be called Asian makes me think of the ancient belief where China (中國, Middle Kingdom) was the centre of the Universe. It's just that they've claimed the continent.

[mind_wander]

This article (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) makes me feel disgusted how competitive and academically focused most Asians are. I'm Asian and I am actually starting to believe in the stereotype that Asians are naturally good at math and science (probably because I'm getting owned in my science (and to a lesser extent, math) classes because some of my Asian classmates are extremely smart). If I am a parent, I would never send my kids to those schools described in the article. I know I would seem like a racist for saying that if I'm not Asian. The worse part is that I'm a hypocrite since I'm good at math (though not as good as I want to be) and I'm Asian, but I can't stop myself from feeling that way. I apologize if I offended anyone. I'm obviously confused about my feelings. I'm sure some of you will find this insane (and that's alright) :), but if you're Asian, you might feel the same :).
You made a good point, actually I am Asian and kinda good at math. I am not superb, but enough to know whats the difference between multiply, divide, subtract, and add. Well, the education system from across the world is far more advance. Why? Stay competitive to get a job. What I don't like is other people comparing too their Asian kid or my Asian kid, who get what position. It really doesn't matter, in the end; its can you do the job and how fast can you do it?





mind_wander added to this post, 4 minutes and 13 seconds later...

This may be a bit off topic, but this seriously bugs me, the term "Asian". Asia is a huge continent. It includes many vastly different cultures. However, in the U.S./Canada "Asian" only means those of Chinese/Korean/Japanese descent. If you actually live in Asia, you'll realize that the huang-ren(yellow people) of East Asia look down upon the Malays - the Indonesians/Filipinos/Malaysians/etc. There's a huge amount of racism in Asia, particularly of the Chinese and Japanese against the "lower" classes of browner people (Koreans aren't racist; they hate all foreigners equally). Not to mention the Indians and Pakistanis and Mid-Easterners, who all live in Asia but aren't considered "Asian" in America. It's extremely sloppy terminology, to say the least.

There is no such thing as "Asian". You should be specific. From personal experience, there are quite a few Chinese who got very upset when once I mentioned that Vietnamese and Thais would all be considered "Asian" in America. They were very upset to be compared at all to such obviously inferior beings from obviously inferior cultures.
Oh sorry, thats why I posted up, Asian and Non-Asian; so if you are not sure, which Asia's nationality you are still felt welcome here. I don't disclose other non-Asians or Asians; truthfully, its an opened discussion. BTW, I am Chinese, but often times people mistaken me, for Japanese, Singaporean, Thailand, Malaysian, Korean, and FOB[alot]. Just my two cents.

[quentin]

Where are you from, Deicruxified?

I'm assuming the Philippines.....which because of its history is very different from other East Asian countries - it's very Catholic as opposed to Confucian/Buddhist for starters, and very Hispanic/American. I've enjoyed my visits down there -- the culture and people are very open, warm and friendly. I abhor Manila, however -- but love the provinces.

[thod]

Here in the UK the term "asian" is used to mean south asian. Those of indian, pakistani etc descent. I wouldnt associate it with east asians who are usualy called chinese. There are 2x billion plus people countries on the continent and they need different labels.

[mind_wander]

Here in the UK the term "asian" is used to mean south asian. Those of indian, pakistani etc descent. I wouldnt associate it with east asians who are usualy called chinese. There are 2x billion plus people countries on the continent and they need different labels.

Yeah, too bad it can't fit all that onto the Thread post. If there is enough room, I would. Apparently, it can't. Anyone may feel free to post :)

[deicruxified]

Where are you from, Deicruxified?

I'm assuming the Philippines.....which because of its history is very different from other East Asian countries - it's very Catholic as opposed to Confucian/Buddhist for starters, and very Hispanic/American. I've enjoyed my visits down there -- the culture and people are very open, warm and friendly. I abhor Manila, however -- but love the provinces.

yep you are right i'm from the philippines and you are right on most things :) i SO HATE manila as well and would exhaust my vl's to go to provinces.

[bubbles]

From my experience, some Pakistani and Indians think, "We're Asian too!" When most people here think of Asian, they usually think of East Asian. I think the term Asian should includes all Asians since that is how it is defined.

You made a good point, actually I am Asian and kinda good at math. I am not superb, but enough to know whats the difference between multiply, divide, subtract, and add. Well, the education system from across the world is far more advance. Why? Stay competitive to get a job. What I don't like is other people comparing too their Asian kid or my Asian kid, who get what position. It really doesn't matter, in the end; its can you do the job and how fast can you do it?

The scary thing is that some Asian parents would go mad over their kids' grades if they get even an A-, which I think is really sad. You're right; it's whether you can do the job that matters, not comparing your talents or grades, but unfortunately lots of Asian parents fail to see that.

[mind_wander]

From my experience, some Pakistani and Indians think, "We're Asian too!" When most people here think of Asian, they usually think of East Asian. I think the term Asian should includes all Asians since that is how it is defined.



The scary thing is that some Asian parents would go mad over their kids' grades if they get even an A-, which I think is really sad. You're right; it's whether you can do the job that matters, not comparing your talents or grades, but unfortunately lots of Asian parents fail to see that.

Yea, really sad isn't; I would cry for them, but I am an INTJ, so tear is all dried up. Let me go check, hmm, is it coming out? Nope, nothing, ok; just checking, no emotions.

[Jgib5328]

The thing that bothers me about Asians (I'm thinking of east Asians) is how much they put themselves into school. In Japan pretty much all the kids do is study and study until they go to college. I just disagree with that cultural aspect. I couldn't imagine a life where I was forced to study in pressure all of the time and not have much time to relax. My roommate who is Korean does NOTHING but study or run. It's disgusting because he is doing it in excess. It just bothers me that he goes beyond what is required, I respect hard work, but not when it's useless. My roommate has basically been brainwashed by his parents that he needs to study constantly or else he isn't going to do well in life. So all he does is study constantly and his GPA is still lower than mine.

Well that's my only beef with Asians. I'm not racist.

[AgentofGaming]

Don't forget we're not allowed to mention the class average.
Parental Reply: "Don't learn from lesser example, if they are low doesn't mean you have to be low."

[QUOTE=Jgib5328;46635]The thing that bothers me about Asians (I'm thinking of east Asians) is how much they put themselves into school. In Japan pretty much all the kids do is study and study until they go to college. I just disagree with that cultural aspect. I couldn't imagine a life where I was forced to study in pressure all of the time and not have much time to relax. My roommate who is Korean does NOTHING but study or run. It's disgusting because he is doing it in excess. It just bothers me that he goes beyond what is required, I respect hard work, but not when it's useless. My roommate has basically been brainwashed by his parents that he needs to study constantly or else he isn't going to do well in life. So all he does is study constantly and his GPA is still lower than mine.

Well that's my only beef with Asians. I'm not racist.

Agreed some of them are studyaholics. I still want a higher mark, but I have a laidback attitude. A a couple percents higher in average won't mean much to me anyways.

However you forgot about the other type of Chinese person. The kind that dyes their hair, and go out everynight to join huge groups for karoke and drinking. Which is quite the opposite.

[mind_wander]

The thing that bothers me about Asians (I'm thinking of east Asians) is how much they put themselves into school. In Japan pretty much all the kids do is study and study until they go to college. I just disagree with that cultural aspect. I couldn't imagine a life where I was forced to study in pressure all of the time and not have much time to relax. My roommate who is Korean does NOTHING but study or run. It's disgusting because he is doing it in excess. It just bothers me that he goes beyond what is required, I respect hard work, but not when it's useless. My roommate has basically been brainwashed by his parents that he needs to study constantly or else he isn't going to do well in life. So all he does is study constantly and his GPA is still lower than mine.

Well that's my only beef with Asians. I'm not racist.

Interesting, I've always thought I'm the only one who think this, too. Its not being racist at all. There is more things in life if Asians could choose differently, then yes; kinda sad, not everyone has other options. If there is a choice to do so, then most likely choose not to study too hard.

[bubbles]

Don't forget we're not allowed to mention the class average.
Parental Reply: "Don't learn from lesser example, if they are low doesn't mean you have to be low."



Agreed some of them are studyaholics. I still want a higher mark, but I have a laidback attitude. A a couple percents higher in average won't mean much to me anyways.

However you forgot about the other type of Chinese person. The kind that dyes their hair, and go out everynight to join huge groups for karoke and drinking. Which is quite the opposite.

I never talked to my parents about grades, much less the class average, but my parents never put a lot of pressure on me since they don't want me to become too rebellious.

I think working hard is a cultural thing. It's a vicious cycle: they work hard; everyone else works hard to compete; then they get their kids to work hard; and everyone else works hard to compete and so on. And everyone is miserable. That seems to be the case in Asian countries (and, to a lesser extent, the United States). I heard that they get more holidays and work fewer hours in Europe and they get siestas.

[Jgib5328]

However you forgot about the other type of Chinese person. The kind that dyes their hair, and go out everynight to join huge groups for karoke and drinking. Which is quite the opposite.

Yeah I did forget them. There is a group of 'cooler' Asians, who hang out and party a lot and they don't care that much about school.

[quentin]

In Taiwan we call'em tai-ke, which means Taiwanese homeboy/girl. There are lots more Asian rednecks than you realize. Betel-nut chewing, wifebeater and flip flop wearing, psuedo-gangstas with buzz cut hair, puffing Long Life cigarettes and swigging GaoLiang/Whisby ('energy' drinks that are a mixture of a baker's dozen of toxic substances - whiskey and methamphetamines - half of them illegal in North America. Very popular with construction workers and truck drivers.) Behind them dragging their 20 lb. underweight tai-mei in the latest Helly Kitty as trampy slut fashion, dyed hair and an overdose of eyeshadow, pants slung low and loose enough so that you can see their plumber's ass-crack 'sexily' showing.

[AgentofGaming]

I never talked to my parents about grades, much less the class average, but my parents never put a lot of pressure on me since they don't want me to become too rebellious.

I think working hard is a cultural thing. It's a vicious cycle: they work hard; everyone else works hard to compete; then they get their kids to work hard; and everyone else works hard to compete and so on. And everyone is miserable. That seems to be the case in Asian countries (and, to a lesser extent, the United States). I heard that they get more holidays and work fewer hours in Europe and they get siestas.

Oh that's fortunate for you, most parents tend to ask for the report card. There's also the teachers who want to interview the parents and all that.
I tried being rebellious before, all I need to say is that I was brutally subdued.

I think work ethic is embedded into the culture. In terms of work difference in countries perhaps it is a trade between productivity and stress. However high stress causes illness which decreases productivity.

[mind_wander]

Oh that's fortunate for you, most parents tend to ask for the report card. There's also the teachers who want to interview the parents and all that.
I tried being rebellious before, all I need to say is that I was brutally subdued.

I think work ethic is embedded into the culture. In terms of work difference in countries perhaps it is a trade between productivity and stress. However high stress causes illness which decreases productivity.

You kinda forgot, the non-disclosure about Asian suicides because of high stress in getting high scores in school or other related issues at home; Sad :(

[l345l]

as an asian-caucasian living in europe, i've experienced school in an asian (homogeneous) environment and a european international environment. i've recognized many, many differences and seen the advantages of being in an integrated, international community.

my question is, why is there a tendency for asians to strive to achieve academic success ?

my cousins in japan attend regular school, then "cram school" - evening/weekend/vacation classes that supposedly help with entrance exams in university.

take a country like china. a great population, a limited number of desirable jobs. there is a lot of competition to face, and excellent academic skills will push you ahead. this kind of mentality is very much prevalent in many asian cultures.

and yes, there is a lot of stress and an overwhelming amount of pressure to do well, unfortunately causing physical and mental illness and suicide.

[mind_wander]

as an asian-caucasian living in europe, i've experienced school in an asian (homogeneous) environment and a european international environment. i've recognized many, many differences and seen the advantages of being in an integrated, international community.

my question is, why is there a tendency for asians to strive to achieve academic success ?

my cousins in japan attend regular school, then "cram school" - evening/weekend/vacation classes that supposedly help with entrance exams in university.

take a country like china. a great population, a limited number of desirable jobs. there is a lot of competition to face, and excellent academic skills will push you ahead. this kind of mentality is very much prevalent in many asian cultures.

and yes, there is a lot of stress and an overwhelming amount of pressure to do well, unfortunately causing physical and mental illness and suicide.

Great question, most parents just want what's best for their kids. Too me its considered more torture than anything. At least they got the competitiveness correct? If you want to get a good job, then you must work hard; this is a common Asian mentality, for most. For me, you still need to work hard, but how to do a great job? You need a combination of both, not just work hard. Hard work can be anything, like BS at work, how to get away from doing alot of work and let others do it or the traditional just do it attitude. The real corporate world is ugly by getting a high education means having a nice job or is it? If everyone is on the same level, then this would also mean another round of process and elimination :(

[l345l]

Great question, most parents just want what's best for their kids. Too me its considered more torture than anything. At least they got the competitiveness correct? If you want to get a good job, then you must work hard; this is a common Asian mentality, for most. (

definately agree.

taking the idea of "cram school":

1. X percent of students attend cram school because of parental pressure.

2a. Y percent of students attend cram school because of their own interests to achieve academic success.
b. but, most students strive to achieve success because of the following reasons: observe the life of academic/successful parents and want to do alike, observe studious peers and want to do alike, pressured by society to strive to achieve a "good student" image.

3. Z percent of students, who do not attend cram school, for the following reasons: no interests in academics, cannot afford to attend, too many extra-curriculars, no desire to attend, etc.


so, first there was school. a place to learn. a place to get an education.

then that got competitive, and the most competitive wanted to ensure that they would be ahead and stay ahead

then there was "cram school".

[Allie]

my question is, why is there a tendency for asians to strive to achieve academic success ?


From my experience and observation, here are the reasons that I could think of:

1. We always admired and respected those who are educated. This goes as far back as ancient times. For example, in feudal society, only the rich and powerful were in the enviable position to provide education for their children. The few from the lower class who were geniuses, had a better chance at getting an education, and making something of themselves, other than farming. Those few geniuses were considered "celebrities" in their home towns, and were quite sought after as prospective grooms (the role of females were to stay home and help with house chores). Not only were they admired and respected, but it also reflected upon their families. It brings honor and respectability to their parents and extended family. Being educated is not just an image, but it also literally means being intelligent/intellectual vs. simple-minded/thoughtless. So, being "educated" or "uneducated" is an indicator of having class (literally as well as related to manners/behavior) or lack thereof, as a result. There are exceptions, but the vast majority do prove to be educated or not based on their educational background.

2. In modern day, it's a cumulation of both, being educated as well as practically being competitive in the job market.

3. Parents pushed their children to excel academically at a young age, and today, used the excuse of job prospects as one of the main reasons for academic excellence because children do not understand, nor care yet, about the concepts of "being educated" or "respect". Money and material motivations are more concrete and to the point, until later when they sort of merge model behavior and social expectations with being part of an educated individual/family.

4. Bottom line is social status and family honor. Being educated equals intelligence...equals good behavior/manners...equals better job titles/better pay...equals respect, leading to higher social standing and ultimately, family honor.

To me, this kind of brings perspectives to those times when our parents gloat about our good grades.....or, when they stressed good manners when socializing, or they'll be criticized as an "uneducated" bunch of hicks.